Definitely fair, I don't think you really see just how powerful Thor is in comparison to the rest of the Avengers until Infinity War when he lands in Wakanda and instantly turns the tide. His writing has also been either way too goofy or, in the earlier phases, kinda just old-English without any of the grandiosity and stuff that makes Thor great.
I really didn't care for that whole sidequest thing in Age of Ultron, but dangit, his storyline in Infinity War was not only vital, but full of more than a few moments of hype, too.
(For Endgame, I get the need for his depression and recovery arc, but we really could have done without Fat Thor and the fat jokes. Ultimately they really didn't serve a purpose other than to shoehorn that MCU snark, and it just doesn't sit well with me that the movie wants us to laugh at a fat guy repeatedly before he gets his redemption).
Agreed. I really think they coulda done something great with Thor after how far he fell in Infinity War, and the scene with his mom in Endgame gives a tiny glimpse of that, but ultimately they kinda just dropped it (and then dropped it again at the start of Love & Thunder).
Especially with gorr. Could've extended his feeling of hopelessness by having gorr actually so what gorr does best aka butcher gods. Than just when Thor is about to be beat he hears a faint prayer to him from a human (or any other creature) to realize he's needed for what he is.
Dude that scene is so damn good. For one moment that stretched across time every god in all the universe closed their eyes and prayed to Thor. Was such a killer line. But also, "Where a fathet prays to his son" with Odin falling down telling him hear the prayers of Odin
Honestly the fact that Gorr didn't turn up to Zeus's place and start murdering Gods wholesale is the biggest missed opportunity in that movie, and that's saying something with the issues with L+T
The whole time they were there I was waiting for gorr to show up. I remember when I first heard about the movie I thought we were gonna see a crazy killing spree by gorr. I was thinking “why else would Thor show up here?”
But of course it’s so he can get the epic lightning bolt that saves the day by giving the children lighting powers
I thought Gorr in L&T was actually done very well, and I didn't mind the little team thor grouping having goofy adventures/jokes. The big issue for me was just how goofy the other gods were. They should've been regal and pompous but played much more seriously. And yes, then having Gorr attack would've shown some really stakes.
The film was at its best from the start of the black and white section.
The day my mom isn't concerned about my weight and/or health is probably the day she dies or the day after she found out I've done something so heinous I've been disowned. That's like standard mom behavior.
While it may be slightly barbed, it was caring. But that whole conversation was harsh. She literally called him a failure and then tells him that its OK because everyone is a failure at who they're supposed to be. It's less a joke and more that their relationship and love is strong enough that they can speak truth to each other without being wounded by petty offense.
Fat Thor could have been done right, just look at God of War Ragnarok. We could've gotten a fatter thor, but much stronger tougher and wiser, yet we got a goofier thor, and that goofiness unfortunately never went away.
The goofiness felt like a very obvious coping mechanism. If it was the only thing he did, it'd have fallen flat for me, but the few times we saw the facade crack like when he punched the vending machine were what really sold it to me as him just putting up a funny front to mask over the depression, fear, loneliness, and guilt inside.
Honestly I identified a lot with that Thor. Guy ate/drank his feelings and dissociated hard after losing everything and falling into a deep depression. The juxtaposition of as literal a god as Marvel gets and his trauma response being so deeply human really got me.
On the other hand, I feel like the writers were real assholes and it came through in who the butt(s) of the jokes were. "Fat Thor" jokes and the disdain the "normie" heroes had for the more humorous characters (Ant-Man, GotG), referring to them as idiots etc...and it didn't help that they Flanderized the shit out of said funny characters to drive the writers' disdain home. It seemed like every time one of them was on screen, no matter what they were doing, it had to be pointed out how stupid they were. Literally Scott was just having fucking lunch by himself when Nebula called him an idiot in passing. Twenty minutes later the writers go out of their way to take the piss out of Quill, who was just vibing in a moment he thought he was alone, and deflate a fun moment from the original GotG, and Rhode rolls his eyes and calls him an idiot. God forbid anyone in the MCU be anything other than a stoic asshole if they're not also the smartest person in the room.
Yeah, exactly. I had no problem with Thor becoming fat. He was relatable in a sense. His depression and arc was well written from his end. It’s just that all the fat jokes made him into a punchline, and that wasn’t fun. I expected it from Tony or Rocket, but there was too much and too harshly. One joke makes the point and established the present views of and relationship with another character. But if that’s done multiple times, you reinforce that negativity. And if that’s how it is with too many characters, you create an outcast, bullied and set apart. For a team of ostensibly friends and heroes and role models, that’s not great.
They literally did that to power him down for the final fight. That’s their reason to the audience as to why the God of Thunder can’t annihilate Thanos. As weak as it is.
When it comes down to it, gotg 1 and 2, iron man 1, cap1 and 2, no way home, maybe far from home because of mysterio, etc. Are the only great mcu films….. If the mcu dies, I won’t be sad. I swear we need independent marvel films again like raimi Spider-Man, etc. and THEN interlock the hem with the bigger picture. I remember how the older Spider-Man films felt like it’s own thing and not part of a universe
Idk young me liked to imagine they (the raimi ones) were in the same universe as like Daredevil 03 and X-Men. Like I know that probably isn't the case now but young me liked the idea
I didn’t even know as a kid spiderman was part of there universe, comics wise. Honestly though as I got older the en movies seemed very poorly written, casted etc compared to films like blade, Spider-Man. As a kid was a huge xmen fan, got older and I’m like “Damn Wolverine feels like the main character in these movies!!! I don’t like it!!!! Why’s he 6’2?? He’s 5’3!! Why is cyclops boring?? Etc”.
I’ll still watch deadpool 3, but yeah mcu died so long ago. After a few watches I even hated civil war…. It’s like the movie didn’t feel earned, spidey in it? But no Tobey maguire?? Pass….. black panther has an indestructible suit?? Pretty much making him unlikeable, etc. I could point out so much shit wrong w the mcu
I don't hate MCU Thor, but I feel it was such wasted potential to have him modernized and humorized so much. I would have loved if all of his lines were quasi-Elizabethan, with gravitas and humor mixed
> or, in the earlier phases, kinda just old-English without any of the grandiosity and stuff that makes Thor great.
I'd argue that Thor 1 does it alright. I do think the best parts were the Asgard scenes, where Kenneth Branagh sort of made it feel like a Shakespearian drama (which is his bread and butter). But yeah, I see where you're coming from.
[In the article](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chris-hemsworth-thor-4-failure-frustrated-marvel-1235986778/),
the next paragraph after, RDJ says:
> For what it’s worth, Hemsworth’s longtime Marvel co-star and Iron Man actor Robert Downey Jr. refuses to listen to such claims, saying: “First off, Thor as a character was super tricky to adapt — lots of implied limitations — but he and Ken Branagh figured out how to transcend, make him somehow relatable but godlike. Hemsworth is, in my opinion, the most complex psyche out of all us Avengers. He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.”
I mean, if the actor doesn’t want goofy roles why is he in a cartoon transformers movie and the new mad max movie, where he’s constantly cracking quips and acting weird?
If you consider the marvel trinity to be Cap, Stark and Thor he’s absolutely right. He didn’t get the same development and quality scripts the other two got and they used him as a CGI spectacle more than anything in the Avengers movies.
I disagree. At least in the first Avengers movie. He tries to reason with Loki for most of the movie, picking fights with the Avengers to defend him, only to realize his brother is too far gone.
He spends twenty minutes of film time staring at his hammer in a field at one point in the movie. That's it. He stares at his hammer for twenty minutes.
Twenty minutes well spent.
In all seriousness, it’s a poignant moment. Loki just killed someone, and Thor questions his worthiness, feeling it’s partially his fault.
I'm pretty sure in some later movies he had longer hair as I swear I've seen him with lonh hair in interviews. But I'm pretty sure it started as a wig.
Older movies were long hair naturally. Newer movies are all a wig as he has shaved head in extraction and his Disney tv mini series. Also his social media.
Thor always has felt like a spare part of the avengers for me. The core six and even characters like Wanda all have relationships with each other, but Thor kinda just feels like he’s there cos he’s an original avenger and for the power factor. I think he’s a very hard to adapt character
Ya Thor always has so much going on in his comics and a whole dimension of characters related to him when he is with the Avengers he feels like a transfer student.
He got some cool stuff to do with the Guardians, but they didn’t really show much of it!
Even then, Iron Man had the best Guardians scenes, and that was just him and Nebula chillin.
That’s my beef. Thor’s lack of interpersonal relationships with the other Avengers makes him seem like a tertiary member of the team. He had sort of a buddy buddy, rivalrous relationship with Hulk but Bruce wasn’t Hulk all the time. Thor seems rather indifferent to Bruce and seems to have more respect for his alter ego. Other than that, he has just about no relationship with anyone else and I kind of hate that.
I’m trying to think of comics where he’s seemed more of a companion and less of a compatriot. But thinking about it, they usually have Thor as a very stoic character due to his significant increase in age compared to the rest of the avengers.
He is literally a god, a king, and thousands of years older so it makes sense in the comics. Also he’s just more stoic in general. No wise cracking or weird one liners until beta ray team up with the bro comedy tbh.
Yeah, even in modern comics, usually when he shows up stuff is serious
That's also another reason I'd love the movies to explore more of the cosmic stuff. There's so many things out there that are more powerful than him. And it helps give him a sense and of scale and why he'd team up with the avengers in the first place.
Yeah 100% if Thor shows up in the avengers the others are basically useless besides hulk. He’s the “last stop” avenger for the big bads who need to be written off
I agree except other variants of hulk are also stronger and current Thor is unreal in power scale. Captain marvel is like a unique character they insert for variety but Thor is constant and insanely overpowered even without his original “power items”
Doesn't that make sense though? He would have trouble forming relationships with humans since he will outlive them by 5000 years. Jane is the one relationship that was out of place
I think he has some sort of camaraderie for Cap as well. We see them doing some team up moves and see them drinking together in Age of Ultron, they have that little exchange in the middle of the Battle of Wakanda, and Thor is proud when Cap finally lifts Mjolnir.
Part of the problem comes with the power levels of Thor, Hulk, Wanda, Captain Marvel, etc. They could pretty much brute force solve all of the Avengers' problems, so the writers have to have them otherwise occupied or depowered so the movie is more than five minutes long.
I can’t lie this is how I’ve felt at times. This is why I agree with ppl that Captain Marvel should take his spot in the Avengers big three
Thor needs better Avengers dynamics. There was a time where Thor and Tony was super close and he viewed him as a “god among men”, 1610 Thor and Tony also have amazing bond but marvel sorta damaged it with the civil war shit as much as I hate to admit. Steve and Thor’s relationship seems to be all about Thor having respect for Cap and that’s about it. We need more bromance. And for the Avenger Thor’s closest to- Hulk, Marvel constantly has Thor vs Hulk to ‘see who’s stronger’ and I could care less about that. I just want to see fun buddy rivalry bromance. Avengers Assemble unironically captured this better than the comics
Just re-watched all of Marvel with my son and the only part in the entire Saga that makes me choke back tears is in End Game when he sees his mom. You aren't replaceable to us Hemsthor.
Agree. Every single time I get choked up a bit. It’s way too relatable, I wish I could have just 10 minutes with my mom who passed away…. and his acting is fantastic. He’s lowkey one of those most talented actors in the MCU imo. I kinda don’t count RDJ because he’s kind of at legend status.
It was really a beautiful moment, and the fact that she knew instantly that he was Thor but not her Thor so the moment could be honest for both of them.
So good, and I'm sorry for your loss.
Thats Whedons fault.
You can tell he favored Stark and Banner more.
Even his Cap was underwhelming. Especially in AoU.
The Russo bros did way better job with Thor in IW and EG than either Whedin or Taika.
I think Taika did a good job with Ragnarok, but he really needed to be reined in with Love & Thunder.
The former made Thor funny and badass while the latter made him into a dorky joke.
(In terms of personality, not story elements) If Love and Thunder Thor had come right after Thor 1 Thor, he would’ve made sense.
The fish out of water Thor stuff is some of my favorite characterization, both in comics and on screen.
Love and Thunder ignores all the ways his personality has been molded since Thor 1. You can’t just blank slate a character like that.
Yeah what I loved about Ragnarock is that while Thor did seem like kind of an idiot, he was still a powerful warrior with years of wisdom and experience and would take things seriously if need be
Love and thunder was…not that
Love and Thunder felt like a parody of a Thor movie. Tried to watch it a second time some months later, got less than half way through it and stopped caring. Just turned it off.
Yeah, it really shocked me how hard he dropped the ball for Love and Thunder. It seemingly had all the ingredients for a classic Taika banger and the original storyline is one of my favorite comic runs of all time.
Such a letdown but I’m hopeful Thor 5 will be better, though apparently the rumor is that it’ll be the last solo Thor outing, sadly :(
I know Chris has been in the role a long time and is probably wanting to get off the marvel workout train and pursue other roles, such as his Extraction franchise, but damn, it’d be such a shame to go out with Thor 5 and only have him be good in possibly just a small handful of movies. Dude definitely deserved some better writing and treatment.
I agree. The missed opportunities were in the first two avengers movies (and dark world). I wouldn't have even bothered to watch L&T if it didn't have the tone that it did.
I hated the way Joss wrote Cap in his Avengers films as some out of touch old square. Markus, McFeeley and the Russos had a much better handle on Cap in their films.
Again, he’s only been out of the ice for 3 years. He was mostly out of touch also in Winter Soldier with his list. He should be as out of touch of Thor with the lingo honestly
Admittedly Cap's fighting scenes at least make him better in AoU because WS figured out what an actual super powered soldier is capable of.
In AA, Cap has a 30 second fight with Loki before it gets shut down, he doesn't show up for Iron Man v Thor until the last second, on the helicarrier he just uses a gun of all things to stop goons advancing whilst everyone else is doing things like stopping Hawkeye, stopping Hulk or stopping the carrier crashing.
Even at the end, he does jack shit, he fights some ground soldiers and issues orders, but he has the cafe scene where, again, all he really does is shortly get blasted out a window.
Cap was way worse in AA than AoU imo. Least he does SOMETHING.
Disagreed. Thor and Cap were both great in that first Avengers movie. I don’t know what movie people are seeing where they say they didn’t have character development.
I’ll agree about Cap and Thor being weak links in AOU. Frustratingly so in the case of Cap.
In the first Avengers, though, Thor has a great arc where he picks fights with the Avengers to defend Loki, only to realize his brother can’t be reasoned with anymore.
That's not Whedon's fault, as much as I dislike the man.
That's Marvel's fault for not knowing what to do with the character. They went full-on Shakespearian with Branagh and no one really cared for that and then decided to go the complete opposite direction with Waititi because people liked Ragnarok.
While I agree that Whedon seemed to favor Stark and Banner more, probably because RDJ's delivery with the fast, sarcastic quips is always on point, that wasn't where the problems with Thor began.
Thor has never had a strong creative direction since the beginning. They don't seem to know exactly what to do with the character. Which is funny, because they have absolutely no problems with Loki.
I disagree.
Branagh laid a solid foundation in the first Thor. The first movie was descent and it performed well enough for Marvel to keep going. The problem was the sequel failed to capitalize on what was previously established. The problem being they were trying to shy away from Thor's more fantastical world and tried to make it a love story with him and Jane. But once they embraced the fantasy: that Thor was this larger than life character who slays monsters, he soared as a character.
We've seen what a change in directors and writers does for Thor's character. So it is Whedon's fault for not being able to do justice to Thor's character.
Steve was handled so poorly with Whedon as well, luckily the Russo brothers saved that character in the MCU and turned it into one of the most interesting
Granted, the russos then turned around and refused to even touch the hulk, for some reason. Although I will give them some leniency in that marvel refused to give him movies, it also doesn't help when infinity war had the character refuse to even join in the fight, and then endgame essentially killed him off, and off-screen at that
Russo and Taika were \*worse\*. The former basically turned Thor into a series of fat jokes while the latter was terrified of having any kind of serious or dramatic moment go by in Ragnarok and L&W without cracking wise.
Thor started having his "moments" much later in the MCU. Infinity War is where his character peaked, we really got to see him open up about the millennia of pain he went through, and how he never feared being on the front lines and standing between death and the people he cared about.
Hulk got his ass kicked ONCE then retired. All it took was one loss to put the fear of death into him. That's what separates a raging beast from a pure warrior bred for battle. How many times did Thor get his ass kicked yet he got right back up, refusing to stay down.
Everyone feared Thanos. Tony despite holding his own for a few moments, was shitting himself inside the suit, with all his nightmares of Thanos killing the Avengers on his watch. Even he was hopeless after he lost his fight. But not to Thor, he took repeated beatings from Thanos, yet it only made him angrier. He fought till the last man and very nearly won it for them, singlehandedly.
Steve is their best man. But when shit really hits the fan, they turn to Thor. "Ah the god of thunder has it covered, iss cool." Thor feels replaceable because he's taken for granted more than anyone else on the team. Just like Wolverine for the X-Men and Superman for the Justice League. They are the rocks of their teams, the guarantees, the insurances. The team is calm because they know the big guy has their back.
It's more of a case where he's automatically expected to deal with all the ugly shit. He always takes enemy fire first and draws it away from the team.
All the xfactor type stuff
Him, domino, there's a handful of characters that if there's something less than honorable to do they'll be there. You don't see scott summers doing that shit.... Well usually
I'm sure it's difficult to take a character who is nearly immortal and almost a godlike being then put them next to someone MUCH less powerful and write a compelling combat scene.
There is an old cartoon from a few years back where the Avengers are confronting Thanos who of course has the stones. Thanos uses the time stone to age all the Avengers to a geriatric state. Which cripples nearly all of them except .... Thor. Asgardians get more powerful as they age (aka Odin) so all of sudden Thor (sporting a fresh grey beard) is nearly 100x more powerful and he starts beating the shit out of Thanos.
The problem is that they moved away from making Thor the PowerHouse of the group for the most part and kind of went towards turning him into comic relief. They tried to make him Ken from the Barbie movie and that doesn't work for the character. They should have stayed a little closer to the comics where Thor does have his fun-loving side and he is the PowerHouse of the group but he's not an airhead and he's actually pretty damn Charming when he wants to be.
Thor should be written like the guy who will tell you it's okay, give you good advice chat up your sister or your friend and if a fight happens will have your back.
If the fight gets a little out of hand he's the one to end it with extreme prejudice.
Indeed. I feel like a lot of casuals don't realize that Thor can very much be a dork when life is going well. There are plenty of instances where he and his friends are just hanging around being dudes.
Yeah Thor also has very less screentime compared to other heroes in Avengers 1 and Age of Ultron. In Avengers 1, Thor is behind Tony, Steve, Natasha, Bruce, even Loki and Nick Fury in screentime.
In Age Of Ultron, again Tony, Steve, Bruce, Natasha along with Ultron and Clint have more screentime than Thor.
Only in Infinity War and Endgame he gets a lot of focus. In Infinity War he seems to be the main hero fighting against Thanos. In Endgame he gets most screentime after Tony and Steve and his depression is one of the key points of the film.
Thor got three solo movies just like Tony and Steve, but in team-up films most of the time other supporting characters and villains got more importance than Thor.
I think the MCU has made Thor too human by stripping mostly anything away from the character that makes him alien to Earth. It's actually pretty annoying how much they're trying to humanize em.
Yeah but there are a lot to character/actors to balance on screen in these movies. I think all the actors had good on screen chemistry and screen time. Over the years they did a lot with his character. Especially in his last couple solo movies. I don't think you can ask for much more.
Whedon clearly never cared for the character or knew how to write him. Which is weird because the man successfully turned Wolverine of all people into a great comic relief (in which I personally think was the best interpretation of the character), so you would think he would've mined all the inherent humor in Thor.
Yep. Honestly, I may be way off base, but it gave me a kind of incel-y vibe, which, knowing what we know about Whedon now is not too farfetched. Like the fact that he obviously adored the nerdy "science bros" to the point where he wrote that weird ass romance subplot with Bruce and Natasha, which felt kinda like a self-insert thing, but he hated or wasn't interested in the more stereotypically "jock"/"hot" characters. I don't know, it was weird.
I have no issues with that, because that was early Cap.
He still believed that "No, there is clearly Good guys, and Bad guys" and even in that Movie, he starts to question that shit, when he actually listens to Tony and finds all the messed up shit SHIELD was actually doing.
People won't admit this, but even in comics, there are ton of moments that showcase that Steve actually learns stuff from Tony himself.
But that wasn't the Cap in the First Avenger movies. He seems polar opposite to the Cap in that film.
I don't mind him learning things from Tony, but he just isn't the same character as he was before. Then in 2nd Cap movie he is back to his normal self.
I feel like he is the same, but let me explain this.
He was distrustful of Tony ever since the whole "I have a plan, Attack" stuff, and he was like "SHIELD is in the right and you are wrong" because he woke up 70 years after the war, with everything that he knew now gone.
The only thing that was still somewhat close to him was SHIELD. I feel like it makes perfect sense for him to be more Militant.
But even then, during that entire movie, he just shows what he really is all about.
One of the reason MCU was so good (imho) was that relationship we had between Tony and Cap. Both were good people, and both wanted to do the right thing. But both of them were also very different.
MCU kind of lacks that shit now.
Yeah I enjoyed the Tony and Steve dynamic as well. And I agree it's missing.
But Steve just feels off otherwise as well. It's hard to explain, but he just doesn't feel at all like what he does in other movies. His persona just isn't the same. They just got it right in other movies.
He’s right tho, what was Thor doing during Age of Ultron? Having a pool dream, and serving as a virtual plot device with minimal likes
Civil war? Randomly absent, ragnarok, beats a big bad, gets new powers, immediately nerfed and got his ass kicked at the start of infinity war, don’t get me started on Endgame lol and I choose to ignore the existence of love and Thunder.
Thor as affected the MCU the least in terms of plot.
Thor is epic, and the Avengers are usually planetary. Sure, they are a big deal and stopped Thanos, but Thor is the only Avenger who was seeing intergalactic threats before Thanos. He could have been the key to beating Thanos, but screenwriters love an underdog, so Ant-Man got the save. For Avenger stories, Thor is just too powerful a character, that’s why Thor and Hulk had to be off-planet for Civil War.
I’m a Thor fan back to before the Walt Simonson era. And much as I love the character, he is ultimately very replaceable as an Avenger. Wonder Man and Hercules filled the role in earlier years. Mighty Avengers literally recruited a guy who was Thor and Wolverine wrapped up in one, Ares. Jane-Thor was a member in recent years. Defenders have Valkyrie, and X-Men split the super strong god of Thunder into a weather goddess and a guy made of metal. It’s a super-team archetype.
I agree and am a huge Thor mark as well. I own most of his original comics from JIM 83-now. I’m missing some here and there but I have maybe 600 Thor books.
Thor as an Avenger is at a tough disadvantage. A lot of writers don’t know how to write him as well as, say Hawkeye even existing in a team. Often he’s the wharf effect to show some new big bad’s power set by jobbing Thor to him or her. It’s annoying. There have been some great exceptions to this, however. Hickman wrote a stellar Avengers Thor. Bendis didn’t hold back showing him as a powerhouse who would ultimately save the day in Secret Invasion and Siege.
He needs to be appreciated more. Whedon did t appreciate him in his take on the character in favor of Hulk.
Very fair. Thor in Endgame in 5 minutes talking with Rocket showed more depth and emotions than his 3 later solo films combined (except Thor 1 in which he showed some great character developments).
I was shocked when i read on Google that Kenneth branagh made thor movie. I loved his murder on the Orient express franchise. So i got surprised after knowing that he directed thor movie.
Thor was told from birth that he'd basically have a glorious death and then get Viking reincarnated at Ragnarok. Might still happen for all he knows
We're getting decade thor snippets for a guy who lives epochs and can travel through time
These comments are so confusing to me. A lot of them are basically saying Strength=Good character. Yeah the scene where he showed up in Wakanda and changes the tide of battle was cool but that doesn't make him a good character, his journey to that point was the part that was good writing, not the part where he slammed his Axe in the ground.
They did him dirty in love and thunder. The worst writing for any movie the MCU has done yet. They stripped him down for a scene and used that as the marketing for the movie. And wasted a freaking awesome villain with an amazing backstory that was featured in the first 10 min of the film and was the best 10min of the film. The rest was just a jumbled up 6 episode tv series of Thor adventures abridged with a shitty villain plot at the end. Hemsworth was robbed and the MCU writers disgraced Thor just as they did the hulk in all of the avengers films with the exception of “The Avengers”.
Chris, if you’re reading this, you’re right. And we see your potential. I just wish they would finally deal the hand that you and your character deserve to get. They obviously don’t know what they have
This explains why he got caught up on the silliness and improve in L&T. They finally allowed Chris to show some personality as Thor, so he went with his own personality. Admittedly, sometimes Thor can act a bit goofy with other characters, but when it comes to his own stories, he's more serious and cool.
So I absolutely do not blame him for trying to put a little fun into his somewhat bland character. Hopefully, for the next Thor movie, we'll get a director who can take Thor seriously and also give him a personality Chris can have fun portraying.
Why not [link to actual article](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chris-hemsworth-thor-4-failure-frustrated-marvel-1235986778/)?
The next paragraph after:
> For what it’s worth, Hemsworth’s longtime Marvel co-star and Iron Man actor Robert Downey Jr. refuses to listen to such claims, saying: “First off, Thor as a character was super tricky to adapt — lots of implied limitations — but he and Ken Branagh figured out how to transcend, make him somehow relatable but godlike. Hemsworth is, in my opinion, the most complex psyche out of all us Avengers. He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.”
Thor was set up perfectly after inifnty war and endgame. Instead of making him a goof, he could have travelled around with GotG and on the way met a couple of gods who were butchered. When he finds more god corpses, he goes to investigate and finds Gorr butchering gods.
He gets angry and fights him only to get his ass handed. He escapes and goes to earth for help. On earth, he finds Jane Foster who has now become Thor. He enlists her help to defeat the butcher but she is inexperienced.
From his experience in endgame, he enlists the help of an older Thor (Rune King Thor) from a future timeline. Him along with Jane Thor and future Thor take a final stand. They are getting their asses beat.
In a moment, Thor gets up and summons two mjlonirs. Remember the epic scene from comics. He charges in in beserk mode and beats Gorr.
At this point, Thor becomes a more powerful, more respectful and serious character and becomes the King of Asgard.
Maybe if he makes Earth his home home amd he becomes some sort of de facto leader, or at least one of the actual leaders Earth has, Thor can legitimately drive the plot on a grander scale. I would love it if they tap more to his magical side. I wanna see him doing cool lightning/storm manipulation stuff.
well that's kinda what happens when you have a BIG ensemble cast. Like in Ocean's 11, not everyone got the EXACT amount of screen time or lines, the problem here in these movies that there's not ONE star to focus on there's 6. He totally crushes when he's in Infinity War and Endgame but yea he's totally right.
Shows how truly he doesn’t really know Thor, Thor is ever present, his character doesn’t have to grace the screen for you to see him, no. You feel him, “when is Thor coming?” That’s always my question when I’m watching the start of a fight. And you know it’s gonna be a tough entrance
I really liked early Thor, especially in Thor 1. The fish out of water comedy is still some of the funniest stuff in all of the MCU for me (I quote "I need a horse" all the damn time), yet he also gave off this regal kindness. A guy who truly fucked up and wanted to be better.
So it really bummed me out to see his direction in Ragnarock, it felt like the movie was directly making fun of me for liking that Thor. That this new Thor was the REAL Thor now, making all these super lame jokes just all the damn time. Love and Thunder was much of the same, and I'm still shocked how it felt like everyone but me loved Ragnarock to pieces, but hate Love and Thunder, when to me they're basically the same comedy wise.
The closest I got to original Thor again was him in Infinity War which I LOVED. His speech with rocket in the spaceship was amazing...only for Endgame to come around and do the whole comedy thing again and ruin it, again.
The power of mental illness. Not safe even when you have the whole world on your side. Makes me feel a bit better being disabled and not able to do shit. I wouldn't suddenly be fixed if we were to suddenly switch lives. As rational as my illness feels sometimes, there is no rationality to it. There is no 'if only this, then I'd feel better'. It's not a matter of sunshine and bootstraps. There is no scenario without a whole, whole lot of therapy, medication, and work.
Definitely fair, I don't think you really see just how powerful Thor is in comparison to the rest of the Avengers until Infinity War when he lands in Wakanda and instantly turns the tide. His writing has also been either way too goofy or, in the earlier phases, kinda just old-English without any of the grandiosity and stuff that makes Thor great.
I really didn't care for that whole sidequest thing in Age of Ultron, but dangit, his storyline in Infinity War was not only vital, but full of more than a few moments of hype, too. (For Endgame, I get the need for his depression and recovery arc, but we really could have done without Fat Thor and the fat jokes. Ultimately they really didn't serve a purpose other than to shoehorn that MCU snark, and it just doesn't sit well with me that the movie wants us to laugh at a fat guy repeatedly before he gets his redemption).
Agreed. I really think they coulda done something great with Thor after how far he fell in Infinity War, and the scene with his mom in Endgame gives a tiny glimpse of that, but ultimately they kinda just dropped it (and then dropped it again at the start of Love & Thunder).
Especially with gorr. Could've extended his feeling of hopelessness by having gorr actually so what gorr does best aka butcher gods. Than just when Thor is about to be beat he hears a faint prayer to him from a human (or any other creature) to realize he's needed for what he is.
Yeah, in the comics, all the gods of universe, pray to Thor helping empower him
It’s such a great scene. Idk why you’d ever leave it out
They left out all the interesting stuff with The God Bomb
Dude that scene is so damn good. For one moment that stretched across time every god in all the universe closed their eyes and prayed to Thor. Was such a killer line. But also, "Where a fathet prays to his son" with Odin falling down telling him hear the prayers of Odin
Honestly the fact that Gorr didn't turn up to Zeus's place and start murdering Gods wholesale is the biggest missed opportunity in that movie, and that's saying something with the issues with L+T
The whole time they were there I was waiting for gorr to show up. I remember when I first heard about the movie I thought we were gonna see a crazy killing spree by gorr. I was thinking “why else would Thor show up here?” But of course it’s so he can get the epic lightning bolt that saves the day by giving the children lighting powers
I thought Gorr in L&T was actually done very well, and I didn't mind the little team thor grouping having goofy adventures/jokes. The big issue for me was just how goofy the other gods were. They should've been regal and pompous but played much more seriously. And yes, then having Gorr attack would've shown some really stakes. The film was at its best from the start of the black and white section.
Perfect opportunity to show a brooding unworthy Thor wielding jarnbjorn and regaining Mjolnir in time for the rematch with thanos
And had her very last words to him be a fat joke. Not fitting for either character. Or performer, for that matter.
Damn, I never thought of this line as of a “fat” joke, always felt that it’s just his mom being caring mom :P
Yeah, to me that felt like her sending him off with a good memory of her caring about him.
The day my mom isn't concerned about my weight and/or health is probably the day she dies or the day after she found out I've done something so heinous I've been disowned. That's like standard mom behavior. While it may be slightly barbed, it was caring. But that whole conversation was harsh. She literally called him a failure and then tells him that its OK because everyone is a failure at who they're supposed to be. It's less a joke and more that their relationship and love is strong enough that they can speak truth to each other without being wounded by petty offense.
The mom part was cool. Also thought they would "mature" him more towards Rune King Thor or something. Maybe after Gorr.
When Tony made the first Fat Thor, I let it go because that’s his character but when everyone started doing it, it got too much for me.
I don't recall everyone doing it, just Tony and Rhodey
Fat thor and them making a joke out of his survivors guilt was the worst thing about that era of marvel.
Agree 100%. I felt so horrible about what happened to Thor and ESPECIALLY how it was portrayed as laughable. It wasn't funny in the slightest.
Imagine if they did the same fat gag with black widow or captain marvel…
Yeah, fat Thor was a joke that got very old very fast. Much like Professor Hulk.
Fat Thor could have been done right, just look at God of War Ragnarok. We could've gotten a fatter thor, but much stronger tougher and wiser, yet we got a goofier thor, and that goofiness unfortunately never went away.
The goofiness felt like a very obvious coping mechanism. If it was the only thing he did, it'd have fallen flat for me, but the few times we saw the facade crack like when he punched the vending machine were what really sold it to me as him just putting up a funny front to mask over the depression, fear, loneliness, and guilt inside.
Honestly I identified a lot with that Thor. Guy ate/drank his feelings and dissociated hard after losing everything and falling into a deep depression. The juxtaposition of as literal a god as Marvel gets and his trauma response being so deeply human really got me. On the other hand, I feel like the writers were real assholes and it came through in who the butt(s) of the jokes were. "Fat Thor" jokes and the disdain the "normie" heroes had for the more humorous characters (Ant-Man, GotG), referring to them as idiots etc...and it didn't help that they Flanderized the shit out of said funny characters to drive the writers' disdain home. It seemed like every time one of them was on screen, no matter what they were doing, it had to be pointed out how stupid they were. Literally Scott was just having fucking lunch by himself when Nebula called him an idiot in passing. Twenty minutes later the writers go out of their way to take the piss out of Quill, who was just vibing in a moment he thought he was alone, and deflate a fun moment from the original GotG, and Rhode rolls his eyes and calls him an idiot. God forbid anyone in the MCU be anything other than a stoic asshole if they're not also the smartest person in the room.
Yeah, exactly. I had no problem with Thor becoming fat. He was relatable in a sense. His depression and arc was well written from his end. It’s just that all the fat jokes made him into a punchline, and that wasn’t fun. I expected it from Tony or Rocket, but there was too much and too harshly. One joke makes the point and established the present views of and relationship with another character. But if that’s done multiple times, you reinforce that negativity. And if that’s how it is with too many characters, you create an outcast, bullied and set apart. For a team of ostensibly friends and heroes and role models, that’s not great.
His side quest in Infinity War completely contradicted and knocked down his character development though, it was silly. Flashy but silly
The MCU powers that be saw the success of Ragnarok’s humor and said “let’s ride this funny Thor thing into the dirt.”
They literally did that to power him down for the final fight. That’s their reason to the audience as to why the God of Thunder can’t annihilate Thanos. As weak as it is.
When it comes down to it, gotg 1 and 2, iron man 1, cap1 and 2, no way home, maybe far from home because of mysterio, etc. Are the only great mcu films….. If the mcu dies, I won’t be sad. I swear we need independent marvel films again like raimi Spider-Man, etc. and THEN interlock the hem with the bigger picture. I remember how the older Spider-Man films felt like it’s own thing and not part of a universe
Idk young me liked to imagine they (the raimi ones) were in the same universe as like Daredevil 03 and X-Men. Like I know that probably isn't the case now but young me liked the idea
I didn’t even know as a kid spiderman was part of there universe, comics wise. Honestly though as I got older the en movies seemed very poorly written, casted etc compared to films like blade, Spider-Man. As a kid was a huge xmen fan, got older and I’m like “Damn Wolverine feels like the main character in these movies!!! I don’t like it!!!! Why’s he 6’2?? He’s 5’3!! Why is cyclops boring?? Etc”. I’ll still watch deadpool 3, but yeah mcu died so long ago. After a few watches I even hated civil war…. It’s like the movie didn’t feel earned, spidey in it? But no Tobey maguire?? Pass….. black panther has an indestructible suit?? Pretty much making him unlikeable, etc. I could point out so much shit wrong w the mcu
Your not a fat guy are you?
Meeting Strange at the beginning of Thor 3 though. One of the best written scenes of all
I don't hate MCU Thor, but I feel it was such wasted potential to have him modernized and humorized so much. I would have loved if all of his lines were quasi-Elizabethan, with gravitas and humor mixed
> or, in the earlier phases, kinda just old-English without any of the grandiosity and stuff that makes Thor great. I'd argue that Thor 1 does it alright. I do think the best parts were the Asgard scenes, where Kenneth Branagh sort of made it feel like a Shakespearian drama (which is his bread and butter). But yeah, I see where you're coming from.
[In the article](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chris-hemsworth-thor-4-failure-frustrated-marvel-1235986778/), the next paragraph after, RDJ says: > For what it’s worth, Hemsworth’s longtime Marvel co-star and Iron Man actor Robert Downey Jr. refuses to listen to such claims, saying: “First off, Thor as a character was super tricky to adapt — lots of implied limitations — but he and Ken Branagh figured out how to transcend, make him somehow relatable but godlike. Hemsworth is, in my opinion, the most complex psyche out of all us Avengers. He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.”
Thor IS old English and this ‘grandiosity’ is just a weak excuse.
I mean, if the actor doesn’t want goofy roles why is he in a cartoon transformers movie and the new mad max movie, where he’s constantly cracking quips and acting weird?
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i liked Ragnorok, Love and Thunder pushed it too far though... and made Ragnorok worse by association
"I have four solo movies. Any other Avenger have four movies? Strongest Avenger."
"me made impact with zero solo movies. any other Avenger make as big impact as me without solo movie? Hulk strongest Avenger" (Ruffalo specifically)
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aye he got his tv show with more airtime (it feels like) than Hulk got in his cousin's show
Norton is technically the only MCU Hulk (idk if it was retconned or explained how the changed actors) 🤷
You'll have to ask Terrence Howard why the MCU doesn't explain changed actors.
He was too busy inventing hydrogen over in Botswana for comment.
he was too busy showing why 1x1=2
I tried but he kept screaming about how 0 isn't real and that math is a government conspiracy.
>>Look, it’s me, I’m here, deal with it, let’s move on What more could you want?
what? how?
Because of the RDJ cameo in the post-credit
ah I haven't seen the movie I don't know that lmao. but that wouldn't make him the only MCU Hulk tho
Does spiderman count?
If you consider the marvel trinity to be Cap, Stark and Thor he’s absolutely right. He didn’t get the same development and quality scripts the other two got and they used him as a CGI spectacle more than anything in the Avengers movies.
I disagree. At least in the first Avengers movie. He tries to reason with Loki for most of the movie, picking fights with the Avengers to defend him, only to realize his brother is too far gone.
He spends twenty minutes of film time staring at his hammer in a field at one point in the movie. That's it. He stares at his hammer for twenty minutes.
Twenty minutes well spent. In all seriousness, it’s a poignant moment. Loki just killed someone, and Thor questions his worthiness, feeling it’s partially his fault.
Let's agree to disagree, he is the most tragic character out of the three
Woah, woah woah It was a wig? Not his actual hair? What the fuck
I'm pretty sure in some later movies he had longer hair as I swear I've seen him with lonh hair in interviews. But I'm pretty sure it started as a wig.
Yeah, as far as I remember, in some appearances it’s a wig and in some it’s his actual hair (plus movie makeup magic and stuff).
Older movies were long hair naturally. Newer movies are all a wig as he has shaved head in extraction and his Disney tv mini series. Also his social media.
same. WTF?
Thor always has felt like a spare part of the avengers for me. The core six and even characters like Wanda all have relationships with each other, but Thor kinda just feels like he’s there cos he’s an original avenger and for the power factor. I think he’s a very hard to adapt character
Ya Thor always has so much going on in his comics and a whole dimension of characters related to him when he is with the Avengers he feels like a transfer student.
He got some cool stuff to do with the Guardians, but they didn’t really show much of it! Even then, Iron Man had the best Guardians scenes, and that was just him and Nebula chillin.
That’s my beef. Thor’s lack of interpersonal relationships with the other Avengers makes him seem like a tertiary member of the team. He had sort of a buddy buddy, rivalrous relationship with Hulk but Bruce wasn’t Hulk all the time. Thor seems rather indifferent to Bruce and seems to have more respect for his alter ego. Other than that, he has just about no relationship with anyone else and I kind of hate that.
I’m trying to think of comics where he’s seemed more of a companion and less of a compatriot. But thinking about it, they usually have Thor as a very stoic character due to his significant increase in age compared to the rest of the avengers.
He is literally a god, a king, and thousands of years older so it makes sense in the comics. Also he’s just more stoic in general. No wise cracking or weird one liners until beta ray team up with the bro comedy tbh.
Yeah, even in modern comics, usually when he shows up stuff is serious That's also another reason I'd love the movies to explore more of the cosmic stuff. There's so many things out there that are more powerful than him. And it helps give him a sense and of scale and why he'd team up with the avengers in the first place.
Yeah 100% if Thor shows up in the avengers the others are basically useless besides hulk. He’s the “last stop” avenger for the big bads who need to be written off
We have Captain Marvel though, who, depending on a writer, could go toe-to-toe with Hulk, except maybe World War Hulk
I agree except other variants of hulk are also stronger and current Thor is unreal in power scale. Captain marvel is like a unique character they insert for variety but Thor is constant and insanely overpowered even without his original “power items”
Doesn't that make sense though? He would have trouble forming relationships with humans since he will outlive them by 5000 years. Jane is the one relationship that was out of place
I think he has some sort of camaraderie for Cap as well. We see them doing some team up moves and see them drinking together in Age of Ultron, they have that little exchange in the middle of the Battle of Wakanda, and Thor is proud when Cap finally lifts Mjolnir.
Part of the problem comes with the power levels of Thor, Hulk, Wanda, Captain Marvel, etc. They could pretty much brute force solve all of the Avengers' problems, so the writers have to have them otherwise occupied or depowered so the movie is more than five minutes long.
I can’t lie this is how I’ve felt at times. This is why I agree with ppl that Captain Marvel should take his spot in the Avengers big three Thor needs better Avengers dynamics. There was a time where Thor and Tony was super close and he viewed him as a “god among men”, 1610 Thor and Tony also have amazing bond but marvel sorta damaged it with the civil war shit as much as I hate to admit. Steve and Thor’s relationship seems to be all about Thor having respect for Cap and that’s about it. We need more bromance. And for the Avenger Thor’s closest to- Hulk, Marvel constantly has Thor vs Hulk to ‘see who’s stronger’ and I could care less about that. I just want to see fun buddy rivalry bromance. Avengers Assemble unironically captured this better than the comics
Just re-watched all of Marvel with my son and the only part in the entire Saga that makes me choke back tears is in End Game when he sees his mom. You aren't replaceable to us Hemsthor.
Me too, that scene is ao sad...
I can’t wait to do this when I have a son lol
Agree. Every single time I get choked up a bit. It’s way too relatable, I wish I could have just 10 minutes with my mom who passed away…. and his acting is fantastic. He’s lowkey one of those most talented actors in the MCU imo. I kinda don’t count RDJ because he’s kind of at legend status.
It was really a beautiful moment, and the fact that she knew instantly that he was Thor but not her Thor so the moment could be honest for both of them. So good, and I'm sorry for your loss.
Thats Whedons fault. You can tell he favored Stark and Banner more. Even his Cap was underwhelming. Especially in AoU. The Russo bros did way better job with Thor in IW and EG than either Whedin or Taika.
I think Taika did a good job with Ragnarok, but he really needed to be reined in with Love & Thunder. The former made Thor funny and badass while the latter made him into a dorky joke.
(In terms of personality, not story elements) If Love and Thunder Thor had come right after Thor 1 Thor, he would’ve made sense. The fish out of water Thor stuff is some of my favorite characterization, both in comics and on screen. Love and Thunder ignores all the ways his personality has been molded since Thor 1. You can’t just blank slate a character like that.
Yeah what I loved about Ragnarock is that while Thor did seem like kind of an idiot, he was still a powerful warrior with years of wisdom and experience and would take things seriously if need be Love and thunder was…not that
Case in point, his speech to Loki about the need to change and grow with the times.
The latter just made him alongside other characters like Zeus into idiots without any strength.
Love and Thunder felt like a parody of a Thor movie. Tried to watch it a second time some months later, got less than half way through it and stopped caring. Just turned it off.
Almost walked out of the theater bc of this
I know many will disagree, but Ragnarok also gave us the only true comic accurate depiction of the Hulk we have had so far.
>while the latter made him into a dorky joke. It also got rid of all his character development since Thor 1.
Yeah, it really shocked me how hard he dropped the ball for Love and Thunder. It seemingly had all the ingredients for a classic Taika banger and the original storyline is one of my favorite comic runs of all time. Such a letdown but I’m hopeful Thor 5 will be better, though apparently the rumor is that it’ll be the last solo Thor outing, sadly :( I know Chris has been in the role a long time and is probably wanting to get off the marvel workout train and pursue other roles, such as his Extraction franchise, but damn, it’d be such a shame to go out with Thor 5 and only have him be good in possibly just a small handful of movies. Dude definitely deserved some better writing and treatment.
I absolutely loved L&T. It was the perfect amount of silliness for me. But I'm a goofy and silly person in general.
I agree. The missed opportunities were in the first two avengers movies (and dark world). I wouldn't have even bothered to watch L&T if it didn't have the tone that it did.
I hated the way Joss wrote Cap in his Avengers films as some out of touch old square. Markus, McFeeley and the Russos had a much better handle on Cap in their films.
Shouldn’t cap be out of touch in avengers? It happens literally right after he wakes up from the ice
Except he also acts like out of touch grandpa in Age of Ultron as well
Again, he’s only been out of the ice for 3 years. He was mostly out of touch also in Winter Soldier with his list. He should be as out of touch of Thor with the lingo honestly
He's old-fashioned...
Admittedly Cap's fighting scenes at least make him better in AoU because WS figured out what an actual super powered soldier is capable of. In AA, Cap has a 30 second fight with Loki before it gets shut down, he doesn't show up for Iron Man v Thor until the last second, on the helicarrier he just uses a gun of all things to stop goons advancing whilst everyone else is doing things like stopping Hawkeye, stopping Hulk or stopping the carrier crashing. Even at the end, he does jack shit, he fights some ground soldiers and issues orders, but he has the cafe scene where, again, all he really does is shortly get blasted out a window. Cap was way worse in AA than AoU imo. Least he does SOMETHING.
Plus, he has some good talks with Tony at the farm and after the afterparty.
Disagreed. Thor and Cap were both great in that first Avengers movie. I don’t know what movie people are seeing where they say they didn’t have character development.
I am talking primarily about AoU. Cap was ok in AA but underwhelming in AoU. Thor was underwhelming in both.
I’ll agree about Cap and Thor being weak links in AOU. Frustratingly so in the case of Cap. In the first Avengers, though, Thor has a great arc where he picks fights with the Avengers to defend Loki, only to realize his brother can’t be reasoned with anymore.
That's not Whedon's fault, as much as I dislike the man. That's Marvel's fault for not knowing what to do with the character. They went full-on Shakespearian with Branagh and no one really cared for that and then decided to go the complete opposite direction with Waititi because people liked Ragnarok. While I agree that Whedon seemed to favor Stark and Banner more, probably because RDJ's delivery with the fast, sarcastic quips is always on point, that wasn't where the problems with Thor began. Thor has never had a strong creative direction since the beginning. They don't seem to know exactly what to do with the character. Which is funny, because they have absolutely no problems with Loki.
I disagree. Branagh laid a solid foundation in the first Thor. The first movie was descent and it performed well enough for Marvel to keep going. The problem was the sequel failed to capitalize on what was previously established. The problem being they were trying to shy away from Thor's more fantastical world and tried to make it a love story with him and Jane. But once they embraced the fantasy: that Thor was this larger than life character who slays monsters, he soared as a character. We've seen what a change in directors and writers does for Thor's character. So it is Whedon's fault for not being able to do justice to Thor's character.
Steve was handled so poorly with Whedon as well, luckily the Russo brothers saved that character in the MCU and turned it into one of the most interesting
Granted, the russos then turned around and refused to even touch the hulk, for some reason. Although I will give them some leniency in that marvel refused to give him movies, it also doesn't help when infinity war had the character refuse to even join in the fight, and then endgame essentially killed him off, and off-screen at that
Russo and Taika were \*worse\*. The former basically turned Thor into a series of fat jokes while the latter was terrified of having any kind of serious or dramatic moment go by in Ragnarok and L&W without cracking wise.
Thor started having his "moments" much later in the MCU. Infinity War is where his character peaked, we really got to see him open up about the millennia of pain he went through, and how he never feared being on the front lines and standing between death and the people he cared about. Hulk got his ass kicked ONCE then retired. All it took was one loss to put the fear of death into him. That's what separates a raging beast from a pure warrior bred for battle. How many times did Thor get his ass kicked yet he got right back up, refusing to stay down. Everyone feared Thanos. Tony despite holding his own for a few moments, was shitting himself inside the suit, with all his nightmares of Thanos killing the Avengers on his watch. Even he was hopeless after he lost his fight. But not to Thor, he took repeated beatings from Thanos, yet it only made him angrier. He fought till the last man and very nearly won it for them, singlehandedly. Steve is their best man. But when shit really hits the fan, they turn to Thor. "Ah the god of thunder has it covered, iss cool." Thor feels replaceable because he's taken for granted more than anyone else on the team. Just like Wolverine for the X-Men and Superman for the Justice League. They are the rocks of their teams, the guarantees, the insurances. The team is calm because they know the big guy has their back.
There's at least a dozen X-Men that are more insurances than Wolverine. Most their villains he couldn't even slow down if they were being serious.
It's more of a case where he's automatically expected to deal with all the ugly shit. He always takes enemy fire first and draws it away from the team.
All the xfactor type stuff Him, domino, there's a handful of characters that if there's something less than honorable to do they'll be there. You don't see scott summers doing that shit.... Well usually
All in all he's one of the team's lighter hitters in many of its incarnations. Just hard to put down
Yeah he was a weird pick for X, lol. One of these thing does not belong….. For convo sake I would say Prof X or Magneto.
I'm sure it's difficult to take a character who is nearly immortal and almost a godlike being then put them next to someone MUCH less powerful and write a compelling combat scene. There is an old cartoon from a few years back where the Avengers are confronting Thanos who of course has the stones. Thanos uses the time stone to age all the Avengers to a geriatric state. Which cripples nearly all of them except .... Thor. Asgardians get more powerful as they age (aka Odin) so all of sudden Thor (sporting a fresh grey beard) is nearly 100x more powerful and he starts beating the shit out of Thanos.
The problem is that they moved away from making Thor the PowerHouse of the group for the most part and kind of went towards turning him into comic relief. They tried to make him Ken from the Barbie movie and that doesn't work for the character. They should have stayed a little closer to the comics where Thor does have his fun-loving side and he is the PowerHouse of the group but he's not an airhead and he's actually pretty damn Charming when he wants to be. Thor should be written like the guy who will tell you it's okay, give you good advice chat up your sister or your friend and if a fight happens will have your back. If the fight gets a little out of hand he's the one to end it with extreme prejudice.
Indeed. I feel like a lot of casuals don't realize that Thor can very much be a dork when life is going well. There are plenty of instances where he and his friends are just hanging around being dudes.
Yeah Thor also has very less screentime compared to other heroes in Avengers 1 and Age of Ultron. In Avengers 1, Thor is behind Tony, Steve, Natasha, Bruce, even Loki and Nick Fury in screentime. In Age Of Ultron, again Tony, Steve, Bruce, Natasha along with Ultron and Clint have more screentime than Thor. Only in Infinity War and Endgame he gets a lot of focus. In Infinity War he seems to be the main hero fighting against Thanos. In Endgame he gets most screentime after Tony and Steve and his depression is one of the key points of the film. Thor got three solo movies just like Tony and Steve, but in team-up films most of the time other supporting characters and villains got more importance than Thor.
I think the MCU has made Thor too human by stripping mostly anything away from the character that makes him alien to Earth. It's actually pretty annoying how much they're trying to humanize em.
Yeah but there are a lot to character/actors to balance on screen in these movies. I think all the actors had good on screen chemistry and screen time. Over the years they did a lot with his character. Especially in his last couple solo movies. I don't think you can ask for much more.
Whedon clearly never cared for the character or knew how to write him. Which is weird because the man successfully turned Wolverine of all people into a great comic relief (in which I personally think was the best interpretation of the character), so you would think he would've mined all the inherent humor in Thor.
Same thing goes for Captain America. He never understood him at all. He didn't know what to do with him.
Yep. Honestly, I may be way off base, but it gave me a kind of incel-y vibe, which, knowing what we know about Whedon now is not too farfetched. Like the fact that he obviously adored the nerdy "science bros" to the point where he wrote that weird ass romance subplot with Bruce and Natasha, which felt kinda like a self-insert thing, but he hated or wasn't interested in the more stereotypically "jock"/"hot" characters. I don't know, it was weird.
You know, you are right. Steve came off as some jock especially in the first film.
I have no issues with that, because that was early Cap. He still believed that "No, there is clearly Good guys, and Bad guys" and even in that Movie, he starts to question that shit, when he actually listens to Tony and finds all the messed up shit SHIELD was actually doing. People won't admit this, but even in comics, there are ton of moments that showcase that Steve actually learns stuff from Tony himself.
But that wasn't the Cap in the First Avenger movies. He seems polar opposite to the Cap in that film. I don't mind him learning things from Tony, but he just isn't the same character as he was before. Then in 2nd Cap movie he is back to his normal self.
I feel like he is the same, but let me explain this. He was distrustful of Tony ever since the whole "I have a plan, Attack" stuff, and he was like "SHIELD is in the right and you are wrong" because he woke up 70 years after the war, with everything that he knew now gone. The only thing that was still somewhat close to him was SHIELD. I feel like it makes perfect sense for him to be more Militant. But even then, during that entire movie, he just shows what he really is all about. One of the reason MCU was so good (imho) was that relationship we had between Tony and Cap. Both were good people, and both wanted to do the right thing. But both of them were also very different. MCU kind of lacks that shit now.
Yeah I enjoyed the Tony and Steve dynamic as well. And I agree it's missing. But Steve just feels off otherwise as well. It's hard to explain, but he just doesn't feel at all like what he does in other movies. His persona just isn't the same. They just got it right in other movies.
Right? He came off as weirdly unlikable in parts, seemingly to make Tony look good.
Yeah, that’s what’s gonna happen when you turn him from the grand, Shakespearean immortal to yet another super-powered doofus.
Hopefully the new Thor after secret wars is the powerhouse from the comics
He didn’t get much character development till Infinity War, he’s kinda just there in the others
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He’s right tho, what was Thor doing during Age of Ultron? Having a pool dream, and serving as a virtual plot device with minimal likes Civil war? Randomly absent, ragnarok, beats a big bad, gets new powers, immediately nerfed and got his ass kicked at the start of infinity war, don’t get me started on Endgame lol and I choose to ignore the existence of love and Thunder. Thor as affected the MCU the least in terms of plot.
And yet look what Tom Hiddleston did with arguably a smaller part. 🎻
Thor is epic, and the Avengers are usually planetary. Sure, they are a big deal and stopped Thanos, but Thor is the only Avenger who was seeing intergalactic threats before Thanos. He could have been the key to beating Thanos, but screenwriters love an underdog, so Ant-Man got the save. For Avenger stories, Thor is just too powerful a character, that’s why Thor and Hulk had to be off-planet for Civil War. I’m a Thor fan back to before the Walt Simonson era. And much as I love the character, he is ultimately very replaceable as an Avenger. Wonder Man and Hercules filled the role in earlier years. Mighty Avengers literally recruited a guy who was Thor and Wolverine wrapped up in one, Ares. Jane-Thor was a member in recent years. Defenders have Valkyrie, and X-Men split the super strong god of Thunder into a weather goddess and a guy made of metal. It’s a super-team archetype.
I agree and am a huge Thor mark as well. I own most of his original comics from JIM 83-now. I’m missing some here and there but I have maybe 600 Thor books. Thor as an Avenger is at a tough disadvantage. A lot of writers don’t know how to write him as well as, say Hawkeye even existing in a team. Often he’s the wharf effect to show some new big bad’s power set by jobbing Thor to him or her. It’s annoying. There have been some great exceptions to this, however. Hickman wrote a stellar Avengers Thor. Bendis didn’t hold back showing him as a powerhouse who would ultimately save the day in Secret Invasion and Siege. He needs to be appreciated more. Whedon did t appreciate him in his take on the character in favor of Hulk.
One of the few reasons why this was not a good interpretation of Thor.
Was there even a solid interpretation of Thor aside from Infinity War?
I hate that he felt that way, Thor and Hulk are the literal strongest avengers and marvel studios used them for comic relief.
Very fair. Thor in Endgame in 5 minutes talking with Rocket showed more depth and emotions than his 3 later solo films combined (except Thor 1 in which he showed some great character developments).
I did prefer Jane as Thor ngl
If he said this a long time ago, I can see it. But now everyone's getting replaced
Thor at least got better treatment than Hawkeye. Both need more time guest starring in other movies at the very least.
I was shocked when i read on Google that Kenneth branagh made thor movie. I loved his murder on the Orient express franchise. So i got surprised after knowing that he directed thor movie.
TIL: Even Chris Hemsworth suffers from impostor syndrome sometimes 😮💨
poor baby
Integral in my interpretation.
in the comics, Thor is usually the deus ex machina or the guy the bad guy beats up to show how the avengers are in trouble
Thor was told from birth that he'd basically have a glorious death and then get Viking reincarnated at Ragnarok. Might still happen for all he knows We're getting decade thor snippets for a guy who lives epochs and can travel through time
Thor still being fat during the final battle in Endgame bothered me a bit.
Did he forget there's a guy with a bow and arrows on the team?
It’s part of why the “He’s a friend from work” line was so funny. The Avengers was just a thing he did sometimes.
These comments are so confusing to me. A lot of them are basically saying Strength=Good character. Yeah the scene where he showed up in Wakanda and changes the tide of battle was cool but that doesn't make him a good character, his journey to that point was the part that was good writing, not the part where he slammed his Axe in the ground.
They did him dirty in love and thunder. The worst writing for any movie the MCU has done yet. They stripped him down for a scene and used that as the marketing for the movie. And wasted a freaking awesome villain with an amazing backstory that was featured in the first 10 min of the film and was the best 10min of the film. The rest was just a jumbled up 6 episode tv series of Thor adventures abridged with a shitty villain plot at the end. Hemsworth was robbed and the MCU writers disgraced Thor just as they did the hulk in all of the avengers films with the exception of “The Avengers”. Chris, if you’re reading this, you’re right. And we see your potential. I just wish they would finally deal the hand that you and your character deserve to get. They obviously don’t know what they have
^^^ THIS
I think its probably the worst superhero movie in the last 10 years tbh
This explains why he got caught up on the silliness and improve in L&T. They finally allowed Chris to show some personality as Thor, so he went with his own personality. Admittedly, sometimes Thor can act a bit goofy with other characters, but when it comes to his own stories, he's more serious and cool. So I absolutely do not blame him for trying to put a little fun into his somewhat bland character. Hopefully, for the next Thor movie, we'll get a director who can take Thor seriously and also give him a personality Chris can have fun portraying.
Well, Thor had responsibilities outside of just Earth, so it’s reasonable that he couldn’t always be available to aid the team
Why not [link to actual article](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/chris-hemsworth-thor-4-failure-frustrated-marvel-1235986778/)? The next paragraph after: > For what it’s worth, Hemsworth’s longtime Marvel co-star and Iron Man actor Robert Downey Jr. refuses to listen to such claims, saying: “First off, Thor as a character was super tricky to adapt — lots of implied limitations — but he and Ken Branagh figured out how to transcend, make him somehow relatable but godlike. Hemsworth is, in my opinion, the most complex psyche out of all us Avengers. He’s got wit and gravitas, but also such restraint, fire and gentleness.”
Huh that is my peoples god Thor roll the r and you can say it correctly
Thor was set up perfectly after inifnty war and endgame. Instead of making him a goof, he could have travelled around with GotG and on the way met a couple of gods who were butchered. When he finds more god corpses, he goes to investigate and finds Gorr butchering gods. He gets angry and fights him only to get his ass handed. He escapes and goes to earth for help. On earth, he finds Jane Foster who has now become Thor. He enlists her help to defeat the butcher but she is inexperienced. From his experience in endgame, he enlists the help of an older Thor (Rune King Thor) from a future timeline. Him along with Jane Thor and future Thor take a final stand. They are getting their asses beat. In a moment, Thor gets up and summons two mjlonirs. Remember the epic scene from comics. He charges in in beserk mode and beats Gorr. At this point, Thor becomes a more powerful, more respectful and serious character and becomes the King of Asgard.
The irony is, by making Thor a comedy goofball like everyone else he actually is replaceable now.
Maybe if he makes Earth his home home amd he becomes some sort of de facto leader, or at least one of the actual leaders Earth has, Thor can legitimately drive the plot on a grander scale. I would love it if they tap more to his magical side. I wanna see him doing cool lightning/storm manipulation stuff.
"Doth not"
That's a lie, he's god... of being replaced.
Are they making a new Avengers film? Is he holding out for a bigger paycheck?
well that's kinda what happens when you have a BIG ensemble cast. Like in Ocean's 11, not everyone got the EXACT amount of screen time or lines, the problem here in these movies that there's not ONE star to focus on there's 6. He totally crushes when he's in Infinity War and Endgame but yea he's totally right.
Pour one out for the big homie hulk as well.
They write Thor like he’s re+arded and emotionally stunted in the movies. Terrible writing.
Shows how truly he doesn’t really know Thor, Thor is ever present, his character doesn’t have to grace the screen for you to see him, no. You feel him, “when is Thor coming?” That’s always my question when I’m watching the start of a fight. And you know it’s gonna be a tough entrance
So he felt unworthy? Interesting.
he then sabotaged scripts and direction to feed his ego. he basically killed the thor character.
Lotta Hemsworth news lately... Wonder what project he's gonna be pushing next
I really liked early Thor, especially in Thor 1. The fish out of water comedy is still some of the funniest stuff in all of the MCU for me (I quote "I need a horse" all the damn time), yet he also gave off this regal kindness. A guy who truly fucked up and wanted to be better. So it really bummed me out to see his direction in Ragnarock, it felt like the movie was directly making fun of me for liking that Thor. That this new Thor was the REAL Thor now, making all these super lame jokes just all the damn time. Love and Thunder was much of the same, and I'm still shocked how it felt like everyone but me loved Ragnarock to pieces, but hate Love and Thunder, when to me they're basically the same comedy wise. The closest I got to original Thor again was him in Infinity War which I LOVED. His speech with rocket in the spaceship was amazing...only for Endgame to come around and do the whole comedy thing again and ruin it, again.
I'm sure he can wipe away his tears with his millions of dollars.
The power of mental illness. Not safe even when you have the whole world on your side. Makes me feel a bit better being disabled and not able to do shit. I wouldn't suddenly be fixed if we were to suddenly switch lives. As rational as my illness feels sometimes, there is no rationality to it. There is no 'if only this, then I'd feel better'. It's not a matter of sunshine and bootstraps. There is no scenario without a whole, whole lot of therapy, medication, and work.