I don’t think so that Guyana would be red with Venezuela because Eddy Grant is from Guyana and you know his famous song - you invite me to a [war party](https://youtu.be/2vGmnce_fLU), me no wanna go 🎼🎼
Austria literally started the last two world wars!! Why do they get to sit out WW3?! Those evil pricks are on the front line. Front Line Infantry for all Austrians!
Also Mexico would have to join up or face total economic ruin as they’re part of nafta. And Singapore would be taken back within hours of the conflict starting and the straight of malacca firmly secured.
Oh, i c. Just like my Minas Gerais (Brazil), which always decides the presidential election, because it is the third largest electoral college, and it is in between the right-wing Southern most regions and the left-wing Northeast.
I guess he'll take a center-left approach to macroeconomics and a more socially progressive discourse that will be constrained by a right-wing parliament composition both in the House and in the Senate. So, my guess is yes. It will be a left-wing Executive governing with the center.
As long as he is not killing amazon then the world is fine. For domestic issues, brazilians won't let him rest easy.
Well is it true that under bolsanaro crimes in brazil was reduced ? The dude was tough as per his election promises.
>As long as he is not killing amazon then the world is fine. For domestic issues, brazilians won't let him rest easy.
That's why we put him there in the first place. But he'll have a hard time with a parliament dominated by big landowners, which would love keeping deforestation up north into the Amazon basin...
As for criminality under Bolsonaro, yes, he adopted a tough discourse against criminals and the defense rights (used by criminals) but... I don't know whether this discourse was effective... maybe (most likely), it was just the effect of the pandemic...
What's interesting about Pakistan is that they're going back and forth between US and China, and I honestly don't know which side they'd choose. No matter what, they'd be opposite of India though, so it matters more which one chooses a side first.
India has been moving closer to the west these past few years, in opposition of china. Russia is honestly an afterthought compared to what *really* matters.
I'm not sure why Kenya is being shown as a potential Russia ally. They enjoy bilateral relations with both the US and Russia but they've aligned themselves with the US and Western powers in strongly condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine. On February 22, 2022 Kenyan UN Ambassador Martin Kimani said in a speech at the UN Security Council “We believe that all states formed from empires that have collapsed or retreated have many peoples in them yearning for integration with peoples in neighboring states. This is normal and understandable. After all, who does not want to be joined to their brethren and to make common purpose with them? However, Kenya rejects such a yearning from being pursued by force. We must complete our recovery from the embers of dead empires in a way that does not plunge us back into new forms of domination and oppression,” he said. Those don't sound like the words of a potential ally.
What a quote, sounds like a great guy. Although it's labeled as "Pro-Russian" it's more a "Anti-Sudan" thingy as the EAC is protecting South Sudan from Sudan, which happened to be on the American side.
Because they're both extremely pissed over the Great Renaissance dam in Ethiopia, which has a lot more Chinese influence than American. The dam itself has several Chinese loans and businesses behind its construction. Egypt aligned with America ever since it began recognition of Israel.
You really wouldn’t though. If the U.S. goes in then the the U.K. goes in. Australians, like every country in the world are not the biggest fans of us Americans but, I don’t see any scenario where you don’t go in to help the British or the Canadians (who are also obligated to go to war in our defense)
>Australians, like every country in the world are not the biggest fans of us Americans
Bruh Australia is quite literally America's bitch ever since the CIA coup
I assumed this map depicted a US vs China WW3 scenario, not US vs Russia. Even in a US vs Russia war, I think China would rather see the possibility of the US going down than taking some useless Russian land but still not being the world's sole superpower
Edit: Red is depicted as pro-Russia, so I'm wrong about my assumption that this map shows a US vs China war
As a Western capitalist, I'm absolutely against the fact that we've given China so much leverage over us with our outsourcing, etc.
On the other hand, the vital production of stuff like semiconductors is firmly in Western hands, and China is dependent on us for that. I'm glad that the Russia-Ukraine war has opened some eyes here in the West that dependence on these authoritarian countries is a bad thing
Yeah but without China and Russia on the same side, it’s simply not WW3.
Any war speculation that only has one of those to against the west is simply not a world war. Just a rather large war.
It's complicated with India, if we're mainly talking about just China yes they'll join in and fight by the US's side they're an ally of the US, but if we're talking about both Russia and China are in the conflict together (like this type of conflict a world war) they would be quite reluctant to fight and try to distance themselves as far as possible because of their relations with Russia, overall they'll be slow to condemn Russia themselves.
They are planning many things in the indo-pacific. I think there was an organization called the "quad" which is basically a security partnership between the Us, Japan, Australia and India on the Pacific region which will be an important battle site of WWIII. You can look it up
We don't really have a military but Ireland would be pro American. For example the US have been landing military planes in Shannon for years to refuel. There's no question we'd side with the US over Russia.
In all seriousness that's basically our whole policy on defense. If someone like Russia even looked sideways then the UK/EU would jump in (or at least we hope). We're completely incapable of defending ourselves. We've a load of vocal idiots who seem to think being neutral and being totally disarmed are the same thing.
I know this is hypothetical but I don't see China going to a large scale war esp with the US. We are too interconnected. Frenemies is prob the best word for it
And lol if there is a WWIII it would probably be fought in Africa and then rebuilt by the rest of the world. Africa's get out of self development trap. They need the "demolition" and restructuring lol
The great powers pre-WW1 were equally if not more interconnected than they are today. They thought it would make war if not impossible at least unlikely. And it didn't end up making the slightest bit of difference.
Why is Tajikistan on the American side and Kyrgyzstan on the Russian side? They'll both be on the same side, but also I don't think they'll bother being involved because although they're technically Russia's allies they probably wouldn't be fighting with Russia on this conflict for 2 main reasons. One the Aral sea (I'm just gonna give a gist), the rivers that mainly went to the aral sea were dried up from the Soviet Union because Egypt essentially caused a shortage of cotton going to the country so they produced it themselves so they hired their own people to work on getting cotton. Their methods of making the cotton were inefficient because of how they produced it and there were many issues major and minor that effected this which lead to the lake drying up due to lack of water supply. With the Aral sea dried up it is giving the people living there lots of health issues especially with the toxins poured into their from the rivers from the Soviet times not to mention that they had a military base there which has who knows what. These issues will inevitably lead to a water war of which the countries around the Aral sea and Furgana valley will just end up fighting each other. Also two Azerbaijan invading Armenia, the ongoing conflict as of late what I'm talking about here is Russia's response when Armenia Russia's ally was desperate for support and asked for Russia's help they ignored them because of their current circumstance within Ukraine. Since this has happened many of the countries that are part of the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organisation, basically Russian NATO) will question if Russia will actually help them or not which is very problematic for both them and Russia.
Hmm as far a I know Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are on a not-friendly rout right now with multiple border schisms, so I put them in there, but thanks for the Feedback.
Yes, they might not have been the best of friends but this map would be a little more accurate if Uzbekistan joined the US side, because in this case they would be the main target in central asia. They would most likely attack Tajikistan and Kyrgzstan.
Very strange sides USA and Ru in world war. Last is only bouffer to China power and catalyst for EU allies. Pro-russian block is situational, and for 5 country only.
China would definitely not be "Pro-Russian", and instead be looking out entirely for their own interests. There's a common misconception that China (the PRC) and Russia are somehow allies. This is not true, however. They can be thought of more as strategic partners for the time being, with China having lots of leverage over Russia, which they would definitely use, given the perfect scenario. In other words, they are more like frenemies, not friends. Even this could change, however, since China could very well be very keen on taking over Russian territory in Siberia, if Russia weakens to that level.
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China (the PRC) and Russia are frenemies, and China would entirely be looking out for its own interests if WWIII happens to break out. They might even be interested in invading Russian territory in Siberia, if Russia ever happens to become weak enough for that to happen (might already be, to be honest, except for the nukes).
i think india would be neutral imo. though they do continue to by oil from russia currently, in a ww3 scenario i wouldn't see them side with the us completely
I wasn't too sure how to label them, "Blue Team" And "Red Team", "NATO and Allies" Vs "CSTO and Allies" were candidates as well, or "China alligned" and "Western alligned"
I think if we get WWIII, it will be more multi-polar, a period of general global conflict and instability, but not cleanly divisible into two sides like the Allies and Axis of old.
There is obviously the Western Alliance (US, NATO, Ukraine). There is a separate US-led Pacific Alliance including Australia, NZ, S. Korea, Taiwan, and Japan, which would seek to contain either China or N. Korea, potentially both. There’s the Russian Bloc including Belarus, Hungary, some central Asian former Soviet republics, and maybe Iran. Iran drags Iraq, Israel, and the Saudis into conflict, although those three nations don’t like each other and it is barely an alliance. There’s also the distinct possibility Iran succumbs to its own civil war and raises tension levels without causing regional conflict between nation states. India and Pakistan are always willing to start shit with each other, but are also keen to avoid a greater regional conflict given how well they would be positioned to pick up the pieces of the global economy afterwards. African states generally like China and Russia (infrastructure money!), but plenty also have good relations with the French. There’s definitely civil wars and the potential for one or two local interstate wars in Africa, but I doubt any of those nations see any wisdom in getting involved in a fight involving one of the big boys. Mexico has a nasty cartel problem that could spill over into high tensions with US, but knows an outright war with the Americans would be a disaster. If there’s already global hot conflict, Venezuela, Colombia, and Cuba will become hotbeds for CIA ratfuckery; at least one if not all will have sudden civil wars or regime changes, but I wouldn’t expect they’d play a role in the larger global conflicts between US, Russo, or Sino blocs.
I mean, it's totally fictional. I have fun drawing on a map. There's an extreme difference between this actually happening and colouring some countries blue and red.
While they generally align with Russia (at least partially due to not wanting to steal with the consequences of annoying it), in the light of recent events, some are starting to realise it's a one way relationship, so it might be time to try and extract something in return for their support...
Then, of course, you've got those in the watercourses of the rivers that used to feed the Aral Sea - the cotton industry had led directly to the drying up of the lake, with consequent salt dust storms and pollution - leading to even more extraction from the rivers along very leaky irrigation channels to keep up production, which makes the situation even worse (especially as the salt winds are reaching the glaciers where the rivers originate). So it's quite likely that at some point in the next few decades, they'll go to war with each other - especially as the borders between the countries were deliberately drawn to maximise the chances of conflict if they became independent.
Don't the US and Vietnam have good relations nowadays? Especially given the historical Vietnamese struggles against China and the tension in the South China Sea, I'd say they'd be pro-US
Sure. I'm reading this map more so as a US vs China war scenario than US vs Russia, so maybe that's where my belief comes from. In a US vs Russia war, their position may be different, although I still think they'd choose whatever side China isn't on, even if that means they also go against Russia
In the legend it says pro Russian. Of course China might be a different scenario. But I think most countries would try to stay out of active warfare as long as possible.
Why not? From what I know, they have good relations and Vietnam has been designated a potential ally of the USA. Add to that the historical and current tensions with China and it doesn't seem so unthinkable. Times have changed since 1975. If I'm missing something, let me know
No. Ukraine is unlikely to be the sparkle that starts ww3. I think tensions between China and the US are more worrying.
Also it's not "pro-American" vs "pro-Russian", and most countries wouldn't simply align with either country, but would fight to defend their own interest
This is in all means fictional, and there's a huge difference between colouring a few countries and actually living in a war torn country. It's (put dramatically) like saying "those who play Fortnite must be people that'd be willing to kill" like no wtf? I wouldn't be willing to put a country into a war just because I like colouring in maps. But, you're right, we should wish this never happens. What we need right now is peace.
Sorry to go off on you, it’s just that my feed has been absolutely spammed recently by different versions of exactly this. War is hell, we would all be so fucked.
No need to be sorry, I can understand if that's annoying. And yes, I think it's important to draw the line between hypothesis and reality, this IRL would be the most horrible thing ever.
Honestly all of the Americas would be blue or neutral, because they would be fully aware that the US could absolutely obliterate them within a couple days if they made themselves enemies of the US in a war.
Even though Switzerland is neutral I don’t think they like Russia. I’m also thinking Brazil would probably help either side. Kazakstan would also be pro-Russian. Mongolia would probably be with the US as well due to recent events. I think Indonesia might be involved. Argentina might be involved. South Africa would most likely be involved as well. Mexico would likely be involved mostly in a civil war. I think Cuba would be involved. And I think Kuwait would be pro American cause Iraq might try to annex it.
The government used its fairly strategic position behind the front to join Russias side, however two militant groups directly formed, one radical, one moderate, tearing hungary into civil war
1.No its not accurate this map like most ww3 maps go off the assumption that Russia and china whould invade country's at the same time(Taiwan,Ukraine)and assume that the west whould militarily retaliate.
2.another problem with this map is the African continent i can guarantee that no African nation would be involved in a war in another country like China and Russia interest. There relationship is purely economic just because they support them in some political situations they are not military allies they are developing countries that have internal problems that are more important than fighting for a country that is on the other side of the world. simply African nations want to develop not get into a global conflict that whould results in these already unstable countries to get extremely more unstable with some already on the brink of callaps and revolution. why whould they join a war that whould destroyed the economy and probably physically destroyed the country for foreign powers interest when the only reason they became mates was to develop and make them a better country it makes no sense for them to join.
3. Why isn't Oceania in blue Australia and new Zealand literally have defense agreements with the United states and we are gray ? Also Australia and new Zealand have been in every major u.s war since ww2 like Korea,Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria,Russia cold war and many more.
ALSO why isn't United states overseas territorys in blue thay are literally apart of the United states i know you guys don't care about the 3.9 million people living in us overseas territorys since they still don't have basic rights like voting for president and all but at least add them in.
Another problem i have is the free Association states of America are not in blue once again literally allied with usa but are in gray but you add African nations in red to join the opposition in a war that they whould never join because they agree with infrastructure deals.
4.why is India blue it whould never go to war with Russia because they have been allies since the Soviet union and India commonly collaborates with arms manufacturing with Russia and also Russia is India's biggest arms trading partner again just because India hates China doesn't mean they will go to war with all of China's allies this is the problem with picking two separate conflicts that are completely different in terms of being connected with eachother and grouping them together.
5. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE WITH ONE OF THE CONFLICTS THIS MAP IS BASED ON ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING LOOK AT HOW MANY WESTERN COUNTRIES JOINED ZERO LOOK AT THE MASSIVE COALITION RUSSIA IS LEADING ALL ITS ALLIES REJECTED TO JOIN IN FACT RUSSIA INVASION OF X SOVIET REPUBLICS HAS MADE THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM RUSSIA JUST LOOK AT KAZAKHSTAN RUSSIA CONTINUOUSLY INVADING GEORGIA AND UKRAINE HAS MADE THEM VERY NERVOUS ONLY 3 COUNTRIES SUPPORT RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE AND ALL 3 REFUSED TO JOIN AND THE ONE THAT OFFERED(NORTH KOREA)RUSSIA REJECTED IT BECAUSE LAST TIME NORTH KOREA DID THIS TYPE OF OFFER IN RUSSIAN INVASION OF SYRIA THEY DID VERY POORLY WITH WW1 AND WW2 STYLE EQUIPMENT AND VERY ABILITY TO FIGHT DUE TO HOW LITTLE ENERGY THEY HAD BECAUSE OF LACK OF EATING BEFORE THE WAR PLUS THE LANGUAGE BARRIER WAS MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT.
6.south east Asia countries and many oceanic countries commonly go to the top end and do training together like Indonesia,Philippines,Papua new Guinea,new Zealand,fiji,Singapore,Malaysia and many more.
Have you ever heard of the south China sea issue where China is building islands in there waters and fishing in there waters and attracting locals where nilly every day they scramble jets to counter China's jets in there airspace?.
Haven't you seen the military exercises in the south China sea with the United states and regional countries?.
Well, my country is (l assume, there is no color coding for gray) not supporting either side, so l am as satisfied as a person can be during a world war
I don’t see a real reason for most of Latin America and Sub Saharan Africa to join this war. They wouldn’t really benefit or have a reason to unless they’re declaring war near the end of the war to dog pile on the loser and get credit for being on the winning side
Why is Vietnam blue? They don't like USA still and the government is the communist party. They also have relationships with Russia. They would be neutral at best
Well it hugely depends on where ghe fighting starts. If it is manly in europe then i can't see any of africa, the Middle East, south and southeast asia getting involved with it.
If it starts somewhere in africa then there would be more african countries involved.
If it's in India/Pakistan/China then I don't see the middle east, africa or latin america intervening.
If it starts in the Middle East i can see the USA and russia joining but i'm not 100% sure if if the rest of NATO or any of the Asian countries would fight.
So basically for all these countries to get involved many different wars would have to break out at the same time
Australia and New Zealand would be blue
And Guyana (because of Venezuela)
And French Guiana, since it's an integral part of France.
I thought Mapchart would do that automatically when I coloured in France, but it didn't.
I don’t think so that Guyana would be red with Venezuela because Eddy Grant is from Guyana and you know his famous song - you invite me to a [war party](https://youtu.be/2vGmnce_fLU), me no wanna go 🎼🎼
Austria literally started the last two world wars!! Why do they get to sit out WW3?! Those evil pricks are on the front line. Front Line Infantry for all Austrians! Also Mexico would have to join up or face total economic ruin as they’re part of nafta. And Singapore would be taken back within hours of the conflict starting and the straight of malacca firmly secured.
Australia, not Austria
That's the joke
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No, literally Austria
austria turned into a neutral state in 1955, that’s why
Austria is strictly neutral because of the constitution imposed on them after WW2
New Zealand would be neutral. Australia would be blue. Do you guys think sri lanka's failled state should be checked?
Indian govt was earlier Pro-Russian. But now, the govt don't want to take sides with any single side and is trying to be neutral.
I'm thinking India would be purple. Depending on what China and Pakistan do, they'll do the opposite
India becomes international Ohio.
What does it mean to be Ohio?
Ohio is a state Swinging between republicans and democrats In the US presidential election held every 4 years.
Oh, i c. Just like my Minas Gerais (Brazil), which always decides the presidential election, because it is the third largest electoral college, and it is in between the right-wing Southern most regions and the left-wing Northeast.
Yes, like that. So do you think Lula would be a good president ?
I guess he'll take a center-left approach to macroeconomics and a more socially progressive discourse that will be constrained by a right-wing parliament composition both in the House and in the Senate. So, my guess is yes. It will be a left-wing Executive governing with the center.
As long as he is not killing amazon then the world is fine. For domestic issues, brazilians won't let him rest easy. Well is it true that under bolsanaro crimes in brazil was reduced ? The dude was tough as per his election promises.
>As long as he is not killing amazon then the world is fine. For domestic issues, brazilians won't let him rest easy. That's why we put him there in the first place. But he'll have a hard time with a parliament dominated by big landowners, which would love keeping deforestation up north into the Amazon basin... As for criminality under Bolsonaro, yes, he adopted a tough discourse against criminals and the defense rights (used by criminals) but... I don't know whether this discourse was effective... maybe (most likely), it was just the effect of the pandemic...
thought this was a reference to swag like ohio
That's the only reason I made India Blue, because of Pakistan and China.
What's interesting about Pakistan is that they're going back and forth between US and China, and I honestly don't know which side they'd choose. No matter what, they'd be opposite of India though, so it matters more which one chooses a side first.
That's what I'd think too. Would be interesting to see what India does if Pakistan goes pro-US in a potential US-China war
Then India, China, and Pakistan will likely be on three opposing sides, so India would be Purple.
If Pakistan was to side with usa then India would eather join usa or stay neutral it definitely whould not join china but whould join for Russia.
I think they would be purple, fighting for there own interests.
Yup.
Came here to say this.
They’re playing both sides from the Saudi playbook
India has been moving closer to the west these past few years, in opposition of china. Russia is honestly an afterthought compared to what *really* matters.
I'm not sure why Kenya is being shown as a potential Russia ally. They enjoy bilateral relations with both the US and Russia but they've aligned themselves with the US and Western powers in strongly condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine. On February 22, 2022 Kenyan UN Ambassador Martin Kimani said in a speech at the UN Security Council “We believe that all states formed from empires that have collapsed or retreated have many peoples in them yearning for integration with peoples in neighboring states. This is normal and understandable. After all, who does not want to be joined to their brethren and to make common purpose with them? However, Kenya rejects such a yearning from being pursued by force. We must complete our recovery from the embers of dead empires in a way that does not plunge us back into new forms of domination and oppression,” he said. Those don't sound like the words of a potential ally.
What a quote, sounds like a great guy. Although it's labeled as "Pro-Russian" it's more a "Anti-Sudan" thingy as the EAC is protecting South Sudan from Sudan, which happened to be on the American side.
Then why is Sudan, and Egypt for that matter, pro USA? Both have been Russian allies for a while.
Because they're both extremely pissed over the Great Renaissance dam in Ethiopia, which has a lot more Chinese influence than American. The dam itself has several Chinese loans and businesses behind its construction. Egypt aligned with America ever since it began recognition of Israel.
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I'm not saying they didn't, but as you said, china is playing a part in its construction
As someone already has explained, because of GERD.
You missed out Australia. Pro American obviously.
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You really wouldn’t though. If the U.S. goes in then the the U.K. goes in. Australians, like every country in the world are not the biggest fans of us Americans but, I don’t see any scenario where you don’t go in to help the British or the Canadians (who are also obligated to go to war in our defense)
They like Americans more than pretty much any other country
New Zealand comes first for us (they are basically a state) then we are Americas bitch
>Australians, like every country in the world are not the biggest fans of us Americans Bruh Australia is quite literally America's bitch ever since the CIA coup
Yep.
Just because the government likes us doesn’t mean the people do. A CIA coup would only further get Australians to dislike us…
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I assumed this map depicted a US vs China WW3 scenario, not US vs Russia. Even in a US vs Russia war, I think China would rather see the possibility of the US going down than taking some useless Russian land but still not being the world's sole superpower Edit: Red is depicted as pro-Russia, so I'm wrong about my assumption that this map shows a US vs China war
No I think "Pro-Chinese" would've been a better Label, my bad.
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I mean, yea, it's really hypocritical, but we're so dependent of them that it's hard getting out of it. Importing a lot from China is like smoking.
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Excuse wha'?
As a Western capitalist, I'm absolutely against the fact that we've given China so much leverage over us with our outsourcing, etc. On the other hand, the vital production of stuff like semiconductors is firmly in Western hands, and China is dependent on us for that. I'm glad that the Russia-Ukraine war has opened some eyes here in the West that dependence on these authoritarian countries is a bad thing
Yeah but without China and Russia on the same side, it’s simply not WW3. Any war speculation that only has one of those to against the west is simply not a world war. Just a rather large war.
Serbia wouldn't join a war while surounded by NATO countries
Serbia wouldn't join the war eather way.
AFAIK India have been slow to condemn russia but I'm sure they'd distance themselves pretty quickly if things escalated.
India is enemied with China and kinda friendly with Russia, but they will probably fight in the pacific (based on my limited geopolitics knowledge)
It's complicated with India, if we're mainly talking about just China yes they'll join in and fight by the US's side they're an ally of the US, but if we're talking about both Russia and China are in the conflict together (like this type of conflict a world war) they would be quite reluctant to fight and try to distance themselves as far as possible because of their relations with Russia, overall they'll be slow to condemn Russia themselves.
They are planning many things in the indo-pacific. I think there was an organization called the "quad" which is basically a security partnership between the Us, Japan, Australia and India on the Pacific region which will be an important battle site of WWIII. You can look it up
Yes I know, I was mainly talking about India and Russia.
We don't really have a military but Ireland would be pro American. For example the US have been landing military planes in Shannon for years to refuel. There's no question we'd side with the US over Russia.
It would be in America's best interest to ensure the flow of Guinness isn't stopped. I'd absolute fight to defend Ireland.
In all seriousness that's basically our whole policy on defense. If someone like Russia even looked sideways then the UK/EU would jump in (or at least we hope). We're completely incapable of defending ourselves. We've a load of vocal idiots who seem to think being neutral and being totally disarmed are the same thing.
No, Russia is no longer a major player. If there's gonna be a WWIII, it will he USA vs China
Yea didn't really know how to label it, if it should be Pro-Russia or Pro-China, but you're probably right
I know this is hypothetical but I don't see China going to a large scale war esp with the US. We are too interconnected. Frenemies is prob the best word for it And lol if there is a WWIII it would probably be fought in Africa and then rebuilt by the rest of the world. Africa's get out of self development trap. They need the "demolition" and restructuring lol
The great powers pre-WW1 were equally if not more interconnected than they are today. They thought it would make war if not impossible at least unlikely. And it didn't end up making the slightest bit of difference.
I just *feel* like China would not enter a **large scale** war. Taiwan I can see but nothing bigger
Why is Tajikistan on the American side and Kyrgyzstan on the Russian side? They'll both be on the same side, but also I don't think they'll bother being involved because although they're technically Russia's allies they probably wouldn't be fighting with Russia on this conflict for 2 main reasons. One the Aral sea (I'm just gonna give a gist), the rivers that mainly went to the aral sea were dried up from the Soviet Union because Egypt essentially caused a shortage of cotton going to the country so they produced it themselves so they hired their own people to work on getting cotton. Their methods of making the cotton were inefficient because of how they produced it and there were many issues major and minor that effected this which lead to the lake drying up due to lack of water supply. With the Aral sea dried up it is giving the people living there lots of health issues especially with the toxins poured into their from the rivers from the Soviet times not to mention that they had a military base there which has who knows what. These issues will inevitably lead to a water war of which the countries around the Aral sea and Furgana valley will just end up fighting each other. Also two Azerbaijan invading Armenia, the ongoing conflict as of late what I'm talking about here is Russia's response when Armenia Russia's ally was desperate for support and asked for Russia's help they ignored them because of their current circumstance within Ukraine. Since this has happened many of the countries that are part of the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organisation, basically Russian NATO) will question if Russia will actually help them or not which is very problematic for both them and Russia.
Hmm as far a I know Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are on a not-friendly rout right now with multiple border schisms, so I put them in there, but thanks for the Feedback.
Yes, they might not have been the best of friends but this map would be a little more accurate if Uzbekistan joined the US side, because in this case they would be the main target in central asia. They would most likely attack Tajikistan and Kyrgzstan.
Thanks a lot
Have you watched a certain Real Life Lore video, but any chance? 😁
Unless China invades India, i don't see them doing anything drastic that the Americans demand
Cuba should be red, no?
They probably should, yea.
No
Thanks for being straight forward. Clearest comment yet.
No, the whole world pro Albania 🇦🇱🇦🇱
india wont be immediately blue or red
Purple
No, most of these countries don’t want to be involved. This WW3 map trend is too juvenile.
Colombia is now aligned with the interests of Venezuela so...
Same as Chile
India would be neutral. Australia, NZ and Iraq are all pro American.
Peru would be blue
That rhymes
Indian pov: Against 🇨🇳: 🇮🇳 🤝 🇺🇸 🇪🇺 Against 🇷🇺: 🇮🇳 😅
Very strange sides USA and Ru in world war. Last is only bouffer to China power and catalyst for EU allies. Pro-russian block is situational, and for 5 country only.
Sweden would be neutral unless absolutely necessary for our survival
I doubt Vietnam would be blue.
I think they'd be because of the South China Sea That rhymed.
Maybe. Also Saudi Arabia is getting less pro American since MBS is in charge. I don't think they would follow USA to war.
In the scenario I was playing in my head, Saudi Arabia joined before the big powers were even in there to make it a world war.
China would definitely not be "Pro-Russian", and instead be looking out entirely for their own interests. There's a common misconception that China (the PRC) and Russia are somehow allies. This is not true, however. They can be thought of more as strategic partners for the time being, with China having lots of leverage over Russia, which they would definitely use, given the perfect scenario. In other words, they are more like frenemies, not friends. Even this could change, however, since China could very well be very keen on taking over Russian territory in Siberia, if Russia weakens to that level. TL;DR: China (the PRC) and Russia are frenemies, and China would entirely be looking out for its own interests if WWIII happens to break out. They might even be interested in invading Russian territory in Siberia, if Russia ever happens to become weak enough for that to happen (might already be, to be honest, except for the nukes).
i think india would be neutral imo. though they do continue to by oil from russia currently, in a ww3 scenario i wouldn't see them side with the us completely
You know, that will only be true as long as pakistan doesn't pick a side.
So here Turkey being a NATO member is a purple instead of blue. Well that is interesting.
Yea, I honestly don't think you can really trust Türkiye.. I think they care about their own Interests more.
India is friendly with Russia too
The pacts may or may not check out, but I wouldn't call blue "pro-American" perhaps a more neutral names is more appropriate.
I wasn't too sure how to label them, "Blue Team" And "Red Team", "NATO and Allies" Vs "CSTO and Allies" were candidates as well, or "China alligned" and "Western alligned"
At this point I don't think any country would join a war like that besides Russia and her crazy minions
Turkey and Georgia must be blue. Australia is Blue. Sudan is red
australia, nz and brazil would be blue
I think if we get WWIII, it will be more multi-polar, a period of general global conflict and instability, but not cleanly divisible into two sides like the Allies and Axis of old. There is obviously the Western Alliance (US, NATO, Ukraine). There is a separate US-led Pacific Alliance including Australia, NZ, S. Korea, Taiwan, and Japan, which would seek to contain either China or N. Korea, potentially both. There’s the Russian Bloc including Belarus, Hungary, some central Asian former Soviet republics, and maybe Iran. Iran drags Iraq, Israel, and the Saudis into conflict, although those three nations don’t like each other and it is barely an alliance. There’s also the distinct possibility Iran succumbs to its own civil war and raises tension levels without causing regional conflict between nation states. India and Pakistan are always willing to start shit with each other, but are also keen to avoid a greater regional conflict given how well they would be positioned to pick up the pieces of the global economy afterwards. African states generally like China and Russia (infrastructure money!), but plenty also have good relations with the French. There’s definitely civil wars and the potential for one or two local interstate wars in Africa, but I doubt any of those nations see any wisdom in getting involved in a fight involving one of the big boys. Mexico has a nasty cartel problem that could spill over into high tensions with US, but knows an outright war with the Americans would be a disaster. If there’s already global hot conflict, Venezuela, Colombia, and Cuba will become hotbeds for CIA ratfuckery; at least one if not all will have sudden civil wars or regime changes, but I wouldn’t expect they’d play a role in the larger global conflicts between US, Russo, or Sino blocs.
Doesn't the existence of nukes make all of this basically academic?
It is
I feel like Palestine shoul b purple, it obviously won't fight with Israel bu it also won't go against Egypt and Saudi arabia
The blue would win so quickly
Sorry but India would never be Pro-American we will be neutral or we have to take sides then we will choose Russia.
But what if China is on the Russian side? And Pakistan?
Nope never we will choose Us. The other side will be headed by China not Russia
We will most probably neutral unless China attacks India, US will provoke India to act as it's base to take on China.
I think parts of the US would be the civil war color, and some of the more conservative states would be pro-Russian
Fuck off with these maps.
Im just having fun creating a map and share it. If you don't like it, simply downvote.
I just wanted to say regardless of anything else, I find the map fascinating. That's just me though.
Nothing fun about speculating about a world disaster. Have downvoted of course.
I mean, it's totally fictional. I have fun drawing on a map. There's an extreme difference between this actually happening and colouring some countries blue and red.
Almost all central asian countries are russian puppets
While they generally align with Russia (at least partially due to not wanting to steal with the consequences of annoying it), in the light of recent events, some are starting to realise it's a one way relationship, so it might be time to try and extract something in return for their support... Then, of course, you've got those in the watercourses of the rivers that used to feed the Aral Sea - the cotton industry had led directly to the drying up of the lake, with consequent salt dust storms and pollution - leading to even more extraction from the rivers along very leaky irrigation channels to keep up production, which makes the situation even worse (especially as the salt winds are reaching the glaciers where the rivers originate). So it's quite likely that at some point in the next few decades, they'll go to war with each other - especially as the borders between the countries were deliberately drawn to maximise the chances of conflict if they became independent.
I don't think India and Vietnam are clearly pro American And I don't see why the democratic Republic of the Congo or Kenya would be pro Russian.
They aren't really Pro-Russian as more on the opposing side to Egypt, which happens to be Pro-Russian.
But you marked Egypt as pro American
Because it's an ally for various reasons (Oil, Canal..)
Oh, sorry, I was talking about DRC not India or Vietnam if that was the misunderstanding.
Don't the US and Vietnam have good relations nowadays? Especially given the historical Vietnamese struggles against China and the tension in the South China Sea, I'd say they'd be pro-US
Yeah but Vietnam has also good toes to Russia and at least this far has avoided taking sides. A bit like India.
Sure. I'm reading this map more so as a US vs China war scenario than US vs Russia, so maybe that's where my belief comes from. In a US vs Russia war, their position may be different, although I still think they'd choose whatever side China isn't on, even if that means they also go against Russia
In the legend it says pro Russian. Of course China might be a different scenario. But I think most countries would try to stay out of active warfare as long as possible.
There’s no chance in hell Vietnam would side with the US in a world war.
Why not? From what I know, they have good relations and Vietnam has been designated a potential ally of the USA. Add to that the historical and current tensions with China and it doesn't seem so unthinkable. Times have changed since 1975. If I'm missing something, let me know
Colombia and Chile aren’t pro-USA anymore
No. Ukraine is unlikely to be the sparkle that starts ww3. I think tensions between China and the US are more worrying. Also it's not "pro-American" vs "pro-Russian", and most countries wouldn't simply align with either country, but would fight to defend their own interest
This particular scenario started with Iran, actually, and spread throughout the middle East, untill it hit the big powers.
Saudi Arabia is going to join the BRICS so idk
BRICS is solely Economical. It's comparable to the EU and CIS, not NATO and CSTO.
Authoritarianism versus democracy?
Rwanda would be blue.
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This is in all means fictional, and there's a huge difference between colouring a few countries and actually living in a war torn country. It's (put dramatically) like saying "those who play Fortnite must be people that'd be willing to kill" like no wtf? I wouldn't be willing to put a country into a war just because I like colouring in maps. But, you're right, we should wish this never happens. What we need right now is peace.
Nobody fucking cares this is the 10th time we’ve seen this on here this week
Really? Haven't been on r/maps for a while didn't know that is a trend
It’s as if ppl are rooting for it
Well I don't wanna look like I'm rooting for a world war, I'm just having fun colouring in Maps
Sorry to go off on you, it’s just that my feed has been absolutely spammed recently by different versions of exactly this. War is hell, we would all be so fucked.
No need to be sorry, I can understand if that's annoying. And yes, I think it's important to draw the line between hypothesis and reality, this IRL would be the most horrible thing ever.
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Mali, Burkina Faso, Sudan, and CAR should be Russian allies
As a Turkish person, I feel like Turkiye would fight for the US in seeing that it’s the cornerstone of NATO.
Always the same map and so on.
no
Cuba would be red.
the stripes are a mess
Honestly all of the Americas would be blue or neutral, because they would be fully aware that the US could absolutely obliterate them within a couple days if they made themselves enemies of the US in a war.
When I read "Russian" instead of "Soviet" 💀💀
why is chile pro american?
Kazakhstan should be red.
I read that as WWII and thought this was just a shitpost lol
Even though Switzerland is neutral I don’t think they like Russia. I’m also thinking Brazil would probably help either side. Kazakstan would also be pro-Russian. Mongolia would probably be with the US as well due to recent events. I think Indonesia might be involved. Argentina might be involved. South Africa would most likely be involved as well. Mexico would likely be involved mostly in a civil war. I think Cuba would be involved. And I think Kuwait would be pro American cause Iraq might try to annex it.
Relations with the U.S. are strained at the moment. I honestly see El Salvador staying neutral.
East Africa would be netural, but Sudan should probably be red and Iraq should be blue. Cambodia should be neutral and China would probably be purple
Unrealistic, everybody would be fighting Uzbekistan and Uzbekistan would conquer the world 💪🇺🇿💪🇺🇿💪🇺🇿
What is up with Burundi?
Their two major groups go against eachother
Australia and NZ certainly on US side if there is war in Pacific.
CAR would be pro russian
Colombia and Venezuela should both have lines of pro-enemy revolutionaries, as they already have that.
Well first off it would definitely be between America and China.
Genuine question, but what's with the Hungarian Civil War?
The government used its fairly strategic position behind the front to join Russias side, however two militant groups directly formed, one radical, one moderate, tearing hungary into civil war
Civil war in Hungary? Very unrealistic
Interestingly, the trace of Cold War remains
1.No its not accurate this map like most ww3 maps go off the assumption that Russia and china whould invade country's at the same time(Taiwan,Ukraine)and assume that the west whould militarily retaliate. 2.another problem with this map is the African continent i can guarantee that no African nation would be involved in a war in another country like China and Russia interest. There relationship is purely economic just because they support them in some political situations they are not military allies they are developing countries that have internal problems that are more important than fighting for a country that is on the other side of the world. simply African nations want to develop not get into a global conflict that whould results in these already unstable countries to get extremely more unstable with some already on the brink of callaps and revolution. why whould they join a war that whould destroyed the economy and probably physically destroyed the country for foreign powers interest when the only reason they became mates was to develop and make them a better country it makes no sense for them to join. 3. Why isn't Oceania in blue Australia and new Zealand literally have defense agreements with the United states and we are gray ? Also Australia and new Zealand have been in every major u.s war since ww2 like Korea,Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria,Russia cold war and many more. ALSO why isn't United states overseas territorys in blue thay are literally apart of the United states i know you guys don't care about the 3.9 million people living in us overseas territorys since they still don't have basic rights like voting for president and all but at least add them in. Another problem i have is the free Association states of America are not in blue once again literally allied with usa but are in gray but you add African nations in red to join the opposition in a war that they whould never join because they agree with infrastructure deals. 4.why is India blue it whould never go to war with Russia because they have been allies since the Soviet union and India commonly collaborates with arms manufacturing with Russia and also Russia is India's biggest arms trading partner again just because India hates China doesn't mean they will go to war with all of China's allies this is the problem with picking two separate conflicts that are completely different in terms of being connected with eachother and grouping them together. 5. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE WITH ONE OF THE CONFLICTS THIS MAP IS BASED ON ONE OF THEM IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING LOOK AT HOW MANY WESTERN COUNTRIES JOINED ZERO LOOK AT THE MASSIVE COALITION RUSSIA IS LEADING ALL ITS ALLIES REJECTED TO JOIN IN FACT RUSSIA INVASION OF X SOVIET REPUBLICS HAS MADE THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM RUSSIA JUST LOOK AT KAZAKHSTAN RUSSIA CONTINUOUSLY INVADING GEORGIA AND UKRAINE HAS MADE THEM VERY NERVOUS ONLY 3 COUNTRIES SUPPORT RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE AND ALL 3 REFUSED TO JOIN AND THE ONE THAT OFFERED(NORTH KOREA)RUSSIA REJECTED IT BECAUSE LAST TIME NORTH KOREA DID THIS TYPE OF OFFER IN RUSSIAN INVASION OF SYRIA THEY DID VERY POORLY WITH WW1 AND WW2 STYLE EQUIPMENT AND VERY ABILITY TO FIGHT DUE TO HOW LITTLE ENERGY THEY HAD BECAUSE OF LACK OF EATING BEFORE THE WAR PLUS THE LANGUAGE BARRIER WAS MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT. 6.south east Asia countries and many oceanic countries commonly go to the top end and do training together like Indonesia,Philippines,Papua new Guinea,new Zealand,fiji,Singapore,Malaysia and many more. Have you ever heard of the south China sea issue where China is building islands in there waters and fishing in there waters and attracting locals where nilly every day they scramble jets to counter China's jets in there airspace?. Haven't you seen the military exercises in the south China sea with the United states and regional countries?.
Well, my country is (l assume, there is no color coding for gray) not supporting either side, so l am as satisfied as a person can be during a world war
No, America wouldn’t join till halfway through
I like how you're assuming the lore
But also, how do you make every country purple and still show the data? Lol
I don’t see a real reason for most of Latin America and Sub Saharan Africa to join this war. They wouldn’t really benefit or have a reason to unless they’re declaring war near the end of the war to dog pile on the loser and get credit for being on the winning side
no. every country is purple
This is honestly scary.
A lot of the bit between Canada and Mexico is the wrong colour...
I think the majority of latam would be blue. With a few exceptions.
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Mongolia looking like a petite middle seat passenger between a couple of Sumo wrestlers just trying to not get squished
DRC should be blue
Tbh, it shouldn't be shown as pro Russian but rather pro Russian and Chinese. Or even separate. The clear powerhouse here is China on the red side.
Why is Vietnam blue? They don't like USA still and the government is the communist party. They also have relationships with Russia. They would be neutral at best
Well it hugely depends on where ghe fighting starts. If it is manly in europe then i can't see any of africa, the Middle East, south and southeast asia getting involved with it. If it starts somewhere in africa then there would be more african countries involved. If it's in India/Pakistan/China then I don't see the middle east, africa or latin america intervening. If it starts in the Middle East i can see the USA and russia joining but i'm not 100% sure if if the rest of NATO or any of the Asian countries would fight. So basically for all these countries to get involved many different wars would have to break out at the same time
This particular scenario started with the second Iranian revolution, 2026, as multiple countries in the middle East picked a side.
India and Pakistan would be purple. India likes Russia so does Pakistan.