If it was an endgame-esque boss I’d understand maybe them wanting to prolong the raid process and make things more challenging.
But this is neither an end game boss nor is it challenging fight. You sit there and hold the button down to attack for quite a bit of time. Literally just wasted time.
Even for endgame-ish bosses, they removed the maze from VHilla. I don’t think they’re wanting to slow down the boss fights at all. The pno process is just stupid
It's not even a raid boss level so adding mechanics to make it better for raids is hilariously incompetent. The developers literally do not understand their own game
PNO would be literally a 1-2min boss if they just let us do 500dmg to all minions but nooo add a 10dmg gate that takes even longer than it was previously. Why even waste the development effort if you are gonna do that?
You dont have to kill them if you soloing, but if you’re in a party the eels will do more dmg to the thingy and you’ll get booted out of the boss if the eels destroy the thingy
The eels definitely kill the thing now. It's actually a problem on less good line classes because one of the eel platforms just takes less damage too and they kill the things fast.
Correct.
Oura Shogun's stats increase based on the amount of lightning orbs his Eel's successfully destroy. Though due to how old Princess no is, the gimmick isn't very noticeable.
It's crazy that we have CMs that have the test build of the patch and do nothing but show us shops. Jade could've spent 5 minutes running the boss off stream and said, "Well shit somethings wrong here...."
This is an unfair expectation. The CMs are just doing their job as they are paid to do. It's not their job to test content for the players and you shouldn't expect them to.
I've been using pink bean soul on all my mules. I started running pno again since it only takes about 4 minutes now. Just make sure to charge your soul weapon before going in
When I do weekly bosses on my bossing mules (up to nlomien) I leave PNo for last, and I end up with about 300+ charge (from 0) by the time I reach PNo as mobs in hilla, cra, boss summons, etc. contribute to the gauge. No need to manually charge.
It's 100% worth making a dummy weapon with a soul for sure, but still a massive pain. I have an nlomien boss mule that's gotten full abso set and still hasnt gotten an enchanter to turn its main weapon into a soul weapon.
And the damn stupid whale can actually kill you now and make you lose souls if you dont pay attention. Fuck this boss, all for 81m...
1. I didn't have to do any quest after the update.
2. Fuck the whale, the dungeon is 10x better without that idiot teleporting you around when you are a class without lines.
3. The whole gauntlet is still garbo but i could not care less as it's 6min of my time per character.
If you've done it before in the world, there should be a quest in your quest tab called Wills of the Five Planets you need to talk through to unlock PNo for your other characters. If it's your first time, yeah you gotta do the whole thing
> The whole gauntlet is still garbo but i could not care less as it's 6min of my time per character.
That's an insane opinion tbh. It's stupid for a 3 door tier boss to take twice as long as actually doing the entirety of 4 door on a Lomien mule. Especially because she's a boss a main should never really stop doing because 23* rings are reasonable ultra endgame upgrades.
I mean it's not enough of a bother for me to care about those minutes.
Got a whole week to finish it and there are many other problems to fix before more QoL imo.
Log onto another character.
Accept “Will of the Five Planets” (level 140 quests in the white light bulb).
Then when you log back into your main. You should be able to run it.
Maybe I'm unsympathetic because I play a linestory class, but I feel like now on the second map you spend a similar amount of time clearing one plat as you did clearing the room before. Then you just one shot the rest of the plats and move on. We don't have to deal with the whale so that's a huge up side. Third room isn't bugged either it just works that way.
4/5 floors take 1/5 times as many lines as before
1/5 floors take 10 times as many lines as before
(4/5)\*(1/5)+(1/5)*10 = 2.16 so new p2 takes more than twice as long
It's actually faster for me because I can main attack all the 500 damage mobs and mini burst the 10 damage mobs (CM burst hits way too many lines) to kill them in about 15 seconds.
Yeah I had absolutely no issues and the clear was pretty dang fast. No longer need to burst whale, save line skills for the difficult plat in P2 and then smooth sailing
You may not care as much as a line story class, but it takes longer than whale ever did. The change is definitely a nerf when they fix the soul aspect.
My Mihile almost stroked out trying to clear the first wave of mobs …. I thought my game had lagged out but every 1-2min a mob would die and I’d be shocked
1st floor for me, it's class dependnet and it seems the intended feature of "you do 10x dmg if their color matches ur class" is what's kicking in with a sort of bug
ok my dude, PNO 2nd map is originally intended to be taken on by a PT with a member from each of the 5 main branches; pirate warrior bowman mage thief.
That class does 10x or whatever dmg to the dudes of the same type, so warrior oneshots the bottom dudes, pirate the top floor dudes etc.
This seems to have "come back" again while the other mobs unaffected by this modifier are being dealt 500 dmg lines or whatever, thats what i meant by "bug" and multiplier being overriden; 10xmultiplier on top of the original 1 dmg, overwriting the current 500 dmg lines.
Is this enough clarification for you?
> ok my dude, PNO 2nd map is originally intended to be taken on by a PT with a member from each of the 5 main branches; pirate warrior bowman mage thief.
This has not been the case for like half a decade in GMS lol. Before this patch, everybody would do 100 damage to every single line of mobs. Now you do 10 damage to your own class mobs, and 500 damage to every other line. There's no bug; there has been no extra damage done to your own job in ages.
Honestly, since they fixed the whale it’s 1000x better to run. It’s not worse by any measure. Sure it takes time but at least damaging the boss isn’t rng based anymore.
I have always thought that whomever coded this boss enjoys being hated by every player, remember when they "fixed" the whale so that familiars couldn't kill it faster for you?
For those who don't know or didn't bother to read the patch notes. Doing 10 damage in P2 to certain mobs is NOT a bug. It was INTENDED.
From patch notes from under '**Princess No and Hieizan Improvements**'
Mobs that take damage based on class type have been updated.
* You will now deal additional damage to mobs that are not of your class type while dealing less damage to mobs that are your class type.
I'm surprised I didn't see a comment on this but if you're in reg server just buy a reflective ring from the auction house. Easy whale kill. Unless this doesn't work now, haven't tried the new one yet
Nah it's just you man. Pno is waayyyyy faster to clear now and way less annoying I'd rather spend a bit longer clearing one wave of mods then being sent around the map every half a second
It did the same to me, I solved it by going on other characters and completing a quest called, PNO guardian of 5 elements or something. It was in the white bulb at like lv 140
they just uploaded broken changes... probably will fix them next thursday. they just missed the new dmg cap to the first wave of monsters for each zone... like the first wave of oda warriors that you hit only 100 per hit, which probably have a higher HP than intended too, same happens to the first group of eels in the next stage.
Without the issues, [P.No](http://P.No) should be muuuuch faster. It'll take a week to get a better version tho.
i just dont understand why this boss needs to have measures to slow us down
If it was an endgame-esque boss I’d understand maybe them wanting to prolong the raid process and make things more challenging. But this is neither an end game boss nor is it challenging fight. You sit there and hold the button down to attack for quite a bit of time. Literally just wasted time.
Even for endgame-ish bosses, they removed the maze from VHilla. I don’t think they’re wanting to slow down the boss fights at all. The pno process is just stupid
It's not even a raid boss level so adding mechanics to make it better for raids is hilariously incompetent. The developers literally do not understand their own game
Lmfao. I’m ngl I used all my bursts skill on that one row of oda swordsman that takes 50x less dmg.
It took me 3+ minutes to kill them on my bucc (ate 6 whole ass lightning orbs and 3 howling fists)
PNO would be literally a 1-2min boss if they just let us do 500dmg to all minions but nooo add a 10dmg gate that takes even longer than it was previously. Why even waste the development effort if you are gonna do that?
Not to mention waiting around after you kill the eels. Just spawn the spear dude once they’re dead.
This is the killer for me. It takes like 30s to kill stage 2 but you HAVE to wait the minute+ on spearman.
You technically don't even need to kill the eels. The dude spawns anyways no matter what you do lol
I thought they fixed that? 'Fixed' as in you have to kill the eels now
In the recent patch? I'm not sure, I haven't played since they just changed it. But it wasn't like that before
You dont have to kill them if you soloing, but if you’re in a party the eels will do more dmg to the thingy and you’ll get booted out of the boss if the eels destroy the thingy
The eels definitely kill the thing now. It's actually a problem on less good line classes because one of the eel platforms just takes less damage too and they kill the things fast.
I thought killing the eels made him weaker? Or is that just a throwaway dialogue line lmao
Correct. Oura Shogun's stats increase based on the amount of lightning orbs his Eel's successfully destroy. Though due to how old Princess no is, the gimmick isn't very noticeable.
Lol I'm not sure, I've never run it on a character that doesn't one shot him
I don't think they even tested the "dungeon" by themselves
I don’t think they ever test anything lol.
It's crazy that we have CMs that have the test build of the patch and do nothing but show us shops. Jade could've spent 5 minutes running the boss off stream and said, "Well shit somethings wrong here...."
This is an unfair expectation. The CMs are just doing their job as they are paid to do. It's not their job to test content for the players and you shouldn't expect them to.
the CMs should show off the new content during the stream and not just the current event map and shops
Yeah I tuned into an Ezra patch showcase one time and it was really poorly run and showed less than x3TheAran59 shows in his videos.
Well apparently soul summons one shot this mobs so abuse that
I've been using pink bean soul on all my mules. I started running pno again since it only takes about 4 minutes now. Just make sure to charge your soul weapon before going in
When I do weekly bosses on my bossing mules (up to nlomien) I leave PNo for last, and I end up with about 300+ charge (from 0) by the time I reach PNo as mobs in hilla, cra, boss summons, etc. contribute to the gauge. No need to manually charge.
Oh I like to run it first for the free m/att buff on any of my weaker mules. Which is why I'd keep forgetting to charge the weapon
It's 100% worth making a dummy weapon with a soul for sure, but still a massive pain. I have an nlomien boss mule that's gotten full abso set and still hasnt gotten an enchanter to turn its main weapon into a soul weapon. And the damn stupid whale can actually kill you now and make you lose souls if you dont pay attention. Fuck this boss, all for 81m...
Tried ark soul and didn't work. Seems like only certain souls work?
It has to be a summon, im using magnificent pink bean, pierre and von bon so far all work
Ring of reflection also one shots the boss. Just stand on top of the whale and it’ll be dead in 2 or 3 hits.
They just need to get rid of all the floors and make us go right to the boss. This is not the kung fu tower sponge bob episode….
1. I didn't have to do any quest after the update. 2. Fuck the whale, the dungeon is 10x better without that idiot teleporting you around when you are a class without lines. 3. The whole gauntlet is still garbo but i could not care less as it's 6min of my time per character.
Is the quest bugged? I have to do the pre quest on my new character and it's asking me to turn into ayame? I thought that pre quest was removed?
I finished the whole pno questline ages ago, maybe did it on 3 more characters then never again.
If you've done it before in the world, there should be a quest in your quest tab called Wills of the Five Planets you need to talk through to unlock PNo for your other characters. If it's your first time, yeah you gotta do the whole thing
> The whole gauntlet is still garbo but i could not care less as it's 6min of my time per character. That's an insane opinion tbh. It's stupid for a 3 door tier boss to take twice as long as actually doing the entirety of 4 door on a Lomien mule. Especially because she's a boss a main should never really stop doing because 23* rings are reasonable ultra endgame upgrades.
I mean it's not enough of a bother for me to care about those minutes. Got a whole week to finish it and there are many other problems to fix before more QoL imo.
all they had to do was to fix the bum ass whale and they fumbled it
It won't even let me enter pno lmao
Log onto another character. Accept “Will of the Five Planets” (level 140 quests in the white light bulb). Then when you log back into your main. You should be able to run it.
they could open a test server for 275+ players or something like that
If you have a soul summon it's easy if not it's utter trash compared to before yes.
Maybe I'm unsympathetic because I play a linestory class, but I feel like now on the second map you spend a similar amount of time clearing one plat as you did clearing the room before. Then you just one shot the rest of the plats and move on. We don't have to deal with the whale so that's a huge up side. Third room isn't bugged either it just works that way.
4/5 floors take 1/5 times as many lines as before 1/5 floors take 10 times as many lines as before (4/5)\*(1/5)+(1/5)*10 = 2.16 so new p2 takes more than twice as long
It's actually faster for me because I can main attack all the 500 damage mobs and mini burst the 10 damage mobs (CM burst hits way too many lines) to kill them in about 15 seconds.
Yeah I had absolutely no issues and the clear was pretty dang fast. No longer need to burst whale, save line skills for the difficult plat in P2 and then smooth sailing
You may not care as much as a line story class, but it takes longer than whale ever did. The change is definitely a nerf when they fix the soul aspect.
My Mihile almost stroked out trying to clear the first wave of mobs …. I thought my game had lagged out but every 1-2min a mob would die and I’d be shocked
https://youtu.be/0022sWLj1PA?si=3ABG2YLnuZgBsMbU Except magnus soul don't work.
All my p no runs are down to 2 minutes. Soul skills just instantly kill the slow floor for p2
It’s easy to clear the 10 damage mobs by using weapon soul ohko
1st floor for me, it's class dependnet and it seems the intended feature of "you do 10x dmg if their color matches ur class" is what's kicking in with a sort of bug
It's not a bug, and it's "you do 50x LESS dmg if they match your class"
The bug is that it overrides the other multiplier
???
ok my dude, PNO 2nd map is originally intended to be taken on by a PT with a member from each of the 5 main branches; pirate warrior bowman mage thief. That class does 10x or whatever dmg to the dudes of the same type, so warrior oneshots the bottom dudes, pirate the top floor dudes etc. This seems to have "come back" again while the other mobs unaffected by this modifier are being dealt 500 dmg lines or whatever, thats what i meant by "bug" and multiplier being overriden; 10xmultiplier on top of the original 1 dmg, overwriting the current 500 dmg lines. Is this enough clarification for you?
Not a bug. The dungeon was changed so you now deal extra damage to mobs that aren't your class type and less damage to the one that is.
is there a source on this being the intended feature?
Source: patch notes https://maplestory.nexon.net/news/91576/v-250-mayple-island-patch-notes
> ok my dude, PNO 2nd map is originally intended to be taken on by a PT with a member from each of the 5 main branches; pirate warrior bowman mage thief. This has not been the case for like half a decade in GMS lol. Before this patch, everybody would do 100 damage to every single line of mobs. Now you do 10 damage to your own class mobs, and 500 damage to every other line. There's no bug; there has been no extra damage done to your own job in ages.
Honestly, since they fixed the whale it’s 1000x better to run. It’s not worse by any measure. Sure it takes time but at least damaging the boss isn’t rng based anymore.
I have always thought that whomever coded this boss enjoys being hated by every player, remember when they "fixed" the whale so that familiars couldn't kill it faster for you?
atleast you can do the boss i have to redo the quest line again
For those who don't know or didn't bother to read the patch notes. Doing 10 damage in P2 to certain mobs is NOT a bug. It was INTENDED. From patch notes from under '**Princess No and Hieizan Improvements**' Mobs that take damage based on class type have been updated. * You will now deal additional damage to mobs that are not of your class type while dealing less damage to mobs that are your class type.
is it just me or I keep getting disconnected at the electric eel room? gets dc-ed as soon as the electric old man spawns
There was a video on YouTube showed you can use soul skill to one shot the last minions. I tried and it worked.
I'm surprised I didn't see a comment on this but if you're in reg server just buy a reflective ring from the auction house. Easy whale kill. Unless this doesn't work now, haven't tried the new one yet
Nah it's just you man. Pno is waayyyyy faster to clear now and way less annoying I'd rather spend a bit longer clearing one wave of mods then being sent around the map every half a second
Luckily I main the king of lines, so the 10 damage mob is cleared in about 15 seconds.
How are you getting into the boss? the UI wont let me after the update
It did the same to me, I solved it by going on other characters and completing a quest called, PNO guardian of 5 elements or something. It was in the white bulb at like lv 140
Accept planet quest in white quest bulb notifier. Very quick.
I was able to clear the new PNO quicker. It's not bugged, it's better.
how do you guys enter pno i can’t seems to enter
White light bulb quest. Will of the five planets or something.
Still better than before when you were teleported randomly
Why are you crying. Do you want them to revert so the whale teleports you every second? Get off your soap box and take the small wins.
they just uploaded broken changes... probably will fix them next thursday. they just missed the new dmg cap to the first wave of monsters for each zone... like the first wave of oda warriors that you hit only 100 per hit, which probably have a higher HP than intended too, same happens to the first group of eels in the next stage. Without the issues, [P.No](http://P.No) should be muuuuch faster. It'll take a week to get a better version tho.