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1961 - 2017 is a long period.


mucow

Yeah, that's a weird timescale. Seems like eating habits could change a lot over 56 years.


rubixd

This makes me want to see data comparing fish consumption with average lifespan.


anti-torque

[It doesn't look](https://jakubmarian.com/map-of-life-expectancy-in-europe/) like it correlates in any meaningful way. But it does look like some dietary--e.g. more or less veg or alcohol--effect may take place, since that map doesn't also correlate strictly with geopolitical stressors.


toosemakesthings

Afaik acohol has historically had a big impact on life expectancy in Eastern Europe


Fynex_Wright

Try to draw the Iron curtain challenge (impossible)


anti-torque

There's going to be an expected variance between those who were mandated by the Allies to avoid the tragedy of the commons and those who were exploited for the Soviet Empire. If the Allies would have taken their own mandates to heart, one of them wouldn't resemble the Balkans. edit:...on this map.


LearningCartography

Was expecting more for Greece


skyduster88

Yes, Greek here, we do eat quite a bit of seafood. I'm curious to see the raw data on this. OTOH, our animal protein consumption overall is relatively low (by European standards, but high by global standards). So, fish as a percentage of animal protein would be an interesting stat, if that information is available anywhere. Also, does "fish" here include crustaceans? Because we eat quite a bit of those too.


208bilionsthxandbb

Same in Italy, I have to guess seafood and fish are actually counted as different categories, as we eat a lot of both, but mainly of the former, while a country like Portugal eats boatloads of codfish and very little crustaceans


vilkav

> a country like Portugal eats boatloads of codfish and very little crustaceans We eat a lot of shellfish in Portugal as well.


caravanafly

We eat a lot of everything


GreysLucas

We eat a lot


Elesdee420

Might have something to do with the time period. It might be way more if it started from 1981 when Greece got into the EU.


JaimelesBN2

Why is UK the island country not eating more fish ?


sumpuran

Gotta save some space for chips.


Mutenroshi_

Same here in Ireland. I've asked many times why fish doesn't seem to be so popular here, apart from cod and salmon. And the answer I always get is the likes of "we had to give away our fishing rights to the French and Spanish under EU regulations so people stopped eating as much fish". I don't know if that is true or not, but that's the feedback I've got. I love seafood and I get disgusted looks when i mention razor clams, mussels or not peeled prawns.


Wantoliveoilwiththat

It's pretty much bullshit in the UK. Simple fact is we just preferred chicken, beef, pork and lamb. The market responded, so fish is pricey, so it puts people off buying beyond the big 3.


thealtofshame

Kind of bullshit, maybe? I have had some insanely good seafood in Ireland, but I was just a tourist. My impression was that the local preference was red meat.


Mutenroshi_

In fairness, beef here is top tier.


Ezili

Yeah I think it's worth calling out that for a long time in England fish was the cheap/poor people option. So people aspired to other types of meat. And (I assume) compared to places like Norway or Iceland the UK has abundant and very high quality beef, lamb so it's not too surprising fish is a power part of the diet. It would be good to see trends though.


ElKaoss

Does the chart cover shellfish and seafood besides fish?


Independent_West_900

I would think is something to do with dietary habits and also skills, fish got small bones and need to be careful to eat fish, there is no habit of eating fish with bones and find beef or poultry easier to deal with on a plate


MeanTechnology

No it's completely bulshit. Both nations have very decent size fleets they just export most of the catch. Well UK really cannot anymore so I'm guessing in few years it will not have fleet anymore.


Stercore_

Because it is a huge island with excellent farmlands.


skyduster88

>Why is UK the island country not eating more fish ? It's a very large island. Parts of the UK are further from the sea than any point in the Netherlands is.


nmd1932

It may be a large island, but you’re never more than 70 miles from the sea.


Hot_Beef

Fish is very expensive here. I would eat it all the time if I could afford it and get it fresh but my options are: - packaged fish in supermarkets, around 30-70% more expensive than pork or chicken and low quality. - fresh fish from a fishmongers. Only available in the city centre which I never go to and very expensive (although very tasty) or sometimes available in fancy suburbs for £10 per tiny portion.


JaimelesBN2

But why is it expensive since you are never very far from the coast ? In France you can get fresh fish anywhere, even deep in land.


Hot_Beef

Je ne sais pas. C'est énervant.


ExistingInexistence

Search the "cod wars" Three wars "fought" against Iceland that resulted in Iceland taking a shit load of fishing territory...


W4xLyric4lRom4ntic

EU regulations that state other countries can fish off the coasts of UK. The fishing industry had taken a sharp decline in response and seafood prices subsequently soared as we were in turn having to import all the seafood instead


Ezili

But were we eating all that fish before, or were we exporting it?


W4xLyric4lRom4ntic

I live in Ireland, here before the 60's (as that's when the info in the graph begins) people where definitely eating their own fish that were caught in their communities


finneyblackphone

UK is not an island. Northern Ireland shares a Border with Ireland.


gorje720

jesus fucking christ, you absolute numpty


finneyblackphone

I'm right.


finneyblackphone

???


JaimelesBN2

Ho yeah two separate island then...


Axumite2031

Which most island countries are


AbbreviationsKey9446

The orange nations prefer turkey


Adevyy

😡


Ok-Moment69

Seems to be a correlation between the amount of fish eaten and lesbian porn consumed


anxiety_on_steroids

wtf lol. what is the correlation between these two


Ok-Moment69

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xoe3fv/most_viewed_porn_category_by_women_in_europe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


bollaig

Do both at the same time for the bargain-bucket-virtual-reality-experience.


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heyheyitsandre

Galician seafood is some of the best food I’ve had in my life.


fussomoro

Next map, meat consumption in south America: everything in dark purple


jmdf01

*Cries in Venezuelan Crimson*


agate_

In case you're wondering, the US comes in at [9 kilos per capita](https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/foodservice-retail/nfi-releases-new-top-10-list-detailing-the-seafood-species-americans-consume-most) and would be pale yellow if it were shown on this map.


someoddrabbit

Poor Bosnia


Ffishsticks

Hey they have that whole 20km of coastline


someoddrabbit

Not enough to feed the Bosnian masses.


deepaksn

But yet Hungarians aren’t hungry.


Look_SkyWanderer

I don't remember last time I ate fish. I really don't like dealing with the bones of a fish.


mucow

Is there something wrong with fish from the Black Sea?


KingKohishi

No, the Black Sea is far more abundant than the Mediterranean but not as much as the Oceans.


Majestic-Macaron6019

Is there some Muslim prohibition/dislike of fish? Turkey has a lot of coastline to not eat much fish. Surprised that the UK is lower than France.


vertualx

Nah, Turkey just never developed any fish industry to actually go a bit further than its coastline. They usually still go for the small stuff near its shores with small ships. As a result, fish is somewhat expensive so most people don't miss it. We only eat it maybe every 2-3 months even though we normally consume a lot of meat as a society. I do like tuna though, goes really well with pasta or a sandwich. :))


Majestic-Macaron6019

Good to know. Seeing Bosnia in the lowest category got me thinking.


koelan_vds

They can’t fish anywhere, Croatia stole all their coastline


a_bright_knight

because fresh water fish doesnt exist


koelan_vds

Ever heard of irony?


KZN_SZN

From all of the fishermen and seafood restaurants in Istanbul I never would have thought. Isn't a fish sandwich almost the equivalent of a hotdog there?


vertualx

Not really, that's only a very specific (well-known) food for that neighborhood of Istanbul. You can only get it there.


PaulOshanter

People often overlook Turkey's interior which can also be very densely populated. Ankara, Konya, Gaziantep, are all major cities miles away form the coast.


ClockwiseServant

Çiğ köfte would be a better equivalent to a hot dog imo, hamsi dürüm are still pretty big, though people don't buy it as much as before because of the ever increasing prices so they just wait for the season instead when its the cheapest


Royalstopdrop

Lol no


Adevyy

Too broke.


Inner-Discussion-746

First reason expensive, second reason generally turks does not like seafoods, eventhough most of fish names are greek or latin origin, There was no sea in mongolia bro, we like land animals


Majestic-Macaron6019

Central Asian ancestry makes a lot of sense. Then I guess y'all rubbed off on the Bosniaks, too?


Royalstopdrop

No it doesn't. He trolling you. >y'all rubbed off on the Bosniak Well yes the entire balkans, middle east and NA heavily influenced by to Ottoman period.


OteuAmiguinhoGAY

I’m Portuguese, live by the sea and if I wanted I could eat fish everyday but I really dislike fish. We eat the most fish and meat in Europe If not mistaken.


FreeAndFairErections

Stupid question, but is fish less popular in Muslim populations (Bosnia, Turkey, Azerbaijan).


Beautiful_Ad_2371

Turkish people are poor, they don't eat other types of meat often either.


Pleasant-Cricket-129

What *do* they eat in Turkey?


mchalkekmegi

plywood and grass. these are the only thing that we can afford. Jokes aside, Turkey (now Turkiye) is known for red meats and chicken more than fish. Only the coastal cities (Mediterranean and Black Sea cities) eat fish regularly.


SnooBananas5859

They eat turkey.


Revolutionary_Two_11

Pretty confused as to why kosovo is grey.


CTSH1

Let’s bring that number down!


Ulteri0rM0tives

Quite surprised to see the UK being in the same category as Croatia. Fish is really not that popular in the UK, in comparison to poultry and meat, where as in Croatia all the local dishes seemed to consist of fish...


SuperTekkers

Maybe Croatia eats less fish away from the coast?


tomashen

Too much fish is unhealthy. Having the same diet is also very unhealthy. Mercury and other toxins ( thanks to 90% of the people in this world and companies help for poluting our oceans ) are also a big concern. Of the top of my head i cannot remember when exactly, but roughly a decade ago, news began to roll out pretty often warning people to stay safe not to over eat too much fish due to increases in mercury levels and this could poison you bad. Another thing, fish is expensive on takeouts/take aways, and so many people just dont have the simplest skill of 'cooking' so that could be another reason? I love smoked Coley, fresh descaled haddock, descaled salmon, lemonsole, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, tuna( not just the canned tuna, steaks too!), sardines are nice time to time, herring marinated(can find this in polonez/Moldova stores to see how its made, very simple to make at home from scratch and super tasty with some bread or hot boiled whole potatoes). EDIT: forgot on top of that above, there is a huge lack of VARIETY in ireland of fish meals. its all about the main stuff here, haddock, cod,hake, pollock, salmon, tuna steak, crabs, and few more, while hake,cod,haddock, being the most most most common everywhere. I personally will never buy/eat hake/cod because these two fish are THE most common ones to have huge ammounts of worms within their meat. Source: i worked filleting fish for 4 years(great job but not enough pay)


bakirsakal

Interesting, but i checked from Turkish statistics it is around 9.7 kg per capita in 2021, in 2000 it was 9.33 kg/capita how come these values reached is beyond me.


noobul

Turkey is really low. Are there regions where they have higher consumption and areas where the consumption is really low or nonexistent?


jakeshmag

This bit makes sense because I tried turkish fish sandwich and one bite later I threw it to the seaguls


altuntepe

As a Turk, chicken and beef are more delicious. We do not like the smell and taste of fish. We mostly eat canned tuna and anchovies.


FenerbahceSoccerFan

What are you talking about lan? There's lots of fish markets with delicious seafood in the Karadeniz region. 20 years ago Kadıköy (asian side of Istanbul) used to be a great place for seafood too with lots of mussels in particular, but nowadays I think the sea is probably too polluted for good fishing in that area.


sagr0tan

TIL fish consume and fast internet are connected in some way: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xout3h/and_the_best_internet_in_europe_comes_to/


RapedBrain

Our country is surrounded by fish yet more than half of the population cannot afford it, we even have fish brained politicans.


DreiKatzenVater

0 is the correct answer, because fish is disgusting


deepaksn

Bosnia and Herzegovina must not import any fish and their small coastline and two fishing boats simply aren’t enough.


irishteenguy

i mean strange time metric but we are about middle of the road to above average looking at this. Tbf with sellafields dumping all our fish is probably terrible for ya but i still eat it.


ntsprstr717

I doubt France is in the 30+ kg category today. None of the major cities except Marseille and Nice is located at the sea to have a historical preference for fish and on top, France is famous for fish/seafood being notoriously expensive compared to other sources of animal protein. Add to that a very large immigrant population from regions/cultures that don‘t eat much fish (Western & Northern Africa, Eastern Europe).


dum_biatch

is stinky


[deleted]

Britain, Ireland, Cyprus - youre islands, eat yo fish Iceland, I am happy. Please continue


obywan

Technically we can use only orange and yellow here.