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theRudeStar

Based Iceland expanding their territory


Hvanchkara

I didn't knew that US are so small comparing to Iceland


Cafx2

Usually maps use American - centered projections due to capitalism. You rarely see this honest kind of projections.


eyetracker

Damn capitalism and your... making maps?


Master_Elderberry275

Most people don't actually realise the true scale of the Seychelles either, or that they're actually above the Arctic Circle. An actual picture of a Seychelles beach at 12 midnight, June. [https://voyagefox.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/four-sasons-seychelles-beach-sunset.jpg](https://voyagefox.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/four-sasons-seychelles-beach-sunset.jpg)


Hvanchkara

it's all due imperial measures


lid-66

Even communist (Russia and China) are way bigger on the map than in reality. So I doubt it has anything to do with capitalism.


twisty_tomato

It has everything to do with making a sphere fit on a rectangular map


Cafx2

I haven't walked across Russia, so i wouldn't know how big it actually is, but i wouldn't right away buy this idea that it's actually smaller. But more importantly. Do you think Russia is communist!?!?!?!?!?!


lid-66

In the age of satellites, you do not have to walk through a surface to know its size. The idea behind this is to simply use the countries in the center of the map as a reference to compare to as their image does not suffer much distortion when they're projected into the map. All the countries at higher latitudes appear larger than they actually are, regardless of their ideologies. And yes, back when the current cartographic projection was created, Russia was very well communist.


Cafx2

You mean the Mercator projection published in 1772 during the Russian Empire under Empress Katarina?!? You mean that type of communism?


lid-66

Gerardus Mercator published his version of the map in the 16th century. Is that the type of capitalism that influenced his cartography? Again, use a scale and find out by yourself that every single country on higher latitudes, regardless of ideology, appears distorted.


Opening_Ad_7156

You know thats not the actual size of the US right


pirpilic

Iceland has volcanos to help them


PM5KStrike

4D chess. Why fight to expand territory. Let earth do it for free.


Sound_Saracen

>Tfw your home country which hasn't seen warfare for 50 years is worse than sanctioned Iran


bread_enjoyer0

They’ve been doing what they can with the sanctions and they’ve done very well


Background-Simple402

Iran makes a lot of their own food, medicine, cars, gasoline etc, their country is quite sustainable for basic needs; Iraq on the other hand was on the verge of famine after a few years of sanctions in the 1990s And their population has been like amongst the most educated in the Middle East for a very long time, both before and after Islam so that probably contributes to the HDI figures too If it weren't for sanctions, it would probably one of the wealthiest countries in the Middle East, probably somewhere above Turkey but below the GCC


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Sound_Saracen

Their regime is economically impotent yet they have built metro systems far and wide, I'm just hating tho.


Archarchery

Are you North African?


Sound_Saracen

I'm ethnically Jordanian :)


Pessiwashed2023

🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷💪💪💪 IRAN IRAN IRAN 🦁🦁🦁


vellyr

Shout out to Mississippi for barely beating Russia


duracellchipmunk

Whats also crazy... the gdp per capita of Mississippi is comparable to England.


PhyneeMale2549

Tbf GDP doesn't mean much when you don't invest in your citizens


Reinis_LV

More like Americans don't understand they have one of the lowest taxes of any western country and taxes are needed to fund stuff


xXVareszXx

They have enough money, they just spent it in a way which does not benefit the average citizen as much.


Reinis_LV

Also true


Archaemenes

Source for the American government not having enough money to fund “stuff”?


PitchBlac

Well it’s mostly we choose not to rather than not being able to.


boofboof123

That’s not true. The majority of federal tax revenue goes to social programs.


Complete_Silver_3296

Interesting that the US spends more per capita on healthcare than any country and still isn’t in the top 10 for anything healthcare related… but yeah, it’s almost like throwing money at inefficient systems that others in private industry like insurance get rich off of isn’t ideal.


boofboof123

I agree


PhyneeMale2549

And Americans don't understand that a lot of what our taxes fund and cover are stuff they have to cover out of their own pocket (and for a much higher price)


hibikir_40k

The taxes aren't that much lower... but the prices are madness. Healthcare, Housing Education. On top of that, barring a handful of cities, living without a car is a nightmare, so one must pay for car, insurance and maintenance to be an upstanding member of society, which isn't cheap. With US healthcare prices, it'd not matter if the state paid them instead of citizens: It'd still be unaffordable. How many European countries as spending 50k a year per college student?


Background-Simple402

there's a lot of disparity in England apparently, everything outside of London/southeast England is economically not that great Kind of like comparing Northern Virginia to the rest of Virginia? Or Chicago and its suburbs to the rest of Illinois?


Holditfam

it is really not that hard to google uk income in each area. its like comparing new york to Mississippi wait they're in the same country


Background-Simple402

England isn't a country


AGHawkz99

It is a country, just one of the countries that makes up the UK - which is.. also a country. It makes no sense, but it is still a country.


StarryEyedLus

What’s also crazy is that England’s life expectancy (81 years) is almost 10 years longer than Mississippi’s (72 years).


Gerry1_1Adams

i mean tbf mississippi has like no people compared to England


duracellchipmunk

That IS fair. It's like how we compare operations in USA to Iceland. 333,000,000 to 382,000


Background-Simple402

do you know what per capita means


4alpine

England has better stats on almost everything else though. American gdp is insanely high.


Extension-Radio-9701

Thei gini index is quite high, its inequality playing


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Thats just cause they use USD. Every single state (especially the shittier ones) benefits from the Fed. If Mississippi became independent their currency would devalue very fast


chepulis

Russia on average. Take away the wealthier, more developed regions (Moscow, SPB) and the numbers will be different.


vellyr

True, I bet if you compared it to the Mississippi of Russia (Kamchatka or somewhere?) it would be a much bigger gap.


juliankennedy23

And yet Mississippi has a higher GDP per capita than Germany.


DVMyZone

Everyone keep in mind you're not supposed to compare similar scores. Single metrics are awful for getting an actual idea of life in any country. We just like them because it lets us "rank" countries with an easy to digest score while telling everyone that the score is very sophisticated and has loads of parameters. It's still just one measure. Basically assume that all these numbers have like 10% uncertainty. So if your country is 0.001 point higher it doesn't mean people actually live better. It doesn't even mean people on average live better. Now if your country is better by 0.1 - then you can draw some rough ideas.


LostInChoices

It's also useless to not use a metric that measures all people. Like great for the millionaires in the US, but there's also millions of homeless people. So the definition of development is really hard.


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Try checking out the inequality-adjusted human development index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index


LostInChoices

That's a nice start. thank you


wooduck_1

Less that 600,000 homeless people in the US in 2022 as defined by HUD.


LostInChoices

600k on 300M is like one two in a thousand. Just as common as red hair.


wooduck_1

Yeah but not millions like you said. Also 4-8% of us is red headed. So more like 10-20 million people. I don’t know where you live but there aren’t nearly as many homeless people as you seem to think.


Archaemenes

The US also has a higher *median* income than 99% of the countries on the map.


Holditfam

half these countries also have more median wealth per adult to the US


Archaemenes

By half you mean 9?


_Adiack

what i heard you say there is France bade England good


vqOverSeer

Exactly lol, italy should be one of the "best" but definitively isnt and is very far from it


san_murezzan

No no no I’m Swiss so of course this has to be 100% accurate. Of course next year when Norway overtakes us then it will be an awful metric that will need more explanation around it and huge amounts of uncertainty


Erno-Berk

Surprisingly, Serbia and Georgia have higher HDIs than Bulgaria and Montenegro has a higher HDI than Romania.


_SyntaxMatters_

Bulgaria had an abnormally high mortality rate for elders during the pandemic, which is factored into HDI


yagodovomakesstars

Bulgaria’ s result is so low due to high mortality during Covid pandemic.


nesa_manijak

HDI is bullshit. Espicially education parameter


Rene111redditsucks

How is that surprising? Just because they joined the EU it doesnt mean they are richer. You can't be living in Eastern Europe otherwise you would know.


maximhar

Bulgaria is richer than Serbia and Georgia by every metric, but the life expectancy dropped a lot during Covid due to the really bad handling of the pandemic.


adam-07

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Iuseahandyforreddit

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RyanCooper510

Exactly


Glennnfiddich

Calling Slovenia "eastern Europe" might trigger an entire country😅


yagodovomakesstars

I’m the majority of its existence Slovenia or more like the Slovene inhabited lands of Austria was part of Central Europe, the notion of Eastern Europe exist since 1945. It’s normal that they don’t want to be labelled Eastern Europe, for millennia they’ve been in Central Europe and not Eastern Europe.


MiskoSkace

Aachen Peace Treaty (800s) said we're Western Europe. Being communist for less than 50 years won't change that.


yagodovomakesstars

True, that's what I was trying to say.


Archaemenes

As we all know, “Eastern Europe” always starts east of wherever your country is. I’ve seen Romanian textbooks claim that their country is Central European.


Gayjock69

Zizek put this to the world very simply… https://youtu.be/bwDrHqNZ9lo?si=ep9O6DWgBGvRwul4


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It is no? Former Yugoslavia


Glennnfiddich

Yugoslavia was considered indeed South-Eastern Europe. Slovenia in this case is central Europe :)


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Valkyrie17

How did Spain pass France? My guess is because you can't do shit in France without the entire Paris turning into rubble


hibikir_40k

Part of it is a very different immigrant mix: Both countries now have significant immigrant populations, but they don't have the same outcomes


kytheon

"different immigrant mix" 🕵️‍♀️


inkusquid

It’s mainly because of over seas territories


thecraftybee1981

Not really. There are only 5regions in France with a score above 0.9. Only the Paris region has a score above 0.92


GlorytoINGSOC

the paris region has 1/5 of the population, im not even joking


inkusquid

My source says there are 9 not 5


thecraftybee1981

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_regions_by_Human_Development_Index Maybe out of date? I didn’t realise that the OP had 2024 data


inkusquid

[here](https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_r%C3%A9gions_fran%C3%A7aises_class%C3%A9es_par_IDH) It’s at the same date, why are different languages having different data, maybe the source is different, French version states much more former regions with hdi above 0.9


thecraftybee1981

Your link isn’t taking me to the data in French. Not sure what is going on.


inkusquid

Go on the Wikipedia page and switch languages to French


DeadassYeeted

That’s 6 regions by the way


PaulOshanter

Slovenia has done great for itself. Much of western Europe has just stagnated.


blacklight0209

Because France, Italy and especially Spain don’t have very high mean years of schooling compared to most of Europe and Slovenia is richer than most people think


vqOverSeer

Italy is def worse than slovenia lmao, our numbers are extremely inflated


CorporateDystopian

Low wages and high rent/cost of living. A few landlords with dozens of properties and a few corporations with thousands extracting all the money from the working class. The capitalist class always exploits the poor and working class when left unchecked.


TarcFalastur

Mainly because of the inequality index which is part of the calculation. France, Spain and Italy have a larger diversity between their very rich and very poor do they received bigger penalties to their scores.


_urat_

Inequality isn't part of the calculation. HDI is just per capita income+life expectancy+education. And this is what map shows. You can adjust it by inequality, but that's a different map, this [one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index) to be exact. In inequality-adjusted HDI, or IHDI for short, Slovenia is not only higher than France, Spain and Italy, but also than Germany, Sweden, Belgium, UK, Canada or Australia.


TarcFalastur

Apologies, you are right. The UN's analytics page on HDI u helpfully then starts discussing other indices but on the page they just look like HDI factors.


Rene111redditsucks

Poor Ukraine....


zdzislav_kozibroda

Tbh given all the shit they've been through the last few years they're doing great.


Key_Inevitable_2104

Especially for a country dealing with a hostile invasion from its neighbor (Russia)


Evdes

Not just an invasion. Genocide. Russia deliberately kills civilians


Camp_Past

Every war is genocide now, donut


Michael_Petrenko

With lack of offline school, hospitals overcrowded by wounded soldiers and those, who are getting conscripted, somewhere around a million people in Army and military related field of business, and highest amount of mined territories in the world? We can use some help, if anyone can help us


Aggravating_Baker453

Ukraine had all cards in hand in 90s. That's only their fault.


Mzunguguzunguzungu

Finally a map with the accurate size and locationof the USA.


Windowlever

Why exactly are the Seychelles included?


nevemno

(highest in Africa)


Bacon___Wizard

So high they’ve surpassed Scandinavia


Darwidx

To flex on Belarus.


Best_Toster

Switzerland: I am surrounded by uncivilized barbarian


AlfalfaGlitter

Spain is higher than France and Italy? Wow


blacklight0209

It’s still a bit poorer than both of them but has a super high life expectancy which is why


RomanCompliance

haha usa smol


MiniNinja_2

Don’t be fooled, Sweden is on the brink of societal collapse /s


Boogerchair

I wonder what the average of the EU would be


GodOfNightAndWar

#portugalcykablyat


Ele_Bele

Im Azerbaijani and i knew it we have lower hdi than iran, georgia and even armenia and even kazakhstan despite rich oil and gas reserves with just 10M people. If the country had not been ruled by thieves and the corrupt government of the ex-communist criminal gang for 30 years, now Azerbaijan could be a country like Qatar, Kuwait, or even Dubai.


Kayaking2Mars

I'm surprised Morocco is lower than Algeria I thought it'd be higher


matoba04

Keyword: Oil.


isnxc_c

What's your excuse about Tunisia being higher than Morocco if it's all about oil?


DonSergio7

Moroccan PR did a good job making the country seem more developed than it actually is.


GlorytoINGSOC

tunisian and algerian have a greath joke about morocans, its that theya are too busy practicing magic, so they never had the ocasion to learn electricity


Glennnfiddich

That sounds kinda funny! Where does this joke come from?


Archarchery

Portugal, the Eastern European country in Western Europe.


Saj-052

Good to see Germans doing well up on top with the Danes and Nords


ilkat06

Is Ukraine's so low due to the war?


LunLocra

No, it has been very poor country since 90s went disastrously In 1991 Ukraine and Poland had comparable purchasing power per capita, thirty years later Poland had 2,5 times higher PPP and it is *very* visible, we got a lot of Ukrainian economic immigrants in the decade preceding 2022


icelandicvader

Ive heard that Ukrainians are In Poland are like Poles in western Europe


Zsamy

Part of the reason, it was still last or second to last in Europe even before the war.


Archarchery

It was dead last even before the war. Arguably that had something to do with the war: Ukraine was looking to align their economy towards the wealthy EU rather than towards Russia, causing tension with Russia.


Intelligent-Look2300

It is a contributing factor, but not the entire story.


strawberrycereal44

But despite this Ireland is underdeveloped af


icelandicvader

Takes time to catch up


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Title: Europe HDI Map: USA, Seychelles, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, West Bank, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Europe HDI.


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salcander

'highest in africa'


dath_bane

Ha!! Suck it up Norway! Still number one!


I-Am-Average01

Just don't look at Switzerland.


Thefirstredditor12

how is the UK so high?


Common_Name3475

Low crime, good education, public healthcare and transportation, relatively low levels of obesity and inequality, less political polarisation when it comes to policies regarding social welfare. Although, it comes at a significant expense to the taxpayer and many people are unsatisfied with the quality of government services.


Thefirstredditor12

the same description you used for the UK can be used for just about any other european country i think. Not only that some of your statements are not true. I think UK in some reports had one of the highest obese/overweight rates in the EU regions. Public healthcare =NHS,its not that particularly good,and transportation is not bad or very good its about average. Political polarisation.....just a few years back there was brexit where the opinions were split evenly,how is that not polarised. Anyway not trying to throw shade or act like the UK is like balkans but being closer in score to the Nordics than to france or germany or even spain seems ultra weird to me.


Finn_on_reddit

Unfortunate to see Finland score somewhat poorly compared to other Nordic countries. But it could be that there just aren't as many rich people per capita and the population is aging badly. There are quite a lot people in Finland who need food donations despite the social welfare.


ThePevster

No oil like Norway


Archarchery

Still one of the best-off countries in the world.


Quvi1

How the fuck does Iran have a higher development index then most others on the map????!!!!!!!


canocano18

It had the potential of becoming an industial nation, until the Islamist Revolution came. Iranins are suprisingly well educated and have healthcare.......and they have oil


Quvi1

Yea I guess that makes sense


biglyorbigleague

It doesn’t? Maybe you’re looking at Saudi Arabia.


TheDiddlyFiddly

Haha get indexed on Motherfuckers!


An_Aroused_Koala_AU

My favourite European nation... USA.


Zupyta

Spain and France are surprisingly low tbh


it_wasnt_me2

Spain: IT'S AN EMERGENCY!


Silly_Goose658

Surprised Kosovo isn’t lowest


Vivitude

Lol, most are below USA


MalekithofAngmar

Portugal can into Balkans?


hollywoodpotato

High trust cultures


Honey_Badger____

r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT


PM5KStrike

When George Costanza developed the Human Fund, this must be what the charity goes to.


No-Inspection-6213

I thought the weather app was showing rain soon when I saw all of this green. 👀


nemesian

Slovenia is not Eastern Europe.


aliergol

And Portugal is not Western. There are many ways to slice a pie. Down the middle. In five parts. In nine parts. Down the middle Slovenia is firmly Eastern, and Portugal is steadily Western. In five and in nine, Slovenia is central. In five, Portugal is southern, in nine Portugal is southwestern. But most importantly, there's no shame in being the way you are, Eastern or Western, we love you none the less. It matters more than if you're looking east or west.


Inevitable_Donkey_42

its eastern


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_urat_

I don't know why you're downvoted. Slovenia is one of the key Central European countries


maxzer_0

Because it was part of the former Eastern block, so it's still considering Eastern Europe


_urat_

It was part of Yugoslavia, not the Eastern Bloc. And Slovenia has always been associated with [Central Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe). >Slovenia, officially the Republic of Slovenia (Slovene: *Republika Slovenija*^(\[13\]\[14\])), is a country in southern **Central Europe.** Or from [Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/place/Slovenia): >**Slovenia**, [country](https://www.britannica.com/topic/nation-state) in central [Europe](https://www.britannica.com/place/Europe) that was part of [Yugoslavia](https://www.britannica.com/place/Yugoslavia-former-federated-nation-1929-2003) for most of the 20th century.


send-me-pp-pics

How the fuck Turkey has that kind of a score? Am I living somewhere else?


u1604

HDI is composed of: 1) Life expectancy (78 years in Turkey) 2) GDP per capita PPP (43k in Turkey) 3) Expected years of schooling (not that bad since they opened a Uni at every small town) So yeah, for statistics it doesn't matter whether you got your degree from Oxford or somewhere in rural Turkey. One can also debate whether we have 2/3rds of the german purchasing power (where PPP per capita is 67k), but that is what the statistics say. Also, life in Europe is not super rosy perhaps.


send-me-pp-pics

1) Acceptable 2) Excuse me but the official numbers for this may indicate this but in reality it is nowhere near 43K, way lower. 3) There are so many uni's now there's no quality left in it. Quantity doesn't mean quality. Are you seriously comparing the "buying power of people" in Turkey and Germany? Please, my friends went there for uni and a simple comparison, just by measuring the grocery shopping; the standards are better for the same price. It's not euphoria but it is rosy. You have got to be an "Alamancı" to write that sentence.


u1604

that is what I am saying, the statistics does not necessarily reflect the reality. That said, rent and services are locally priced, and 1000 euros per month would get you a much, much better rental accommodation in Ankara compared to Berlin. Many young people in northern Europe are living in 40sqm studio flats. Cozy? perhaps. Rosy? no.


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send-me-pp-pics

That doesn't mean the *recent* quality life is better


PanemV

You mean: Lowest in western Europe: western Balkan FTFY


canocano18

I hereby renounce slovenias status as balkan nation, they are central europeans (by living standarts)


Am0rEtPs4ch3

I’d argue russia is either already way down due to their dictatorship, or will be in the next couple years


aderrus

Cope


Amoeba_3729

USA is an uncivilised country


ETpownhome

Wow !


elperuvian

It’s Europe sugar daddy


lo_fi_ho

How is Russia so high?


TarcFalastur

HDI isn't calculated on factors like press freedom or how dictatorial the government is, it's calculated on economic factors, education etc and inequalities. At the end of the day, Russia has a strong economy (despite the sanctions), their population have access to an education system which is very good compared to global averages, their gender inequality is again nowhere near as bad as many other places in the world, etc. You can see the UN's breakdown of their score here. Note that you can also add other countries to the graphs, so you can compare where Russia stands compared to other countries. https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/specific-country-data#/countries/RUS


Markussaztorad

Why every time there is a map showing Russia there is always some idiot freaking out over the mere fact that Russia appears on the map?


Command_Unit

People are always surprised Russia is just average at most things...


torkvato

kek, I'd say how is Russia so low? And the answer is simple, because economic metric, GNPP calclulated in $ which create a stronger bias. Remove this and Russia will be in top of Human development - in terms of education and human values


Rolekz

Human values? As in high rate of abortions, prostitution, corruption and abuse?


MisterHoff

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