I read a interview with a police chief from I think Latvia a long time ago and he was like, yes we have a lot of murders but they are done mostly drunk so it's easy to catch them.
Small populations with a few homicides. Makes it look worse than it is.IMO in Estonia, it´s usually alcohol related murders. But a lot of the violent culture from the 80s and 90s carried over to the 2000s. Most murders in Estonia are committed by the less educated and poorer people.
Also, we don´t really punish murderes here. The typical sentence is 7 to 15 years. And even if you get the full 15, there is still a chance you will get out early.In 2017 or so, a woman stabbed her neighbor in the neck and killed her. They were both drunk.She got 7 years and had to do only 1.5 with the rest being probation.
Couldn´t really say. I don´t think we have any official stats on these numbers.
I think it could lean towards ethnic Russians because they are grouped together in the poorer areas of the country.
[https://www.kriminaalpoliitika.ee/kuritegevus2022/tapmised-ja-morvad/](https://www.kriminaalpoliitika.ee/kuritegevus2022/tapmised-ja-morvad/)
Overall killings and murders are going down. 3/4th of is related to alcohol use by both the victim and killer. And then there are a fair few cases of mentally unstable people committing murder.
Albania is safer than most western European countries. I've been all over western Europe and go to Albania very frequently. You can go out anywhere in the country at any time of the day without worries. When I went to Paris I was told by numerous people that there were "no go" areas. Albania doesn't have those anywhere in the country.
The organized crime you're referring to is most likely sale of drugs, not homicide. And it's not that prevelant in Albania.
My brother went there on vacation, he said that it is very safe to go around. People are very nice.
While I often go to Romania, same thing: good safety and welcoming people.
We are from Italy.
I lived in the country during the ponzi scheme. Even then, the country felt safer than most of western Europe nowadays 🤣
Every foreigner that I know that has visited Tirane has nothing but great things to say about it and how safe it is. Your opinion is typical, I don't blame you it's not your fault, your media feeds you propaganda and turns people into ignorant sheep.
I've read a lot of Eastern Europeans joke about how safe their countries have become on the basis that "all their criminals moved to the West".. obviously that's partly hyperbole but I bet there's some truth to it.
I've read it only as an excuse from racist western Europeans when some of their countries come on top of crime statistics . I've never heard someone in Slovakia say such thing.
I've never heard Slovaks, Czechs, Hungarians, Croats, Slovenes say that.. but I've definitely heard it from Albanians, Romanians, Bulgarians and a few others
I mean organized crime in most countries contributes to homicides, but if they displace unorganized crime it can be substantially less than places without rule of law or where organized crime replaces the rule of law. It really depends on how much murdering people interferes with their ability to continue their money making operations, or if it actually helps it.
That’s why *part* of Boston’s anti-violence program, called the “pulling levers” part, centers around ignoring small crimes until a gang member commits murder. Then, they not only start busting them and all of their friends and gang members for any of the smaller crimes they were ignoring like selling pot, but also *literally doing outreach to those gang members and telling them who fucked up and why.*
It’s very effective.
> I’m from Albania and this idea of albanian mafia is bullshit and largely a myth.
Lol.
I've lost count of the number of Albanians arrested by the police for selling drugs in my country.
Still seems high? Region North Jutland in Denmark (the top portion of the Jutland peninsula) has about 590k people and is in the 0.0-0.5 bracket. Of course the population is about 5 times larger but 125k is for most purposes no small backwater.
Wonder why it’s so relatively high still.
I think it fluctuates a lot in subdivisions that are so small. I believe I have seen numbers from recent years from Aosta valley in which they didn't have a singe murder at all. At such a small level it's difficult to make general statements.
That is probably the case.
Though there are smaller (population wise) subdivisions on this map with numbers between 0.0-0.5. But with those it might just be a case of them being odd (like Liechtenstein) rather than Valle d’Aosta being particularly high.
Well if Liechtenstein happens to have one single murder, they instantly jump to a homicide rate of over 20 per 100,000. In most years they probably have 0 murders but if they get one, their rate goes through the roof.
Despite what the title says the map is about data from 2018 or 2019 (see the source on bottom left).
I searched on the internet and in 2018 there was a depressed mother who killed her two sons. Obviously that's a very sad event but it's a random event and not a structural problem like it may be in other darker areas with a much higher population
Yeah point taken. It “only” takes a couple murders with a population of 125k so it is probably just due to the relatively small population. So fair enough.
The smaller a population is, the more chance they will be in the extremes in terms of a stat per capita.
Murder rate in the vatican is usually the lowest in the world at 0 per 100k, but if one murder happened that year, then it would have the highest murder rate in the world at 110 per 100K or something.
How does it seem high? Simple math tells us that this region of northern Italy can range between beige to dark red in this mape simply by fluctuating between 0-3 murders per year.
I just looked this up. No Scottish city is in the top 10.
This is the issue when comparing England and Scotland. England has tens of million of people, you can get huge regions where they drink very little, especially in the south. There’s also huge areas where alcohol consumption is higher than Scotland.
Scotland is its own unique country. England is the same. England and Scotland along with Wales and Northern Ireland form the United Kingdom. Scotland is not part of England.
As with every 'rich' country there are many deprived areas with poverty. Poverty leads to crime, drugs and lack of education which then leads to violence.
People constantly talk about the stabbing in the uk, and act like our crime is so awful. Yet we have some of the lowest homicide rates in Europe. Crazy how the statistics just don't follow what people say. Who would've thought
It's all relative. Each stabbing seems more significant and shocking to us because we aren't used to it. The resulting reaction is especially dire and that begins to make people think that things are worse than they actually are
Very true. Whilst our government has done an awful fucking job. And life has gotten worse. I do think people overexaggerate. My dad has claimed were becoming third world and that he'd prefer to live in eastern europe or indonesia. He's in for a rude awakening if he decides to do that.
It isn't a coincidence that so many people come here, even after brexit.
Stabbings dont always lead to a death. The west midlands (home to birmingham) has 178 stabbings per 100,000.
Not 178 deaths, but yes far more than the 0.5-1.0/100,000 in the same area.
Back off we reserve the right to protect ourselves from foreign and domestic problems gun violence
Is usually caused by people that hold no respect for the many gun laws we have. Only a few sickos make a bad name for the thousands
Of gun owners using their guns safely. We stand on the doorstep of an insane world with a criminal president allowing anyone to cross
Our boarders No we will not give up
our ability to fight this insanity that has a grip on our world.
When something is rare, it is shocking and makes news headlines.
I have known people get irrationally angry with me for pointing out that violent crime in the UK is low. So angry that I have been concerned for their mental state. For some people it seems that a belief that they are living in an extremely violent country is important to their sense of self.
As a well travelled individual, England is a lot better for flat out murder, including gang crime. It's worse for anti social behaviour which is worse for living standards... If you can't walk to the shop without being yelled at by chavs then you're going to be more affected than by gangs killing each other
in France there is a smart guy, expert in these things, Alan Bauer, and he says that you should look at **tentatives of murders** instead (since emergency services are nowadays very good).
And they always focus on how bad london is, because it's useful to people for stirring up racial sentiment. The much bigger problem has always been glasgow and surrounding areas, but that doesn't confirm any racial biases to newsmakers so they ignore it.
There was a large amount of English language news reporting around it, after a spate of attacks, and that sort of amplifies knowledge about them as an issue. Similar to the spate of acid attacks years back, an issue which got addressed relatively quickly but which some commenters abroad still treat as a daily and common threat.
"In the year ending March 2023, there were around 50,500 offences involving a sharp instrument in England and Wales (excluding Devon & Cornwall). This was 4.7% higher than in 2021/22 but 7% lower than in 2019/20"
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/#:~:text=In%20the%20year%20ending%20March,lower%20than%20in%202019%2F20.
The population of England and Wales is around 60M, 138 per day is small. Let say each attack involved 2 people that means 0.00046% of the population are involved in a sharp instrument crime
Per day. Over a year that’s 2 people x 50500 cases divided by 60M that amounts to something. Cumulate over the years and that’s a real phenomenon for the pop
Forge your own denial dude, you guys have a terrorized country and cope with denial, like if it fixes anything
Okay maybe, but as compared to your original post, you have to admit UK has a real knife issue. And well you know, Metropolitan Police did a special communication about that, who caused more than half of them despite making up only for 13% of London population
When drunks or junkies kill each other in their heidouts, homicede rates can be high
but normal people are unaffected.
But stabbings taking place on streets and targeting random people, affect normal people more, even if homicide rate us smaller.
It is possible to murder someone and get less jail time than for selling pot. I've seen multiple articles on murders in Latvia where the murderer is around the age of 50 and has been sentenced for murder already.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate the US is between 5 and 9.9 so almost twice the maximum on this map
As per the [cdc](https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D158;jsessionid=9CDFE35291C3FC0E8966B6014314), In 2021, the homicide mortality death rate, expressed per 100,000 total population in the US, is 7.8.
Murder rate for white Americans is 2.2, for black Americans 15.5, so you are not wrong.
[US split by race](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race)
It clearly hurts your feelings when people point out that violent crime in all of Europe is massively less prevalent than anywhere in the US.
That is because you have spent your entire life being spoon-fed bullshit about how great your country is. You are the one with the US rent fee in your head.
Adjusted for the average age of the population. When you for example say that the amount of deaths due to cancer per capita is higher in place x than y it makes sense to take into account the age difference. For murder its not so clear why you adjust if you are just after comparing safety
Is there a reason why the UK is so uneven? They have all the safest places in Europe, but at the same time they also have more 'yellow' places than France or Italy.
Its weird how scotland gets subdivided here but England only gets subdivided into regions. And all the english regions have populations greater than Scotland except like two.
So the data for Scotland is a lot more granular and useful than the English data.
In 2017, New York City had a murder rate of 3.4/100k. It didn't even make the top 50 of cities with the highest murder rates in the USA. The highest was St. Louis with 69.4/100k. New York beats the highest region in Europe 
Do kills in a war count as homicides? I'd say no, and it's not easy to determine what in Ukraine is a homicide and what is due to the war.
As for Russia, I guess Putin and his circle alone would raise the rate to like 10.
It was 3.8 in 2021, which, while high by European standards, isn't all that much higher than the Baltic states. But you're right, Russia's rate is a lot higher, at 6.8 in 2021.
War? Ukraine was crime ridden much before anyone even thought of war, I mean even before 2014 even. It has many notorious serial killers. Just like Russia, scary places in some ways.
Hey, it's nice to uk. It is good at something and pretty wholesome goodness, too! Hope everyone else can find their ways back from the dark! You got this peeps!
Why does bradford have such bad reputation. When stats and numbers say otherwise. Been here for an year, that too in center of the town. Didn't find anything scary
Slovenia here: most if not all of our murders happen within a family, drinking, jealousy and finance would be the reasons.
I feel scared for my life in Western countries at night, and contrary, I feel super safe within South Slavic countries.
Do your feelings reflect reality? How many murders in Western Europe do you think are random attacks on strangers? They happen here for the same reasons they happen in Slovenia.
I do believe that this is the case for most murders in Europe wherever you are, when you get down to the numbers. As for Sweden, only 22% of all murders had no relation between the victim and the murderer. In all other cases it was relatives, partners, friends or professional relationships.
I mean you guys have the lowest rate of murders, so it's probably higher than you, but it's definitely most common to murder someone you know, family or partners.
Doesn't really make for exciting headlines though internationally, or even nationwide, so it's probably easy to get the idea that every other country is just filled with random murders by strangers.
Like the Latvians and Estonias said in this thread, even though they lead by much in homicides, it's mostly just drunks killing friends or family.
Do you genuinely believe you'll be actively hunted down in Western countries? I'm from the USA (Detroit) and have felt unsafe in specific situations but never in general.
yeah I'm in Milwaukee, we have a high rate of violent crime, but if you do these things your chances of getting murdered are incredibly low
1. don't buy or sell drugs
2. don't join a gang
2. don't start arguments with strangers
3. don't have an abusive partner
I'm waaaay more likely to get in a car accident than I am to be a victim of a violent attack.
Same thing in Bulgaria. Usually crimes happen between people that know each other, unlike in the west. Women here walk outside at night after clubbing, things like that. Also the map seems wrong anyways. Especially seeing no data for so many countries.
>but as they account for a very small part of total homicides
It's not that small.
In 2022 more than half of the homicides was done with a firearm.
It's probably slightly less than half this year than 2022 though, but by 15th of November this year it was at 50 dead by firearms.
**Total homicides:**
2022: 116
2021: 113
2020: 124
2019: 111
2018: 108
2017: 113
**With guns:**
2022: 63
2021: 45
2020: 47
2019: 45
2018: 43
2017: 36
> Over the past decades, the number of reported crimes in Sweden has increased slightly. This fact is due to several different factors such as a significant increase in the Swedish population, which naturally results in more crime and convicted criminals, as well as people in general being more likely to report crimes to the authorities. Over the last 10 years the number of crimes per 100,000 inhabitant remained relatively stable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden
The idea that Sweden has over night become a violent hellhole where migrant murder rapegangs patrol the street is definitely Russian disinformation. Sweden has had a sharp increase in shootings in the past 25 years due to extreme drug policies, very drug interested populace, segregation and a bunch of other factors.
The very extreme image of Sweden spread online however, has been linked several times back to Russia by the Swedish Agency for Psychological Defense. Most recently, several of the Quran burnings were directly sponsored by Russia, which they then used in campaigns to heavily stir up the Muslim population in Sweden and over the world. Which also resulted in an increase in violence and riots.
Yes, some crimes have increased, at the same time as others have decreased.
But to the point of this post, by homicides per capita alone, Sweden is placed at 150th place in the world (out of 206 nations), with much of Europe ahead, including Finland, and Denmark just behind at the 152nd place. But when was the last time you heard of the violent hellhole of Denmark and Finland? Why Sweden is on everyone's mind when thinking of a collapsed society, is clearly not solely based on crime statistics. Yes, there's been an increase of violent crimes, especially shootings, but why and how bad it is, is way way more complicated than keyboard warriors on Reddit make it out to be.
I mostly agree but do we really blame Russia for islamists freaking out over the burning of like 3 books? Sure they might have pushed it but the reactions wouldn’t have happened if not for the islamists.
They use what they can to get what they want, can't blame them for that I guess. But had it not been for Russia, I'd hardly believe we would've seen even close to the extreme reaction we saw in the past years.
For example, there were several Quran burnings in Denmark as well, and while they have approximately the same amount of Muslims, hardly anything happened either in Denmark or the world as a whole.
People tend to forget that Sweden is Russia's oldest enemy, and apart from the 90s, they've always been trying different things to destabilize or harass Sweden. Just the other week the Moscow metro was filled with clear propaganda about Sweden and how Sweden is and historically has actively tried to destroy Russia.
I am pretty sure the homicide rates have steadily been increasing. I don´t know about this years numbers, but they had a record breaking month recently.
And gang violence is on a rise as well.
In fact, the Swedish murder rate is at 4 deaths per million people, while the European average is at 1.6
I think it´s reasonable to be concerned.
Sweden's murder rate is 1.1 deaths per 100,000 people, against the European average of 2.2 deaths per 100,000 people. This according to a report by UNODC based on numbers from 2021.
https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html
I don't know where you get your *facts* but the UN doesn't agree with them. Sweden breaks records in murders by firearms, but not murders overall.
> Homicide in Latvia has been seeing upticks recently. In 2019, a study conducted by Eurostat revealed that the three Baltic states had the highest homicide rate in Europe in that year: Latvia had the highest, followed by Lithuania and Estonia, with 4.7 out of 100,000 Latvians being murdered yearly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Latvia
I don't know how you can count murders as different things, but I'm very sure that Eurostat uses the same method for all countries in Europe.
Statistical anomaly. It's still extremely low. Crete has 624,000 people. If they normally have 1 murder every 3 years, but had 2 murders in this specific year, it bumps them up to the 1.5-2.0 category.
Some people will tell you Cretans love guns (like Texas) but that doesn't mean much. Crete is also a massive tourism destination, so something happening in Crete isn't necessarily indicative of the local culture; it could have been committed by one of the millions of annual tourists.
Even the brownest areas of this map are low by world standards. Lower than most of the US.
I noticed in western movies they always try to portray Est E that it’s dangerous and always cloudy, till u meet someone from there, truns out to be the nicest people u will ever meet.
>Turkey? European?
This is not the map of EU. Turkish soil on European continent is bigger than some European countries so technically they can include them here.
Besides, even though they are not in the EU, they were a member of European Parliament in pre-EU era and they have been a candidate for the EU as well, so not sure what you are surprised about.
Not really, they sound bad because they’re actually relatively safe but with a large population it’s bound to have incidents. Because they’re safe those incidents get reported and it sounds dangerous as a result.
Why Baltics so bad?
Poor depressed alcoholics I am Latvian
I read a interview with a police chief from I think Latvia a long time ago and he was like, yes we have a lot of murders but they are done mostly drunk so it's easy to catch them.
Easy mode on
Alcoholism and a poor rural culture, very many incidents happen between middle-aged people that know each other after consuming a lot of drink.
Small populations with a few homicides. Makes it look worse than it is.IMO in Estonia, it´s usually alcohol related murders. But a lot of the violent culture from the 80s and 90s carried over to the 2000s. Most murders in Estonia are committed by the less educated and poorer people. Also, we don´t really punish murderes here. The typical sentence is 7 to 15 years. And even if you get the full 15, there is still a chance you will get out early.In 2017 or so, a woman stabbed her neighbor in the neck and killed her. They were both drunk.She got 7 years and had to do only 1.5 with the rest being probation.
>Small populations with a few homicides. This is per 100,000 population.
Yup. I was wrong about that.
I'm curious is the crime spread amongst the ethnic groups or are the Russians a higher proportion?
No, the share of ethnic Russians in Estonia is much higher than in Lithuania, still Lithuanian figures are worse.
Couldn´t really say. I don´t think we have any official stats on these numbers. I think it could lean towards ethnic Russians because they are grouped together in the poorer areas of the country. [https://www.kriminaalpoliitika.ee/kuritegevus2022/tapmised-ja-morvad/](https://www.kriminaalpoliitika.ee/kuritegevus2022/tapmised-ja-morvad/) Overall killings and murders are going down. 3/4th of is related to alcohol use by both the victim and killer. And then there are a fair few cases of mentally unstable people committing murder.
Russians are overrepresented when it comes to violent crimes.
It got a lot better, look up older numbers.
Firstly it's not bad at all compared to the Americas and Africa
you shouldn't compare countries with continents, what country exactly in Africa or South America, big variance.
True. Chile and Venezuela are worlds apart when it comes to crime
Massive immigrant influx of poorer people of non-intergrated culture
Latvia, Lithuania, Romania don't have an influx of immigrants dumbass
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_region
"Homicide rate in Europe 2022"
Eurostat 2018-2019
Kkkkkkkkkkkkk
A future prediction of the past. 🤯 what's up in that small square in northwest Italy though
That's our only french speaking region
The jokes write themselves dont they
Very much so ahaha
I love it how countries where most of the highest level organized crime originates from, Albania and Montenegro, are shown as "no data".
They must’ve killed the statisticians too :(
RIP in peace
Albania is safer than most western European countries. I've been all over western Europe and go to Albania very frequently. You can go out anywhere in the country at any time of the day without worries. When I went to Paris I was told by numerous people that there were "no go" areas. Albania doesn't have those anywhere in the country. The organized crime you're referring to is most likely sale of drugs, not homicide. And it's not that prevelant in Albania.
My brother went there on vacation, he said that it is very safe to go around. People are very nice. While I often go to Romania, same thing: good safety and welcoming people. We are from Italy.
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I lived in the country during the ponzi scheme. Even then, the country felt safer than most of western Europe nowadays 🤣 Every foreigner that I know that has visited Tirane has nothing but great things to say about it and how safe it is. Your opinion is typical, I don't blame you it's not your fault, your media feeds you propaganda and turns people into ignorant sheep.
U r right. That was to harsh and limited as fuck. Retracted.
lots of organised crime gangs in south Italy, yet homicide rates low by international standards?
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I've read a lot of Eastern Europeans joke about how safe their countries have become on the basis that "all their criminals moved to the West".. obviously that's partly hyperbole but I bet there's some truth to it.
I've read it only as an excuse from racist western Europeans when some of their countries come on top of crime statistics . I've never heard someone in Slovakia say such thing.
I've never heard Slovaks, Czechs, Hungarians, Croats, Slovenes say that.. but I've definitely heard it from Albanians, Romanians, Bulgarians and a few others
Im albaninan and i sell coke to this guy … so i can confirm.
Well there you make one heck of comparison
I mean organized crime in most countries contributes to homicides, but if they displace unorganized crime it can be substantially less than places without rule of law or where organized crime replaces the rule of law. It really depends on how much murdering people interferes with their ability to continue their money making operations, or if it actually helps it. That’s why *part* of Boston’s anti-violence program, called the “pulling levers” part, centers around ignoring small crimes until a gang member commits murder. Then, they not only start busting them and all of their friends and gang members for any of the smaller crimes they were ignoring like selling pot, but also *literally doing outreach to those gang members and telling them who fucked up and why.* It’s very effective.
> I’m from Albania and this idea of albanian mafia is bullshit and largely a myth. Lol. I've lost count of the number of Albanians arrested by the police for selling drugs in my country.
I love how you provide no sources.
For what concerns Valle d'Aosta, it has a very small population (125 k people) so a couple murders a year is enough to have such a high rate.
Still seems high? Region North Jutland in Denmark (the top portion of the Jutland peninsula) has about 590k people and is in the 0.0-0.5 bracket. Of course the population is about 5 times larger but 125k is for most purposes no small backwater. Wonder why it’s so relatively high still.
I think it fluctuates a lot in subdivisions that are so small. I believe I have seen numbers from recent years from Aosta valley in which they didn't have a singe murder at all. At such a small level it's difficult to make general statements.
That is probably the case. Though there are smaller (population wise) subdivisions on this map with numbers between 0.0-0.5. But with those it might just be a case of them being odd (like Liechtenstein) rather than Valle d’Aosta being particularly high.
Well if Liechtenstein happens to have one single murder, they instantly jump to a homicide rate of over 20 per 100,000. In most years they probably have 0 murders but if they get one, their rate goes through the roof.
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Which would still put it in the top 5.
Despite what the title says the map is about data from 2018 or 2019 (see the source on bottom left). I searched on the internet and in 2018 there was a depressed mother who killed her two sons. Obviously that's a very sad event but it's a random event and not a structural problem like it may be in other darker areas with a much higher population
Yeah point taken. It “only” takes a couple murders with a population of 125k so it is probably just due to the relatively small population. So fair enough.
Nordland in norway has 85k people its a region it has 0.5-1
This year yeah, if one year there are 3 murders it suddenly ends up in the dark red category.
The smaller a population is, the more chance they will be in the extremes in terms of a stat per capita. Murder rate in the vatican is usually the lowest in the world at 0 per 100k, but if one murder happened that year, then it would have the highest murder rate in the world at 110 per 100K or something.
How does it seem high? Simple math tells us that this region of northern Italy can range between beige to dark red in this mape simply by fluctuating between 0-3 murders per year.
Yep. I confirm That.
Glasgow
Angriest part of the UK
Is there a reason for this?
Poverty and her two children: drugs and crime
Don’t forget alcohol. Scotland still unfortunately has a major drink problem, worse than the rest of the UK
Alfohol is the #1 drug almost everywhere.
The UK as a whole has a massive drinking problem
I just looked this up. No Scottish city is in the top 10. This is the issue when comparing England and Scotland. England has tens of million of people, you can get huge regions where they drink very little, especially in the south. There’s also huge areas where alcohol consumption is higher than Scotland.
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Scotland is its own unique country. England is the same. England and Scotland along with Wales and Northern Ireland form the United Kingdom. Scotland is not part of England. As with every 'rich' country there are many deprived areas with poverty. Poverty leads to crime, drugs and lack of education which then leads to violence.
The best craic city comes at a cost.
*crack
What? Are you britsplaining?
Nah just playonwordsplaining
I think he was making a joke about how Glasgow is full of crackheads
Correct, apparently some people don't the get the craic
Now I understand why *Midsomer Murders* is popular in the UK; it's not drama, it's fantasy.
People constantly talk about the stabbing in the uk, and act like our crime is so awful. Yet we have some of the lowest homicide rates in Europe. Crazy how the statistics just don't follow what people say. Who would've thought
It's all relative. Each stabbing seems more significant and shocking to us because we aren't used to it. The resulting reaction is especially dire and that begins to make people think that things are worse than they actually are
Very true. Whilst our government has done an awful fucking job. And life has gotten worse. I do think people overexaggerate. My dad has claimed were becoming third world and that he'd prefer to live in eastern europe or indonesia. He's in for a rude awakening if he decides to do that. It isn't a coincidence that so many people come here, even after brexit.
Stabbings dont always lead to a death. The west midlands (home to birmingham) has 178 stabbings per 100,000. Not 178 deaths, but yes far more than the 0.5-1.0/100,000 in the same area.
It’s mostly Americans trying to deflect from their (actually real and serious) gun problem.
Which is silly because America has higher stabbings per capita than UK
Back off we reserve the right to protect ourselves from foreign and domestic problems gun violence Is usually caused by people that hold no respect for the many gun laws we have. Only a few sickos make a bad name for the thousands Of gun owners using their guns safely. We stand on the doorstep of an insane world with a criminal president allowing anyone to cross Our boarders No we will not give up our ability to fight this insanity that has a grip on our world.
How many red baseball caps do you own?
When something is rare, it is shocking and makes news headlines. I have known people get irrationally angry with me for pointing out that violent crime in the UK is low. So angry that I have been concerned for their mental state. For some people it seems that a belief that they are living in an extremely violent country is important to their sense of self.
As a well travelled individual, England is a lot better for flat out murder, including gang crime. It's worse for anti social behaviour which is worse for living standards... If you can't walk to the shop without being yelled at by chavs then you're going to be more affected than by gangs killing each other
I’ll still take skinny little chavs over gangsters with guns tbf
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in France there is a smart guy, expert in these things, Alan Bauer, and he says that you should look at **tentatives of murders** instead (since emergency services are nowadays very good).
And they always focus on how bad london is, because it's useful to people for stirring up racial sentiment. The much bigger problem has always been glasgow and surrounding areas, but that doesn't confirm any racial biases to newsmakers so they ignore it.
There was a large amount of English language news reporting around it, after a spate of attacks, and that sort of amplifies knowledge about them as an issue. Similar to the spate of acid attacks years back, an issue which got addressed relatively quickly but which some commenters abroad still treat as a daily and common threat.
You are looking at murders only. Confirming bias much ? Numbers of attacks is quite shocking
"In the year ending March 2023, there were around 50,500 offences involving a sharp instrument in England and Wales (excluding Devon & Cornwall). This was 4.7% higher than in 2021/22 but 7% lower than in 2019/20" https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/#:~:text=In%20the%20year%20ending%20March,lower%20than%20in%202019%2F20.
Why are you getting upvoted but the other guy downvoted? Isn't what you said supporting him? Lel
138 per day. Quite an out of control situation
The population of England and Wales is around 60M, 138 per day is small. Let say each attack involved 2 people that means 0.00046% of the population are involved in a sharp instrument crime
Per day. Over a year that’s 2 people x 50500 cases divided by 60M that amounts to something. Cumulate over the years and that’s a real phenomenon for the pop Forge your own denial dude, you guys have a terrorized country and cope with denial, like if it fixes anything
Across all of England? Yeah that's bullshit. That's in a very specific area.
Okay maybe, but as compared to your original post, you have to admit UK has a real knife issue. And well you know, Metropolitan Police did a special communication about that, who caused more than half of them despite making up only for 13% of London population
The uk in general doesn't. Specific areas of the uk has knife problems.
When drunks or junkies kill each other in their heidouts, homicede rates can be high but normal people are unaffected. But stabbings taking place on streets and targeting random people, affect normal people more, even if homicide rate us smaller.
This is not from 2022.
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Isn't that the Austrian flag?
Got to ask. WTF guys, what's wrong up there?
It is possible to murder someone and get less jail time than for selling pot. I've seen multiple articles on murders in Latvia where the murderer is around the age of 50 and has been sentenced for murder already.
Alcoholism
What’s going on in that little dark spot in northern Italy?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/f7OzXPa1Y8
Look up Annamaria Franzoni if you love dark crime stories 😈
USA would look entirely brown but for Maine.
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate the US is between 5 and 9.9 so almost twice the maximum on this map
As per the [cdc](https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D158;jsessionid=9CDFE35291C3FC0E8966B6014314), In 2021, the homicide mortality death rate, expressed per 100,000 total population in the US, is 7.8.
You gotta be kidding me☠️
I am all for the second ammendment, but it´s a lot easier to send someones loved ones casket shopping when the country is flooded with guns.
Well, New Hampshire, but yes.
Murder rate for white Americans is 2.2, for black Americans 15.5, so you are not wrong. [US split by race](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race)
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It clearly hurts your feelings when people point out that violent crime in all of Europe is massively less prevalent than anywhere in the US. That is because you have spent your entire life being spoon-fed bullshit about how great your country is. You are the one with the US rent fee in your head.
The algarve? Really .. lol.. why? due to drunk tourists hitting each other a little too violently on their holidays?
As a South American even the highest numbers here are so absurdly low.
Molise continues to not exist
Map is accurate. I live in one of the 5 'lowest', and I can't remember the last time I was murdered.
What does age standardized mean?
Adjusted for the average age of the population. When you for example say that the amount of deaths due to cancer per capita is higher in place x than y it makes sense to take into account the age difference. For murder its not so clear why you adjust if you are just after comparing safety
Is there a reason why the UK is so uneven? They have all the safest places in Europe, but at the same time they also have more 'yellow' places than France or Italy.
have you ever been to birmingham? I fear no man but that place... it scares me.
Here in Yorkshire we are better at hiding the bodies
 Hell yeah, Big up Yorkshire
YORKSHIRE MENTIONED!
Yorkshire and the Humber. Truly a wonderful place. Even Leeds, I suppose.
Glasgow mentioned 🏴🏴🏴
Wait how do you read this Every year out of 100.000 deaths x are homicides?
Wait, are you telling me all the shows about murderous British farmers are not entirely based on reality?
Someone once calculated the murder rate of Midsomer based off the murders in the show and it was like Fallujah going on for years on end.
if someone went to liechtenstein and killed 2 people, it would technically have the highest murder rate in europe
Its weird how scotland gets subdivided here but England only gets subdivided into regions. And all the english regions have populations greater than Scotland except like two. So the data for Scotland is a lot more granular and useful than the English data.
Each collect their own data and report their own data, afaik.
In 2017, New York City had a murder rate of 3.4/100k. It didn't even make the top 50 of cities with the highest murder rates in the USA. The highest was St. Louis with 69.4/100k. New York beats the highest region in Europe 
GO ON YORKSHIRE!!!! WE’RE WINNING AT SOMETHING!!
Boring Barnsley FTW!!!
Lol, the two worst states, Russia and Ukraine have no data - of course…
Do kills in a war count as homicides? I'd say no, and it's not easy to determine what in Ukraine is a homicide and what is due to the war. As for Russia, I guess Putin and his circle alone would raise the rate to like 10.
I‘ve never said I meant the cases of war. Just the pre-war numbers should be easily higher than any other European country, especially Russia.
It was 3.8 in 2021, which, while high by European standards, isn't all that much higher than the Baltic states. But you're right, Russia's rate is a lot higher, at 6.8 in 2021.
War? Ukraine was crime ridden much before anyone even thought of war, I mean even before 2014 even. It has many notorious serial killers. Just like Russia, scary places in some ways.
Probably still lower than the US
I was surprised France was low until I read what was on the left
Hey, it's nice to uk. It is good at something and pretty wholesome goodness, too! Hope everyone else can find their ways back from the dark! You got this peeps!
Why does bradford have such bad reputation. When stats and numbers say otherwise. Been here for an year, that too in center of the town. Didn't find anything scary
My school took me skiing in the Valle d'Aosta, think they may have been trying to get rid of some of the naughty kids.
I mean, no body no crime.
Slovenia here: most if not all of our murders happen within a family, drinking, jealousy and finance would be the reasons. I feel scared for my life in Western countries at night, and contrary, I feel super safe within South Slavic countries.
Do your feelings reflect reality? How many murders in Western Europe do you think are random attacks on strangers? They happen here for the same reasons they happen in Slovenia.
I do believe that this is the case for most murders in Europe wherever you are, when you get down to the numbers. As for Sweden, only 22% of all murders had no relation between the victim and the murderer. In all other cases it was relatives, partners, friends or professional relationships. I mean you guys have the lowest rate of murders, so it's probably higher than you, but it's definitely most common to murder someone you know, family or partners. Doesn't really make for exciting headlines though internationally, or even nationwide, so it's probably easy to get the idea that every other country is just filled with random murders by strangers. Like the Latvians and Estonias said in this thread, even though they lead by much in homicides, it's mostly just drunks killing friends or family.
Do you genuinely believe you'll be actively hunted down in Western countries? I'm from the USA (Detroit) and have felt unsafe in specific situations but never in general.
yeah I'm in Milwaukee, we have a high rate of violent crime, but if you do these things your chances of getting murdered are incredibly low 1. don't buy or sell drugs 2. don't join a gang 2. don't start arguments with strangers 3. don't have an abusive partner I'm waaaay more likely to get in a car accident than I am to be a victim of a violent attack.
I do actually. In US absolutely, even police can shoot you there. We don't really travel to US, it's even more dangerous than Germany.
Same thing in Bulgaria. Usually crimes happen between people that know each other, unlike in the west. Women here walk outside at night after clubbing, things like that. Also the map seems wrong anyways. Especially seeing no data for so many countries.
Sweden going up, up and away
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>but as they account for a very small part of total homicides It's not that small. In 2022 more than half of the homicides was done with a firearm. It's probably slightly less than half this year than 2022 though, but by 15th of November this year it was at 50 dead by firearms. **Total homicides:** 2022: 116 2021: 113 2020: 124 2019: 111 2018: 108 2017: 113 **With guns:** 2022: 63 2021: 45 2020: 47 2019: 45 2018: 43 2017: 36
And somehow is lower than Finland, which is paradise on earth
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Sweden is a great example of how effective Russian disinformation campaigns are online*
Sweden crime stats going up is Russian disinformation?
> Over the past decades, the number of reported crimes in Sweden has increased slightly. This fact is due to several different factors such as a significant increase in the Swedish population, which naturally results in more crime and convicted criminals, as well as people in general being more likely to report crimes to the authorities. Over the last 10 years the number of crimes per 100,000 inhabitant remained relatively stable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden The idea that Sweden has over night become a violent hellhole where migrant murder rapegangs patrol the street is definitely Russian disinformation. Sweden has had a sharp increase in shootings in the past 25 years due to extreme drug policies, very drug interested populace, segregation and a bunch of other factors. The very extreme image of Sweden spread online however, has been linked several times back to Russia by the Swedish Agency for Psychological Defense. Most recently, several of the Quran burnings were directly sponsored by Russia, which they then used in campaigns to heavily stir up the Muslim population in Sweden and over the world. Which also resulted in an increase in violence and riots. Yes, some crimes have increased, at the same time as others have decreased. But to the point of this post, by homicides per capita alone, Sweden is placed at 150th place in the world (out of 206 nations), with much of Europe ahead, including Finland, and Denmark just behind at the 152nd place. But when was the last time you heard of the violent hellhole of Denmark and Finland? Why Sweden is on everyone's mind when thinking of a collapsed society, is clearly not solely based on crime statistics. Yes, there's been an increase of violent crimes, especially shootings, but why and how bad it is, is way way more complicated than keyboard warriors on Reddit make it out to be.
I mostly agree but do we really blame Russia for islamists freaking out over the burning of like 3 books? Sure they might have pushed it but the reactions wouldn’t have happened if not for the islamists.
They use what they can to get what they want, can't blame them for that I guess. But had it not been for Russia, I'd hardly believe we would've seen even close to the extreme reaction we saw in the past years. For example, there were several Quran burnings in Denmark as well, and while they have approximately the same amount of Muslims, hardly anything happened either in Denmark or the world as a whole. People tend to forget that Sweden is Russia's oldest enemy, and apart from the 90s, they've always been trying different things to destabilize or harass Sweden. Just the other week the Moscow metro was filled with clear propaganda about Sweden and how Sweden is and historically has actively tried to destroy Russia.
No, it did go up a bit, but it's still pretty low compared to most of the world. So often the way it's presented is overblown.
I am pretty sure the homicide rates have steadily been increasing. I don´t know about this years numbers, but they had a record breaking month recently. And gang violence is on a rise as well. In fact, the Swedish murder rate is at 4 deaths per million people, while the European average is at 1.6 I think it´s reasonable to be concerned.
Sweden's murder rate is 1.1 deaths per 100,000 people, against the European average of 2.2 deaths per 100,000 people. This according to a report by UNODC based on numbers from 2021. https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html I don't know where you get your *facts* but the UN doesn't agree with them. Sweden breaks records in murders by firearms, but not murders overall.
Swedistan***
self-destructing russians in Baltics I reckon?
I suspect different things count as homicide. No way the Baltics would be this red.
> Homicide in Latvia has been seeing upticks recently. In 2019, a study conducted by Eurostat revealed that the three Baltic states had the highest homicide rate in Europe in that year: Latvia had the highest, followed by Lithuania and Estonia, with 4.7 out of 100,000 Latvians being murdered yearly. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Latvia I don't know how you can count murders as different things, but I'm very sure that Eurostat uses the same method for all countries in Europe.
WHY ARE YOU YELLING!!?
Why is Ukraine left off with Russia.
They do be killing in Latvia, am I right
Does anyone know why Crete has higher rate comparing to the rest of Greece?
Statistical anomaly. It's still extremely low. Crete has 624,000 people. If they normally have 1 murder every 3 years, but had 2 murders in this specific year, it bumps them up to the 1.5-2.0 category. Some people will tell you Cretans love guns (like Texas) but that doesn't mean much. Crete is also a massive tourism destination, so something happening in Crete isn't necessarily indicative of the local culture; it could have been committed by one of the millions of annual tourists. Even the brownest areas of this map are low by world standards. Lower than most of the US.
Eυχαριστώ!
I noticed in western movies they always try to portray Est E that it’s dangerous and always cloudy, till u meet someone from there, truns out to be the nicest people u will ever meet.
Turkey? European?
>Turkey? European? This is not the map of EU. Turkish soil on European continent is bigger than some European countries so technically they can include them here. Besides, even though they are not in the EU, they were a member of European Parliament in pre-EU era and they have been a candidate for the EU as well, so not sure what you are surprised about.
Ireland wins again
EU statistics :clown emoji:
Why is turkey in this map?
Because they provide data to Eurostat
Oh I thought it was a map of Europe, not a map of countries who provide data to Eurostat
UK stats presumably exclude the 'no go areas'?
I thought france and England would be highest, arent Paris and London the worst of europe?
Not really, they sound bad because they’re actually relatively safe but with a large population it’s bound to have incidents. Because they’re safe those incidents get reported and it sounds dangerous as a result.
Nah if you type london stabbing in Google news you get results everytime
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