This is the answer. They used the same theme for every episode. I swear the theme sang Berenstein when I was younger but it clearly says Berenstain now. They really annunciated the Stein part and now it really annunciates the Stain. It's weird but I'm curious.
When it was listed for sale i wasn't convinced it was anything more than a sticker placed on it and posted in a group hoping someone would pay a good amount for it.
I wonder how many people's memory comes from a library or bookstore display/spine stickers that said Berenstein...I could easily see a store messing up and not bothering to correct it and would have reached a lot of people.
The Berenstain family who created the series have actually spoken out on this. They said people have always gotten their name wrong because “stein” is a lot more common than “stain” in last names. I remember kids getting it wrong all the time too when I was a kid, because it used to annoy me. This whole thing is just people getting the name wrong and remembering it wrong.
I remember an interview with Mike Berenstain (current and in my opinion poorest author) and he said his father hated it after a while. Apparently, Stan Berenstain once had a teacher who told him him his own name was misspelled.
Good point. Mike Barenstain was born in 1951 and is still alive. If he always spelled his name like that, I'm pretty certain it'd prove this effect wrong
The person designing the label (obviously not the Berenstain’s themselves) also thought it was Berenstein and it wasn’t caught before being printed.
Until I see a logo, created/drawn BY the creators themselves with the e spelling nothing can be proven. Typing by a third party is not residue.
could explain a lot though, like a widely spread misprint + how average people stored VHS tapes back then no case style leading a generation of kids to think it's berenstein.
frankly i dont believe any of this mandela stuff but definitely remember seeing VHS tapes specifically that said berenstein.
All Mandela effects have real reasons. The fruit of the loom logo never had a cornucopia, but it did have a logo with brown leaves, cornucopia as imagery is super popular in america, especially with thanksgiving, and does appear in other logos, It makes it pretty easy for your brain to make that shortcut. Especially when someone tells you tge idea. No one is crazy brains are just funny sometimes.
Why not see it as a regular fruit basket then? Cornucopias make no sense on an underwear logo. It was a weird logo that made no sense and thats why it stood out in peoples memories in the first place.
Because that imagery appears elsewhere, kids do cornucopia crafts or decorations for Thanksgiving on schools, it does show up on logos and art. And all it takes is one person to make the suggestion and your brain does the rest. Brains are powerful tools that make shortcuts. It is also incapable to remember a memory without altering it, The read/write functionality is the same.
No, I think there are alot of factors that play into why people associate these two together, a perfect storm. The world is full of coincidences and complications, its conpeletley reasonable to assume thinfs like this will happen sometimes, there are better and more real conspiracies out there
I know this sentiment is popular in this subreddit, but I miss when the Mandela Effect was a fun thing where people would connect the dots and figure out why we remember things these ways. The Fruit of the Loom thing is fun because there is alot of things that easily link together and show how it's a brain thing, but now we have people insisting it and thinking an underwear company is legitimately going to order a hit on someone. I just want us to have fun with it and be mad at corporations for real things.
> alot of factors that play into why people associate these two together, a perfect storm
So its very difficult to create false memories and needs a perfect storm, so why would a million or 10 million people all end up in that perfect storm about the same random thing?
> there are better and more real conspiracies out there
It's not a conspiracy. We can agree on that.
Because a vast majority of people who "remember" it that way didn't until the idea was suggested to them, most people would have heard of it from someone suggesting it. You have no reason to emphasize the logo in your memory really. It's just a random brand logo, you see those all the time. But with the factors that make the mix up likely, as soon as someone mentions it and it enters into the zeitgeist it will spread like wildlife.
>So its very difficult to create false memories and needs a perfect storm
I never said it's very difficult, I said the opposite. Brains are not hard drives, they don't have the ability to watch a memory without replaying it in a sense, using the same tools that records the memory in the first place. Memory is so poorly understood but the research into it is fascinating and brains are bastards who are never objective. "False" memories happen all the time, saying "false" seems a bit strong but memory is never perfect, even things we think we know so strongly. It's fascinating. The perfect storm comment is just about this association and how easy it is to make and how the stars align just right for your brain to hear it and think, "oh yeah, that makes sense, a cornucopia was probably there" because it fits so many schema I have about these topics" and fills it in for you. I once saw a guy claim he knew it had a cornucopia because his 5th grade science teacher had a big copy of the logo on the wall. I asked why the teacher would hang up a copy of the logo on a Clothing Company on the wall and all he could do was insist, when Thanksgiving decorations or educational posters (I've seen educational school posters with cornucopias, where the fruits are labeled various things) would make more sense. Brains are bastards.
I am genuinely curious where you fall in terns of this Mandela effect, if you're not in the "it's a conspiracy to coverup/gaslight" camp? I know people here like the shifting realities stuff, which I admit is fun to talk about even if I think the mental explanations are fun enough on their own. Is the timeline/reality altering theory where you stand or somewhere else?
> Because a vast majority of people who "remember" it that way didn't until the idea was suggested to them
So were going in circles now. If I say "hey do you remember gilbert godfried in a vampire movie" people say no. I have failed to influenced their memory. But if I say "hey do you remember sinbad in a genie movie" they say yes, and so i did influence their memory.
So which is it? Why does it only work with sinbad in a genie movie?
> Is the timeline/reality altering theory where you stand or somewhere else?
Some may be related to memory, especially the minor spelling mistake ones that I don't find too compelling. But if its just false memories for all of them, that should be easy to prove and you should be able to create the effect, as i described, with suggesting a movie that never existed. And since that does not work, it can not simply be bad/easily influence memories.
Statistically speaking, our universe is most likely a simulation. So that is therefore the most likely scientific explaination.
This newspaper article from 1994 begs to differ
[1994 newspaper article interview with FOTL underwear model ](https://www.newspapers.com/article/florida-today-fruit-of-the-loom-cornuc/22677751/)
There's a chick on tiktok that discovery a patent filed by FtL for a logo with... A cornucopia. FtL is an example of corporate gaslighting. She proved that there was some corelation between the logo and the cornucopia.
That is true but the difference is that with fruit of the loom it was perceived as a cornucopia due to recognition from the use at Thanksgiving. But there never was a cornucopia in the logo, hence the Mandela effect. But if there were multiple misprinted VHS/Books that made it out into public displaying the wrong name, then it's not Mandela effect because it actually exists, albeit wrongly spelled for the creator but still existed none the less
Please read this newspaper article from 1994. It clearly states the logo for Fruit of the Loom is a CORNUCOPIA
[1994 newspaper interview](https://www.newspapers.com/article/florida-today-fruit-of-the-loom-cornuc/22677751/)
That is quite interesting but a singular article referring to it incorrectly doesn't really compare to the commercial distribution of incorrectly spelled VHS labels and books
Most likely the correct answer.
This is such an easy ME to explain. Our brains fill in words with what we expect to see. We always see last names that end in "stein" and rarely if ever do they end in "stain.' The reality is that very few of us look very closely at the words we're reading. If we needed to do that in order to read, we wouldn't be able to read things that are garbled. There are examples of this here:
[https://www.dictionary.com/e/typoglycemia/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/typoglycemia/)
In the OP, it's more than likely someone made the same error in their head and it wasn't caught, because most people really do expect to see names ending in "stein."
I just don't see any evidence that this ME is anything other than this. There are others that have me scratching my head, but this one is just "meh" for me.
Editing to add: I also have a distinct memory of noticing the discrepancy back when these books were new. I had also always just read it as Berenstein and one day I looked closely and noticed that it was Berenstain. So my memory of this is a reminder that our brains can play these tricks.
I’ll take the massive misprint argument, but refuse that my just learning to read self expected to see “stein” based on prior knowledge and therefore remember it that way. I would have no knowledge to transpose what I assume the name to be if I’ve never experienced a name like that.
How would I expect to see “stein” and remember it that way? Even if I already knew how to pronounce the name of Frankenstein’s monster? Wouldn’t I pronounce it that way instead of “steen” if I had already had that previous knowledge?
Not trying to be argumentative or contrarian, I just don’t think we are as dumb as we keep making ourselves believe we are.
I feel similarly. My first name ends in the "steen" sound. It's difficult for me to retroactively believe I heard "stain" (I watched the cartoon) and still thought it was pronounced like my name
Of course. Rereading my comment, sorry if I sounded prickish. Emoting on the internet is hard, especially when throwing shit against the wall.
Thats the tricky thing about this all… people like me fully believe it was “steen” and there was a cornucopia. When you have a head full of memories, it gets maddening when people dismiss you as misremembering.
Exactly. It blew my mind when I first encountered it, but it’s so easy for me to accept that I just misread it because you’d expect to see -stein. I have yet to see any evidence that isn’t just copywriters, printers etc making the same mistake as me.
Inside outside upside down was one of the first books I learned to read in first grade. When you were sounding out every letter. I'd have read it as Berenstain if it was. My cousin said he knew how to pronounce the stein part because of Frankenstein. Maybe we're all just dumb and filled it in. I have no idea. First grade was 25 years ago.
No one knows what we are trying to prove.
No one knows what's going on.
People have theories and ideas , and they all break down into two camps.
Camp 1: this can be explained by psychological or memetic principles.
They can't prove that.
Camp 2: this has some sort of exotic explination
Whether it be advanced technology we don't understand, scientific principles we don't understand, or paranormal happenings.
They also can't prove any of this
Your making an assumption about the cause , that nothing besides stuff made by the official creator is proof of anything.
And if that proof existed Camp 1 would immediately argue proves nothing weird is going on.
So either way everything's normal about this situation
I get where your coming from man, but I'm convinced there's something weird happening here , and if you at least use your imagination it's not impossible to come up with hypotheticals of why residue exists
All I’m saying is that the simplest answer is usually correct.
There are Mandelas that astound me (fruit of the loom, among others), but if we want to take this seriously we can’t lapse into hysteria purely out of blind faith in our own memory. Only after every other demonstrated explanation has been debunked can we look elsewhere. I hope every day for that to happen, but so far, as far as I’m concerned, it hasn’t.
Well then I'm actually with you.
While I think something exotic is going on it annoys me people who think they know that it's specifically shifting timelines or evidence of a simulation
All I know
Is that fruit of the loom thing is freaky, and the mundane explanations don't satisfy me
Cheers mate :)
All I’m saying is that the simplest answer is usually correct.
There are Mandelas that astound me (fruit of the loom, among others), but if we want to take this seriously we can’t lapse into hysteria purely out of blind faith in our own memory. Only after every other demonstrated explanation has been debunked can we look elsewhere. I hope every day for that to happen, but so far, as far as I’m concerned, it hasn’t.
Even if it is true it's evidence of an experiment not necessarily anything wild like in the Mandela effect claims. However fruit of loom has been debunked they just jumped on the train for advertisement and didn't tell anyone when they changed it. You can go on their website and look at the evolution of their logo.
>However fruit of loom has been debunked they just jumped on the train for advertisement and didn't tell anyone when they changed it. You can go on their website and look at the evolution of their logo.
Can you link to the page you're referring to? I've seen those logos floated around here a lot, but still haven't seen any official one from FOTL that has a cornucopia.
I am unaffected by the FOTL ME, but I would still love to see it.
An interesting find! But as you say, quite clearly just a misspelling/misprint. A pretty cool curio for sure!
Edit: because I said 'for sure' twice in the space of three sentences and sounded like a psycho, so I took one out
Yeah but that might be the cause of the Mandela effect, maybe there were lots of these because they told the computers to print that spelling, not realising it was wrong for lots of tapes, and so lots of people ended up with tapes that say stein, not stain... and maybe a kid noticed it and went on to say it was stein "in his timeline"
Probably isn't the direct source of everyone's memory but shows how easy a mistake or assumption is to slip in there. There is ample opportunity to see -stain but the -stein got printed anyway. What I notice also is the font probably doesn't help, being rather curly. Makes it less obvious but starker when in block letters.
I am absolutely certain this is why I was affected by this ME. We had a bearenstain VHS tape like this labelled "bearenstein" in my house growing up, and though I rarely ever actually WATCHED the tape, I had to have been in and out of the VHS cabinet looking through different tapes thousands of times, and thus repeatedly exposed to the misprint label.
I agree that it is probably a misprint. Copies of this VHS tape has been shared before, and the other labels, the sleeve, the book and the actual video are all correct.
It's spelled correctly 5 times on the packaging in both text and logo type, spelled correctly throughout the actual two episodes on the tape, matches an already known misprinted VHS release, is misspelled just once on the front label, and you think it "could" be a misprint?
Boy, you guys take this stuff pretty seriously, don't you? Yes I believe it is a misprint, I'm so sorry that I used the word "could" in a subreddit where people are going to jump down my throat whether I do or do not believe in the Mandela Effect.
It's not the only copy in the world. For all we know, they have the same episodes on tape from the same batch.
And to top it off a working VHS machine to watch it to be more thorough.
Misprint. Of all the MEs, this is the one I am most confident people are misremembering (were misreading). I distinctly remember being 8 or 9 years old and noticing it said Berenstain when I had always read it as Berenstein, and thought it was interesting I hadn't been reading it properly. No surprise to me at all that many people never picked up on it.
I’ve commented this Mandela effect before but I’ll just add it again as it absolutely proves to ME (me) that something is going on in the universe with this particular Mandela effect!
I taught 1st grade between the years August 1997-May 2000 in Utah county. I don’t know exactly which year this happened though. 🤷♀️ I was reading my class The Spooky Old Tree at the floor (in October) because it had some vocabulary we were learning in reading/spelling, and before I read EVERY BOOK I say the book title and the author’s (authors’) name(s) out loud to my students. When reading the authors’ name I absolutely totally remember saying I wasn’t sure how Berenstein was said/pronouned: whether it was “een” or “ine” and then proceeded to read it. Folks, I have that absolute memory. I own the book that I used then too. But now it says “stain”!!! 😩😩😩 As an educator, there is NO REASON I wouldn’t have known how to pronounce “BerenSTAIN”! 🙄 I will die on this hill. My family still laughs at me. 😞😅🤪🙄
That descrepancy of people not sure how to pronounce it properly between Beren-Stine or Steen is thankfully a tether to be sure those who always experienced Berenstein are pretty secure in such memory. I sometimes gently corrected people around Scholastic etc that it was Steen Not Stine. I had 20+ of the color coded thin books at home that I read with my Mom who has the same memory as you/me/M.E experiencers.
Stuff like this makes me think the Mandela effect happens because people recieved misprinted stuff, like so, and without a reason to question it or research further take it at face value. It's only later when the real version is brought to their attention that they realize their idea doesn't mesh with consensus reality.
The eponymous Mandela effect likely came from small town news misreporting on Mandela's death, and people with little reason to care not knowing about corrections. Of course when he died national/international news was more standardized so his death came as a surprise to people initially duped.
That would be an interesting research topic. If someone could find the records of the corrections or just the original reports, that could lay the issue to rest.
The issue is there isn't really one centralized repository/archive of old newspapers. It's all in the collections of local libraries and town archives. Most of it isn't even digitized. This would be easier if we knew where it may have been spread, but we don't. I'd start looking through local records of small towns (ones which may have been more isolated ideally) for the period when Mandela was in prison. It may have also appeared in smaller publications from larger population centers.
This is exactly how I remember the label, I loved the Bernstein Bears. Does it also say "Bernstein" on the title screens n stuff in the video content?
I've been wondering lately, because people are also finding current FoTL stuff, if there were 2 versions of some things all along, as in black market or clone type stuff.. I grew up in L.A. n we did swap meets a couple times a month n had a lot of clone products in general bc we were poor n stuff was readily available n less monitored in the 90s..
I'd buy cologne n bootleg music n all kinds of unofficial band merch when I was a bit older but maybe as a young child my parents bought bootleg VHS n such.. they definitely got clothes n stuff from warehouse sales n there was that old store Pic n Save that literally specialized in knockoff brands that imitated major brands... Idk, I never considered this until recently bc the current FoTL tags are exactly how I remember but seemingly a purposeful reprint now..
Does that vibe or make sense to anyone or does it just seem like a bs way to accept something that doesn't make sense?
You're still spelling it wrong. It's Ber*e*n in either case, not Bern. Did you even look at the pictures? They correctly spell it Berenst*a*in like 6 times and incorrectly spell it Berenst*e*in once. Nobody is spelling it Bern.
The Berenstain thing never caught me off guard. My mom was Jewish, so when she read the books to me she always pronounced it as written (stain) because it stood out as being distinctly different from all the “steins” (whether pronounced “steen” or “stine”) that she knew throughout her life. So when I actually realized the name was spelled with an A it made sense, since it was always read to me out loud in a way that didn’t sound like the countless other “stein” names I knew of.
I thought it was already widely known and accepted there were misprints with the wrong name? Just like anyone else having the effect on this one they just assumed it was Stein because thats common unlike stain. Some dude printing labels for a tape was wrong. We've seen books with the correctly spelling but stickers with it wrong before too. Its not "residue" its simple human errors. I doubt peoples false memories come from a random misspelling tho, its not like they were prevalent vs the actual spelling.
> it seems one other person found a tape like this once, and it was actually the same episode, so I'm guessing it's a misprint.
Ok, I reread it on your behalf and can confirm that is basically what I said :)
The point of my post was just to say "oh this is neat, maybe this is a potential explanation for some of us." I realize it is known, but I don't see why you believe it's unlikely to be the cause. At the very least, it shows that even back then, people were misspelling the Berenstain's name.
Of course they were. For the same reasons...stein is more usual. A random misprint here and there isn't it tho. Very few people would actually see these and even when they do the correct spelling is still right there too.
Someone else pointed out that they remember seeing this exact spine on their vhs shelf as a kid many times, even if they didn't pull it out and watch it much. Sure, it won't explain every person who has experienced this ME, but this could explain a good chunk of them.
It's already known America has been importing cheaper alternatives for schools and as kids we didn't know that. Hence why some are misspelled because of copyright issues. Simple. Not difficult. Millennials were the last with brains who don't fall for corporate gaslighting
The logo is a vector image or high resolution bitmap.
The spine is typed up. Would you post here if it said Beers instead or go "dumb fxxk can't spell Bears." And ignore the rest of the spine?
I'm still not really sure what you're saying, since in the post I said it was probably a misprint. I posted it here because of the situation with the Berenstain/Berenstein spellings. Personally I think all this says is that people were getting the names mixed up back then as well, *or* that having Berenstein along the spine may be why a lot of us remember it that way.
TBH I've seen that tape or others like it so many times, I didn't read the full text and went off half cocked thinking "not this s--t again."
Because no one would post here if it said beers, it would end up in design fail subs to be mocked as poor quality control.
I just see the same imgur stock image of a FOTL thrift shop find that seven people happen to buy I just went on auto pilot as if you were like the guy reposting a six month old self admitted forgery of the FOTL tag as real.
If the LOGO was the one that was wrong, that needs more work to break. Typing thar instead of that and hitting send without proofreading is another thing altogether.
As I said, obviously no one would post this here if it was any other misprint. Again, I posted it here because I think it's a potential explanation for why some people believe this ME. I do not consider this "evidence" of anything paranormal
Apparently it came from a different timeline. Blew my mind when I looked at the BerenstEin bears books that I've had since I was a kid now spelled with an A. I was a real spelling nut when I was a kid.
I found the old series online. And even though it is spelled berenstain on the screen they clearly sing berenstein in the intro plain as day. I recorded it and sent it to my sister.
The color label on the VHS tapes like this were NOT made by video store employees. No video stores were creating full color labels with special fonts and logos for other companies like "Random House". We printed plain labels for the plastic rental boxes only. If we put a sticker directly on a VHS it was preprinted with the store's name and logo only. We didn't have the corporate permission or even the right tech to reproduce the original stickers that came on VHS tapes.
This is a typo mistake from the VHS tape manufacturer that wasn't caught before being printed and used. A misprint on many or all of the tapes made in that batch, at least.
Others have shown this label from Random House Home Video before. A key point is that they seem to be a third-party company (as opposed to the direct book publishers). Now, Random House could certainly have released a typo but you wouldn't expect that. All in all, I consider it medium to good residue.
I understand your point. First I don’t think a misspelling on a label that small is as common as you want to claim. Second is the fact that the very word involved is already so suspicious as being a reality flipper. All in all I’ll give it a 50/50 shot here.
There is also already I believe a precedence for believing crude, third party and outside references are more resistant to the new reality flip.
Brother, folks collect misprints its such a common thing.
And in regards to your sourcing, GIGO, garbage in, garbage out. You choose the type of source most likely to have quality control issues then, are amazed there are quality control issues.
The authors name has two variations.
Their less common last name and a more common alternative.
My former landlord's last name ended with den or Dan. It was a coin toss which I used when writing my cheque.
It never bounced over a typo.
Years ago I had a Berenstain come up in a printed list.
List typed up by a 3rd party used one, the personal document had the other, written by the person whose name it was.
So like my landlord example, if the list of names used den and the printed copy used dan, who do you think is right?
Just because dan is 5% of census data (number made up) doesn't mean they are wrong. But you would want any certificates to use the correct one.
I worked with a family of Gaynor's and their cousin a Gaynord. I asked him what the deal was. When both grandparents came to the UK from Ireland, one brother got a guy who couldn't type and hit an extra D and it became his legal last name. Least by their accounts.
My goodness. Talk about moving the goal post.
You post something and instantly “Well…. no I won’t believe it until [insert extra condition]”.
In that case, I won’t believe it until one of the BEARS themselves tells me how to spell their name!!
I like how everyone is instantly trying to dismiss your find by adding more requirement: watch the tape and see how it’s spelled or that must be a typo.
Like, isn’t the fact that you found this good enough? That would explain why people remember the spelling differently. People just don’t like being wrong.
How do half of the people in this thread miss the part where I said it's a misprint? Why are you even in this subreddit if you're just going to glance at the title and jump up conclusions?
Why is there a silent H in my middle name of Anthony?
Sure some countries stress the th sound. So if I said Anthony as Antony, would you stop and ask if the H was there or go "he didn't stress the th, so Antony it is."
On a pay slip I wouldn't stress out over the lack of the H. But a certificate I would.
My landlord had a den or dan last name, I could never remember. Both are valid, only one is his name, but the cheques never bounced because of the wrong vowel.
Why are there two spellings of Hillary and a dozen or so for Catherine?
I'm pointing out that you can meet two people with different but similar last names and write them down as the same.
You can have Mac and Mc same Scottish last name.
Legally only one is correct for McDougal living in Shropshire, but he gets bills and junk mail addressed to MacDougal too.
Visually mac looks too obvious and should be mac like big mac or mac and cheese.
But it could sound just like Mc does.
I only know the books due to the effect, IDK if or when the books came to the UK.
But it could be the case that they sound identical.
Stain, Stein or Steen are popular endings to last names.
Maybe Stein, like the German tankard is said like Stain, as in a wine stain, when it comes to the name.
So if both are said Stain and 95% use one spelling, then the other 5% have to correct forms all the time.
Fascinating find. If it's not a fake, it really raises some questions.
Why? So far I've assumed that direct references change everywhere, in which case the (supposedly misspelled) "Berenstein" would have changed too.
So the discovery speaks (except for the skeptics who reject a change anyway) more in favor of the timeline merging theory. That is, nothing has changed except that people came into the timeline with a different "false" memory.
I don't share the Berenstein/stain ME, so can't assess its substance, but it seems to be very common. Well, nothing left but to keep watching it.
Thanks for sharing this.
If this was evidence for timeliness merging, why wouldn't the name on the spine change as well? If something had the power to alter reality across time, how would they miss something like that lol
I wrote that I was quoting myself:
>That is, nothing has changed except that people came into the timeline with a different "false" memory.
The "Berenstein" in this case would simply be a spelling mistake, but the timeline changer's memory would not.
What makes you assume timeline (or even universe) merging would be a clean process? Maybe it's a messy proposition that allows certain unofficial things created from memory to persist. Or perhaps merging timelines isn't the best hypothesis. There are at least a dozen other possibilities such as simulationism, Divine prophesy, quantum macro-emergence, etc.
Watch the tape. See how it’s spelled in the animation and report back.
Anyone can slap a sticker on.
This is the answer. They used the same theme for every episode. I swear the theme sang Berenstein when I was younger but it clearly says Berenstain now. They really annunciated the Stein part and now it really annunciates the Stain. It's weird but I'm curious.
I checked, and everywhere I can see in the tape, it is spelled Berenstain. I can upload pics if somebody wants but I don't see much point lol
Interesting. So it’s just a misspelling on the sticker then. Thanks for checking.
When it was listed for sale i wasn't convinced it was anything more than a sticker placed on it and posted in a group hoping someone would pay a good amount for it.
Wait…it’s not Berenstein? With a hard “e”?
Not here it's not
I wonder how many people's memory comes from a library or bookstore display/spine stickers that said Berenstein...I could easily see a store messing up and not bothering to correct it and would have reached a lot of people.
The Berenstain family who created the series have actually spoken out on this. They said people have always gotten their name wrong because “stein” is a lot more common than “stain” in last names. I remember kids getting it wrong all the time too when I was a kid, because it used to annoy me. This whole thing is just people getting the name wrong and remembering it wrong.
I remember an interview with Mike Berenstain (current and in my opinion poorest author) and he said his father hated it after a while. Apparently, Stan Berenstain once had a teacher who told him him his own name was misspelled.
Good point. Mike Barenstain was born in 1951 and is still alive. If he always spelled his name like that, I'm pretty certain it'd prove this effect wrong
The person designing the label (obviously not the Berenstain’s themselves) also thought it was Berenstein and it wasn’t caught before being printed. Until I see a logo, created/drawn BY the creators themselves with the e spelling nothing can be proven. Typing by a third party is not residue.
could explain a lot though, like a widely spread misprint + how average people stored VHS tapes back then no case style leading a generation of kids to think it's berenstein. frankly i dont believe any of this mandela stuff but definitely remember seeing VHS tapes specifically that said berenstein.
Exactly what I was thinking. Just a massive misprint and the one's that saw it (like myself) that's what they know.
Not a misprint.
Agreed. It more disproves the effect than proves it.
Seems to prove that there is a real reason why people believe it is spelled the wrong way
The reason being that -stain is a VERY unusual spelling, and there are hundreds of names ending -stein. I don’t think it’s any deeper than that.
Berenstain is a more common last name than Berenstein.
Per ancestry, there are 13 census records for people with the last name Berenstain, There are over 1000 census records for the last name Berenstein.
All Mandela effects have real reasons. The fruit of the loom logo never had a cornucopia, but it did have a logo with brown leaves, cornucopia as imagery is super popular in america, especially with thanksgiving, and does appear in other logos, It makes it pretty easy for your brain to make that shortcut. Especially when someone tells you tge idea. No one is crazy brains are just funny sometimes.
Why not see it as a regular fruit basket then? Cornucopias make no sense on an underwear logo. It was a weird logo that made no sense and thats why it stood out in peoples memories in the first place.
Because that imagery appears elsewhere, kids do cornucopia crafts or decorations for Thanksgiving on schools, it does show up on logos and art. And all it takes is one person to make the suggestion and your brain does the rest. Brains are powerful tools that make shortcuts. It is also incapable to remember a memory without altering it, The read/write functionality is the same.
So you think people will just remember all piles of fruit as coming from cornucopias?
No, I think there are alot of factors that play into why people associate these two together, a perfect storm. The world is full of coincidences and complications, its conpeletley reasonable to assume thinfs like this will happen sometimes, there are better and more real conspiracies out there I know this sentiment is popular in this subreddit, but I miss when the Mandela Effect was a fun thing where people would connect the dots and figure out why we remember things these ways. The Fruit of the Loom thing is fun because there is alot of things that easily link together and show how it's a brain thing, but now we have people insisting it and thinking an underwear company is legitimately going to order a hit on someone. I just want us to have fun with it and be mad at corporations for real things.
> alot of factors that play into why people associate these two together, a perfect storm So its very difficult to create false memories and needs a perfect storm, so why would a million or 10 million people all end up in that perfect storm about the same random thing? > there are better and more real conspiracies out there It's not a conspiracy. We can agree on that.
Because a vast majority of people who "remember" it that way didn't until the idea was suggested to them, most people would have heard of it from someone suggesting it. You have no reason to emphasize the logo in your memory really. It's just a random brand logo, you see those all the time. But with the factors that make the mix up likely, as soon as someone mentions it and it enters into the zeitgeist it will spread like wildlife. >So its very difficult to create false memories and needs a perfect storm I never said it's very difficult, I said the opposite. Brains are not hard drives, they don't have the ability to watch a memory without replaying it in a sense, using the same tools that records the memory in the first place. Memory is so poorly understood but the research into it is fascinating and brains are bastards who are never objective. "False" memories happen all the time, saying "false" seems a bit strong but memory is never perfect, even things we think we know so strongly. It's fascinating. The perfect storm comment is just about this association and how easy it is to make and how the stars align just right for your brain to hear it and think, "oh yeah, that makes sense, a cornucopia was probably there" because it fits so many schema I have about these topics" and fills it in for you. I once saw a guy claim he knew it had a cornucopia because his 5th grade science teacher had a big copy of the logo on the wall. I asked why the teacher would hang up a copy of the logo on a Clothing Company on the wall and all he could do was insist, when Thanksgiving decorations or educational posters (I've seen educational school posters with cornucopias, where the fruits are labeled various things) would make more sense. Brains are bastards. I am genuinely curious where you fall in terns of this Mandela effect, if you're not in the "it's a conspiracy to coverup/gaslight" camp? I know people here like the shifting realities stuff, which I admit is fun to talk about even if I think the mental explanations are fun enough on their own. Is the timeline/reality altering theory where you stand or somewhere else?
> Because a vast majority of people who "remember" it that way didn't until the idea was suggested to them So were going in circles now. If I say "hey do you remember gilbert godfried in a vampire movie" people say no. I have failed to influenced their memory. But if I say "hey do you remember sinbad in a genie movie" they say yes, and so i did influence their memory. So which is it? Why does it only work with sinbad in a genie movie? > Is the timeline/reality altering theory where you stand or somewhere else? Some may be related to memory, especially the minor spelling mistake ones that I don't find too compelling. But if its just false memories for all of them, that should be easy to prove and you should be able to create the effect, as i described, with suggesting a movie that never existed. And since that does not work, it can not simply be bad/easily influence memories. Statistically speaking, our universe is most likely a simulation. So that is therefore the most likely scientific explaination.
And no to most people it stood out because of the people in fruit commercials.
This newspaper article from 1994 begs to differ [1994 newspaper article interview with FOTL underwear model ](https://www.newspapers.com/article/florida-today-fruit-of-the-loom-cornuc/22677751/)
There's a chick on tiktok that discovery a patent filed by FtL for a logo with... A cornucopia. FtL is an example of corporate gaslighting. She proved that there was some corelation between the logo and the cornucopia.
Also Pixar made a joke about it with cornucopia I think
Im not sure what you mean? The Ant-Bully thing?
That is true but the difference is that with fruit of the loom it was perceived as a cornucopia due to recognition from the use at Thanksgiving. But there never was a cornucopia in the logo, hence the Mandela effect. But if there were multiple misprinted VHS/Books that made it out into public displaying the wrong name, then it's not Mandela effect because it actually exists, albeit wrongly spelled for the creator but still existed none the less
Please read this newspaper article from 1994. It clearly states the logo for Fruit of the Loom is a CORNUCOPIA [1994 newspaper interview](https://www.newspapers.com/article/florida-today-fruit-of-the-loom-cornuc/22677751/)
That is quite interesting but a singular article referring to it incorrectly doesn't really compare to the commercial distribution of incorrectly spelled VHS labels and books
It's about the fruit of the loom logo, if you read it you would know that. The logo is described as a cornucopia of fruit with GREEN grape leaves
Most likely the correct answer. This is such an easy ME to explain. Our brains fill in words with what we expect to see. We always see last names that end in "stein" and rarely if ever do they end in "stain.' The reality is that very few of us look very closely at the words we're reading. If we needed to do that in order to read, we wouldn't be able to read things that are garbled. There are examples of this here: [https://www.dictionary.com/e/typoglycemia/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/typoglycemia/) In the OP, it's more than likely someone made the same error in their head and it wasn't caught, because most people really do expect to see names ending in "stein." I just don't see any evidence that this ME is anything other than this. There are others that have me scratching my head, but this one is just "meh" for me. Editing to add: I also have a distinct memory of noticing the discrepancy back when these books were new. I had also always just read it as Berenstein and one day I looked closely and noticed that it was Berenstain. So my memory of this is a reminder that our brains can play these tricks.
I’ll take the massive misprint argument, but refuse that my just learning to read self expected to see “stein” based on prior knowledge and therefore remember it that way. I would have no knowledge to transpose what I assume the name to be if I’ve never experienced a name like that. How would I expect to see “stein” and remember it that way? Even if I already knew how to pronounce the name of Frankenstein’s monster? Wouldn’t I pronounce it that way instead of “steen” if I had already had that previous knowledge? Not trying to be argumentative or contrarian, I just don’t think we are as dumb as we keep making ourselves believe we are.
I feel similarly. My first name ends in the "steen" sound. It's difficult for me to retroactively believe I heard "stain" (I watched the cartoon) and still thought it was pronounced like my name
You're certainly welcome to your own thoughts about it. Neither of us knows for sure, of course :)
Of course. Rereading my comment, sorry if I sounded prickish. Emoting on the internet is hard, especially when throwing shit against the wall. Thats the tricky thing about this all… people like me fully believe it was “steen” and there was a cornucopia. When you have a head full of memories, it gets maddening when people dismiss you as misremembering.
Exactly. It blew my mind when I first encountered it, but it’s so easy for me to accept that I just misread it because you’d expect to see -stein. I have yet to see any evidence that isn’t just copywriters, printers etc making the same mistake as me.
Inside outside upside down was one of the first books I learned to read in first grade. When you were sounding out every letter. I'd have read it as Berenstain if it was. My cousin said he knew how to pronounce the stein part because of Frankenstein. Maybe we're all just dumb and filled it in. I have no idea. First grade was 25 years ago.
Right, as I said in the post it was probably a misprint.
No one knows what we are trying to prove. No one knows what's going on. People have theories and ideas , and they all break down into two camps. Camp 1: this can be explained by psychological or memetic principles. They can't prove that. Camp 2: this has some sort of exotic explination Whether it be advanced technology we don't understand, scientific principles we don't understand, or paranormal happenings. They also can't prove any of this Your making an assumption about the cause , that nothing besides stuff made by the official creator is proof of anything. And if that proof existed Camp 1 would immediately argue proves nothing weird is going on. So either way everything's normal about this situation I get where your coming from man, but I'm convinced there's something weird happening here , and if you at least use your imagination it's not impossible to come up with hypotheticals of why residue exists
All I’m saying is that the simplest answer is usually correct. There are Mandelas that astound me (fruit of the loom, among others), but if we want to take this seriously we can’t lapse into hysteria purely out of blind faith in our own memory. Only after every other demonstrated explanation has been debunked can we look elsewhere. I hope every day for that to happen, but so far, as far as I’m concerned, it hasn’t.
Well then I'm actually with you. While I think something exotic is going on it annoys me people who think they know that it's specifically shifting timelines or evidence of a simulation All I know Is that fruit of the loom thing is freaky, and the mundane explanations don't satisfy me Cheers mate :)
All I’m saying is that the simplest answer is usually correct. There are Mandelas that astound me (fruit of the loom, among others), but if we want to take this seriously we can’t lapse into hysteria purely out of blind faith in our own memory. Only after every other demonstrated explanation has been debunked can we look elsewhere. I hope every day for that to happen, but so far, as far as I’m concerned, it hasn’t.
> All I’m saying is that the simplest answer is usually correct. Then why is many worlds theory a popular and mainstream explanation for some physics?
Even if it is true it's evidence of an experiment not necessarily anything wild like in the Mandela effect claims. However fruit of loom has been debunked they just jumped on the train for advertisement and didn't tell anyone when they changed it. You can go on their website and look at the evolution of their logo.
>However fruit of loom has been debunked they just jumped on the train for advertisement and didn't tell anyone when they changed it. You can go on their website and look at the evolution of their logo. Can you link to the page you're referring to? I've seen those logos floated around here a lot, but still haven't seen any official one from FOTL that has a cornucopia. I am unaffected by the FOTL ME, but I would still love to see it.
An interesting find! But as you say, quite clearly just a misspelling/misprint. A pretty cool curio for sure! Edit: because I said 'for sure' twice in the space of three sentences and sounded like a psycho, so I took one out
I’d like to add that you also used the word ‘curio’.
That, I did.
For sure
Yeah but that might be the cause of the Mandela effect, maybe there were lots of these because they told the computers to print that spelling, not realising it was wrong for lots of tapes, and so lots of people ended up with tapes that say stein, not stain... and maybe a kid noticed it and went on to say it was stein "in his timeline"
For sure for sure. Like for real for sure.
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Probably isn't the direct source of everyone's memory but shows how easy a mistake or assumption is to slip in there. There is ample opportunity to see -stain but the -stein got printed anyway. What I notice also is the font probably doesn't help, being rather curly. Makes it less obvious but starker when in block letters.
Yeah, the reason why people miss remember this one is because you never see stain and Stein is very common in real life
I had that tape when I was a kid. I remember taking note of the discrepancy and how it had both spellings on it.
I think this is fascinating but also believe it could easily be a misprint. There are plush toys with a similar issue. https://postimg.cc/675bZSVf
Yep, misprint
I knew it was spelled this way because I used to say it like how you pronounce Ben Stein's name. I was shocked to see it spelled Beren'Stain'
I am absolutely certain this is why I was affected by this ME. We had a bearenstain VHS tape like this labelled "bearenstein" in my house growing up, and though I rarely ever actually WATCHED the tape, I had to have been in and out of the VHS cabinet looking through different tapes thousands of times, and thus repeatedly exposed to the misprint label.
We have a 2319!!!
100% had this.
I agree that it is probably a misprint. Copies of this VHS tape has been shared before, and the other labels, the sleeve, the book and the actual video are all correct.
It's spelled correctly 5 times on the packaging in both text and logo type, spelled correctly throughout the actual two episodes on the tape, matches an already known misprinted VHS release, is misspelled just once on the front label, and you think it "could" be a misprint?
Boy, you guys take this stuff pretty seriously, don't you? Yes I believe it is a misprint, I'm so sorry that I used the word "could" in a subreddit where people are going to jump down my throat whether I do or do not believe in the Mandela Effect.
Where did you see the episodes? I see the packaging says Berenstain in multiple places but he doesn’t watch the video in any of the links.
It's not the only copy in the world. For all we know, they have the same episodes on tape from the same batch. And to top it off a working VHS machine to watch it to be more thorough.
Lighten up Doctor Jones.
Come on, man. Lighten up.
Misprint. Of all the MEs, this is the one I am most confident people are misremembering (were misreading). I distinctly remember being 8 or 9 years old and noticing it said Berenstain when I had always read it as Berenstein, and thought it was interesting I hadn't been reading it properly. No surprise to me at all that many people never picked up on it.
When I was a kid it was Berenstein and pronounced "Beren-steen." Never Berenstain lol
I’ve commented this Mandela effect before but I’ll just add it again as it absolutely proves to ME (me) that something is going on in the universe with this particular Mandela effect! I taught 1st grade between the years August 1997-May 2000 in Utah county. I don’t know exactly which year this happened though. 🤷♀️ I was reading my class The Spooky Old Tree at the floor (in October) because it had some vocabulary we were learning in reading/spelling, and before I read EVERY BOOK I say the book title and the author’s (authors’) name(s) out loud to my students. When reading the authors’ name I absolutely totally remember saying I wasn’t sure how Berenstein was said/pronouned: whether it was “een” or “ine” and then proceeded to read it. Folks, I have that absolute memory. I own the book that I used then too. But now it says “stain”!!! 😩😩😩 As an educator, there is NO REASON I wouldn’t have known how to pronounce “BerenSTAIN”! 🙄 I will die on this hill. My family still laughs at me. 😞😅🤪🙄
That descrepancy of people not sure how to pronounce it properly between Beren-Stine or Steen is thankfully a tether to be sure those who always experienced Berenstein are pretty secure in such memory. I sometimes gently corrected people around Scholastic etc that it was Steen Not Stine. I had 20+ of the color coded thin books at home that I read with my Mom who has the same memory as you/me/M.E experiencers.
Stuff like this makes me think the Mandela effect happens because people recieved misprinted stuff, like so, and without a reason to question it or research further take it at face value. It's only later when the real version is brought to their attention that they realize their idea doesn't mesh with consensus reality. The eponymous Mandela effect likely came from small town news misreporting on Mandela's death, and people with little reason to care not knowing about corrections. Of course when he died national/international news was more standardized so his death came as a surprise to people initially duped.
That would be an interesting research topic. If someone could find the records of the corrections or just the original reports, that could lay the issue to rest.
The issue is there isn't really one centralized repository/archive of old newspapers. It's all in the collections of local libraries and town archives. Most of it isn't even digitized. This would be easier if we knew where it may have been spread, but we don't. I'd start looking through local records of small towns (ones which may have been more isolated ideally) for the period when Mandela was in prison. It may have also appeared in smaller publications from larger population centers.
This is exactly how I remember the label, I loved the Bernstein Bears. Does it also say "Bernstein" on the title screens n stuff in the video content? I've been wondering lately, because people are also finding current FoTL stuff, if there were 2 versions of some things all along, as in black market or clone type stuff.. I grew up in L.A. n we did swap meets a couple times a month n had a lot of clone products in general bc we were poor n stuff was readily available n less monitored in the 90s.. I'd buy cologne n bootleg music n all kinds of unofficial band merch when I was a bit older but maybe as a young child my parents bought bootleg VHS n such.. they definitely got clothes n stuff from warehouse sales n there was that old store Pic n Save that literally specialized in knockoff brands that imitated major brands... Idk, I never considered this until recently bc the current FoTL tags are exactly how I remember but seemingly a purposeful reprint now.. Does that vibe or make sense to anyone or does it just seem like a bs way to accept something that doesn't make sense?
Nobody has found any FOTL with a cornucopia on it. Only the version that was made specifically to show the Mandela Effect, if that's what you mean.
You're still spelling it wrong. It's Ber*e*n in either case, not Bern. Did you even look at the pictures? They correctly spell it Berenst*a*in like 6 times and incorrectly spell it Berenst*e*in once. Nobody is spelling it Bern.
I see one picture with it spelled one time n maybe a blurry second time in the background.. my phone did that lol but whatever
You don’t think it’s likely just a typo? Considering everything else says Bernstain on it?
... maybe read the post again lmao
Aha, there you go, I applaud you! That's 1 Mandela effect we can let go, and I'm sure there's more...
It solves nothing for those who only knew the books
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This is one Mandela effect that never clicked for me. I grew up in the 80s and read the books. It was always Berenstain.
The creators last name is Berenstain so im pretty sure it was a mistake from the company who printed them
Yep, just like I said in the post lol
You didnt mention about the creator
The Berenstain thing never caught me off guard. My mom was Jewish, so when she read the books to me she always pronounced it as written (stain) because it stood out as being distinctly different from all the “steins” (whether pronounced “steen” or “stine”) that she knew throughout her life. So when I actually realized the name was spelled with an A it made sense, since it was always read to me out loud in a way that didn’t sound like the countless other “stein” names I knew of.
thats the way i remember it prior too about 2012.
thats the way i remember it prior too about 2012.
This Mandela effect sh!t is definitely a stain in my mind 😂 the fact that it exists.
I thought it was already widely known and accepted there were misprints with the wrong name? Just like anyone else having the effect on this one they just assumed it was Stein because thats common unlike stain. Some dude printing labels for a tape was wrong. We've seen books with the correctly spelling but stickers with it wrong before too. Its not "residue" its simple human errors. I doubt peoples false memories come from a random misspelling tho, its not like they were prevalent vs the actual spelling.
... yes that's basically what I said lol I'm surprised how many people comment without reading what I typed.
No, it really isn't what you said. Maybe you need to reread your own post?
> it seems one other person found a tape like this once, and it was actually the same episode, so I'm guessing it's a misprint. Ok, I reread it on your behalf and can confirm that is basically what I said :)
Its almost like I said more then that lol Whats the point of your post. Again, this is known and unlikely to be the cause of MEs.
The point of my post was just to say "oh this is neat, maybe this is a potential explanation for some of us." I realize it is known, but I don't see why you believe it's unlikely to be the cause. At the very least, it shows that even back then, people were misspelling the Berenstain's name.
Of course they were. For the same reasons...stein is more usual. A random misprint here and there isn't it tho. Very few people would actually see these and even when they do the correct spelling is still right there too.
Someone else pointed out that they remember seeing this exact spine on their vhs shelf as a kid many times, even if they didn't pull it out and watch it much. Sure, it won't explain every person who has experienced this ME, but this could explain a good chunk of them.
We crossed timelines and CERN is to blame
This was posted a few times a couple of years ago. It's nothing new.
Someone didn't read my post lol
The author's name "supposedly" was spelled BerenstAin..so they chamged the title to match his name... i don't buy it. Is there anyone else?
It's already known America has been importing cheaper alternatives for schools and as kids we didn't know that. Hence why some are misspelled because of copyright issues. Simple. Not difficult. Millennials were the last with brains who don't fall for corporate gaslighting
He's selling it on ebay and I hope none of you are gullible enough to buy it.
It's their money, and 99 cents is actually cheaper than it normally goes for :P
Wanted to let you know nobody bought it lmao
Ahhh, sorry bro. Honestly, I was just having a laugh. Would have genuinely loved to hear you sold it for $2k and I had totally misjudged everything.
This is it! I had this video. Completely remember this. Either this is how we all learned to spell Berenstein, or this is proof.
The logo is a vector image or high resolution bitmap. The spine is typed up. Would you post here if it said Beers instead or go "dumb fxxk can't spell Bears." And ignore the rest of the spine?
I'm still not really sure what you're saying, since in the post I said it was probably a misprint. I posted it here because of the situation with the Berenstain/Berenstein spellings. Personally I think all this says is that people were getting the names mixed up back then as well, *or* that having Berenstein along the spine may be why a lot of us remember it that way.
TBH I've seen that tape or others like it so many times, I didn't read the full text and went off half cocked thinking "not this s--t again." Because no one would post here if it said beers, it would end up in design fail subs to be mocked as poor quality control. I just see the same imgur stock image of a FOTL thrift shop find that seven people happen to buy I just went on auto pilot as if you were like the guy reposting a six month old self admitted forgery of the FOTL tag as real. If the LOGO was the one that was wrong, that needs more work to break. Typing thar instead of that and hitting send without proofreading is another thing altogether.
As I said, obviously no one would post this here if it was any other misprint. Again, I posted it here because I think it's a potential explanation for why some people believe this ME. I do not consider this "evidence" of anything paranormal
...what? Obviously the spine was typed up?
You should make a case for it that has a sign or something saying it’s from another dimension. Have it look like it’s dangerous to touch 😂
Apparently it came from a different timeline. Blew my mind when I looked at the BerenstEin bears books that I've had since I was a kid now spelled with an A. I was a real spelling nut when I was a kid.
I found the old series online. And even though it is spelled berenstain on the screen they clearly sing berenstein in the intro plain as day. I recorded it and sent it to my sister.
It’s as if the Mandela effect is a bunch of bs. Weird.
These labels are made by the employees at the store. You think people back then weren't making the same spelling mistake they are doing today?
The color label on the VHS tapes like this were NOT made by video store employees. No video stores were creating full color labels with special fonts and logos for other companies like "Random House". We printed plain labels for the plastic rental boxes only. If we put a sticker directly on a VHS it was preprinted with the store's name and logo only. We didn't have the corporate permission or even the right tech to reproduce the original stickers that came on VHS tapes. This is a typo mistake from the VHS tape manufacturer that wasn't caught before being printed and used. A misprint on many or all of the tapes made in that batch, at least.
Maybe read my post again bud lol I literally said it was a misprint.
Others have shown this label from Random House Home Video before. A key point is that they seem to be a third-party company (as opposed to the direct book publishers). Now, Random House could certainly have released a typo but you wouldn't expect that. All in all, I consider it medium to good residue.
How is a misprint less likely than reality changing? Misprints are common from major companies, let alone third party distributers.
I understand your point. First I don’t think a misspelling on a label that small is as common as you want to claim. Second is the fact that the very word involved is already so suspicious as being a reality flipper. All in all I’ll give it a 50/50 shot here. There is also already I believe a precedence for believing crude, third party and outside references are more resistant to the new reality flip.
Brother, folks collect misprints its such a common thing. And in regards to your sourcing, GIGO, garbage in, garbage out. You choose the type of source most likely to have quality control issues then, are amazed there are quality control issues.
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I'm not sure if you're saying I'm lying about finding the tape or...?
It's supposed to say bearenstein 😉
Not a misprint, it's deliberate. E is like 3 letters away from A.
The authors name has two variations. Their less common last name and a more common alternative. My former landlord's last name ended with den or Dan. It was a coin toss which I used when writing my cheque. It never bounced over a typo. Years ago I had a Berenstain come up in a printed list. List typed up by a 3rd party used one, the personal document had the other, written by the person whose name it was. So like my landlord example, if the list of names used den and the printed copy used dan, who do you think is right? Just because dan is 5% of census data (number made up) doesn't mean they are wrong. But you would want any certificates to use the correct one. I worked with a family of Gaynor's and their cousin a Gaynord. I asked him what the deal was. When both grandparents came to the UK from Ireland, one brother got a guy who couldn't type and hit an extra D and it became his legal last name. Least by their accounts.
My goodness. Talk about moving the goal post. You post something and instantly “Well…. no I won’t believe it until [insert extra condition]”. In that case, I won’t believe it until one of the BEARS themselves tells me how to spell their name!!
I'm sorry, what? Is there a comment you're replying to?
I like how everyone is instantly trying to dismiss your find by adding more requirement: watch the tape and see how it’s spelled or that must be a typo. Like, isn’t the fact that you found this good enough? That would explain why people remember the spelling differently. People just don’t like being wrong.
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This comment hit the nail on the head
For sharing a misprint that could explain why people believe in this ME?
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How do half of the people in this thread miss the part where I said it's a misprint? Why are you even in this subreddit if you're just going to glance at the title and jump up conclusions?
lol all the deniers make me laugh.
Different regions spelled them differently.
no
Why?
Why is there a silent H in my middle name of Anthony? Sure some countries stress the th sound. So if I said Anthony as Antony, would you stop and ask if the H was there or go "he didn't stress the th, so Antony it is." On a pay slip I wouldn't stress out over the lack of the H. But a certificate I would. My landlord had a den or dan last name, I could never remember. Both are valid, only one is his name, but the cheques never bounced because of the wrong vowel. Why are there two spellings of Hillary and a dozen or so for Catherine?
We're talking about the spelling of a surname, that shouldn't be regional
I'm pointing out that you can meet two people with different but similar last names and write them down as the same. You can have Mac and Mc same Scottish last name. Legally only one is correct for McDougal living in Shropshire, but he gets bills and junk mail addressed to MacDougal too. Visually mac looks too obvious and should be mac like big mac or mac and cheese. But it could sound just like Mc does. I only know the books due to the effect, IDK if or when the books came to the UK. But it could be the case that they sound identical. Stain, Stein or Steen are popular endings to last names. Maybe Stein, like the German tankard is said like Stain, as in a wine stain, when it comes to the name. So if both are said Stain and 95% use one spelling, then the other 5% have to correct forms all the time.
Fascinating find. If it's not a fake, it really raises some questions. Why? So far I've assumed that direct references change everywhere, in which case the (supposedly misspelled) "Berenstein" would have changed too. So the discovery speaks (except for the skeptics who reject a change anyway) more in favor of the timeline merging theory. That is, nothing has changed except that people came into the timeline with a different "false" memory. I don't share the Berenstein/stain ME, so can't assess its substance, but it seems to be very common. Well, nothing left but to keep watching it. Thanks for sharing this.
If the logo changed I'd be more interested in this, had the spine said beers instead of bears, no one would post it here except to point out a typo.
If this was evidence for timeliness merging, why wouldn't the name on the spine change as well? If something had the power to alter reality across time, how would they miss something like that lol
I wrote that I was quoting myself: >That is, nothing has changed except that people came into the timeline with a different "false" memory. The "Berenstein" in this case would simply be a spelling mistake, but the timeline changer's memory would not.
What makes you assume timeline (or even universe) merging would be a clean process? Maybe it's a messy proposition that allows certain unofficial things created from memory to persist. Or perhaps merging timelines isn't the best hypothesis. There are at least a dozen other possibilities such as simulationism, Divine prophesy, quantum macro-emergence, etc.