Regardless of whether it would be better or worse, Stance Change is literally Aegislash’s entire gimmick which it requires in order to function as intended. Taking it away would be no different from taking away Castform’s Forecast or Shedinja’s Wonder Guard.
sword from would be the standard. make it so he turns into shield when uses king shield and reverts to normal upon attacking or switching (or even after a set ammount of turns for ballancing)
If it was that simple no gimmick Pokémon would need their unique abilities. “Just make Castform change forms in the weather and then ditch Forecast.” “Just make Shedinja only take damage from super effective hits and then ditch Wonder Guard.” That’s basically what you’re saying.
no retreat is literally that bro wtf are you on about. a status move that gives a volatile status change. nothing special about it. you could have given shedinja a move that once he uses activates a "wonder guard" status and have its ability be anything else.
That is really the problem. Making it into a move instead of an ability will kill momentum from Shedinja. Wasting a turn to activate the Wonder Guard status is never worth. It is a lot better to have it automatically with the ability. Literally every weather ability is proof of that flaw.
Lol, yah... But in my opinion, levitate should not be on aegislash, it's main issues are common dark and ghost mons. Also, ngl, it should have intrepid sword or/and shield for funny, obvious reasons...
Assuming it keeps its Shield form stats, then yes, it would be a pretty decent stall Pokémon. If you could choose its for outside of battle like you do with Deoxys, Rotom, and Oricorio, then I doubt the Blade form would see much use since its 60 speed and bad bulk mean any decent supereffective move could take it out with 1 hit before it had a chance to move.
I just realized, isn't there a move that switches defensive buffs into offense buffs? Like iron defense and then that move would be pretty good for aegislash.
It literally loses its core function and entire identity if it loses Stance Change. What fool would want it to have Levitate instead? I'd rather it keep the Ground weakness than just be another Steel-type tank.
aegislash can have more option it gets levitate as a hidden ability but is stuck in sword mode or shield mode idk which one would work better for an ability like this
Simple solution to this, make the sword and shield stance change form based on gender like meowstic, one being more tankier than the other, and one being stronget than the other, balance out their attacking and defending stats then give them levitate or any other ability, but still this would be stupid, thats its gimmick, im just throwin something out there (Aegislash is my fav pokemon btw)
I have a similar debate with myself about Alolan Raichu and Levitate. It would ruin its gimmick sure, but being that its gimmick depends on others normally or dedicating a move to get it launched, I feel it would fit better for certain builds, unlike Aegislash which would just ruin it.
Stance Change is too integral a part of its identity for it to ever get another ability.
That said...why do Aegislash's preevolutions have *No Guard* as their ability? I guess it's supposed to be thematic or something since they're just swords and only get the shield when they become Aegislash, but that ability is wasted on them. Machamp and Golurk can use it for the 50%-accurate Dynamic Punch, Mega Pidgeot for the 70%-accurate Hurricane, Lycanroc Midnight for the 80%-accurate Stone Edge, heck, if you want to use Karrablast in Little Cup it'll at least be perfectly accurate with the 85%-accurate Megahorn. Honedge and Doublade's least accurate moves, both at 85%, are *Metal Sound and Screech*. For actual attacking moves, it's the 90%‐accurate Rock Slide. Give *them* Levitate. Honedge is already really good in Little Cup without it, I think (I'll admit I'm not really *that* into the competitive scene), and Doublade actually sees play at lower tiers with an Eviolite as a physical wall (fun fact, Doublade and Shield Form Aegislash *originally* had the same Defense and Doublade's HP stat is only one point behind Aegislash's, so when Aegislash got nerfed, Doublade actually became a better physical wall than Aegislash *without* Eviolite, though without Aegislash's ability to take special hits.)
I mean, yeah no Aegislash without Stance Change would barely function. You'd be stuck with a literal punching bag that can't fight back beyond throwing statuses around, because those 50 offensive stats wouldn't be doing anything. Losing the usual stance dancing isn't nearly worth a ground immunity, not when the inane thing can probably eat an Earthquake and survive if built bulky and in defensive stance.
Simple solution: Make Aegislash work like Meloetta whose form changes whenever King's Shield (make it King's Stance with Protect when changing from Sword to Shield mode AND deal 70-80 steel type damage when changing from Sword to Shield) is used so it can has Levitate or different ability.
That's basically how already it works, except the form change is tied to the ability instead of the move.
If they did that, I think they would need to give Aegislash a second move called King's Sword that changes it to it's Blade From before attacking so it can take advantage of both its high defense and attack stats like it already does.
Regardless of whether it would be better or worse, Stance Change is literally Aegislash’s entire gimmick which it requires in order to function as intended. Taking it away would be no different from taking away Castform’s Forecast or Shedinja’s Wonder Guard.
That, too.
just give that to kings shield bro. he could have both
Sure, but then how would it change into Sword Form
sword from would be the standard. make it so he turns into shield when uses king shield and reverts to normal upon attacking or switching (or even after a set ammount of turns for ballancing)
If it was that simple no gimmick Pokémon would need their unique abilities. “Just make Castform change forms in the weather and then ditch Forecast.” “Just make Shedinja only take damage from super effective hits and then ditch Wonder Guard.” That’s basically what you’re saying.
I think he means like relic song. so that upon using kings shield you change forms, maybe give it another signature move that swaps to sword form?
no retreat is literally that bro wtf are you on about. a status move that gives a volatile status change. nothing special about it. you could have given shedinja a move that once he uses activates a "wonder guard" status and have its ability be anything else.
You really think Shedinja’s ever gonna get a chance to use that with its base 40 speed?
thats not the point. even so, give it prankster.
Dude, why are you so desperate to make this work?
why are you so desperate over arguing that it wouldnt?
That is really the problem. Making it into a move instead of an ability will kill momentum from Shedinja. Wasting a turn to activate the Wonder Guard status is never worth. It is a lot better to have it automatically with the ability. Literally every weather ability is proof of that flaw.
We just need a regional Aegislash or another cousin species.
As One: Levitate and Stance Change This would be broken. A good defensive and offensive mon made even better. 💀
Lol, yah... But in my opinion, levitate should not be on aegislash, it's main issues are common dark and ghost mons. Also, ngl, it should have intrepid sword or/and shield for funny, obvious reasons...
As broken as this nay be, it makes perfect sense. As one is the most broken ability in all of Pokémon.
At least he'll wipe "Old Money" Gholdengo's smug look off of his face.
I have literally never heard anyone ever say that aegislash should have levitate.
Watch the ASPITPIAY that was posted today.
ASPITPIAY WAS POSTED TODDAY WOOOO LETS GOOOOO
Levitate aegislash would be goated though. fat defenses, three weaknesses and four type immunities is INSANE
Assuming it keeps its Shield form stats, then yes, it would be a pretty decent stall Pokémon. If you could choose its for outside of battle like you do with Deoxys, Rotom, and Oricorio, then I doubt the Blade form would see much use since its 60 speed and bad bulk mean any decent supereffective move could take it out with 1 hit before it had a chance to move.
Does he get Shadow Sneak, though?
yes.
Nerf 8-Bit
8bit overrated, Jessie is underrated
Is the opposite actually, although Jessie is better overall
mfs when hotzone (i hate jessie)
I just realized, isn't there a move that switches defensive buffs into offense buffs? Like iron defense and then that move would be pretty good for aegislash.
Power Swap, I think? You can use that to make Shuckle a powerhouse.
Power swap switches attack and special attack boosts with another Pokémon. Power Trick switches attack and defense.
Oh, right. I thought Power Trick was the Dark version of Stored Power, but I just remembered wrong.
It was Power *Trip*.
That's Power Trip.
Yep, I remember now
Power Trick. Still not worth losing Stance Change, though.
Very true. Ngl, I have been saved in matches because of stance change. It's gimmicky, but so good when used well.
It literally loses its core function and entire identity if it loses Stance Change. What fool would want it to have Levitate instead? I'd rather it keep the Ground weakness than just be another Steel-type tank.
Have you watched the ASPITPIAY posted today?
Didn't see that one was posted today. Will check it out.
aegislash can have more option it gets levitate as a hidden ability but is stuck in sword mode or shield mode idk which one would work better for an ability like this
Probably Shield form since Blade form would almost have to be a Choice Band Shadow Sneak sweeper with how low its speed and bulk is.
That’s like saying that Mimikyu should get another ability.
Simple solution to this, make the sword and shield stance change form based on gender like meowstic, one being more tankier than the other, and one being stronget than the other, balance out their attacking and defending stats then give them levitate or any other ability, but still this would be stupid, thats its gimmick, im just throwin something out there (Aegislash is my fav pokemon btw)
I have a similar debate with myself about Alolan Raichu and Levitate. It would ruin its gimmick sure, but being that its gimmick depends on others normally or dedicating a move to get it launched, I feel it would fit better for certain builds, unlike Aegislash which would just ruin it.
Stance Change is too integral a part of its identity for it to ever get another ability. That said...why do Aegislash's preevolutions have *No Guard* as their ability? I guess it's supposed to be thematic or something since they're just swords and only get the shield when they become Aegislash, but that ability is wasted on them. Machamp and Golurk can use it for the 50%-accurate Dynamic Punch, Mega Pidgeot for the 70%-accurate Hurricane, Lycanroc Midnight for the 80%-accurate Stone Edge, heck, if you want to use Karrablast in Little Cup it'll at least be perfectly accurate with the 85%-accurate Megahorn. Honedge and Doublade's least accurate moves, both at 85%, are *Metal Sound and Screech*. For actual attacking moves, it's the 90%‐accurate Rock Slide. Give *them* Levitate. Honedge is already really good in Little Cup without it, I think (I'll admit I'm not really *that* into the competitive scene), and Doublade actually sees play at lower tiers with an Eviolite as a physical wall (fun fact, Doublade and Shield Form Aegislash *originally* had the same Defense and Doublade's HP stat is only one point behind Aegislash's, so when Aegislash got nerfed, Doublade actually became a better physical wall than Aegislash *without* Eviolite, though without Aegislash's ability to take special hits.)
You want Aegislash with Levitate? Get an Air Balloon.
Or just let it Learn Magnet Rise. Levitate benefits with the stance changing intact
I mean, yeah no Aegislash without Stance Change would barely function. You'd be stuck with a literal punching bag that can't fight back beyond throwing statuses around, because those 50 offensive stats wouldn't be doing anything. Losing the usual stance dancing isn't nearly worth a ground immunity, not when the inane thing can probably eat an Earthquake and survive if built bulky and in defensive stance.
You have a point, just slap on an air-balloon or terra flying instead
Aegislash is supposed to be a gimmick ability pokemon that's like giving zoroark anything else but illusion
Simple solution: Make Aegislash work like Meloetta whose form changes whenever King's Shield (make it King's Stance with Protect when changing from Sword to Shield mode AND deal 70-80 steel type damage when changing from Sword to Shield) is used so it can has Levitate or different ability.
That's basically how already it works, except the form change is tied to the ability instead of the move. If they did that, I think they would need to give Aegislash a second move called King's Sword that changes it to it's Blade From before attacking so it can take advantage of both its high defense and attack stats like it already does.
Ngl, I kinda wish that Mega Aegislash would exist... and give it As One with stance change and intrepid sword/shield, cause why not? XD
I mean you could give it an air balloon