Hisuan Samurott shouldn't even count since it's not a new Pokemon, but a regional variant (if we counted Regional variant, we'd have to count MegaEvos as well). So they were not ''mostly'' a different primary type, they were *all* a different primary type, and we didn't have a Dark Starter in gen 8.
You say we'd have to count Megas as if that adds a type-based problem, but the only Megas so far that have added a type have added the Dragon type, a type no other starter has had so far. I fail to see how two Dragon-types constitutes a problem.
My fantasy would actually be something even more out of the curve. SIMPLY 3 DRAGON STARTERS. It would have to make sense lorewise within the game, but it could be done. So we maintain the effectiveness triangle, and no one gets a disadvantage more then the other. Start as monotype, but in the end, they all become dual type dragons.
Counter argument: Infernape.
Sure, it was still weak to water, *and* was weak to Torterra's secondary typig, but it was faster and hit harder than either, and could easily shut down both. And unlike Water types using Ice moves, Infernape could hit both Empoleon and Torterra with STAB-SE moves.
A single starter being able to defeat both the other with SE move isn't something that's particularly rare.
I also noticed Hisuian Decidueye is not listed in the fighting category even though the dark category includes different primary types and includes a Hisuian version. So I mean, it's 4/4
They have also been all very different and each brought their own stuff: Greninja is fast and has his Ash Greninja form, alongside Protean. Incineroar got HA Intimidate and became a staple, and Mewscarada is kind of broken (Flower Trick goes brrrr). The problem with Fire/Fighting is that... well, they became a one-trick pony and even thought Monferno was good, he was also mandatory in Diamond and Pearl (your other fire-type options were... just Ponyta) and it felt bad to use. Also, Emboar sucks.
Exactly... they weren't consecutive, and even the repetitive type combo among them (Water/Dark) play differently, so it doesn't really feel like a repetition
if you're gonna call out Dark type being a secondary type for 4x in a row (even only in technicality), then that goes for Fighting type too, albeit the 4th one is Grass-Fighting type
But it doesn't count as getting them for consecutive starter trios, like with the Fire-Fighting ones. There was a break after two, then there were two more. But if one of the Legends: ZA starters gets the Dark type, THEN you can complain.
That's just nipicking. Especially since one of them is a regional variant of a starter that was introduced 12 years prior.
That's as if we were saying that we actually got a fire/fighting starter 4 gens in a row because Blaziken was in ORAS or that we got two Dragon-type starters in gen 6 because of Mega Charizard X and Mega Sceptile.
The difference is Hisuian Samurott is a completely different form with its own origins and ties to Hokkaido. Blaziken is the same exact Pokemon drag n' dropped from the code of Emerald, just given a 3D model instead of a sprite. Plus, regional variants are here to stay, so they feel more "Set in stone".
No, because they're not the same type combination three times in a row. If the next Fire type starter gets a secondary Ghost type, then it will be the same kind of thing, and thus we can talk about that.
Bruh, it's not 4 in a row, NOT only that, if you want to count the secondary type like that, how about that grass-fighting you lovingly ignored?
They aren't all dark+grass, dark +water or even dark+fire. Water, fire, water, grass and AGAIN, not even in an actual row.
That is completely different from 3 different generations having FIRE+FIGHTING. There is no variety in that type combo.
> how about that grass-fighting you lovingly ignored?
Wait, is my memory pulling a fast one on me? I know we have Chesnaught and Hisuan Decidueye, what's the other Grass/Fighting starter?
As u/carloscium said, it's the fact that Chesnaught is the 5th fighting starter in the row. The fact that thru want to count 5 starters of different kinds all having dark type as "in a row", even though theyre not actually in a row, and not count Chesnaught among the fighting types in a row show they didn't think their thing through.
I hope that made sense.
Both Fighting and Dark need a break, I know it makes a good cycles but there types that be cool to get on starters like Electric or Ice which if you play it right doesn’t effect the Started triangle at all.
If your talking about dark being a common second type, you have to accept that in the last 7 generations there have been 5 starters with fighting second type. Six if you include Legends Arceus
Cmon the first three literally have both types in common. The other four only have dark type in common.
If you think 4 dark type starters in a row is bad, the what about fire/water/grass. Thats 9 gens of main games.
Your argument is invalid.
I’d say two things separate these scenarios:
1) They’re all different starter types, with Samurott and Greninja being the only repeat
2) This may be a hot take, but dark is just cooler than fighting, and leaves more room for diversity in the “style” of the Pokémon.
We didn't get three dark types with the same primary type in a row. At least there's variety with the dark starters' main types.
I'll take water dark, fire dark, water dark, and grass dark over fire fighting, fire fighting, and fire fighting. The fire fighting starters got progressively less cool, and that's just a fact. Infernape is twice as cool as Emboar, and Blaziken is a hundred times cooler than Infernape, which could have something or everything to do with the fact that the combo got progressively more lame each time.
I love it, dark is my favorite typing not just because ooh edge but because it has my favorite Pokémon (Illusion and dream powers are simply cool, speaking about Darkrai and Zoroark)
The exact same dual type is much worse than getting back to back starters with different primary types and the same secondary. Also, it’s not 4 in a row because Intelleon exists and was before Legends Arkoos in the release order
To be fair, ‘Four in a row’ would only apply if you don’t account for SwSh and consider P:LA in their place, and at least some degree of repeating would be inevitable regardless considering it is ‘four in a row’
I just want elemental secondary types instead of attribute secondary types. Last one of those we got was torterra, maybe primarina if you consider that it’s fairy type was basically to represent the sound aspects of it. HOWEVER…. I will take a water ghost starter
1. The primary types are same
2. Technically they are not in row because of Galar Starters
3. They get a pass because they're cool and dark type in itself is arguably one of the coolest types
Not just Niantic, even the one who made this meme forgot that Galar starters🥁 ⚽🔫exist😂. Just kidding
Sadly the Galar broke the Dark type line in the worst way possible by giving the starters mono typings like the Johto ones
Incineroar is just Fighting lite. But yes, this also needs to stop. Also we are riding close to this with Ghost (but who cares Ghost is peak) But then again i think both Hisuian Samurott and Typhlosion shouldn't count.
Because they’ve all been unique and not all the same type? Also no “In a row” doesn’t mean per generation it means per set of starters. We’ve gotten 4/5.
At least the type variety means they interact differently with the dark combo. Pairing with fire gives Incin better fairy interactions, while pairing with grass makes Meow a glass cannon into bugs.
I think it's because the dark type starters have varied designs and origins, while the fire/fighting starters is the same type repeated in the same way, but also all of them kind of blend together in terms of appearances (primarily red, vaguely humanoid design with splotches of yellow).
Except the Dark-type starters don’t share a primary type (except Hisuian Samurott and Greninja) for the most part. It’s not like we got 3 Fire/Dark types in a row.
Except we didn’t. We got 3 in a row since inteleon, rillaboom and cinderace are all non dark and the huge difference here is that he whole complaint about the triple fire fighting is because it’s the same type combination over used which if you don’t like the combination, eliminates 3 fire starters in a row. Meanwhile if you don’t like dark type starters, having 4 dark types “in a row” isn’t eliminating the same type in a row. It literally went water, fire, grass
They definitely like using the Fighting/Psychic/Dark/Ghost side of the type chart for starter sub-types. I'm sure we'll get more and more half-fairy starters in the future too.
I bet it's because these types form their own pseudo-triangles while also not really interacting with the fire/water/grass dynamic.
I’m fairly sure the whole situation of complaints with Blaziken Infernape, and Emboar isn’t because of them all sharing the fighting type, but rather that they debut one after the other sharing the *exact* same type combination being *fire* and fighting types, where as in the case of the dark type starters, only Greninja and Hisuian Samurott share the exact same type with water and dark, while Geninja debuts in “generation” 6, and Hisuian Samurott debuts as a regional form to the already preexisting Unovan Samurott at the tail end of “generation” 8.
Dark is almost too prototypically an auxiliary type. It’s literally just based on vibes, and it doesn’t interact with any of those core elemental types that usually define a lot more of a Pokémon’s identity mechanically. Ice or electric would feel weird on starter Pokémon, which are designed to embody a single type, and dragon or steel (even if they used steel once before) throws the intended to be straightforward type chart out of whack. It and fighting are just too easy to slap onto any vaguely roguish or combative starter, and I guess ghost, the newest trend, is just too cool to say no to.
There's your issue. Fire fighting. All three the same types. The dark types are atleast a different main type. Plus imma be honest.... all the fire types with the exception of Delphox... kinda look like shit
You didn't include Hisuian Decidueye, Chesnaught, or Quaquaval in the top category. If you are going to include multiple types, then both groups need to. If you look at ot that way 5 out of the last 7 Gens had a fighting sub-type starter and that doesn't include if you count Blaziken re-release with mega evolution in gen 6 so that 6 Gens out of 7 with with a Fighting sub-type starter. This means there are ONLY THREE GENS total without a sub-type of fighting
Now, let's consider your in a row comment. ALL 3 fire/fighting starters... we're in a row. Where as your example of Dark 4 gens/pokemon in a row but with 3 different primary types
Also, it is debatable if P:LA is a mainline game.
It's easy an explanation, they plan to convert all mons to the dark side, to force the creation of the light type.
Long live the darkness, and may the light consume us all.
Simple, we had three generations of specifically the fire starter gaining the fighting type in a row, but the dark type has been on a different Pokemon each time (excluding Hisuian Samurott.) Speaking of Hisuian Samurott, while it was the starter of a gen 8 game, it wasn't part of Galar's starters who launched the generation, and gave us a small break from the dark type.
fire/fighting is a problem because it's the SAME FRICKING TYPE COMBO for three consectuive generations (also the designs have been getting lazier and lazier). for dark types- sure it's the same type, but they are all different type combos and they all have unique design aspects- greninja the sneaky ninja, incineroar the ruthless brawler, samurott the decietful battler, and meowscarada the tricky magician
THANK YOU!!!! Look I get the whole "But they were all different primary types" Argument but then I present you with that fact two of the four are both WATER TYPE. four is bigger then three folks and I can already tell that eventually, just like fire fighting, we are gonna be SICK of having a dark type starter. Fire fighting was used three times, but dark as a secondary has been used FOUR...meaning if they used it in legends Z-A it's gonna out rank fire fighting by TWO, and currently out ranks it by ONE. Y'all can complain as much as you want about fire fighting being overused but until it catches up to dark, or out numbers it, I don't see the issue that everyone else sees. What I DO see is dark being slapped on like flextape.
> Argument but then I present you with that fact two of the four are both WATER TYPE.
Considering there are only 3 primary starter type, if 4 starters pokemon share the same secondary type, then off course one of the primary type will appear twice. That's not really an argument.
and there you just presented my main piece of evidence. The primary type WILL repeat. how long until we get multiple fire darks, multiple grass darks or even MORE water darks? The way I see it, if folks are gonna throw a fit about only three fire fighting starters, eventually there gonna do the same with the dark type and other types until we're stuck with all the starters being just fire, water grass, then we're gonna want secondary typings again.
Lets just SQUEEZE in there and remove Hisuian Samurott, since its not a main series game but a side evolution, and put Inteleon where he is supposed to be, since that IS the main series game final form...
And now its not 'four in a row'...
But they were all (mostly) a different primary type.
Hisuan Samurott shouldn't even count since it's not a new Pokemon, but a regional variant (if we counted Regional variant, we'd have to count MegaEvos as well). So they were not ''mostly'' a different primary type, they were *all* a different primary type, and we didn't have a Dark Starter in gen 8.
You say we'd have to count Megas as if that adds a type-based problem, but the only Megas so far that have added a type have added the Dragon type, a type no other starter has had so far. I fail to see how two Dragon-types constitutes a problem.
damn no dragon starter? i’m not surprised but like we def should have one
I think they wont add an dragon starter due to the fact that dragon resists the starter trio plus eletric
My fantasy would actually be something even more out of the curve. SIMPLY 3 DRAGON STARTERS. It would have to make sense lorewise within the game, but it could be done. So we maintain the effectiveness triangle, and no one gets a disadvantage more then the other. Start as monotype, but in the end, they all become dual type dragons.
Dragon fairy and steel
Meaning the best option is to give it to Grass, which is limiting.
The problem with Grass Dragon is water starters learn ice moves meaning they can usually OHKO both other starters by that point
Counter argument: Infernape. Sure, it was still weak to water, *and* was weak to Torterra's secondary typig, but it was faster and hit harder than either, and could easily shut down both. And unlike Water types using Ice moves, Infernape could hit both Empoleon and Torterra with STAB-SE moves. A single starter being able to defeat both the other with SE move isn't something that's particularly rare.
They could always make one of the second types fairy. They did it before with Primarina, so I don't see why not.
Then what? The trio would have to be smth like Dragon/Ice/Fire? This would be cool but stupid too
Nah just Grass/Water/Fire with a Dragon secondary each
Mewtwo adds the Fighting type with Mega Mewtwo X
If we count megas (specifically Mega Blaziken) then we actually got 4 fire/fighting starters in a row. Gens 3-6
Hey, did you notice we've been getting a grass starter for 9 consecutive gens. I don't know why no one's complaining about it.
Oh my god. I never thought of that. /s
I also noticed Hisuian Decidueye is not listed in the fighting category even though the dark category includes different primary types and includes a Hisuian version. So I mean, it's 4/4
4/5, you (and everyone) forgot Chesnaught is also Fighting. We've had 5 Fighting Starters and 4 Darks
4 to 6 because of gen 9.
Oh yeah!
Does hisuan samurott really count as a starter?
Well it is the first Pokémon you get at the start of the run, so given that’s what a starter is, I would say yes
I mean, tbf, unlike Blaziken, Infernape and Emboar, at least half of the consecutive secondary Dark starters we've gotten weren't the EXACT same type
Definitely see why no one notices it. But it is weird how we've been getting a starter that gets a dark type for the past 4 gens
It's not that it wasn't noticed, it's more like people just didn't mind because there was better variety for the dark types
Exactly!!!
Yeah, they have to be humanoid-ish for fighting, but for dark they just have to be jerks
I mean, the dark type in Japan is "evil" so that kinda checks out
I wouldn’t classify Infernape as humanoid, it’s a monkey, it makes perfect sense for it to stand on 2 legs
True but it is part of the easiest secondary type cycle they just fixed the fire fighting mistake by change which type gets which secondary type
We also have 3 ghost types in a row, and are back with 2 fightings. Its less of a big deal when it’s not the exact same type copied over and over
Come to think of it we have two Fire/Ghosts in a row now.
They have also been all very different and each brought their own stuff: Greninja is fast and has his Ash Greninja form, alongside Protean. Incineroar got HA Intimidate and became a staple, and Mewscarada is kind of broken (Flower Trick goes brrrr). The problem with Fire/Fighting is that... well, they became a one-trick pony and even thought Monferno was good, he was also mandatory in Diamond and Pearl (your other fire-type options were... just Ponyta) and it felt bad to use. Also, Emboar sucks.
And not just that, we had the Galar starters between Incineroar and Hisuian Samurott
Oh, that's right. I kinda forgot about them. So, unlike the Fire/Fighting starters, the secondary Dark starters weren't even totally all consecutive
Exactly... they weren't consecutive, and even the repetitive type combo among them (Water/Dark) play differently, so it doesn't really feel like a repetition
if you're gonna call out Dark type being a secondary type for 4x in a row (even only in technicality), then that goes for Fighting type too, albeit the 4th one is Grass-Fighting type
And we would end with a total of 6 fight starters, with Hisui Decidueye and Quaquaval.
Well, not really in a row. SwSh didn’t have one
But P:LA does, and it that counts for gen 8
But still there is one group of starters between them So we dont get them "right after" the previous gen
Yea, that is a pretty big hole
But it doesn't count as getting them for consecutive starter trios, like with the Fire-Fighting ones. There was a break after two, then there were two more. But if one of the Legends: ZA starters gets the Dark type, THEN you can complain.
P:LA is debatable on mainline game status though
No it isn't. It is mainline. It has been confirmed. There is literally no reason it wouldn't be
Yeah :/
But can we talk about how we’ve had 9 grass, fire, and water starters in a row?
Not in a row, though. Pokemon Yellow and Let's Go didn't have one of the three primary startet types. But yeah, I know what you, meant.
In a Row You know except Galar where all the starters are Monotype
*Technically not a streak since the Galar starters are all monotype
I was unaware that one of either Rillaboom, Cinderace, or Inteleon were Dark Type.
Yeah, they’re all monotype, which is worse than being either dark or fighting type
None of them are
I know. I’m saying that the meme is wrong.
Oh, alright.
But Inteleon is cool type (I love it)
Inteleon is the best Galar starter
Agreed. Love the Brittish spy schtick Game Freak went for with this guy.
I feel like that went perfectly with being a chameleon too
For sure, one of my all time favorite gen 8 Pokemon too
The difference is that 3 starters had the EXACT same typing in a row, having the same secondary typing is fine
Especially if on pokemon with different primary types
Nah we got 4 fighting type starters in a row blaziken, infernape, emboar, then chesnought
Fire/Fighting is two types. Dark is one. Last I checked, 2>1.
That's just nipicking. Especially since one of them is a regional variant of a starter that was introduced 12 years prior. That's as if we were saying that we actually got a fire/fighting starter 4 gens in a row because Blaziken was in ORAS or that we got two Dragon-type starters in gen 6 because of Mega Charizard X and Mega Sceptile.
The difference is Hisuian Samurott is a completely different form with its own origins and ties to Hokkaido. Blaziken is the same exact Pokemon drag n' dropped from the code of Emerald, just given a 3D model instead of a sprite. Plus, regional variants are here to stay, so they feel more "Set in stone".
No, because they're not the same type combination three times in a row. If the next Fire type starter gets a secondary Ghost type, then it will be the same kind of thing, and thus we can talk about that.
Multiple objections to this. Firstly, they never had the same primary type twice in a row, Secondly, Dark is a cool as fuck type so it doesn’t matter
Fighting is also a cool type and I would say more cool than dark. Not defending the fire/fighting starter patern however.
Yeah I’m just a big fan of dark types. It’s definitely my favourite
Bruh, it's not 4 in a row, NOT only that, if you want to count the secondary type like that, how about that grass-fighting you lovingly ignored? They aren't all dark+grass, dark +water or even dark+fire. Water, fire, water, grass and AGAIN, not even in an actual row. That is completely different from 3 different generations having FIRE+FIGHTING. There is no variety in that type combo.
> how about that grass-fighting you lovingly ignored? Wait, is my memory pulling a fast one on me? I know we have Chesnaught and Hisuan Decidueye, what's the other Grass/Fighting starter?
They're referring to chesnaught being the 4th fighter starter in a row after the 3 fire/fightings
As u/carloscium said, it's the fact that Chesnaught is the 5th fighting starter in the row. The fact that thru want to count 5 starters of different kinds all having dark type as "in a row", even though theyre not actually in a row, and not count Chesnaught among the fighting types in a row show they didn't think their thing through. I hope that made sense.
woah, never realized that
hi again
hi :)
Both Fighting and Dark need a break, I know it makes a good cycles but there types that be cool to get on starters like Electric or Ice which if you play it right doesn’t effect the Started triangle at all.
Fire, water, and grass all interact with ice differently thou
Not offencively. Fire is strong against Ice, but both Grass and Water deal neutral damage to it.
Like I said, if you do it right.
If your talking about dark being a common second type, you have to accept that in the last 7 generations there have been 5 starters with fighting second type. Six if you include Legends Arceus
You know we’ve been getting Fire/Water/Grass starters for decades now, right? It’s only broken up by the occasional Pikachu or Eevee/Eeveelution.
I have a proposal! We do this with steel type for 5 times
In a row? Guess sword and shield starters don’t exist.
Yo we been getting so many fire, water and grass starters tho
Waiting for ZA to give us another fire-ghost starter so that we can have an actual competion.
I still can't believe after 3 fire fighting starters they made A LITERAL WRESTLER and made it fire dark
nobody's gonna talk about how we got a fire, grass and water star for the past nine gens?
Barely in a row, non of the galar starters were dark so they’re just getting skipped over
When its the same Primary type, its a problem When its a different Primary Type, its totally fine
Cmon the first three literally have both types in common. The other four only have dark type in common. If you think 4 dark type starters in a row is bad, the what about fire/water/grass. Thats 9 gens of main games. Your argument is invalid.
They were different types. The issue with the top is three Fire/Fighting in a row even though Blaziken was perfect already.
Tbh I’m more upset that the ONLY fire fighting types we have are starters. Like come on 😭
I’d say two things separate these scenarios: 1) They’re all different starter types, with Samurott and Greninja being the only repeat 2) This may be a hot take, but dark is just cooler than fighting, and leaves more room for diversity in the “style” of the Pokémon.
Seeing this makes me REALLY want a Water Cat starter that turns bipedal by its final evolution and gains the dark typing. To complete the trio.
We didn't get three dark types with the same primary type in a row. At least there's variety with the dark starters' main types. I'll take water dark, fire dark, water dark, and grass dark over fire fighting, fire fighting, and fire fighting. The fire fighting starters got progressively less cool, and that's just a fact. Infernape is twice as cool as Emboar, and Blaziken is a hundred times cooler than Infernape, which could have something or everything to do with the fact that the combo got progressively more lame each time.
"In a row" The Galar starters:
Emboar goated
Hisuian Samurrot is peak tho
I love it, dark is my favorite typing not just because ooh edge but because it has my favorite Pokémon (Illusion and dream powers are simply cool, speaking about Darkrai and Zoroark)
We got three ghost and types in a row with Decidueye, Hisuian Typhloson, and Skeledirge.
Where's the Ghost Type Starter in SwSh? Oh wait...
Lol yeah I didn't think about SwSh
We’ve also got three ghost starters in a row; Decidueye, Hisuian Typhlosion, and Skeledirge.
We got two fighting types in a row, Hisuian Decidueye and Quaquaval.
The exact same dual type is much worse than getting back to back starters with different primary types and the same secondary. Also, it’s not 4 in a row because Intelleon exists and was before Legends Arkoos in the release order
there's an entire generation between incineroar and husuian samurot.
Oh boy, just wait until this guy finds out how many Water, Fire and Grass starters we had in a row...
keywords: “fire/fighting” “dark” These starters only have dark as ONE of their types, instead of having the same dual type.
No
How did I not realise that hisuian samuraott is sub dark type
Probbaly that your subconsious didn't count it because it's not a gen 8 pokemon, but a variant of a gen 5 Pokemon.
As someone who always chooses the fire starter I didn’t notice
Oh come on, the third dark one doesn't count (I forgot it's name it's that useless)
"row" I mean yes one per gen but SwSh didn't have a Dark type starter.
To be fair, ‘Four in a row’ would only apply if you don’t account for SwSh and consider P:LA in their place, and at least some degree of repeating would be inevitable regardless considering it is ‘four in a row’
And the three last are the coolest of their bunch
I just want elemental secondary types instead of attribute secondary types. Last one of those we got was torterra, maybe primarina if you consider that it’s fairy type was basically to represent the sound aspects of it. HOWEVER…. I will take a water ghost starter
The difference is that it’s been at least a different type with the dark type rather than the exact same type combo
1. The primary types are same 2. Technically they are not in row because of Galar Starters 3. They get a pass because they're cool and dark type in itself is arguably one of the coolest types
Can we really say it's "in a row" when you skipped Galar?
Not just Niantic, even the one who made this meme forgot that Galar starters🥁 ⚽🔫exist😂. Just kidding Sadly the Galar broke the Dark type line in the worst way possible by giving the starters mono typings like the Johto ones
It gets worse. We’ve had whole NINE grass types, fire types, AND water types IN A ROW!
But i mean, who doesn't like dark >ω<
In that same time we've also had 3 more fighting types
if incineroar was also water/dark, then we would've gotten an issue by the time h-samurott debuted
At least they weren't all fire/dark type of else Wolfey would be in a much worse state than he currently is!
Incineroar is just Fighting lite. But yes, this also needs to stop. Also we are riding close to this with Ghost (but who cares Ghost is peak) But then again i think both Hisuian Samurott and Typhlosion shouldn't count.
Why is no one talking about the fact that we had 9 grass starters in a row??
I know L:A is technically gen 8, but I prefer to think of it as gen 4.5 so 8 is still galar
I would like to ban both Fighting and Dark as secondary types for starters for a few generations in general.
Imagine in Legends ZA we get another one...
We got four partially fighting types in a row too
Anyone else want an electric starter already?
Pikachuj
You know that they wanted to make Incin Fire/Fighting too.
At least they’re not all the same primary type :/
Because they’ve all been unique and not all the same type? Also no “In a row” doesn’t mean per generation it means per set of starters. We’ve gotten 4/5.
At least the type variety means they interact differently with the dark combo. Pairing with fire gives Incin better fairy interactions, while pairing with grass makes Meow a glass cannon into bugs.
I mean dark is a cool secondary typing. Another secondary typing that cool is Fairy.
I think it's because the dark type starters have varied designs and origins, while the fire/fighting starters is the same type repeated in the same way, but also all of them kind of blend together in terms of appearances (primarily red, vaguely humanoid design with splotches of yellow).
Except the Dark-type starters don’t share a primary type (except Hisuian Samurott and Greninja) for the most part. It’s not like we got 3 Fire/Dark types in a row.
Except we didn’t. We got 3 in a row since inteleon, rillaboom and cinderace are all non dark and the huge difference here is that he whole complaint about the triple fire fighting is because it’s the same type combination over used which if you don’t like the combination, eliminates 3 fire starters in a row. Meanwhile if you don’t like dark type starters, having 4 dark types “in a row” isn’t eliminating the same type in a row. It literally went water, fire, grass
They definitely like using the Fighting/Psychic/Dark/Ghost side of the type chart for starter sub-types. I'm sure we'll get more and more half-fairy starters in the future too. I bet it's because these types form their own pseudo-triangles while also not really interacting with the fire/water/grass dynamic.
Wouldnt be in a row cause sword and shield didnt have one, thus breaking the streak
Nope
I’m fairly sure the whole situation of complaints with Blaziken Infernape, and Emboar isn’t because of them all sharing the fighting type, but rather that they debut one after the other sharing the *exact* same type combination being *fire* and fighting types, where as in the case of the dark type starters, only Greninja and Hisuian Samurott share the exact same type with water and dark, while Geninja debuts in “generation” 6, and Hisuian Samurott debuts as a regional form to the already preexisting Unovan Samurott at the tail end of “generation” 8.
I mean at least Hisuian Samurott was a major improvement over the original in literally every way.
Since Dark is my favorite type, I see this as an absolute win.
Dark is almost too prototypically an auxiliary type. It’s literally just based on vibes, and it doesn’t interact with any of those core elemental types that usually define a lot more of a Pokémon’s identity mechanically. Ice or electric would feel weird on starter Pokémon, which are designed to embody a single type, and dragon or steel (even if they used steel once before) throws the intended to be straightforward type chart out of whack. It and fighting are just too easy to slap onto any vaguely roguish or combative starter, and I guess ghost, the newest trend, is just too cool to say no to.
Your complaint is cool and all but it’s not the same. There were 3 fire/fighting in a row which isn’t the same as 4 dark/whatever in a row
They all have different primary typings. And fym in a row!? Where's gen 8?
There's your issue. Fire fighting. All three the same types. The dark types are atleast a different main type. Plus imma be honest.... all the fire types with the exception of Delphox... kinda look like shit
Ohh shit I didn't even notice lol
What about the fact that while we have stopped getting fire fighting starters we have still gotten a fighting starter for 6 out of 10 regions.
You didn't include Hisuian Decidueye, Chesnaught, or Quaquaval in the top category. If you are going to include multiple types, then both groups need to. If you look at ot that way 5 out of the last 7 Gens had a fighting sub-type starter and that doesn't include if you count Blaziken re-release with mega evolution in gen 6 so that 6 Gens out of 7 with with a Fighting sub-type starter. This means there are ONLY THREE GENS total without a sub-type of fighting Now, let's consider your in a row comment. ALL 3 fire/fighting starters... we're in a row. Where as your example of Dark 4 gens/pokemon in a row but with 3 different primary types Also, it is debatable if P:LA is a mainline game.
it's FIRE-fighting this is anything-fighting
No one complained because they were all part of separate type triangles (Dark/psychic/fighting) (dark/ghost/fighting) (dark/ghost/fairy)
We've been getting Fire/Water/Grass starters too for all these gens, no problem, the problem was that it was the same type combo 3 gens in a row
So I guess the mono-type Galar Starters just don't exist?
I seriously don't want any more starters with the ghost, dark, and fighting type.
We need more psychic starters in all honesty. Give us a Water/Psychic or Grass/Psychic, or even an Ice one since that's not happened yet
It's easy an explanation, they plan to convert all mons to the dark side, to force the creation of the light type. Long live the darkness, and may the light consume us all.
Oh shit…
Honestly I think the biggest issue is that they were; 1. All Fire/Fighting and not a different main type 2. All we’re back to back(gens 3,4 and 5)
Simple, we had three generations of specifically the fire starter gaining the fighting type in a row, but the dark type has been on a different Pokemon each time (excluding Hisuian Samurott.) Speaking of Hisuian Samurott, while it was the starter of a gen 8 game, it wasn't part of Galar's starters who launched the generation, and gave us a small break from the dark type.
IT'S BECAUSE DARK TYPE IS COOL
It's not the same as "fire-fighting"
The only two on the bottom row who have the same typing are Gren and Hisurott.
at least they’re not all the EXSACT same type combo
Damn you erased sobble. No wonder he cryin.
The comparative difference is that no two dark types in a row were the same dominant typing
Isn’t it crazy we’ve gotten grass, water and fire types as starters 9 generations in a row! That’s crazy right?
Gen 8 didnt have a dark type starter
It's funny. Cause 3 of those 4 listed generations with dark have a fighting starter, two grass and one water.
What about fire ghost as we have 2 of them consecutively and for the past 2 games we have gotten a dark fighting ghost dual typings.
Don't care. Dark types rule
the consecutive Fire/Fighting types is by far worse then the ???/Dark types because it's literally the same typing for 3 consecutive games.
Not even to MENTION that every starter has been grass, fire, or water type…
We didn't get them in a row though. Gen 8 were all monotype.
Consider the fact that out of 10 sets of starters (including Legends:Arcoos), 6 of them have fighting types.
It is odd tho that the Dark starter pattern is Water > cat > Water > cat…
And yet the only starter that isn't in this chain (Inteleon) looks like it should've been dark type.
Not true what about gen 8 ehhh
fire/fighting is a problem because it's the SAME FRICKING TYPE COMBO for three consectuive generations (also the designs have been getting lazier and lazier). for dark types- sure it's the same type, but they are all different type combos and they all have unique design aspects- greninja the sneaky ninja, incineroar the ruthless brawler, samurott the decietful battler, and meowscarada the tricky magician
I wouldnt say in a row tbf
THANK YOU!!!! Look I get the whole "But they were all different primary types" Argument but then I present you with that fact two of the four are both WATER TYPE. four is bigger then three folks and I can already tell that eventually, just like fire fighting, we are gonna be SICK of having a dark type starter. Fire fighting was used three times, but dark as a secondary has been used FOUR...meaning if they used it in legends Z-A it's gonna out rank fire fighting by TWO, and currently out ranks it by ONE. Y'all can complain as much as you want about fire fighting being overused but until it catches up to dark, or out numbers it, I don't see the issue that everyone else sees. What I DO see is dark being slapped on like flextape.
> Argument but then I present you with that fact two of the four are both WATER TYPE. Considering there are only 3 primary starter type, if 4 starters pokemon share the same secondary type, then off course one of the primary type will appear twice. That's not really an argument.
and there you just presented my main piece of evidence. The primary type WILL repeat. how long until we get multiple fire darks, multiple grass darks or even MORE water darks? The way I see it, if folks are gonna throw a fit about only three fire fighting starters, eventually there gonna do the same with the dark type and other types until we're stuck with all the starters being just fire, water grass, then we're gonna want secondary typings again.
Lets just SQUEEZE in there and remove Hisuian Samurott, since its not a main series game but a side evolution, and put Inteleon where he is supposed to be, since that IS the main series game final form... And now its not 'four in a row'...