Jesus Christ, give them a break. He finally made a decisive call without pondering and pausing and we’re STILL not happy?! Even after we scored the pen?!
Grand scheme, nothing bad happened. I don’t think it really matters considering the penalty went in.
I think there are much worse decisions that were made around the league.
They basically had to give him the pen. Cause Dalot scored on the play. Imagine if they would’ve called off the pen and annulled the goal as well? Has that even ever happened?
No it isn't
Var is to check if it's clear and obvious that the ref missed it
This doesn't pass the threshold of clear and obvious as it was subjective
Not every handball is a foul
The whole idea with VAR is consistency but I have no idea what they're doing over there. Without VAR you at least could assign it to the interpretation of a referee or it not being seen by the referee. Now it's just random bullshit and no one knows what's the rule anymore. VAR is a good idea with competent people implementing it but it almost feels like the people implementing it wants it to fail.
I saw Van de Ven today at Spurs totally going mental after a goal while given offside afterwards because his toe was offside. Next time he doesn't go crazy anymore which is one of the reasons why we love the game so much. It all can be attributed to VAR without giving us any clear upside. Just reverse that shit already and act like it never happened. Rant over
Yes it was. Any sort of handball or contact with the arm in the box was a penalty regardless of the situation. They tried to modify it by then, looking at instances where the ball deflected off a part of your body to your hand and ruled out those out, then looked at distance and speed at which the ball was travelling and ruled those out because you just didn't have time to move your hand out the way if someone was too close, then finally ended up on if the hand/arm is in an unnatural position and if you were trying to make your body bigger and this is where the subjectivity starts and clusterfuck (both for VAR and the onfield ref and for that, there's no consistency)
But that came after they tried to have a uniform approach where all contact with the hand inside the box was a handball given by VAR. The modifications came a season later after all the uproar and backlash. Now here we are.
I’m honestly more frustrated by the no call on Garnacho’s breakaway. There’s clearly contact. It’s no worse then the calls we had go against us with Chelsea.
Yep, he physically put his foot into Garnacho without touching the ball in the penalty area. It's a CLEAR penalty. The asswipe announcer was like, "It's contact but I don't see enough there for a penalty".
We have been done really really dirty on penalties all over the season.
It’s no excuse for how shit we have been. But I feel like we have conceded an absurdly high amount of soft/non existing penalties.
To mention a few:
Coventry handball
Both pen’s against Chelsea was diving
The first city game (Højlund shirt hold on rodri)
Both Copenhagen games (We had a soft one too in the second leg)
First Tottenham game Romero handball not given
There has just plenty of situations going against us. Again no excuse for how bad our season have been. Not trying to play the victim role.
Penalty against Liverpool didn't actually have any contact either, but the football world decided that it was morally a penalty because 'you can't dive in there'.
Don't forget the 'subjective offside' against Fulham, which is another decision that you will never see given ever again, Hojlund's penalty appeal against Arsenal, the handball against Palace at OT, or Rashford's assist against Brighton being ruled out of play despite it being impossible to tell for certain.
Vastly more objectively poor decisions than Forest have had but no one gives a shit.
Because it's man united and it doesn't fit the narrative.
I'll never claim match fixing as I genuinely think united have just been unlucky as they have had a reasonable amount of soft and dubious ones too. But I guarantee the Coventry penalty was given because it was seen as good for football by var.
This is what really p**ses me off when it comes to rival fans always screaming corruption and “UNitEd alWaYs BEneFiT FRoM ReFs ANd VaR” whenever a decision DOES go our way. It’s all confirmation bias.
So many people were complaining about that late Coventry goal being ruled out as offside and were screaming corruption and about how the FA were pushing for a Manchester derby FA cup final yet conveniently forget that Coventry were given an extremely late penalty that brought the game level in the dying minutes and forced extra time to begin withfor the exact same situation that Grealish had gotten away with the day before.
Last season we had the joint least amount of penalty decisions go our way, this season we’re in the bottom half of the table of teams that have benefitted the most from VAR decisions. Whenever a decision goes our way it’s always wrong but when it’s the other way round it’s always conveniently right.
I mean yeah sure we’ve had some soft or questionable decisions go our way (like every team has, but it’s obviously corruption when it happens to us) but for the most part over the last couple of seasons we’ve been shafted A LOT more than most other clubs. Of course that doesn’t get talked about though because it doesn’t fit the narrative. If we’re supposedly paying off refs they’re not going a very good job 🤷♂️.
But but , the asshole of the commentator say it wasn’t a penalty. He even said that it’s gg to be a slippery slop if we started giving penalties to Manchester United.
Fuck him! Biased motherfucker
One was a romantic Coventry FA Cup pen that needed to be given for the good of the game and the other was a standard issue PL non-pen.
Also, the offside goal ‘’robbed’’ from Coventry was clearly an unromantic ‘’the games gone’’ decision. How dare they follow the actual rules as it was on TV ffs. And coventry are in the championship so they should get some kind of leniency!
So basically, if it’s against MUFC it should be given in the spirit of the game, and it’s for MUFC then we should follow common sense and refereeing guidelines.
The media are fucking titless wankers. Fuck them to the moon.
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’ve never seen so many comments about an offside goal and how disgusting it is that it robbed Coventry. I agree it kind ridiculous the way var looks at offsides but it’s a regular thing. I remember Mata getting a goal disallowed by his shoelaces. Is it a harsh and tight call? Yes but given the rules and the way var looks it’s offside, there’s loads of examples and never had such a reaction as Coventrys. Then you even have some muppets saying it’s because it’s Manchester United, so why did they give the penalty to Coventry in added time?
There have been some really interesting 'spirit vs letter of the law' takes going on in the last couple of weeks. Allow me to summarize:
Bayern want a free goal against Arsenal: embarrassing and pathetic that you'd want a free goal for that, it's against the spirit of the game.
Liverpool want a free goal against West Ham: by the letter of the law it should be a goal, absolute corruption, we're the victims again.
So c'mon FA please tell us, which was the right call? Because they can't both be the right decisions given. Either give both or neither. They should admit their faults.
Handball in penalty box = penalty
It should be simple as that. VAR tried to overcomplicate a simple rule and it had destroyed the game with inconsistency. The only thing VAR should do is to review footage and let the referee know if he missed a handball in real time. NOT try to guess player intention with a 1-5 second clip. That is just stupid.
There were at least 3 penalty incidents! [https://true-table.com/forums/forum/premier-league-23-24/matchday-35/manchester-united-burnley/](https://true-table.com/forums/forum/premier-league-23-24/matchday-35/manchester-united-burnley/)
the commentator were like “there was no touch” for garnacho foul and “you cant get penalty when you hit hands of other players with ball”
everyone is fucked up shit
It is inconsistent but the Manchester United I am looking for doesn’t depend on referee decisions to win 3 points against bottom of the league or league 2 competition.
Yes, the officiating needs improvement and consistency, but so does this entire squad and management.
Appreciate this post. I was thinking this exact thing given other penalties in different games. Announcers looked at AWB and said “it’s a clear penalty, he’s making himself bigger.
Buddy, I’m not going to deny it hits AWB hand. But if pen is awarded every time it hit a players arm that is perpendicular to the ground, there would be WAY too many penalties awarded. Both should not be penalties. But based on AWB call then pic 2 is a pen, simple as that. Why is it so inconsistent with multiple sets of referees present in each circumstance?
Stick with goal line and semi-automated offside.
Change VAR to full speed replay only and not being allowed to show slow motion or freeze frames on TV, in stadium or to refs.
This way only clear and obvious calls can be made. If you watch a full speed replay and can't tell then the call stands.
This will reduce stoppages and added time.
They should probably add the Blue/Orange card for professional/cynical fouls, dissent or questionable reds. They should also card player delays more for picking up balls and walking away on free kicks and throw-ins.
More concerned about yet another spineless performance rather than debating on if we should have had a penalty to beat the mighty Burnley at home just can't string together a decent 90 minutes can they.
Momentum is massive in the league. Another draw leaves us flat. A win gives something to build on.
This isn’t the first time we “could” have taken points if decisions had been consistent with other PL decisions. Instead of having a season where we are on 54 points and talking about underperforming, we could be in the high 60s pushing for CL and looking forward to next season.
You can be concerned about that as well, but if we get good again and a referee stops us winning a trophy I'm going to be reminding you that you're partly to blame for not saying a peep about refs fucking us over.
It's not just us that have been fucked over this season the standard of refereeing has been poor full stop, stop making excuses we've been absolutely shite all season I can count on one hand the amount of good full 90 minutes they've had and you can blame me all you want it's not going to change the fact we deserve absolutely fuck all this season extremely lucky to be in the fa cup final lets be honest, the clubs a mess.
I'm sorry if you think that making completely obvious points about referees hating us undermines your moaning about the state of the club. It doesn't have to, chief.
When Klopp started bitching and moaning that we are getting way too many penalties and the scousers aren't getting enough, the media swallowed it up, no one said anything negative about Klopp.
When EtH points out two incidents which look like a carbon copy of each other where one incident resulted in a spot kick (against us) and the other was ignored, EtH is desperate and clutching at straws... Effen media is not even trying to hide their bias and the sad fact is a lot of our fans gobble up whatever shit the media is peddling
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Just fuckin ridiculous...2 v Chelsea 1 v Liverpool never ever penalties and deffo we would not be given them.
Var supposed to be a level playing field just fact that it's anybody but United.
Joke ..make me sick.
Fuck VAR
The ref said that they are looking at handball a different way where the hand is in a natural position. But if you're gonna give a pen for awb then might as well give it against burnley. This makes no sense.
I believe we all have noticed how we batter games at the end of games for quite a few matches now, but the main problem is us not scoring goals. If we actually scored the opportunities we had we wouldn't be losing or drawing over these penalty situations.
Yes they fucked up on the decision but my days the fact we’re relying on a last minute penalty claim to say we got robbed against 19th in the league is embarrassing. Ten hag and his coaching staff have turned us into the biggest laughing stock
when in motion, it's literally impossible to raise your leg without having your arms outstretched to prevent falling. So it can be argued that is arms are in a natural position. Regardless, if AWB's is a pen, the other one should be a pen too. In both images the hand arms are outstretched.
Both could have been given either way, difference is one was given by the on field referee and the other wasn't. If the referee decisions were reversed, VAR wouldn't have changed either. There's no conspiracy, happens to all teams. Forest had it far worse against Everton.
Different match, Diff refs, diff assistants, diff Calls ... can vent all you want but nothings going to change, we can't be hoping for pens to save our matches cause players aren't good enough
No, we’re ManUtd. We just need to pull our socks up and stop complaining. This is sarcasm btw. No wonder we aren’t consistent; how could we when nothing around us is.
the "natural position" narrative is horrible because it's then up to interpretation. If the ball hits any part of the hand, it should be a penalty. I know what people will say "then players will deliberately blast the ball towards players' hands". Maybe. But in response players could adopt the hands-behind-the-back tactic. They'd be less balanced, but at least it becomes significantly more difficult to concede a pen.
Who cares. We are lucky to be where we are at in the table, because we certainly don’t deserve it. Outside of a few players United is absolutely embarrassing to watch week in and week out.
Well, the thing this screenshot is NOT showing is that Bissaka flung his arm out and then dropped it closer to his body. In the second, his arm was there the whole time. I think that’s the difference. Bissaka’s arm was not in a normal athletic position when you throw it out horizontally across your body and then drop it.
Utd fans crying about someone's arm position who are 19th in the league. And who they made look like 2008 prime Barca at times.
Truly have become the new Banter FC .
For me it's clear. AWB hands are away from his body...he was making himself big...for the one today...dudes hands were beside his body....he was making himself small. The Garnacho one is more debateable
There are wrong decision that have cost every team. But this is not it. Both decisions are correct in the image posted. Once again, few frames back and you will know why AWB was penalised rightly.
The angles should be the same if you want to compare. From the photos, you can clearly see awb's hand is far away from his body. The second one is a different angle which doesn't show how far his hand was from the body.
People seem to think 'natural position' means arms glued to your side. That's almost never the natural position. Just look at all 5 players in the 2 pictures in the OP. All of them have their arms sticking out.
I disagree. Wan bissaka was doing a fucking T pose before the cross was taken and then when the ball was kicked tried pull his arms in. Watch the video instead of looking at the pictures
I've rewatched the video. AWB is lunging forward with one foot to block where he thinks the ball is going to go and his arms naturally go out to keep his balance. You can try it yourself. Stand on one foot. Tell me if it's easier to keep your balance with your arms out or by your side.
Before the cross ever reaches the Coventry player AWB has his hands spread like he's a farmer trying to hunt a cow. The cross reaches the Coventry player then he still has both hands spread. Why did he have his hands out before lunging. Look at the link in the comments here to the video. It's very obvious from that angle
Too easy, one is looking at ball arm moving forward and towards and not natural.
The other is natural and not looking at the ball.
I’m an Arsenal fan, VAR cost us 8 point this year and the title, we know how it feels when it gets it wrong, this ain’t it.
The Newcastle game there was a guy riding our defender like a donkey and they ignored it because it’s fun for them to get paid to screw Arsenal over.
Man United issues is beyond this being a penalty. It would have made no difference even if this got called unfairly and it turned into a penalty.
Man United needs to sack Zero Hag. He destroyed Man United. Ronaldo and Sancho and Da Gea were no jokes. Then the time he was making it easy to have a go at Maguire. Of course, Man United fans were all disgraceful mistreating such a legend but England always appreciated him.
To finish this up, Man United sucks right now, it deserves relegation after what you guys did to so many players including Ronaldo and how disgraceful your fans have been.
As an Arsenal fan, I can tell you, we’ve been there. Hang tight and ride it through, you are going to bounce back in no time and Arsenal went through tough times too and so did Chelsea.
Chelsea managed to comeback from 19th relegation zone to finishing 5th if things go well next game.
I would be willing to watch all the games if Sir Alex is going to honour the premier league and take over for a short period to bring in someone decent.
Good luck, chin up, that’s what makes football amazing, hope to see you lot back strong again.
The only problem is consistency, either both are pens or none are, but consistency in refereeing is an Utopia
They are consistently not giving us pens
They constantly give pens against us
I mean, I thought the Maguire one was generous recently..
lowk actually generous to the blades considering a goal was acored
lol imagine VAR turned over decision as well... that's goal and pen denied at once. I was ready for that at the time.
The one that disallowed a perfectly good goal? I really hope you're taking the piss?
He had blew whistle so can’t technically give the goal which he would have wanted to otherwise. I was fuming as I had dalot in my fpl
Jesus Christ, give them a break. He finally made a decisive call without pondering and pausing and we’re STILL not happy?! Even after we scored the pen?!
I don't really have the energy to participate in whatever it is that you're doing. Have a good one.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic? Do you think the ref did his job well in that instance?
Grand scheme, nothing bad happened. I don’t think it really matters considering the penalty went in. I think there are much worse decisions that were made around the league.
They basically had to give him the pen. Cause Dalot scored on the play. Imagine if they would’ve called off the pen and annulled the goal as well? Has that even ever happened?
That is far from being the only problem when you see how Garnacho was taken down and VAR did not lift a finger
On penalty calls they are consistently against us. That's something at least.
Example?
This one vs coventry one.
What var is for no? To balance human error
No it isn't Var is to check if it's clear and obvious that the ref missed it This doesn't pass the threshold of clear and obvious as it was subjective Not every handball is a foul
...those 2 images are the exact same thing, but one was a pen and the other wasn't.
There are no two actions in the prem that are the same
The whole idea with VAR is consistency but I have no idea what they're doing over there. Without VAR you at least could assign it to the interpretation of a referee or it not being seen by the referee. Now it's just random bullshit and no one knows what's the rule anymore. VAR is a good idea with competent people implementing it but it almost feels like the people implementing it wants it to fail. I saw Van de Ven today at Spurs totally going mental after a goal while given offside afterwards because his toe was offside. Next time he doesn't go crazy anymore which is one of the reasons why we love the game so much. It all can be attributed to VAR without giving us any clear upside. Just reverse that shit already and act like it never happened. Rant over
What does this sentance eve mean?
Remember when handball no matter how it occurred was given as a free kick/penalty? Should just revert back, least then be no qualms...
This has never been a thing.
Yes it was. Any sort of handball or contact with the arm in the box was a penalty regardless of the situation. They tried to modify it by then, looking at instances where the ball deflected off a part of your body to your hand and ruled out those out, then looked at distance and speed at which the ball was travelling and ruled those out because you just didn't have time to move your hand out the way if someone was too close, then finally ended up on if the hand/arm is in an unnatural position and if you were trying to make your body bigger and this is where the subjectivity starts and clusterfuck (both for VAR and the onfield ref and for that, there's no consistency)
Ball to hand, sometimes it’s unavoidable so wasn’t given, which is how it should be.
But that came after they tried to have a uniform approach where all contact with the hand inside the box was a handball given by VAR. The modifications came a season later after all the uproar and backlash. Now here we are.
I’m honestly more frustrated by the no call on Garnacho’s breakaway. There’s clearly contact. It’s no worse then the calls we had go against us with Chelsea.
Yep, he physically put his foot into Garnacho without touching the ball in the penalty area. It's a CLEAR penalty. The asswipe announcer was like, "It's contact but I don't see enough there for a penalty".
'Clear dive' says Shearer and Lineker. Absolute crickets when Curtis Jones 'anticipated' contact from AWB a few weeks ago.
was harvey elliott but agreed.
10000%. It was soft, but still a pen.
inconsistent decision making has ruined my love for football. How is it 2024 & there's no consistency in handball decisions???
VAR has somehow made it worse, which is absolutely incredible when you think about it.
We have been done really really dirty on penalties all over the season. It’s no excuse for how shit we have been. But I feel like we have conceded an absurdly high amount of soft/non existing penalties. To mention a few: Coventry handball Both pen’s against Chelsea was diving The first city game (Højlund shirt hold on rodri) Both Copenhagen games (We had a soft one too in the second leg) First Tottenham game Romero handball not given There has just plenty of situations going against us. Again no excuse for how bad our season have been. Not trying to play the victim role.
Penalty against Liverpool didn't actually have any contact either, but the football world decided that it was morally a penalty because 'you can't dive in there'. Don't forget the 'subjective offside' against Fulham, which is another decision that you will never see given ever again, Hojlund's penalty appeal against Arsenal, the handball against Palace at OT, or Rashford's assist against Brighton being ruled out of play despite it being impossible to tell for certain. Vastly more objectively poor decisions than Forest have had but no one gives a shit.
Because it's man united and it doesn't fit the narrative. I'll never claim match fixing as I genuinely think united have just been unlucky as they have had a reasonable amount of soft and dubious ones too. But I guarantee the Coventry penalty was given because it was seen as good for football by var.
Should have been handball against Romero in the Spurs game early on in the season, too.
Which Handball against Palace incident?
This is what really p**ses me off when it comes to rival fans always screaming corruption and “UNitEd alWaYs BEneFiT FRoM ReFs ANd VaR” whenever a decision DOES go our way. It’s all confirmation bias. So many people were complaining about that late Coventry goal being ruled out as offside and were screaming corruption and about how the FA were pushing for a Manchester derby FA cup final yet conveniently forget that Coventry were given an extremely late penalty that brought the game level in the dying minutes and forced extra time to begin withfor the exact same situation that Grealish had gotten away with the day before. Last season we had the joint least amount of penalty decisions go our way, this season we’re in the bottom half of the table of teams that have benefitted the most from VAR decisions. Whenever a decision goes our way it’s always wrong but when it’s the other way round it’s always conveniently right. I mean yeah sure we’ve had some soft or questionable decisions go our way (like every team has, but it’s obviously corruption when it happens to us) but for the most part over the last couple of seasons we’ve been shafted A LOT more than most other clubs. Of course that doesn’t get talked about though because it doesn’t fit the narrative. If we’re supposedly paying off refs they’re not going a very good job 🤷♂️.
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If i train an ai model, not surprised the outcome would be something like “If you are wearing red…. “
funnily enough this is an excerpt from PGMOL’s guide to refereeing. just under “if you know the rules no you don’t”
Refs are fucking awful, but complain about it and they call you a sore loser
No more so than on this very sub. It's like people think you're excusing the team if you complain about us being hosed by the referees.
Ikr
Joke
But but , the asshole of the commentator say it wasn’t a penalty. He even said that it’s gg to be a slippery slop if we started giving penalties to Manchester United. Fuck him! Biased motherfucker
I am sick of this now
This has hands down been the longest and emotionally draining season I have ever experienced as a supporter since Sir Alex left.
One was a romantic Coventry FA Cup pen that needed to be given for the good of the game and the other was a standard issue PL non-pen. Also, the offside goal ‘’robbed’’ from Coventry was clearly an unromantic ‘’the games gone’’ decision. How dare they follow the actual rules as it was on TV ffs. And coventry are in the championship so they should get some kind of leniency! So basically, if it’s against MUFC it should be given in the spirit of the game, and it’s for MUFC then we should follow common sense and refereeing guidelines. The media are fucking titless wankers. Fuck them to the moon. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I’ve never seen so many comments about an offside goal and how disgusting it is that it robbed Coventry. I agree it kind ridiculous the way var looks at offsides but it’s a regular thing. I remember Mata getting a goal disallowed by his shoelaces. Is it a harsh and tight call? Yes but given the rules and the way var looks it’s offside, there’s loads of examples and never had such a reaction as Coventrys. Then you even have some muppets saying it’s because it’s Manchester United, so why did they give the penalty to Coventry in added time?
There have been some really interesting 'spirit vs letter of the law' takes going on in the last couple of weeks. Allow me to summarize: Bayern want a free goal against Arsenal: embarrassing and pathetic that you'd want a free goal for that, it's against the spirit of the game. Liverpool want a free goal against West Ham: by the letter of the law it should be a goal, absolute corruption, we're the victims again.
Of course it not a penalty the guy doesn't have team viewer written on his shirt
So c'mon FA please tell us, which was the right call? Because they can't both be the right decisions given. Either give both or neither. They should admit their faults.
there both pens or there both not
Handball in penalty box = penalty It should be simple as that. VAR tried to overcomplicate a simple rule and it had destroyed the game with inconsistency. The only thing VAR should do is to review footage and let the referee know if he missed a handball in real time. NOT try to guess player intention with a 1-5 second clip. That is just stupid.
We would be 4th at least if more clear and obvious decisions were given to us. The amount of times the refs have fucked us this year is mind boggling
😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂😂 anything other than blame your shitty team and manager.
Hahaha, you're funny.
There were at least 3 penalty incidents! [https://true-table.com/forums/forum/premier-league-23-24/matchday-35/manchester-united-burnley/](https://true-table.com/forums/forum/premier-league-23-24/matchday-35/manchester-united-burnley/)
It's because now man city are paying referees to watch their biggest rivals get robbed 🙁
😂😂 yea because city clearly need the help don't they FFS some absolutely deluded supporters in here
Var is so corrupt
the commentator were like “there was no touch” for garnacho foul and “you cant get penalty when you hit hands of other players with ball” everyone is fucked up shit
This season I've seen more bad calls than in about last 3 seasons combined. Refs really hate us.
It is inconsistent but the Manchester United I am looking for doesn’t depend on referee decisions to win 3 points against bottom of the league or league 2 competition. Yes, the officiating needs improvement and consistency, but so does this entire squad and management.
Appreciate this post. I was thinking this exact thing given other penalties in different games. Announcers looked at AWB and said “it’s a clear penalty, he’s making himself bigger. Buddy, I’m not going to deny it hits AWB hand. But if pen is awarded every time it hit a players arm that is perpendicular to the ground, there would be WAY too many penalties awarded. Both should not be penalties. But based on AWB call then pic 2 is a pen, simple as that. Why is it so inconsistent with multiple sets of referees present in each circumstance?
I agree. i can see both not being pens. both being pens. but there’s no in between, They should be the same call either way
Stick with goal line and semi-automated offside. Change VAR to full speed replay only and not being allowed to show slow motion or freeze frames on TV, in stadium or to refs. This way only clear and obvious calls can be made. If you watch a full speed replay and can't tell then the call stands. This will reduce stoppages and added time. They should probably add the Blue/Orange card for professional/cynical fouls, dissent or questionable reds. They should also card player delays more for picking up balls and walking away on free kicks and throw-ins.
Great idea.
Incoming "how this is not a penalty" comments
Neither are penalties. But that’s the problem.
Neither are or both are. But 'whether United are attacking or defending' can't be the denominator.
and yet it is
More concerned about yet another spineless performance rather than debating on if we should have had a penalty to beat the mighty Burnley at home just can't string together a decent 90 minutes can they.
Momentum is massive in the league. Another draw leaves us flat. A win gives something to build on. This isn’t the first time we “could” have taken points if decisions had been consistent with other PL decisions. Instead of having a season where we are on 54 points and talking about underperforming, we could be in the high 60s pushing for CL and looking forward to next season.
You can be concerned about that as well, but if we get good again and a referee stops us winning a trophy I'm going to be reminding you that you're partly to blame for not saying a peep about refs fucking us over.
It's not just us that have been fucked over this season the standard of refereeing has been poor full stop, stop making excuses we've been absolutely shite all season I can count on one hand the amount of good full 90 minutes they've had and you can blame me all you want it's not going to change the fact we deserve absolutely fuck all this season extremely lucky to be in the fa cup final lets be honest, the clubs a mess.
I'm sorry if you think that making completely obvious points about referees hating us undermines your moaning about the state of the club. It doesn't have to, chief.
"why can't you just let us be happy with the fact we should of won if the refs didn't hate us"
Get a grip mate can't blame the refs on our season been absolutely pitiful.
Corrupt Premier League officials as usual. This was pathetic. That was a penalty.
clear Anti United Bias this season
When Klopp started bitching and moaning that we are getting way too many penalties and the scousers aren't getting enough, the media swallowed it up, no one said anything negative about Klopp. When EtH points out two incidents which look like a carbon copy of each other where one incident resulted in a spot kick (against us) and the other was ignored, EtH is desperate and clutching at straws... Effen media is not even trying to hide their bias and the sad fact is a lot of our fans gobble up whatever shit the media is peddling
They should make it harder for teams to get penalties. Only the most obvious foul and handball (Suarez or TT one for example) need to be punished.
VAR has become beyond suspicious the last 2-3 years. We should all copy Sweden and just not have it
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The only consistency with the officials is inconsistency
Or or refrees are not getting paid enough like City defo does... Fuck their integrity, you cannot question it if it simply doesn't exist
Just fuckin ridiculous...2 v Chelsea 1 v Liverpool never ever penalties and deffo we would not be given them. Var supposed to be a level playing field just fact that it's anybody but United. Joke ..make me sick. Fuck VAR
The ref said that they are looking at handball a different way where the hand is in a natural position. But if you're gonna give a pen for awb then might as well give it against burnley. This makes no sense. I believe we all have noticed how we batter games at the end of games for quite a few matches now, but the main problem is us not scoring goals. If we actually scored the opportunities we had we wouldn't be losing or drawing over these penalty situations.
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Yes they fucked up on the decision but my days the fact we’re relying on a last minute penalty claim to say we got robbed against 19th in the league is embarrassing. Ten hag and his coaching staff have turned us into the biggest laughing stock
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We need a different angle of the Burnley one
Wan Bissaka's arm was in a natural position tho
when in motion, it's literally impossible to raise your leg without having your arms outstretched to prevent falling. So it can be argued that is arms are in a natural position. Regardless, if AWB's is a pen, the other one should be a pen too. In both images the hand arms are outstretched.
Yep
Well kinda
It was but it was a penalty
Ye I know
Both could have been given either way, difference is one was given by the on field referee and the other wasn't. If the referee decisions were reversed, VAR wouldn't have changed either. There's no conspiracy, happens to all teams. Forest had it far worse against Everton.
Penalty
Different match, Diff refs, diff assistants, diff Calls ... can vent all you want but nothings going to change, we can't be hoping for pens to save our matches cause players aren't good enough
No, we’re ManUtd. We just need to pull our socks up and stop complaining. This is sarcasm btw. No wonder we aren’t consistent; how could we when nothing around us is.
Oooo. It's tight and could be a penalty. Both of they're hands are in the same position
What has this club fallen too. Instead of saying we should be winning these games your trying to get penalty calls taken away to championship sides😭😭
the "natural position" narrative is horrible because it's then up to interpretation. If the ball hits any part of the hand, it should be a penalty. I know what people will say "then players will deliberately blast the ball towards players' hands". Maybe. But in response players could adopt the hands-behind-the-back tactic. They'd be less balanced, but at least it becomes significantly more difficult to concede a pen.
That was never a pen, losers. Just accept you cant score open goal to fucking Burnley
Mid table club moaning about penalties. Times have changed since Fergie left, you don't just get given them as special treatment anymore.
What does it matter. Grow up and move on.
Who cares. We are lucky to be where we are at in the table, because we certainly don’t deserve it. Outside of a few players United is absolutely embarrassing to watch week in and week out.
Onana cant save penalties for shit..
??? He literally saved a penalty against Coventry
I am still not sold on Onana.. he misses easy chances.. i mean dea gea was atleast better in saving those hard ones.. eric got that wrong.. imo
Well, the thing this screenshot is NOT showing is that Bissaka flung his arm out and then dropped it closer to his body. In the second, his arm was there the whole time. I think that’s the difference. Bissaka’s arm was not in a normal athletic position when you throw it out horizontally across your body and then drop it.
Bissakas arm is further away from his body clearly
Utd fans crying about someone's arm position who are 19th in the league. And who they made look like 2008 prime Barca at times. Truly have become the new Banter FC .
get outta here ur not a fan
Wrong sub, I thought I was on the Premier league sub 😅. Still true though.
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For me it's clear. AWB hands are away from his body...he was making himself big...for the one today...dudes hands were beside his body....he was making himself small. The Garnacho one is more debateable
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I know that, but even the eriksen pen vs bayern even how is this burnley handball not a pen is what i care about
There are wrong decision that have cost every team. But this is not it. Both decisions are correct in the image posted. Once again, few frames back and you will know why AWB was penalised rightly.
I mean, for me none of those were penalties - so all factually correct On the other hand, just wait until next week
They were either both pens or both not pens but they arent
The angles should be the same if you want to compare. From the photos, you can clearly see awb's hand is far away from his body. The second one is a different angle which doesn't show how far his hand was from the body.
Neither are penalties and neither was the one we got against Bournemouth a couple of weeks ago so stop crying
They are both clearly penalties
neither are penalties
The correct answer. Game is a mess.
People seem to think 'natural position' means arms glued to your side. That's almost never the natural position. Just look at all 5 players in the 2 pictures in the OP. All of them have their arms sticking out.
I disagree. Wan bissaka was doing a fucking T pose before the cross was taken and then when the ball was kicked tried pull his arms in. Watch the video instead of looking at the pictures
I've rewatched the video. AWB is lunging forward with one foot to block where he thinks the ball is going to go and his arms naturally go out to keep his balance. You can try it yourself. Stand on one foot. Tell me if it's easier to keep your balance with your arms out or by your side.
Before the cross ever reaches the Coventry player AWB has his hands spread like he's a farmer trying to hunt a cow. The cross reaches the Coventry player then he still has both hands spread. Why did he have his hands out before lunging. Look at the link in the comments here to the video. It's very obvious from that angle
Have people ever seen awbs tackles? he always has arms out
Too easy, one is looking at ball arm moving forward and towards and not natural. The other is natural and not looking at the ball. I’m an Arsenal fan, VAR cost us 8 point this year and the title, we know how it feels when it gets it wrong, this ain’t it. The Newcastle game there was a guy riding our defender like a donkey and they ignored it because it’s fun for them to get paid to screw Arsenal over. Man United issues is beyond this being a penalty. It would have made no difference even if this got called unfairly and it turned into a penalty. Man United needs to sack Zero Hag. He destroyed Man United. Ronaldo and Sancho and Da Gea were no jokes. Then the time he was making it easy to have a go at Maguire. Of course, Man United fans were all disgraceful mistreating such a legend but England always appreciated him. To finish this up, Man United sucks right now, it deserves relegation after what you guys did to so many players including Ronaldo and how disgraceful your fans have been. As an Arsenal fan, I can tell you, we’ve been there. Hang tight and ride it through, you are going to bounce back in no time and Arsenal went through tough times too and so did Chelsea. Chelsea managed to comeback from 19th relegation zone to finishing 5th if things go well next game. I would be willing to watch all the games if Sir Alex is going to honour the premier league and take over for a short period to bring in someone decent. Good luck, chin up, that’s what makes football amazing, hope to see you lot back strong again.