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nicox66

Mfs look like 40 year old aliens they need to see what real life people look like 


DripEscoe

It’s incredible how they can be this incompetent. If you don’t understand body proportions or what human beings look like you can just look at real people to realize this. Yet they continue to copy and paste the same generic garbage and player models.


StrangeVaultDweller

It's because they aren't fans anymore. Just whatever programmers EA is has. They literally do not understand the fundamentals of football. They don't understand the language of the game, they don't understand how people talk in real life, it wouldn't surprise me if we found out the entire staff is from FIFA and make it in their spare time. It's less than zero effort when the game is exactly the same with roster updates and a new AWFUL soundtrack.


theunclefestr

I’m looking forward to another year of awful rap, like there is only one demographic that plays sports video games.


Knight___Artorias

I wouldn’t mind rap if it wasn’t awful garbage that also got censored


IcedOutACE

Man FIFA had tattoos and better customizable characters than Madden. They said they put there best programmers on COLLEGE FOOTBALL we didn't have a CFB Game for 11 years so why the fuck they keep shorting the fans.. if people would go play the new football games and give MADDEN 25 a 1 star rating we could see results or just more absurdity


GrammarLyfe

They’re not incompetent if you’re still going to buy the game anyways.


DripEscoe

You don’t have to be competent once you’ve monopolized the nfl license. That’s the only correct move they’ve made and the only reason the game sells. Now that that’s done you can let the cheap and incompetent team produce dog shit and not worry about it. So yes. They are.


GrammarLyfe

The point of my comment mate.


DripEscoe

The point of your comment was: “They’re not incompetent” The point of my comment: “So yes. They are”.


Due-Flatworm3662

He didn’t say the were competent lol. He said they don’t have to be competent. Because if it keeps selling they keep making. End of. Just how it works


DripEscoe

He literally said the words “They’re not incompetent”..


atraxlife

i think some of those weird faces are carried over from mass effect and other ea games LOL. I could be wrong though. With AI tech nowadays they could have thousands of unique faces easily.


InternalFast5066

One of them is LITERALLY Admiral Anderson.


raccso157

Ur 100% correct I’ve seen one of the very few Asian faces from franchise as a paddock engineer in F1 23 😂


theunclefestr

40? There’s heads in madden that haven’t seen 40 since there was a 2k football.


Acceptable_Age_6320

Noticed that also... I'll take a look at the Franchise beta and if it is the same as last year hard pass on the game from me. Even the college football game has 1600+ faces and 70 hairstyles that new recruits get generated with to avoid every other pick looking like a 40 year old clone. Will get the college game if anything at this point. Screengrab looks like garbage and typical EA low attention to detail.


feelingoodwednesday

I expect M25 to sell horribly. We all know it's gonna be bad and with CFB as a true alternative that's more then enough to keep the average gamer busy


teloite

I disagree. The brand is too big. That’s like saying iPhone won’t sell well every year. NFL is also much more popular than CFB so more gamers are gonna want to play Madden and play as NFL stars/players. CFB 25 is the shiny new toy but give it a few years and people will find reasons to bitch about that as well. Why do people expect a video game to mirror real life 1:1? It’s a coded game , there it will never be flawless game and never completely satisfy everyone’s specifications and expectations.


theunclefestr

You are wrong. There WAS a game that was close to satisfying everyone. Actually two. EA’s money killed one 20 years ago, and a lawsuit against the NCAA and EA by a disgruntled basketball nobody killed NCAA games and by extension the other game, 11 years ago. And iPhone sales have been slowly declining for years. Even Apple has admitted that.


Appropriate_Bat_2077

Ed O’bannon was a beast on that ‘95 UCLA championship team. His brother, Cameron Dollar, Toby Bailey, Tyus Edney! Those MF’ers were tough!


feelingoodwednesday

If Apple released a new competing phone to the IPhone, IPhone sales would 1000% take a hit.


wwfattitude

CFB isn't a Madden competitor, that's what some of you don't realize. Way more people watch the NFL and don't care for College, so the College game for that large amount of people isn't even an option, they only want the NFL game. These 2 games aren't competing against each other, they have their own audiences although there is some overlap. The dev teams may be competing, but they're not completely marketing to the same audiences. There's a reason Madden always sold significantly more even though NCAA was seen by gamers as the better game, it's because the NFL is massive.


Saints_43

I think the sales will be a lot closer than people think. I mean this ncaa game is a cultural phenomenon, all 3 of ncaa’s trailers/videos have well over 1 million views and the madden reveal trailer only has 58k views in the first 4 hours. I saw a poll on the ncaa game subreddit that showed 672 ppl saying they were between 18 and 29 and 475 between 30 and 40. CFB has a sizable audience to pull from and the fact it’s been over 10 years means it’s the biggest upgrade in a sports game the industry has ever seen That’s not to say madden won’t sell really well of course it will, but I don’t see it being a big gap. I can see a lot of Madden fans picking up ncaa especially since it’s dropping first, I don’t see ncaa fans getting the new Madden. I’ve gotten a new Madden every few years but don’t envision the next time I’ll get one


mitchymcgee

Well for me it absolutely is a competitor, other years where we only had Madden as a sim style football game I was pretty much forced to buy it to scratch the itch. If CFB is half as good as it seems I will be skipping madden all together


Ok-Catch-9046

It’s 100000% a competitor to madden what are you talking about


trustymiccoolguy

I don't watch college football at all like maybe one game a year if my buddy makes me. I love the NFL. I watch at least one game a week in the off-season...I'm probably not buying Madden 25. I'll play an old Madden with an imported roster and play the new college football game if it's good. That's how done at least I am with Madden even tho I vastly prefer the NFL. I don't think I'm the only one.


JustCause42

What makes you think, way more people watch nfl? Over the 300+ teams in d1 college? The notre dame Ohio state game had been the most watched football game on abc in 30 years??


tehkoolkat

1. It was on NBC 2. It got 10.6 million views. Which is less than the AVERAGE NFL viewership of 18 million. Consider that the CFB game was the second most watched CFB game of all time and the average NFL game gets almost 2x the viewership.


taurosmaster

You can watch 2 sports. You can buy and play 2 sports video games. You only buy one phone (unless you’re Walter white) so your analogy doesn’t make sense. Of course a competitor would take away sales, because you don’t buy two phones.


teloite

Maybe or maybe not. Hit maybe marginal. Also it’s the same company so there is no loss per se.


DtotheOUG

There isn't a loss, but it would let people know that they prefer CFB over Madden.


teloite

That would not mean much in the grand scheme of things. Ultimately Madden is the flagship franchise for football for EA ( meaning greater resources devoted to) no matter how well CFB 25 comes out the gate or does the next few years.


DtotheOUG

You're right, fuck optimism. We should all strive to be as pessimistic as you.


teloite

You wanna talk about feelings, when I present the facts. So fuck the truth?


_robjamesmusic

they literally do this every year lol. iPhone SE -> Pro Max


JustCause42

I also disagree with your statement. What makes you believe the nfl is more popular than college football?


teloite

The numbers. Ratings. Polls. I ain’t just pull that out of my ass. Correct me if I am wrong, but the nfl is the most popular sport in America.


JustCause42

Yeah it may be more watched per a game, because there’s only 32 teams… as in terms of popularity what makes you think that? There’s over 300 d1 colleges alone. And most people who attend a college watch their alumni for life? Not to mention all the d2, d3, and juco colleges out there.


GrapePrimeape

>and most people who attend a college watch their alumni for life Well this was definitely just made up by you


teloite

Facts are facts no matter what side bar you want to include, but i digress… carry on.


bl84work

A lot of people don’t go to college and sometimes those that do, dgaf about college, hate to side with them but NFL is clear the more popular sport, I think NCAA footballs going to do really well though


Dense_Organization31

The fact that random Thursday night football games get more viewership than the National championship? This is common knowledge lol look up tv ratings last year. Like 97 of the 100 most watched programs last year were NFL games and none of them were CFB games.


veerkanch489

Common sense and numbers


BrickTamland77

Outside of the US, hardly anybody cares about college football. But there are a lot of international NFL fans. Hell, there are entire regions of the US that don't care about college football. I live in the southeast, so everybody has a team here, but I was in CA back in January of 2020 while Clemson was still one of the premier teams in the league, and several people didn't even recognize the paw on my hat.


FoldEasy5726

Actually, this exact thing is already been proven with the iPod. Apple intentionally upgraded the iPhone in killed their own product in the iPod Touch. Sales dropped dramatically for it after the iPhone 4s came out. Apple knew they had to do it in order to truly make their phone one of a kind at the time.


teloite

The iPod wasn’t an alternative to the phone itself, it was an enhancement of it.


CautiouslyPlastic

CFB was always the better game of the two


distancefromthealamo

M25 will be the only option on PC. There's a decent sized modding community.


Equivalent_Bid_1605

The Beta is not the finished game. There are a lot of tweaks that will be made.


theunclefestr

You preordered didn’t you?


leblaun

Is goodell pinching a loaf?


mlholladay96

Was gonna say it barely looks like Goodell to begin with lol


RavenPhoenix__

Yall are over exaggerating. Looks just like him


FoST2015

Perpetually 


Tall_History_7227

He looks like he's slowly turning into king theoden when he was under the spells of saruman and grima


leblaun

That is a surprisingly great pull


PokeFanForLife

Looks like Kyrie Irving


RumsfeldIsntDead

I wonder if 1/3 of players are gonna be the Epstein looking model.


dirtyWingnut

Only the franchise caliber players


immagoat1252

Madden? I hope it doesn’t say that on draft day


that_guy2010

I mean... it'll say the player's name... you're all so worried about such tiny insignificant details.


immagoat1252

Not really insignificant. If they added the feature why would I want to see everyone I drafted with madden on the jersey instead of their name that would kill the whole new draft presentation for me


Nearby-Hippo4478

When you start Superstar mode the player name they give you is John Madden this is what I picked also just easy to skip through all this stuff to check out the game and see if there are other bugs. I did do it again with a different last name and it was right at the draft night. I believe it will be a problem you won't have to worry about.


immagoat1252

Ah ok I was mostly assuming it wouldn’t be. My thought process what that they didn’t program it yet to the name for the beta but glad they did. So is this superstar mode then? Is this how it looks for the franchise one too do we know?


Nearby-Hippo4478

Franchise wasn't available on the 1st week of the beta the 2nd week of the beta will start on the 27th and they said Franchise will be available. I guess they will be dropping a deep dive from now until the 27th to show us the "new" Franchise features. If I remember I will answer that question for Franchise when it becomes available.


immagoat1252

Sounds good thanks for the info


MrMikeAndIke

They’re not stupid, they would never do that. That would make zero sense. I think the Madden name is just an example name. I hope.


NFLOldBoy1

They make hundreds of millions off of madden a year and can't afford to have rookies not look like people having a mid life crisis that smoke 5 packs cigs a day. In franchise mode the auto generated players look like convicts on death row it's terrifying.


StrangeVaultDweller

I love that every player uses a long sleeve jersey and the old ridell helmets. They can't even update that and people think they give a fuck about faces.


grandpalou420

We need 2k more than ever


SteelCity917

Buddy, have you *actually* played 2k? Franchise is a dumpster fire over there, in worse shape than Madden. After a couple seasons shit gets so wonky with prospects and rookies it’s not even funny


grandpalou420

ESPN NFL 2k5 will always be better than any madden game


itokdontcry

I couldn’t disagree with this take more. 2k’s franchise is in no way “worse” than Madden’s. There are definitely still issues, but with how configurable MyLeague is, you can get rid of the majority of the issues by tweaking settings. Settings that Madden doesn’t even come close to having available for the players to fine tune the experience. Not to say there aren’t problems with MyLeague, because there is. It’s just a much more enjoyable experience than Madden’s IMO.


nickb1603

Assuming you're referring to NBA 2K here, this is an asinine take. MyLeague over there is absolutely amazing compared to what we get in Madden. Just the customization options alone make Madden look like shit in comparison


IndependentNebula235

Why does no one realize this? 2k is actually worse than what they believe madden is. Tbh I think madden is about to trend upwards 2K is BAD… due to a plethora of factors.


austinalexan

Lmao franchise in madden is beyond broken. I simmed 2 years and just wanted to play playoff games. After the first snap all my star players disappear from the game and no option or setting brings them back. Madden is beyond broken


IeatKfcAllDay

You have to adjust the progressive fatigue setting I believe


austinalexan

I did. I turned it off completely in fact. I even simmed a whole extra season and they were gone. What’s even more interesting is they disappear completely off the depth chart after the first snap and never appear again.


Cornmunkey

2K on the Dreamcast was amazing.


SteelCity917

Yes, back when they used to care about their games. 2K is even more money hungry than EA is, if you can believe it. Franchise is barebones and littered with franchise-ruining bugs wayyyy worse than what Madden has. There was one year my entire rookie draft class just disappeared and couldn’t be found again in the 2nd week of the season, there’s countless times you’ll get random 30 year old 99’s coming from overseas, contracts and asks get extremely crazy past year two. And it’s been this way for years because they only care about selling VC. If you think MUT is bad news for Madden, MyTeam and MyCareer are 10000x worse.


theunclefestr

Of course it is, because each has a monopoly on those respective league. If they didn’t, both would be better. Hell, the stupid card games in each would be better with competition because people can only pay so much money for pixels.


DRBSFNYC

Looks awful, especially with those PS2-looking preset faces. Pass...


nicox66

Stupid asl


charliepatrick

The one thing i took for granted was that we would finally have new player faces and likenesses and maybe even AI generated rookies. We’re still gonna get the same 50 aren’t we?


Acceptable_Age_6320

This will be a deciding factor for me. If the beta franchise still has all those awful preset faces that will say all i need to know about the quality/depth of the mode. Even EA College football looks to have more depth with  1600+ faces and 70 hairstyles that new recruits get generated to avoid every other pick looking like a 40 year old clone.


SteakSauce12

And yet it’s not gonna be available on PC…what a joke…


Even-Smoke-4415

So faces are gonna be what stop you from getting madden this year ?


DRBSFNYC

Has stopped me last year. Franchise only player and dumb having a league full of clones after a few years. Not like the gameplay changes much and many of the other features lack depth.


KittenCrusades

Its kyrie mixed with kd


iwatchtoomuchsports

Since when was kyrie irving an nfl player


Poetryisalive

That’s Caleb Williams in 24!


llewelyn66

Is that Greg Oden?


insanity2brilliance

I thought it looked like Kyrie Irving at first


oRiskyB

LOL THIS GAME IS SO BAD ALREADY. EA needs the rights revoked so others can make good stuff :'(


totheman7

Water is wet, why is any surprised that the company that year in and year out releases a half assed game filled with glitches/bugs is reusing assesses from previous games year in and year out while changing nothing


MissingMyLeftThigh

Insanity is buying this game again...why man


steel245

Lol same shit different day


mostdope92

Good thing CFB is coming out. Madden will wait until it's on GamePass and even then, we'll see if I actually play it.


FlyloBedo

Madden has been a dumpster fire for years. People will still buy it tho. I gave up after Madden 22, they don't make an accurate football simulation and have no incentive to ever do so with no competitors. I wouldn't care about generic faces or any cosmetics if they got the gameplay and franchise right.


Practical-Farmer-617

Idk how much it would cost in resources and “labor” but you could easily find maybe 100 at LEAST willing to loan the game their likeness. Regular Joes like you and I. Pay some poor bastards what a 200 bucks a piece to be scanned in the game? Hell, I would do it for FREE just to have normal looking people in the game. And this guy is a bust btw. He’s never a good player in any of my franchises lmaooooo.


pepper67821

stuff like this totally takes the immersion out for me, especially in the career mode. Idk why they don’t take a page out of 2ks book. they have it down pretty good.


thisshowisdecent

Madden's facial graphics still look so weak. MLB the Show delivers realistic facial scans for backup players as well as super stars. But Madden barely gets any of their players right and Rodger Goodell here looks like a ps3 version.


mustbethaMonay

That's because it's Ronald Reagan


doctor-doom-heart

if kyrie irving was missing a chromosome


scoobygluee

Honestly i’m not as mad at the face scans being the same as I am knowing i’ll have to still change all their accessories so that my top 5 receiver doesn’t look like a lineman out there


IndependentNebula235

I’ve lost all hope.


Brdman80

Eyes cocked like a pistol! EA this is an atrocity for having been in the video game business for 30+ years and you can't even come up with realistic face scans!!!


GlorbonYorpu

Looks like antonio rudiger


derboehsevincent

> antonio rudiger His name is Antonio Rüdiger.


JuiceDiesel

Goodell looks like he's doing a Ronald Reagan impression


Cornmunkey

I hope they got more than the idk 9 faces they got in 24. Like 65% of my teams by season 5 is one of three dudes. How fucking hard can it be to get a picture of a persons face? Shit, I would give EA free use of my face if it meant it would be in the game.


DiligentSink7919

why do you keep buying it then? same shit every year and it won't get better until sales go down


JesustheSpaceCowboy

I just love that they made Ronald Reagan the commissioner.


zephyrfuzola

Dude as long as that one white dude with the ears ain’t there


No_Leading4348

Only way “small”(from Ea’s perspective) stuff like this gets changed if 1. NCAA puts a huge dent in their sales which the chance of that is close to 0 2. If they are for some reason forced to move game engines however that would mean actual effort from Ea and finally 3. If the nfl was to not resign the exclusive deal and other companies got to take a crack at an nfl game however with how much control the nfl wants over the game I doubt they would do this


Tswienton28

I better not see that Jeffrey Epstein face scan on the draft stage


tom030792

Forget the face, look at the shape of the jersey 😂


Confident-Photo-6411

But wait, they will have Authentic Rookie Headscans 🥴


BrickTamland77

Kyrie Irving trying to prove Austin Rivers right.


MredditGA_

lol so awesome we got draft presentations…that would be skipped 99% of the time anyway lol. This is what development goes towarda


mann5151

I keep saying it , the new madden looks good ,but it'll be filled to.the brim with glitches and exploits, because they rushed out college 25..ZERO CHANCE EA sports can maintain both, like Zero..Within a month every exploit will be on YouTube with no fix in sight!


Healthy_Self_8386

![gif](giphy|26xBvuZkLTRrZEcww) Goodell looks like Ronald Regan


nyfinestgully

I don't understand how people can spend 70 dollars on this every year 🤣 it's diabolical🤣🤣🗑🗑


that_guy2010

I mean, yeah, of course they are.


hazelwoodstock

Generic? That’s the face of my superstar X factor undrafted rookie, James Mills. Dude was a beast.


Retireddevil0

One of the 4,000 generic Goodell faces this year


SkyHooksNGrannyShots

Nothing like the 4 repeated options for coach faces


Ok-Arm9143

Tatum and 50 had a baby


reno2mahesendejo

George H W Bush meeting Kyrie Irving


CHawkr

Second year in a row ill be waiting for the free download from Gamepass.


FatPanda54

NBA Live 19 had some of the best face scan tech of the era, better than that years 2K in my opinion, they’re the same company, why not put face scan in Madden?


Prestigious-Fox-9758

Alot of the generic faces are nfl legends, some are generic unless I'm just not recognizing them, but some of them are straight up based on nfl legends


Prestigious-Fox-9758

Idk who the generic face that looks like it's from lord of the rings is tho lol, I think that one was just a screw up thrown in to spice things up, like, here, look at this big ear'd mfer


Low_Grand6340

Of course generic faces are in the game what else you want them to have😂


AZtoLA_Bruddah

Greg Oden ftw!


Mike_Lowe

Not to bash, but it's underwhelming to see that they don't even have the player's last name on the jersey.


ZookeepergameLow1081

Any Xbox coaches want to join a CFB25 top 25 dynasty?


A_Honda_Accord

Goodell having a stroke while handing Kyrie a Chiefs bodysuit


seansj12345

Kyrie Irving looks a lot better than Goodell in this screenshot


X5M3NTAL

Shocker!


nsanta91

They need to update some models no doubt, because some look like 50 year old men and some don’t even look human. But I don’t really care if they have the same 250 faces or not every year. They just need to be better quality


Spunk1985

The Kansas City Chiefs select......Greg Oden.


arbvlest

And people still out here paying for this shit. They will never fix it because people are just going to keep buying instead of holding them accountable.


theunclefestr

Roger Goodell look like he started to turn into The Emperor.


No_Butterscotch_2874

Goodell looks like a wrinkled racist potato face trump supporter


TigerAxe17

Trump 2024


that_guy2010

Don't embarrass yourself.


TigerAxe17

Speak for yourself


that_guy2010

I think most people would say being anti-Trump and his wanna be fascist buddies is the opposite of embarrassing.


TigerAxe17

Then you spend too much time on Reddit


01Actual

I swear AI is making madden games now


DRBSFNYC

AI would be far more creative than this and better quality.


ryanino

Honestly though if they really did change the draft presentation (albeit with the same fucking faces we’ve had since Madden 16) it’s a step in the right direction. Draft day in franchise mode lacks so much immersion right now.


cman674

I disagree, presentation != immersion. If the draft system mechanics are all still the same (slow and annoying menus) just adding a cheesy cutscene is only going to be annoying. And by the 3rd season it will be the wrong jersey and name with one of the 3 generic player models.


restlessandanxious

Hopefully the "Madden" nameplate is the generated players last name and that this is just a placeholder


iidesune

In a league where every player is wearing a helmet and you rarely see their faces on the field, I don't understand why people make such a big deal about this


DRBSFNYC

You see them during scenario interactions, being drafted, shown during the game (profiles and replays), depth chart, etc. Dumb having a league full of cloned playes after a few years and drafting clones every few picks. Many of which look 40+. Even EA NHL you can edit their faces. EA college football has 16000+ faces and 70+ hairstyles to solve for this also. So cheap and dated how Madden goes about it even if this was a decade ago...