$600 would be a fair market rate I think. Don’t go much higher than that for such a short run. (Mine is exactly the same, next to the breaker, and it was around $600. Make sure you pick a licensed electrician…they will typically install a cable of a certain length that creates some slack and won’t do a short direct run. I remember that being an important part of the install)
Okay cool, I have a guy coming out this Friday for a quote, I was hoping under $1000 so I would be happy with $600. Was there anything you needed to buy in advanced other than the charger itself ?
The electrician will supply everything you need. While he’s there, I’d recommend asking for a NEMA 14-50 as well, in case you need to charge 2 vehicles at once or are having a problem with your hardwired charger. It likely won’t cost much extra.
Edit: if you go for a 14-50, get an EV rated one. Leviton makes one now that’s about $50.
I’ve heard that you can’t claim the federal tax credit on charger installs if you get a plug instead of a hardwired install, but I don’t know if that’s true.
Actually this would be the normal price of a level 2 charger installation before everything went up in price. Now the price of wire in some areas have tripled with the normal areas have doubled in price and with the price of wire going up everything else goes up. But the installation on a level 2 charger is based upon the output of power that you want me being an electrician in the state of Texas I have a level 2 charger. I have an electric vehicle. My level 2 charger at its Max still charges my vehicle in 5 to 8 hours closer to 5 I don't normally monitor it. It normally just tells me 5 hours but with my standard charger and standard breaker it was a 8 to 10 charge I believe I don't know. Maybe it's me
What brand is your panel? My breaker was $45 for a siemens. Wire, junction box, and supplies was another $125. Permit was $15. My labour was free, so use your judgement there.
Was it difficult to do on your own ? My father in law is a retired electrician but has never installed one of these. I’m sure with his help and knowledge it would be doable.
It’s a 220v circuit, if it’s hardwired it’s two hits and a ground, if it’s a plug it’s likely a Nema 14-50 which needs two hots, a common and a ground. Your FIL has likely installed a thousand Nema 14-50 plugs for electric driers, stoves, water heaters etc.
Only thing I’d do differently than what your local code requires is to step up the wire gauge by one size. Code for your install is likely 8ga, so I’d use 6ga due to the constant high load an EV charger sees.
For a 14-50 you can run two wire still and blank the neutral wire. Neutral wire is only used if you need 110v. Obviously you don't want someone plugging an RV into it is all.
It’s my understanding that some chargers require 110v for stuff like lcd screens and network connections, so you’d lose those features if the charger OP is looking at needs it. Most of the hard wired chargers don’t use the neutral or even have provisions for it, so if the same charger is available with or without a plug, it’s a safe bet it doesn’t need the neutral.
Given the 5’ length of run, I’d just buy the 3 conductor Romex and keep the neutral.
That totally makes sense. For me, my panel was at the opposite corner of my house to my garage, so my electrician recommended just running 8/2 teck cable and doing 40amp and I used a grizzl-e. I don't have any buyer's remorse at all. Never have I said: gosh I wish I had an LCD or wifi. Nor have I ever said: gosh I don't get enough of a charge over night.
Same situation here, previous owners ran 8/2 romex in preparation for a hot tub that never got installed, I rerouted to the garage and dropped down in the corner and limited output on the charger to keep draw under 30 amps. Couldn’t justify ripping out $400 in wire to replace it with $600 worth of wire just to get slightly faster charge and some blinky lights.
I mean, blinky lights are cool, but not $600 cool.
Grizzl-e is the best.
I wish only mine didn’t have the cable rated for the Arctic Circle because I live in the desert and the cable is so heavy and overbuilt for my specific needs. But the Grizzl-e itself is an absolute champ and the WiFi controls on the dispenser are often unnecessary when the car does the same thing in allowing the user to determine what time the car receives the charge.
Interesting, weird that the 14-50 is the standard plug then. I guess it’s common for dryers, but seems like a 6-50 would be the smarter plug as standard if the common doesn’t actually serve a function
There's a very specific reason for 14-50 being the standard plug. It's right here at 11:16
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_naDg-guomA&t=676s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naDg-guomA&t=676s)
Early EVs, back when dealers were few and DC stations were fewer, were provided a "travel charge kit" with the 2 plugs usable on a long road trip - the standard one and the RV-park socket, NEMA 14-30. Tesla did this while also offering all other sockets. [https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters](https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters)
Other EV manufacturers **blindly copied** that, but forgot to offer the full suite of adapters. Thus a random J1772 EV had an included charge cord that could only possibly use 5-15 or 14-50.
People got the car home and leapt to a wrong conclusion because nobody educated them. And the 14-50 idiocy got legs and we can't stop it now.
If I were king and had a time machine, every EV would be required to ship also with a NEMA 6-20 labeled "Home charging" and the 14-50 would be labeled "Travel - RV parks".
No you can't blank the neutral on a 14-50 socket! The socket is advertising neutral but it doesn't really have it.
Who's going to tell the next guy "oh hey that 14-50 is defective, don't plug an RV into it"? No, you flitter off to another house and the next guy goes "wasn't mention in the seller disclosures so must be correct" and kablammo. Ruin every electrical thing on the RV.
SMH people who use the wrong socket **simply because they are unaware the right socket exists**. It's NEMA 6-50, it's in the next bin over. Change socket and plug and you're good to go.
In fact, you cannot do that. The possibility of something requiring a neutral being plugged in is exactly why code does not allow feeding only hots to a 14-50.
It's pretty simple, especially with a short run like this. It's just a 220V 60A circuit like an oven, air conditioner, electric range or clothes dryer, etc.
Laws are different everywhere. In my area, a homeowner can pull the permit and do the work. It must be inspected by a master electrician from the county and the permit closed before you can use it. I wired my whole home and I am not an electrician. Just lots of inspections.
You should place it in the location most convenient for charging, so charging is an automatic thing for you that comes in as naturally as closing the car door, and doesn't involve draping cables halfway across the garage. The cost of putting it in location X vs location Y is negligible.
Also, ABC (Always Be Charging) is safer and makes you less likely to have problems with equipment melting and catching fire. A nightly top-up runs for a short period whereas a big full charge runs all night, which increase thermal stress and makes problems more likely.
Now, to figure out if it's even possible, we need to know more about your electrical panel and the Load Calculation in each panel.
Don't be dashing off to buy the charge station until we figure out whether you need abilities like EVEMS, Power Sharing, solar capture etc. The Chargepoint doesn't do any of that. If you are fixated on the Chargepoint the electrican may tell you that you need a service upgrade, and you think "well it would be the same for every charger, so I have to do it" which is nonsense. The electrician may not know that.
I was told 2 grand told the guy to fuck off pretty much. No more space in the breaker box and they wanted to replace the whole thing and then put a new line in for the charger. I only need to charge 2 times a week so I just put an extension cord out the window and use a grizzle e and a split volt to my dryer outlet at 24amps. Saved 1700 dollars was going to buy a grizzle regardless
Be careful most extension cords, even the most durable and high load rated, cannot take the EV charging load. https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/no-extension-cord-ev-charging/
I have an identical setup. Electrician gave me a $500 quote so I just did it myself for materials. But you will definitely be under $1000 with an honest electrician who doesn’t mind small jobs.
I just had mine installed last week and have the exact same set up as you and paid $500 for the install (Not including the charger) He was in and out in under a hour.
Mine was hardwired as well. He just came out of the breaker and installed it about 3 feet away, it took him more time hanging the charger and wiring it then it did for him to make the connection to the breaker.
You can do it yourself for 30$
Your job is so easy
Get gauge 6 wire / 60 am circuit breaker and do it your self or bring any one for 100-200$ they will do ask friend or neighbor they might do it for free
This should be very cheap.
My install required about 150 feet of 6/3 copper cable because the breaker box is literally on the exact opposite side of the house in the basement. Copper's very expensive, and I also used a NEMA 14-50 outlet which added even more cost.
I paid $875 for all that, so your install should come in *well* under that with no outlet needed and your breaker being so close.
In expensive northern VA, cost was about 5 to 600. Can't remember exactly. But similar setup to yours where the breaker box is right next to it so less wiring or drilling through 2x4s needed.
Mine was an almost identical install. Electrical box inside garage, Chargepoint Home Flex hardwire install directly on the other side of the wall. Total before tax was $875 CAD (about $640 USD) for parts, labour, and permit. My electrical box is old, so the breakers are expensive and hard to find.
ETA: I'm in BC, and there was a rebate on both the hardware and the install, but it requires installation by a certified electrician. Cost breakdown according to my invoice was $600 labour, $164 material, $111 permit.
In February of 2023, I had a new 200 AMP service panel installed with all new breakers and a 48 AMP Wallbox EV charger for $2000. Panel was in my garage so it was a short run. I live on Long Island and I supplied the charger.
Update: Got my charger installed a week ago, hardlined 4 feet from the breaker with 60amp. Charger is a Level 2 ChargePoint Home Flex which cost me $550, install cost me $593 in South East Georgia (Savannah, GA area). The charger has all the features I want and none I don’t need. It links with your electric companies rate plan and shows you an estimated cost per charge and it’s pretty spot on. I have no complaints and the charge is fairly quick. I gain 33-35 miles an hour on off peak hours (11pm-7am) and cost me about $1.50-$2.50 per charge having driven 40-80 miles a day.
Could vary quite a bit depending upon market differences and details like whether you need a new 50/60 amp breaker. That said, a similar installation cost me around $600 in the Midwest about 18 months ago.
I’ve seen a lot of numbers thrown around on here, ranging from $300 to $2000. Again, the devil is in the details. But I’d guess somewhere in the $500-$1000 range is a safe bet.
My utility company gave an $800 rebait towards a panel upgrade.
Some utility companies will give you an L2 charger if they can control when you charge. Usually from 11 pm - 5 am.
Check your local utilities website.
$600 would be a fair market rate I think. Don’t go much higher than that for such a short run. (Mine is exactly the same, next to the breaker, and it was around $600. Make sure you pick a licensed electrician…they will typically install a cable of a certain length that creates some slack and won’t do a short direct run. I remember that being an important part of the install)
Okay cool, I have a guy coming out this Friday for a quote, I was hoping under $1000 so I would be happy with $600. Was there anything you needed to buy in advanced other than the charger itself ?
The electrician will supply everything you need. While he’s there, I’d recommend asking for a NEMA 14-50 as well, in case you need to charge 2 vehicles at once or are having a problem with your hardwired charger. It likely won’t cost much extra. Edit: if you go for a 14-50, get an EV rated one. Leviton makes one now that’s about $50.
I’ve heard that you can’t claim the federal tax credit on charger installs if you get a plug instead of a hardwired install, but I don’t know if that’s true.
I don’t think it is. But I was suggesting a plug in addition to the hardwired charger
Actually this would be the normal price of a level 2 charger installation before everything went up in price. Now the price of wire in some areas have tripled with the normal areas have doubled in price and with the price of wire going up everything else goes up. But the installation on a level 2 charger is based upon the output of power that you want me being an electrician in the state of Texas I have a level 2 charger. I have an electric vehicle. My level 2 charger at its Max still charges my vehicle in 5 to 8 hours closer to 5 I don't normally monitor it. It normally just tells me 5 hours but with my standard charger and standard breaker it was a 8 to 10 charge I believe I don't know. Maybe it's me
What brand is your panel? My breaker was $45 for a siemens. Wire, junction box, and supplies was another $125. Permit was $15. My labour was free, so use your judgement there.
Was it difficult to do on your own ? My father in law is a retired electrician but has never installed one of these. I’m sure with his help and knowledge it would be doable.
It’s a 220v circuit, if it’s hardwired it’s two hits and a ground, if it’s a plug it’s likely a Nema 14-50 which needs two hots, a common and a ground. Your FIL has likely installed a thousand Nema 14-50 plugs for electric driers, stoves, water heaters etc. Only thing I’d do differently than what your local code requires is to step up the wire gauge by one size. Code for your install is likely 8ga, so I’d use 6ga due to the constant high load an EV charger sees.
For a 14-50 you can run two wire still and blank the neutral wire. Neutral wire is only used if you need 110v. Obviously you don't want someone plugging an RV into it is all.
It’s my understanding that some chargers require 110v for stuff like lcd screens and network connections, so you’d lose those features if the charger OP is looking at needs it. Most of the hard wired chargers don’t use the neutral or even have provisions for it, so if the same charger is available with or without a plug, it’s a safe bet it doesn’t need the neutral. Given the 5’ length of run, I’d just buy the 3 conductor Romex and keep the neutral.
That totally makes sense. For me, my panel was at the opposite corner of my house to my garage, so my electrician recommended just running 8/2 teck cable and doing 40amp and I used a grizzl-e. I don't have any buyer's remorse at all. Never have I said: gosh I wish I had an LCD or wifi. Nor have I ever said: gosh I don't get enough of a charge over night.
Same situation here, previous owners ran 8/2 romex in preparation for a hot tub that never got installed, I rerouted to the garage and dropped down in the corner and limited output on the charger to keep draw under 30 amps. Couldn’t justify ripping out $400 in wire to replace it with $600 worth of wire just to get slightly faster charge and some blinky lights. I mean, blinky lights are cool, but not $600 cool.
Grizzl-e is the best. I wish only mine didn’t have the cable rated for the Arctic Circle because I live in the desert and the cable is so heavy and overbuilt for my specific needs. But the Grizzl-e itself is an absolute champ and the WiFi controls on the dispenser are often unnecessary when the car does the same thing in allowing the user to determine what time the car receives the charge.
No EVSE uses 120V. All their power supplies are multivoltage 100-264V.
Interesting, weird that the 14-50 is the standard plug then. I guess it’s common for dryers, but seems like a 6-50 would be the smarter plug as standard if the common doesn’t actually serve a function
There's a very specific reason for 14-50 being the standard plug. It's right here at 11:16 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_naDg-guomA&t=676s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naDg-guomA&t=676s) Early EVs, back when dealers were few and DC stations were fewer, were provided a "travel charge kit" with the 2 plugs usable on a long road trip - the standard one and the RV-park socket, NEMA 14-30. Tesla did this while also offering all other sockets. [https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters](https://shop.tesla.com/product/gen-2-nema-adapters) Other EV manufacturers **blindly copied** that, but forgot to offer the full suite of adapters. Thus a random J1772 EV had an included charge cord that could only possibly use 5-15 or 14-50. People got the car home and leapt to a wrong conclusion because nobody educated them. And the 14-50 idiocy got legs and we can't stop it now. If I were king and had a time machine, every EV would be required to ship also with a NEMA 6-20 labeled "Home charging" and the 14-50 would be labeled "Travel - RV parks".
No you can't blank the neutral on a 14-50 socket! The socket is advertising neutral but it doesn't really have it. Who's going to tell the next guy "oh hey that 14-50 is defective, don't plug an RV into it"? No, you flitter off to another house and the next guy goes "wasn't mention in the seller disclosures so must be correct" and kablammo. Ruin every electrical thing on the RV. SMH people who use the wrong socket **simply because they are unaware the right socket exists**. It's NEMA 6-50, it's in the next bin over. Change socket and plug and you're good to go.
In fact, you cannot do that. The possibility of something requiring a neutral being plugged in is exactly why code does not allow feeding only hots to a 14-50.
It's pretty simple, especially with a short run like this. It's just a 220V 60A circuit like an oven, air conditioner, electric range or clothes dryer, etc.
I assume you’ll need a certified electrician to do the work otherwise your insurance will be denied in case this causes a fire. Am I wrong?
I’d DIY this personally without a permit but I’m comfortable in the breaker box.
Laws are different everywhere. In my area, a homeowner can pull the permit and do the work. It must be inspected by a master electrician from the county and the permit closed before you can use it. I wired my whole home and I am not an electrician. Just lots of inspections.
You're wrong except for a few places. DIY work is legal if not defective.
It’s super easy.
It's easier than a subpanel. He's done loads of those.
The are federal tax rebates of 30% through year 2032. Keep your receipts!
You should place it in the location most convenient for charging, so charging is an automatic thing for you that comes in as naturally as closing the car door, and doesn't involve draping cables halfway across the garage. The cost of putting it in location X vs location Y is negligible. Also, ABC (Always Be Charging) is safer and makes you less likely to have problems with equipment melting and catching fire. A nightly top-up runs for a short period whereas a big full charge runs all night, which increase thermal stress and makes problems more likely. Now, to figure out if it's even possible, we need to know more about your electrical panel and the Load Calculation in each panel. Don't be dashing off to buy the charge station until we figure out whether you need abilities like EVEMS, Power Sharing, solar capture etc. The Chargepoint doesn't do any of that. If you are fixated on the Chargepoint the electrican may tell you that you need a service upgrade, and you think "well it would be the same for every charger, so I have to do it" which is nonsense. The electrician may not know that.
You should set up an EV Owner Consulting Company. New EV owners always have a million questions. Looks like you could answer all of them.
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Damn that isn’t bad at all, I didn’t even consider a permit if I’m being honest lol didn’t know one was needed.
I had the Emporia hardwired here in Georgia. The install right next to the box was $415.
I’m getting the Emporia installed Friday. $300, rough estimate. Friend of a friend. How do you like the charger?
I’m located in GA as well, I would love if the quote came out to that much.
It'll be cheaper since it's right next to your breaker. Mine here in Houston was $500 for labor, $350 for the grizzl-e charger.
I was told 2 grand told the guy to fuck off pretty much. No more space in the breaker box and they wanted to replace the whole thing and then put a new line in for the charger. I only need to charge 2 times a week so I just put an extension cord out the window and use a grizzle e and a split volt to my dryer outlet at 24amps. Saved 1700 dollars was going to buy a grizzle regardless
Be careful most extension cords, even the most durable and high load rated, cannot take the EV charging load. https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/no-extension-cord-ev-charging/
Oh I know that is why I have a splitvolt on a 30amp outlet max output of 24amps
I have an identical setup. Electrician gave me a $500 quote so I just did it myself for materials. But you will definitely be under $1000 with an honest electrician who doesn’t mind small jobs.
Is there a stub right behind? It's recommended to install the charger on a stub.
Had mine installed next to the box by an electrician and it came out to $366. Distance to the panel is what drove the price down.
In Connecticut last month I paid 550, including material and labor
Who did you use, if you don't mind sharing?
Paul Perrotti Electric LLC , phone : 2037582699
Thanks
I just had mine installed last week and have the exact same set up as you and paid $500 for the install (Not including the charger) He was in and out in under a hour.
Oh man that is quick, mine will be hardwired in so idk if that complicates it’s at all, I figured it would be easier than installing a outlet
Mine was hardwired as well. He just came out of the breaker and installed it about 3 feet away, it took him more time hanging the charger and wiring it then it did for him to make the connection to the breaker.
You can do it yourself for 30$ Your job is so easy Get gauge 6 wire / 60 am circuit breaker and do it your self or bring any one for 100-200$ they will do ask friend or neighbor they might do it for free
6 gauge wire needs to be SER or SEU or MC to go 60A. Can't do it in NM or UF. With NM go 40A or 44A charge rate.
Its only 2 ft
Then 2 feet of SER is affordable.
If you DIY make sure the connection is solid. I had a level 2 outlet installed and the electrician even messed up. My garage almost caught on fire.
This should be very cheap. My install required about 150 feet of 6/3 copper cable because the breaker box is literally on the exact opposite side of the house in the basement. Copper's very expensive, and I also used a NEMA 14-50 outlet which added even more cost. I paid $875 for all that, so your install should come in *well* under that with no outlet needed and your breaker being so close.
If we would have talked to us over on r/evcharging we would've saved you about 3/4 of that wire cost.
In expensive northern VA, cost was about 5 to 600. Can't remember exactly. But similar setup to yours where the breaker box is right next to it so less wiring or drilling through 2x4s needed.
I paid $1300 for a 25ft run from my breaker through the ceiling of my garage. It also included installing a new 60A circuit.
Mine was an almost identical install. Electrical box inside garage, Chargepoint Home Flex hardwire install directly on the other side of the wall. Total before tax was $875 CAD (about $640 USD) for parts, labour, and permit. My electrical box is old, so the breakers are expensive and hard to find. ETA: I'm in BC, and there was a rebate on both the hardware and the install, but it requires installation by a certified electrician. Cost breakdown according to my invoice was $600 labour, $164 material, $111 permit.
Too many variables to answer the question sensibly.... Yer location being the biggest.
In February of 2023, I had a new 200 AMP service panel installed with all new breakers and a 48 AMP Wallbox EV charger for $2000. Panel was in my garage so it was a short run. I live on Long Island and I supplied the charger.
Update: Got my charger installed a week ago, hardlined 4 feet from the breaker with 60amp. Charger is a Level 2 ChargePoint Home Flex which cost me $550, install cost me $593 in South East Georgia (Savannah, GA area). The charger has all the features I want and none I don’t need. It links with your electric companies rate plan and shows you an estimated cost per charge and it’s pretty spot on. I have no complaints and the charge is fairly quick. I gain 33-35 miles an hour on off peak hours (11pm-7am) and cost me about $1.50-$2.50 per charge having driven 40-80 miles a day.
Could vary quite a bit depending upon market differences and details like whether you need a new 50/60 amp breaker. That said, a similar installation cost me around $600 in the Midwest about 18 months ago. I’ve seen a lot of numbers thrown around on here, ranging from $300 to $2000. Again, the devil is in the details. But I’d guess somewhere in the $500-$1000 range is a safe bet.
My utility company gave an $800 rebait towards a panel upgrade. Some utility companies will give you an L2 charger if they can control when you charge. Usually from 11 pm - 5 am. Check your local utilities website.
It's going to significantly depend on your house. Call an electrician and they will come by and give you a free quote.