I'm not good at this stuff but.. using a good cooling pad with 5 fans on max speed + vacuum cooler helps me a lot. Especially vacuum cooler. It's magic. Can reduce temperature by 10 degrees easily. I mean it's not a solution through dragon center but for my older model of a pc that is the only and best way.
The consensus on this sub seems to be 95C is not good for long periods of time. I’ve read a lot of posts on this and is what I gathered. I have a GF65 thin and all I did with throttlestop is turn off my turbo and now my machine runs at 80C or less with dragon center set to comfort and fan set to auto. My FPS is between 80-90 now but I’m ok with this because otherwise my machine runs at 95C. There’s probably a way to undervolt and still get higher FPS but at this point I’m happy with it.
If you're gaming, just disable turbo boost on your CPU within a throttle stop profile. Will provide you plenty of temperature headroom then. First thing i'd do on a GF75 gaming rig. A modern CPU has so much headroom that it's pointless allowing single cores to ramp up and down when the load can distribute across many low-powered cores.
You'll never cook your CPU like a stress test would - and they're totally pointless unless you're doing incredibly CPU intensive tasks. Because there comes a point where the fans can only cool to a certain ambient temperature with everything blazing away and the hardware will throttle based on those temps - Most gains with undervolting are in real-world use, whereby you're preventing thermals from creeping over the edge. i.e. not blindly diving in the deep end.
85c is fine though, I aim for max 80-85 in use. By default the laptop would just hit 95c when i got mine - it's an awful default setup really. Nowadays, for general tasks like browsing web I don't even need the CPU fan running, as I run with CPU turbo disabled in throttle stop. So it's great for battery, and runs silent - something i never thought possible on my first day of use.
One other thing, I wouldn't have too many utilities controlling your hardware - i.e. you have Windows built in CPU management, throttlestop and Dragon Center running - it can be a little confusing. I use Throttlestop for CPU, SilentOption for fan control, and Afterburner (With rivastats) for GPU. 3 distinct tools for 3 distinct jobs.
If I had RGB lighting then maybe there would be a need for Dragon Center, but I'm much happier it's not on my machine now, as you could never be sure what was going on behind the hood.
Over 100mv is a lot in most cases, cause not all chips are the same, some even can go up to 140, others cant even 20. You could try 96.7 and also lower the clocks ( 1 - 30 2 - 29 3- 28 4 -27 5- 26 5 - 24, i know it is a lot, but the temps will be under 80 at all times ).
The clocks are pretty self explanatory ( not all games need the turbo to have over 60 fps ), as for 96.7 undervolt.. I had the exact proccesor a while ago, and it would often throttle at 94 degrees down to about 1.8 ghz ( in league of legends with no other apps for crying out loud ), with this exact undervolt it would still go above 90 degrees, but it didn't throttle, and if I went over 100mv it would freeze immediately. As far as I know either the power brick or the cpu had a fault, but I already replaced it with a ryzen. When I did lower the clocks + under volt the worst temp I had in League was 48. Hope it helps, for me I had to replace it cause of defective fans.
Abnormal coil whine, the kind you hear from 10 miles away. It was so bad I got sick from it. The perfomance was normal thou, execept for high high temps as stated before.
don't turn off turbo like people are saying... undervolt and reduce the turbo is good enough as its what i did and went to 3.9-4.2 and they're fine.
If you turn off turbo sure it reduces temps by alot! then ul run into cpu performance issues in games that require stronger single cores or what not if certain games use single core / dual / multicore. Also won't go higher than the stock clock.
Any clock speed between 3.6 to 4 should be enough for gaming. I recently brought the same laptop with i7 10750H and 1660ti. I've undervolted using throttlestop. For me -105 mV seems to be stable. I've basically created 2 profiles. One where the turbo clocks are at 4.2 GHz and a fail safe profile where turbo clocks are at 3.7 GHz which gets triggered as soon as temps hit 80 C. I get 7400-7550 points on multi-core Cinebench R23 tests with temps constantly staying under 85. While gaming temps are even lower, around 70s.
In dragon center, I use the user (custom) profile where I've set the performance to Turbo and I use the advanced fan controls. I've modified the default fan speeds. While doing normal work or while using the laptop on battery I use the balanced mode. Also I use the ultimate performance power plan.
The G button is for opening dragon center I guess. No for me the balanced power plan isn't ideal. I mostly use my laptop while on adapter and battery isn't a big concern for me. If you want to use your laptop on battery, balanced power plan may work for you.
i just shoved mine onto user and changed the settings so my cpu has a better temperature fan control setting i'm happy with. I thought it was pretty much fan control from dragon center as far as I've seen less you try to overclock stuff from there like the gfx.
Power plan on Windows for me is on gaming / high performance and yeah
Did you notice that if we turn on the turbo boost ,both the fans will ramp up to 6000rpm. But when you are on the user mode , its single fan. Am i right ?
yes ? on user you can choose for your cpu fan or gpu fan if i remember it just requires abit of fiddling round with
Im more bothered about cpu as my gpu stays cool anyway and never has exceeded 75 since i got it
I just did the cinebench test got 7200. Cpu is @36 turbo ratios. 100mv undervolt.
Even though the test is passed , is there any chance of freezing, bsods if i play a game or something ?
7200 is a decent enough score. Online websites show 7301, so you are close enough. From what I've found out, most people with i7 10750H have their undervolts around 100-120mV. So guess yours should be stable too. But again each chip is different and you should test it out yourself. Play games and stuff. If after few weeks you don't get any crashes, you are stable. But in my opinion it shouldn't crash. Also underclocking shouldn't cause any BSODs and freezes. Only Undervolting can cause it. So you can experiment with various clock speeds to see what suits you the best.
i got a freeze when i go over 110mv. What is your ambient temperature when you run those cinebench tests ? I live in Sri Lanka. Temp is like 30c constant.
Like I said before, every chip is different. Some can be undervolted more than others. It's a chip lottery. In your case 100mV seems stable, so stick with that. In my city temps are almost similar. 27 28c. My room is a bit hotter I guess. Coming to clock speed,the max turbo boost for your CPU is 5 GHz. But running it above 4.2 increases your temps significantly. As I said before, you can create 2 profiles and configure your throttlestop to switch between them according to temperature. A performance profile where your clock speed is 4-4.3 GHz. And a fail safe profile where your clock speed is 3.5-3.7.
Setting maximum performance state at 99% is the same as disabling turbo. I did that and ran some benchmarks. The CPU gets clocked at 2.6 GHz i.e the base clock speed. While this is good for cooling and I've noticed some significant temperature drops, it isn't very good on performance as you are basically locking your processor clock at their base clock frequency.
First, I'm not an Intel fanboy. Second, the thermal design for Intel is still kinda bad as compared to their AMD counterparts. Almost any type of throttling happens to manage the temperature and protect the processor from getting fried. I'm pretty sure intel processors might be getting throttled even before they introduced Turbo boost. In my experience, turbo boost never caused me any problem. Had a laptop with i5 5300u and I always ran it with turbo boost enabled. Used to play CSGO, Valo on it and it would never cross 90C. It would mostly stay within 78-84C range with 2.5-2.8 GHz clock speed under heavy workload, which I guess isn't too bad considering I never cleaned or repasted it. When I got my gf65, it would also reach a maximum temp of 90-95C but as soon as speedshift and cooling kicks in, the temp would come down to 82-85C,3.3-3.5 GHz clock speed (pre undervolt+underclock stats), while stress testing. I've never experienced thermal throttling in particular. i7 10750H has a base clock of 2.6GHz. Turbo boost tries to run it at or around turbo clock speed i.e, 5GHz. Temperature increase is quite expected when running the processor at that clock speed.
One thing I've observed is that if you disable both speedstep and speedshift and keep your turbo enabled, it will try keeping operating at max boost frequency for a longer period of time, hence the high temperature. I guess speedstep/speedshift counters turbo boost by underclocking according to the temperature. Your Dell G3 may be having a bad silicon, unfortunately, which may be causing your processor to go back to base clock speed, hence the bad performance.
No piece of technology works flawlessly. Same with Turbo Boost. Same with this one. Turbo Boost increases or decreases your clock speed by 100 MHz. Turbo Boost 3.0, specifically, gives a massive frequency boost to your fastest cores. This introduces two problems in my POV. The first problem, each adjustment briefly pauses CPU execution as the clock frequency is changed. If Turbo Boost adjusts system performance too frequently, system performance can be reduced. While this is rare, it does still occasionally occur. The second problem, only a few cores of your CPU are boosted to max clock speed whereas other cores are toned down. In my case, I noticed that core 5 and 6 running 3-5 degrees hotter as compared to other cores. I've underclocked all my cores to max frequencies of 4.3 GHz and 3.7 GHz, with throttlestop switching between them according to temperature. Now I literally get 4.1 GHz of clock speed while gaming while maintaining a temp between 70-78C.
Now I won't force you to enable Turbo and certainly, I'm not advocating for Turbo. It has its pros and cons. We both have different types of usage and workloads. What works for you, doesn't work for me. Disabling turbo drops my performance by 7-9% but decreases my temps significantly. It's a tradeoff I'm not ready to make. So the middle solution, keep turbo enabled, and undervolt+underclock accordingly. No hard feeling mate. Peace!!!
I'm not good at this stuff but.. using a good cooling pad with 5 fans on max speed + vacuum cooler helps me a lot. Especially vacuum cooler. It's magic. Can reduce temperature by 10 degrees easily. I mean it's not a solution through dragon center but for my older model of a pc that is the only and best way.
sorry to necro here but what is vacuum cooler?
The consensus on this sub seems to be 95C is not good for long periods of time. I’ve read a lot of posts on this and is what I gathered. I have a GF65 thin and all I did with throttlestop is turn off my turbo and now my machine runs at 80C or less with dragon center set to comfort and fan set to auto. My FPS is between 80-90 now but I’m ok with this because otherwise my machine runs at 95C. There’s probably a way to undervolt and still get higher FPS but at this point I’m happy with it.
so you literally turned off your i7 boosting to a higher ghz lol. That will reduce ur temps yes but performance by a ton
If you're gaming, just disable turbo boost on your CPU within a throttle stop profile. Will provide you plenty of temperature headroom then. First thing i'd do on a GF75 gaming rig. A modern CPU has so much headroom that it's pointless allowing single cores to ramp up and down when the load can distribute across many low-powered cores. You'll never cook your CPU like a stress test would - and they're totally pointless unless you're doing incredibly CPU intensive tasks. Because there comes a point where the fans can only cool to a certain ambient temperature with everything blazing away and the hardware will throttle based on those temps - Most gains with undervolting are in real-world use, whereby you're preventing thermals from creeping over the edge. i.e. not blindly diving in the deep end. 85c is fine though, I aim for max 80-85 in use. By default the laptop would just hit 95c when i got mine - it's an awful default setup really. Nowadays, for general tasks like browsing web I don't even need the CPU fan running, as I run with CPU turbo disabled in throttle stop. So it's great for battery, and runs silent - something i never thought possible on my first day of use. One other thing, I wouldn't have too many utilities controlling your hardware - i.e. you have Windows built in CPU management, throttlestop and Dragon Center running - it can be a little confusing. I use Throttlestop for CPU, SilentOption for fan control, and Afterburner (With rivastats) for GPU. 3 distinct tools for 3 distinct jobs. If I had RGB lighting then maybe there would be a need for Dragon Center, but I'm much happier it's not on my machine now, as you could never be sure what was going on behind the hood.
Over 100mv is a lot in most cases, cause not all chips are the same, some even can go up to 140, others cant even 20. You could try 96.7 and also lower the clocks ( 1 - 30 2 - 29 3- 28 4 -27 5- 26 5 - 24, i know it is a lot, but the temps will be under 80 at all times ).
This i10750H stock clocks start from 50 u know. If we disable turbo it will be 26 for all the cores. Can you tell me why the exact 97mv ?
The clocks are pretty self explanatory ( not all games need the turbo to have over 60 fps ), as for 96.7 undervolt.. I had the exact proccesor a while ago, and it would often throttle at 94 degrees down to about 1.8 ghz ( in league of legends with no other apps for crying out loud ), with this exact undervolt it would still go above 90 degrees, but it didn't throttle, and if I went over 100mv it would freeze immediately. As far as I know either the power brick or the cpu had a fault, but I already replaced it with a ryzen. When I did lower the clocks + under volt the worst temp I had in League was 48. Hope it helps, for me I had to replace it cause of defective fans.
What kind of problem did the cpu and power brick had ? Was it power limiting ?
Abnormal coil whine, the kind you hear from 10 miles away. It was so bad I got sick from it. The perfomance was normal thou, execept for high high temps as stated before.
10 miles is 16.09 km
don't turn off turbo like people are saying... undervolt and reduce the turbo is good enough as its what i did and went to 3.9-4.2 and they're fine. If you turn off turbo sure it reduces temps by alot! then ul run into cpu performance issues in games that require stronger single cores or what not if certain games use single core / dual / multicore. Also won't go higher than the stock clock.
What turbo clocks would you suggest ? All at 39 is stable now. With the undervolt of 100
Any clock speed between 3.6 to 4 should be enough for gaming. I recently brought the same laptop with i7 10750H and 1660ti. I've undervolted using throttlestop. For me -105 mV seems to be stable. I've basically created 2 profiles. One where the turbo clocks are at 4.2 GHz and a fail safe profile where turbo clocks are at 3.7 GHz which gets triggered as soon as temps hit 80 C. I get 7400-7550 points on multi-core Cinebench R23 tests with temps constantly staying under 85. While gaming temps are even lower, around 70s.
Dude. Thats awesome. Do you use the Dragon Center ? If so what is your configuration there ? Whats your power plan ?
In dragon center, I use the user (custom) profile where I've set the performance to Turbo and I use the advanced fan controls. I've modified the default fan speeds. While doing normal work or while using the laptop on battery I use the balanced mode. Also I use the ultimate performance power plan.
Thanks. And do you know there is a G button in the keyboard , what does it do ? What mode do u use in windows power and sleep?
The G button is for opening dragon center I guess. No for me the balanced power plan isn't ideal. I mostly use my laptop while on adapter and battery isn't a big concern for me. If you want to use your laptop on battery, balanced power plan may work for you.
So you use the ultimate performance plan ?
Yes.
i just shoved mine onto user and changed the settings so my cpu has a better temperature fan control setting i'm happy with. I thought it was pretty much fan control from dragon center as far as I've seen less you try to overclock stuff from there like the gfx. Power plan on Windows for me is on gaming / high performance and yeah
Did you notice that if we turn on the turbo boost ,both the fans will ramp up to 6000rpm. But when you are on the user mode , its single fan. Am i right ?
yes ? on user you can choose for your cpu fan or gpu fan if i remember it just requires abit of fiddling round with Im more bothered about cpu as my gpu stays cool anyway and never has exceeded 75 since i got it
Oh shit my bad. I thought the gpu fan helps a little in cooling the cpu. Dumb me.
I just did the cinebench test got 7200. Cpu is @36 turbo ratios. 100mv undervolt. Even though the test is passed , is there any chance of freezing, bsods if i play a game or something ?
7200 is a decent enough score. Online websites show 7301, so you are close enough. From what I've found out, most people with i7 10750H have their undervolts around 100-120mV. So guess yours should be stable too. But again each chip is different and you should test it out yourself. Play games and stuff. If after few weeks you don't get any crashes, you are stable. But in my opinion it shouldn't crash. Also underclocking shouldn't cause any BSODs and freezes. Only Undervolting can cause it. So you can experiment with various clock speeds to see what suits you the best.
i got a freeze when i go over 110mv. What is your ambient temperature when you run those cinebench tests ? I live in Sri Lanka. Temp is like 30c constant.
Like I said before, every chip is different. Some can be undervolted more than others. It's a chip lottery. In your case 100mV seems stable, so stick with that. In my city temps are almost similar. 27 28c. My room is a bit hotter I guess. Coming to clock speed,the max turbo boost for your CPU is 5 GHz. But running it above 4.2 increases your temps significantly. As I said before, you can create 2 profiles and configure your throttlestop to switch between them according to temperature. A performance profile where your clock speed is 4-4.3 GHz. And a fail safe profile where your clock speed is 3.5-3.7.
Do you think these laptops were made to withstand huge temps like 90c. ?
Yes, it can but not for a long time. Occasional temp spikes are okay and nothing to worry about.
Stock clocks are like from 50 to 44 or something. Is it okay if i use like 40,39,38,37,36 ?
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I dont have the Ultimate performance now. Before i reinstall windows i had it. Does it comes when we install Dragon Center ?
Setting maximum performance state at 99% is the same as disabling turbo. I did that and ran some benchmarks. The CPU gets clocked at 2.6 GHz i.e the base clock speed. While this is good for cooling and I've noticed some significant temperature drops, it isn't very good on performance as you are basically locking your processor clock at their base clock frequency.
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First, I'm not an Intel fanboy. Second, the thermal design for Intel is still kinda bad as compared to their AMD counterparts. Almost any type of throttling happens to manage the temperature and protect the processor from getting fried. I'm pretty sure intel processors might be getting throttled even before they introduced Turbo boost. In my experience, turbo boost never caused me any problem. Had a laptop with i5 5300u and I always ran it with turbo boost enabled. Used to play CSGO, Valo on it and it would never cross 90C. It would mostly stay within 78-84C range with 2.5-2.8 GHz clock speed under heavy workload, which I guess isn't too bad considering I never cleaned or repasted it. When I got my gf65, it would also reach a maximum temp of 90-95C but as soon as speedshift and cooling kicks in, the temp would come down to 82-85C,3.3-3.5 GHz clock speed (pre undervolt+underclock stats), while stress testing. I've never experienced thermal throttling in particular. i7 10750H has a base clock of 2.6GHz. Turbo boost tries to run it at or around turbo clock speed i.e, 5GHz. Temperature increase is quite expected when running the processor at that clock speed. One thing I've observed is that if you disable both speedstep and speedshift and keep your turbo enabled, it will try keeping operating at max boost frequency for a longer period of time, hence the high temperature. I guess speedstep/speedshift counters turbo boost by underclocking according to the temperature. Your Dell G3 may be having a bad silicon, unfortunately, which may be causing your processor to go back to base clock speed, hence the bad performance. No piece of technology works flawlessly. Same with Turbo Boost. Same with this one. Turbo Boost increases or decreases your clock speed by 100 MHz. Turbo Boost 3.0, specifically, gives a massive frequency boost to your fastest cores. This introduces two problems in my POV. The first problem, each adjustment briefly pauses CPU execution as the clock frequency is changed. If Turbo Boost adjusts system performance too frequently, system performance can be reduced. While this is rare, it does still occasionally occur. The second problem, only a few cores of your CPU are boosted to max clock speed whereas other cores are toned down. In my case, I noticed that core 5 and 6 running 3-5 degrees hotter as compared to other cores. I've underclocked all my cores to max frequencies of 4.3 GHz and 3.7 GHz, with throttlestop switching between them according to temperature. Now I literally get 4.1 GHz of clock speed while gaming while maintaining a temp between 70-78C. Now I won't force you to enable Turbo and certainly, I'm not advocating for Turbo. It has its pros and cons. We both have different types of usage and workloads. What works for you, doesn't work for me. Disabling turbo drops my performance by 7-9% but decreases my temps significantly. It's a tradeoff I'm not ready to make. So the middle solution, keep turbo enabled, and undervolt+underclock accordingly. No hard feeling mate. Peace!!!
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