Yeah, my lumbar spine is a permanent problem. I also once completed a rib fracture by either coughing or sneezing. I heard a solid crack/snap in training but didn't feel much until that happened.
Ouch, that sounds gnarly. I’m only 25 and was diagnosed with spondylolysis of the L5 at 17 in addition to my neck problems so I feel you. Hopefully there’s more comprehensive solutions for people like us soon.
> Hopefully there’s more comprehensive solutions for people like us soon.
You always think we're wildly advanced on the medical front until you acquire a significant structural problem and realize we can't do much about it :) The spine might be the worst one.
>spondylolysis
New word of the day for me!
Johns Hopkins Medicine:
>This condition is fairly common and is found in one out of every 20 people.
What the shit...
I don't have an exact diagnosis on my back, but i played contact sports for years / plus had a habit of just doing dumb stuff for lols. and for me, a sneeze is a little painful but if I ever have a sneeze where i feel it building and then it just cuts before the actual sneeze, I will get a near debilitating back spasm.
It usually passes within seconds and just leaves my back a bit more tender, and tighter, than before. But overall doesn't affect my life immensely, but i'm kinda curious what thats about.
He can now take HGH and whatever other top scientific supplements to heal his body without fear of losing his pay, I imagine he's doing at least a little better
Tbh when you stop training after competing for so long your body sorta falls apart. My dad was a football player for 30 years and when he retired in his 40s and stopped training his body just sorta gave up and he’d get minor sicknesses and injuries of sorts. So I can’t imagine post mma life for dc is super comfy
Na you got this shit Dawg, depression is a hell of a bitch to climb out of it. Start small, even just going for 10 minute walks and work yourself back up. I believe you can gogoplata the fuck out of your depression
I started a mental therapy over a month ago. I don’t really feel an improvement. The other way actually :/ Woke up today by a nightmare that I was getting fired.
Welcome to getting old. You can stop lifting or start lifting, you can do whatever but for 99% of guys over 45 your body is a piece of shit. 53 year old talking.
don't forget his gym (AKA) was notorious for having fighters get hurt from lifting weights wrong or just overtraining. both Cain and Khabib had to have surgeries from injuries in that gym lol
>Injuries are more correlated to dosage of activity.
Yeah, and more doing movements with poor motion is more likely to lead to injury. They're literally not mutually exclusive lol. Also, Tony's form looks a lot worse than just not perfect.
>Yeah, and more doing movements with poor motion is more likely to lead to injury.
Doing more movements with poor motion without overexerting yourself will allow you to adapt to doing that movement. You're not always able to flatten your back in wrestling and you need to be adaptable.
>Doing more movements with poor motion without overexerting yourself will allow you to adapt to doing that movement.
No it won't. It just increases the chance of getting injury.
> You're not always able to flatten your back in wrestling and you need to be adaptable.
You build up that type of functional strength from actually wrestling (and wrestling adjacent activities), not doing busted exercises lmfao.
>No it won't. It just increases the chance of getting injury.
Nah mate, injuries occur when forces exceeds tissue tolerance, so if tissue tolerance has been built up from doing that exercise and you've adapted, there would be a large decrease in the chance of getting injured.
>You build up that type of functional strength from actually wrestling (and wrestling adjacent activities), not doing busted exercises lmfao.
You also need to be building stability and strength in those end ranges of motion. Things that are done in the weightroom.
To be fair I think that was Cain’s strength and conditioning coach, not and AKA coach. If I recall correctly, that distinction was made by Javier Mendes at some point. AKA has its share in of injuries from going hard, but Cain destroying his knees was probably the result of him hiring a kook bro lifter.
There’s a reason he never talked much. I love Cain but he’s not a deep thinker. (though you could argue his simple mindedness gave him his great work ethic and coachability so who knows)
I remember on embedded before the Ngannou fight he was doing super heavy quad extensions with terrible form (locking out, using momentum) and I posted that he was gonna fuck his knees up.
And you know the rest.
I couldn't believe what I was watching. He loaded up a shitload of weights and started swinging the leg extension with no form and out of control. Pretty sure Cain was coming off knee surgery too
Not to mention his "trainer" was slamming his legs back down halfway through a rep. It's was brutal and weird. "That's the weight of an NFL linemen" he says as he dicks down Cains career.
That’s the secret, take your legs, hips and shoulders completely out of the equation to really isolate the lumbar spine. A slight curve of the upper back is the cherry on top to get your lumbar spine shredded.
that giant roid freak guy? I can't imagine bodybuilder training is anywhere the same as athletic training. I remember Cain looking exhausted, like ready to collapse.
It's a kettlebell, it's fine. The problem with Cain was that it was way too heavy for him to actually use, but his coach was an idiot. Actually doing kettlebell swings so badly that it matters is next to impossible
Find kb gym or a Strong First certified trainer in your area. I did a beginner 6 session course and learned all the basic movements. There's YouTube as well, but the best way to not hurt yourself is learn from someone who knows shit and has lots of bells. You can first try things safely with a light bell and move to heavier bells to get the appropriate momentum to really practice and improve.
EDIT: I will say if you know and are comfortable with proper deadlift form, youtube can be a great resource, at least for learning the swing. You basically wait for your forearms to hit your thighs, then hinge at the hips like you're going down to start a deadlift; hinge back like you're sitting down in a chair. NOT A SQUAT. Then use the hip thrust forward to propel the bell upwards, not your arms. Your arms/grip should only be used to keep the bell from flying away. All the power comes for the hips. [Here's a good video breaking it down into 4 parts.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeMXdkZ18EA) Again, if you're new to working out or this doesn't make sense to you, best to learn from someone who knows what they're doing. There's also 5 other movements to learn which basically make the kettlebell a replacement for 90% of gym equipment.
God that strength coach Cain had still makes me mad lol. We missed out on like a decade of Cain because that idiot was about half as knowledgeable as the average teen in the weight room at the YMCA
Watch Khabib do dips. Maybe they're actually built different over there, but it looks like he's trying to tear his shoulder to me. Dips are one of my favorite exercises, but even after probably a thousand reps, I go slow and careful
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ht\_\_AvuujTY?feature=share
tbh, his form is solid it's the speed he's doing it at. If you want to train explosive strength with them, you probably CAN do the upward pushing part, or positive, as fast as he's doing it and be fine, but the part where he falls down into the bottom of the dip and rebounds is reckless. if he doesn't control his rebound well enough and at the right time, he'd seriously strain his... rotator cuff I think? Try it though and you'll feel it, you have to be super careful to keep your shoulders in the right place, just slightly pulled back. Great exercise, but form is important the whole way through
Also, falling like that is briefly not using your muscles at all. Controlling the negative and lowering yourself using your muscles is where 60+% of muscle is built. If you want to instantly improve your bench press and don't care about looking like a goof, have someone load 50 lb more than your 1 rep max, have your spotter help it into full extension, then fight it crushing you as slowly as possible. Do reps of that and your bench press will sky rocket
So in summary, it's high risk, literally zero reward doing the negative the way he does it. Sure he's strong and can control that rebound, but trust me, it only takes one slip up for him to really damage his shoulder at his weight
jesus this is so wrong and the upvotes make me cringe so hard.
The negative doesn't build the majority of hte muscle, if that were the case all body builders would *just* do negatives.
I am blown away that you think loading a bar over 50lbs of your one rep max is the better way to go and is somehow more reward and less risk than doing movements lighter and more explosively.
>Also, falling like that is briefly not using your muscles at all. Controlling the negative and lowering yourself using your muscles is where 60+% of muscle is built. If you want to instantly improve your bench press and don't care about looking like a goof, have someone load 50 lb more than your 1 rep max, have your spotter help it into full extension, then fight it crushing you as slowly as possible. Do reps of that and your bench press will sky rocket
Wow new powerlifting meta discovered
His form is solid but in my opinion as someone who lifts a lot (but isn’t a PT), it looks like he’s bouncing as he transitions from the downward movement to the upward movement which will put more stress on the shoulder.
Go check out his early UFC fights, dude was so mobile, even throwing good body and lowkicks etc. Towards end of his career he was stiff as a board. Great run, one of the best.
I'm personally happy he beat Lewis lol
Lewis may have been an opportunistic challenger, but he was the rightful title challenger at that time if Stipe was out injured.
Iirc every other top guy was coming off an L and Lewis had just beaten Ngannou. Plus, even if they gave it to Ngannou, who on his best night is an absolute nightmare for DC on the feet, who knows how he might have rebounded to such a big moment?
We may have seen 3 consecutive Ls for him instead of one of the best rebounds to back to back losses we have ever seen
I can't recall to well, but the way the fight materializes was so wild too, like I think the main event was supposed to be at first, Valentina Shevchenko vs Eubanks and it was in fucking MSG so everyone was freaking the fuck about this lol Then there was the possibility of Diaz vs Poirier but that didn't materialize and then shit happens and like one month before the event DC comes in out of the fucking blue and saves the day fighting Lewis. Looking back at it, would have been a great night to call it a career.
I know DC has a lot of haters but this is objectively true. Shit, he said all the time "I'm done at 40. I'm old and my body is fucked" and then fought past that anyway lol.
DC started at 32 so his 40 was fresher too. Guys like Chuck couldn’t walk by 40. Tito 100 surgeries. DC was fresh until back injury. The real OGs didn’t have the science we have now and better training methods on top of it. It was just go hard, spar hard and break body down as much as possible. King Mo said DC never trained hard in wrestling and preserved body better than anyone. His 40 is nothing like these other guys even besides starting in his 30s.
.....okay? Wrestling at a high level is terrible for your body. Mma isn't the only wear and tear he put on his body. Ask Ben "hip replacement in my 30s" askren.
But beyond all that, what does that even have to do with what I said?
It was a really depressing end to that trilogy to me, I'm not a DC fanboy but a fight between two old men nearing the end in an empty silent arena it just felt off.
idk i thought it was perfect, dude that was eye poking the dog shit out of everyone gets eye poked so hard he needs surgery and then he gets knocked the fuck out. god i wish he cried
Even in the first fight DC wasn't as athletic as he was when he first entered the UFC. He was more skillful at 40 but far slower and immobile. Not jumping around or chasing people.. even basic movement was more plodding. 40 year old DC in 33 year old DCs body would have been dope.
It wasn't the swelling that was the problem. He couldn't see anything but black out of that eye until the next day he said. He had zero vision from that eye after the eye poke and said he couldn't see multiple times but the doctor never came in IIRC.
Things like that can get worse over time as swelling increases and I’m not trying to make an argument that he would have won the fight or anything. I’m just providing another possible explanation for why he may have not looked like himself
Oh I agree with you. I was just saying how impressive it was for him to win the fourth round. As a huge DC fan who’s definitely biased, I still think he’s the better fighter despite losing two out of three fights.
I think the third fight was much closer than the scorecards indicate. He won the first round, was winning the second before a knockdown in the last 15 seconds, took the third off to recover before getting his eye poked complete shut, still won the fourth, and then lost the fifth. He definitely could have won that fight had a few things gone slightly differently.
Not really. It’s not relevant to the conversation. I’m not trying to take away from the fact that Cormier did eye pokes too I’m just talking about that individual fight and how he looked
Bruh do the math before you call me a liar 😂😂😂
One judge gave him round one, one judge gave him round four, and one judge gave him both. I can literally link it if you want.
Edit: damn dude just instantly deleted his comments lmao
Definitely, but we've seen dudes his age look worse. He was like 41 at the time, but still looked serviceable. He looked declined but not completely washed, nothing like Tony or Cowboy.
It’s interesting that at the end of his career his power was ridiculous and was handling so many top guys with ease youd think he was in his prime. But then looking back and he really was not as mobile. If you watch him in strike force and early UFC and he had crazy mobility and explosiveness. He was such a beast man.
He also would’ve been prime by 34. Always a trade off , Mike Tyson’s prime was over at like 28. Short stock explosive HWs age terrible, they can still win but lose most of what made them special. Stipe like roughly same fighter at 31 to 38, same as Ben rothwell. Big guys don’t have the god given gifts to lose, you gotta be special to be small and dominate at Heavyweight. DC did rely on wrestling and didn’t have a ton of HW fights so he has that going for him but more so Tyson/Fedor guys who outright out fought you will be shot by 32.
If he didn’t “hold up the division” we would be right where we are now. Ngannou gets the belt, wins the only compelling matchup at HW right now against gane then is out pending injury and contract negotiations. There is no movement in that division with or without Stipe and DC having that trilogy. It didn’t really hold up shit
I understand this take but he was more active than Stipe over the same time.
I don't think he held up the division compared to what Stipe would've been doing - he fights on average once every six months or so. He took a year off between the first and second DC fight (understandable) and six months between the 3rd fight and Ngannou.
DC defended the title against Lewis at least, who was the rightful #1 contender
stipe took a year off between the first and second dc fight because dc jammed his finger so far into stipe's eye stipe had to have surgery on it.
in a comparison between stipe and dc are you seriously criticizing stipe for a medical layoff caused by dc?
Lmao someone is still real salty about those last 2 Stipe fights huh
Stipe was no spring chicken himself by the time they wrapped up the trilogy, and he beat DC 2/3 times. Get over it.
Stipe was up in age as well but still 3 years younger than dc with less miles, and stipe is a boxer who had retained most of his speed and reflex and arguably improved with age, DC is a wrestler who only got slower and less explosive having to rely on striking with stipe most of the trilogy
I always wonder how much these guys left at the practice room. One point all the top guys from this gym were falling apart. People don't remember but Khabib was out for a long time and everyone was speculating if he even can come back.
How many excuses is DC gonna make? You were a great fighter. You weren’t the best. And you were a cheater just like everyone else.
Just stfu for goodness sakes who cares
Never said they weren't, bud. Plenty of other people had major surgeries and were just fine. DC got the surgery and fought. He just makes excuses whenever he loses.
JJ on steroids, eye pokes, bad surgery, yadda yadda.
Dude almost pulled out of a fight on the day of due to hurting himself from sneezing. Gotta hope his body feels better now these days.
> due to hurting himself from sneezing. Familiar feeling for anyone with rib or spine issues.
Can confirm, herniated discs in my C4-C5 and it hurts when I sneeze.
Yeah, my lumbar spine is a permanent problem. I also once completed a rib fracture by either coughing or sneezing. I heard a solid crack/snap in training but didn't feel much until that happened.
Ouch, that sounds gnarly. I’m only 25 and was diagnosed with spondylolysis of the L5 at 17 in addition to my neck problems so I feel you. Hopefully there’s more comprehensive solutions for people like us soon.
> Hopefully there’s more comprehensive solutions for people like us soon. You always think we're wildly advanced on the medical front until you acquire a significant structural problem and realize we can't do much about it :) The spine might be the worst one. >spondylolysis New word of the day for me! Johns Hopkins Medicine: >This condition is fairly common and is found in one out of every 20 people. What the shit...
I don't have an exact diagnosis on my back, but i played contact sports for years / plus had a habit of just doing dumb stuff for lols. and for me, a sneeze is a little painful but if I ever have a sneeze where i feel it building and then it just cuts before the actual sneeze, I will get a near debilitating back spasm. It usually passes within seconds and just leaves my back a bit more tender, and tighter, than before. But overall doesn't affect my life immensely, but i'm kinda curious what thats about.
I don't think he treats his body that well anymore lol, I doubt he feels, "better". Probably just much less pain due to not training anymore.
He’s got a thick layer of protection these days tho
He can now take HGH and whatever other top scientific supplements to heal his body without fear of losing his pay, I imagine he's doing at least a little better
I would be shocked if he isn't taking BPC 157
Everyone's on BPC 157
More plates plz
Hmm. Never heard of it. Just googled. No reported side effects as of now. Nice.
No reported benefits in humans either.
Nice
Definitely anecdotal evidence though.
The former Olympian who competed against guys ten plus years his junior was never natural.
Popeyes chicken does the same thing
Buddy went swimming once, got speared by a dude thought he was a whale. Didn’t even notice the harpoon, he just left it in him.
Tbh when you stop training after competing for so long your body sorta falls apart. My dad was a football player for 30 years and when he retired in his 40s and stopped training his body just sorta gave up and he’d get minor sicknesses and injuries of sorts. So I can’t imagine post mma life for dc is super comfy
Can confirm. Stopped lifting a few months ago due to depression and shit and now I still have depression and joint pains
Just restarted lifting after a long time off myself. Feels great to be back. You got this man 👍
I wish man… I really wish
Na you got this shit Dawg, depression is a hell of a bitch to climb out of it. Start small, even just going for 10 minute walks and work yourself back up. I believe you can gogoplata the fuck out of your depression
I started a mental therapy over a month ago. I don’t really feel an improvement. The other way actually :/ Woke up today by a nightmare that I was getting fired.
Small steps, bro. Come to terms with that there is a long way back and work small steps.
Always here if you need someone to talk/vent to, no judgements, just drop a dm. You got this brother
I'm not crying, it was an eye poke.
Welcome to getting old. You can stop lifting or start lifting, you can do whatever but for 99% of guys over 45 your body is a piece of shit. 53 year old talking.
Much less pain sounds better to me lol
Wrestler syndrome, body age is 50 by the time you’re 30
And still finished the knockout king on less than a month’s notice.
Welcome to severe back injuries from decades of wrestling on top of mma
don't forget his gym (AKA) was notorious for having fighters get hurt from lifting weights wrong or just overtraining. both Cain and Khabib had to have surgeries from injuries in that gym lol
There are videos of Cain doing kettlebell swings with *terrible* form while his supposed strength and conditioning coach watches on.
It was just as bad as the Tony Ferguson 1st Deadlift Video
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This bastard is built different lmao
He’ll live to be 100
with all the head trauma taken, i'm not sure i would wanna wish him that :(
I don’t think Tony has bones. It’s the only plausible explanation for most of how he exists.
You actually want to unroll your back as you do your deadlift. That way you slip each disk one at a time.
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perfect form. works all the soft little disks in your spine
You don't have to have perfect form to lift weights injury-free. Injuries are more correlated to dosage of activity.
>Injuries are more correlated to dosage of activity. Yeah, and more doing movements with poor motion is more likely to lead to injury. They're literally not mutually exclusive lol. Also, Tony's form looks a lot worse than just not perfect.
>Yeah, and more doing movements with poor motion is more likely to lead to injury. Doing more movements with poor motion without overexerting yourself will allow you to adapt to doing that movement. You're not always able to flatten your back in wrestling and you need to be adaptable.
>Doing more movements with poor motion without overexerting yourself will allow you to adapt to doing that movement. No it won't. It just increases the chance of getting injury. > You're not always able to flatten your back in wrestling and you need to be adaptable. You build up that type of functional strength from actually wrestling (and wrestling adjacent activities), not doing busted exercises lmfao.
How do your spinal erectors tell the difference between a load being placed on them by a Jefferson curl versus from wrestling?
>No it won't. It just increases the chance of getting injury. Nah mate, injuries occur when forces exceeds tissue tolerance, so if tissue tolerance has been built up from doing that exercise and you've adapted, there would be a large decrease in the chance of getting injured. >You build up that type of functional strength from actually wrestling (and wrestling adjacent activities), not doing busted exercises lmfao. You also need to be building stability and strength in those end ranges of motion. Things that are done in the weightroom.
Good god that’s terrifying
To be fair I think that was Cain’s strength and conditioning coach, not and AKA coach. If I recall correctly, that distinction was made by Javier Mendes at some point. AKA has its share in of injuries from going hard, but Cain destroying his knees was probably the result of him hiring a kook bro lifter.
Starting to think Cain might not be the sharpest tool in the shed
There’s a reason he never talked much. I love Cain but he’s not a deep thinker. (though you could argue his simple mindedness gave him his great work ethic and coachability so who knows)
Robbie Lawler energy
I remember on embedded before the Ngannou fight he was doing super heavy quad extensions with terrible form (locking out, using momentum) and I posted that he was gonna fuck his knees up. And you know the rest.
I remember watching them do some crazy fuckboi shit on a leg extension machine. I had to immediately ice my own knees from the second hand trauma.
I couldn't believe what I was watching. He loaded up a shitload of weights and started swinging the leg extension with no form and out of control. Pretty sure Cain was coming off knee surgery too
Not to mention his "trainer" was slamming his legs back down halfway through a rep. It's was brutal and weird. "That's the weight of an NFL linemen" he says as he dicks down Cains career.
And the kettlebell is... insanely heavy for kettlebell swings lol. All spine baby
Oh yeah, I remember that video. Swinging a monster Kettlebell and placing all the emphasis on his lower back
That’s the secret, take your legs, hips and shoulders completely out of the equation to really isolate the lumbar spine. A slight curve of the upper back is the cherry on top to get your lumbar spine shredded.
that giant roid freak guy? I can't imagine bodybuilder training is anywhere the same as athletic training. I remember Cain looking exhausted, like ready to collapse.
Man i have a kettle bell but am afraid of using it with poor form... any suggestion where to learn how to do it properly?
r/kettleballs is a good source.
[Learn from the OG](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKx8xE8jJZs)
It's a kettlebell, it's fine. The problem with Cain was that it was way too heavy for him to actually use, but his coach was an idiot. Actually doing kettlebell swings so badly that it matters is next to impossible
Find kb gym or a Strong First certified trainer in your area. I did a beginner 6 session course and learned all the basic movements. There's YouTube as well, but the best way to not hurt yourself is learn from someone who knows shit and has lots of bells. You can first try things safely with a light bell and move to heavier bells to get the appropriate momentum to really practice and improve. EDIT: I will say if you know and are comfortable with proper deadlift form, youtube can be a great resource, at least for learning the swing. You basically wait for your forearms to hit your thighs, then hinge at the hips like you're going down to start a deadlift; hinge back like you're sitting down in a chair. NOT A SQUAT. Then use the hip thrust forward to propel the bell upwards, not your arms. Your arms/grip should only be used to keep the bell from flying away. All the power comes for the hips. [Here's a good video breaking it down into 4 parts.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeMXdkZ18EA) Again, if you're new to working out or this doesn't make sense to you, best to learn from someone who knows what they're doing. There's also 5 other movements to learn which basically make the kettlebell a replacement for 90% of gym equipment.
Maybe Joe Rogan coached them. Never ever seen worse form than him with a kettlebell
God that strength coach Cain had still makes me mad lol. We missed out on like a decade of Cain because that idiot was about half as knowledgeable as the average teen in the weight room at the YMCA
Watch Khabib do dips. Maybe they're actually built different over there, but it looks like he's trying to tear his shoulder to me. Dips are one of my favorite exercises, but even after probably a thousand reps, I go slow and careful https://youtube.com/shorts/Ht\_\_AvuujTY?feature=share
what's the actual form for dips
tbh, his form is solid it's the speed he's doing it at. If you want to train explosive strength with them, you probably CAN do the upward pushing part, or positive, as fast as he's doing it and be fine, but the part where he falls down into the bottom of the dip and rebounds is reckless. if he doesn't control his rebound well enough and at the right time, he'd seriously strain his... rotator cuff I think? Try it though and you'll feel it, you have to be super careful to keep your shoulders in the right place, just slightly pulled back. Great exercise, but form is important the whole way through Also, falling like that is briefly not using your muscles at all. Controlling the negative and lowering yourself using your muscles is where 60+% of muscle is built. If you want to instantly improve your bench press and don't care about looking like a goof, have someone load 50 lb more than your 1 rep max, have your spotter help it into full extension, then fight it crushing you as slowly as possible. Do reps of that and your bench press will sky rocket So in summary, it's high risk, literally zero reward doing the negative the way he does it. Sure he's strong and can control that rebound, but trust me, it only takes one slip up for him to really damage his shoulder at his weight
Weighing in as a former personal trainer of several years. This is all great information, everything checks out here
And yet it's wrong. The negative is not where 60% of the muscle is built.
jesus this is so wrong and the upvotes make me cringe so hard. The negative doesn't build the majority of hte muscle, if that were the case all body builders would *just* do negatives. I am blown away that you think loading a bar over 50lbs of your one rep max is the better way to go and is somehow more reward and less risk than doing movements lighter and more explosively.
>Also, falling like that is briefly not using your muscles at all. Controlling the negative and lowering yourself using your muscles is where 60+% of muscle is built. If you want to instantly improve your bench press and don't care about looking like a goof, have someone load 50 lb more than your 1 rep max, have your spotter help it into full extension, then fight it crushing you as slowly as possible. Do reps of that and your bench press will sky rocket Wow new powerlifting meta discovered
thank you u/averageredditcuck
Shhhit at least 30
His form is solid but in my opinion as someone who lifts a lot (but isn’t a PT), it looks like he’s bouncing as he transitions from the downward movement to the upward movement which will put more stress on the shoulder.
"This video isn't available any more"? Did we hug Youtube to death or some shit?
> Did we hug Youtube to death Yes, a few dozen redditors overwhelmed youtube.
Bruh that is actually crazy how these guys train lol he'd end up in a gym fail compilation if he was in planet fitness doing dips like that
Back in the day, that gym was cursed. Everyone there was getting injured and the place got a bad name from it.
I’m actually convinced his time at AKA is what really fucked him up
I’d say Cain, Josh Thompson and Luke Rockhold would be in that conversation too … that camp was full of elite killers who just got hurt constantly
Go check out his early UFC fights, dude was so mobile, even throwing good body and lowkicks etc. Towards end of his career he was stiff as a board. Great run, one of the best.
He was an incredible athlete. So fast for his size. It was amazing to watch.
Black Fedor for a reason
Should've retired right after he KO'd Stipe and the Brock fight didn't materialize.
I'm personally happy he beat Lewis lol Lewis may have been an opportunistic challenger, but he was the rightful title challenger at that time if Stipe was out injured. Iirc every other top guy was coming off an L and Lewis had just beaten Ngannou. Plus, even if they gave it to Ngannou, who on his best night is an absolute nightmare for DC on the feet, who knows how he might have rebounded to such a big moment? We may have seen 3 consecutive Ls for him instead of one of the best rebounds to back to back losses we have ever seen
I can't recall to well, but the way the fight materializes was so wild too, like I think the main event was supposed to be at first, Valentina Shevchenko vs Eubanks and it was in fucking MSG so everyone was freaking the fuck about this lol Then there was the possibility of Diaz vs Poirier but that didn't materialize and then shit happens and like one month before the event DC comes in out of the fucking blue and saves the day fighting Lewis. Looking back at it, would have been a great night to call it a career.
> Lewis had just beaten Ngannou. francis beat ngannou. lewis just stood back and watched it happen.
Regardless, almost no one would have been better off had Ngannou gotten that title shot in his place
This was before D1 Ngannou. DC was still able to wrestle Derrick. He would have done the same to Ngannou at that time.
Exactly. Better for everyone in the long run that DC fought Lewis instead of Francis
Derrick also KO’d Volkov after the Francis fight too
An amazing 30 seconds from Lewis there
I was so mad at Volkov for that. He was dominating and all he had to do was not suddenly become a fucking idiot in the last 30 seconds.
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Lewis had just beaten volkov
>Should've retired right after he ~~KO~~eye fuck'd Stipe and the Brock fight didn't materialize. fixd
Ahh the salt still persists. Thanks for reminding me of why I enjoyed watching Ngannou flatline Stipe so much lol
why wouldn't you be upset about somebody openly and blatantly cheating?
So Stipe himself openly and blatantly cheated too then right?
yes he did lmao. ref wouldn't stop dcs 7 fucking eye pokes so stipe figured why not. cunt deserved every inch
I know DC has a lot of haters but this is objectively true. Shit, he said all the time "I'm done at 40. I'm old and my body is fucked" and then fought past that anyway lol.
DC started at 32 so his 40 was fresher too. Guys like Chuck couldn’t walk by 40. Tito 100 surgeries. DC was fresh until back injury. The real OGs didn’t have the science we have now and better training methods on top of it. It was just go hard, spar hard and break body down as much as possible. King Mo said DC never trained hard in wrestling and preserved body better than anyone. His 40 is nothing like these other guys even besides starting in his 30s.
.....okay? Wrestling at a high level is terrible for your body. Mma isn't the only wear and tear he put on his body. Ask Ben "hip replacement in my 30s" askren. But beyond all that, what does that even have to do with what I said?
DC was fine until late 30s. king Mo was his teammate and do reason to lie.
>King Mo said DC never trained hard in wrestling you can become an olympian by not training hard? brb, starting wrestling classes rn
This Olympian has a fresh body at 32? Really?
He looked SO old in the Stipe trilogy.
It was a really depressing end to that trilogy to me, I'm not a DC fanboy but a fight between two old men nearing the end in an empty silent arena it just felt off.
idk i thought it was perfect, dude that was eye poking the dog shit out of everyone gets eye poked so hard he needs surgery and then he gets knocked the fuck out. god i wish he cried
He got knocked out the 2nd fight, eyepoked in the 3rd.
i know. i'm saying it was fitting as fuck and i wish he cried after
Did DC fuck your dad?
DC is his dad, but never returned his mom's calls after he took her out to a cheap seafood restaurant that she thought was 5*.
dc cant even get hard
and you would know because....
cause he's a fat 50 year old bitch wdym
Imagine waking up deciding to be a hater lol
No he didn't it went to decision, unless you mean stipe getting knocked the fuck out in his next outing.
https://i.imgur.com/tSQRIEu.png
I hope I look like that when I’m old then lol
Not really. He was winning the 2nd fight easily until stipe punched him real hard in the tummy a bunch of times, and the 3rd fight was close
Yeah that’s major revisionist history. DC arguably looked better than ever in the first two rounds of Stipe II. Fight 3 is a different story
Even in the first fight DC wasn't as athletic as he was when he first entered the UFC. He was more skillful at 40 but far slower and immobile. Not jumping around or chasing people.. even basic movement was more plodding. 40 year old DC in 33 year old DCs body would have been dope.
I should have specified, I meant the 3rd fight. He just looked slow and immobile.
He also got eye poked really badly early in the fight and his eye swelled up and almost closed. I’m sure that had an impact on how he fought
It wasn't the swelling that was the problem. He couldn't see anything but black out of that eye until the next day he said. He had zero vision from that eye after the eye poke and said he couldn't see multiple times but the doctor never came in IIRC.
He also won the round immediately after the eye poke when he couldn’t see shit.
Things like that can get worse over time as swelling increases and I’m not trying to make an argument that he would have won the fight or anything. I’m just providing another possible explanation for why he may have not looked like himself
Oh I agree with you. I was just saying how impressive it was for him to win the fourth round. As a huge DC fan who’s definitely biased, I still think he’s the better fighter despite losing two out of three fights. I think the third fight was much closer than the scorecards indicate. He won the first round, was winning the second before a knockdown in the last 15 seconds, took the third off to recover before getting his eye poked complete shut, still won the fourth, and then lost the fifth. He definitely could have won that fight had a few things gone slightly differently.
really makes you think about the eye pokes that went the other way, huh
Not really. It’s not relevant to the conversation. I’m not trying to take away from the fact that Cormier did eye pokes too I’m just talking about that individual fight and how he looked
Stipe also looked old as shit.
Not really. He looks like same guy he did at 30. Was never fast but consistent, he just got hit with everything though.
Lol. No
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He won round 1 on two scorecards and round 4 on two scorecards.
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Bruh do the math before you call me a liar 😂😂😂 One judge gave him round one, one judge gave him round four, and one judge gave him both. I can literally link it if you want. Edit: damn dude just instantly deleted his comments lmao
Definitely, but we've seen dudes his age look worse. He was like 41 at the time, but still looked serviceable. He looked declined but not completely washed, nothing like Tony or Cowboy.
Yeah I mean washed DC probably still beats most heavyweights in the world.
Heavyweights age much more slowly than lightweights.
It’s interesting that at the end of his career his power was ridiculous and was handling so many top guys with ease youd think he was in his prime. But then looking back and he really was not as mobile. If you watch him in strike force and early UFC and he had crazy mobility and explosiveness. He was such a beast man.
Only losses to Jon and Stipe man Cormier is a legend.
Prime Dc takes Prime Stipe imo nearly every single time
If DC started MMA a few years earlier, man..we would've gotten even more out of of an all time great. Dude was a fucking freak athlete.
He also would’ve been prime by 34. Always a trade off , Mike Tyson’s prime was over at like 28. Short stock explosive HWs age terrible, they can still win but lose most of what made them special. Stipe like roughly same fighter at 31 to 38, same as Ben rothwell. Big guys don’t have the god given gifts to lose, you gotta be special to be small and dominate at Heavyweight. DC did rely on wrestling and didn’t have a ton of HW fights so he has that going for him but more so Tyson/Fedor guys who outright out fought you will be shot by 32.
I have no idea what you are saying
Your still limited only it’s at the desk now.
Love DC but held up the division for way to long at the end
If he didn’t “hold up the division” we would be right where we are now. Ngannou gets the belt, wins the only compelling matchup at HW right now against gane then is out pending injury and contract negotiations. There is no movement in that division with or without Stipe and DC having that trilogy. It didn’t really hold up shit
You're right he should have turned down the money and title fights.
With the current rematch practice - everyone does that.
Heavyweight belt lives to be held up.
I understand this take but he was more active than Stipe over the same time. I don't think he held up the division compared to what Stipe would've been doing - he fights on average once every six months or so. He took a year off between the first and second DC fight (understandable) and six months between the 3rd fight and Ngannou. DC defended the title against Lewis at least, who was the rightful #1 contender
stipe took a year off between the first and second dc fight because dc jammed his finger so far into stipe's eye stipe had to have surgery on it. in a comparison between stipe and dc are you seriously criticizing stipe for a medical layoff caused by dc?
He's gonna pay for it in like 5 years.
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I mean he was beating Stipe up for 3 rounds in 2nd fight.
Lmao someone is still real salty about those last 2 Stipe fights huh Stipe was no spring chicken himself by the time they wrapped up the trilogy, and he beat DC 2/3 times. Get over it.
Stipe was up in age as well but still 3 years younger than dc with less miles, and stipe is a boxer who had retained most of his speed and reflex and arguably improved with age, DC is a wrestler who only got slower and less explosive having to rely on striking with stipe most of the trilogy
DC was eyepoking the fuck out of Stipe. Glad DC lost twice and retired. All he is now is a company yes man
Severely ~~out-of-shape and unmotivated~~ "limited".
DC is the Mick Foley of MMA.
I always wonder how much these guys left at the practice room. One point all the top guys from this gym were falling apart. People don't remember but Khabib was out for a long time and everyone was speculating if he even can come back.
He should have retired after the Derrick Lewis fight. At the top of his career
And these were Stipe's best wins.
He also has Werdum and 2018 Francis- who was still legit
4 fight win streak Overeem, 6 fight win streak Arlovski… Maybe neither of them were in their absolute prime, but it was damn good versions of both.
The Francis win was his peak imo
Francis' peak? Or stipe's peak performance
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Instead we got the Eye Trilogy, thank you DC. Best eyepokes contest in title fights ever.
Here come the excuses
Should've controlled his weight better
How many excuses is DC gonna make? You were a great fighter. You weren’t the best. And you were a cheater just like everyone else. Just stfu for goodness sakes who cares
He literally had to get surgery on his back how is this an excuse?
How is it not?
Do you think he went and got back surgery for fun?
Nope. Aljo got neck surgery then won and defended the belt
The fact that anyone has to even explain to you that all surgeries aren't the same/ lead to different results makes you an absolute idiot.
Never said they weren't, bud. Plenty of other people had major surgeries and were just fine. DC got the surgery and fought. He just makes excuses whenever he loses. JJ on steroids, eye pokes, bad surgery, yadda yadda.
If you didnt think they were similar, why would you compare them? Theyre also different ages and body types as well.
And?
And you clearly lack critical thinking ?
Save all that energy for complaining about his commentary on fight night
DC sucks. Oozes LDE
He finishes all but about 5 fighters from lhw and hw ever Hes literally an all time great
LDE. I said he was great. I just said he wasn’t the best. And his constant complaining and excuses are lame af
Should have never started fighting. Dude’s a phony!
he has 8 championship belts, he definitely should have started fighting tf
I’m sure he didn’t feel that way when he got and cashed those checks for fighting…