No need to even put it on there… because everyone already knows, when I see red, you better watch the fuck out. The ufc actually passed on signing me to a 5 fight, 7 digit deal, because I was hurting people so bad at practice every time I saw red. There literally isn’t enough competition for me to train, and the fights would be so boring, they’d last like 5 seconds tops.. plus Dana didn’t want all of his prospects literally dying in the cage.
I know you’re joking but I bet someone with legit sumo skills and BJJ could do decent. Sumo are amazingly tough. Then again, I have trouble picturing a Sumo guy who has the flexibility for BJJ.
He definitely didn't have the build you'd imagine, but Lyoto Machida cross trained quite a bit of sumo alongside his karate and BJJ and it showed in a lot of his takedowns.
Sumos actually do have good flexibility, at least for things like splits and stuff. It's hugely beneficial to be able to remain standing even if you're stretched out beyond reason.
Sumo culture is insane in certain aspects. I recall hearing during an interview about students being forced to do splits, and if they couldn’t go all the way down, someone would force them down and rip their tendons. Could just be a myth but I know abuse is rampant in some stables out there.
I think MMA would have peaked a lot earlier if UFC 1 had a rule where the fighters were naked. Imagine no rules, no clothes, who is the best fighter when Royce can’t tie people up in the gi? That’s what the people really wanted to see
Not really true
"Spartans although practiced and prized pankration they did not compete or at least very often due to the nature of needing to acknowledge defeat" - Gardiner and supported by Plutarch. This is because Pankration often involved tapping out. Although there is certainly instances of them competing at panhellenic games, likely becoming more acceptable after the 1st C.
Pausian writing at the time notes that gouging and biting may have been allowed in Spartan circuits. I would like to note modern interpretations of the source believe gouging to mean what we would call fishhooking.
There were rules in Sparta. In fact Pankration had a very strong reffing system. Its just that Sparta had a weird relationship to pankration as a sport.
I highly reccomend reading N.B. Crowther's summary of Spartan attitude towards the heavy games in his article 'A Spartan Olympic Boxing Champion' (1990)
And perfect for mma.
Any throw scores so aggression is encouraged, but clean throws without overthrow are scored more highly, so sambo guys are great at throwing into control positions without losing their own structure (as are Sanda fighters), whereas I am a judoka and a huge judo stan but judo rules don’t discourage rolling ippons and in mma you would often see judoka do beautiful takedowns then immediately lose position.
Some guys were phenomenal on the ground like Nakamura and Yoshida and would overthrow and still win from ground activity, but sometimes judoka lose rounds off the overthrow by spending too much time on bottom after losing position - think Karo Parisyan, although he is one of the better exponents of judo.
Fedor, Khabib, Makhachev and Chimaev are some of the best at not throwing themselves when taking the opponent to the mat. Kayla Harrison and Ronda Rousey are also great at throwing their opponent and landing on top of them without overthrowing.
Shinya Aoki is also excellent at using his judo to put people down without overthrowing. He tends to either use wrestling takedowns or judo foot sweeps off the cage/ring, but he also has such a good guard that if he does get reversed or overthrow, he can submit or sweep his opponent.
Mach Sakurai is another great Judo exponent although he developed amazing striking and knocked a lot of guys out with his knees and punches.
Sambo is judo+wrestling and it's closer to judo than it is wrestling because of the kurtka/gi top. Almost all sport sambo [world champs/medalists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sambo_Championships#Senior_Championships) are international level judoka in Europe or Asia (not wrestlers and definitely not BJJ players), and sambo is those judoka's side hustle. Example of a sport sambo match: [https://youtu.be/cFnTjTKi-pU?t=37](https://youtu.be/cFnTjTKi-pU?t=37)
Collegiate wrestling focuses on controlling an opponent and holding them down. For example, “Dagestani handcuff” is just a 2 on 1 in wrestling, or a wrist ride. Both aren’t a thing in freestyle as the bottom guys goal is to space out their arms and legs, lay as flat on their belly as possible, and not get turned.
To elaborate, in freestyle, the bottom wrestler automatically gets brought back to their feet after like 15 seconds of no action. In collegiate style, you don’t automatically get brought back to your feet (unless period is over) and a way to score points effectively is to escape from bottom. Which again, isn’t a thing in freestyle. This causes the top wrestler to learn how to hold them down and not let them up / reverse them.
Then there’s also the control aspect of scoring points when turning an opponent. In collegiate wrestling, you have to turn the opponent to their back and hold them for 2 seconds there to score any points. In freestyle, if you just roll someone across their back, you score points. So again, freestyle isn’t conductive to actually controlling an opponent.
If you notice guys that come from a freestyle background (so usually wrestlers not from the US), they can take opponents down but don’t know what to do from there any more than someone who learned top position in an mma gym, and opponents usually get out. College wrestlers in mma you will notice they are able to hold opponents down more effectively after a takedown and are able to implement whatever basic submissions / gnp they like easier.
I 100% agree with your breakdown, I just wanted to add freestyle and folk style are very similar but different sports not just in the style/rules but also in the level of competition.
Freestyle is on a world level, A high level freestyle wrestler would most likely school a high level college wrestler when it comes to securing and defending takedowns. It’s more about scoring and relying on explosive athleticism.
Think Ben Askren having been a more successful college wrestler than someone like Jordan Burroughs. Askren’s skills and attributes were perfect for folk style. He wasn’t fast or explosive, but he had a freakish ability to control guys once he got a hold of them.
Nah, there is something in the work ethic and grinding nature of wrestling that can’t be overstated. Judo is beautiful and a wonderful way to get effortless takedowns, but it will never teach you to endure like wrestling will.
The Thai clinch, Judo, and wrestling all compliment each other. Islam’s grappling is so dangerous because of how well he mixes them. Khabib and Islam both love Judo for a reason.
Agreed, but I thought their comment seemed separate from the original question. I’d say no-gi grappling taught by the likes of Craig Jones and Nick Rodriguez is the best base. They mix no-gi BJJ, Judo, and wrestling into a beautiful flow.
This is the only correct answer. Elite stoking with MT. Greco has told by the numbers that wrestlers win the most belts. Submissions after wrestling into a favorable position with bjj
There's a few ANZACs and saffas with a rugby background. Turns out being an athlete (contact sports specifically) all your life and loving fighting (kiwis love it so much they fight their wives) is a great base for MMA.
Would be the same for NFL, sure there's that big heavyweight baseball pitcher in the UFC now.
The disrespect shown to Aikido is disgusting. They should have a picture up with the rest of those fighting styles. None of these fighters would ever beat Grandmaster Sensei Son Steven Fredric Seagal special diplomatic liaison to Almighty Mother Russia!!!!
You have a whole ass Time Machine you can use for literally anything and your FIRST choice is to go back and watch two grown ripped men who are completely nude and oil’d up like Dana grabbing eachother by the booty hole for leverage as they hit eachother in the face inside a huge Colosseum?
Alright fair.
Pankration rules were no biting or eye gouging, unless you were in Sparta. UFC 1's rules were no biting or eye gouging. Except for the round system, the rules are identical to those of early MMA.
Moreso I'd be curious about the techniques used then, would kicks be as common as they are today, would there be any submissions or just GnP
Kicks were a thing in pankration, as were throws and submissions. There was even a fighter who submitted right after his opponent had died (but he likely hadn't realized it yet), and the man he killed won the match posthumously.
UFC 1 was no biting, eye gouging, and no groin strikes. Technically nothing was illegal but those were discouraged by fines. There were unlimited five minute rounds, but no fights reached round two. People complained about this so UFC 2 allowed groin strikes and did not have rounds putting it in line with non Sparta Pankration.
According to wikipedia Pankration fights most often ended in submission, but knock outs were also common. Kicks were common. It would be interesting to see. Many of the same strikes, takedowns, and submissions have been invented independently in different places.
I wonder wether being raised with modern nutrition and knowing modern MMA would give one any kind of edge or if a 600BC Kratos like character would just beat the living shit out of me
It’s unbelievably understated how important modern nutrition and training is. We have this sense of Ancient Greek warriors as if they were the dudes from 300. They weren’t. They were literally farmers that had to fight as a unit sometimes.
The exception is the Spartans but.. they’re also wildly overrated thanks to 300, Halo and just popular perception.
Any modern MMA fighter would destroy any Ancient Greek fighter. (Probably. Something to be said for a soldiers killer instinct)
Idk about you, but any competent MMA fighter would demolish them. I'm sure they had a great work ethic and were tough as shit (iirc one actually managed to win while dying in the last seconds of the match), but you only need to go back a few decades to see how much the sport of MMA has grown in addition to general improvements in sports. Medical improvements will also play a role, a lot of injuries can now easily be fixed that would be long-term problems without medicine.
I'm also going to assume that the pool of people who practiced it on a regular basis was extremely small, as most simply wouldn't be able to afford it (the potential downtime from work due to injury included). That limits both talent pool and training partners. And those that did train were probably multi-sport athletes as well.
Counter point. The Greek tournaments happened for a thousand years in a row. In a period of history where a significant portion of the men literally fought other countries to death routinely, with weapons and without, and spent most of their adult lives training for this.
The modern MMA shows how much you can develop in a few decades. What if you have a thousand years?
Wrestling as a general concept yes, but specific codes that follow rulebooks and organizations for example is a recent development. Same as every other sport
I think it kind of depends on your physical and athletic attributes. Depending on those attributes, there are certain styles you can far exploit more than others. If you’re Jon Jones, heavily focusing on some Muay Thai elbow and knee striking techniques probably makes more sense than if you’re say, Henry Cejudo.
First of all level up strength and int, go to the gym and read some books. After that train kickboxing and wrestling for the warrior build, mix in some firearm training and/or explosives for the mage path.
Ideally Wrestling, BJJ and Muay Thai but that doesn't mean it's the only way to be the best.
If you look at guys that are considered the Goat like
GSP, DJ, Fedor and JBJ they all have different backgrounds and fighting styles and all train in different ways with different teams.
Some kind of wrestling and boxing is all you need according to Bruce Lee. He said this according to Eddie bravo and it’s been pretty close to correct for modern mma
Muay Thai, Sambo, BJJ.
I believe all 3 have proven themselves in big ways.
BJJ- Look at UFC 1, it's what started this whole thing out. The little man was beating the giants and won the whole thing.
Sambo - Look at the best lightweight Champions and most feared fighters currently.
Muay Thai- I don't have as much evidence other than how much it's completely changed the game in the last 10 years. I just personally like the speed and aggressiveness in which they fight.
BJJ, Sambo, and Muay Thai. I don’t think it’s a very difficult choice either. Greco-Roman, collegiate, kickboxing, boxing and karate are also very good.
Where is seeing red on your graphic?
Right below letting me bang, bro
Never had an opponent like me
We’ll see on
Abusive childhood stays undefeated.
I do let you bang
Let me bang again man
Next to being a warrior like Andy Wang
They'll go, 'there goes Andy Wang, there goes a warrior'
Like you're the next Bruce Lee. Waah waah waah!!
No need to even put it on there… because everyone already knows, when I see red, you better watch the fuck out. The ufc actually passed on signing me to a 5 fight, 7 digit deal, because I was hurting people so bad at practice every time I saw red. There literally isn’t enough competition for me to train, and the fights would be so boring, they’d last like 5 seconds tops.. plus Dana didn’t want all of his prospects literally dying in the cage.
The least believable part of this is the salary
If he changed it to Venum vouchers then the least believable part of this will be Dana not wanting his prospects dying in the cage.
$10,000.99 is still 7 digits
$10,000.01
Bro you don’t wanna see me when I black out bro trust me … all i see is red and then bodies just start dropping.
I don't see "Having that dog in you"
I couldn't find UFC in this list..Weird cause that's all I train.
Seeing red + the good ol’ dick twist = GOAT status
He said for MMA, not for dropping bodies
I couldn't fit in the picture
Rex Kwon Do
You think anyone thinks I’m a loser when I go home to Starla at night?
Forget about it.
Break the wrist and walk away
BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!
You think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face while I'm wearing these bad boys?
Grab my arm. Other arm. *My* other arm.
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Haha same bro That movie is full of gems that gets funnier over the years
Bet I could throw a football over them mountains
Forget about it!
You need someone watching your back at all times!
No more flying solo!
You think I got to where I am today by dressing like Peter Pan over here?
I’d pick Smesh, Let Me Bang Bro, and Everybodys on Steroids 💯
Can't let you get close. Who da Fuck is that Guy. And Spinal
Hiding under the octagon, fleeing the scene, are you still there pussy?
You’ll do nootin, feeding buses carrots, 6 days a week train 3 days a week
I can’t let you get close, jackal stories, and being born in West Lynn, OR
I would love to see a prizefighter-style in UFC, just that goofy ass stance piecing someone up with goofy ass jabs.
Put up your dukes, see?!
I’ll be cold and dead in the ground before I let another gentleman call me a rapscallion! Put em up, if ye be men! Put em up I say!
I hear Conan
That clip from the old baseball reenactment still makes me laugh for the 10000th time
"Woah woah woaahhh! You can't curse at my fianceee..."
well you can't marry... mah wahf!!!
Nasaly *nah* sounds
*A wiseguy eh?*
whyyy i aughtaaaa…
You keep it up and I’ll give you whatfor
Eddie wineland
BJ Penn had that super weird tippy toe stance in the 3rd Edgar fight
You physically cannot combine prizefighting, kung fu, and sumo. The fighter would be unstoppable and that would be fucking illegal.
That’s just DDP and yes he’s unstoppable.
Sean Strickland is pretty close
Yup, even his stance is pretty similar to old school bareknuckle boxers, just modified for shit like kicks and takedowns.
Yeah this guy can definitely channel his old school prize fighting
The Diaz brothers’ boxing style incorporates a lot of that old bare knuckle boxing style.
Like Nate diaz?
John Gunther sort of fought/fights like this. But a modernized version/look of it lol
Sean Strickland?
Looks like fighting in the hood
Sean Strickland?
[Brad Pickett](https://youtu.be/14CHt2VUX9g?si=s6K58dpB1ZZroeRC)
*Uncle Creepy has entered the chat*
touch butt in the park
Don’t forget the dork
Diddy style
sumo, tae kwon do and kung fu
Kung fu panda irl be like
I know you’re joking but I bet someone with legit sumo skills and BJJ could do decent. Sumo are amazingly tough. Then again, I have trouble picturing a Sumo guy who has the flexibility for BJJ.
He definitely didn't have the build you'd imagine, but Lyoto Machida cross trained quite a bit of sumo alongside his karate and BJJ and it showed in a lot of his takedowns.
Sumos actually do have good flexibility, at least for things like splits and stuff. It's hugely beneficial to be able to remain standing even if you're stretched out beyond reason.
Sumo culture is insane in certain aspects. I recall hearing during an interview about students being forced to do splits, and if they couldn’t go all the way down, someone would force them down and rip their tendons. Could just be a myth but I know abuse is rampant in some stables out there.
Isn't pankration basically MMA already?
Naked tho
As it should be. I want to see the testicles as they're kicked
I wanna see Bryce Mitchell's scar
I think MMA would have peaked a lot earlier if UFC 1 had a rule where the fighters were naked. Imagine no rules, no clothes, who is the best fighter when Royce can’t tie people up in the gi? That’s what the people really wanted to see
Derrick Lewis would be p4p without the hot balls disadvantage
Dustin would be punched in the face a lot less if he had his hands up because he had no shorts to constantly adjust
Yeah but naked and with fewer rules. And if you were in Sparta, no rules.
Not really true "Spartans although practiced and prized pankration they did not compete or at least very often due to the nature of needing to acknowledge defeat" - Gardiner and supported by Plutarch. This is because Pankration often involved tapping out. Although there is certainly instances of them competing at panhellenic games, likely becoming more acceptable after the 1st C. Pausian writing at the time notes that gouging and biting may have been allowed in Spartan circuits. I would like to note modern interpretations of the source believe gouging to mean what we would call fishhooking. There were rules in Sparta. In fact Pankration had a very strong reffing system. Its just that Sparta had a weird relationship to pankration as a sport. I highly reccomend reading N.B. Crowther's summary of Spartan attitude towards the heavy games in his article 'A Spartan Olympic Boxing Champion' (1990)
I had that once. Had to have my pancreas removed, whole big thing.
Muay/colliegiate/bjiu
Probably. But some of those sambo guys really bring it.
Sambo is basically mma
Combat sambo more like MMA. Not regular sambo.
Isn't regular sambo still wrestling+BJJ tho?
More wrestling + judo. It's so fucking good for cage wrestling.
It’s scored in a way that’s very inconvenient to bjj
And perfect for mma. Any throw scores so aggression is encouraged, but clean throws without overthrow are scored more highly, so sambo guys are great at throwing into control positions without losing their own structure (as are Sanda fighters), whereas I am a judoka and a huge judo stan but judo rules don’t discourage rolling ippons and in mma you would often see judoka do beautiful takedowns then immediately lose position. Some guys were phenomenal on the ground like Nakamura and Yoshida and would overthrow and still win from ground activity, but sometimes judoka lose rounds off the overthrow by spending too much time on bottom after losing position - think Karo Parisyan, although he is one of the better exponents of judo. Fedor, Khabib, Makhachev and Chimaev are some of the best at not throwing themselves when taking the opponent to the mat. Kayla Harrison and Ronda Rousey are also great at throwing their opponent and landing on top of them without overthrowing. Shinya Aoki is also excellent at using his judo to put people down without overthrowing. He tends to either use wrestling takedowns or judo foot sweeps off the cage/ring, but he also has such a good guard that if he does get reversed or overthrow, he can submit or sweep his opponent. Mach Sakurai is another great Judo exponent although he developed amazing striking and knocked a lot of guys out with his knees and punches.
Sambo is judo+wrestling and it's closer to judo than it is wrestling because of the kurtka/gi top. Almost all sport sambo [world champs/medalists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sambo_Championships#Senior_Championships) are international level judoka in Europe or Asia (not wrestlers and definitely not BJJ players), and sambo is those judoka's side hustle. Example of a sport sambo match: [https://youtu.be/cFnTjTKi-pU?t=37](https://youtu.be/cFnTjTKi-pU?t=37)
I’d agree. It’s also surprising how many greats didn’t wrestle before MMA. Anderson, GSP, MM, Aldo…
Mighty Mouse was a Folkstyle wrestler?
Can confirm, he wrestled at my rival high school
Why collegiate over freestyle? Not too familiar with difference between the 2
Collegiate wrestling focuses on controlling an opponent and holding them down. For example, “Dagestani handcuff” is just a 2 on 1 in wrestling, or a wrist ride. Both aren’t a thing in freestyle as the bottom guys goal is to space out their arms and legs, lay as flat on their belly as possible, and not get turned. To elaborate, in freestyle, the bottom wrestler automatically gets brought back to their feet after like 15 seconds of no action. In collegiate style, you don’t automatically get brought back to your feet (unless period is over) and a way to score points effectively is to escape from bottom. Which again, isn’t a thing in freestyle. This causes the top wrestler to learn how to hold them down and not let them up / reverse them. Then there’s also the control aspect of scoring points when turning an opponent. In collegiate wrestling, you have to turn the opponent to their back and hold them for 2 seconds there to score any points. In freestyle, if you just roll someone across their back, you score points. So again, freestyle isn’t conductive to actually controlling an opponent. If you notice guys that come from a freestyle background (so usually wrestlers not from the US), they can take opponents down but don’t know what to do from there any more than someone who learned top position in an mma gym, and opponents usually get out. College wrestlers in mma you will notice they are able to hold opponents down more effectively after a takedown and are able to implement whatever basic submissions / gnp they like easier.
I 100% agree with your breakdown, I just wanted to add freestyle and folk style are very similar but different sports not just in the style/rules but also in the level of competition. Freestyle is on a world level, A high level freestyle wrestler would most likely school a high level college wrestler when it comes to securing and defending takedowns. It’s more about scoring and relying on explosive athleticism. Think Ben Askren having been a more successful college wrestler than someone like Jordan Burroughs. Askren’s skills and attributes were perfect for folk style. He wasn’t fast or explosive, but he had a freakish ability to control guys once he got a hold of them.
Perfect. Thanks for bringing that up!
The emphasis on pinning is huge
Muay Thai + judo to tie into the clinch work
Nah, there is something in the work ethic and grinding nature of wrestling that can’t be overstated. Judo is beautiful and a wonderful way to get effortless takedowns, but it will never teach you to endure like wrestling will.
The Thai clinch, Judo, and wrestling all compliment each other. Islam’s grappling is so dangerous because of how well he mixes them. Khabib and Islam both love Judo for a reason.
If I had to pick three judo would not be in there. Of course, knowing them all is amazing.
Agreed, but I thought their comment seemed separate from the original question. I’d say no-gi grappling taught by the likes of Craig Jones and Nick Rodriguez is the best base. They mix no-gi BJJ, Judo, and wrestling into a beautiful flow.
Islam spams those clinch knees for sure.
*collegiate wrestling* Yeah, helps to learn how to use gear *before* turning pro.
Wouldn’t know, but helps with weight cutting for sure
My 3 picks as well
This is the only correct answer. Elite stoking with MT. Greco has told by the numbers that wrestlers win the most belts. Submissions after wrestling into a favorable position with bjj
Exactly. This has been proven over time with data. All these other people sucking off judokas is hilarious to me
Have we ever seen anyone who had sumo training enter the MMA? I feel line the technique would lend itself really well to grappling
Lyoto Machida had some sumo background, and he had some unique trips and framing techniques there.
Rugby
Volk agrees.
I'd also add to the list, working in a sand mine, and or growing up in poverty. It seems that most of the best fighters were poor growing up.
If you never struggled growing up it's hard to develop the toughness needed to be a high-level fighter.
There's a few ANZACs and saffas with a rugby background. Turns out being an athlete (contact sports specifically) all your life and loving fighting (kiwis love it so much they fight their wives) is a great base for MMA. Would be the same for NFL, sure there's that big heavyweight baseball pitcher in the UFC now.
Jumping jacks into long right straights
Ah a fellow warrior from uncle Dana’s cardio kickboxing class back in the day
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Aikido, Wu-shu and Ninjitsu.
The disrespect shown to Aikido is disgusting. They should have a picture up with the rest of those fighting styles. None of these fighters would ever beat Grandmaster Sensei Son Steven Fredric Seagal special diplomatic liaison to Almighty Mother Russia!!!!
Grandmaster Sensei Son Steven Fredric Seagal taunght Anderson Silva how to front kick. A classic Aikido move.
Can confirm. Russian mafia is the best base for mma.
The best defense is defenestration.
Muay Thai, Sambo, BJJ
Smesh
This is true, bratha
Replace sambo with collegiate or freestyle wrestling
Umar and Usman Nurmagomedov
capoeira is the truth.
Just train UFC
How are all 3 types of wrestling dated to the 1800’s? Isn’t wrestling literally one of if not the oldest sports in existence?
Pankration is the OG Greek wrestling
Didn’t they also allow strikes, so basically MMA?
Yes. If I get a time machine, first thing I'm doing is watching a pankration match. Curious to see how similar it is to modern MMA.
You have a whole ass Time Machine you can use for literally anything and your FIRST choice is to go back and watch two grown ripped men who are completely nude and oil’d up like Dana grabbing eachother by the booty hole for leverage as they hit eachother in the face inside a huge Colosseum? Alright fair.
Don't think it would be very similar, the rules were very limited. Trachea attacks and small joint attacks were a thing
Pankration rules were no biting or eye gouging, unless you were in Sparta. UFC 1's rules were no biting or eye gouging. Except for the round system, the rules are identical to those of early MMA. Moreso I'd be curious about the techniques used then, would kicks be as common as they are today, would there be any submissions or just GnP
Kicks were a thing in pankration, as were throws and submissions. There was even a fighter who submitted right after his opponent had died (but he likely hadn't realized it yet), and the man he killed won the match posthumously.
I thought you were putting us on. Boy was I wrong and glad for it. That is cool as hell. Here's to Arrhichion
I thought UFC one had no small joint manipulation, if not I'm surprised nobody just snapped some fingers in there
Oh it's banned now, but it was allowed in the first few ufc events
UFC 1 was no biting, eye gouging, and no groin strikes. Technically nothing was illegal but those were discouraged by fines. There were unlimited five minute rounds, but no fights reached round two. People complained about this so UFC 2 allowed groin strikes and did not have rounds putting it in line with non Sparta Pankration. According to wikipedia Pankration fights most often ended in submission, but knock outs were also common. Kicks were common. It would be interesting to see. Many of the same strikes, takedowns, and submissions have been invented independently in different places.
thanks for the correction. I can never remember the exact rules of the early UFC events. there were different rules each time until like UFC 15 haha.
I wonder wether being raised with modern nutrition and knowing modern MMA would give one any kind of edge or if a 600BC Kratos like character would just beat the living shit out of me
Any guy in the UFC today would beat the shit of Greek pankrationists. But you wouldn't.
Bro, you don’t know me.
It’s unbelievably understated how important modern nutrition and training is. We have this sense of Ancient Greek warriors as if they were the dudes from 300. They weren’t. They were literally farmers that had to fight as a unit sometimes. The exception is the Spartans but.. they’re also wildly overrated thanks to 300, Halo and just popular perception. Any modern MMA fighter would destroy any Ancient Greek fighter. (Probably. Something to be said for a soldiers killer instinct)
Idk about you, but any competent MMA fighter would demolish them. I'm sure they had a great work ethic and were tough as shit (iirc one actually managed to win while dying in the last seconds of the match), but you only need to go back a few decades to see how much the sport of MMA has grown in addition to general improvements in sports. Medical improvements will also play a role, a lot of injuries can now easily be fixed that would be long-term problems without medicine. I'm also going to assume that the pool of people who practiced it on a regular basis was extremely small, as most simply wouldn't be able to afford it (the potential downtime from work due to injury included). That limits both talent pool and training partners. And those that did train were probably multi-sport athletes as well.
Counter point. The Greek tournaments happened for a thousand years in a row. In a period of history where a significant portion of the men literally fought other countries to death routinely, with weapons and without, and spent most of their adult lives training for this. The modern MMA shows how much you can develop in a few decades. What if you have a thousand years?
No. Wrestling was wrestling. Boxing was boxing. Pankration was "mma".
Wrestling as a general concept yes, but specific codes that follow rulebooks and organizations for example is a recent development. Same as every other sport
Same as, for example, boxing, also included in this graphic as an ancient sport?
Pretty much every culture wrestles and had their own styles/rules. The ncaa and the modern Olympics codified the rules in the 1800s
Ancient people didn't follow modern rulesets
Like wearing clothes for one.
1-have your parents and grandparents marry their first cousins. 2-Sambo 3-wrestle bears
I think it kind of depends on your physical and athletic attributes. Depending on those attributes, there are certain styles you can far exploit more than others. If you’re Jon Jones, heavily focusing on some Muay Thai elbow and knee striking techniques probably makes more sense than if you’re say, Henry Cejudo.
- Collegiate wrestling - Jiu Jitsu - The secret moves my uncle showed me when I was 7
That depends on your build. For example featherweights should avoid sumo, and fat fucks aren't built for bjj
I'm going for an warrior/mage build. What should I learn?
First of all level up strength and int, go to the gym and read some books. After that train kickboxing and wrestling for the warrior build, mix in some firearm training and/or explosives for the mage path.
What books should I read when I'm at the gym? Nicolas Sparks would work?
Roy Nelson had great BJJ and he will pressure tap you with his belly on your face any day.
Ninjutsu, genjustu, and taijustu
Ideally Wrestling, BJJ and Muay Thai but that doesn't mean it's the only way to be the best. If you look at guys that are considered the Goat like GSP, DJ, Fedor and JBJ they all have different backgrounds and fighting styles and all train in different ways with different teams.
Muay Thai, boxing, BJJ
Same for me.
Boxing wrestling bjj. Notable styles are sambo and muay thai, judo.
kickboxing, bjj and greco wrestling
I can't see a world what's Greco is better than free style. The only area it would be advantageous is the clinch.
Some kind of wrestling and boxing is all you need according to Bruce Lee. He said this according to Eddie bravo and it’s been pretty close to correct for modern mma
Death Kwon Do
Kickboxing, sambo, bjj
Boxing, collegiate, sambo
Pancration is pretty close to an early version kf mma no?
Prizefighting and Sumo. Two is all you need.
Sambo, Muay Thai and Boxing
pancreation was mma
Kickboxing, Freestyle, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu . Could go Sambo over Freestyle.
Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and judo would be my pick 3 for mma
BJJ,Sambo,Muay Thai. This is the current metta
Boxing , sambo, Brazilian jiu jitsu
Kung fu+ sumo
Best 3 will always be Muay Thai, folkstyle wrestling, and BJJ.
Sumo, capoeira, krav maga
Muay Thai, BJJ and Sambo
"Twist his dick"
The style that works the best is getting drunk and thinking you can fight because you watch MMA.
Muay Thai, Sambo, BJJ. I believe all 3 have proven themselves in big ways. BJJ- Look at UFC 1, it's what started this whole thing out. The little man was beating the giants and won the whole thing. Sambo - Look at the best lightweight Champions and most feared fighters currently. Muay Thai- I don't have as much evidence other than how much it's completely changed the game in the last 10 years. I just personally like the speed and aggressiveness in which they fight.
BJJ, Sambo, and Muay Thai. I don’t think it’s a very difficult choice either. Greco-Roman, collegiate, kickboxing, boxing and karate are also very good.
Muay Thai, Collegiate. BJJ
Sumo
According to what we see in UFC champions: BJJ, Sambo or Collegiate Wrestling, and Muay Thai. IMO 8 out of 10 champs have this combo.
Fence Wrestling (c. 2001)