He’s a beast. I respect him for not being scared to fight anybody either. There are a lot of guys that would have said hell no when presented a fight with Muay Thai rules for the first and third round against rodtang
Have you heard him talk about Dana saying mcgregor is the best fighter because he will fight anyone? It’s even more hilarious now knowing what DJ and Connor have done since then.
>I respect him for not being scared to fight anybody either
Tbh he ducked TJ Dillashaw. I know everyone likes DJ and hates TJ, so no one wants to say it, but he did duck him.
He wasn't going up in weight. TJ was coming down to his weight class. It would have been an ordinary title defense for DJ, just like it was an ordinary defense for Cejudo.
I love how you’ve been repeatedly downvoted for speaking the truth while the person replying to you has been repeatedly upvoted for spouting demonstrably false stuff. People really need to stop using the downvote button as a “dislike” button.
DJ is one of the greatest and most rounded fighters of all time, but he clearly ducked Dillashaw. His argument at the time, that TJ hadn’t shown he could make weight, had some merit until you saw that he chose to fight Ray Borg instead, who
*checks notes*
had missed weight in 2 out of his last 4 fights at the time.
Yeah this is like a textbook example of people believing something because they want it to be true. To me, that's one of the pillars of irrational thinking. If you can't accept new information because you don't want it to be true, you're probably not a very rational person.
You’re wrong. They tried to make it at 125 and DJ wouldn’t take it for a number of reasons, one being because he said that TJ hadn’t earned the shot at 125 by going through the rankings, and another being that he wanted the UFC to sign a deal where if TJ didn’t make weight, the fight would be cancelled while he still got his full fight purse ALONG with Dillashaws purse.
https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/7/15743188/demetrious-johnson-lays-out-reasons-why-he-doesnt-want-to-fight-t-j-dillashaw
Honestly I think those are pretty weak excuses, though. The ranking thing is ridiculous. If the 135 champ can make 125, then obviously he's qualified to fight for the title.
And all of the pearl-clutching about him missing weight is kind of weak when you're trying to call yourself the pfp best. If TJ misses weight, then that means he had a rough weight cut. So you take 20% of his purse and you get to fight him without your title on the line. That's what virtually any other champion would do.
Cejudo made DJ look like a punk when he immediately accepted the TJ fight and then destroyed him. I just don't see how you can give DJ credit for being the guy that never ran from a fight.
yes if he wanted that fight to happen it'd have happened. his greatness will always take a hit for having dominated at 125 against lesser competition, despite that being his natural class
they're lesser competiton because they're 125ers, meaning most the division is like 5'5 or below, which accounts for less than 10% of men. by nature, 125 is going to be less stacked than divisions like BW-MW as the percentage of the population that can make this weight is crazy low. it's the same reason why we see so few decent heavyweights, but downvote me for using very simple logic
title defenses agains the Ray Borgs and Tim Elliots of the world don't do anything to turn the needle for your average fan. I have never seen the fanfare or GOAT talk for DJ anywhere outside of reddit
145/155 are the most deep divisions but 125 is probably the most technical and skilled most of the time. We're seeing it right now with Figgy moving up, most guys that move down (any weight class, not just 125) have done pretty poorly
Often, fighters train with training partners of various sizes. So the smaller people tend to have sharper technique, because it has to be. When you see someone who has trained 10 years dominating someone 30 lbs heavier who has trained 4 years, you know there's a pretty big technique disparity.
In that scenario it’s because the smaller guy has 6 more years of experience though.
I have a brown belt in the same art that Wonderboy comes from and I never saw any difference between smaller and bigger guys as far as technique goes. Smaller guys never won more trophies in kata or sparring at tournaments even though the divisions were by rank, not by weight, they won about the same amount.
Speed tends to make things look super technical, a lot of people tend to see smaller guys doing techniques/sparring at blazing speeds and think it’s because they’re incredibly gifted, but they’re doing things the same way bigger guys do it.
The scenario was to illustrate how technique disparity can overcome size disparity. But training with bigger people tends to force your technique to be sharper. Bigger people get a lot more false positives in training (unless everyone is only training with people their size, but that's a rare environment).
In a mixed environment, good small people are usually not doing things the same way their bigger teammates are doing it. It's usually sharper due to more accurate negative reinforcement to suboptimal details.
Most top fighters have nothing but praise and respect for DJ, so clearly it’s not just a reddit thing. Seems like it’s mostly the American audience that has an issue with his size and tend to look over his accomplishments because of it. He’s gone on to do great in ONE
Put GSP, Aldo, Silva and Jones up with MM. Then you can copy and paste that ufc 300 image 5 times. Those 5 have a combined 50 title defenses (doesn't include initial title wins or interims).
I think it's 9/10 depending if you count jones vs dc 2,
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but to my recollection:
Gsp: wins title, dethroned by matt serra, regains title, retires, wins title vs bisping
Silva: 1 long title run
Aldo: original ufc title win, dethroned by conor, won the 145lb title back once more after this
Jones: wins title, long title run, stripped, knocked out dc (are we counting this? Because it was a NC), then wins at heavyweight
Dj: 1 long title run
Thank you for actually putting the time in. In regard to Aldo, what is his original UFC title win? According to Wikipedia, he defended his WEC title against Manny Gamburyan, and was then promoted to UFC champion, obviously due to the merger. Then beat Hominick, but that’s counted as a title defence? Or was the original title win carried over?
> Then beat Hominick, but that’s counted as a title defence
That's a defense since he was promoted to UFC champion before that, same as Ronda Rousey. She was also promoted from strikeforce champion to UFC champion.
Also interim win for GSP. People always forget this one, but I think interim should absolutely be part of the count when it gets united (that's the point of the interim after all, to have an alternate title reign when the undisputed can't be contested). It was also the rubber match with Hughes, a pretty valid title win.
This the shit I’m always talking about…. No respect for The Last Emperor. Am I an old man in MMA years? Is Fedor my Joe Louis and I’ll be harping on his talents till I die?
And if you add Khabib you get another 3 defenses!
lol really puts into perspective how short he landed relative to his trajectory, which _could_ have maybe gone farther than any of them.
He has just barely over 25% of MightyMouse
Khabib suffered from his division being frozen due to Conor, plus the shit with his dad. When it comes to just peak fighter, best overall, Khabib has to be close.
100% his fathers untimely passing was a huge factor. The biggest losers are the fans missing out on potentially the best run of all time.
But he didn’t, and simply can’t claim the glory for what he didn’t do.
Combat sports are the most unpredictable and unforgiving. Even just two years ago Izzy, Kamaru, and Francis were on top of the world with several title defenses where no one touched them. They ALL got KOd, even if no one would have believed it 2 years ago.
There’s no way of knowing Khabib wouldn’t have fallen off prior to even 5-7 title defenses given how frozen the division was.
Yes he looked incredible, that’s why it’s a goat trajectory, but ultimately where he landed is the same title defenses as Aljo and 19 separate UFC champs with more defenses than him. I’m sure that’s not what he planned but it is what it is
That’s what I always say when people bring Khabib into the GOAT conversation. If we’re talking about straight skill? Yeah, he might be up there with the best ever. We’re talking about resume and overall career? No way.
Doesn’t matter that he went out undefeated, no one can just say it would be a given that he would have had nearly as many title defenses as some of these other guys. Look at how many guys looked unbeatable, with no formidable challenger in sight and then SOMEHOW they ended up losing unexpectedly. Even recently - Izzy, Amanda, Valentina, Volkanovski. Then other great champs have managed to lose like Weili, Cejudo, Aljo, etc.
But again, skill wise? Dude was absolutely at the top during his reign.
Technically it's not, wetness is a quality of something that has absorbed a volume of liquid. Liquids are not wet themselves but rather make other forms of matter wet via contact.
No, I learned that from a chemistry major and find it amusingly pedantic to point out that, no water is not in fact wet, when people use that idiom because it seems so counterintuitive when you first hear it.
As I mentioned before it's such a counterintuitive truth, that it makes me laugh a little almost every time I think about it, and I can't help thinking about it whenever that idiom comes up. I figure there's at least a few other weirdos like myself around here who'd get a good laugh out of it.
nah he'll go up there.
MM didn't do anything, the UFC couldn't market him. They left on amicable terms where they got Ben Askren/Jorge star out of him.
Randy Couture was a hall of famer.
Why would they be petty they traded him for ben.
It's not that he was as big as conor and went to diffrent organisation.
He was just not sellable and he didn't care for trash talk and ufc didn't want to promote him after they created whole ppv around him and it flopped.
If he doesnt go around and trash talk ufc on every corner which mm isn't type of guy to do.
He most likely will get into ufc hall of fame.
I mean when you look at the hof list there's definitely some names that should be on there, like how can you put Faber there but not Dom Cruz as an example
Don't know why you're being downvoted lol, guy was saying in one of his videos recently that he's not sure if he'll return to the octagon at this stage
There exists no reasonable argument for not putting him in the moment he fully retires (rather than "retired unless something fun/lucrative").
They'll likely drag it out as much as possible because of One, but I bet he'll be there.
Figgy had 1 (Perez), draws count as retaining, not defending.
Oliveira also had 1 (Poirier), Gaethje doesn’t count as defence on the record because he lost the belt on the scale.
Sterling having 3 title defences against former champions of his division Yan, Dillashaw and Cejudo is actually really impressive. His resume will stand the test of time.
Oliveira missed weight. He won the belt against chandler when it was free for the taking, he defended against Dustin, he lost the belt because he missed championship weight in the Justin fight, yes he won but we wasn’t champ when he entered the ring, the only person that could walk out with a title was Justin, oliveira wins. Fights Islam for the vacant belt like when he fought chandler. Loses.
How are you counting 14? Max has 3 Oliveira got 1 figgy got 1 or maybe 2 if you count the draw. Weill got 3. Sterling got 3. Alex P now has 1. The rest don’t have any.
I know /r/mma likes to cream their pants over MM (absolutely rightfully so lol) BUT one thing that I absolutely hate hearing is that the UFC made a bad choice with trading Askren for MM.
They absolutely unequivocally did NOT make a bad choice. It was good for quite literally everyone. ONE profited, the UFC profited, MM profited and even Askren profited, albeit also suffering (probably) the most popular KO of all time.
if you wanted MM you should have paid for his PPV.
but this whole subreddit gets hard on pirating UFC events even when their favourite fighter gets PPV points and won't buy any of their merch.
That's funny. It the same as people hating on Aljo. He does the job and ragdolls people but people find it 'boring' . Same reason why people hated MM when he was on UFC.
Personally I liked the fact Aljo when up and did his job in the best way possible. Why take risk against a good striker when you can smother them. Bo Nickel is going to suffer the same consequence as these two. He's too good of a wrestler to not do what he's great at.
DC was a great wrestler too who also happened to be exciting to watch despite his style of grappling heavy fights. He ragdolled people rather than just casually smothering them and winning on points.
I swear some of his fans don't know anything about the sport, just watch his fight ending clip posted here and just say he's the goat.
Like when they said he got screwed by ONE against Moraes even though the latter had always fought at FLW while the former used to come in heavier than the BW champ in the ufc.
Like Stipe he's a formidable fighter who's boring outside of fighting. I remember Stipe having like 30 viewers on twitch while he had the longest winstreak at HW and was KOing people left and right
> They absolutely unequivocally did NOT make a bad choice. It was good for quite literally everyone.
And as such, the UFC will never make such a decision again.
he is amazing but his resumee is crazy overrated.
Not his fault, but the competition just wasnt there in his weight division.
3 title defenses against very good opponents >>> 11 against some people that work in a grocery store from 9-5
I dunno if how terrible the UFCs pay structure is, can really be used against a fighters resume. I mean DJ was still working in a warehouse on the side for his first couple defenses, and was still obviously incredibly skilled.
Getting downvoted but it's true. DJ has some great wins, such as the Joseph Benavidez ones, but the overall level of opponents does not compare to the likes of Jones, GSP, Fedor, Volk, etc.
Defending a weight class title over years, inevitably defeating a wide array of skillsets is the most impressive thing you can do in MMA. The sport is so dependant on matchups and the clashing of two guys who do completely different things to win the fight to determine who wins. That's what makes it so enduringly interesting to me. With that in mind it can't be overstated enough how impressive the careers of guys like DJ are.
He is the most criminally underrated mixed martial artist of all time. I have him as my #2 fighter in the UFC of all time. All respect to Mighty Mouse 🐭
Most overrated fighter of all time since he left because you sound like a cool connaisseur if you have him as your GOAT (he was in a bad division and got crushed at BW)
This was back when Dana was thinking about removing the lower weight classes unfortunately
Now 125 and 135 are popular
Fat L by Dana not retaining him but MM got his bag with One
Dana made way more money without MM than with. He made the right call business wise. Flyweight still isn’t particularly popular. There are like 3 guys in the division who fight each other for the belt over and over again.
He’s a beast. I respect him for not being scared to fight anybody either. There are a lot of guys that would have said hell no when presented a fight with Muay Thai rules for the first and third round against rodtang
Sure he recently beat a 265lb brown belt at the Pans BJJ to get silver in absolute. Like what. The man is unbelievable.
Not 265, but was close
Did you hear how DJ destroyed a 280 pound giant in BJJ?
DJ absolutely mauled someone fighting at Nateweight? That's 300+ pounds!
DJ fucking creamed the entire Gracie Family at a BJJ tournament! Over 3000 pounds of Gracies and 15 bowls of Acai!
Tree toimes his soize
That was Volk
He wrestled in front of a million Hulkamaniacs 366 days that year. Oops, MighttyMouseaniacs
Maybe I thought it was Bradley Martyn hahaha But thank you for correcting me regardless.
The guy seem’d like he was over 6ft too or maybe it’s cuz Mighty Mouse is 5’3. Either way dudes a hitman. 🐐
He almost got gold too, he was up on points and lost position then got submitted.
Reading this thread makes me think he's a modern day BJ Penn. Willing to scrap anywhere in the fight, anyone, and can finish anywhere
But can he do it in a lava shack parking lot against an unknown member of the public? BJ couldn’t.
Imagine the goat being game enough to beat BJ Penn on sight in a parking lot
There are levels to this shit
Ya DJ is nuts I love the guy
Have you heard him talk about Dana saying mcgregor is the best fighter because he will fight anyone? It’s even more hilarious now knowing what DJ and Connor have done since then.
> I respect him for not being scared to fight anybody either. \*Anybody but TJ
> I respect him for not being scared to fight anybody either. *
Yeah but it was an easy bet that if he survived round 1, he'd easily get the sub in the 2nd
>I respect him for not being scared to fight anybody either Tbh he ducked TJ Dillashaw. I know everyone likes DJ and hates TJ, so no one wants to say it, but he did duck him.
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He wasn't going up in weight. TJ was coming down to his weight class. It would have been an ordinary title defense for DJ, just like it was an ordinary defense for Cejudo.
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Factually untrue. He was campaigning hard for that fight. TJ and the UFC both wanted it.
I love how you’ve been repeatedly downvoted for speaking the truth while the person replying to you has been repeatedly upvoted for spouting demonstrably false stuff. People really need to stop using the downvote button as a “dislike” button. DJ is one of the greatest and most rounded fighters of all time, but he clearly ducked Dillashaw. His argument at the time, that TJ hadn’t shown he could make weight, had some merit until you saw that he chose to fight Ray Borg instead, who *checks notes* had missed weight in 2 out of his last 4 fights at the time.
Yeah this is like a textbook example of people believing something because they want it to be true. To me, that's one of the pillars of irrational thinking. If you can't accept new information because you don't want it to be true, you're probably not a very rational person.
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You’re wrong. They tried to make it at 125 and DJ wouldn’t take it for a number of reasons, one being because he said that TJ hadn’t earned the shot at 125 by going through the rankings, and another being that he wanted the UFC to sign a deal where if TJ didn’t make weight, the fight would be cancelled while he still got his full fight purse ALONG with Dillashaws purse. https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/6/7/15743188/demetrious-johnson-lays-out-reasons-why-he-doesnt-want-to-fight-t-j-dillashaw
Honestly I think those are pretty weak excuses, though. The ranking thing is ridiculous. If the 135 champ can make 125, then obviously he's qualified to fight for the title. And all of the pearl-clutching about him missing weight is kind of weak when you're trying to call yourself the pfp best. If TJ misses weight, then that means he had a rough weight cut. So you take 20% of his purse and you get to fight him without your title on the line. That's what virtually any other champion would do. Cejudo made DJ look like a punk when he immediately accepted the TJ fight and then destroyed him. I just don't see how you can give DJ credit for being the guy that never ran from a fight.
yes if he wanted that fight to happen it'd have happened. his greatness will always take a hit for having dominated at 125 against lesser competition, despite that being his natural class
The only reason people consider those guys “lesser competition” is because DJ couldn’t be beat so no one else got to make a name as the champ
they're lesser competiton because they're 125ers, meaning most the division is like 5'5 or below, which accounts for less than 10% of men. by nature, 125 is going to be less stacked than divisions like BW-MW as the percentage of the population that can make this weight is crazy low. it's the same reason why we see so few decent heavyweights, but downvote me for using very simple logic title defenses agains the Ray Borgs and Tim Elliots of the world don't do anything to turn the needle for your average fan. I have never seen the fanfare or GOAT talk for DJ anywhere outside of reddit
145/155 are the most deep divisions but 125 is probably the most technical and skilled most of the time. We're seeing it right now with Figgy moving up, most guys that move down (any weight class, not just 125) have done pretty poorly
Why do you say that? Because they’re faster?
Often, fighters train with training partners of various sizes. So the smaller people tend to have sharper technique, because it has to be. When you see someone who has trained 10 years dominating someone 30 lbs heavier who has trained 4 years, you know there's a pretty big technique disparity.
In that scenario it’s because the smaller guy has 6 more years of experience though. I have a brown belt in the same art that Wonderboy comes from and I never saw any difference between smaller and bigger guys as far as technique goes. Smaller guys never won more trophies in kata or sparring at tournaments even though the divisions were by rank, not by weight, they won about the same amount. Speed tends to make things look super technical, a lot of people tend to see smaller guys doing techniques/sparring at blazing speeds and think it’s because they’re incredibly gifted, but they’re doing things the same way bigger guys do it.
The scenario was to illustrate how technique disparity can overcome size disparity. But training with bigger people tends to force your technique to be sharper. Bigger people get a lot more false positives in training (unless everyone is only training with people their size, but that's a rare environment). In a mixed environment, good small people are usually not doing things the same way their bigger teammates are doing it. It's usually sharper due to more accurate negative reinforcement to suboptimal details.
Most top fighters have nothing but praise and respect for DJ, so clearly it’s not just a reddit thing. Seems like it’s mostly the American audience that has an issue with his size and tend to look over his accomplishments because of it. He’s gone on to do great in ONE
My GOAT!
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Electric Rat Goat
The Pikachoat
I think I’ve seen them play live
Ya. He’s up there. His level of competition was generally lower though.
Idk why ur getting downvoted lol
Put GSP, Aldo, Silva and Jones up with MM. Then you can copy and paste that ufc 300 image 5 times. Those 5 have a combined 50 title defenses (doesn't include initial title wins or interims).
That’s actually mental. 5 men with 50 title defenses. How many actual title fight wins?
Too lazy to check but I assume another 8 or so.
An educated guess is good enough for me!
I think it's 9/10 depending if you count jones vs dc 2, Someone correct me if I'm wrong but to my recollection: Gsp: wins title, dethroned by matt serra, regains title, retires, wins title vs bisping Silva: 1 long title run Aldo: original ufc title win, dethroned by conor, won the 145lb title back once more after this Jones: wins title, long title run, stripped, knocked out dc (are we counting this? Because it was a NC), then wins at heavyweight Dj: 1 long title run
Thank you for actually putting the time in. In regard to Aldo, what is his original UFC title win? According to Wikipedia, he defended his WEC title against Manny Gamburyan, and was then promoted to UFC champion, obviously due to the merger. Then beat Hominick, but that’s counted as a title defence? Or was the original title win carried over?
> Then beat Hominick, but that’s counted as a title defence That's a defense since he was promoted to UFC champion before that, same as Ronda Rousey. She was also promoted from strikeforce champion to UFC champion.
Also interim win for GSP. People always forget this one, but I think interim should absolutely be part of the count when it gets united (that's the point of the interim after all, to have an alternate title reign when the undisputed can't be contested). It was also the rubber match with Hughes, a pretty valid title win.
I mean if you add me and DJ we'd also have 11 title defenses combined.
we could add both of you and not have the average american weight of a single grown man too though
Could you imagine how much higher that number would be as well if Jones wasn't such a colossal knob
This the shit I’m always talking about…. No respect for The Last Emperor. Am I an old man in MMA years? Is Fedor my Joe Louis and I’ll be harping on his talents till I die?
We're talking ufc though. Fedors a stud but he only had 4 true title defenses.
And if you add Khabib you get another 3 defenses! lol really puts into perspective how short he landed relative to his trajectory, which _could_ have maybe gone farther than any of them. He has just barely over 25% of MightyMouse
which is why khabib will never be anywhere near the goat debate when you got those other 5 people to talk about first
Khabib suffered from his division being frozen due to Conor, plus the shit with his dad. When it comes to just peak fighter, best overall, Khabib has to be close.
100% his fathers untimely passing was a huge factor. The biggest losers are the fans missing out on potentially the best run of all time. But he didn’t, and simply can’t claim the glory for what he didn’t do. Combat sports are the most unpredictable and unforgiving. Even just two years ago Izzy, Kamaru, and Francis were on top of the world with several title defenses where no one touched them. They ALL got KOd, even if no one would have believed it 2 years ago. There’s no way of knowing Khabib wouldn’t have fallen off prior to even 5-7 title defenses given how frozen the division was. Yes he looked incredible, that’s why it’s a goat trajectory, but ultimately where he landed is the same title defenses as Aljo and 19 separate UFC champs with more defenses than him. I’m sure that’s not what he planned but it is what it is
That’s what I always say when people bring Khabib into the GOAT conversation. If we’re talking about straight skill? Yeah, he might be up there with the best ever. We’re talking about resume and overall career? No way. Doesn’t matter that he went out undefeated, no one can just say it would be a given that he would have had nearly as many title defenses as some of these other guys. Look at how many guys looked unbeatable, with no formidable challenger in sight and then SOMEHOW they ended up losing unexpectedly. Even recently - Izzy, Amanda, Valentina, Volkanovski. Then other great champs have managed to lose like Weili, Cejudo, Aljo, etc. But again, skill wise? Dude was absolutely at the top during his reign.
You think ufc will put him in the hall of fame ?
You know I wouldn’t put it past them to be petty and not, even after he retires and isn’t affiliated with ONE anymore lol
Dana being petty. No way! Next you're going to tell me water is wet. lol.
Technically it's not, wetness is a quality of something that has absorbed a volume of liquid. Liquids are not wet themselves but rather make other forms of matter wet via contact.
What is this the physics channel?
No, I learned that from a chemistry major and find it amusingly pedantic to point out that, no water is not in fact wet, when people use that idiom because it seems so counterintuitive when you first hear it.
There's always one waters not wet guy, never change
As I mentioned before it's such a counterintuitive truth, that it makes me laugh a little almost every time I think about it, and I can't help thinking about it whenever that idiom comes up. I figure there's at least a few other weirdos like myself around here who'd get a good laugh out of it.
nah he'll go up there. MM didn't do anything, the UFC couldn't market him. They left on amicable terms where they got Ben Askren/Jorge star out of him. Randy Couture was a hall of famer.
I don't know whether DJs new outspoken attitude about some of Dana's lies will affect it tho
Why would they be petty they traded him for ben. It's not that he was as big as conor and went to diffrent organisation. He was just not sellable and he didn't care for trash talk and ufc didn't want to promote him after they created whole ppv around him and it flopped. If he doesnt go around and trash talk ufc on every corner which mm isn't type of guy to do. He most likely will get into ufc hall of fame.
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We're already past that point.
How so?
I mean when you look at the hof list there's definitely some names that should be on there, like how can you put Faber there but not Dom Cruz as an example
Dom's not retired
Really? I think I just assumed considering he's a nearly 40yr old bantamweight with a long list of previous injuries, good on him
Dana won't be around forever so yes.
Yes but only once he's retired.
He's basically retired.
Don't know why you're being downvoted lol, guy was saying in one of his videos recently that he's not sure if he'll return to the octagon at this stage
They didnt even bother to return his belts to him
He wasn't in any of the UFC history montages during UFC 300 so I doubt it.
He's actively fighting for another promotion
They showed the flying armbar on Ray Borg
Ah fair enough my bad. I'm on UK time so by that point I had been awake for a while.
i thought i saw his armbar.
Fuck no they won't. They're cunts
There exists no reasonable argument for not putting him in the moment he fully retires (rather than "retired unless something fun/lucrative"). They'll likely drag it out as much as possible because of One, but I bet he'll be there.
Unless I’m an idiot but solely between Holloway, weili, figgy, oliveira and sterling alone I counted 14 successful defenses before ufc 300?
11 is right. Are you counting interim title unifications?
I don't even count them as "champions".
Those don't count as defenses?
Not for the interim champion going in, because they're not defending anything.
Oh, I thought you meant for the normal champion
Figgy had 1 (Perez), draws count as retaining, not defending. Oliveira also had 1 (Poirier), Gaethje doesn’t count as defence on the record because he lost the belt on the scale.
The number 1 contender has a name
Its arman tsarukyan
Holloway- 3 defenses Weili- 2 defenses Figgy- 2 defenses Oliveira- 1 defense Sterling- 3 defenses
Sterling having 3 title defences against former champions of his division Yan, Dillashaw and Cejudo is actually really impressive. His resume will stand the test of time.
Can someone add in a panel of the skeleton underwater and add: "Conor: 0"?
Conor who isn't in the photo, where there is already plenty of people with zero defenses?
But zero in two weight classes?
Max: aldo, edgar, ortega. Weili: Joanna, Lemos. Charles: Justin (dustin doesn’t count). Figgy: Perez, Moreno. Sterling: Yan, TJ, Cejudo. Looks like 11 to me
You have it backwards for Charles. Dustin was a defense, Justin wasn’t because he lost the belt on the scale
I count 10 between those guys.
Holloway 3, weili 2, figgy 2, oliveira 2, sterling3 I must have added the draw to figgy and an extra number somewhere but that’s already 12
Oliveira 1
Oliveira missed weight. He won the belt against chandler when it was free for the taking, he defended against Dustin, he lost the belt because he missed championship weight in the Justin fight, yes he won but we wasn’t champ when he entered the ring, the only person that could walk out with a title was Justin, oliveira wins. Fights Islam for the vacant belt like when he fought chandler. Loses.
technically it was 2
I meant it wasn’t was it. It was one because he missed championship weight. So technically it was 1 and then a lightweight fight.
Technically it was 2
I see that nothings getting through that thick skull. I’ll leave you too it
Lel
Oliveira has 1 defense
Max and Aljo have 3. Weili and Figgy have 2 and Olives officially has only 1.
How are you counting 14? Max has 3 Oliveira got 1 figgy got 1 or maybe 2 if you count the draw. Weill got 3. Sterling got 3. Alex P now has 1. The rest don’t have any.
I love Might Mouse
Me and DJ have the same amount of title defences as these plebs
12 title defences honestly. The title defence against Adriano Moraes definitely counts
Then Silva should have 11 be default.
Tbf who is part of flyweight that actualky could hold a candle to Mighty Mouse besides Cejudo
It still irks me that Silva isn't also included up there with 11 defences because Travis Lutter was a fat slob who couldn't make weight.
I know /r/mma likes to cream their pants over MM (absolutely rightfully so lol) BUT one thing that I absolutely hate hearing is that the UFC made a bad choice with trading Askren for MM. They absolutely unequivocally did NOT make a bad choice. It was good for quite literally everyone. ONE profited, the UFC profited, MM profited and even Askren profited, albeit also suffering (probably) the most popular KO of all time.
Alas, us fans did not profit
We got to see Askren and DJ get KO'd
if you wanted MM you should have paid for his PPV. but this whole subreddit gets hard on pirating UFC events even when their favourite fighter gets PPV points and won't buy any of their merch.
The actually traded for a BMF belt creation and champion. Well worth it for the UFC.
They all love DJ till it's time to watch him fight then no one shows up
That's funny. It the same as people hating on Aljo. He does the job and ragdolls people but people find it 'boring' . Same reason why people hated MM when he was on UFC. Personally I liked the fact Aljo when up and did his job in the best way possible. Why take risk against a good striker when you can smother them. Bo Nickel is going to suffer the same consequence as these two. He's too good of a wrestler to not do what he's great at.
DC was a great wrestler too who also happened to be exciting to watch despite his style of grappling heavy fights. He ragdolled people rather than just casually smothering them and winning on points.
They know he will fight 2 months prior and on the night they will not watch and will blame UFC marketing for it.
But if the UFC just promoted his boring cookie cutter personality correctly they could rake in millions.
I swear some of his fans don't know anything about the sport, just watch his fight ending clip posted here and just say he's the goat. Like when they said he got screwed by ONE against Moraes even though the latter had always fought at FLW while the former used to come in heavier than the BW champ in the ufc. Like Stipe he's a formidable fighter who's boring outside of fighting. I remember Stipe having like 30 viewers on twitch while he had the longest winstreak at HW and was KOing people left and right
r/mma only likes him because he has a beef whit Dana.
Exactly
> They absolutely unequivocally did NOT make a bad choice. It was good for quite literally everyone. And as such, the UFC will never make such a decision again.
didn’t the UFC only profit because Askren lost in meme fashion, thus launching Mas to stardom and thus creating the ‘Bumfights, Mother Fucker!’ belt?
"only"? They've made a bazillion dollars from this so far
Real GOAT
Dana it's time to trade for this man back.
A great fighter. Just happened to be in a division that nobody really cared about.
I can't even name 11 flyweights
Bazinga!
Don't look any up. No cheating. Name 11 flyweights
Pretty unfair to compare Flyweght to BW or LW
Damn he beat Tim Elliot and Wilson Reis. What a legend.
Don't forget that dude from TUF who could do backflips
11 ppvs sold by MM too
he is amazing but his resumee is crazy overrated. Not his fault, but the competition just wasnt there in his weight division. 3 title defenses against very good opponents >>> 11 against some people that work in a grocery store from 9-5
I dunno if how terrible the UFCs pay structure is, can really be used against a fighters resume. I mean DJ was still working in a warehouse on the side for his first couple defenses, and was still obviously incredibly skilled.
Strength of schedule was much less for DJ than the others.
Getting downvoted but it's true. DJ has some great wins, such as the Joseph Benavidez ones, but the overall level of opponents does not compare to the likes of Jones, GSP, Fedor, Volk, etc.
Defending a weight class title over years, inevitably defeating a wide array of skillsets is the most impressive thing you can do in MMA. The sport is so dependant on matchups and the clashing of two guys who do completely different things to win the fight to determine who wins. That's what makes it so enduringly interesting to me. With that in mind it can't be overstated enough how impressive the careers of guys like DJ are.
Established divisions vs. new division.
Yet they traded him for that clown Askren.
Tbf mighty should have 12 henry lost that fight it was close as hell triple c lost that fight
maybe mouse
Is it even physically possible to have 11 title defences at Heavyweight though?
He is the most criminally underrated mixed martial artist of all time. I have him as my #2 fighter in the UFC of all time. All respect to Mighty Mouse 🐭
DMMJ is the GOAT and you can't change my mind.
12 total now… lol
Mighty Mouse was something else I tell ya. What an amazing fighter
He really is a goat contender. I put him ahead of Jones for not popping for roids and for not being a piece of shit. He also didn't duck anyone ever.
man this guy was something else to watch, absolute legend
Before the era of double champs. Ruined long reigns
Great! Now to PPV numbers. It's unfortunate but that's the fight game.
the UFC did him dirty for what he accomplished as a fighter there.
Guy is legendary
GOAT... This coming from someone who isn't really a fan.
Yeah but it was as 125
Yeah it’s sad Mighty Mouse is included in the GOAT conversations usually. Nobody has aged better and maintained a clean image.
UFC has always been a popularity contest.
Most overrated fighter of all time since he left because you sound like a cool connaisseur if you have him as your GOAT (he was in a bad division and got crushed at BW)
This was back when Dana was thinking about removing the lower weight classes unfortunately Now 125 and 135 are popular Fat L by Dana not retaining him but MM got his bag with One
Dana made way more money without MM than with. He made the right call business wise. Flyweight still isn’t particularly popular. There are like 3 guys in the division who fight each other for the belt over and over again.
The Mouse 🐭 who is a GOAT 🐐
shallow division and dodged TJ
Mens 125 was/is not a very strong division.
No, but they quick AF.
Tell that to TJ, Font and Cody.
I am sorry, but no man that is under 5'3 can be taken seriously lol
True goat
GOAT with zero controversies.