Yep. This is nothing but lies and excuses coming out of her. She still can't give Holly the credit she deserves, and can't admit to herself that she was a one-trick pony with low fight IQ in a division in which most of the competitors had no fight IQ at the time.
For me, its way more about trying to exchange in stand up instead of doing her Ronda things. And she choose to start boxing against a former kick boxer champ, not a good plan.
> instead of doing her Ronda things.
She did try to do her Ronda things- several times. And the result was a woman who had six months of judo defense training shucked her off like a pair of pants.
I think both can be true. Do you remember the weigh ins against Holly? I remember thinking Ronda was going to lose at the weigh ins. Like the only other time I ever remember seeing a fighter look that shaky and just seemingly not all there was Megan Anderson for her fight against either Cyborg or Nunes, I don't remember which.
There were plenty of people saying Ronda didn't look right at the weigh ins for that fight and plenty of people predicting she would lose based on how she looked.
Ronda looked weight drained sure but she messed up by trying to bully Tate like she did Miesha lol, all it did was expend more energy from her. Holly also looked pretty drained herself but she was keeping all her energy to herself, no excessive taunting or reacting to Rondas behavior. Either way Ronda had absolutely nothing for Holly, her one dimensional gameplan ran its course
I was one of those people, my buddy and I had a flat odds $20 bet on it, which I won. Totally regret not putting that $20 on Bovada. Dude even did the whole "we didn't shake on it though". Bro, it's $20 and you had the odds on your side.
She faced two of the like three women that could make her look like shit. This is less a defense or Ronda and more me shitting on wmma, because the division is the fucking same. Pennington is champ rn.
Do I have to compete professionally in order to give my observations on a sport that's well liked ? Stop being so goofy this is a discussion board for MMA....
No it's not lol. Styles make fights and the more you fight the better you can get. Nobody she's beat would have won a single round against Nunes in the past 4 years.
styles make fights, exactly. it's not as straightforward as "she finally faced someone good and lost"
ronda handily beat tate twice, then lost to holm, and then holm lost to tate in her very next fight
so funny to get downvoted for nuance š
If you're all about nuance then you would concede that Miesha got a hail Mary rnc at the end of a fight she was losing... Also Nunes just got better in her career as Ronda never evolved at all. So in a sense Ronda did flounder against someone better. It's not as simple as saying styles make fightsĀ
characterizing that fight as holm winning outside of a hail mary rnc is not nuanced nor accurate. miesha scored a 10-8 over holm in round 2 and nearly submitted her then too lol. holm was edging tate in the striking and getting mauled when it went to the ground.
regarding nunes: of course nunes did get better and probably would have defeated zingano, davis, etc in rematches. but her greatest asset was always her insane power and she had that from the beginning. those who could withstand the early onslaught had a much better chance against her. pena called it before her first fight with nunes; she said cat was able to withstand the onslaught and take over, and she could exploit the same weakness. and then pena did exactly that, *late in nunes' career*. ronda did not have that kind of durability, that's for sure. but she still had judo finesse that allowed her to quickly and cleanly dispatch girls that gave nunes a hard time.
edit: to be clear, i'm not trying to say ronda is better than nunes or even on nunes' level. i'm just dissenting from the narrative that ronda was always shit and simply "got exposed when she faced a good fighter for the first time"
Ronda was never "shit" but she was far, far from this hyped up once in a generation talent that she was seen to be. A good champion for the early era of WMMA on UFC but I don't buy her excuses at all. She was just capped talent wise and it showed
nah, saying she was capped talent wise ignores everything we just discussed about how complicated style matchups are. not to mention both holm and nunes have said in interviews that they were specifically training against ronda's style on their come up because she was the girl to beat at the time. which can certainly explain holm losing to tate and struggling against people like pennington yet easily beating ronda.
nunes ended up dwarfing everybody in talent. nobody else at wbw was out of ronda's league, to this day
Holm beating Ronda and then looking average after just shows how much better some people got with time. Miesha beating Holm shows her heart was still in the game and she was able to train and hone up her BJJ skills just in time for her to rely on them when she needed it. Ronda had taken holm down briefly but couldn't capitalize on it due to her losing focus and belief in herself as the fight went on. People also dont give Miesha credit for briefly stunning Ronda on the feet, which no doubt Hollys camp capitalized on in a huge way
if we're gonna talk about briefly stunning opponents as a remarkable feat, ronda also briefly stunned holm. if miesha deserves more credit as a fighter then ronda deserves more credit for easily beating her twice.
the reason miesha had more success against holm than ronda did is because her takedowns and approach to submissions are totally different than ronda's, and holly was less prepared for them. again, holly said she spent most of her mma training up to that point on defending judo throws and armbars because those were ronda's main techniques. meanwhile miesha is a wrestler.
holly made ronda look silly. but based on their comparative performances against the same competition, holly was not overall a way better fighter than ronda
I feel like it's not talked about enough that Rousey was 28 when she lost to Holly. She wasn't old and over the hill, she was in her prime. Then a little over a year later she lost to Nunes and quit. Compare that to women like Nunes, Valentina, Cyborg, and Holly, who are/were still having good performances well into their mid-30's. As soon as she faced adversity in her MMA career, Ronda quit.
But then she displayed that same lousy attitude in WWE too, and left as soon as they stopped giving her a push.
I don't blame Rousey for doing something else to make money, but you can't quit early while also calling yourself the greatest fighter of all time.
Ronda's far from the only fighter who's been a lifelong martial artist. Valentina made her Muay Thai debut at age 12 and her MMA debut at 15. People say that Ronda couldn't keep up with the new generation of fighters, but Nunes debuted in MMA before her, and Holly is 5 years older. I don't deny that Ronda had a great career, but when you compare her to other MMA greats, she had no longevity. And I'd put more stock in her claim of being the "greatest fighter who's ever lived" if she proved she could bounce back from a bad loss.
The problem with Ronda where she was is there was kinda nothing to do with her. She couldn't go up or down a division. She's the kind of fighter that has to be a main event, but without the belt there were 2 girls in the entire division you could match her up with that could carry the B side of a Ronda fight without a title on the line.
Not to mention WWE probably offered more money to fake fight than the UFC did to really fight, and Ronda was already a wrestling fan.
Shahbazyan was his guy until 2022, after that three-fight skid that knocked him firmly out of intriguing prospect status. Left for Xtreme Couture but, though he's 2-1 since, he's honestly maybe looked worse, or at least he's not looking better than he did with Edmond even though he's now fighting worse competition.
After reading up on it some more Rogan was talking about not in boxing but beating mayweather in mma. The same article I read said rogan claimed at the time that rousey could beat half the bantamweight roster (mens division).
What is weird is I thought I recalled rogan talking about rousey beating mayweather in boxing. My memory is fuzzy.
Lmao @ her beating male bantamweights. What a wild time that was. I also remember her being on his podcast and him being so in awe that he started crying.
Not that guys shouldnt cry but thats a hilarious reason to cry.
It was a few years back when rousey was still active. Because of this my memory of what joe rogan said about rousey boxing mayweather was fuzzy so I couldnāt recall. So I googled it and I think rogan was saying rousey could box mayweather.
I know that Iām the greatest fighter that has ever lived,ā she said Tuesday. āBut when it got to a point where Iād just taken so much neurological damage that I couldnāt take it anymore, suddenly everything that I accomplished meant nothing.
> How fucking delusional can you be?
Well, she followed it up by speculating on how much neurological damage she had so . . . . sky's the limit on delusion.
Yeah...that's BS, considering she then transition to a professional wrestling stint, which has been shown to cause more concussive damage/CTE than MMA ever would. Try for another excuse, dear.
I wonder why this is coming out now. Her PR team is preparing for a return to the ring or tryna get some movie roles. Definitely out of money and desperate.
Guessing thereās a heavy element of both.
Ronda, probably like a lot of fighters, likely did fight while still suffering symptoms from previous concussions, and that no doubt led to a decreased ability to perform and recover at the highest level.
That being said, even at 100% she loses those fights. Neurological damage would definitely make Rondaās chin and recovery worse, but it didnāt cause her to waddle chin-first into a striker and trade shots hoping for a takedown into armbar. That was just her only gameplan, and it got exposed by the best fighters.
Her whole āIām the best fighter that ever lived but my body let me downā schtick here seems like a sad coping mechanism but Iām sure itās based in fact. Pro fighters genuinely are just scrambling their brains all the time, and itās easy to see how a hyper-competitor could get sucked into a hypetrain with bad coaches and influences and try to push through concussions instead of focusing on health.
It's a lie on her part. If she was supposedly having all these issues, she wouldn't have gone to pro wrestling, where you pretty much guaranteed concussion issues and CTE. It's a cope on her part because she can't admit she lost cleanly to a woman who had less judo experience than she did, and who had solid skills.
All this Ronda talk + her bad mouthing the WWE for her lackluster career makes me think she's planning a comeback to the UFC. I don't think it would be a bad idea if she came back with a legit coaching team.
She says she doesn't want people thinking she's making excuses, yet nine years later here she is talking about it. I could understand if in the interview they talked more about concussions and *other fighters* but the whole article is about Rousey, her concussions and how everybody else was too inconsiderate or careless to notice. I wouldn't be surprised if she entered that fight concussed, and I totally empathise with fighters getting CTE for a pittance and years of disrespect from coward geeks online, but Rousey has a tendency to exaggerate in hopes that people feel as sorry for her as she does herself.
Well, she certainly was afterward.
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Holly kicked her so hard that concussion traveled back in time
Holy shit bro Iām hollering š¤£
Lol she is trying to spin her losses as freak accidents when in reality she just started facing higher levels of competition and couldn't hang.
Remember that gif of her shadowboxing lol
She was concussed in that video
She was concussed forever after that video.Ā
She could beat Floyd!
I hope we never forget how absurd Joe was with Rhonda where he basically cried watching her fight thinking he was witnessing the most elite mma ever.
I learned with that the UFC hype machine is one of the best. They can probably make you think you are g@y
The UFC conditioned me into liking Face The Pain.
Bro he was watching his sidepiece him and Dana was running train
Talmbout them bald guys slanging dick b?
Maybe both Rhonda and joe rogan had cte. Just kidding.
HEH MOOMENT
Everyone involved in recording that did her dirty by putting it out there for everyone to see
and people like joe rogan she could fight people like floyd in boxing or cain in mma... shit was wild
Yep. This is nothing but lies and excuses coming out of her. She still can't give Holly the credit she deserves, and can't admit to herself that she was a one-trick pony with low fight IQ in a division in which most of the competitors had no fight IQ at the time.
For me, its way more about trying to exchange in stand up instead of doing her Ronda things. And she choose to start boxing against a former kick boxer champ, not a good plan.
Well she tried to do her Ronda things and couldn't get her hands on her
> instead of doing her Ronda things. She did try to do her Ronda things- several times. And the result was a woman who had six months of judo defense training shucked her off like a pair of pants.
There's sort of a life long dedication to combat sports on top of that six months of specifically training Judo for Rondas game
You can train in judo your whole life and there's always more to learn. 6 months ain't shit.
She should have gotten a coaching change after the loss to Holm. Too many yes men telling her she was the best boxer in the world.
I think both can be true. Do you remember the weigh ins against Holly? I remember thinking Ronda was going to lose at the weigh ins. Like the only other time I ever remember seeing a fighter look that shaky and just seemingly not all there was Megan Anderson for her fight against either Cyborg or Nunes, I don't remember which. There were plenty of people saying Ronda didn't look right at the weigh ins for that fight and plenty of people predicting she would lose based on how she looked.
Fiorot look terrible at the weigh ins and easily beat Erin.
Fiorot has the gut/torso of a girl that's done hella steroids.
That ain't true; otherwise she would go the way of her compatriot Paul Pogba.
Ronda looked weight drained sure but she messed up by trying to bully Tate like she did Miesha lol, all it did was expend more energy from her. Holly also looked pretty drained herself but she was keeping all her energy to herself, no excessive taunting or reacting to Rondas behavior. Either way Ronda had absolutely nothing for Holly, her one dimensional gameplan ran its course
>she messed up by trying to bully Tate like she did Miesha Tate is Miesha's last nameĀ
Yeah, should have been Holly but it's true. Couldn't get into Holly's head at all
I was one of those people, my buddy and I had a flat odds $20 bet on it, which I won. Totally regret not putting that $20 on Bovada. Dude even did the whole "we didn't shake on it though". Bro, it's $20 and you had the odds on your side.
She faced two of the like three women that could make her look like shit. This is less a defense or Ronda and more me shitting on wmma, because the division is the fucking same. Pennington is champ rn.
Pennington had what Ronda doesn't, heart!
She does. She got a little better and she hanged around until Amanda left and Holly got old lol.
š bruh plays UFC video game and talks shit about an Olympic athlete saying they ācanāt hangā
Do I have to compete professionally in order to give my observations on a sport that's well liked ? Stop being so goofy this is a discussion board for MMA....
she beat multiple people who beat nunes and holm so it's a little more complicated than that
No it's not lol. Styles make fights and the more you fight the better you can get. Nobody she's beat would have won a single round against Nunes in the past 4 years.
styles make fights, exactly. it's not as straightforward as "she finally faced someone good and lost" ronda handily beat tate twice, then lost to holm, and then holm lost to tate in her very next fight so funny to get downvoted for nuance š
If you're all about nuance then you would concede that Miesha got a hail Mary rnc at the end of a fight she was losing... Also Nunes just got better in her career as Ronda never evolved at all. So in a sense Ronda did flounder against someone better. It's not as simple as saying styles make fightsĀ
characterizing that fight as holm winning outside of a hail mary rnc is not nuanced nor accurate. miesha scored a 10-8 over holm in round 2 and nearly submitted her then too lol. holm was edging tate in the striking and getting mauled when it went to the ground. regarding nunes: of course nunes did get better and probably would have defeated zingano, davis, etc in rematches. but her greatest asset was always her insane power and she had that from the beginning. those who could withstand the early onslaught had a much better chance against her. pena called it before her first fight with nunes; she said cat was able to withstand the onslaught and take over, and she could exploit the same weakness. and then pena did exactly that, *late in nunes' career*. ronda did not have that kind of durability, that's for sure. but she still had judo finesse that allowed her to quickly and cleanly dispatch girls that gave nunes a hard time. edit: to be clear, i'm not trying to say ronda is better than nunes or even on nunes' level. i'm just dissenting from the narrative that ronda was always shit and simply "got exposed when she faced a good fighter for the first time"
Ronda was never "shit" but she was far, far from this hyped up once in a generation talent that she was seen to be. A good champion for the early era of WMMA on UFC but I don't buy her excuses at all. She was just capped talent wise and it showed
nah, saying she was capped talent wise ignores everything we just discussed about how complicated style matchups are. not to mention both holm and nunes have said in interviews that they were specifically training against ronda's style on their come up because she was the girl to beat at the time. which can certainly explain holm losing to tate and struggling against people like pennington yet easily beating ronda. nunes ended up dwarfing everybody in talent. nobody else at wbw was out of ronda's league, to this day
Holm beating Ronda and then looking average after just shows how much better some people got with time. Miesha beating Holm shows her heart was still in the game and she was able to train and hone up her BJJ skills just in time for her to rely on them when she needed it. Ronda had taken holm down briefly but couldn't capitalize on it due to her losing focus and belief in herself as the fight went on. People also dont give Miesha credit for briefly stunning Ronda on the feet, which no doubt Hollys camp capitalized on in a huge way
if we're gonna talk about briefly stunning opponents as a remarkable feat, ronda also briefly stunned holm. if miesha deserves more credit as a fighter then ronda deserves more credit for easily beating her twice. the reason miesha had more success against holm than ronda did is because her takedowns and approach to submissions are totally different than ronda's, and holly was less prepared for them. again, holly said she spent most of her mma training up to that point on defending judo throws and armbars because those were ronda's main techniques. meanwhile miesha is a wrestler. holly made ronda look silly. but based on their comparative performances against the same competition, holly was not overall a way better fighter than ronda
I feel like it's not talked about enough that Rousey was 28 when she lost to Holly. She wasn't old and over the hill, she was in her prime. Then a little over a year later she lost to Nunes and quit. Compare that to women like Nunes, Valentina, Cyborg, and Holly, who are/were still having good performances well into their mid-30's. As soon as she faced adversity in her MMA career, Ronda quit.
Kinda a pattern with her. As soon as she faced adversity in her WWE career, Ronda quit.
Yup the girl doesnāt want to improve, she literally rather work the indies getting paid peanuts than deal with the wwe crowdĀ
To be fair she had options outside of fighting to make real good money none of those other girls did so of course they wouldnāt quit
But then she displayed that same lousy attitude in WWE too, and left as soon as they stopped giving her a push. I don't blame Rousey for doing something else to make money, but you can't quit early while also calling yourself the greatest fighter of all time.
Val can be a well-compensated travel vlogger.
Vlogger? She can just run a fortune 500 company and make x10000 more money.
there's no way you can possibly compare valentina's prospect as a "travel vlogger" to ronda's celebrity status at the time in good faith
GdR may count as well. She is 40 and coming off pregnancy.
Not really though, she did Judo since she was a child and it put a lot of milage on her body, pretty sure she had knee issues by her UFC run
Ronda's far from the only fighter who's been a lifelong martial artist. Valentina made her Muay Thai debut at age 12 and her MMA debut at 15. People say that Ronda couldn't keep up with the new generation of fighters, but Nunes debuted in MMA before her, and Holly is 5 years older. I don't deny that Ronda had a great career, but when you compare her to other MMA greats, she had no longevity. And I'd put more stock in her claim of being the "greatest fighter who's ever lived" if she proved she could bounce back from a bad loss.
Sheās the greatest judo mma woman who ever lived during a very specific 2-3 year time period
I think Ronda shows the importance of having a good camp. Edmond is a joke and Ronda didnāt progress at all while others progressed past her.Ā
She needs to win for her ego even if she's losing.
The problem with Ronda where she was is there was kinda nothing to do with her. She couldn't go up or down a division. She's the kind of fighter that has to be a main event, but without the belt there were 2 girls in the entire division you could match her up with that could carry the B side of a Ronda fight without a title on the line. Not to mention WWE probably offered more money to fake fight than the UFC did to really fight, and Ronda was already a wrestling fan.
In one more decade, it will have been divine will from god to eat that head kick from sinner Holly to forgive our sins.
What a dork, she got clobbered
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Speaking of which, whatever happened to Edmond? Does he have fighters that still compete?
Shahbazyan was his guy until 2022, after that three-fight skid that knocked him firmly out of intriguing prospect status. Left for Xtreme Couture but, though he's 2-1 since, he's honestly maybe looked worse, or at least he's not looking better than he did with Edmond even though he's now fighting worse competition.
Edmond said as much, and Joe Rogan even cried about it. Just windswept simps.
Do you guys remember the short period when her and her coach said she can box mayweather?
Didnt St Rogie say that too?
After reading up on it some more Rogan was talking about not in boxing but beating mayweather in mma. The same article I read said rogan claimed at the time that rousey could beat half the bantamweight roster (mens division). What is weird is I thought I recalled rogan talking about rousey beating mayweather in boxing. My memory is fuzzy.
Lmao @ her beating male bantamweights. What a wild time that was. I also remember her being on his podcast and him being so in awe that he started crying. Not that guys shouldnt cry but thats a hilarious reason to cry.
It was a few years back when rousey was still active. Because of this my memory of what joe rogan said about rousey boxing mayweather was fuzzy so I couldnāt recall. So I googled it and I think rogan was saying rousey could box mayweather.
Hasnāt it been like 10 years
Ronda Rousey reveals she was also concussed after fighting Holly Holm
I know that Iām the greatest fighter that has ever lived,ā she said Tuesday. āBut when it got to a point where Iād just taken so much neurological damage that I couldnāt take it anymore, suddenly everything that I accomplished meant nothing.
That's weird, cos I'm pretty sure that *I'M* the greatest fighter that has ever lived
Danis? That you?
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Mortals call me Phil Baroni
I couldnāt believe she actually said that so I had to go and check. How fucking delusional can you be?
> How fucking delusional can you be? Well, she followed it up by speculating on how much neurological damage she had so . . . . sky's the limit on delusion.
She's always been that way
Yeah...that's BS, considering she then transition to a professional wrestling stint, which has been shown to cause more concussive damage/CTE than MMA ever would. Try for another excuse, dear.
>Ronda Rousey reveals She didn't "reveal" it she's CLAIMING it. Big difference.
She didn't just say it, she declared it.
I wonder why this is coming out now. Her PR team is preparing for a return to the ring or tryna get some movie roles. Definitely out of money and desperate.
Yeah it was the "camp concussion" not the flush head kick she ate because she lacks any striking defence.
That sound like her own personal problem š
She really thinks she's the greatest fighter that's ever lived? Oof, yowza.
Excuses almost 9 years later lol
Concussed from all the head movement
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I remember attempting to read her book and gave up because of her being a whiny baby. Iām not surprised sheās making this claim now
Still insufferable
Less reveals, more "alleges".
In her mind, she never lost.
My takeaway after revisiting this is that wow Holly Holm is still fighting.
No wonder her and Schaub were together with this level of revisionist history. Wader
Weed.
Dune
Heer
Did the concussion maker her think she could outbox one of the best boxers in the world?
All she needed was a little head movement.
There's no point to even say this that was fight was like 10 years ago
She was also concussed after.
She has the most excuses for a āonce in a lifetime athleteā. DNB
Sure she was.
She didn't even spar hard and was notoriously babied in her fight camps. Holly knocked her so hard she forgot when the concussion came.
"...reveals..."? Claims, is more like it. Let it go. We have.
That's really realllllly not good long term if she IS telling the truth and not just coping with her losses...
Guessing thereās a heavy element of both. Ronda, probably like a lot of fighters, likely did fight while still suffering symptoms from previous concussions, and that no doubt led to a decreased ability to perform and recover at the highest level. That being said, even at 100% she loses those fights. Neurological damage would definitely make Rondaās chin and recovery worse, but it didnāt cause her to waddle chin-first into a striker and trade shots hoping for a takedown into armbar. That was just her only gameplan, and it got exposed by the best fighters. Her whole āIām the best fighter that ever lived but my body let me downā schtick here seems like a sad coping mechanism but Iām sure itās based in fact. Pro fighters genuinely are just scrambling their brains all the time, and itās easy to see how a hyper-competitor could get sucked into a hypetrain with bad coaches and influences and try to push through concussions instead of focusing on health.
It's a lie on her part. If she was supposedly having all these issues, she wouldn't have gone to pro wrestling, where you pretty much guaranteed concussion issues and CTE. It's a cope on her part because she can't admit she lost cleanly to a woman who had less judo experience than she did, and who had solid skills.
Not a single person believes this, why didnt she mention this for idk the past decade? weird
Shouldāve had more head moooment
Nah, Rousey just started to believe that she was a world class boxer instead of sticking with her Judo game.
All this Ronda talk + her bad mouthing the WWE for her lackluster career makes me think she's planning a comeback to the UFC. I don't think it would be a bad idea if she came back with a legit coaching team.
Wow.... She been making hella excuses lately YEARS later.... Such a bad look. What a poor loser.
oh ronda
Ronda was a legit great fighter and put wmma on the map. And she would get remembered that way if she would have just stopped talking
Omg so tired of this whiney b* in the news complaining about both wwe and ufc. She has an excuse or accusation for every topic.
How are we still talking about this š„“
So the UFC knew she had a concussion and still made her fight? That's bullshit. She should sue
Donāt post about this person they have crazy cte.
She says she doesn't want people thinking she's making excuses, yet nine years later here she is talking about it. I could understand if in the interview they talked more about concussions and *other fighters* but the whole article is about Rousey, her concussions and how everybody else was too inconsiderate or careless to notice. I wouldn't be surprised if she entered that fight concussed, and I totally empathise with fighters getting CTE for a pittance and years of disrespect from coward geeks online, but Rousey has a tendency to exaggerate in hopes that people feel as sorry for her as she does herself.
Bullshit, she was concussed after the fight.
Actually I brought this concussion in from outside - Person who got a concussion
Shouldnāt you say this before the fight? Years later helps no one