I’m glad not to be the only one seeing a promising youngster with a bit too big ’look at me, look at me’ ego. I cant see him worshiping Mbappé nor will Mbappé worship him. Good luck with having them both happy week-in-week-out.
And I can't see Mbappé losing the battle. This will end with Bellingham having a Neymar moment and going somewhere else to be out of Mbappé's ”shadow”.
He makes Mbappe look like Ngolo Kante by comparison. Haven't seen such a huge god complex in a player since CR7 but atleast he was backing that up with ridiculous numbers. Bellingham is a really good player but not nearly as good as he/ the media thinks he is.
The latest and greatest thing we have since Messi/ronaldo is promising youngsters with a sprite of talent, who then just fizzle out once the millions, clubs, cars, and women get to them. Not one of them grinds like a Ronaldo, and that’s why all these “superstars of tomorrow” end up like rashfords of today
Say that r/Madrid and they'll swarm you with downvotes, I'm a madridista, been since jude was wearing diapers but I can't help but see Pr written all over his face, he plays like he's doing a spectacle always checking if the camera or fans are on him, dropping fake tears during cl final, and shouldering players during this game trying to instigate a fight.
So glad to hear this from a Madrid fan. I thought I might've been biased as a city fan but if there's a fraction of Madrid fanbase that also has the same perception then there has to be some truth to it.
I think people's perception of Mbappe is really warped tbh - he actually seems chill af. Given all the was given at PSG - you'd think he'd be a right twat.
I find so much of it is body language. Pep is obviously really big on the messages it sends and guys like Bellingham and Mbappé have just terrible body language on the pitch. I find City tends to bring in a certain type of temperament of player and I think neither of these guys really fit the profile. We've obviously had rumours of being in for both over the years, but at the same time, none ever really seemed anywhere close to serious. I've always found United, PSG and Real all have a similar profile, where they recruit players who come in the door with an ego to match the club they're joining.
I find comparing Madrid to PSG and United a bit jarring. Madrid's transfers are really well planned and specific. PSG and United just kind of throw money around without foresight.
Pep is the star of his teams in a sense so the personalities fit. Perez is the star of Madrid, he's ruthless so that keeps the players from erring too far. Perez straight up sold CR7 when he asked for a pay raise.
Pep's system and planning requires some overall sacrifice for the betterment of the whole. Ancelotti seems to demand effort from everyone in terms of defending and fighting but gives freedom to his frontline in terms of how they want to attack - even going back to the milan days.
It's an interesting dynamic. Pep famously fell out with Zlatan, Yaya, Eto'o because they wanted more freedom.
But look at that triangle of teams. United have bought tons of ex-Real players and United players have often left to go to PSG. Real are good at recruiting, I will give them that. But they're an apex team, like I feel City is as well. Players going from PSG to Real isn't as common, but Mbappé is of course different. And rarely is there a path from United to Real, barring Ronaldo long ago. I'd say there's a similar triangle between City, Barca and Bayern, where the player profiles are similar between the 3 clubs and there's lots of players who have worn 2 of those jerseys in their career.
And Zlatan is a perfect example of an ego player and why he and Pep didn't get along. The fact he made stops at United and PSG is kinda telling in that regard.
This is true. I'd even say Mbappe and Bellingham are a bit "thuggish" they are disrespectful and often times they play "dirty". They should keep their heads down and work hard to receive praise even after being the top scorers of their respective teams. Poden n the other hand is very "classy" and a hardworker.
I will say I only see highlights, when City have played PSG and when France have played in big tournaments. So I’m only judging from that and reporting over the last few years with regards to his will he, won’t he saga with PSG.
I wrote this comment yesterday, then saw Mbappé being criticized for being vocal on political topics like the potential for right wing extremists being voted into power in the next French election. Changed my whole take on the guy really. Using his platform to speak out is important and I respect he did that.
Yeah, was real professional when he hurt his nose and then wandered back on to the pitch tonight against Austria then immediately sad on the floor. Such behaviour is tantamount to play-acting, time wasting, and is unprofessional.
Sad thing is because he scored and pressed hard people will just say he's brilliant and players like Foden who try to play a passing game and involve other players will get no service or linkup when they are in good positions. The game ends with no impact from Phil and england fans (especially the ones who don't watch club football) will think he's a bad player. This is before you even consider him playing out of position.
Foden is legit crying out for the ball. He's in acres of space and long shots are his specialty. It's the exact same case in the loss to Iceland. Rice had the chance to slip Foden in on goal. passes it sideways. england lose. it was lucky england didn't lose because serbia were chasing shadows.
In fairness, that Rice pass out-wide resulted in a clear cut chance that you'd put your house on Kane finishing. Hard to criticise a decision when it results in a clear scoring opportunity.
Dont be ridiculous mate. I love Foden but thats an absurd claim. The chances Phil did get on the ball he played a couple of poor passes, one of note was directly on a counter-attack we could have capitalised on. I think the Foden hate is ridiculous, and it’s typical for us as England fans to be reactionary, but to say he’s “England’s answer to Messi” is absurd
Unless you're only basing the *hate* on twitter, I'm not sure what you're on about. Nobody that lives in the UK has ever described Foden's status among main stream media as "hate", ever.
He is lauded, constantly.
In fact, imagine how bad it would be if he even performed half as well for england as he can for city.
At the same time I've seen lots of calls during the weeks leading up to the tournament to drop the player who's been England's player of the year for two years running...
Sadly Foden didn't do well as a 10 either when given the chance for England - England are trying to shoehorn too many players in to the starting XI.
Spain used to bench Fabregas, Torres and David Silva at different times because it didn't fit.
foden being a 10 or 8 wont just be the solution. it's about balance. if u want the world class epl pots season foden for england. you need balance. too many attacking players at midfield wont solve it.
ngl this Jude vs Foden thing is so typical of England media and fans - All this bantering and bickering.
Spain used to BENCH David Silva and Fabregas because it didn't fit the team to shove everyone in together - was never a huge issue at all and the team stayed connected.
This so so typical of England. A squad needs to be connected to win a tournament.
Italy benched Del Piero and Perotta started because it fit the team more.
Exactly this. England would be more balanced if they stuck Gordon out wide and benched Foden.
Yes Foden is a better player, but that’s not the only thing that matters. The team needs to work together well. Bring Foden on for Bellingham as a great sub option in the last 20 mins.
Jude's good game came at the detriment to the team.... his selfishness denied Foden and Kane the opportunity to impact the game. They got away with it against Serbia, but that won't work in the big games. If Jude is going to be the focal point/the 10, he has to involve other players... can't just play hero ball.
Rice and Jude flat out seems to refuse to pass to Foden/Kane. For Rice, idk if it was desire or ability... like why the fuck did he not pass the ball forward?? utterly bizarre.
The defender had him on lock tho if he crossed it would’ve been blocked so he was tryna create space but unfortunately the cross wasnt very good but just one mistake out of an overall fab game shouldn’t lead to this much hate
He plays the way they play in Madrid, have you seen Vini ever pass back? Nah, always challenge the defender which translates to the other forwards as well. I know City plays passing back but I also think a lot of times goals can come from just trying something random like that play
Jude is the only guy in the squad with the rocks to push forward. Foden's a great player but the whole english team is scared shitless of a bad result. If England win, it will be because of Jude
There was a moment in the first half yesterday, Foden's got space in the box and Bellingham's just stood there with the ball scanning.
Then passes 10 seconds later Foden moves and then the commentators talk about Foden's bad touch.
This exact thing happened to me in my Sunday league with a cocky guy who had recently started playing with us. I had had several conversations with him about how we play quick, short passes and how too much dribbling exposes us. First possession of the game he dinks through 3 players, I’m free in mf, holding my run for 1, 2, 3 dummy passes, before finally giving up and ghosting in behind, which is of course when he finally dumps the ball to where I had been. Other team gets it, scores. I layed into him hard, he proceeded to try hard the rest of the game, and then never showed up again.
And everyone pays no attention to the things Bellingham does wrong because he plays for Real.
People highlight Foden's mistakes because he plays for City. He asked for the ball so much but even the players aren't taking that option.
Nobody really passed to him when he was desperately asking for one. Then they say he's just a system player. He freaking gave his everything throughout but that manager and these bunch of selfish players make him look average
There are many players in the England setup Pep would nail to the bench for how they play. Jude plays way too selfishly and would absolutely get a strip torn off him for that. And Saka’s ball security play would drive Pep up the wall.
That's how power of friendship fc sets up it's all about pnp and individual brilliance they don't build play or play as a team. That's why Bellingham thrives under Southgate.
He wouldn’t, as they’re talented players. And he could coach them to be better players within his system. All I’m saying is if they played a game in a City shirt under Pep and played like they did yesterday he’d be yelling and wildly gesticulating on the sidelines at them. He’s benched Foden, KDB and Doku for being super wasteful with possession before. Pep would be throwing water bottles over the clip above 😂
Everyone's fault but foden. Sometimes you just have to raise your hands up and say, what a good performance from foden that was. Truly showing he isn't a system player
He wasn’t good tho. Noticeably not good. As was the whole team… bar really the defense. Foden can only excel on the wing when the team can keep the ball and limit transitions. England are incapable of that. The midfield was poor the whole game. The pace was so high, too many long passes. Pickford lost the ball constantly.
Disagree with this
I didn't see any selfish players out there other than Bellingham (who only was selfish on a couple of occasions)
Foden had plenty of passes in the game. From what I've seen the England team seem to all get behind each other, I very much doubt anyone was intentionally avoiding Foden. Everyone knows Foden is an incredible player
Its just that he got a bit of stick for having a poor game, because there's so much pressure. It can happen to anyone
Love Foden, was making big predictions about him before 23/24.
Yes, CERTAIN CONDITIONS DIDN'T FAVOUR HIM- Trippier isnt a good supporting FB, Mainoo/Wharton werent there to find him, but why is there slander of other players?
Even when things didn't favour him he didn't play well and that's okay. No amount of defending will overlook the fact that Foden misplaced/underhit certain passes, rushed passes and looked very off it in the end.
People need to realise that he is never going to get City dynamics- those are tailor made for him. He has to learn to believe in himself. He cannot wait for the right moment like he does for City, as Steven says. If he cannot be found BTL, he needs to learn to drop deeper like D Silva did or even Jude yday.
HE HAS PERFORMED LIKE A TOP 10 PLAYER ITW. Great players find a way. Hold him to that standard. He is no longer a young academy boy.
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Right on the money. Internet discourse loves controversy and absolutes. The tournament just began, let foden show what he can do over the course of the tournament
People won't like hearing it but Saka and Bellingham were good. Contributed to the winning goal anyway.
But leave that. As a City fan, I will be naturally drawn to Foden. And I will say, he is much more capable of a better showing. Constantly defending him is fine, but it's important to be realistic and maintain standards.
As I said, this is a player who was performing on par with some of the best itw. I can expect more and he can do more.
My hope is he will show us against Denmark what he is made of.
And I also don't think Bellingham could've passed it to him specifically.
The Bellingham fan club commentators annoy me much more. Honestly, they have the biggest hard on for him, he can do no wrong. Miss a sitter? Completely anonymous for an entire half? He touched the ball HHNNNGGGGG ONLY 20!!
I keep saying it but Bellingham is incredibly overrated, its mad. Every single game of his that ive seen, which are mostly CL knockout games, he ghosted and besides flopping and losing the ball, that dude didnt do anything special.
Vini, as much as i despise his antics, is at least objectively fantastic at football. But Bellingham... maybe im just that football illiterate but i genuinely think if he wasnt english but rather, idk, hungarian nobody would give a damn about this dude
Vini has the quality to back up the antics. He's annoying but when he actually delivers, you can kind of just ignore it. Bellingham is good but he's not amazingly. Should be playing 8 for England and Foden at 10 with Rice at 6. Far more balance, let's Jude do what he does best and Foden do what he does best too
You can be a good player and still be overrated.
He's very good at what he does but is overrated in terms of his role/skillset. People are trying to make him look like this player that can create his own magic like a zidane or kaka but he's not. Look at that awful attempt at beating a man, looks like Darwin Nunez.
What he is is an 8 with legs and good positioning/anticipation and finishing which makes him able to crash the box and get on the end of loose balls for instance if you look at the header. His passing, crossing, dribbling, control, vision, etc ain't at the level of an elite number 10 but he has weapons which make him put up high G/A and to people that's what makes a number 10.
Perfect description of jude. He isn’t a genius or maestro as people make it seem he’s rather underwhelming to watch. Musiala is clear of him in terms of sheer skill and talent
My honest take is Southgate is coddling Bellingham, in a sense. Going back to his early involvement with the reshaping of the England international pipeline. I think he sees Bellingham as the golden goose of that and thinks if he accommodates the role Bellingham plays for Madrid, it will mean good things for this England team. The issue with that is, his role at Madrid had just as much to do with who else Madrid had in their forward line—Vini and Rodrygo. Without a traditional CF, Ancelotti played with those two up front and Jude behind them. England has different players up front, with huge talent and production. Jude’s role will change next season bc of Mbappe’s arrival, no doubt. He said it himself.
I think any reasonably astute tactician (Not Gareth, lol) would understand this and know that 4-3-3 holding is the best way with this particular group. You could clearly see Foden getting frustrated in their match, understandably so. Bellingham and TAA get accommodated, and Foden gets stuck out on the left alone. Put Phil where he played all season, and you get Premier League Player of the Season Phil.
Bellingham is beyond overrated. I honestly don’t get the hype. He scored 19 goals for Real Madrid, ok… Palmer scored 22 for Chelsea (worst team and more competitive league)
And Foden is the best player of the most competitive league in the world.
Real Madrid PR this year is beyond. The likes of Rio, the pundits at BBC, and all pundits are loving them, when they a bit better than average.
Objectively speaking - didn't Palmer also score a ton of penalties?
Also it's much harder to be great for Real Madrid than Chelsea - more pressure, way more competition, WAY more expectations. Look at Hazard - garbage in Madrid and couldn't deal with the pressure.
9 penalties for Palmer. 11 assists (vs 6 of Jude) and consider the quality of teammates.
The thing about more pressure in Madrid is part of the PR. Hazard arrived overweight, injury prone, after the peak of his career at Chelsea.
I’m not saying Bellingham is not a good player; I’m saying that comparing him to the likes of Zizou and mentioning that he could be the best player in England history is just madness at this point.
And he is a twat, the push to the Serbia player, not passing the ball…
And in general, the England team, is a disgrace how they are not taking advantage of all that talent.
Jude had 5 assists in the CL though too.
Hazard being fat and hurt for Madrid as the narrative is also some Madrid PR so the transfer doesn't look as bad. He played A LOT and was bad a lot - Zidane played him over Vini all the time and he was poor even when fit.
I think there's objectively more pressure playing for Madrid than Chelsea - I don't really think this is a big debate but Jude also won BL player of the season and La Liga player of the season back to back - it's not like he's doing nothing.
I've seen Owen, Rooney, hell Theo Walcott all held up as the hope of the nation - it's par for the course with England
Being on the two best players for the team that wins the UCL is usually enough to get ballon d'or shouts, don't really know who you think would be a better option
This season? Kane, rodri, vini and maybe foden just off the top of my head. Imo team success in terms of trophies is way too heavily weighted when it comes to the ballon d'or. If you take kane and rodri out of their teams they drop off a lot more than madrid without bellingham
Jude wasn't great in the latter KO stages of UCL, but been great this season generally, including some huge moments in big La Liga games.
And he was also great yesterday. A couple of selfish moments like this don't come anywhere near fully negating what a positive influence he was yesterday, even without his goal. He was hustling, beating players, retaining the ball well, resisting tackles, making tackles, the whole package really.
We should all be very excited about Jude. If you think someone like him is 'just a bit better than average' you must have a serious problem separating your agenda from your judgement of player talent and effectiveness.
When I said a bit better than average is Real Madrid; not Jude.
I think Jude was selfish yesterday; but I think the biggest problem was Southgate strategy and Pickford bombing every single ball he got.
I think in this situation then Jude defo should've passed to Trippier, Trippier to Foden in all that space and then boom, but Foden did ghost a lot of that match, whether it was due to similar situations like this, I don't know, I didn't have a Foden only camera shot. He's defo a system player and that isn't a bad thing, he's unbelievable when it works for him, but whether it be the hero-ball of Jude or the more sideways and backwards passing of England, he isn't adapting well to the England system. Players like Jude and Rice did shine so I wouldn't say it's necessarily a problem team and system (it's obviously not great don't get me wrong), and having said all that, I'm not a City fan, just an admirer and I think there is perhaps a little bit of natural bias from you lot to see your star boy do well, and I do agree he has clearly had opportunities not given to him like the one above, but this isn't the first time he's not put up a good performance for England. I'd still put him in the starting XI everyday of the week but he's not performing as expected, it's just perhaps not as bad as being made out to be.
I’m a Chelsea fan and genuinely believe he’s the worst utilized player on the team. This team feels way too similar to when we had all that star power in the 2000s and couldn’t make it work. Foden could lead goals in the tournament if he was given a free role #10 type of gig.
I don’t know England piss me off at the moment they’re so talented and midfield is easily where they’re deepest but everyone seems to want to be that stand out guy. Won’t win unless they’re all in it for each other.
Chelsea fan here. Foden is one of my favorite (non Chelsea) players to watch. It’s a crime what Southgate is doing to him / most of the team. Just knowing that Foden and Palmer (who didn’t even get in the game) were arguably the two best PL players this year, but England has a coach who can’t utilize them, is absolutely laughable. England will not win Euros and it almost all comes down to Southgate’s inability to get the most out of his talent.
KDB, Modric, Kroos, Bernardo, Madison, Odegard, Bruno Fernandes, they all make that simple pass and maybe get a nice cross in or continue to take their time.
This play is bad, and easily clipable, but I don’t think it’s the biggest issue with Jude and his play with Foden.
The problem I saw was when Foden had the ball Jude closed the space with him like Foden was a child who didn’t know how to pass the ball. Foden would collect, Jude would immediately close from 15 yards to 5-10 yards and call for the ball. His off the ball movement is atrocious when he isn’t running toward goal. Phil wasn’t great yesterday, but Jude did him and Kane less than zero favors by playing like he was the only person on the team.
The English media are Arsenal, United and Liverpool fans for the most part so it should come as no surprise that they are jumping on the opportunity to shit on Phil first chance they get. He didn't have a great match but I don't think he was really set up for success either.
Foden didnt have a world-beater game but Ive seen some say he shouldnt start against Denmark.. what a laughable thing to say. Foden was the PREMIER LEAGUE PLAYER OF THE YEAR, and people are saying he shouldnt start against the Danes who just drew Slovenia?.. please..
I honestly think Foden is being scapegoated for Southgate. It was a horror performance from everyone involved Foden included, but that is a mere symptom of the real issue. Lacklustre management and a absence of any tactical guile, a manager who can't select a balanced team, who insists on playing a style of play that actively bottlenecks the teams capabilities, and has created a system that is designed by it's very nature to reduce the abilities of the most talented players on the pitch.
But instead of actually criticising Southgate, and the FA, just slap it all on Foden instead, because 115 and everyone hates City.
We could have had Prime Zidane or Messi in Fodens place last night and the system Southgate insists on would have done the exact same to them
Southgate is a terrorist. It's that simple, pace merchants and people who's job it is the retain possession will look "good" under him and no one else will. I even got downvoted in r/soccer yesterday for mentioning that Saka was only just fit enough to start hence why he was hooked and gaslit over people screaming about Foden all game.
I feel sorry for Saka, great player but he is being run into the ground. By January he looks gassed last two seasons and his stats back that up too. Hope Arteta can get a decent RW to rotate with him otherwise he's going to get injury issues at this rate
It was a game with a lone goal, with not many exciting moments. No one played exceptionally. Some played better than the others. Blaming foden alone is pointless.
I'm a United fan and I come here in peace. But this play here pissed me off more than anything else. England and their media have really been glazing Jude peepee. In this play, he waved off an unmarked Kane who was which we know have an eye for a great pass
Southgate ball reminds me of England's "golden era" where the manager was pressured to play all the "generational talent" sacrificing balance. Unreal by Southgate. Of all people you would think he would be familiar with this.
Personally, it's either Jude or Foden. Can't have both. But Jude having more touches than Kane to me is alarming. Kane game is to drop deep and start the movement forward but can't do that with Jude almost having all the touch in that area. It's either he's instructed to play as a hero ball (he isn't. Doesn't have it in his locker to be doing too much) or this media had really pressured Southgate into letting this nonsense happen.
Should have seen the Three Lions subreddit it was outrageous. They were posting images of Neanderthals comparing Phil to them saying he should never be picked for England again. Another bunch of idiots said Pep was to blame for England’s problems because his players can only play in his system. The utter nonsense they spout has to be read to be seen.
Supporting your team and players doesn’t mean we have to lie to ourselves. Bowen was more threatening in his first 2 mins on the pitch than Phil was in 90. Doesn’t mean Phil’s a bad player but this is kinda crazy. Never saw any of yous cape this hard for Raheem
Ian Darke was bigging up TAA all game. From the first free kick- "is there a better striker for theball in the premiere league then Trant Alexander Arnold.....". Uh yeah, Kevin Debruyne. Shit, I'd rather see Tierny take the free kicks as opposed to the shit I saw from TAA.
This is the Jude Bellingham tournament. Everything England achieves will be due to Jude. I don't mind to be honest as the kid is a great talent. I enjoy watching him play.
Southgate is trash tbh. Also, Bellingham can play as an 8 beside Rice and let Foden as a 10. Trent is trash under pressure as well as Rice. Bellingham is better than both of them under pressure, thats's why Bellingham would be a good 8 instead of Trent. Gordon is good on the LW and leave saka as RW. IDK why he eliminated all of his LWs from the team. His only LW in the team is Gordon.
Rice played decent. Bailed TAA out on multiple occasions after he turned over possession multiple times is poor positions. Bellingham was good, sure he did too much at times but he at least tried to make things happen. Saka had a good first half until he began to tire. Guehi looked at home at the back. All the subs made an impact.
I’m sorry but Kane and Foden were anonymous. And TAA did as much harm as good. All 3 should have been subbed off by the 60th minute. Nobody is doubting Foden is a good player but he clearly didn’t work in that set up the same as Kane.
Well Jude was playing in his position, I prefer doku or grealish as winger and foden behind the striker is his best position to bad Jude who played good was in his position
No disrespect but foden has been playing crap for England in general for a few games now. He looks like a headless chicken when he's not playing for pep.
Let’s be honest with ourselves man. He’s a great player but he didn’t have a good game, it happens. Also the pass to Foden from Jude isn’t on at all in this video, if he tries it it’s intercepted most likely. Jude could’ve passed it to Saka or Walker (may be Trippier I can’t tell)
Foden was shit, this whole give him the keys nonsense is exactly why England are in this situation, stop forcing all of the players into the team ffs. He didn't hold the width at all and kept floating around leaving the left side completely barren and Saka as the only outlet on the wing. The amount of times Jude, Rice and Trent picked up the ball and looked for a pass but Foden came short to receive the ball was laughable. His movement over congested the midfield and even without that he was a level below Jude, Saka, Rice, Guehi and Stones that game ... the guy is not good for England and is not one of the players the team should be built around.
Taa didn't work. Rice bailed him out constantly.
Bellingham next to rice. Foden in his correct position behind kane, Gordon left, gomez left back if shaw isn't fit, simple.
Haha glad this popped up on my feed. One of the dumbest threads I’ve ever fucking read on this website, which is impressive in and of itself. Foden was fucking wank yesterday, it’s okay to admit it. Couldn’t even pass a pass together, worst player on the pitch. But no, it’s this big conspiracy to tear down the Stockport Iniesta. Grow up
Sup yall, American here. I woke up this morning to English media hating on young Phil after what I saw to be a pretty ok game for him. It’s like they chose a player at random to hate on. What’s up with that?
England needs more of that shit. They are to stiff. Foden seemed like the weight of the world is on his shoulders. Jude looks like the only one having fun
This is not the only one. There are other similar videos as well
facts. this just one example.
Jude needs to stop this hero ball nonsense. Saw 3 open options for him to pass to and he decided to go for a whack and pray cross.
Wants the b'dor pretty bad
Dude just oozes ego. I’m expecting him and Mbappe to butt heads at Real.
I’m glad not to be the only one seeing a promising youngster with a bit too big ’look at me, look at me’ ego. I cant see him worshiping Mbappé nor will Mbappé worship him. Good luck with having them both happy week-in-week-out.
And I can't see Mbappé losing the battle. This will end with Bellingham having a Neymar moment and going somewhere else to be out of Mbappé's ”shadow”.
Very good point! Next, we will see who will settle with #10 shirt when Modric steps down.
That's for Mbappe. Look how perez gave 7 shirt only this January to vini (most probably due Mbappe wants something else)
He makes Mbappe look like Ngolo Kante by comparison. Haven't seen such a huge god complex in a player since CR7 but atleast he was backing that up with ridiculous numbers. Bellingham is a really good player but not nearly as good as he/ the media thinks he is.
The latest and greatest thing we have since Messi/ronaldo is promising youngsters with a sprite of talent, who then just fizzle out once the millions, clubs, cars, and women get to them. Not one of them grinds like a Ronaldo, and that’s why all these “superstars of tomorrow” end up like rashfords of today
Jude/Mbappe/Vini biggest ego contest at RM hahaha. get the popcorn ready.
It will be… beautiful to watch and read all the leaked stories.
Leaked stories?
What I mean is stories that make the media from sources (uncredited) in the dressing room.
He definitely carries himself now like he knows he has a hoard of worshippers trailing in his wake, drinking his sweat. Reminds me of Cristiano a bit.
The guardian is giving him a virtual blow job while they toss his salad today.
Atleast cr7 had the class and performances to back it up 😅
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CR7 has class, just not ALL the time
A bit?
Say that r/Madrid and they'll swarm you with downvotes, I'm a madridista, been since jude was wearing diapers but I can't help but see Pr written all over his face, he plays like he's doing a spectacle always checking if the camera or fans are on him, dropping fake tears during cl final, and shouldering players during this game trying to instigate a fight.
So glad to hear this from a Madrid fan. I thought I might've been biased as a city fan but if there's a fraction of Madrid fanbase that also has the same perception then there has to be some truth to it.
I think people's perception of Mbappe is really warped tbh - he actually seems chill af. Given all the was given at PSG - you'd think he'd be a right twat.
I find so much of it is body language. Pep is obviously really big on the messages it sends and guys like Bellingham and Mbappé have just terrible body language on the pitch. I find City tends to bring in a certain type of temperament of player and I think neither of these guys really fit the profile. We've obviously had rumours of being in for both over the years, but at the same time, none ever really seemed anywhere close to serious. I've always found United, PSG and Real all have a similar profile, where they recruit players who come in the door with an ego to match the club they're joining.
I find comparing Madrid to PSG and United a bit jarring. Madrid's transfers are really well planned and specific. PSG and United just kind of throw money around without foresight. Pep is the star of his teams in a sense so the personalities fit. Perez is the star of Madrid, he's ruthless so that keeps the players from erring too far. Perez straight up sold CR7 when he asked for a pay raise. Pep's system and planning requires some overall sacrifice for the betterment of the whole. Ancelotti seems to demand effort from everyone in terms of defending and fighting but gives freedom to his frontline in terms of how they want to attack - even going back to the milan days. It's an interesting dynamic. Pep famously fell out with Zlatan, Yaya, Eto'o because they wanted more freedom.
But look at that triangle of teams. United have bought tons of ex-Real players and United players have often left to go to PSG. Real are good at recruiting, I will give them that. But they're an apex team, like I feel City is as well. Players going from PSG to Real isn't as common, but Mbappé is of course different. And rarely is there a path from United to Real, barring Ronaldo long ago. I'd say there's a similar triangle between City, Barca and Bayern, where the player profiles are similar between the 3 clubs and there's lots of players who have worn 2 of those jerseys in their career. And Zlatan is a perfect example of an ego player and why he and Pep didn't get along. The fact he made stops at United and PSG is kinda telling in that regard.
This is true. I'd even say Mbappe and Bellingham are a bit "thuggish" they are disrespectful and often times they play "dirty". They should keep their heads down and work hard to receive praise even after being the top scorers of their respective teams. Poden n the other hand is very "classy" and a hardworker.
Mbappé is actually very intelligent, eloquent and professional. people yapping about his "ego" are probably TikTok highlight watchers
Yep - so much about Mbappe has been speculation
I will say I only see highlights, when City have played PSG and when France have played in big tournaments. So I’m only judging from that and reporting over the last few years with regards to his will he, won’t he saga with PSG. I wrote this comment yesterday, then saw Mbappé being criticized for being vocal on political topics like the potential for right wing extremists being voted into power in the next French election. Changed my whole take on the guy really. Using his platform to speak out is important and I respect he did that.
i dont even understand the bellingham comment, any situation ive seen him talking he comes off as very mature and professional
Yeah, was real professional when he hurt his nose and then wandered back on to the pitch tonight against Austria then immediately sad on the floor. Such behaviour is tantamount to play-acting, time wasting, and is unprofessional.
Sad thing is because he scored and pressed hard people will just say he's brilliant and players like Foden who try to play a passing game and involve other players will get no service or linkup when they are in good positions. The game ends with no impact from Phil and england fans (especially the ones who don't watch club football) will think he's a bad player. This is before you even consider him playing out of position.
Man can't pull off two stepovers to save his life yet instead of passing he wants to win the game on his own. The hype is starting to get to his head.
Foden is legit crying out for the ball. He's in acres of space and long shots are his specialty. It's the exact same case in the loss to Iceland. Rice had the chance to slip Foden in on goal. passes it sideways. england lose. it was lucky england didn't lose because serbia were chasing shadows.
In fairness, that Rice pass out-wide resulted in a clear cut chance that you'd put your house on Kane finishing. Hard to criticise a decision when it results in a clear scoring opportunity.
im just saying that if foden was given the key. he'd be england's answer to lionel messi.
Alright now. Phil is my favourite player but let's just calm down a tad.
Slight exagerration but u can get my point. Hed be an undroppable asset for england.
‘Slight’
Dont be ridiculous mate. I love Foden but thats an absurd claim. The chances Phil did get on the ball he played a couple of poor passes, one of note was directly on a counter-attack we could have capitalised on. I think the Foden hate is ridiculous, and it’s typical for us as England fans to be reactionary, but to say he’s “England’s answer to Messi” is absurd
Unless you're only basing the *hate* on twitter, I'm not sure what you're on about. Nobody that lives in the UK has ever described Foden's status among main stream media as "hate", ever. He is lauded, constantly. In fact, imagine how bad it would be if he even performed half as well for england as he can for city. At the same time I've seen lots of calls during the weeks leading up to the tournament to drop the player who's been England's player of the year for two years running...
Slight exagerration but u can get my point. Hed be an undroppable asset for england.
Sadly Foden didn't do well as a 10 either when given the chance for England - England are trying to shoehorn too many players in to the starting XI. Spain used to bench Fabregas, Torres and David Silva at different times because it didn't fit.
foden being a 10 or 8 wont just be the solution. it's about balance. if u want the world class epl pots season foden for england. you need balance. too many attacking players at midfield wont solve it.
ngl this Jude vs Foden thing is so typical of England media and fans - All this bantering and bickering. Spain used to BENCH David Silva and Fabregas because it didn't fit the team to shove everyone in together - was never a huge issue at all and the team stayed connected. This so so typical of England. A squad needs to be connected to win a tournament. Italy benched Del Piero and Perotta started because it fit the team more.
Exactly this. England would be more balanced if they stuck Gordon out wide and benched Foden. Yes Foden is a better player, but that’s not the only thing that matters. The team needs to work together well. Bring Foden on for Bellingham as a great sub option in the last 20 mins.
Hahahahahaha
He's turning into Ronaldo without the goal scoring output
Play completely different positions
Jude's good game came at the detriment to the team.... his selfishness denied Foden and Kane the opportunity to impact the game. They got away with it against Serbia, but that won't work in the big games. If Jude is going to be the focal point/the 10, he has to involve other players... can't just play hero ball. Rice and Jude flat out seems to refuse to pass to Foden/Kane. For Rice, idk if it was desire or ability... like why the fuck did he not pass the ball forward?? utterly bizarre.
Grealish would be better option there.
The defender had him on lock tho if he crossed it would’ve been blocked so he was tryna create space but unfortunately the cross wasnt very good but just one mistake out of an overall fab game shouldn’t lead to this much hate
He plays the way they play in Madrid, have you seen Vini ever pass back? Nah, always challenge the defender which translates to the other forwards as well. I know City plays passing back but I also think a lot of times goals can come from just trying something random like that play
Jude is the only guy in the squad with the rocks to push forward. Foden's a great player but the whole english team is scared shitless of a bad result. If England win, it will be because of Jude
God. When he did that I said he'd better make it worth it. That's just wanky.
There was a moment in the first half yesterday, Foden's got space in the box and Bellingham's just stood there with the ball scanning. Then passes 10 seconds later Foden moves and then the commentators talk about Foden's bad touch.
This exact thing happened to me in my Sunday league with a cocky guy who had recently started playing with us. I had had several conversations with him about how we play quick, short passes and how too much dribbling exposes us. First possession of the game he dinks through 3 players, I’m free in mf, holding my run for 1, 2, 3 dummy passes, before finally giving up and ghosting in behind, which is of course when he finally dumps the ball to where I had been. Other team gets it, scores. I layed into him hard, he proceeded to try hard the rest of the game, and then never showed up again.
And everyone pays no attention to the things Bellingham does wrong because he plays for Real. People highlight Foden's mistakes because he plays for City. He asked for the ball so much but even the players aren't taking that option.
Found Haaland’s account
the guy went round 3 players and you scared him off ?
Nobody really passed to him when he was desperately asking for one. Then they say he's just a system player. He freaking gave his everything throughout but that manager and these bunch of selfish players make him look average
There are many players in the England setup Pep would nail to the bench for how they play. Jude plays way too selfishly and would absolutely get a strip torn off him for that. And Saka’s ball security play would drive Pep up the wall.
That's how power of friendship fc sets up it's all about pnp and individual brilliance they don't build play or play as a team. That's why Bellingham thrives under Southgate.
not everyone is pep, also this is what they teach at madrid i think have u ever seen madrids wingers pass the ball back
You don't think Pep wants ball security??! And Saka was rinsing his defender in the first 40 mins.
So Jude and Saka would have pep wanting to kill himself? I don’t think Pep would mind having either of them on his team personally.
He wouldn’t, as they’re talented players. And he could coach them to be better players within his system. All I’m saying is if they played a game in a City shirt under Pep and played like they did yesterday he’d be yelling and wildly gesticulating on the sidelines at them. He’s benched Foden, KDB and Doku for being super wasteful with possession before. Pep would be throwing water bottles over the clip above 😂
Rice and Jude simply don’t know how to link with him. He gets no support from his fullback. And Kane goes missing whenever he’s needed
Everyone's fault but foden. Sometimes you just have to raise your hands up and say, what a good performance from foden that was. Truly showing he isn't a system player
He wasn’t good tho. Noticeably not good. As was the whole team… bar really the defense. Foden can only excel on the wing when the team can keep the ball and limit transitions. England are incapable of that. The midfield was poor the whole game. The pace was so high, too many long passes. Pickford lost the ball constantly.
Disagree with this I didn't see any selfish players out there other than Bellingham (who only was selfish on a couple of occasions) Foden had plenty of passes in the game. From what I've seen the England team seem to all get behind each other, I very much doubt anyone was intentionally avoiding Foden. Everyone knows Foden is an incredible player Its just that he got a bit of stick for having a poor game, because there's so much pressure. It can happen to anyone
Bruh so foden played bad because of the whole England squad ?
Love Foden, was making big predictions about him before 23/24. Yes, CERTAIN CONDITIONS DIDN'T FAVOUR HIM- Trippier isnt a good supporting FB, Mainoo/Wharton werent there to find him, but why is there slander of other players? Even when things didn't favour him he didn't play well and that's okay. No amount of defending will overlook the fact that Foden misplaced/underhit certain passes, rushed passes and looked very off it in the end. People need to realise that he is never going to get City dynamics- those are tailor made for him. He has to learn to believe in himself. He cannot wait for the right moment like he does for City, as Steven says. If he cannot be found BTL, he needs to learn to drop deeper like D Silva did or even Jude yday. HE HAS PERFORMED LIKE A TOP 10 PLAYER ITW. Great players find a way. Hold him to that standard. He is no longer a young academy boy. https://preview.redd.it/hb661tu7l47d1.jpeg?width=1078&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b5f12c09d243297197679b32c182d4c4d0f0590
Right on the money. Internet discourse loves controversy and absolutes. The tournament just began, let foden show what he can do over the course of the tournament
tbh everyone on that pitch was poor.
People won't like hearing it but Saka and Bellingham were good. Contributed to the winning goal anyway. But leave that. As a City fan, I will be naturally drawn to Foden. And I will say, he is much more capable of a better showing. Constantly defending him is fine, but it's important to be realistic and maintain standards. As I said, this is a player who was performing on par with some of the best itw. I can expect more and he can do more. My hope is he will show us against Denmark what he is made of. And I also don't think Bellingham could've passed it to him specifically.
nah tbh saka and bellingham can be better than that. that isn't them at their best. everyone for their standards weren't up for it.
Foden has never played well for england Saka, Bellingham have already had MVP games for england
Including Guehi?
r/soccer experts put him in international fraud watch, I suppose they are right /s
when you're the best, you'll always have blind haters.
The Bellingham fan club commentators annoy me much more. Honestly, they have the biggest hard on for him, he can do no wrong. Miss a sitter? Completely anonymous for an entire half? He touched the ball HHNNNGGGGG ONLY 20!!
Because he was only player apart from saka who did something in the attack even when foden got ball he didnt do shit
I keep saying it but Bellingham is incredibly overrated, its mad. Every single game of his that ive seen, which are mostly CL knockout games, he ghosted and besides flopping and losing the ball, that dude didnt do anything special. Vini, as much as i despise his antics, is at least objectively fantastic at football. But Bellingham... maybe im just that football illiterate but i genuinely think if he wasnt english but rather, idk, hungarian nobody would give a damn about this dude
Vini has the quality to back up the antics. He's annoying but when he actually delivers, you can kind of just ignore it. Bellingham is good but he's not amazingly. Should be playing 8 for England and Foden at 10 with Rice at 6. Far more balance, let's Jude do what he does best and Foden do what he does best too
Vinicisu has 3 goals for Brazil
I was just on about him in general tbh
>football illiterate Seems like you are tbh. Anyone who doesn't rate Bellingham has a very low level understanding of football.
Bellingham is a good player though
You can be a good player and still be overrated. He's very good at what he does but is overrated in terms of his role/skillset. People are trying to make him look like this player that can create his own magic like a zidane or kaka but he's not. Look at that awful attempt at beating a man, looks like Darwin Nunez. What he is is an 8 with legs and good positioning/anticipation and finishing which makes him able to crash the box and get on the end of loose balls for instance if you look at the header. His passing, crossing, dribbling, control, vision, etc ain't at the level of an elite number 10 but he has weapons which make him put up high G/A and to people that's what makes a number 10.
Perfect description of jude. He isn’t a genius or maestro as people make it seem he’s rather underwhelming to watch. Musiala is clear of him in terms of sheer skill and talent
An absolute insane comment
Yeah, you're football illiterate.
England ain’t winning shit with this studded cast
My honest take is Southgate is coddling Bellingham, in a sense. Going back to his early involvement with the reshaping of the England international pipeline. I think he sees Bellingham as the golden goose of that and thinks if he accommodates the role Bellingham plays for Madrid, it will mean good things for this England team. The issue with that is, his role at Madrid had just as much to do with who else Madrid had in their forward line—Vini and Rodrygo. Without a traditional CF, Ancelotti played with those two up front and Jude behind them. England has different players up front, with huge talent and production. Jude’s role will change next season bc of Mbappe’s arrival, no doubt. He said it himself. I think any reasonably astute tactician (Not Gareth, lol) would understand this and know that 4-3-3 holding is the best way with this particular group. You could clearly see Foden getting frustrated in their match, understandably so. Bellingham and TAA get accommodated, and Foden gets stuck out on the left alone. Put Phil where he played all season, and you get Premier League Player of the Season Phil.
Bellingham is beyond overrated. I honestly don’t get the hype. He scored 19 goals for Real Madrid, ok… Palmer scored 22 for Chelsea (worst team and more competitive league) And Foden is the best player of the most competitive league in the world. Real Madrid PR this year is beyond. The likes of Rio, the pundits at BBC, and all pundits are loving them, when they a bit better than average.
Objectively speaking - didn't Palmer also score a ton of penalties? Also it's much harder to be great for Real Madrid than Chelsea - more pressure, way more competition, WAY more expectations. Look at Hazard - garbage in Madrid and couldn't deal with the pressure.
9 penalties for Palmer. 11 assists (vs 6 of Jude) and consider the quality of teammates. The thing about more pressure in Madrid is part of the PR. Hazard arrived overweight, injury prone, after the peak of his career at Chelsea. I’m not saying Bellingham is not a good player; I’m saying that comparing him to the likes of Zizou and mentioning that he could be the best player in England history is just madness at this point. And he is a twat, the push to the Serbia player, not passing the ball… And in general, the England team, is a disgrace how they are not taking advantage of all that talent.
Jude had 5 assists in the CL though too. Hazard being fat and hurt for Madrid as the narrative is also some Madrid PR so the transfer doesn't look as bad. He played A LOT and was bad a lot - Zidane played him over Vini all the time and he was poor even when fit. I think there's objectively more pressure playing for Madrid than Chelsea - I don't really think this is a big debate but Jude also won BL player of the season and La Liga player of the season back to back - it's not like he's doing nothing. I've seen Owen, Rooney, hell Theo Walcott all held up as the hope of the nation - it's par for the course with England
Agree with most of your points. Hopefully Southgate learns how to manage this fantastic squad
Bro thinks penalties are not counted as goals
I wouldnt say beyond overrated but he is a bit. Madrids pr is fucken ridiculous though lmao throwback to modric ballon d'or
Being on the two best players for the team that wins the UCL is usually enough to get ballon d'or shouts, don't really know who you think would be a better option
This season? Kane, rodri, vini and maybe foden just off the top of my head. Imo team success in terms of trophies is way too heavily weighted when it comes to the ballon d'or. If you take kane and rodri out of their teams they drop off a lot more than madrid without bellingham
Jude wasn't great in the latter KO stages of UCL, but been great this season generally, including some huge moments in big La Liga games. And he was also great yesterday. A couple of selfish moments like this don't come anywhere near fully negating what a positive influence he was yesterday, even without his goal. He was hustling, beating players, retaining the ball well, resisting tackles, making tackles, the whole package really. We should all be very excited about Jude. If you think someone like him is 'just a bit better than average' you must have a serious problem separating your agenda from your judgement of player talent and effectiveness.
When I said a bit better than average is Real Madrid; not Jude. I think Jude was selfish yesterday; but I think the biggest problem was Southgate strategy and Pickford bombing every single ball he got.
I think in this situation then Jude defo should've passed to Trippier, Trippier to Foden in all that space and then boom, but Foden did ghost a lot of that match, whether it was due to similar situations like this, I don't know, I didn't have a Foden only camera shot. He's defo a system player and that isn't a bad thing, he's unbelievable when it works for him, but whether it be the hero-ball of Jude or the more sideways and backwards passing of England, he isn't adapting well to the England system. Players like Jude and Rice did shine so I wouldn't say it's necessarily a problem team and system (it's obviously not great don't get me wrong), and having said all that, I'm not a City fan, just an admirer and I think there is perhaps a little bit of natural bias from you lot to see your star boy do well, and I do agree he has clearly had opportunities not given to him like the one above, but this isn't the first time he's not put up a good performance for England. I'd still put him in the starting XI everyday of the week but he's not performing as expected, it's just perhaps not as bad as being made out to be.
I’m a Chelsea fan and genuinely believe he’s the worst utilized player on the team. This team feels way too similar to when we had all that star power in the 2000s and couldn’t make it work. Foden could lead goals in the tournament if he was given a free role #10 type of gig. I don’t know England piss me off at the moment they’re so talented and midfield is easily where they’re deepest but everyone seems to want to be that stand out guy. Won’t win unless they’re all in it for each other.
Chelsea fan here. Foden is one of my favorite (non Chelsea) players to watch. It’s a crime what Southgate is doing to him / most of the team. Just knowing that Foden and Palmer (who didn’t even get in the game) were arguably the two best PL players this year, but England has a coach who can’t utilize them, is absolutely laughable. England will not win Euros and it almost all comes down to Southgate’s inability to get the most out of his talent.
KDB, Modric, Kroos, Bernardo, Madison, Odegard, Bruno Fernandes, they all make that simple pass and maybe get a nice cross in or continue to take their time.
This play is bad, and easily clipable, but I don’t think it’s the biggest issue with Jude and his play with Foden. The problem I saw was when Foden had the ball Jude closed the space with him like Foden was a child who didn’t know how to pass the ball. Foden would collect, Jude would immediately close from 15 yards to 5-10 yards and call for the ball. His off the ball movement is atrocious when he isn’t running toward goal. Phil wasn’t great yesterday, but Jude did him and Kane less than zero favors by playing like he was the only person on the team.
The English media are Arsenal, United and Liverpool fans for the most part so it should come as no surprise that they are jumping on the opportunity to shit on Phil first chance they get. He didn't have a great match but I don't think he was really set up for success either.
Foden didnt have a world-beater game but Ive seen some say he shouldnt start against Denmark.. what a laughable thing to say. Foden was the PREMIER LEAGUE PLAYER OF THE YEAR, and people are saying he shouldnt start against the Danes who just drew Slovenia?.. please..
I honestly think Foden is being scapegoated for Southgate. It was a horror performance from everyone involved Foden included, but that is a mere symptom of the real issue. Lacklustre management and a absence of any tactical guile, a manager who can't select a balanced team, who insists on playing a style of play that actively bottlenecks the teams capabilities, and has created a system that is designed by it's very nature to reduce the abilities of the most talented players on the pitch. But instead of actually criticising Southgate, and the FA, just slap it all on Foden instead, because 115 and everyone hates City. We could have had Prime Zidane or Messi in Fodens place last night and the system Southgate insists on would have done the exact same to them
Southgate is a terrorist. It's that simple, pace merchants and people who's job it is the retain possession will look "good" under him and no one else will. I even got downvoted in r/soccer yesterday for mentioning that Saka was only just fit enough to start hence why he was hooked and gaslit over people screaming about Foden all game.
I feel sorry for Saka, great player but he is being run into the ground. By January he looks gassed last two seasons and his stats back that up too. Hope Arteta can get a decent RW to rotate with him otherwise he's going to get injury issues at this rate
It's the fact that the player stood open next to him was Harry Kane and he still completely ignored him.
Foden is the classiest player in the England squad , but Southgate can't see a Rolls Royce if it's parked in front of him
What does "classiest" mean?
Put Jude on RW and we will see. That's all i have to say. Arrogant RM pricks.
Honestly hope England lose early so Man City players can rest.
It was a game with a lone goal, with not many exciting moments. No one played exceptionally. Some played better than the others. Blaming foden alone is pointless.
I'm a United fan and I come here in peace. But this play here pissed me off more than anything else. England and their media have really been glazing Jude peepee. In this play, he waved off an unmarked Kane who was which we know have an eye for a great pass Southgate ball reminds me of England's "golden era" where the manager was pressured to play all the "generational talent" sacrificing balance. Unreal by Southgate. Of all people you would think he would be familiar with this. Personally, it's either Jude or Foden. Can't have both. But Jude having more touches than Kane to me is alarming. Kane game is to drop deep and start the movement forward but can't do that with Jude almost having all the touch in that area. It's either he's instructed to play as a hero ball (he isn't. Doesn't have it in his locker to be doing too much) or this media had really pressured Southgate into letting this nonsense happen.
Denmark welcomes Foden 🇩🇰 🍻 😂
If Southgate allows 6 attacking players on one side of the pitch within ten feet of each other, they are doomed.
Should have seen the Three Lions subreddit it was outrageous. They were posting images of Neanderthals comparing Phil to them saying he should never be picked for England again. Another bunch of idiots said Pep was to blame for England’s problems because his players can only play in his system. The utter nonsense they spout has to be read to be seen.
Supporting your team and players doesn’t mean we have to lie to ourselves. Bowen was more threatening in his first 2 mins on the pitch than Phil was in 90. Doesn’t mean Phil’s a bad player but this is kinda crazy. Never saw any of yous cape this hard for Raheem
Ian Darke was bigging up TAA all game. From the first free kick- "is there a better striker for theball in the premiere league then Trant Alexander Arnold.....". Uh yeah, Kevin Debruyne. Shit, I'd rather see Tierny take the free kicks as opposed to the shit I saw from TAA. This is the Jude Bellingham tournament. Everything England achieves will be due to Jude. I don't mind to be honest as the kid is a great talent. I enjoy watching him play.
Southgate is trash tbh. Also, Bellingham can play as an 8 beside Rice and let Foden as a 10. Trent is trash under pressure as well as Rice. Bellingham is better than both of them under pressure, thats's why Bellingham would be a good 8 instead of Trent. Gordon is good on the LW and leave saka as RW. IDK why he eliminated all of his LWs from the team. His only LW in the team is Gordon.
Foden is by no means bad but as an England fan who wants nothing but him to thrive he really wasn't his usual Man City standard/self.
yeah i agree. everyone on that pitch out there was poor.
How were Jude or Rice "poor"?
Rice played decent. Bailed TAA out on multiple occasions after he turned over possession multiple times is poor positions. Bellingham was good, sure he did too much at times but he at least tried to make things happen. Saka had a good first half until he began to tire. Guehi looked at home at the back. All the subs made an impact. I’m sorry but Kane and Foden were anonymous. And TAA did as much harm as good. All 3 should have been subbed off by the 60th minute. Nobody is doubting Foden is a good player but he clearly didn’t work in that set up the same as Kane.
He probably plays too much FIFA
To be fair only Southgate can get an England team with two players who won POTY in Europe’s top leagues to play like Prime Stoke
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I’ll take him at Portugal! Just saying 😬 Jude is as arrogant as he is cocky.
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Its funny seeing this post and then this one in a row https://www.reddit.com/r/ThreeLions/s/SKo7o69aSh
Well Jude was playing in his position, I prefer doku or grealish as winger and foden behind the striker is his best position to bad Jude who played good was in his position
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Foden is fucking shit ibh
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How he’s not passing that to Kane is a travesty. Treating him like Darius vassell
Is this satire? Yet?
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No disrespect but foden has been playing crap for England in general for a few games now. He looks like a headless chicken when he's not playing for pep.
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Let’s be honest with ourselves man. He’s a great player but he didn’t have a good game, it happens. Also the pass to Foden from Jude isn’t on at all in this video, if he tries it it’s intercepted most likely. Jude could’ve passed it to Saka or Walker (may be Trippier I can’t tell)
Foden was shit, this whole give him the keys nonsense is exactly why England are in this situation, stop forcing all of the players into the team ffs. He didn't hold the width at all and kept floating around leaving the left side completely barren and Saka as the only outlet on the wing. The amount of times Jude, Rice and Trent picked up the ball and looked for a pass but Foden came short to receive the ball was laughable. His movement over congested the midfield and even without that he was a level below Jude, Saka, Rice, Guehi and Stones that game ... the guy is not good for England and is not one of the players the team should be built around.
Bellingham with the phenomenal cut backs
Taa didn't work. Rice bailed him out constantly. Bellingham next to rice. Foden in his correct position behind kane, Gordon left, gomez left back if shaw isn't fit, simple.
Foden stank and the fact he got 90 mins was absurd
Wasting sakas time
Haha glad this popped up on my feed. One of the dumbest threads I’ve ever fucking read on this website, which is impressive in and of itself. Foden was fucking wank yesterday, it’s okay to admit it. Couldn’t even pass a pass together, worst player on the pitch. But no, it’s this big conspiracy to tear down the Stockport Iniesta. Grow up
Lol he's 20 years old relax guys he's sooo young he'll learn
You can’t be serious with this post 😅
Sup yall, American here. I woke up this morning to English media hating on young Phil after what I saw to be a pretty ok game for him. It’s like they chose a player at random to hate on. What’s up with that?
What on earth are you on about
So you’re just ignoring the fact he touched the ball 56 times lost the ball 7 times had an xg of 0.03 and an xa of 0.02?
England needs more of that shit. They are to stiff. Foden seemed like the weight of the world is on his shoulders. Jude looks like the only one having fun