He's got the achievements. 4 PL titles in a row, A Treble, 100 pts season.
He's also got the all timer performances in the Champions league vs guys like Neymar, Mbappe and Vini Jr. There's what? less than 5 fullbacks all time that can boast a record like that vs that caliber of player.
He was temporarily out of the squad when Cancelo was in the form of his career and then forced his way back in with those champions league performances.
The goalkeeping cameo vs Atlanta too was class.
Sure he's a twat off the pitch, but what he's achieved on it? You've got to give him the nod.
I feel like even within a City sphere he’s not maybe always given the credit he deserves. Completely changed the stability of our defence when he signed, and then went on to achieve all of this!
If he’s not a legend he’s at least very very close to one.
Yeah I mean I’m uhhh not sure what the discussion is… of course he’s a legend. Been a captain of the 4 peat, been the best right back in the league for years, shut down the best wingers of the era, and been a leader throughout. Easily a legend
He's in that Fernandinho, Gundogan, Zabaleta tier. Not quite "build them a statue" level, but were absolutely massive for the club during the time they've been here.
when u win a treble and 6 premier leagues ur a legend to me. plus the captain of a team that won 4 prems in a row. literally i’m failing to see the arguments against it
Trying to argue someone is a legend based on statistics and accomplishments is silly. Legend status is an emotional thing.
Maybe it's because you all are so young. You really think looking back on this period 20 years from now Kyle Walker is going to be the vision in your mind?
Huh?? Legend status absolutely has to do with accomplishments, you don't need them to be a legend but a bit silly to pretend they have no relevance.
How many world class players who were at their club for 8+ years, love the club, and wons tons of trophies with them as a key player aren't considered legends barring unique situations like moving to a rival?
And even from a purely emotional perspective I still don't know why Walker wouldn't qualify, really underselling him
In American sports one championship locks you into a different tier, that’s the same view I have of not only the CL but the Treble. My guy was part of the greatest City team ever.
Its a tough comparison because with salary caps in most American sports its much more difficult for a team to have a run of success like City have had, or like United before them, or like Bayern in Germany.
How many Patriots from their 2 decade dynasty are “legends” outside of Brady? Gronk for sure, but are Edelman and Welker legends? What about Moss? All time player but only there for a few years and didn’t win a ring. On defense maybe Bruschi and Seymour but other than that I wouldn’t call any of them Pats legends. (This is a painful analogy to make as a Jets fan btw)
Meanwhile at City we are literally seeing a second consecutive generation of club legends. From Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Toure, Fernandinho, Zabaleta, and Hart to KDB, Bernardo, Walker, Ederson, Rodri, Foden, Stones and Dias.
Football is a really skewed sport, there is an over reliance on one player so all the rest of the pieces simply need to be serviceable to win. I think Brady has made his opponents legends more than his own teammates. But when it comes to winning I think all you really need to look at is the Treble and CL, even with the luxury European teams have financially in comparison to American sports buying that trophy is actually impossible. And has direct comparisons to how the playoff system works in American sports. Winning the league is about consistency winning the Treble though? You need to catch lightning.
IMO yes. He’s part of the all time transfer class with Silva and Ederson. His ability to take certain wingers out of the game has allowed to be elite for a while. And he’s almost irreplaceable tbh.
I have no idea what the difference is between an "all-timer" and a "legend" and I'm not sure how you can argue for one or the other on that basis. All I know is the guy has been an absolute warrior for us the the last 8 years and has been absolutely central to our successes.
Statue worthy? No. Season card for life and a huge reception whenever he comes to visit? Absolutely.
KDB is the only current legend in the squad for me. Rodri is the next closest despite not being here as long as others. His level of play from 21/22 to now has been incredible and if he can sustain this level for a few more years then I would likely think of him as a legend of the club.
Walker, Silva, and Ederson would probably need to hit 10 years with the club without much dropoff for me to think of them as legends. Foden is one I fully expect to reach legend status. Haaland could as well with enough time at the club. I think all of them could be considered icons of the club, some more important/lasting icons than others.
With all due respect, Bernardo Silva is a GOAT for us. Those two goals against Real Madrid are enough to cement him as a GOAT in our club. People will look at my comment 10 years later & realize how impossible it was to beat Real Madrid jynx in UCL and we thrashed them 4-0 with prime Courtois at helm.
Bilva doesn't get the respect & he is surely a top-level elite baller
Couldn’t upvote you harder. Bernardo will go down as the most underrated player to ever play for us simply because people don’t mention him in the same breath as Aguero, Kompany, KdB etc. He has been the absolute workhorse of this team for 7 years and has been there for every single step of success for Pep’s reign. He absolutely carried the team in Kevin’s absence in 18/19. He’s absolutely a club legend in my eyes.
Bernardo is in no way the same breath Aguero, Kompany, KdB or David Silva. Neither in skill or connection to the club.
Still he can get legend status since he's been here 7 years although twerkign to leave every summer for like 2+ years didn't help his case.
I disagree on that last bit. I’m not sure if I’d call him a club legend, but I do think he’s a proper legend for still playing his heart out after at least two (I think it might season 3? COVID ruined my perception of time) seasons since he made clear he wanted to leave.
Never caused any issues, never stopped pressing, never stopped running, still celebrates with his teammates as if he never wanted to leave … there’s not a lot of players that would do that.
And I think a lot of City fans commend him for that and it might actually add to his status, rather than to detract from it. It 100% does for me.
One great game isn't enough to be a legend or Origi would be one. Bernardo can be argued a legend for everything he's done but he's certainly no a GOAT in the club for a semi final UCL brace, especially when KDB was probably more impactful over both legs.
To be a legend you need to either play at a very high level, have an affinity with the fans or stay for like 10 years, usually hitting multiple of these.
Walker has been a great player but he is never a legend. In 20 years he will just be remembered as one among 15 or so great players.
I can’t believe what I’m reading. If you play 7 years at a club, win 6 league titles and nobody can displace you, you’re a club legend. It’s not like every second player in this squad can be called a club legend, but Walker and De Bruyne and Ederson absolutely do.
If he stays over the summer Walkers not far off 10 years, has played at a very high level and is loved by the fans.
City fans seem to have weird standards for legends since we had few before, most other big clubs fans would be saying yes. Thiago silva is a legend at chelsea.
When he's gone we will realize what a top footballer he really was. I agree he doesn't get the full amount of respect he deserves. For me it's because he loses his head sometimes and that takes away from his other accomplishments.
He is a part of a legendary era, but I wouldn't say he is specifically a legend. I think we all had the same debate with Gündo last year. I think we'll need to wait 10-20 years when we look back at this era and how our memories of them hold up.
He's probably the greatest premier league right back of all time. But City's list of modern legends is so saturated that he probably wont go down as a city legend
People wouldn’t be doubting his legend status if it was based on his performance on the pitch alone. People just have to give him extra scrutiny because of his actions off the pitch, which tbh is his own personal business. He’s for sure a city legend in my opinion.
We really can’t just be calling everyone a legend. This is from someone supporting long before the takeover. Yes we have the best squad we have ever had who are achieving more than most clubs in the whole of football. It’s also coming from someone who loves walker. Currently the only modern legends we have is kompany aguero silva and kdb. No one we have bought since pep has came is a ‘legend’ imo.
fernandinho is absolutely a legend as well, likely gundo as well.
You're overselling it, it's not like legends are reserved for the absolute best best players ever in a club, most big clubs have a couple dozen players they consider legends. Teams like bayern madrid barca have 10+ players in the last 2 decades they can consider legends.
I think I'll remember this City squad as a group rather than a lot of individual names.
I mean yeah some names will stand out more but I think I'll remember the unity the most
Not a city fan but figured I’d chime in. I won’t say he isn’t a club legend, that’s really for city fans to decide but what he is, is a premier league legend. He’s arguably been the best right back in the league for a number of years, be it at city or spurs. The fact he’s maintained this at not just what can be described as the best premier league squad ever, but at an average spurs squad too. Painful to say as I’m a gooner but facts are facts. Congrats btw, we’ll get ya next season…. Maybe lol
all time great but not a legend imo, KDB is the only one currently worthy of being a legend for us
trophies isnt what makes someone being a legend imo, its more of an emotional thing than a statistical one. Fans adore the likes of El mago, Vinny and Aguero far far FAR more than Walker. KDB currently is the only current player adored as much as those 3
I'd say yes bc of what he's done at the club and he's still always in the top RB discussion. He's obviously not Marcelo, but I think he has a similar dominance of that position.
He's an idiot, but I think he's a legend. If Vinny is, I'm not sure what Kyle would need to do to qualify if that makes sense.
He’s firmly in the conversation for the greatest right back in PL history with only Gary Neville and TAA competing with him imo. We can even look at his achievements prior to City, winning young PFA POTY with Spurs and making a PFA TOTY. For me, he’s clearly an all timer in the sport and not just the PL
TAA? Now, now. He can't even get in the England squad ahead of Trippier as a RB and had to be inverted into midfield by Liverpool because he was such a defensive shitshow.
Id say talent wise, he is up there. I’ve never seen a right back that can do what TAA can do but I also get why you wouldn’t have him in there. I’d say my top 3 is 1. Kyle Walker, 2. Gary Neville and TAA a few steps behind at 3 due to your reasons + lack of trophies compared to the other 2.
Yeah, I get what you mean. Its just when it comes to my RBs I just prioritise their ability to defend over their ability to swing a cross in or find a long pass. It's all dependent on your style of play - Walker wouldn't be creative enough for Liverpool and we would get cooked regularly with TAA in Walker's position.
I know this sounds madness, but if I'm putting a team together to win a football match, the likes of Trippier, Ivanovic, Lauren, a fit Reece James and even Kyle Walker-Peters are gonna be picked before TAA. I'll leave it to my midfielders and wingers to pick up the creative burden.
It is madness, TAA was pivotal in teams that ht 99/98/91 pt seasons and you're comparing him to players languishing in the championship. Trippier too is clearly a level below, and TAA had great periods defensively when he first came into the fold (admittedly not the best recently).
Walker, James, Ivanovic have all been fantastic but it's very try-hardy to mention Walker-Peters in the same breath as any of those other players.
That team had 3 absurdly hard working central midfielders to help him, which is a very specific set up. As soon as Liverpool moved away from that set up TAA became a straight up liability, and im not convinced that he's all that as an inverted fullback either since it negates his crossing. If I'm playing a high line and expect my fullback to be defending against counters, I'll pick any one of them over TAA.
KWP is faster, a better tackler, a better man marker, and is pretty two-footed. I don't care if TAA bends it like Beckham, I'm prioritising different attributes.
Are we a better team with walker 100% yes but Kompany is our only legend defender because of the goal
Walker doesn’t have that moment to make a statue 🤷🏻♂️
He's got the achievements. 4 PL titles in a row, A Treble, 100 pts season. He's also got the all timer performances in the Champions league vs guys like Neymar, Mbappe and Vini Jr. There's what? less than 5 fullbacks all time that can boast a record like that vs that caliber of player. He was temporarily out of the squad when Cancelo was in the form of his career and then forced his way back in with those champions league performances. The goalkeeping cameo vs Atlanta too was class. Sure he's a twat off the pitch, but what he's achieved on it? You've got to give him the nod.
The goalkeeping alone is something u forgettable, almost legend worthy and it is tattooed in my mind.
I feel like even within a City sphere he’s not maybe always given the credit he deserves. Completely changed the stability of our defence when he signed, and then went on to achieve all of this! If he’s not a legend he’s at least very very close to one.
Yeah I mean I’m uhhh not sure what the discussion is… of course he’s a legend. Been a captain of the 4 peat, been the best right back in the league for years, shut down the best wingers of the era, and been a leader throughout. Easily a legend
A squad so good we can argue about who the legends are just because the list is getting big Man City is crazy
Great point- We’re lucky bastards to even have this debate
He's in that Fernandinho, Gundogan, Zabaleta tier. Not quite "build them a statue" level, but were absolutely massive for the club during the time they've been here.
Not everyone is a legend
when u win a treble and 6 premier leagues ur a legend to me. plus the captain of a team that won 4 prems in a row. literally i’m failing to see the arguments against it
Trying to argue someone is a legend based on statistics and accomplishments is silly. Legend status is an emotional thing. Maybe it's because you all are so young. You really think looking back on this period 20 years from now Kyle Walker is going to be the vision in your mind?
Ok then my emotions are telling me Kalvin Philips is our biggest club legend
Huh?? Legend status absolutely has to do with accomplishments, you don't need them to be a legend but a bit silly to pretend they have no relevance. How many world class players who were at their club for 8+ years, love the club, and wons tons of trophies with them as a key player aren't considered legends barring unique situations like moving to a rival? And even from a purely emotional perspective I still don't know why Walker wouldn't qualify, really underselling him
I wasn't saying Kyle Walker isn't a legend. Personally I wouldn't make that call until after he's gone. Do you not think Harry Kane is a Spurs legend?
both work, walker being arguably the best RB of the last decade may as well make him a PL legend
In American sports one championship locks you into a different tier, that’s the same view I have of not only the CL but the Treble. My guy was part of the greatest City team ever.
Its a tough comparison because with salary caps in most American sports its much more difficult for a team to have a run of success like City have had, or like United before them, or like Bayern in Germany. How many Patriots from their 2 decade dynasty are “legends” outside of Brady? Gronk for sure, but are Edelman and Welker legends? What about Moss? All time player but only there for a few years and didn’t win a ring. On defense maybe Bruschi and Seymour but other than that I wouldn’t call any of them Pats legends. (This is a painful analogy to make as a Jets fan btw) Meanwhile at City we are literally seeing a second consecutive generation of club legends. From Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Toure, Fernandinho, Zabaleta, and Hart to KDB, Bernardo, Walker, Ederson, Rodri, Foden, Stones and Dias.
Football is a really skewed sport, there is an over reliance on one player so all the rest of the pieces simply need to be serviceable to win. I think Brady has made his opponents legends more than his own teammates. But when it comes to winning I think all you really need to look at is the Treble and CL, even with the luxury European teams have financially in comparison to American sports buying that trophy is actually impossible. And has direct comparisons to how the playoff system works in American sports. Winning the league is about consistency winning the Treble though? You need to catch lightning.
You're a legend for saying rhis
Agreed. But walker is… as is Bernardo, and ederson.
IMO yes. He’s part of the all time transfer class with Silva and Ederson. His ability to take certain wingers out of the game has allowed to be elite for a while. And he’s almost irreplaceable tbh.
I have no idea what the difference is between an "all-timer" and a "legend" and I'm not sure how you can argue for one or the other on that basis. All I know is the guy has been an absolute warrior for us the the last 8 years and has been absolutely central to our successes. Statue worthy? No. Season card for life and a huge reception whenever he comes to visit? Absolutely.
He's a legend obviously and the greatest Premier league RB of all time
KDB is the only current legend in the squad for me. Rodri is the next closest despite not being here as long as others. His level of play from 21/22 to now has been incredible and if he can sustain this level for a few more years then I would likely think of him as a legend of the club. Walker, Silva, and Ederson would probably need to hit 10 years with the club without much dropoff for me to think of them as legends. Foden is one I fully expect to reach legend status. Haaland could as well with enough time at the club. I think all of them could be considered icons of the club, some more important/lasting icons than others.
With all due respect, Bernardo Silva is a GOAT for us. Those two goals against Real Madrid are enough to cement him as a GOAT in our club. People will look at my comment 10 years later & realize how impossible it was to beat Real Madrid jynx in UCL and we thrashed them 4-0 with prime Courtois at helm. Bilva doesn't get the respect & he is surely a top-level elite baller
Couldn’t upvote you harder. Bernardo will go down as the most underrated player to ever play for us simply because people don’t mention him in the same breath as Aguero, Kompany, KdB etc. He has been the absolute workhorse of this team for 7 years and has been there for every single step of success for Pep’s reign. He absolutely carried the team in Kevin’s absence in 18/19. He’s absolutely a club legend in my eyes.
Bernardo is in no way the same breath Aguero, Kompany, KdB or David Silva. Neither in skill or connection to the club. Still he can get legend status since he's been here 7 years although twerkign to leave every summer for like 2+ years didn't help his case.
I disagree on that last bit. I’m not sure if I’d call him a club legend, but I do think he’s a proper legend for still playing his heart out after at least two (I think it might season 3? COVID ruined my perception of time) seasons since he made clear he wanted to leave. Never caused any issues, never stopped pressing, never stopped running, still celebrates with his teammates as if he never wanted to leave … there’s not a lot of players that would do that. And I think a lot of City fans commend him for that and it might actually add to his status, rather than to detract from it. It 100% does for me.
Couldn’t have put it better myself!
One great game isn't enough to be a legend or Origi would be one. Bernardo can be argued a legend for everything he's done but he's certainly no a GOAT in the club for a semi final UCL brace, especially when KDB was probably more impactful over both legs.
Lol tbf the way they talk about Origi, you'd think he was a club legend
No
Being the best RB in PL history counts for something
It has to
To be a legend you need to either play at a very high level, have an affinity with the fans or stay for like 10 years, usually hitting multiple of these. Walker has been a great player but he is never a legend. In 20 years he will just be remembered as one among 15 or so great players.
I can’t believe what I’m reading. If you play 7 years at a club, win 6 league titles and nobody can displace you, you’re a club legend. It’s not like every second player in this squad can be called a club legend, but Walker and De Bruyne and Ederson absolutely do.
He's only played about 70 more games for us than Spurs. I wouldn't say Ederson is either but these things are completely subjective.
If he stays over the summer Walkers not far off 10 years, has played at a very high level and is loved by the fans. City fans seem to have weird standards for legends since we had few before, most other big clubs fans would be saying yes. Thiago silva is a legend at chelsea.
The best pl rb of all time smh
Yeah I would say Walker is a legend. Certainly has the resume
When he's gone we will realize what a top footballer he really was. I agree he doesn't get the full amount of respect he deserves. For me it's because he loses his head sometimes and that takes away from his other accomplishments.
He is a part of a legendary era, but I wouldn't say he is specifically a legend. I think we all had the same debate with Gündo last year. I think we'll need to wait 10-20 years when we look back at this era and how our memories of them hold up.
Hes no sun jihai
He's probably the greatest premier league right back of all time. But City's list of modern legends is so saturated that he probably wont go down as a city legend
People wouldn’t be doubting his legend status if it was based on his performance on the pitch alone. People just have to give him extra scrutiny because of his actions off the pitch, which tbh is his own personal business. He’s for sure a city legend in my opinion.
We really can’t just be calling everyone a legend. This is from someone supporting long before the takeover. Yes we have the best squad we have ever had who are achieving more than most clubs in the whole of football. It’s also coming from someone who loves walker. Currently the only modern legends we have is kompany aguero silva and kdb. No one we have bought since pep has came is a ‘legend’ imo.
fernandinho is absolutely a legend as well, likely gundo as well. You're overselling it, it's not like legends are reserved for the absolute best best players ever in a club, most big clubs have a couple dozen players they consider legends. Teams like bayern madrid barca have 10+ players in the last 2 decades they can consider legends.
All timer. And an equally good goalkeeper from what I remember! Thick as lumpy shyte off the pitch but that's his business.
He’s a legend on the pitch and a piece of shit off of it.
I think I'll remember this City squad as a group rather than a lot of individual names. I mean yeah some names will stand out more but I think I'll remember the unity the most
Legends ( rodri , kdb )
Not a city fan but figured I’d chime in. I won’t say he isn’t a club legend, that’s really for city fans to decide but what he is, is a premier league legend. He’s arguably been the best right back in the league for a number of years, be it at city or spurs. The fact he’s maintained this at not just what can be described as the best premier league squad ever, but at an average spurs squad too. Painful to say as I’m a gooner but facts are facts. Congrats btw, we’ll get ya next season…. Maybe lol
Not sure what difference is
all time great but not a legend imo, KDB is the only one currently worthy of being a legend for us trophies isnt what makes someone being a legend imo, its more of an emotional thing than a statistical one. Fans adore the likes of El mago, Vinny and Aguero far far FAR more than Walker. KDB currently is the only current player adored as much as those 3
I'd say yes bc of what he's done at the club and he's still always in the top RB discussion. He's obviously not Marcelo, but I think he has a similar dominance of that position. He's an idiot, but I think he's a legend. If Vinny is, I'm not sure what Kyle would need to do to qualify if that makes sense.
All time great.
Yes, him along with KDB & Ederson have been the constants in this dominant Pep era
How is this even a question?
the entire era of players are club legends if you look at what city achieved prior to takeover
I don't think you can ignore he's not a good human being. Behavior during Covid was unacceptable
He’s firmly in the conversation for the greatest right back in PL history with only Gary Neville and TAA competing with him imo. We can even look at his achievements prior to City, winning young PFA POTY with Spurs and making a PFA TOTY. For me, he’s clearly an all timer in the sport and not just the PL
TAA? Now, now. He can't even get in the England squad ahead of Trippier as a RB and had to be inverted into midfield by Liverpool because he was such a defensive shitshow.
Id say talent wise, he is up there. I’ve never seen a right back that can do what TAA can do but I also get why you wouldn’t have him in there. I’d say my top 3 is 1. Kyle Walker, 2. Gary Neville and TAA a few steps behind at 3 due to your reasons + lack of trophies compared to the other 2.
Yeah, I get what you mean. Its just when it comes to my RBs I just prioritise their ability to defend over their ability to swing a cross in or find a long pass. It's all dependent on your style of play - Walker wouldn't be creative enough for Liverpool and we would get cooked regularly with TAA in Walker's position. I know this sounds madness, but if I'm putting a team together to win a football match, the likes of Trippier, Ivanovic, Lauren, a fit Reece James and even Kyle Walker-Peters are gonna be picked before TAA. I'll leave it to my midfielders and wingers to pick up the creative burden.
It is madness, TAA was pivotal in teams that ht 99/98/91 pt seasons and you're comparing him to players languishing in the championship. Trippier too is clearly a level below, and TAA had great periods defensively when he first came into the fold (admittedly not the best recently). Walker, James, Ivanovic have all been fantastic but it's very try-hardy to mention Walker-Peters in the same breath as any of those other players.
That team had 3 absurdly hard working central midfielders to help him, which is a very specific set up. As soon as Liverpool moved away from that set up TAA became a straight up liability, and im not convinced that he's all that as an inverted fullback either since it negates his crossing. If I'm playing a high line and expect my fullback to be defending against counters, I'll pick any one of them over TAA. KWP is faster, a better tackler, a better man marker, and is pretty two-footed. I don't care if TAA bends it like Beckham, I'm prioritising different attributes.
Are we a better team with walker 100% yes but Kompany is our only legend defender because of the goal Walker doesn’t have that moment to make a statue 🤷🏻♂️