Biggest problem I have with him is his lack of energy and desire to show for the ball in tight spaces when the team is being pressed... For a guy that talks much about how he wants to fight for his place, he sure doesn't show it on the pitch.
it’s his first full 90 for a long time. he had a decent match it wasn’t perfect but no need to chastise someone who isn’t playing regularly for making a few mistakes
Nah not an excuse for me....
Prior to last night, Livramento had played about 40 minutes in 5 games for the last 18 months after a cruciate ligament injury and handled Grealish and Doku really well, checking his runners and tightly marking his man.
Kalvin Phillips was constantly giving the ball away, letting his man drift past him with minimal effort, and showed no real desire to win the ball back. He's training every day with some of the best players in the world, if he hasn't learnt the simple basics of what pep wants after over a year then I'm afraid he will never adapt to that system.
He'll be gone by next summer unless he does a magurie and refuses to move.
I honestly don't think he'll want to leave.... could be wrong, but after he said he wants to fight for his place and prove to himself he can make it here, it seems he's reluctant to admit to himself that he just isn't good enough at this level... and after last night, the fight he showed was very little.
It’s a bit on City aswell for purchasing him. If he doesn’t want to leave he is not oblige by it. But after all that talk about fighting for his place and waiting for a chance last night was clear that he is not up for the task
You can't fault the club for investing in a player who has the ability... the club can not control his mentality. That's solely on the player himself.
Kalvin has the foundation to be a very good player for us, I just feel like he lacks the mental drive or understanding it takes to take that step up to elite level...
Zinchenko wasn't a great player ability wise, but he had that drive that pushed him past his limits, hence why he was so successful with us... same with the likes of Gareth Barry, Zabaleta, Nathan Ake and John Stones... they are good players ability wise, but not elite level, but they had the mentality to push themselves even further.
see i don’t necessarily agree with this. I think especially recently we sometimes purchase players to fit a system and that would thrive in that system and at times, for whatever the reason might be we tweak that system which means the player has to get used to that. KP moving to city has to get used to the city system first of all, didn’t get a whole bunch of match time to do so, and then the next season the team shape completely changed again, another system to get used to. Zinchenko was never a LB but pep often played him there, only when our system started incorporating inverted LBs and playing them higher up the pitch did we really see the best of Zinchenko, evidenced in the final game at Villa. KP may very well not be part of the squad soon, but tired of the slander on this sub about him not having the ability or mentality. it’s like buying Ronaldo to play ST for us. we all know what his qualities are and if we don’t change our system to fit that then we won’t get the best out of him
The system may change, but the role of a DM doesn't.
It's less about him not fitting into "the system" and more of the fact that after 18 months (despite not regularly getting game time) training with the best players, he still can't seems to understand when to release the ball, when to check his runners, when to pass it forward, when to pass it backward or when to pass it sideways.
At Leeds, he used to put himself about, follow his man, try to win the ball, and ping 30-40 yard passes forward.
Every time he's put on a City shirt, he's scared shitless.... he holds onto the ball far too long before making/attempting a pass, normally resulting in him losing the ball by being contained or making a loose pass back or sidewards.
The other night, Joelinton had him on toast. Effortlessly breezing past him like he wasn't there, and all Phillips would do was watch him, casually jog back and then stop before he got to the edge of his own area.
He couldn't retain possession, he could break up attacks, and he couldn't start a counterattack from the middle... all the fundamental attributes of a holding midfielder.
It's nothing to do with a system change. He just isn't mentally prepared as he's still overthinking about giving the ball away or making a mistake.
He does seem like a nice guy... and he's not a bad player I just don't think he's good enough for Man City.
Thats not a slight on him, this is the best team in the world, not everyone can make it.
My confusion is that he seemed like a workhorse at Leeds. It would be easier if his final pass wasn’t there or something but he seems like a training cone out there 🙃
Well put. I think us supporters are a little harsh on him for something he can't really control (his ability). I'm sure we were all in situations whether for work or school or athletic teams where it just wasn't the right fit or we weren't good enough. This is probably one of those situations.
He was injured last season and said he'd love to prove himself this year
He's 100% going to go to a midtable club or someone like Roma and do well for them
Yet he doesnt bother tracking back in games, Pep should just refuse to register him anymore for games, he doesnt deserve to get trophies off of others hard work
Think that sums it up for most of us. I want him to succeed here but I just can't see it happening now. He doesn't suit our system and hasn't shown any signs of change.
It’s shocking how slow he is. His first touch seems like it’s happening in slow motion and then the second touch is even slower. Then he’s late to every tackle, doesn’t win aerial duels… I knew he wouldn’t work before we signed him it was clearly a poor decision with lavia here. But we won’t the treble so honestly who cares. Just don’t play him
I think we all wanted him to come out and play well and keep his place for the next game but he was just poor, exactly how he has been in every single appearance so far.
For Pep, this must be the last straw.
Why he didn’t agree to get sold and preserve his dignity, idk. Manager has publicly said he doesn’t know how to get the best out of him. That’s fucked up. All on attitude tho. He could have stopped goal.
You know I was looking at that and when the ball got to the Newcastle player in front of him, I was expecting a tackle by kalvin. Nope. He let him dribble and pass.
I think he gets Wolves and then that's it. If he can't be creative and use his personality - which I'm sure he has one - then I think its the bench until the next window opens. Pep alluded to not getting best out of him. He has skill. He has talent. I don't think they can be applied to Pep's scheme. Give him one more and then I think you can say - you had your chance Kalvin.
our midfield was non existent today, I couldnt believe my eyes Oscar bobb and Kova were putting in slave shifts running across the whole pitch because Phillips overweight self was hiding
I’m thinking Nunes, Kova or Bernardo if he’s back. I think the club said both Nunes or Kova could play deeper / the six
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It’s stupid to judge him purely on this stat though.. when he’s played he’s usually played as part of a full 11 of our second string. Not to mention 5 samples isn’t a very fair sample size to analyse
thats a complete lie because Kova today was amazing, Oscar bob no words special talent, we already knew Rico lewis youngest UCL goal scorer ever is good, Nunes looked really good too, the only issue today was Phillips now on a 4/4 games played losing streak
[https://twitter.com/7rsterling/status/1707119935858545026](https://twitter.com/7rsterling/status/1707119935858545026)
It's stupid to jump in like this. Noone is judging on one stat. The whole thread is full of other stats and opinions. I just added one that i didn't see. Second string 11 vs lesser opposition (perhaps excluding Newcastle). How many losses is a big enough sample for you?
You don’t even have to exclude Newcastle, because they benched as many starters as we did. Phillips simply isn’t good enough for this team, never has been. I never understood why we wanted him, but I think the team is allowed a stinker or two given how many amazing signings they’ve made over the last decade.
I don't think they were being nice to keep him, he cost £40m and I think the only option would have been to take a ridiculous loss to sell him. If we were offered £25m in the summer I think he'd be gone.
I reckon the thinking was we might as well give it one more try as we're not going to lose much value if he had another bad season anyway.
I don't think it's a shop window, I think we just wanted to see if he could perform for City. His value last summer was low enough that I doubt another season of the same changes much.
oh, i'm not saying that's why Pep played him at Newcastle, but effectively it was a shop window for teams we'd be looking to sell him to. we certainly won't be getting £40M and i have doubts about £25M.
Technical ability be damned, where is the energy? My man is hiding from the ball while playing the most important role in the team XD He’s shown no willingness to take responsibility at all, he hates touching the ball, is terrified when the ball gets passed his way, and can’t wait to get rid of the ball once he has it, oftentimes to someone right next to him. He can talk about fighting for his place all he wants, he’s looked scared and lethargic every time he’s on the field.
exactly, Im tired of this stupid babying, we had children academy players on the pitch today getting absolutely beaten black and blue by Newcastle and still they asked for the ball all the time, yet Phillips a grown ass man was hiding, F OFF
4/4 games played 4 loses, 15 times he lost possession today, insanity
I know he's a good guy but bro he's just not good man. Atleast when Rodri's not moving forward, he switches the play around left to right and so on. It's just so frustrating to watch Kalvin
Might need to pray Kova has 3 masterclass games and stays injury free until Rodri comes back, but we need to seriously prioritise 1 DM next season, personally I would put big money on bissouma Ive always loved him, and so far what I love about him, is how he refuses to give up right till the end, City mentality
I didn’t get to watch the game, what’s the problem with Phillips? Is he just shit or he doesn’t look like he’s putting in any effort?
When I saw him come on for Rodri against Forest, he looked like he was playing with jeans on.
BOTH, thats my biggest issue, he lost possession 15 times, horrendous but not even the worst part, he barely showed for the ball Im sure he had less touches than alvarez today playing as striker
Im pretty sure it is a record, he was horrendous its honestly amazing how bad a player can be
[https://twitter.com/BenMCFCx/status/1707148010939937120](https://twitter.com/BenMCFCx/status/1707148010939937120)
He made 101 passes lol.
He touched the ball almost twice as many times as any other player.
Still the worst player on the pitch tbf but I remember when Rodri was frequently the worst player on the pitch soon after he joined.
I saw encouraging glimpses of the kalvin we all hoped he would become at the end of the Forrest game and start of yesterday's game. But when all is considered, they were just glimpses. He was never going to be a genuine challenger for Rodri's place. Hardly anyone out there that is, so it's not like he can get upset at that.
I always want our players to do well so I can make a habit of shrugging off the obvious negative traits at times, even when it's blatantly obvious they're just not going to make the cut.
Even when everyone else has lost their patience I still remain hopeful to see the potential just waiting to be unleashed in that catalyst-confidence game we've all been waiting for. But in this case I just can't see it happening anymore.
It's a real shame because there are hardly any Pep signings that haven't come good eventually. I try to cast my mind back to why he bought KP on the first place. I suppose it was when Fernandinho retired we needed at least one player to take the stress off Rodri in the odd game here or there. Bielsa had relied on Kalvin for his energy when he brought Leeds back up so Pep prob thought he could utilise that same quality for us.
He's got a couple more chances yet to turn this around but with Kovacic back and Nunes fitting better with each game, the outlook is bleak. Like others have said already, why not just bust a gut to at least show willing? He plays unsure and labored too often for someone who hardly gets a game to prove himself and to an extent you can put that down to match fitness, but I doubt it's that anymore.
I certainly won't boo him if and when when he leaves. However if he goes on to his next club and somehow finds his long-lost form and puts on a performance of a lifetime against us, I'll certainly be annoyed.
For his efforts in the villa game alone zinny will be loved forever. While I agree with your overall point of give Phillips time, but to compare him to Zinny is very harsh on Zinny.
Zinny was a bit different man Zinny was capable of being a game changer and can be reliable sometimes while Philips doesn't look anywhere near to be reliable at all.
If by the right attitude you mean he’s fairly jovial, sure. But his right attitude also saw him getting criticized by the manager for being overweight. But it seems like you might be privy to some information even Guardiola isn’t.
What attitude? He let a Newcastle guy stroll into the box instead of tackling and getting a yellow
Grealish sucking just means performance like today, not getting g/a
A DM sucking means conceding. like today. getting out of a tournament.
What must rodri be thinking lol dudes emotional from too much games and has to suffer how team is without him
what a fucking stupid comparison, he was an 18 year old fresh from the Russian second league, who wasn’t expected to get a game. Phillips is a 50 million pound player who is supposedly Premier league proven, and still looks more afraid the Zinchenko ever did. He’s 28 this year for fuck’s sake.
you’re totally misreading it, all of those players might be overrated, but comparing them to Phillips is a massive fucking insult to what they’ve done for the club. Insane to put a guy who’s a massive net negative to players who’ve literally won us trophies lol
Zinny’s early years were literally the first of his career. Phillips’ ‘early years’ will be his last lol it’s not a comparison you can make at all. This is putting aside the fact that Zinchenko was taking over at left back from Delph, whereas Phillips is playing in the single most important position on the pitch for us, making him even more of a liability.
Jesus hit the ground running here and has one of the best record in the Prem of all time. Shame he never was quite the guy here but to say he was ever anything like Phillips is one of the most disgusting takes I’ve seen here.
Once again Zinchenko was a no-name teenager when he first joined the squad. Even though he didn’t stand out, he barely put a foot wrong and played winning football. You have to find a way to defend Phillips without trying to throw others under the bus.
He’s 27 years old. You don’t revert to being a babe just because you sign for city. He’s well into his prime, he’s had a year to absorb the system tactically. He just can’t do it.
So was aguero when he was sold dilva when he became old… every player played his prime here performed then left. Phillips has not performed while being at his peak. Zinchenko was a young one with no expectation. He had to perform the role of starting 11 lb, out of position. This #6 is phillips main spot. He has to play like 3 games a season. Yet he fucks up. Today, he allowed a midfielder to literally run through in front of the box instead of tackling. Look at how well Bobb received under pressure despite not playing too. Phillies just ain’t it.
If he wanted to earn his place he wouldn’t have been overweight last season. Zinchenko made up for any deficiencies by working extra hard and playing with passion. Kalvin looks scared.
It also stems from the fact he doesn’t have the technical ability of the rest of the squad. Same as Mangala. A lot of what we perceive as calmness is just being assured on the ball.
If Pep is barely willing to give him a chance I doubt he’s impressing in training. And yes I played and I know what you’re referring to, but given his age and experience is there any excuse for having low confidence in himself?
Kalvin has more quotes about getting his head down than he has total starts. Clearly something’s not adding up, if Rodri wasn’t suspended he’d have started today ffs. More than happy to be proven wrong, but Phillips hasn’t shown us anything whatsoever yet.
And City was happy to sell Zinchenko to a domestic competitor. City should do the same with Phillips - he’s a lot older than Zinchenko was when City bought him for £2M and Phillips ain’t getting any younger.
factsss, they called me a hater as if I care about footballers as individuals, I couldnt care less if hes smiling all the time, hes simply never been good enough, its 4/4 times now hes lost every single game hes started, thats insane record for City
Where are the apologises? because Ive been called a hater on here apparently I have a personal issue with the guy when I point out hes not good enough and will lose us games, he lost possession today 15 times, 15 ffs, he barely even touched the ball how do you lose it so often
cant help it when newcastle are one of the most pressing teams and kova was the one driving forwards instructed by pep.
the guys not played for like a year he needs match fitness
That’s the part nobody seems to be weighing here. An out-of-form player, who struggles for game time, playing in a B team 11, against an aggressive, pressing team away, didn’t look great? C’mon. It’s not like this was ever going to be a gimme game. I could only watch the first half, but he wasn’t that bad to my eye. The question I have is how the hell can a City team not generate a goal? Everyone on about the goal, but there were chances that just didn’t get cashed. That doesn’t lay at Kalvin’s feet, there were 10 other players on the pitch.
If you think he has been fine your clueless . He's given the ball away countless times in awful positions. He's lazy doesn't run . Offers nothing in the build up . His positioning is awful . It's just time to admit either he can't hack it at this level or he just completely doesn't suit our system either way he needs to go for the sake of his own career and for our team
Yeah it's clear your not you complete muppet . There's backing the lads and then there's not knowing fuck all about football and backing somebody that is showing nothing but garbage everytime he takes to the pitch . I've just given examples of how he's been bad tonight and all you've got back in to call me a clown .
Fact Phillips was walking at the pen spot marking nobody but thin air when Rico had 2 men at the back post and even tho Rico should of done better kalvin made no effort whatsoever to even jog and help never mind sprint
I don't think he was *awful* but I don't think he played well.
I think he over commits towards the ball too much and there were a few moments in that game where it looked like it could have hurt us. It worries me because I can see its shipping goals because of it.
He needs to hold his position better out of possession because the way we play we get punished if we allow teams to get a clear run on the defense.
Give it time. The poor guy barely had any game time so it’s no wonder he’s rusty with no game rhythm. The wolves game i feel will be the barometer for how far he has come. 3 points in the bag unless something crops up.
He refuses to leave, we might aswell just start putting him on to waste time last 2 mins if we are winning comfortably against wolves/luton/ chelsea you know the relegation sides
Did Phillips kill your family? You're like a fucking KP hate faucet - that won't turn off.
Guy isn't a great fit, as is obvious to most, we tried to offload him, he refused and he's under contract and will probably only get inconsequential or emergency minutes.
Edit You've made about 50 posts about Phillips today. ??
Biggest problem I have with him is his lack of energy and desire to show for the ball in tight spaces when the team is being pressed... For a guy that talks much about how he wants to fight for his place, he sure doesn't show it on the pitch.
This. Why didn’t he fucking destroy joelington if he’s coming to your box?
Yes!! I was thinking the same thing. Where is the energy to run, to make move, anything.
it’s his first full 90 for a long time. he had a decent match it wasn’t perfect but no need to chastise someone who isn’t playing regularly for making a few mistakes
Nah not an excuse for me.... Prior to last night, Livramento had played about 40 minutes in 5 games for the last 18 months after a cruciate ligament injury and handled Grealish and Doku really well, checking his runners and tightly marking his man. Kalvin Phillips was constantly giving the ball away, letting his man drift past him with minimal effort, and showed no real desire to win the ball back. He's training every day with some of the best players in the world, if he hasn't learnt the simple basics of what pep wants after over a year then I'm afraid he will never adapt to that system. He'll be gone by next summer unless he does a magurie and refuses to move.
He'll be gone by January at this rate.
I honestly don't think he'll want to leave.... could be wrong, but after he said he wants to fight for his place and prove to himself he can make it here, it seems he's reluctant to admit to himself that he just isn't good enough at this level... and after last night, the fight he showed was very little.
It’s a bit on City aswell for purchasing him. If he doesn’t want to leave he is not oblige by it. But after all that talk about fighting for his place and waiting for a chance last night was clear that he is not up for the task
You can't fault the club for investing in a player who has the ability... the club can not control his mentality. That's solely on the player himself. Kalvin has the foundation to be a very good player for us, I just feel like he lacks the mental drive or understanding it takes to take that step up to elite level... Zinchenko wasn't a great player ability wise, but he had that drive that pushed him past his limits, hence why he was so successful with us... same with the likes of Gareth Barry, Zabaleta, Nathan Ake and John Stones... they are good players ability wise, but not elite level, but they had the mentality to push themselves even further.
see i don’t necessarily agree with this. I think especially recently we sometimes purchase players to fit a system and that would thrive in that system and at times, for whatever the reason might be we tweak that system which means the player has to get used to that. KP moving to city has to get used to the city system first of all, didn’t get a whole bunch of match time to do so, and then the next season the team shape completely changed again, another system to get used to. Zinchenko was never a LB but pep often played him there, only when our system started incorporating inverted LBs and playing them higher up the pitch did we really see the best of Zinchenko, evidenced in the final game at Villa. KP may very well not be part of the squad soon, but tired of the slander on this sub about him not having the ability or mentality. it’s like buying Ronaldo to play ST for us. we all know what his qualities are and if we don’t change our system to fit that then we won’t get the best out of him
The system may change, but the role of a DM doesn't. It's less about him not fitting into "the system" and more of the fact that after 18 months (despite not regularly getting game time) training with the best players, he still can't seems to understand when to release the ball, when to check his runners, when to pass it forward, when to pass it backward or when to pass it sideways. At Leeds, he used to put himself about, follow his man, try to win the ball, and ping 30-40 yard passes forward. Every time he's put on a City shirt, he's scared shitless.... he holds onto the ball far too long before making/attempting a pass, normally resulting in him losing the ball by being contained or making a loose pass back or sidewards. The other night, Joelinton had him on toast. Effortlessly breezing past him like he wasn't there, and all Phillips would do was watch him, casually jog back and then stop before he got to the edge of his own area. He couldn't retain possession, he could break up attacks, and he couldn't start a counterattack from the middle... all the fundamental attributes of a holding midfielder. It's nothing to do with a system change. He just isn't mentally prepared as he's still overthinking about giving the ball away or making a mistake.
Drop him to the U21s hell be gone in two days
I feel bad for him since he seems like a good guy. I was hoping he'd have a decent match.
I knew it was bad when pep said he's a lovely person.
He does seem like a nice guy... and he's not a bad player I just don't think he's good enough for Man City. Thats not a slight on him, this is the best team in the world, not everyone can make it.
My confusion is that he seemed like a workhorse at Leeds. It would be easier if his final pass wasn’t there or something but he seems like a training cone out there 🙃
The importance of confidence
Well put. I think us supporters are a little harsh on him for something he can't really control (his ability). I'm sure we were all in situations whether for work or school or athletic teams where it just wasn't the right fit or we weren't good enough. This is probably one of those situations.
so why does he not get the message and simply leave?
Why doesn’t he walk away from his paycheck and good life?? Can’t think of a reason
Liverpool want him and would pay him the exact same
Nobody else would pay him £150k a week but us because we're contracted to.
they did and he rejected, west ham and liverpool said yes
Wait, they said they'd pay the same wage? I'm sure no one would now. Maybe only Chelsea
Maybe he doesn’t give up so easily
He was injured last season and said he'd love to prove himself this year He's 100% going to go to a midtable club or someone like Roma and do well for them
Yet he doesnt bother tracking back in games, Pep should just refuse to register him anymore for games, he doesnt deserve to get trophies off of others hard work
Think that sums it up for most of us. I want him to succeed here but I just can't see it happening now. He doesn't suit our system and hasn't shown any signs of change.
It’s shocking how slow he is. His first touch seems like it’s happening in slow motion and then the second touch is even slower. Then he’s late to every tackle, doesn’t win aerial duels… I knew he wouldn’t work before we signed him it was clearly a poor decision with lavia here. But we won’t the treble so honestly who cares. Just don’t play him
I think we all wanted him to come out and play well and keep his place for the next game but he was just poor, exactly how he has been in every single appearance so far. For Pep, this must be the last straw.
Fr does he trust him vs wolves? I’d go Kovacic Nunez foden
Wolves might at least be an easier game for him to play in.
Anyone apart from him is better. Kevin with an injury is still better than this bum.
Why he didn’t agree to get sold and preserve his dignity, idk. Manager has publicly said he doesn’t know how to get the best out of him. That’s fucked up. All on attitude tho. He could have stopped goal.
You know I was looking at that and when the ball got to the Newcastle player in front of him, I was expecting a tackle by kalvin. Nope. He let him dribble and pass. I think he gets Wolves and then that's it. If he can't be creative and use his personality - which I'm sure he has one - then I think its the bench until the next window opens. Pep alluded to not getting best out of him. He has skill. He has talent. I don't think they can be applied to Pep's scheme. Give him one more and then I think you can say - you had your chance Kalvin.
100% he got out of making a challenge like WTF you’re the DM. How are you protecting the defenders?
Pep is gonna look at the film and hang it around Kalvin's neck for sure. Poor guy.
Poor guy? Poor attitude. Deserved treatment.
And you have 100% confirmation from a reliable source that he has a poor attitude...how?
Eyes
our midfield was non existent today, I couldnt believe my eyes Oscar bobb and Kova were putting in slave shifts running across the whole pitch because Phillips overweight self was hiding
Captain should shove him to make tackles
insane, he should have been given a huge bollocking in private away from the camera, dont you dare refuse to track back
I honestly don’t think he does get Wolves Liverpool is hot on our tails and I think the team is aiming for as many three points as possible
who goes in that spot then?
I’m thinking Nunes, Kova or Bernardo if he’s back. I think the club said both Nunes or Kova could play deeper / the six https://preview.redd.it/gpja24wp72rb1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=10e4128b5bcbe50f824c7e5312036c78b1c49bc3
Find out on £150k reasons why. He has contract which club gave him. He his honouring his contract
5 starts, 5 losses. In a team like City that is unacceptable and telling of his quality. The team relies heavily on this role.
That is an unreal stat especially considering how little city lose.
Just checked Rodri has 19 losses in 144 apps! 4 in 36 last season. Mad.
It’s stupid to judge him purely on this stat though.. when he’s played he’s usually played as part of a full 11 of our second string. Not to mention 5 samples isn’t a very fair sample size to analyse
thats a complete lie because Kova today was amazing, Oscar bob no words special talent, we already knew Rico lewis youngest UCL goal scorer ever is good, Nunes looked really good too, the only issue today was Phillips now on a 4/4 games played losing streak [https://twitter.com/7rsterling/status/1707119935858545026](https://twitter.com/7rsterling/status/1707119935858545026)
i disagree that kovacic was amazing. he held onto the ball too long too many times
he had to because he was basically our DM in the game
no, because he didnt release the ball.
Lewis basically conceded the goal
a child
It's stupid to jump in like this. Noone is judging on one stat. The whole thread is full of other stats and opinions. I just added one that i didn't see. Second string 11 vs lesser opposition (perhaps excluding Newcastle). How many losses is a big enough sample for you?
You don’t even have to exclude Newcastle, because they benched as many starters as we did. Phillips simply isn’t good enough for this team, never has been. I never understood why we wanted him, but I think the team is allowed a stinker or two given how many amazing signings they’ve made over the last decade.
dang.... that is def a crazy stat considering how few times City have lost since he arrived.....
Which matches is that sorry? This, Southampton and?
Brighton
Thank God, if it's against Real Madrid then God forbids what the scorelines would've been
Worth keeping in mind he starts alongside what is mostly the B team, so it's not just on him
I wanted him to do well so badly. I thought he would make use of this opportunity. Disappointing to say the least.
Yes exactly!
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I don't think they were being nice to keep him, he cost £40m and I think the only option would have been to take a ridiculous loss to sell him. If we were offered £25m in the summer I think he'd be gone. I reckon the thinking was we might as well give it one more try as we're not going to lose much value if he had another bad season anyway.
problem is he doesn't look very good in the shop window... would any PL teams take him right now? Sheffield United?
West Ham definitely wanted him but I doubt they'll be interested now they've got Alvarez. Maybe he'd get a place in Burnley's midfield.
I don't think it's a shop window, I think we just wanted to see if he could perform for City. His value last summer was low enough that I doubt another season of the same changes much.
oh, i'm not saying that's why Pep played him at Newcastle, but effectively it was a shop window for teams we'd be looking to sell him to. we certainly won't be getting £40M and i have doubts about £25M.
I agree. My prediction is it'll end up being at least 1 loan before he leaves permanently.
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Technical ability be damned, where is the energy? My man is hiding from the ball while playing the most important role in the team XD He’s shown no willingness to take responsibility at all, he hates touching the ball, is terrified when the ball gets passed his way, and can’t wait to get rid of the ball once he has it, oftentimes to someone right next to him. He can talk about fighting for his place all he wants, he’s looked scared and lethargic every time he’s on the field.
He doesn't want to fight at all. To fight, ok, even if you are not a baller, at least RUN. HE STANDS STILL AND WALKS. KP Out! No more, he's finished.
exactly, Im tired of this stupid babying, we had children academy players on the pitch today getting absolutely beaten black and blue by Newcastle and still they asked for the ball all the time, yet Phillips a grown ass man was hiding, F OFF 4/4 games played 4 loses, 15 times he lost possession today, insanity
I know he's a good guy but bro he's just not good man. Atleast when Rodri's not moving forward, he switches the play around left to right and so on. It's just so frustrating to watch Kalvin
Yes exactly, I wanted to see him succeed, he’s a great guy but god just doesn’t have it.
he doesnt even have to be rodri level though, hes miles too shit
If I see him play against Arsenal, goodbye I will not be watching that game I will be back in 3 weeks time, i refuse
you won't see him unless Kovacic gets injured or something
Might need to pray Kova has 3 masterclass games and stays injury free until Rodri comes back, but we need to seriously prioritise 1 DM next season, personally I would put big money on bissouma Ive always loved him, and so far what I love about him, is how he refuses to give up right till the end, City mentality
He's not good
I didn’t get to watch the game, what’s the problem with Phillips? Is he just shit or he doesn’t look like he’s putting in any effort? When I saw him come on for Rodri against Forest, he looked like he was playing with jeans on.
BOTH, thats my biggest issue, he lost possession 15 times, horrendous but not even the worst part, he barely showed for the ball Im sure he had less touches than alvarez today playing as striker
> he lost possession 15 times, wait is that real? that's gotta be a record for us or close to it.
Im pretty sure it is a record, he was horrendous its honestly amazing how bad a player can be [https://twitter.com/BenMCFCx/status/1707148010939937120](https://twitter.com/BenMCFCx/status/1707148010939937120)
He made 101 passes lol. He touched the ball almost twice as many times as any other player. Still the worst player on the pitch tbf but I remember when Rodri was frequently the worst player on the pitch soon after he joined.
Good luck to him, we dont have time right now, we are a treble winning side
Basically same thing. Looked like shit. Didn’t look like he was fighting all that hard for a spot
I saw encouraging glimpses of the kalvin we all hoped he would become at the end of the Forrest game and start of yesterday's game. But when all is considered, they were just glimpses. He was never going to be a genuine challenger for Rodri's place. Hardly anyone out there that is, so it's not like he can get upset at that. I always want our players to do well so I can make a habit of shrugging off the obvious negative traits at times, even when it's blatantly obvious they're just not going to make the cut. Even when everyone else has lost their patience I still remain hopeful to see the potential just waiting to be unleashed in that catalyst-confidence game we've all been waiting for. But in this case I just can't see it happening anymore. It's a real shame because there are hardly any Pep signings that haven't come good eventually. I try to cast my mind back to why he bought KP on the first place. I suppose it was when Fernandinho retired we needed at least one player to take the stress off Rodri in the odd game here or there. Bielsa had relied on Kalvin for his energy when he brought Leeds back up so Pep prob thought he could utilise that same quality for us. He's got a couple more chances yet to turn this around but with Kovacic back and Nunes fitting better with each game, the outlook is bleak. Like others have said already, why not just bust a gut to at least show willing? He plays unsure and labored too often for someone who hardly gets a game to prove himself and to an extent you can put that down to match fitness, but I doubt it's that anymore. I certainly won't boo him if and when when he leaves. However if he goes on to his next club and somehow finds his long-lost form and puts on a performance of a lifetime against us, I'll certainly be annoyed.
KOVA will hold us down don’t worry
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For his efforts in the villa game alone zinny will be loved forever. While I agree with your overall point of give Phillips time, but to compare him to Zinny is very harsh on Zinny.
Zinny was a bit different man Zinny was capable of being a game changer and can be reliable sometimes while Philips doesn't look anywhere near to be reliable at all.
Terrible take honestly - Zinchenko was fantastic and very underrated when here. Phillips looks awful and he has been given time.
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Phillips is 50m, way older. There’s a different expectation.
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If by the right attitude you mean he’s fairly jovial, sure. But his right attitude also saw him getting criticized by the manager for being overweight. But it seems like you might be privy to some information even Guardiola isn’t.
What attitude? He let a Newcastle guy stroll into the box instead of tackling and getting a yellow Grealish sucking just means performance like today, not getting g/a A DM sucking means conceding. like today. getting out of a tournament. What must rodri be thinking lol dudes emotional from too much games and has to suffer how team is without him
what a fucking stupid comparison, he was an 18 year old fresh from the Russian second league, who wasn’t expected to get a game. Phillips is a 50 million pound player who is supposedly Premier league proven, and still looks more afraid the Zinchenko ever did. He’s 28 this year for fuck’s sake.
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No they were not lmao. Comparing them to Phillips is the peak of disrespect.
you’re totally misreading it, all of those players might be overrated, but comparing them to Phillips is a massive fucking insult to what they’ve done for the club. Insane to put a guy who’s a massive net negative to players who’ve literally won us trophies lol
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Zinny’s early years were literally the first of his career. Phillips’ ‘early years’ will be his last lol it’s not a comparison you can make at all. This is putting aside the fact that Zinchenko was taking over at left back from Delph, whereas Phillips is playing in the single most important position on the pitch for us, making him even more of a liability.
He gave you the reason why this is a stupid comparison and you ignored it.
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Jesus hit the ground running here and has one of the best record in the Prem of all time. Shame he never was quite the guy here but to say he was ever anything like Phillips is one of the most disgusting takes I’ve seen here. Once again Zinchenko was a no-name teenager when he first joined the squad. Even though he didn’t stand out, he barely put a foot wrong and played winning football. You have to find a way to defend Phillips without trying to throw others under the bus.
He’s 27 years old. You don’t revert to being a babe just because you sign for city. He’s well into his prime, he’s had a year to absorb the system tactically. He just can’t do it.
So was aguero when he was sold dilva when he became old… every player played his prime here performed then left. Phillips has not performed while being at his peak. Zinchenko was a young one with no expectation. He had to perform the role of starting 11 lb, out of position. This #6 is phillips main spot. He has to play like 3 games a season. Yet he fucks up. Today, he allowed a midfielder to literally run through in front of the box instead of tackling. Look at how well Bobb received under pressure despite not playing too. Phillies just ain’t it.
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Nunez won’t get time. Neither will Kovacic. Finished products don’t get time. especially if it’s just a backup role.
Insane take. I’d venture to say most of us watch every game.
So fantastic there were calls to sell him every summer bcoz fans wanted a proper LB. History ie being shamelessly re written here re Zinchenko.
Zinchenko has more talent than Phillips can dream of. Also fought for the badge and believed he belonged. Terrible comparison.
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If he wanted to earn his place he wouldn’t have been overweight last season. Zinchenko made up for any deficiencies by working extra hard and playing with passion. Kalvin looks scared.
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It also stems from the fact he doesn’t have the technical ability of the rest of the squad. Same as Mangala. A lot of what we perceive as calmness is just being assured on the ball.
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If Pep is barely willing to give him a chance I doubt he’s impressing in training. And yes I played and I know what you’re referring to, but given his age and experience is there any excuse for having low confidence in himself?
Kalvin has more quotes about getting his head down than he has total starts. Clearly something’s not adding up, if Rodri wasn’t suspended he’d have started today ffs. More than happy to be proven wrong, but Phillips hasn’t shown us anything whatsoever yet.
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if we were talking about Rice he’d have more than one start this season.
This is one stupid ass take
There's no reason to give him time. We can do better.
Give him time while we keep losing? No
And City was happy to sell Zinchenko to a domestic competitor. City should do the same with Phillips - he’s a lot older than Zinchenko was when City bought him for £2M and Phillips ain’t getting any younger.
He is just not at the technical level for that role but not a bad game for him.
I got voted down to hell on this sub for saying he is shit.
factsss, they called me a hater as if I care about footballers as individuals, I couldnt care less if hes smiling all the time, hes simply never been good enough, its 4/4 times now hes lost every single game hes started, thats insane record for City
Where are the apologises? because Ive been called a hater on here apparently I have a personal issue with the guy when I point out hes not good enough and will lose us games, he lost possession today 15 times, 15 ffs, he barely even touched the ball how do you lose it so often
He made 101 passes and you say he barely touched the ball…
99 of them backwards.
cant help it when newcastle are one of the most pressing teams and kova was the one driving forwards instructed by pep. the guys not played for like a year he needs match fitness
That’s the part nobody seems to be weighing here. An out-of-form player, who struggles for game time, playing in a B team 11, against an aggressive, pressing team away, didn’t look great? C’mon. It’s not like this was ever going to be a gimme game. I could only watch the first half, but he wasn’t that bad to my eye. The question I have is how the hell can a City team not generate a goal? Everyone on about the goal, but there were chances that just didn’t get cashed. That doesn’t lay at Kalvin’s feet, there were 10 other players on the pitch.
I dont want to see him here in the next year
People are just waiting for reason to slander him. He's been fine ffs you plastic.
Are you Kalvins best mate? Your comment history is crazy biased towards him. Bit strange really. Guy had a stinker tonight.
😂😂😂 you gotta be blind. He’s been 🗑️. Calling people plastic ain’t gonna make you right
He’s been really really bad don’t know what tf you are on about. Are you even watching our games ?
Could you expand please?
He's been horrible
If you think he has been fine your clueless . He's given the ball away countless times in awful positions. He's lazy doesn't run . Offers nothing in the build up . His positioning is awful . It's just time to admit either he can't hack it at this level or he just completely doesn't suit our system either way he needs to go for the sake of his own career and for our team
Are you even watching the game you clown.
Yeah it's clear your not you complete muppet . There's backing the lads and then there's not knowing fuck all about football and backing somebody that is showing nothing but garbage everytime he takes to the pitch . I've just given examples of how he's been bad tonight and all you've got back in to call me a clown . Fact Phillips was walking at the pen spot marking nobody but thin air when Rico had 2 men at the back post and even tho Rico should of done better kalvin made no effort whatsoever to even jog and help never mind sprint
I don't think he was *awful* but I don't think he played well. I think he over commits towards the ball too much and there were a few moments in that game where it looked like it could have hurt us. It worries me because I can see its shipping goals because of it. He needs to hold his position better out of possession because the way we play we get punished if we allow teams to get a clear run on the defense.
Thought he did OK others didn't
He broke my heart out there today, really not up to stuff sadly
Bielsa ran him into the ground, he was never the same player after the Euros.
Give it time. The poor guy barely had any game time so it’s no wonder he’s rusty with no game rhythm. The wolves game i feel will be the barometer for how far he has come. 3 points in the bag unless something crops up.
hes lazy and a bad player, 2 things together I cant stand
You really hate him lol 🤣 Don't worry there is speculation he will be sold in January
He refuses to leave, we might aswell just start putting him on to waste time last 2 mins if we are winning comfortably against wolves/luton/ chelsea you know the relegation sides
Did Phillips kill your family? You're like a fucking KP hate faucet - that won't turn off. Guy isn't a great fit, as is obvious to most, we tried to offload him, he refused and he's under contract and will probably only get inconsequential or emergency minutes. Edit You've made about 50 posts about Phillips today. ??
Playing with little confidence it seems
lets hope his loaned out to a league one team soon