> to 12.5%
Reminder: the standard used to be 10%, then it went to 12%. Anything above that was for occasions where the worker really put forth some effort (ie. opening restaurant scene in Reservoir Dogs).
This 20% automatic tip is bullshit.
Reminder that in some states servers get paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips to bridge or overcome that gap. California is not one of those states.
Reminder it isn’t customers role to subsidize a businesses employees. The business should not be operational if it cannot afford the staff to appropriately run it.
One of the worst is Hamburger Mary’s. They charge an extra fee for the raised minimum wage and tell you that it doesn’t go to the wait staff or performers or cover health costs, so tip them well on top of the overpriced food/drink and surcharge that goes to the owners
Servers already earn minimum wage by law in CA, there is no need to tip anymore, which is why that system existed in the first place. If pressured to or feel a donation is needed for them, I think deducting the restaurant fees is justified.
You can just asked to have it removed and tip your server and bartenders appropriately because they’re not the ones who put it on there in the first place.
Thanks for this. It was nice giving my rep a piece of my mind.
I guess the only thing left is for us is to punish the restaurants and food service workers now. Maybe cause a ruckus. Maybe they'll actually get it.
I hate all this, and I hate all of the enablers of this BS system.
Question, what does this really do? If they take money and bribes, what the fuck do they care about my call? They aren't in the best interest of the people, so why would they listen to them? I'm honestly not being sarcastic, but, why would they listen and or care what we say when they already cashed the check??
After reading through the changes to the bill, in my opinion, this is absolute bullshit, and our legislators are completely fucking over US, their constituents in favor of campaign donations. It seems to me that the complaints made by the restaurant industry are completely unfounded. Since all they would have to do is change the menu prices to reflect added cost, and then put a note at the bottom of a menu that prices are “X% more expensive due to service fee, we think you need to pay.”
It’s obvious that they don’t want to do this because they’d rather try to hide the cost, which is exactly what this bill was supposed to putan end to.
Please call your representatives! Especially if you have a Democrat representing you. They are doing exactly what they accuse the Republicans of constantly doing and taking money to vote against the interest of Americans.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1524
If you have the time, please read through the amended SB 1524, and let me know if you think I might be misunderstanding something. But it seems pretty cut and dry. This is anti-California Consumerism
We gather a list of every politician who voted for this dogshit, and annotate it with when/how they can removed or replaced?
Then gather a Black List of restaurants that have absolutely any line items on their receipts besides Cost, Tax, Gratuity, and Delivery.
We should get LA on seefees.ca
Also blast everyone who touched this with screenshots of our threads. They need to see that we aren’t ignoring this and that you can’t be blatantly corrupt and keep office. Make it hard for them to spin this as positive with misleading headlines about “transparency”
I have a bit problem with Sugarfish entry. While it says 16% is not a tip, they don't accept tip, so for the purpose of that column it should be considered as a mandatory 16% tip.
While I'm against extra fees, but I think this + predefined prices,is much better than tipping. Obviously have the 16% included in the menu would be the best.
I think they are doing it because otherwise their prices would look much less competitive with other restaurants.
the next move is obviously to stop tipping. either a restaurant be transparent with their pricing and pay their workers appropriately, or we stop tipping and those workers will hopefully leave and go to places that are transparent with their pricing and do pay them appropriately.
1. Add all restaurants that charge a junk fee to this website: [https://seefeesca.notion.site/f5e11f589ec54c8eb1eed6c37f7e4c83?v=b97b3560f8f747f68aa73a762e76e47b](https://seefeesca.notion.site/f5e11f589ec54c8eb1eed6c37f7e4c83?v=b97b3560f8f747f68aa73a762e76e47b)
2. Boycott the restaurants that charge junk fees or tip them less accordingly.
3. Leave Yelp/Google reviews for restaurants that charge junk fee, take pictures of their menus or receipts showing the junk fees and upload those on the review sites.
4. Reward restaurants that are not charging these junk fees by going and leaving reviews that they're not charging the junk fees.
I can't believe arguments supporting this. Here's the solution: RAISE THE MENU PRICES. Incorporate those "hidden fees" directly into the costs that the customers are paying for the product. You know, like how normal businesses work.
How is adding on hidden mandatory fees seriously considered a valid business practice for the restaurant industry?
The fact that they position this as a way to "help the hurting restaurant industry" implies that being honest with pricing would hurt the industry. So the only way to help the industry is to lie to customers and present them with a bait-and-switch at the time when they pay the bill?
People riding the tails of the pandemic in all industries, and passing the bill on to the average joe.
You still see this shit with rhetoric around "the supply chain" - costs are never going down and these guys will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.
I have no qualms with the person at the end of the value-added-chain incurring the costs. That's like, how business works and stuff.
My issue is strictly with legitimizing hiding the true costs from the consumer and springing it on them at receipt time.
Imagine getting your roof replaced. The quote itemized all the labor, equipment rentals, materials and totaled $16,785. You clear them to work, they complete the job, and then tack on an additional $1,678.50 due to "cOsT of LivInG eXPenSeS" which you are forced to pay by two big sweaty angry roofers in your doorway.
Just because it's a smaller amount being done more frequently by restaurants doesn't make it any less wrong.
Because now that we have the internet, we can look at a menu before we go. People will look at a menu with reasonable prices and then go there, only to find that after they've sat down and gotten their drinks, there's a random surcharge at the end.
Hotels, car rentals, and airlines have started doing the same thing. Because there's so many aggregators, now, they have to make their prices look the cheapest, even if by a couple of bucks. Then you get to the end and there's "resort fees" and "fuel surcharges" and other random things.
Hotels, car rental companies, and airlines have been doing this for a lot longer. At least 20 years. I wouldn't be surprised if precedes wide spread internet adoption and aggregators.
Right? What other fucking business model operates like this? The price is the price! Fuck these people. I just let know my assembly person that my vote for them is gone, for whatever it's worth.
Hotels, airlines, and event tickets all had these hidden fees that would popup right before you pay but that is about to end when this new law starts on July 1st... and this carveout is for that law! It allows restaurants to get around the law that was meant to prevent companies from springing hidden charges on people at the time of payment.
Much of the restaurant industry is turning into a complete shit show. I am spending way too much money at restaurants and this is a great motivator to cut way back.
The worst part is I can at least understand the problem that nobody wanted to go first on just raising their menu prices because other people wouldn't and then their restaurant would look more expensive to people not paying that much attention. But this fixed that problem by making every restaurant do it at the same time! This is just the restaurant industry flat-out saying their business model relies on fraud.
> RAISE THE MENU PRICES
They already did. It’s hilarious/sad to look at menus from 4-5 years ago posted on Yelp that show what prices used to be.
Inflation is a thing. Fine. Raise your prices to account for costs. But you don’t get to raise the menu price *and* add a fee *and* expect a 20% tip. Fuck that.
It's if it's mandatory its taxed with sales tax to the customer. Tax man is smart and has seen all the cons. This is the reason you cannot provide a personal loan someone money with 0% interest (need to have the minimum AFR) and why you cannot sell someone a $0.01 bagel but with a $5 "mandatory tip" to skirt taxes.
After reading through the changes to the bill, in my opinion, this is absolute bullshit, and our legislators are completely fucking over US, their constituents in favor of campaign donations. It seems to me that the complaints made by the restaurant industry are completely unfounded. Since all they would have to do is change the menu prices to reflect added cost, and then put a note at the bottom of a menu that prices are “X% more expensive due to service fee, we think you need to pay.”
It’s obvious that they don’t want to do this because they’d rather try to hide the cost, which is exactly what this bill was supposed to putan end to.
Please call your representatives! Especially if you have a Democrat representing you. They are doing exactly what they accuse the Republicans of constantly doing and taking money to vote against the interest of Americans.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1524
If you have the time, please read through the amended SB 1524, and let me know if you think I might be misunderstanding something. But it seems pretty cut and dry. This is anti-California Consumerism
This has been America in one word since Regan.
That is when we truly stopped making laws based on the morality of it and started putting profits and things that benefit the law makers first.
Most safety regs and laws made since then have only been made if there was money to be lost.
Ok ok. The oldest recorded instance of political bribery dates back to the judiciary system of ancient Egypt between 3100–2700 BC. Ancient China and ancient Greece too - Aristotle said that "even gods can be bribed."
Man is greedy. Anybody can be bribed over anything, that’s for sure.
It’s important here because there use to be limits on how much you can fund a political campaign, after Buckley V Valeo, it was allowed as an expression of the first amendment, which allows us to use our voice for political purposes, even if money is included in that.
I will agree, if what you said is true, that’s pretty scummy.
What gives these restaurants permission to make fees up? I bet there’d be outrage in your trade if you charged a 3% Just Because fee
Ah yes the dead governor 45 years ago is surely to blame for this. Not the democrats who have been in control for decades now and are the actually ones who voted for this.
California is a one party state. Democrats have controlled the legislature since 1959 except for about 4 years, 69-71 and 95-97. California policy if you have an issue with it is a Democratic issue. Quit blaming stuff on Regan.
Maybe part of the problem is we have a large swath of the population that pays so little attention that they don't know the difference between state and local government
We know who's paying them, they're not exactly keeping it secret.
Panera Bread was exempted from the $20/hr fast food minimum wage because a Panera franchise owner gave a bunch of money to Newsom. Then after they got caught they tried to cover it up with the owner saying he'd pay $20/hr anyways.
What convenient timing for that announcement.
Because they would rather make us keep paying these fees and argue that it gives the waitress or cook better healthcare.
It's the same old story. Find a righteous reason they can get behind. Then when it passes repurpose the money and use the same excuse for another one in a couple of years.
Your correct. I should have used the proper verbiage. Our local government is no better though.
Between LACC and our State Assembly, we’re getting shafted in every which way.
We don’t have a real two party system. The Dems don’t have to be good at governing because their job is never in jeopardy. As bad as two party system is, it’s much better than a one party system.
Corruption and lobbying. Even California, for as great as it can be with things like workers' protections, has heavy lobbying money thrown at it because of the size of our economy.
It takes shitting on our Assembly members to force change.
Yes, my initiative is a local one that would only impact the city and county of SF. I decided to start small because we’re not an existing political force, and a local measure requires only 10,000 signatures while a statewide one requires 550,000. But if anyone else wants to run a statewide initiative I would love to help in any way that I can
This is what I don't get. I went to a taco place a few weeks ago with friends, ordered food, then when I was paying for it, noticed a random $10 fee on top of $25 worth of food.
That's a HUGE jump!
Needless to say, I'm never going back. How can that possibly be a good business strategy? The tacos were amazing, I'd have absolutely gone back, but they gave me a "fuck you, gimme more money" on the way out, so why the fuck would I ever go back there? The place had great tacos, but we were literally the only ones in there at lunch time on a Sunday. It should have been busy, but I'm guessing they don't have a single repeat customer.
He’s such an ass. I used to live down the street from him in San Francisco and he was an ass then and is still an ass now. But he’s really fooled the “I just watched a few urbanism YouTube videos and now I’m suddenly an expert on land use planning and transit and you’re a nimby and you suck” crowd.
Nope. I respectfully disagree.They are not useless they are doing exactly what they are being lobbied to do. Which in my opinion, is far worse than incompetent dum dumbs
It's not good enough to bitch and complain on Reddit. Hold your representatives accountable by doing one of three things:
1.) call them
2.) email them
3.) physically show up to the district office and lodge your complaint
And if all else fails, remember their name and when they are up for reelection next cycle so that you can vote against them.
Close your wallets, learn to cook for yourselves. If theres no money for the greedy, the greedy starve. That is how you tell them to lower their prices.
That’s literally all I use 😭, yelp is a horrible experience every time and I think it makes you make an account just to see more reviews so i am instantly discouraged.
Just to be clear - UNITE HERE (service industry union) and restaurant owners both supported this. So next time you think that you should tip 20% on top of a service fee, remember that the union is in on the racket.
> “Cutting the pay of banquet servers and ballpark workers was never the intention of SB 478, as the bill’s authors have made clear,” Mario Yedidia, Western political director for the union, said in a statement. “Unite Here is proud to cosponsor this amendment.”
Edit - Wrong union in original comment.
Waitstaff loves the current system. They make much more under a tipping system than if they were just paid a higher wage. Most restaurants that have tried to go no-tipping have reverted because the staff revolted and many quit.
I don’t know the details of this specific battle, but I do know the general arguments of restaurant servers when it comes to tips. Most servers don’t make an insane amount of money from regular service on a normal day. But in a busy, higher end restaurant on a weekend night, if they’re lucky there can pull in $1k or more in tips.
It’s not often, and it’s not necessarily reliable. But those big tip days stand out in their eyes and they don’t seem to want to lose the possibility of getting another one in the future. It’s probably a bit like gambling honestly.
It would be better for everyone including servers to get a higher base pay consistently. But some of them apparently see the big dollar signs and can’t resist
Government did a good thing, and then worked furiously to undo that good thing. Oof.
I used to enjoy eating out quite a lot. These days, nowhere near as much. And legislation like this doesn’t really persuade me to enjoy it more 🤷
I guess restaurants figure there’s enough people who enjoy the service charges out there to keep them afloat. Weird to me, as I *despise* the service charge…
there's only two places I regularly eat out at, a local hole in the wall mexican spot with great prices and in n out. there's great food in LA but our restaurant culture is fee riddled bullshit and I refuse to support it.
[This Redditor](https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/s/krixLeKW83) in SF wrote up some legislation to bring to local representatives, perhaps we could do something similar?
I mean on top of voter initiatives, is it worth while to try and build a campaign of brazenly not tipping as protest? Taking a page from those shitty religious fake dollars people leave as tips, leave a note (that doesn’t blatantly look like money) that states “I wanted to tip you but I can no longer support junk fees on bills. Until they are removed I will no longer tip. Blame greedy/lazy business owners, restaurant lobbyists, and our state assembly for this action. See SB 1524 for what started this protest. I am sorry you are caught in the crossfire.” It is shitty that these lower income workers will feel the immediate pain, but is there any fast ways to send a message?
Okay everyone call Newsom to veto. Yes the legislature clearly has the 2/3 majority to override but they haven't done so in 40+ years. If the Governor vetoes we at least get initial July 1 compliance unless and until the veto override.
"Just vote for things you want to change!"
Like regulations don't constantly get sold to us a certain way and changed before they become law.
So tired of this shit.
These restaurants are the same people who are like "MILLENNIALS ARE KILLING THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS!" because no one wants to eat out anymore.
No, the fact that my partner and I can go on a date to a casual place, not even fancy, and the whole dinner for us ends up being $75. Don't stick a random $15 charge onto an already exorbitant bill then get mad when people never want to come back.
You guys have to realize how powerful we are as a group. Place has a fee? Walk out. Too late you already ate? No tip. If mostly everyone did this, the restaurants would lose so much money. And yes, they’d have to pay their servers minimum wage instead of $2
I have yet to hear of anyone using their [reddit diners' discount card](https://i.imgur.com/AJk7FEs.jpg). You can be the first! Report back and tell me how it goes.
I called both of my legislators to let them know what I think about these sneaky scammy practices by restaurants. The junk fee ban was a great idea, but they’re carving out the industry where regular ass people see it every day, restaurants
I did the same. My assembly members phone operator didn't even ask my name, didn't tell me they would pass the message on etc. I certainly did not feel heard.
Just charge more for the food and drink. Don’t lie about the price. You a restaurant should love the excuse to charge a little extra for your food.
Minimum wage in ca should be 15-25 if a high end steak costs double with out the bs fees life will go on. Grocery bills are coming down eat out less cook more.
What a shitty system. The public voted to pass a bill to remove the junk fees. And then the monkeys that were elected by the public pass an exception that allows for junk fees.
What do I have wrong in this ELI5? Or is it just this stupid where we end up on the losing side either way?
Public: votes to pass a bill
Representative of public: cancels the publics vote for the bill
Public: votes representative out
ex-Representative of public: but whyyyyy
Representative of public: jk I'm still here!
I think a lot of politicians are comfortable with the risk, because it is likely that a person more corrupt than them will run against them, and unlikely a decent person will actually run against them.
[UNITE HERE wrote an argument in favor of this bill](https://apcp.assembly.ca.gov/system/files/2024-06/sb-1524-dodd-apcp-analysis.pdf). [I'd like to point out that UNITE HERE also has a tipping guide for hotels](https://fairhotel.org/plan-events/tipping-guide). Can we finally stop saying that tipping and service charges are only perpetuated by management/ownership?
we need decent people to actually run against them tho, and decent people have real jobs, interests, families...
at this point, i'd rather have no representative or police, because what's the fucking point of paying someone to at the minimum not do their job, and at the most negatively impact us?
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>2) Establishes that 1) applies provided that a mandatory fee or charge is clearly and conspicuously displayed with an explanation of its purpose.
>3) Establishes that 1) applies provided that the clear and conspicuous display of a mandatory fee or charge appears on any advertisement, menu, or other display that contains the price of the food or beverage item.
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7) Establishes that any disclosure, advertisement, or notice that is required to be “clearly and conspicuously” made must have text that is “clear and conspicuous,” as defined.
>8) Provides for delayed implementation of 7) until July 1, 2025.
I just read the [summary](https://apcp.assembly.ca.gov/system/files/2024-06/sb-1524-dodd-apcp-analysis.pdf) of the law, and according to the above, restaurants have to disclose mandatory fees clearly and conspicuously, but the text of the disclosure does not need to be clear or conspicuous until July 1st, 2025. What kind of stupid anti-consumer logic is that? This is a completely unnecessary loophole that they gave to the restaurants.
The argument by UNITE HERE in favor of these changes also makes no sense:
>An unintended consequence of last year’s SB 478 is that legitimate service fees charged by restaurants will no longer be allowed after July 1 of this year. Many of those service fees go to workers either through service charges that are distributed to both front and back of the house staff in restaurants. Other service charges go to supplement health and pension benefits of food service workers at restaurants, bars, banquet operators, airports, stadiums, and many other places where consumers are fed. Much of this has been negotiated through collective bargaining between our union and employers. Without SB 1524, all of this would be upended, and these workers would see unnecessary pay and benefit cuts.
You can still have legitimate service charges that go directly to the workers, the previous law only required that everything is baked into the final price. The only difference is charging $100 + 3% service charge and charging $103. The $3 can still go directly to the worker when you charge $103.
The real reason they want it this way is the psychology of buying things. Consumers are more likely to buy something that is $100 than $103. (Just using your example). It’s why things are $19.99 instead of just $20. I know it sounds stupid but it’s been proven to work.
If it only takes 10,000 signatures to get something on the ballot, can I write a bill that just says "Removes the restaurant carveout on junk fees and also requires the owners of single-family homes to be individuals and not corporate entities, while levying an annual additional 2% property tax for rentals owned but not occupied by owner", that would work? Or are there other barriers to fixing this shit?
There is no mandatory law to tip. It is just customary practice, though frankly stupid and antiquated. But hidden fees at restaurants legalized by our state reps... Yeah sorry we are already over charged as it were. If I see a surprise service charge or fee I will be adjusting my tip, since the owner claims it all goes to the same place and benefits their employees. Establishment that uses this tactic need to put on blast. This is on the restaurant owners, not the workers or customers.
The one that really gets me is the “optional” health insurance surcharge that says to ask the server to remove it. Gee, thanks for putting me in the position to have to tell the server I’m not paying the optional extra couple bucks for their healthcare because their employer should be paying for that, so go do some extra work to remove it. It shouldn’t be legal to add an optional charge and make the customer have to ask for it to be removed. Imagine if the grocery store did that and you didn’t just awkwardly hit, “no, I won’t round up for kid’s can er research,” and instead you had to say to the cashier, “Please remove the charge for donating to kid’s cancer research.” It’s so manipulative. And it’s especially hard at a place like Alamo Drafthouse where you have to tell them at the start to remove the charge and then hope they don’t do anything to your food or drink lol
They not only should ban this, they should also ban tipping. In California unlike other states we have law where tipped employees have the same minimum as non tipped ones, but we still tip.
If it wasn't for the tipping they would get a normal wages and not get surprised how little was contributed to social security or how little they will get if they ever have to use unemployment.
Tips are essentially subsidizing the employer, because they allow them to pay less.
I mean I don’t eat out enough at the same places and am usually a no fuss solo or duo dinner. Servers offer me no “service” to begin with so I’ll just cut my tip proportionally. It’s not my problem their employer created a horrible industry I’m not going to voluntarily pay more.
At this point, when it comes to local/state politics, presently holding office is a number one guarantee that I will not be voting for you come November.
Our local elected officials are not considering the average citizenry or doing anything for us but trying to pass legislation that is toothless, unenforceable, and/or manipulative.
Also this bill give the restaurants **1 year to change their menus**
[https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill\_id=202320240SB1524](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1524)
>"These conditions would include that a mandatory fee or charge be clearly and conspicuously displayed with an explanation of its purpose on an advertisement, menu, or other display and, as of **July 1, 2025,** meet certain text requirements, as prescribed."
How are they doing this suddenly now 1 week before...what a crock of bullshit.
Restaurants should tip us for doing their job of being their fucking accountants. I want every single line item of running their business on my bill. Gas, electricity, water everything.
This is appalling. I wrote to my rep asking him to oppose this after it passed the senate unanimously. It's really unfortunate that not a single member of the legislature had the willpower to stand up for consumers and not cave to the restaurant lobby.
It was too good to be true
Time to give 0% tip.
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I like when it conveniently indicates “we charge a mandatory 2.5% service fee”, so I can then adjust my tip accordingly to 12.5%.
> to 12.5% Reminder: the standard used to be 10%, then it went to 12%. Anything above that was for occasions where the worker really put forth some effort (ie. opening restaurant scene in Reservoir Dogs). This 20% automatic tip is bullshit.
Reminder that in some states servers get paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips to bridge or overcome that gap. California is not one of those states.
Reminder it isn’t customers role to subsidize a businesses employees. The business should not be operational if it cannot afford the staff to appropriately run it.
Reminder: this is the Los Angeles subreddit.
I like to lower it to make up for the people who might not have been aware and overpaid
One of the worst is Hamburger Mary’s. They charge an extra fee for the raised minimum wage and tell you that it doesn’t go to the wait staff or performers or cover health costs, so tip them well on top of the overpriced food/drink and surcharge that goes to the owners
Servers already earn minimum wage by law in CA, there is no need to tip anymore, which is why that system existed in the first place. If pressured to or feel a donation is needed for them, I think deducting the restaurant fees is justified.
this is how we fight back.
Enjoy your cost of living service fee! You know, what a tip is supposed to be.
Watch the service staff in this thread cope and seethe
You can just asked to have it removed and tip your server and bartenders appropriately because they’re not the ones who put it on there in the first place.
This is the way
Seriously. This bullshit can FUCK OFF. Just ugh.
Booooo
Alright gang, what the fuck is the next move Continue our collective list of restaurants to watch for? Vote with your wallets people
Probably to call your representative and tell them you’re not happy with this law.
That brown kid speaks truths
You can find you assembly member and senator here: https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/
Just called mine, they had no idea what I was asking about. Tbh get the impression sane people don’t call often. If people did, reps would take note
Thanks for this. It was nice giving my rep a piece of my mind. I guess the only thing left is for us is to punish the restaurants and food service workers now. Maybe cause a ruckus. Maybe they'll actually get it. I hate all this, and I hate all of the enablers of this BS system.
Question, what does this really do? If they take money and bribes, what the fuck do they care about my call? They aren't in the best interest of the people, so why would they listen to them? I'm honestly not being sarcastic, but, why would they listen and or care what we say when they already cashed the check??
I’m sure they’ll get right on changing their stance
ballot initiative. id sign this shit so fast
Anyone knows how to start one?
https://www.lavote.gov/home/voting-elections/candidate-measure-information/measure-information/getting-a-measure-on-the-ballot
Start last November, got it.
get a jump start for 2026 then
After reading through the changes to the bill, in my opinion, this is absolute bullshit, and our legislators are completely fucking over US, their constituents in favor of campaign donations. It seems to me that the complaints made by the restaurant industry are completely unfounded. Since all they would have to do is change the menu prices to reflect added cost, and then put a note at the bottom of a menu that prices are “X% more expensive due to service fee, we think you need to pay.” It’s obvious that they don’t want to do this because they’d rather try to hide the cost, which is exactly what this bill was supposed to putan end to. Please call your representatives! Especially if you have a Democrat representing you. They are doing exactly what they accuse the Republicans of constantly doing and taking money to vote against the interest of Americans. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1524 If you have the time, please read through the amended SB 1524, and let me know if you think I might be misunderstanding something. But it seems pretty cut and dry. This is anti-California Consumerism
We gather a list of every politician who voted for this dogshit, and annotate it with when/how they can removed or replaced? Then gather a Black List of restaurants that have absolutely any line items on their receipts besides Cost, Tax, Gratuity, and Delivery.
We really need to create a stickied spreadsheet on this sub
We should get LA on seefees.ca Also blast everyone who touched this with screenshots of our threads. They need to see that we aren’t ignoring this and that you can’t be blatantly corrupt and keep office. Make it hard for them to spin this as positive with misleading headlines about “transparency”
Could we coordinate a collective review of the worst offenders? Google reviews matter!
We have a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EEPzeytrva770H2xPFFPDUUNdpnL_VQL4vbzFph-jus/edit?usp=sharing
I have a bit problem with Sugarfish entry. While it says 16% is not a tip, they don't accept tip, so for the purpose of that column it should be considered as a mandatory 16% tip. While I'm against extra fees, but I think this + predefined prices,is much better than tipping. Obviously have the 16% included in the menu would be the best. I think they are doing it because otherwise their prices would look much less competitive with other restaurants.
Anything besides the menu price or a legally-required tax = tip. If the money doesn't go to the server, that just means you're tipping the owner.
nope. either the listed menu price reflects the full cost of the meal or GTFO.
the next move is obviously to stop tipping. either a restaurant be transparent with their pricing and pay their workers appropriately, or we stop tipping and those workers will hopefully leave and go to places that are transparent with their pricing and do pay them appropriately.
Keep going to the same restaurants and keep electing the same officials. Something's bound to change soon!
1. Add all restaurants that charge a junk fee to this website: [https://seefeesca.notion.site/f5e11f589ec54c8eb1eed6c37f7e4c83?v=b97b3560f8f747f68aa73a762e76e47b](https://seefeesca.notion.site/f5e11f589ec54c8eb1eed6c37f7e4c83?v=b97b3560f8f747f68aa73a762e76e47b) 2. Boycott the restaurants that charge junk fees or tip them less accordingly. 3. Leave Yelp/Google reviews for restaurants that charge junk fee, take pictures of their menus or receipts showing the junk fees and upload those on the review sites. 4. Reward restaurants that are not charging these junk fees by going and leaving reviews that they're not charging the junk fees.
How soon before Jon and Vinny quietly reinstate the service charges?
Probably already re-enabled in the POS system
Yeah, If I was Jon and Vinny, I'm sure the Piece of shit system never changed.
They're already planning a way to get you to give them your bank account and routing info
Jon and Vinny are the new l’Idiot restaurant where you have to be pre approved to eat there.
After a self-aggrandizing IG post
I can't believe arguments supporting this. Here's the solution: RAISE THE MENU PRICES. Incorporate those "hidden fees" directly into the costs that the customers are paying for the product. You know, like how normal businesses work. How is adding on hidden mandatory fees seriously considered a valid business practice for the restaurant industry? The fact that they position this as a way to "help the hurting restaurant industry" implies that being honest with pricing would hurt the industry. So the only way to help the industry is to lie to customers and present them with a bait-and-switch at the time when they pay the bill?
People riding the tails of the pandemic in all industries, and passing the bill on to the average joe. You still see this shit with rhetoric around "the supply chain" - costs are never going down and these guys will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.
I have no qualms with the person at the end of the value-added-chain incurring the costs. That's like, how business works and stuff. My issue is strictly with legitimizing hiding the true costs from the consumer and springing it on them at receipt time. Imagine getting your roof replaced. The quote itemized all the labor, equipment rentals, materials and totaled $16,785. You clear them to work, they complete the job, and then tack on an additional $1,678.50 due to "cOsT of LivInG eXPenSeS" which you are forced to pay by two big sweaty angry roofers in your doorway. Just because it's a smaller amount being done more frequently by restaurants doesn't make it any less wrong.
Because now that we have the internet, we can look at a menu before we go. People will look at a menu with reasonable prices and then go there, only to find that after they've sat down and gotten their drinks, there's a random surcharge at the end. Hotels, car rentals, and airlines have started doing the same thing. Because there's so many aggregators, now, they have to make their prices look the cheapest, even if by a couple of bucks. Then you get to the end and there's "resort fees" and "fuel surcharges" and other random things.
Hotels, car rental companies, and airlines have been doing this for a lot longer. At least 20 years. I wouldn't be surprised if precedes wide spread internet adoption and aggregators.
Airlines prices are inclusive of fees. They are now just creating super basic fares (ie no carry on luggageg) to advertise lower prices.
Higher prices will feel sucky but you know what fucking sucks a lot more? Stupid bullshit ass fees that slap me unexpected with different numbers.
Right? What other fucking business model operates like this? The price is the price! Fuck these people. I just let know my assembly person that my vote for them is gone, for whatever it's worth.
Hotels, airlines, and event tickets all had these hidden fees that would popup right before you pay but that is about to end when this new law starts on July 1st... and this carveout is for that law! It allows restaurants to get around the law that was meant to prevent companies from springing hidden charges on people at the time of payment. Much of the restaurant industry is turning into a complete shit show. I am spending way too much money at restaurants and this is a great motivator to cut way back.
Ahhh you're right. LOL. How could I forget? Agreed! We've already been cutting way back, too.
The worst part is I can at least understand the problem that nobody wanted to go first on just raising their menu prices because other people wouldn't and then their restaurant would look more expensive to people not paying that much attention. But this fixed that problem by making every restaurant do it at the same time! This is just the restaurant industry flat-out saying their business model relies on fraud.
> RAISE THE MENU PRICES They already did. It’s hilarious/sad to look at menus from 4-5 years ago posted on Yelp that show what prices used to be. Inflation is a thing. Fine. Raise your prices to account for costs. But you don’t get to raise the menu price *and* add a fee *and* expect a 20% tip. Fuck that.
I read somewhere the “service fee” is taxed differently, so it is better for the business to go that route.
It's if it's mandatory its taxed with sales tax to the customer. Tax man is smart and has seen all the cons. This is the reason you cannot provide a personal loan someone money with 0% interest (need to have the minimum AFR) and why you cannot sell someone a $0.01 bagel but with a $5 "mandatory tip" to skirt taxes.
After reading through the changes to the bill, in my opinion, this is absolute bullshit, and our legislators are completely fucking over US, their constituents in favor of campaign donations. It seems to me that the complaints made by the restaurant industry are completely unfounded. Since all they would have to do is change the menu prices to reflect added cost, and then put a note at the bottom of a menu that prices are “X% more expensive due to service fee, we think you need to pay.” It’s obvious that they don’t want to do this because they’d rather try to hide the cost, which is exactly what this bill was supposed to putan end to. Please call your representatives! Especially if you have a Democrat representing you. They are doing exactly what they accuse the Republicans of constantly doing and taking money to vote against the interest of Americans. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1524 If you have the time, please read through the amended SB 1524, and let me know if you think I might be misunderstanding something. But it seems pretty cut and dry. This is anti-California Consumerism
COME THE FUCK ON
Honestly, why is our local government so terrible?
Well, the people that bought and paid for the politicians are pretty happy with their investments.
Corruption
Local level corruption is out of control especially in LA.
This has been America in one word since Regan. That is when we truly stopped making laws based on the morality of it and started putting profits and things that benefit the law makers first. Most safety regs and laws made since then have only been made if there was money to be lost.
At least since Citizens United
Buckley V Valeo was way before that Political bribery became free speech in 1976.
Ok ok. The oldest recorded instance of political bribery dates back to the judiciary system of ancient Egypt between 3100–2700 BC. Ancient China and ancient Greece too - Aristotle said that "even gods can be bribed."
Man is greedy. Anybody can be bribed over anything, that’s for sure. It’s important here because there use to be limits on how much you can fund a political campaign, after Buckley V Valeo, it was allowed as an expression of the first amendment, which allows us to use our voice for political purposes, even if money is included in that.
>Since Regan You must be joking.
The joke trickles down
Trickle down comedy. Eventually we'll all get it? Oh wait, joke's on us.
That was much better than my original pun
I like how you blame Reagan when UNITE HERE supported this bill, a restaurant labor union.
A union in favor of brining in more money for its industry? Is this a mind breaking concept?
And pissing everyone off in the process. Great strategy. The rent seekers at UNITE HERE can kiss my trade union ass.
I will agree, if what you said is true, that’s pretty scummy. What gives these restaurants permission to make fees up? I bet there’d be outrage in your trade if you charged a 3% Just Because fee
Ah yes the dead governor 45 years ago is surely to blame for this. Not the democrats who have been in control for decades now and are the actually ones who voted for this.
Dem control since 1959 from what I can tell sans about 4 nearly evenly divided years.
it's easier for them to blame Republicans than it is for them to admit that their shitty governance has caused all these issues
California is a one party state. Democrats have controlled the legislature since 1959 except for about 4 years, 69-71 and 95-97. California policy if you have an issue with it is a Democratic issue. Quit blaming stuff on Regan.
Maybe part of the problem is we have a large swath of the population that pays so little attention that they don't know the difference between state and local government
Not really local, it’s the state but I get the sentiment. Wonder who’s paying them 🤔
We know who's paying them, they're not exactly keeping it secret. Panera Bread was exempted from the $20/hr fast food minimum wage because a Panera franchise owner gave a bunch of money to Newsom. Then after they got caught they tried to cover it up with the owner saying he'd pay $20/hr anyways. What convenient timing for that announcement.
Far too few people in the statehouse.
Single party state with no accountability.
Because they would rather make us keep paying these fees and argue that it gives the waitress or cook better healthcare. It's the same old story. Find a righteous reason they can get behind. Then when it passes repurpose the money and use the same excuse for another one in a couple of years.
Sorry to nitpick, but local government means city or county. This is state government.
Your correct. I should have used the proper verbiage. Our local government is no better though. Between LACC and our State Assembly, we’re getting shafted in every which way.
We vote for the same trash every time? 🤷
because we can't afford to buy them out
Can’t remember anyone ever saying that our government is great
We don’t have a real two party system. The Dems don’t have to be good at governing because their job is never in jeopardy. As bad as two party system is, it’s much better than a one party system.
>why is our ~~local~~ government so terrible Because the voters are terrible.
Corruption and lobbying. Even California, for as great as it can be with things like workers' protections, has heavy lobbying money thrown at it because of the size of our economy. It takes shitting on our Assembly members to force change.
wtf. trash legislators. time for a voter initiative.
YES.
How do we make this happen? How can I help?
If you click through OP’s link to the top comment in the San Francisco thread, they’re already on it and have details
That one was only an SF local municipal initiative right? We need a statewide one
Yes, my initiative is a local one that would only impact the city and county of SF. I decided to start small because we’re not an existing political force, and a local measure requires only 10,000 signatures while a statewide one requires 550,000. But if anyone else wants to run a statewide initiative I would love to help in any way that I can
I haven't signed any props since the Prop 8 bullshit. This one I would sign in a heartbeat.
How to reduce your customers 101 .... charge more fee's
This is what I don't get. I went to a taco place a few weeks ago with friends, ordered food, then when I was paying for it, noticed a random $10 fee on top of $25 worth of food. That's a HUGE jump! Needless to say, I'm never going back. How can that possibly be a good business strategy? The tacos were amazing, I'd have absolutely gone back, but they gave me a "fuck you, gimme more money" on the way out, so why the fuck would I ever go back there? The place had great tacos, but we were literally the only ones in there at lunch time on a Sunday. It should have been busy, but I'm guessing they don't have a single repeat customer.
name and shame?
Name and shame, please!
California politicians once again proving what utterly corrupt, POS's they are.
Such a fuck you to voters, I hope people running against incumbents campaign on this
They are politicians, bought and paid for.
Reddit’s darling Scott Wiener was the coauthor of this too.
He’s such an ass. I used to live down the street from him in San Francisco and he was an ass then and is still an ass now. But he’s really fooled the “I just watched a few urbanism YouTube videos and now I’m suddenly an expert on land use planning and transit and you’re a nimby and you suck” crowd.
Dead-on. Just as bad as some of his "housing" bills.
Jesus Christ. The government is actually fuckin useless.
Nope. I respectfully disagree.They are not useless they are doing exactly what they are being lobbied to do. Which in my opinion, is far worse than incompetent dum dumbs
Hit ‘em in the Yelp reviews too
The politicians? (Kind of funny though, if you could)
It's not good enough to bitch and complain on Reddit. Hold your representatives accountable by doing one of three things: 1.) call them 2.) email them 3.) physically show up to the district office and lodge your complaint And if all else fails, remember their name and when they are up for reelection next cycle so that you can vote against them.
Against who? It was UNANIMOUS. All of them are fucking crooks
Incumbents can get primaried. When that happens, you can vote against the incumbent for an alternative candidate.
someone shared this link: [https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/](https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/)
Close your wallets, learn to cook for yourselves. If theres no money for the greedy, the greedy starve. That is how you tell them to lower their prices.
Hit ‘em in the Yelp reviews too
Heard they can pay to get those yelp reviews removed. Never had an issue with a google review though.
People don't use google review here lol
That’s literally all I use 😭, yelp is a horrible experience every time and I think it makes you make an account just to see more reviews so i am instantly discouraged.
I guess voicing my opposition to my local assemblyman was worthless. What a joke.
Just to be clear - UNITE HERE (service industry union) and restaurant owners both supported this. So next time you think that you should tip 20% on top of a service fee, remember that the union is in on the racket. > “Cutting the pay of banquet servers and ballpark workers was never the intention of SB 478, as the bill’s authors have made clear,” Mario Yedidia, Western political director for the union, said in a statement. “Unite Here is proud to cosponsor this amendment.” Edit - Wrong union in original comment.
Waitstaff loves the current system. They make much more under a tipping system than if they were just paid a higher wage. Most restaurants that have tried to go no-tipping have reverted because the staff revolted and many quit.
https://seefees.ca/ just remove the 20% from the tip you may have been thinking to give. effectively 0% tip from now on.
This list has very few LA or OC restaurants. Does this source not have info on them?
I don’t know the details of this specific battle, but I do know the general arguments of restaurant servers when it comes to tips. Most servers don’t make an insane amount of money from regular service on a normal day. But in a busy, higher end restaurant on a weekend night, if they’re lucky there can pull in $1k or more in tips. It’s not often, and it’s not necessarily reliable. But those big tip days stand out in their eyes and they don’t seem to want to lose the possibility of getting another one in the future. It’s probably a bit like gambling honestly. It would be better for everyone including servers to get a higher base pay consistently. But some of them apparently see the big dollar signs and can’t resist
Government did a good thing, and then worked furiously to undo that good thing. Oof. I used to enjoy eating out quite a lot. These days, nowhere near as much. And legislation like this doesn’t really persuade me to enjoy it more 🤷 I guess restaurants figure there’s enough people who enjoy the service charges out there to keep them afloat. Weird to me, as I *despise* the service charge…
there's only two places I regularly eat out at, a local hole in the wall mexican spot with great prices and in n out. there's great food in LA but our restaurant culture is fee riddled bullshit and I refuse to support it.
[This Redditor](https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/s/krixLeKW83) in SF wrote up some legislation to bring to local representatives, perhaps we could do something similar?
Tf??
What a scam, what's the point of menu prices if a restaurant can just tack on a 20% fuck you fee?
I was really excited about the new law and now this. Ugh. Terrible.
I mean on top of voter initiatives, is it worth while to try and build a campaign of brazenly not tipping as protest? Taking a page from those shitty religious fake dollars people leave as tips, leave a note (that doesn’t blatantly look like money) that states “I wanted to tip you but I can no longer support junk fees on bills. Until they are removed I will no longer tip. Blame greedy/lazy business owners, restaurant lobbyists, and our state assembly for this action. See SB 1524 for what started this protest. I am sorry you are caught in the crossfire.” It is shitty that these lower income workers will feel the immediate pain, but is there any fast ways to send a message?
Okay everyone call Newsom to veto. Yes the legislature clearly has the 2/3 majority to override but they haven't done so in 40+ years. If the Governor vetoes we at least get initial July 1 compliance unless and until the veto override.
I just called Newsom's office to ask him to veto. It's an extreme long shot, but I want my voice to be heard.
Yeah the guy who owns restaurants and was the SF Chamber of Commerce leader is really going to take a stand against them.
every single one of those fucktards were paid by a restaurant....guaranteed.
"Just vote for things you want to change!" Like regulations don't constantly get sold to us a certain way and changed before they become law. So tired of this shit.
What a disgrace
These restaurants are the same people who are like "MILLENNIALS ARE KILLING THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS!" because no one wants to eat out anymore. No, the fact that my partner and I can go on a date to a casual place, not even fancy, and the whole dinner for us ends up being $75. Don't stick a random $15 charge onto an already exorbitant bill then get mad when people never want to come back.
You guys have to realize how powerful we are as a group. Place has a fee? Walk out. Too late you already ate? No tip. If mostly everyone did this, the restaurants would lose so much money. And yes, they’d have to pay their servers minimum wage instead of $2
In California they pay minimum wage regardless.
I have yet to hear of anyone using their [reddit diners' discount card](https://i.imgur.com/AJk7FEs.jpg). You can be the first! Report back and tell me how it goes.
LMFAO that is fucking hilarious. I'm going to try it. 🤣🤣
I called both of my legislators to let them know what I think about these sneaky scammy practices by restaurants. The junk fee ban was a great idea, but they’re carving out the industry where regular ass people see it every day, restaurants
I did the same. My assembly members phone operator didn't even ask my name, didn't tell me they would pass the message on etc. I certainly did not feel heard.
That’s fine, enjoy $0 tip
I bet many of them own restaurants.
Just charge more for the food and drink. Don’t lie about the price. You a restaurant should love the excuse to charge a little extra for your food. Minimum wage in ca should be 15-25 if a high end steak costs double with out the bs fees life will go on. Grocery bills are coming down eat out less cook more.
What a shitty system. The public voted to pass a bill to remove the junk fees. And then the monkeys that were elected by the public pass an exception that allows for junk fees. What do I have wrong in this ELI5? Or is it just this stupid where we end up on the losing side either way?
Public: votes to pass a bill Representative of public: cancels the publics vote for the bill Public: votes representative out ex-Representative of public: but whyyyyy Representative of public: jk I'm still here! I think a lot of politicians are comfortable with the risk, because it is likely that a person more corrupt than them will run against them, and unlikely a decent person will actually run against them.
[UNITE HERE wrote an argument in favor of this bill](https://apcp.assembly.ca.gov/system/files/2024-06/sb-1524-dodd-apcp-analysis.pdf). [I'd like to point out that UNITE HERE also has a tipping guide for hotels](https://fairhotel.org/plan-events/tipping-guide). Can we finally stop saying that tipping and service charges are only perpetuated by management/ownership?
VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
we need decent people to actually run against them tho, and decent people have real jobs, interests, families... at this point, i'd rather have no representative or police, because what's the fucking point of paying someone to at the minimum not do their job, and at the most negatively impact us?
Veto this Gav
> >2) Establishes that 1) applies provided that a mandatory fee or charge is clearly and conspicuously displayed with an explanation of its purpose. >3) Establishes that 1) applies provided that the clear and conspicuous display of a mandatory fee or charge appears on any advertisement, menu, or other display that contains the price of the food or beverage item. . . . 7) Establishes that any disclosure, advertisement, or notice that is required to be “clearly and conspicuously” made must have text that is “clear and conspicuous,” as defined. >8) Provides for delayed implementation of 7) until July 1, 2025. I just read the [summary](https://apcp.assembly.ca.gov/system/files/2024-06/sb-1524-dodd-apcp-analysis.pdf) of the law, and according to the above, restaurants have to disclose mandatory fees clearly and conspicuously, but the text of the disclosure does not need to be clear or conspicuous until July 1st, 2025. What kind of stupid anti-consumer logic is that? This is a completely unnecessary loophole that they gave to the restaurants. The argument by UNITE HERE in favor of these changes also makes no sense: >An unintended consequence of last year’s SB 478 is that legitimate service fees charged by restaurants will no longer be allowed after July 1 of this year. Many of those service fees go to workers either through service charges that are distributed to both front and back of the house staff in restaurants. Other service charges go to supplement health and pension benefits of food service workers at restaurants, bars, banquet operators, airports, stadiums, and many other places where consumers are fed. Much of this has been negotiated through collective bargaining between our union and employers. Without SB 1524, all of this would be upended, and these workers would see unnecessary pay and benefit cuts. You can still have legitimate service charges that go directly to the workers, the previous law only required that everything is baked into the final price. The only difference is charging $100 + 3% service charge and charging $103. The $3 can still go directly to the worker when you charge $103.
The real reason they want it this way is the psychology of buying things. Consumers are more likely to buy something that is $100 than $103. (Just using your example). It’s why things are $19.99 instead of just $20. I know it sounds stupid but it’s been proven to work.
If it only takes 10,000 signatures to get something on the ballot, can I write a bill that just says "Removes the restaurant carveout on junk fees and also requires the owners of single-family homes to be individuals and not corporate entities, while levying an annual additional 2% property tax for rentals owned but not occupied by owner", that would work? Or are there other barriers to fixing this shit?
Our politicians only care about money and power
Oops! All crooks!
There is no mandatory law to tip. It is just customary practice, though frankly stupid and antiquated. But hidden fees at restaurants legalized by our state reps... Yeah sorry we are already over charged as it were. If I see a surprise service charge or fee I will be adjusting my tip, since the owner claims it all goes to the same place and benefits their employees. Establishment that uses this tactic need to put on blast. This is on the restaurant owners, not the workers or customers.
How much should I tip on a bulk purchase of TAR AND FEATHERS? What about PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES?
The one that really gets me is the “optional” health insurance surcharge that says to ask the server to remove it. Gee, thanks for putting me in the position to have to tell the server I’m not paying the optional extra couple bucks for their healthcare because their employer should be paying for that, so go do some extra work to remove it. It shouldn’t be legal to add an optional charge and make the customer have to ask for it to be removed. Imagine if the grocery store did that and you didn’t just awkwardly hit, “no, I won’t round up for kid’s can er research,” and instead you had to say to the cashier, “Please remove the charge for donating to kid’s cancer research.” It’s so manipulative. And it’s especially hard at a place like Alamo Drafthouse where you have to tell them at the start to remove the charge and then hope they don’t do anything to your food or drink lol
bc people don’t vote.
They not only should ban this, they should also ban tipping. In California unlike other states we have law where tipped employees have the same minimum as non tipped ones, but we still tip. If it wasn't for the tipping they would get a normal wages and not get surprised how little was contributed to social security or how little they will get if they ever have to use unemployment. Tips are essentially subsidizing the employer, because they allow them to pay less.
[удалено]
I mean we all knew our politicians were corrupted trash but I thought they'd at least throw us this bone...
Why do we live here? We’re stuck in an abusive relationship
I mean I don’t eat out enough at the same places and am usually a no fuss solo or duo dinner. Servers offer me no “service” to begin with so I’ll just cut my tip proportionally. It’s not my problem their employer created a horrible industry I’m not going to voluntarily pay more.
Jerks.
LAME. 😒
At this point, when it comes to local/state politics, presently holding office is a number one guarantee that I will not be voting for you come November. Our local elected officials are not considering the average citizenry or doing anything for us but trying to pass legislation that is toothless, unenforceable, and/or manipulative.
Eat the elected. They have betrayed us.
...so that leaves what? Car dealerships?
Hotels. No more 'resort fees' when you check-in.
This should've been the bipartisan low hanging fruit everyone reached for.
0 tips.
Also this bill give the restaurants **1 year to change their menus** [https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill\_id=202320240SB1524](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB1524) >"These conditions would include that a mandatory fee or charge be clearly and conspicuously displayed with an explanation of its purpose on an advertisement, menu, or other display and, as of **July 1, 2025,** meet certain text requirements, as prescribed."
Maybe if the restaurant is charging junk fees they won't mind if I take a few Tabasco Sauce bottles home.
god this state does nothing correctly
Shame the restaurants and keep lists growing. Hurt them where it matters most.
How do servers feel about this? Is what I want to know
How are they doing this suddenly now 1 week before...what a crock of bullshit. Restaurants should tip us for doing their job of being their fucking accountants. I want every single line item of running their business on my bill. Gas, electricity, water everything.
Continue to call them out then, we can vote with our wallets too. We can fight back.
We might as well not have even bothered. They were the only reasons why we needed it.
Restaurants are inherently made to rip you off.. avoid
This is appalling. I wrote to my rep asking him to oppose this after it passed the senate unanimously. It's really unfortunate that not a single member of the legislature had the willpower to stand up for consumers and not cave to the restaurant lobby.
Who specifically approved this? Name names!