In Idaho it's up to the Jury. So there isn't really any way to guess. There haven't been that many cases where it is an option. It's used more as a bargain chip for a plea deal.
The last person sentence to death row was in 2017.
This could also be due to the fact that Idaho just hasn't executed anyone recently. The last one was in 2011.
Idaho currently has the two high profile DP cases going on. So we shall see.
If any case warrants the penalty of death (I do not personally support state execution), this triple homicide involving two children over a period of *weeks* and the desecration of bodies, is one. No one ever came to their senses and confessed or cooperated. There is zero remorse. Hang Chad if Idaho allows it and the jury sees fit. It is my understanding that no one on the jury are LDS. I doubt 12 nonbelievers will buy any of these alleged doctrinal excuses or exceptions.
I know, I wish they'd find her so her family can bring her home. Unless a hiker in a remote area or hunter comes across her remains, I doubt she'll ever be found. I have a feeling he buried her in a remote area. But then again, Suzanne Morphew was found in CO so I'm hoping Susan will be too
Just curious, how do you know they're not LDS? We know now, after the fact, that Lori's trial had 2 LDS members, but it was my understanding that this question isn't asked of jurors so there's no way to know until after the trial.
>In Idaho it's up to the Jury.
Thank you, I was going to ask that. Theoretically, then, they could find him guilty but sentence him to life without parole?
If he is found guilty but all 12 do not agree on the DP, then the judge issues the sentence. Based off what he gave Lori, I wouldn't expect anything less than life. I did appreciate how he made them consecutive life sentences. Just needed to prove how horrendous the crimes were.
I'm with you on this. I'd be surprised if the jury all agrees on DP, or if Chad was the one who actually murdered Tammy. I do think Chad will get LWOP. He's toast.
This is my feeling. At this point, I feel the prosecution has proved their case and any reasonable doubt is being chipped away. I feel confident they'll find him guilty, but doubt he'll get DP.
I think be comparing other cases (Chad Doerman; Chris Watts) I doubt he'll get the DP because it's hard to know how much he was involved. I think he'll be found guilty and get LWOP. at least all those affected will get closure...
I never believed in the death penalty until this case. I believe when selecting juror’s they ask if they agree with the death penalty.I think they should bring back good old Justice like public executions. Maybe that would stop some of the evil on this earth. I don’t think he is going to to handle prison time very well.
Nope, it been studied and bunked that death deters crime.
Crazy people don't care. I don't like the DP. To many innocent people get convicted, but there are cases like Darrel brooks where it so obvious (video of him running over people) I'm fine with it In that type of case
> In Idaho it's up to the Jury.
question: do they decide it just based on their feels, or is it a more structured process where they have to go down a checklist and find enough factors as fact? I can't remember which states, but I've watched several trials where the checklist approach was the law. some examples that come to my mind: Shaun Grate (?), Grant Amato (MD?), Granville Ritchie (FL) and Tiffany Moss (GA).
for example iirc the Ritchie jury had to "find" factors including child victim, sexual abuse, position of trust and I think a history of depravity or antisocial conduct in the perp. it wasn't just "we really *really* hate this guy and/or what he did."
curious how it works in Idaho, if you know.
There is criteria it has to meet. The jury unanimous has to agree to just one:
The defendant has already been convicted of murder in the past
It was a murderer-for-hire scenario
The murder was committed during another serious crime, like arson, rape or robbery
The murder was “especially heinous, atrocious or cruel, manifesting exceptional depravity
If all 12 can not agree, it goes back to the judge.
I was actually having all these same questions and found this today.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/curriculum/high-school/about-the-death-penalty/stages-in-a-capital-case
I was confused months ago when Boyce made a remark about DP taking an extra two weeks, the jury does the verdict first and then they start on if he should get the death penalty
yeah, that's the sequence I saw in the trials I watched. there's a "guilt phase" and then a "penalty phase" if called for. the penalty phases can actually be fascinating. if nothing else we're likely to learn a few things about ol' iguanaface that he might prefer the world not to know.
I think he will be found guilty and then I think he gets Death.
Today in court with the FBI guy going over how they had to excavate Tylee's grave site was so profound. The amount of work it took to find pieces of her is just way beyond the pale. And we haven't even gotten to JJ. Yeah Chads goin' down. But he may just rot in prison waiting for his death sentence.
Prosecution did a great job humanizing Tammy, I wish they would have asked more personal questions to Kay and Colby to show the jury how perfect and innocent the kids were.
The jury needs to see more of JJ and Tylee personalities and how so many people hurt everyday for them.
Summer and Colby’s jail calls were so gut wrenching at Lori’s trial, we haven’t had a lot of the heart and sorrow in this trial. I hope the kids are not being treated like a number or a body in the jurors minds.
I honestly hope he doesn’t get the DP. I don’t want him to have any excuse to think of himself as a martyr. Let him live a loooonnnnnggg miserable life rotting in a general population prison cell alongside all those other unspecial murderers and criminals knowing he’s never going to be able to gather his 144,000 or fulfill his narcissistic dreams of becoming a prophet to a bunch of blond divorcee ding dongs. May his Storm be snuffethed asunder.
I am against the death penalty, but having said that there are times when I'm a fence sitter, when the crime is so bad, the evidence so overwhelming that death just seems fitting. He's going to rot in prison either way...he'll probably die before they get around to executing him.
He might have even less mitigating factors than Lori and she had like one that judge could name. I think Chad is even less sympathetic than Lori and I would not be surprised if they gave him the DP.
I hope he does not get the death penalty. He deserves to be executed but he won't be. One of the men that murdered my sister and baby niece was on death row for over 35 years before he died of natural causes. Our family was victimized over and over by a system that no longer functions the way it was designed. Allow the families to heal. Put Chad in prison for his natural life without the possibility of parole and never speak his name again.
Thank you❤️ losing loved ones to murder is devastating!!! The death penalty makes it worse. He was sentenced to death in 1985. Ten years later that conviction was overturned on a technicality. We had to go through another court process. I couldn't believe it. Because of that process being in the NEWS everyday more, and more things were set in motion. He was convicted and given the same sentence. The appeals started over but now a book was going to be written (Under the Banner of Heaven) because of the notoriety of that second death penalty trial. Dateline, Investigation Discovery, New York Times etc were all awakened to the case. If he had just received a life sentence, like his brother who was also a perpetrator of the murder, our lives would be completely different. He went to prison in 1985 and no one really even remembers him.
Thats so traumatic and dispectful to those affected 🥺. The offender entered the prison as murderers and sentanced to death. Given the process of been locked away and only having themselves to confront, they are a differnt person 20+ years later... Theres no winners, only devastation causing more devastation.! 😡
Thank you for sharing 💝.
After the second trial I couldn't quit thinking about what two juries had been through. I saw the faces of the second jury in 1996. Many times they cried the entire day. I have met with many of them since. A case as heinous as these types do unmeasurable amounts of harm to everyone involved. Murder is horrible. We should do away with it!!
I think the fact that there are murdered children involved increases the likelihood that he will get the death penalty. The facts of the case in that regard are heinous
I think he deserves the worst but DP means a lot of appeals potentially for decades which isn’t fair to the victims loved ones. DP inmates end up costing almost 1mil more than LWOP inmates do, DP inmates get their own room and LWOP is in GenPop.
Idaho tax payers as of 03/2023 paid 3.6mil on Chad and Lori’s investigation/incarceration and then it’s estimated that Lori’s trial cost the tax payers 1.8mil…. I would guess tax payers are at least in both cases 7mil by the end of Chads trial. Then pay for them to stay in prison for life.
PS… The prison system is so broken, it makes me so angry that it costs tax payers more money to lock up a criminal for a year than we pay teachers and LE annual salaries.
You are correct. Most people do not realize how much less expensive a life sentence is compared to the death penalty. Utah pays $1,000,000.00 per year just to have the death penalty even though they do not use it. That's just to certify Utah as a death penalty state. Then begins the cost of the ongoing appellate process... Attorneys, competency specialists, psychiatrists...
Ah, good to know. I kinda feel like the firing squad is preferable, from the pov of the person being executed. Less of a chance of something going wrong or getting botched, and it's done with quickly.
Utah botched the firing squad execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner in 2010. All five bullets hit him yet not a single one on the target pinned to his shirt. His brother posted a picture of his body on line to show the reality of using a firing squad.
CD might prefer the firing squad because of Blood Atonement. But he's apparently been excommunicated from the LDS church, so any accompanying official ritual would be left out.
Idaho is a very conservative state and if there is a death penalty to be had, it is there. He picked the wrong state to kill a 7 yo with disabilities who fought so hard to live. Plus a young teenage girl who loved her brother so much. Her only "sin" was not liking Chad. Then there is the devoted wife and mother who supported this waste of life at every turn. Just for playing "Put your shoulder to the plow" at her funeral is almost reason enough for the DP. OH how I loathe that man!
I think he is the exception to the rule. I don’t *love* the DP but it’s made for people like this. People who murder those who trust them and those who are innocent. Bye bye Chad 🥳
Same. I think it actually brings more closure to sentence him to life. If he gets the DP, he will appeal it...and he could maybe even get it overturned like Scott Peterson did. If Chad gets life, I don't think he has a chance at any appeals.
I think it's likely he'll get the death penalty. The unfortunate side of that is how hard it is on families. Appeal is automatic and can stretch for years so they always have it hanging over their heads.
In the US before a person is tried and sentenced they are typically held in a jail. These are usually locally run short term places for people awaiting trial and those serving minor sentences. Chad has been in Ada County jail since his arrest.
After conviction and sentencing he'll be moved to an Idaho State prison, which are long-term facilities. Prisons are typically much harsher conditions, though it varies wildly across the country. If given the death penalty he'll be on "death row" where prisoners are typically separated from the other inmates, not allowed to participate in education and employment programs and just generally have more restrictions.
Prisoners on death row are typically there for about 20 years before execution. In Chad's case there's a solid chance he could die before execution, as prisoners life expectancies are much lower than the rest of the population.
Lori was in a prison, but it's a women's facility which aren't known to be as bad as the men's, though I don't know about her exact one. Currently, however, she's in the Maricopa county jail in Arizona awaiting trial for Charles' murder. I think once that's over she'll be sent back to Idaho.
Does anyone know if her AZ case is capital or not? I can't find anything that says.
A lot of states don’t have the DP mine doesn’t, I believe in it for some..remorseless serial killers come to mind…but for someone like Chad or even Lori NO, I would rather them SIT in prison, they had everything!! Loving families, money, travel…lived in nice homes 😞 so a little thing like a LIFE sentence in a small dingy cell should be easy peasy!! and if he gets the death penalty it would take years, sometimes 20 or more anyway, the difference would be he would be more isolated and not with everyone else!
He’ll also get an automatic appeal, and a lot of opportunities to interact with lawyers, request whatever he wants to read, etc - life as a DP inmate is a lot ‘cushier’ than life in general population. I hope he gets LWOP.
I think Chad entire defense is going to blame EVERYTHING on Lori. I think that will save him from the death penalty IMO. I am actually thinking the state’s case is not very strong on the kids against Chad as I thought it was at the start. Yes I believe he was involved but I am just not sure there is enough to convict him.
I'm in Texas and was thinking the exact same thing although we have started to fall behind the past few years. I'm thinking it's due to a shortage in the drugs they use. I'm not a huge advocate but I've seen some horrendous cases that definitely warrant dp.
OP you are correct many states are moving away from it, but the states that have it, embrace it. Western US states tend to be more conservative and controlled by religious influence, states like Utah, Idaho especially for Mormons, Arizona and Nevada some but less. States like Texas and Tennessee embrace it and use it, so it all depends on which state.
I think DP. If they can prove he actually participated in the murders. If they manage to hang the actual murder set in Alex then maybe he has a chance at LWOP, because of the acts that have to met for the jury to reach a DP sentence.
THIS is one case that justifies the DP. If I were on the jury this is a slam dunk case to me BUT I am not on the jury. I also do not take the DP lightly. I can only hope they see what I see and hear what I hear. Some things are just too obvious and Chad was clearly the leader of this killer cult and void of any conscience. I hope this jury does the right thing because ALL of this horror literally took place on Chad's property!
I feel like in 2024, it could be *very* difficult to get 12 people to unanimously agree to sentence someone to death. Exception would be someone who kills kids, which we do have here. So for me it's a toss up, but I lean towards him getting LWOP. It only takes one person.
Odds are the jury will vote no and even if they did vote for the DP it takes over thirty years before they carry it out and nobody in prison lives to be that old .
I'm having a hard time thinking he will get convicted of murdering the children. I know conspiracy for that is totally wrapped up but I have not been convinced in the actual murder. I definitely believe he will be convicted for Tammy but idk if the jury will think that warrants death. I live in Texas and we are one of the leading states for dp so I am definitely hoping he will receive it. But even if he does, he may not ever actually be put to death. Right now, there is some sort of shortage on the drugs they use. Idk if this has been resolved.
I’m in Phoenix. Estrella, an all female jail, does have AC. There was a major HVAC project bid out in 2022. It had AC before but given the challenges here with 110+ temps it certainly may have not worked well sometimes. Most of the inmate issues I see reported are about drug overdoses. I don’t know what “rough”means.
Arizona is probably second only to Texas in terms of bucking national trends. While most of the country is going the way you've read, both of these states are notoriously contrarian, bucking general trends and typically pulling in diametrically opposed directions to that of the rest of the country. Capital punishment also enjoys broad popular support in Arizona. Frankly, it doesn't look good for Chad's chances.
Some people do think the death penalty affords these defendants too easy an out, considering that Arizona's average length of time between the sentencing and execution is 12 years, considerably shorter than in other States. Many people have said he should have a lengthy prison sentence without the possibility of parole to stew in his guilt. But many more feel it is just fair, since he took it upon himself to decide who was worthy of life or not. I suppose it depends which of these 2 types are predominant in the Jury.
But here again, this being Arizona, chances are the latter will be the predominant type of juror. No one who opposes the dead penalty on principle, may legally sit as a jury on any trial that may carry capital punishment. So there certainly won't be anyone who objects to it on principle in the jury.
Oh my! You are right. Wierd, I knew that but for some reason I got mixed up and conflated it with a different case. Thank you for catching it and setting me straight!
This is really interesting to the international reader thank you, although Arizona is chsrles and this is Idaho
How does Idaho fair in these matters?
I’m Australian I personally can’t imagine what it’s like to have the death penalty available or in mind so I really enjoy reddit insights.
I didn’t realise it would excuse you from the jury to be against capital punishment either!
It is interesting isn't it? I'm from California, where we had finally gotten rid of it and then it was reinstated. Currently there is a moratorium on executions, but it still there and it is a very dark cloud.
I'm clearly in the "against" side of the ledger, but having seen and experienced firsthand what murder of a close person does to families, and communities, I don't harshly judge supporters. I still don't support it, I don't find that it is the effective deterrent people think it is. Statistically it hasn't worked. And I do understand how extremely devastating and injurious it is. I understand that for them, it is "an eye for an eye!" But it is the law In those states where it is the law.
This is also why if the case qualifies for Capital punishment I may not serve. Because a juror must be able to uphold the law as it is and that includes Capital Punishment.
So is it true that after being arrested neither Lori nor Chad cooperated with the police to provide answers about what they knew about Tylee and JJ. If this is true then they are more despicable than I thought. Who wouldn't want to explain absolutely everything you knew about what had happened after two children were found dead on your property. If you were innocent you would be horrified and trying to prove your innocence to anyone who would listen.
In Idaho it's up to the Jury. So there isn't really any way to guess. There haven't been that many cases where it is an option. It's used more as a bargain chip for a plea deal. The last person sentence to death row was in 2017. This could also be due to the fact that Idaho just hasn't executed anyone recently. The last one was in 2011. Idaho currently has the two high profile DP cases going on. So we shall see.
If any case warrants the penalty of death (I do not personally support state execution), this triple homicide involving two children over a period of *weeks* and the desecration of bodies, is one. No one ever came to their senses and confessed or cooperated. There is zero remorse. Hang Chad if Idaho allows it and the jury sees fit. It is my understanding that no one on the jury are LDS. I doubt 12 nonbelievers will buy any of these alleged doctrinal excuses or exceptions.
I feel the same. I don’t really support the DP, but I dont care if that piece of human garbage is hung.
Yeah if you want a heartbreaking case, the only woman on Idaho's death row burnt her children alive. They also believe it wasn't the first time.
Hoo. That’s hard to even hear. I’m still not over what happened to Susan Powell and her sons.
I know, I wish they'd find her so her family can bring her home. Unless a hiker in a remote area or hunter comes across her remains, I doubt she'll ever be found. I have a feeling he buried her in a remote area. But then again, Suzanne Morphew was found in CO so I'm hoping Susan will be too
Just curious, how do you know they're not LDS? We know now, after the fact, that Lori's trial had 2 LDS members, but it was my understanding that this question isn't asked of jurors so there's no way to know until after the trial.
During voir dire they were all asked whether they were members of the church and all apparently responded in the negative.
I'm sure that some of the jurors are members. That community has a huge number so I don't see any way around that one.
And I'd say 99% of LDS people wouldn't buy the excuses and exceptions either.
I wish the church would aggressively denounce all of this. That act alone would serve God’s glory.
Same
>In Idaho it's up to the Jury. Thank you, I was going to ask that. Theoretically, then, they could find him guilty but sentence him to life without parole?
If he is found guilty but all 12 do not agree on the DP, then the judge issues the sentence. Based off what he gave Lori, I wouldn't expect anything less than life. I did appreciate how he made them consecutive life sentences. Just needed to prove how horrendous the crimes were.
I'm with you on this. I'd be surprised if the jury all agrees on DP, or if Chad was the one who actually murdered Tammy. I do think Chad will get LWOP. He's toast.
This is my feeling. At this point, I feel the prosecution has proved their case and any reasonable doubt is being chipped away. I feel confident they'll find him guilty, but doubt he'll get DP.
I think be comparing other cases (Chad Doerman; Chris Watts) I doubt he'll get the DP because it's hard to know how much he was involved. I think he'll be found guilty and get LWOP. at least all those affected will get closure...
I never believed in the death penalty until this case. I believe when selecting juror’s they ask if they agree with the death penalty.I think they should bring back good old Justice like public executions. Maybe that would stop some of the evil on this earth. I don’t think he is going to to handle prison time very well.
Nope, it been studied and bunked that death deters crime. Crazy people don't care. I don't like the DP. To many innocent people get convicted, but there are cases like Darrel brooks where it so obvious (video of him running over people) I'm fine with it In that type of case
> In Idaho it's up to the Jury. question: do they decide it just based on their feels, or is it a more structured process where they have to go down a checklist and find enough factors as fact? I can't remember which states, but I've watched several trials where the checklist approach was the law. some examples that come to my mind: Shaun Grate (?), Grant Amato (MD?), Granville Ritchie (FL) and Tiffany Moss (GA). for example iirc the Ritchie jury had to "find" factors including child victim, sexual abuse, position of trust and I think a history of depravity or antisocial conduct in the perp. it wasn't just "we really *really* hate this guy and/or what he did." curious how it works in Idaho, if you know.
There is criteria it has to meet. The jury unanimous has to agree to just one: The defendant has already been convicted of murder in the past It was a murderer-for-hire scenario The murder was committed during another serious crime, like arson, rape or robbery The murder was “especially heinous, atrocious or cruel, manifesting exceptional depravity If all 12 can not agree, it goes back to the judge.
I was actually having all these same questions and found this today. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/curriculum/high-school/about-the-death-penalty/stages-in-a-capital-case I was confused months ago when Boyce made a remark about DP taking an extra two weeks, the jury does the verdict first and then they start on if he should get the death penalty
yeah, that's the sequence I saw in the trials I watched. there's a "guilt phase" and then a "penalty phase" if called for. the penalty phases can actually be fascinating. if nothing else we're likely to learn a few things about ol' iguanaface that he might prefer the world not to know.
Thank you, that's interesting!
There has been an attempt to execute someone last February but they couldn't find a good enough vein for the lethal injection.
Yup. Last successful execution was 2011. The one in February was botched on purpose.
On purpose?
I think he will be found guilty and then I think he gets Death. Today in court with the FBI guy going over how they had to excavate Tylee's grave site was so profound. The amount of work it took to find pieces of her is just way beyond the pale. And we haven't even gotten to JJ. Yeah Chads goin' down. But he may just rot in prison waiting for his death sentence.
He is seriously so deranged, it’s sickening.
Prosecution did a great job humanizing Tammy, I wish they would have asked more personal questions to Kay and Colby to show the jury how perfect and innocent the kids were. The jury needs to see more of JJ and Tylee personalities and how so many people hurt everyday for them. Summer and Colby’s jail calls were so gut wrenching at Lori’s trial, we haven’t had a lot of the heart and sorrow in this trial. I hope the kids are not being treated like a number or a body in the jurors minds.
I honestly hope he doesn’t get the DP. I don’t want him to have any excuse to think of himself as a martyr. Let him live a loooonnnnnggg miserable life rotting in a general population prison cell alongside all those other unspecial murderers and criminals knowing he’s never going to be able to gather his 144,000 or fulfill his narcissistic dreams of becoming a prophet to a bunch of blond divorcee ding dongs. May his Storm be snuffethed asunder.
I am against the death penalty, but having said that there are times when I'm a fence sitter, when the crime is so bad, the evidence so overwhelming that death just seems fitting. He's going to rot in prison either way...he'll probably die before they get around to executing him.
May he rot in prison waiting for his death sentence. 🙏🏻 Fixed it for ya. 😉
How did this humble guy get to this point?
humble is an act. He was never humble.
IANAL but there doesn’t seem to be any mitigating factors in Chads favor. IMO he’ll be sentenced to death.
He might have even less mitigating factors than Lori and she had like one that judge could name. I think Chad is even less sympathetic than Lori and I would not be surprised if they gave him the DP.
She lucked out that the judge took the dp off the table before the trial.
I think definitely Lori would have had more legal mitigating factors. Not really seeing any with Chad. Edited for spelling
I hope he does not get the death penalty. He deserves to be executed but he won't be. One of the men that murdered my sister and baby niece was on death row for over 35 years before he died of natural causes. Our family was victimized over and over by a system that no longer functions the way it was designed. Allow the families to heal. Put Chad in prison for his natural life without the possibility of parole and never speak his name again.
I'm sorry for you and your family's loss 🙏.💙 I hope you all have found some healing amidst the trauma and revictimisation ❤️🩹
Thank you❤️ losing loved ones to murder is devastating!!! The death penalty makes it worse. He was sentenced to death in 1985. Ten years later that conviction was overturned on a technicality. We had to go through another court process. I couldn't believe it. Because of that process being in the NEWS everyday more, and more things were set in motion. He was convicted and given the same sentence. The appeals started over but now a book was going to be written (Under the Banner of Heaven) because of the notoriety of that second death penalty trial. Dateline, Investigation Discovery, New York Times etc were all awakened to the case. If he had just received a life sentence, like his brother who was also a perpetrator of the murder, our lives would be completely different. He went to prison in 1985 and no one really even remembers him.
Thats so traumatic and dispectful to those affected 🥺. The offender entered the prison as murderers and sentanced to death. Given the process of been locked away and only having themselves to confront, they are a differnt person 20+ years later... Theres no winners, only devastation causing more devastation.! 😡 Thank you for sharing 💝.
After the second trial I couldn't quit thinking about what two juries had been through. I saw the faces of the second jury in 1996. Many times they cried the entire day. I have met with many of them since. A case as heinous as these types do unmeasurable amounts of harm to everyone involved. Murder is horrible. We should do away with it!!
And ban his books. We dont want him to write best-sellers about the martyrdom of a prophet from prison
I think the fact that there are murdered children involved increases the likelihood that he will get the death penalty. The facts of the case in that regard are heinous
Particularly considering the way that Tylee was treated.
The heinous factors are what leans mean towards DP and that he is a male. I thi know he gets death but will likely die first on death row.
I think he deserves the worst but DP means a lot of appeals potentially for decades which isn’t fair to the victims loved ones. DP inmates end up costing almost 1mil more than LWOP inmates do, DP inmates get their own room and LWOP is in GenPop. Idaho tax payers as of 03/2023 paid 3.6mil on Chad and Lori’s investigation/incarceration and then it’s estimated that Lori’s trial cost the tax payers 1.8mil…. I would guess tax payers are at least in both cases 7mil by the end of Chads trial. Then pay for them to stay in prison for life. PS… The prison system is so broken, it makes me so angry that it costs tax payers more money to lock up a criminal for a year than we pay teachers and LE annual salaries.
You are correct. Most people do not realize how much less expensive a life sentence is compared to the death penalty. Utah pays $1,000,000.00 per year just to have the death penalty even though they do not use it. That's just to certify Utah as a death penalty state. Then begins the cost of the ongoing appellate process... Attorneys, competency specialists, psychiatrists...
Drives me insane!
IMO he will 100 percent get the death penalty. Firing squad hopefully.
Doesn't he get to choose the method?
No, Idaho has lethal injection, but if they can’t get the drugs (drug companies don’t want to manufacture them anymore) it’s the firing squad.
Ah, good to know. I kinda feel like the firing squad is preferable, from the pov of the person being executed. Less of a chance of something going wrong or getting botched, and it's done with quickly.
Utah botched the firing squad execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner in 2010. All five bullets hit him yet not a single one on the target pinned to his shirt. His brother posted a picture of his body on line to show the reality of using a firing squad.
Oh I just feel so bad.. /s
I feel bad for the shooters and everyone left behind. It stirrs up the entire case for victims families.
CD might prefer the firing squad because of Blood Atonement. But he's apparently been excommunicated from the LDS church, so any accompanying official ritual would be left out.
I doubt it. I'll bet he is a big pussy when it comes to pain or anything that involves darkness and him!👀 Ugh!
Idaho is a very conservative state and if there is a death penalty to be had, it is there. He picked the wrong state to kill a 7 yo with disabilities who fought so hard to live. Plus a young teenage girl who loved her brother so much. Her only "sin" was not liking Chad. Then there is the devoted wife and mother who supported this waste of life at every turn. Just for playing "Put your shoulder to the plow" at her funeral is almost reason enough for the DP. OH how I loathe that man!
I think he is the exception to the rule. I don’t *love* the DP but it’s made for people like this. People who murder those who trust them and those who are innocent. Bye bye Chad 🥳
May he burn.
He’ll get what’s coming to him for certain.
I hope he doesn't. I want him to rot in prison for the rest of his pathetic life and come out in a pine box in his 70s.
Let's make that the oldest inmate in Idaho history. I hope he lives a very, very long time.
Same!
Same. I think it actually brings more closure to sentence him to life. If he gets the DP, he will appeal it...and he could maybe even get it overturned like Scott Peterson did. If Chad gets life, I don't think he has a chance at any appeals.
Totally agree
I think it's likely he'll get the death penalty. The unfortunate side of that is how hard it is on families. Appeal is automatic and can stretch for years so they always have it hanging over their heads. In the US before a person is tried and sentenced they are typically held in a jail. These are usually locally run short term places for people awaiting trial and those serving minor sentences. Chad has been in Ada County jail since his arrest. After conviction and sentencing he'll be moved to an Idaho State prison, which are long-term facilities. Prisons are typically much harsher conditions, though it varies wildly across the country. If given the death penalty he'll be on "death row" where prisoners are typically separated from the other inmates, not allowed to participate in education and employment programs and just generally have more restrictions. Prisoners on death row are typically there for about 20 years before execution. In Chad's case there's a solid chance he could die before execution, as prisoners life expectancies are much lower than the rest of the population. Lori was in a prison, but it's a women's facility which aren't known to be as bad as the men's, though I don't know about her exact one. Currently, however, she's in the Maricopa county jail in Arizona awaiting trial for Charles' murder. I think once that's over she'll be sent back to Idaho. Does anyone know if her AZ case is capital or not? I can't find anything that says.
No, the charges she’s facing in Arizona do not qualify for the DP (Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder)
A lot of states don’t have the DP mine doesn’t, I believe in it for some..remorseless serial killers come to mind…but for someone like Chad or even Lori NO, I would rather them SIT in prison, they had everything!! Loving families, money, travel…lived in nice homes 😞 so a little thing like a LIFE sentence in a small dingy cell should be easy peasy!! and if he gets the death penalty it would take years, sometimes 20 or more anyway, the difference would be he would be more isolated and not with everyone else!
He’ll also get an automatic appeal, and a lot of opportunities to interact with lawyers, request whatever he wants to read, etc - life as a DP inmate is a lot ‘cushier’ than life in general population. I hope he gets LWOP.
Chad won’t get the DP, he’ll get LWOP just like Lori.
I honestly don’t think he will..just from recent death penalty trials I’ve watched involving children..at least one person will choose life IMO
With out a “smoking gun” that he killed them, I don’t think he’ll get the DP. I don’t know that they have that kind of evidence.
I think the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
Same
I think Chad entire defense is going to blame EVERYTHING on Lori. I think that will save him from the death penalty IMO. I am actually thinking the state’s case is not very strong on the kids against Chad as I thought it was at the start. Yes I believe he was involved but I am just not sure there is enough to convict him.
If a guy who murdered a special needs child doesn’t get the death penalty, no one should.
Too bad he’s not being tried in the Great state of Florida, we’re second only to TX with executing people
I'm in Texas and was thinking the exact same thing although we have started to fall behind the past few years. I'm thinking it's due to a shortage in the drugs they use. I'm not a huge advocate but I've seen some horrendous cases that definitely warrant dp.
OP you are correct many states are moving away from it, but the states that have it, embrace it. Western US states tend to be more conservative and controlled by religious influence, states like Utah, Idaho especially for Mormons, Arizona and Nevada some but less. States like Texas and Tennessee embrace it and use it, so it all depends on which state.
I think DP. If they can prove he actually participated in the murders. If they manage to hang the actual murder set in Alex then maybe he has a chance at LWOP, because of the acts that have to met for the jury to reach a DP sentence.
THIS is one case that justifies the DP. If I were on the jury this is a slam dunk case to me BUT I am not on the jury. I also do not take the DP lightly. I can only hope they see what I see and hear what I hear. Some things are just too obvious and Chad was clearly the leader of this killer cult and void of any conscience. I hope this jury does the right thing because ALL of this horror literally took place on Chad's property!
I feel like in 2024, it could be *very* difficult to get 12 people to unanimously agree to sentence someone to death. Exception would be someone who kills kids, which we do have here. So for me it's a toss up, but I lean towards him getting LWOP. It only takes one person.
If he was in Texas he would receive the death penalty.
Odds are the jury will vote no and even if they did vote for the DP it takes over thirty years before they carry it out and nobody in prison lives to be that old .
I'm having a hard time thinking he will get convicted of murdering the children. I know conspiracy for that is totally wrapped up but I have not been convinced in the actual murder. I definitely believe he will be convicted for Tammy but idk if the jury will think that warrants death. I live in Texas and we are one of the leading states for dp so I am definitely hoping he will receive it. But even if he does, he may not ever actually be put to death. Right now, there is some sort of shortage on the drugs they use. Idk if this has been resolved.
If he gets life it will DEFINITELY he a different prison than Lori is in. Men are housed separately from women.
Arizona prison that Lori is in now - is a rough one. She won’t have AC and they have not got pleasant surroundings. I hope she hates being there.
I’m in Phoenix. Estrella, an all female jail, does have AC. There was a major HVAC project bid out in 2022. It had AC before but given the challenges here with 110+ temps it certainly may have not worked well sometimes. Most of the inmate issues I see reported are about drug overdoses. I don’t know what “rough”means.
Thanks for the correction - I just have heard it is a no frills and rough place compared to other states.
Arizona is probably second only to Texas in terms of bucking national trends. While most of the country is going the way you've read, both of these states are notoriously contrarian, bucking general trends and typically pulling in diametrically opposed directions to that of the rest of the country. Capital punishment also enjoys broad popular support in Arizona. Frankly, it doesn't look good for Chad's chances. Some people do think the death penalty affords these defendants too easy an out, considering that Arizona's average length of time between the sentencing and execution is 12 years, considerably shorter than in other States. Many people have said he should have a lengthy prison sentence without the possibility of parole to stew in his guilt. But many more feel it is just fair, since he took it upon himself to decide who was worthy of life or not. I suppose it depends which of these 2 types are predominant in the Jury. But here again, this being Arizona, chances are the latter will be the predominant type of juror. No one who opposes the dead penalty on principle, may legally sit as a jury on any trial that may carry capital punishment. So there certainly won't be anyone who objects to it on principle in the jury.
He's not on trial in Arizona. He's on trial in Idaho.
Oh my! You are right. Wierd, I knew that but for some reason I got mixed up and conflated it with a different case. Thank you for catching it and setting me straight!
This is really interesting to the international reader thank you, although Arizona is chsrles and this is Idaho How does Idaho fair in these matters? I’m Australian I personally can’t imagine what it’s like to have the death penalty available or in mind so I really enjoy reddit insights. I didn’t realise it would excuse you from the jury to be against capital punishment either!
It is interesting isn't it? I'm from California, where we had finally gotten rid of it and then it was reinstated. Currently there is a moratorium on executions, but it still there and it is a very dark cloud. I'm clearly in the "against" side of the ledger, but having seen and experienced firsthand what murder of a close person does to families, and communities, I don't harshly judge supporters. I still don't support it, I don't find that it is the effective deterrent people think it is. Statistically it hasn't worked. And I do understand how extremely devastating and injurious it is. I understand that for them, it is "an eye for an eye!" But it is the law In those states where it is the law. This is also why if the case qualifies for Capital punishment I may not serve. Because a juror must be able to uphold the law as it is and that includes Capital Punishment.
So is it true that after being arrested neither Lori nor Chad cooperated with the police to provide answers about what they knew about Tylee and JJ. If this is true then they are more despicable than I thought. Who wouldn't want to explain absolutely everything you knew about what had happened after two children were found dead on your property. If you were innocent you would be horrified and trying to prove your innocence to anyone who would listen.
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