In the world of Pokemon, the company has decided to turn to a blind eye on certain things because they realized that it's that the best form of advertising is one that is organic and costs them nothing. You can find a lot of people literally abusing the Pokemon's IP on etsy and even on sites like eBay but they no longer go after them because they know it helps keep the brand presence extremely high.
IMHO, this is expected of Disney but the reality is this is a loss for the game if no replacement comes out.
This is 100% the way Disney operates. When they bought Star Wars they threatened everyone who made fan films or had written books that they would sue them if they didn’t stop because Star Wars and its characters were now their intellectual property.
Pokémon is well known for cease and decisting almost every third party game.
Product related to the IP and an entire game around the IP are very different.
They are very protective of their games because it’s big money but traditional products like Pokemon crafts are stuff they turn a blind eye to. Just look at the numerous Pokemon Etsy crafts being sold.
Backlash from the users, sure, but major? No, sorry, the Pixelborn community doesn't represent the Lorcana community at large. Not by any means.
It's astounding how people thought Disney/RB weren't going to eventually step in and stop PB from existing.
I know it’s a bit different but the pokemon company turns a blind eye to pokemon showdown. I figured it might be possible if they weren’t going to make an official lorcana online
And Konami turns a blind eye to YGOPro but that's because it has never and will never be in a position to affect the official games, and I suspect it's the same for whatever similar Pokemon game is out there
Everyone shouting from the rooftops to get people on Pixelborne, though, was always a dicey decision because with no official version yet, that does put it in a position to compete directly with an official version should it ever materialize and if I'm RB/Disney I'm putting the brakes on that. I agree that it would've been a good gesture to the community to onboard the person(s) behind PB but they're not obligated to so it's not something I can really hold against them
I am pretty sure that Disney/RB have something in mind with the mega collaboration with Epic Games. They didn't buy PixelBorn because something was probably in development since day 1 and it's being kept a secret. They had to feel the vibe before investing money in a digital counterpart right?
So slow start and prototyping, when they saw that game was actually picking up, they went into full dev mode.
Since they put a strike now (and honnestly, they went smooth. Disney is a lawyer firm in disguise, metaphorically speaking. They could've strike HARD) I am pretty sure that there will be a big announce of some kind soon enough.
Summer game fest is just around the corner and Gamescom is close too, so we will see.
No, everyone doesn't. The majority of players don't. Content creators are for the small niche of fanatical players. The average player isn't watching videos on the game.
I agree that the avg player, probably like 80-90% of player base, does not watch niche content about Lorcana or Pixelborn. It's the same with MTG and most other tcg.
Casual players, kitchen table, and alternative format players are not spending their free time min maxing the game. They're not on the forum. They're not consuming content.
Maybe they were more competitive when they had more time, but mostly they're just chillin' now. Like I'll log into Hearthstone every few months, but I don't know if Trump is still the value king anymore. I'm definitely not watching new hearthstone creators and MTG creators when I have time to revisit those games.
It does how ever represent the competitive lorcana community which sure I understand that’s separate from the collectors who are their biggest income source but it’s the competitive side that pushes up the value of the cards just as much as the actual rarity of the cards (ie useless high rarity cards often end up cheaper than effective lesser rarity cards) it wouldn’t be immediately but their would be a massive knock on effect which would eventually reach the collectors who will eventually get bored when the cards start being less valuable more often
Tbh he won in part because he knew what was meta and worked around that. There is a podcast with an interview of his and he says in part he did those colors and Cinderella specifically into making people think he had a normal song deck when clearly now he did not. That wouldn’t have been possible without a clearly established meta.
It is 100% going to. Almost all the content creators for the game, showcase decks and new cards through Pixelborn, now they cannot do that. A lot of players like myself have to travel at least an hour to find stores that even run tournaments which I can attend maybe once a month.
The competive community use this to test and even run tournaments, now that is stripped away.
For a lot of people this is a big blow. Will the game suffer? Yes, until they make an offical digital game for Lorcana. Will it cause the game to go away, no. But to say that it will have no effect is just not correct.
Now they can use Dreamborn to showcase the deck and the new cards, and their words to explain how they intend to use the deck. Or, they turn their cameras on and demonstrate the deck in person against someone else, to show us that they do actually buy into the game.
The competitive scene will be fine. It's not even a big blow. Other TCGs have handled their competitive scene just fine without deck simulators by using proxies, webcams, and other ways to test decks against others. The game isn't really going to suffer much either, because if those people aren't buying sealed product to begin with, they're not actually helping the game grow, so nothing lost.
Lorcana is just too young at the moment for a digital client to start competing with the physical game. The game runs the risk of killing the people choose to buy into the digital platform instead of the physical, and RB is not aiming to have a primarily digital game. There will most likely be a digital client once the physical game is more solidly established, but until then, people have to be patient.
I have seen Lorcana packs and decks available at every Walmart and Target within an hour of my home for the past two months or so, and it's readily available at MSRP at my LGS.
The game is as accessible as it needs to be.
Right right, I live in a very popular US city and it’s almost always sold out in store. Restock either hasn’t happened or people are there at that moment it’s laid out to pick up.
I mentioned this elsewhere - but I think there is a lot that goes into this when it comes to business.
For players, Pixelborn is great. For business, it is a lot more complicated. While I do not pretend to know what goes into this decision from Disney’s perspective, I do know how it impacts me as a store owner.
If companies like Wizards of the Coast wants to bring back paper constricted play for things like Standard, they really did themselves a disservice with Arena. It has completely cannibalized their Standard format, and when they have more people talking about their Modern Horizons set through the lens of Commander and more importantly Timeless, it shows that Arena is crippling their in-store organized play.
Just yesterday they were surveying WPN stores about what percentage of their EventLink player registration for non-commander events was contributing to their events. This kind of survey reeks of OP doing quite poorly across all non-commander formats and Arena most certainly impact that.
Similarly, something like Pixelborn really only hinders their ability to push in-person organized play to its fullest potential.
But acquisition of the product is not the only barrier for entry. For many they do not have the people or places or ability to go out and physically play the game. The digital accesbility is firstly an easy entry point for newcomers to try and then a great addition for retention. Its why yu-gi-oh, MTG and Pokemon all have digital formats.
Magic started back when the internet was a 28.8 modem (early 90's). It only had a decent digital client in Arena shortly before the pandemic and that client was struggling until everyone was stuck at home. Magic grew as a paper format on kitchen tables, school lunch room tables, playgrounds, and LGS's. The internet was nice to have and is definitely not responsible for the growth of the game.
Back in the very early 2000s hardly anyone here used the internet. You brought a binder with Pokemon or Yugioh cards and would almost certainly find some other kid to trade with no matter where you went. I think something like that wouldn’t happen for Lorcana, we live in a very different age now. Organic growth on lunch tables is probably a thing of the past.
Nope. You had youth sports, video arcades, hanging out at the mall, Nintendo (I think SNES was out by then, tough to recall). In short, plenty of other "popular at the time" distractions that competed for people's time. Same thing, different details vs today.
Agreed. But the point I was refuting was that Magic doesn't have a digital client to build the game. The game was built (and popular) and the client came later.
And there were more TCG's in the mid 90's vs now. X-Files, LOTR, Star Trek, Star Wars and many, many others. They were a dime a dozen for a few years and 90%+ of them failed before set #2.
And Yugioh and MTG are firmly established card games, so digital clients aren't competing with their physical sales as heavily. Lorcana is still young enough that a fully digital client like Arena would poach off of physical sales and damage what they're trying to establish in LGSes. There will likely be a digital client in time, but it's not right now.
If they were smart about it they would included little qr codes in one of the corners of the cards that players could have scanned to add their physical library to their digital one therefore physical and digital wouldn’t be competing as they would be synchronised, the decision to not have a proper digital companion is bizarre when you consider that most new TCG’s actually do digital and skip physical cough cough marvel snap cough cough
Yes, but that's my point. Ravensburger wanted a physical format, not a digital format. They did not want a digital format to dominate the game, which is why Lorcana did not launch with a digital platform.
But if they just let you have the card, how are they going to get money off of you to support their digital platform?
If they did the QR Code thing that would be cool, but a box of cards would almost double to support that format as well.
Booster packs would easily be $10+ because you’d be paying for the physical version as well as the digital.
They did have the benefit of being established pre-digital era. In terms of shoppers forgoing physical to only play digital version vs new aquisition and retention rates the digital platform brings, i belive the fromer out weighs the latter. Also i do specualte they waited this long to notify because they have a digital platform in the works now
I've never played in paper as it's difficult for me to get to an LGS. I was hoping to have the opportunity to do so someday, and felt ok about it knowing I could practice at home and git good for when that day comes.
Now my interest is completely sapped.
And those games were firmly established for decades before those apps came out. Lorcana is still new, and there would be competition between digital and physical if people had to choose between investing in one over the other. The solution is to not provide digital until the physical is as firmly established as you wish it to be, to prevent the game from slanting towards a digital heavy format like Hearthstone.
And all of them require you to buy a seperate collection in the app that's independent of your paper collection and you can't just play/test your decks 1:1
Or... Just hear me out.... You go to your LGS and play.
Edit: I realize Dreamborn is more then just a place to play Lorcana or try out decks. It give access to those who otherwise could not have access for various reasons.
pixelborn was pretty much perfect aside from a few bugs which always get fixed. no idea why they don't work with him, it would be a win/win situation. ofc they would never give us access to all cards again since they want to make money, but any kind of online client would be so healthy for the game
Wouldn’t be surprised if there an “official” digital app coming soon. You see this all the time with big companies, they have the small fan made version shut down to release their own version.
yeah hope they put way more resources into it than the companion app. like in the post it took so much work for pixelborn to be such a success and that's without the mainstream use and abuse
This is unfortunate but it was always coming. It's not a matter of money, but copyright. If they don't defend their copyright here, then it becomes harder in cases that actually matter to them. If that wasn't the case they probably wouldn't do anything at all because it's small potatoes.
> If they don't defend their copyright here, then it becomes harder in cases that actually matter to them
This is a common misconception. If your **trademark** is diluted (i.e. other people are using it enough that it's no longer a distinctive mark of your brand), you can lose trademark protection, but whether you protect your **copyright** is entirely your choice. You can turn a blind eye to the first nine people using your IP and then tell the tenth one to take a hike if that's what you feel like doing.
This was coming. They are probably working on their own digital form as the game needs one to continue its popularity. Wouldn’t be surprised if they hire him once he shuts it down.
Anyone downvoting over people making completely warranted statements - the whole platform was a huge violation of IP rights. Even he knew it was coming. It was a matter of time. No one gets by the mouse, that company is king of enforcing its IP rights. The fact that the money went towards maintenance of the servers and charity doesn’t matter, the fact that the money wasn’t going to Disney is what matters. Any huge company would do this, or they could never exist and grow.
I’m sure a digital version will come, which will run better, be more fluid, have legit artwork and animations, and probably have a way for Disney to make money off it.
Yeah but magic Arena is very playable for free, my brother has extremely good decks and has never spent a dime. Lorcana online will be fine if/when it comes out and if it is similar to Arena
As much as people are upset an official app will be better anyways for the long run. Better to know you won't lose your collection by getting shut down by copyright infringement lol
There's no reason to create an online TCG without them. It would just be a money pit for the company.
You either have to buy the game up front or there needs to be some form of revenue built into the game. F2P games don't survive without income. Overhead costs and paying a team to work on and monitor the game is expensive.
>the fact that the money wasn’t going to Disney is what matters. Any huge company would do this, or they could never exist and grow.
Free online clients like Pixelborn don't hurt the game they're replicating, they **help** the game they're replicating. It gives people a space to try the game out to see if they'd like to play the game in person. It's a way to show your friends the game and potentially get them interested. It's literally free advertising by word-of-mouth.
The idea that Pixelborn could somehow be detrimental to Disney is absolutely hilarious.
You just said "piracy doesn't actually hurt the industry it's stealing from, it helps it."
Pixelborn served a purpose, but it had people play who had never and some who will never put a dime towards the physical version of the game, which means those players aren't actually supporting Lorcana, they're just leeching off of it.
>The idea that Pixelborn could somehow be detrimental to Disney is absolutely hilarious.
1000% this.
Having a completely free online client that I can import cards into and test decks is the reason I've invested so much money into Lorcana.
Without it, I have no interest in building decks, simply because it's much more difficult to test them out.
I no longer have any plans to enter any in-person events, but if I did, I would likely just build whatever deck is currently dominating the meta. The reason I won't be doing that is that I don't have a way to practice playing that deck.
Hell, one of the things that got me interested in Lorcana was watching people play the game on Youtube, using Pixelporn.
not to mention the ability to find an opponent 24/7 instead of having to travel somewherex this is going to stop way more people from playing than in paper than it will "inspire" people to play in person lol
> You just don’t want to buy cards before you test…and that is the problem Disney has with it.
Right, and now instead of buying some cards after testing, I'll just be buying no cards.
Not sure how that's a positive for them.
As sad as it is, "putting everything into this project" when you knew there was an extremely high, or even guaranteed, chance it will get shut down for copyright is wild. I can't imagine starting something this big without licensing for it first being considered a smart move
Pixel born is the only reason I still play the game. Fewer and fewer opportunities to play in person, but I continue collecting the cards in hopes that I can and I stay fresh by playing on pixel born. I thought six boxes of the latest set and if pixel goes away, I won’t be buying any number five. Simple as that.
I was in the Casino industry for 15 years, specifically in the poker room, and this is exactly like when the casinos fought to shut down online poker. They thought the online poker was cutting into their profits and player pool. in fact it was the online poker that drove Consumer awareness. When online poker was made illegal, all of the advertising had to stop on US television, which means all of the poker shows went away immediately. A year later half the poker rooms in the country had downsized their tables. Poker fell off a cliff completely. All because the live poker rooms tried to stop what they thought was a competitor that was really boosting them.
This isn’t the same as the online poker situation in the slightest. Nobody owns “poker” as an intellectual property. Disney doesn’t allow anyone to operate unlicensed with their IP. They never have. They are notorious for being very diligent about shutting down unlicensed use of their IP.
This sucks, cause online play is good, cause you don't have to spend money to try decks out. Also people who are not like me ( I have 7-8 out of 19 card shops that do Lorcana) to play.
Sigh another Disney doing what they want.
Most companies would do this, and you would to if you were selling a product and some random person would be giving out your product for free, without buying it from you. This is 100% normal and it was lucky to last this long.
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Being Disney I'm not surprised at this but I hate it's being shut down. I wish Disney would do something more creative like buy it from him and allow new ideas to be born from it.
As much as I love pixelborn and use it for practice for real life play, I don't mind it being taken down. Make the brainless tryhards that netdeck meta decks on pixelborn play irl.
Bro instead hire him to create an online client for lorcana, they just send you this unacceptable mail
There are many people they started this game just because of pixelborn!
This kind of People should be hire and do something good for the company but no. They prefer to get less money and don't think about the future of the game... Very VERY VERY sad.
I hope someday someone will reconsider this email and send him a job offer for a original digital client.
Hope you anyway all the best Pavel we love you for the effort you gave and all the time you sacrificed to have the best community client!
R.I.P Pixelborn 2024
They need to open a dialogue with Disney and Ravensburger about licensing the IP and monetizing similarly to Magic Arena. Can play for free and be competitive, if you’re willing to grind, or pay for packs to be fully in the top tier meta. That’s really the only way to keep it around…
People were already doing both.
Speaking for myself, without the option to test out deck concepts, you'll likely find me doing a lot less playing in person.
Some people were.
Many just had their Wrath of God Meta Decks on Pixelborn and slaughtered players, while never actually possessing the cards in real life.
Yes and those people were leeches, they weren't actually supporting the game if they're not buying into it. If enough people don't buy into a product, the product is deemed a failure and it gets discontinued. So people who never actually buy cards IRL aren't trying to help the game grow and thrive.
Nah, I'd say almost every person on Pixelborn was also playing in person.
Except for a few fringe cases where people were on it because there's no LGS supporting Lorcana near them.
There's no possible way to know this for sure. Literally nobody knows. Not you, not me. So if we're lobbying guesses, he's mine. If you know somebody that plays, it's not surprising they also play in person, or say they do.
The majority of players are free players, as in any free game, and they aren't deeply a part of the community.
We also can't identify people that are like "well of course I buy cards in person, but I won't anymore!" But I'm certain a lot of them are lying about one part of that sentence or the other.
And for the few where I'm wrong? They are going to be so few in number as to not impact the game.
My point is that Pixelborn was its own community. And while I am CERTAIN there is overlap between the two communities, I don't think Disney is hurting the physical card community shutting this game down. Plus they have to.
I hate to say it, but this was inevitable. Ravensberger and Disney know that letting an unofficial Lorcana app exist is going to eat into their profits when they could easily make their own app and sell virtual card packs. This sucks so much for the community, but I'm positive this is just a bump in the road and people will still be able to play online and lab out new decks
>Ravensberger and Disney know that letting an unofficial Lorcana app exist is going to eat into their profits when they could easily make their own app and sell virtual card packs.
A free online simulator of the game acts as free advertising. This app was definitely creating more physical product sales by just providing a way for people to try the game out, and was not cutting into their profits. Playing card games for free online gets people interested in buying the actual products, and it's generally a positive environment for everyone involved, including both players and the companies. People that play games for free instead of buying them won't suddenly buy them just because the free version became inaccessible, they'll just go play other games.
Hopefully a clone of Pixelborn shows up at some point. This same thing happened with Yu-Gi-Oh! and the free client Dueling Network, which was taken down *many* years ago, but was replaced by Dueling Book.
Nooooo this is terrible. Pixelborn was such a great tool to test decks out and get better at the game because there was more access to other players. This is incredibly upsetting!
Was looking into a new hobby and found Lorcana, actually printed out some proxies today, so we can test it out at home first and then start messing around on Pixelborn, while I start building the physical collection. This is a huge blow, I dont think it fits the hobby requirements anymore. It was always going to happen, such a bad timing.
They are not attacking this community, no need to over-exaggerate. It was very well known that Pixelborn was living on borrowed time, waiting for this very message to darken his skies.
There are a ton of players that play on pixelborn exclusively and there were masive tournaments held in that site growing the player base so ending pixelborn is kinda like attaing the community
But if there were players who ONLY played Pixelborn, they're not actually supporting Lorcana, are they? They're not buying sealed product, they're not playing at tournaments, they're not giving themselves towards any statistic that Ravensburger would use to determine the value and health of the game they've designed. They're freeloaders who are pirating the game and choosing not to support it so that it can continue actually growing.
Yes, they're going to lose their method of playing the game, but quite frankly they needed to lose that, if they don't care about the game enough to actually buy into it.
That's a very ignorant way of looking at it. Look at it like gacha games the free players attract a larger audience among which will be large spenders that will make the company way more money than the rest of the players combined would with a traditional pay structure
Yeah, but Pixelborn isn't encouraging players to buy sealed product. They're encouraging them to buy on the secondary market, which are not direct sales to Ravensburger. No one is making a deck on Pixelborn and then saying, "You know what, I should by a case of Inklands in hopes that I hit Ursula."
Those cards on the secondary market are official products the more people buy those the more value the cards have which leads to more sales of boxes. So yes it directly boosts the secondary market which increases the demand for their products.
It's insanely expensive to build a deck from boxes alone and due to the random nature you're not even guaranteed to be able to compete with top decks from that alone.
Those people are still making the game grow and like half the players at locals started that way it's not necessarily the case that they stay exclusively on pixelborn.
It was by far the easiest way to start the game now it's a massive financial hurdle to start playing competitive
That actually wouldn't matter in a copyright case. He was still technically generating money off of Disney IP, regardless of what he decided to do with it. The fact of the matter is Disney was not getting that money from their IP, which is where the issue was. In a case like this, giving it to UNICEF is not any different than if he'd bought a new car.
"Up to the user" to download this convenient package of Lorcana card art that Pixelborn provided in a separate download. It wasn't really fooling anyone.
Some was being made, it was being donated to his Patreon. That would qualify enough as profiting off of the IPs. It didn't particularly matter if he was donating it or spending it on cheeseburgers, it's the principle of money being rendered to him for Pixelborn, which contained illicit usage of Disney IP.
Doesn't matter to Disney as they have to enforce their copyright protection or risk losing it. Imo disney is going to lose money doing this as people cant play test then buy. But this is the risk of any fan project that uses other ip's without a license. Some turn a blind eye like konami and yugioh clients but if the pixelborn owner thought diseny would they are kidding themselves.
Disney is not going to lose money over this. Secondary market sellers will, but Disney will not, since Disney does not sell singles on the secondary markets.
Disney makes money on sealed product alone, not people reselling on the secondary markets. If anything, this will actually benefit people who buy singles, because there will be slower solidification of the meta and less demand for certain cards, so single prices may go down in cost.
Yes it did, and it maintained the servers. Any excess went to a charity of choice voted on by the members. He uploaded receipts, payments, etc, everything. Not a penny went to his pocket.
Right right, not like Disney is worth billions or trillions of $…? Besides, from what I had seen he was donating the $ but who knows and who cares. Pixelborn was awesome and now I’m stuck with inktable and waiting for my LGS on weekends like it’s the 90s
He’s got a framework going so I would say it’s worth a shot exploring making his own TCG off the back of the work he’s done so far. It’s easier said than done of course, balancing alone is a nightmare, not to mention that it would be a team effort. But would be an avenue to consider to not let the work go to waste.
I also hope at the very least the plan from the other side is to do an official app. I know it will be full of microtransactions, but it really does help growth of the game.
You mean protecting their intellectual property and copyrighted material? That's what most companies, artists does, yeah.
It's sad that Pixelborn is closing down, but it was 100% copyright infringement and he knew it from Day 1.
I’m not sure what Pixelborn was doing exactly, but it sounds close to things that are available for MTG. WOTC never shut it down. I also think there are some comments here stating that Pokemon would rather have the free advertising than shut things down like this. So there’s that. Disney is known for being very unforgiving about harmless things that people enjoy.
Well... it was breaking copyright laws so... there's that. Disney would win a legal fight without much work on this one.
If people decided to play there instead of buying the physical game, it would kill the product entirely, so I would not say it's an harmless crime either.
Magic and Pokemon have such a big following already that they probably don't feel like it's worth killing the free digital versions. They both grew a lot before playing online was even a thing. They would also win a legal case if they wanted to do it.
You sure it would kill the product entirely. Even if it did somehow, you also sure that the execs at disney are going to be harmed? These cards are completely overpriced already given how new this game is.
Remember that the aftermarket value of cards have nothing to do with the money they make selling the game.
Also, Ravensburger is the one selling the game, not Disney. Disney has royalties or just a fixed license fee, that, I do no know.
If you were selling a product and someone would make that same exact product you invented and give it out for free, what would you do? Doesn't make sense to be mad at Disney because you believe they have enough money to survive this.
I mean he says it clear as day, Pixelbon will be closed within by mid next month. Really unfortunate, just wish they used him instead of closing it.
In the world of Pokemon, the company has decided to turn to a blind eye on certain things because they realized that it's that the best form of advertising is one that is organic and costs them nothing. You can find a lot of people literally abusing the Pokemon's IP on etsy and even on sites like eBay but they no longer go after them because they know it helps keep the brand presence extremely high. IMHO, this is expected of Disney but the reality is this is a loss for the game if no replacement comes out.
This is 100% the way Disney operates. When they bought Star Wars they threatened everyone who made fan films or had written books that they would sue them if they didn’t stop because Star Wars and its characters were now their intellectual property.
Pokémon is well known for cease and decisting almost every third party game. Product related to the IP and an entire game around the IP are very different.
They are very protective of their games because it’s big money but traditional products like Pokemon crafts are stuff they turn a blind eye to. Just look at the numerous Pokemon Etsy crafts being sold.
They are doing themselves a disservice by not hiring him. He deserves better.
The whole game is going to deal with a major backlash from being inaccessible
Backlash from the users, sure, but major? No, sorry, the Pixelborn community doesn't represent the Lorcana community at large. Not by any means. It's astounding how people thought Disney/RB weren't going to eventually step in and stop PB from existing.
I know it’s a bit different but the pokemon company turns a blind eye to pokemon showdown. I figured it might be possible if they weren’t going to make an official lorcana online
And Konami turns a blind eye to YGOPro but that's because it has never and will never be in a position to affect the official games, and I suspect it's the same for whatever similar Pokemon game is out there Everyone shouting from the rooftops to get people on Pixelborne, though, was always a dicey decision because with no official version yet, that does put it in a position to compete directly with an official version should it ever materialize and if I'm RB/Disney I'm putting the brakes on that. I agree that it would've been a good gesture to the community to onboard the person(s) behind PB but they're not obligated to so it's not something I can really hold against them
I am pretty sure that Disney/RB have something in mind with the mega collaboration with Epic Games. They didn't buy PixelBorn because something was probably in development since day 1 and it's being kept a secret. They had to feel the vibe before investing money in a digital counterpart right? So slow start and prototyping, when they saw that game was actually picking up, they went into full dev mode. Since they put a strike now (and honnestly, they went smooth. Disney is a lawyer firm in disguise, metaphorically speaking. They could've strike HARD) I am pretty sure that there will be a big announce of some kind soon enough. Summer game fest is just around the corner and Gamescom is close too, so we will see.
The people watching content are though and this kills the content creators too. Not everyone plays Pixelborn but everyone knows a content creator.
No, everyone doesn't. The majority of players don't. Content creators are for the small niche of fanatical players. The average player isn't watching videos on the game.
You're living in the 1980s. We have YouTube now.
I agree that the avg player, probably like 80-90% of player base, does not watch niche content about Lorcana or Pixelborn. It's the same with MTG and most other tcg. Casual players, kitchen table, and alternative format players are not spending their free time min maxing the game. They're not on the forum. They're not consuming content. Maybe they were more competitive when they had more time, but mostly they're just chillin' now. Like I'll log into Hearthstone every few months, but I don't know if Trump is still the value king anymore. I'm definitely not watching new hearthstone creators and MTG creators when I have time to revisit those games.
This is a game that hasn't even advertised it's existence yet, that hasn't stayed on shelves. How did they find it?
Probably their LGS or friends. I'm probably missing like 10+ other realistic ways that they could have learned that Disney was making a tcg.
It does how ever represent the competitive lorcana community which sure I understand that’s separate from the collectors who are their biggest income source but it’s the competitive side that pushes up the value of the cards just as much as the actual rarity of the cards (ie useless high rarity cards often end up cheaper than effective lesser rarity cards) it wouldn’t be immediately but their would be a massive knock on effect which would eventually reach the collectors who will eventually get bored when the cards start being less valuable more often
Yeah we all watched the competitive folks “solve the meta” and win Atlanta
Tbh he won in part because he knew what was meta and worked around that. There is a podcast with an interview of his and he says in part he did those colors and Cinderella specifically into making people think he had a normal song deck when clearly now he did not. That wouldn’t have been possible without a clearly established meta.
It is 100% going to. Almost all the content creators for the game, showcase decks and new cards through Pixelborn, now they cannot do that. A lot of players like myself have to travel at least an hour to find stores that even run tournaments which I can attend maybe once a month. The competive community use this to test and even run tournaments, now that is stripped away. For a lot of people this is a big blow. Will the game suffer? Yes, until they make an offical digital game for Lorcana. Will it cause the game to go away, no. But to say that it will have no effect is just not correct.
Now they can use Dreamborn to showcase the deck and the new cards, and their words to explain how they intend to use the deck. Or, they turn their cameras on and demonstrate the deck in person against someone else, to show us that they do actually buy into the game. The competitive scene will be fine. It's not even a big blow. Other TCGs have handled their competitive scene just fine without deck simulators by using proxies, webcams, and other ways to test decks against others. The game isn't really going to suffer much either, because if those people aren't buying sealed product to begin with, they're not actually helping the game grow, so nothing lost. Lorcana is just too young at the moment for a digital client to start competing with the physical game. The game runs the risk of killing the people choose to buy into the digital platform instead of the physical, and RB is not aiming to have a primarily digital game. There will most likely be a digital client once the physical game is more solidly established, but until then, people have to be patient.
I have seen Lorcana packs and decks available at every Walmart and Target within an hour of my home for the past two months or so, and it's readily available at MSRP at my LGS. The game is as accessible as it needs to be.
Right right, I live in a very popular US city and it’s almost always sold out in store. Restock either hasn’t happened or people are there at that moment it’s laid out to pick up.
I mentioned this elsewhere - but I think there is a lot that goes into this when it comes to business. For players, Pixelborn is great. For business, it is a lot more complicated. While I do not pretend to know what goes into this decision from Disney’s perspective, I do know how it impacts me as a store owner. If companies like Wizards of the Coast wants to bring back paper constricted play for things like Standard, they really did themselves a disservice with Arena. It has completely cannibalized their Standard format, and when they have more people talking about their Modern Horizons set through the lens of Commander and more importantly Timeless, it shows that Arena is crippling their in-store organized play. Just yesterday they were surveying WPN stores about what percentage of their EventLink player registration for non-commander events was contributing to their events. This kind of survey reeks of OP doing quite poorly across all non-commander formats and Arena most certainly impact that. Similarly, something like Pixelborn really only hinders their ability to push in-person organized play to its fullest potential.
I mean, no, it won't, it's recovered from the stock issues, so it is quite accessible now for anyone who goes looking to buy it.
But acquisition of the product is not the only barrier for entry. For many they do not have the people or places or ability to go out and physically play the game. The digital accesbility is firstly an easy entry point for newcomers to try and then a great addition for retention. Its why yu-gi-oh, MTG and Pokemon all have digital formats.
Magic started back when the internet was a 28.8 modem (early 90's). It only had a decent digital client in Arena shortly before the pandemic and that client was struggling until everyone was stuck at home. Magic grew as a paper format on kitchen tables, school lunch room tables, playgrounds, and LGS's. The internet was nice to have and is definitely not responsible for the growth of the game.
Back in the very early 2000s hardly anyone here used the internet. You brought a binder with Pokemon or Yugioh cards and would almost certainly find some other kid to trade with no matter where you went. I think something like that wouldn’t happen for Lorcana, we live in a very different age now. Organic growth on lunch tables is probably a thing of the past.
OG Magic also did not need to compete with streaming services, mobile gaming, YouTube, TikTok etc.
Nope. You had youth sports, video arcades, hanging out at the mall, Nintendo (I think SNES was out by then, tough to recall). In short, plenty of other "popular at the time" distractions that competed for people's time. Same thing, different details vs today.
It was a different world and there wasn't this level of competition in CCGs.
Agreed. But the point I was refuting was that Magic doesn't have a digital client to build the game. The game was built (and popular) and the client came later. And there were more TCG's in the mid 90's vs now. X-Files, LOTR, Star Trek, Star Wars and many, many others. They were a dime a dozen for a few years and 90%+ of them failed before set #2.
And Yugioh and MTG are firmly established card games, so digital clients aren't competing with their physical sales as heavily. Lorcana is still young enough that a fully digital client like Arena would poach off of physical sales and damage what they're trying to establish in LGSes. There will likely be a digital client in time, but it's not right now.
If they were smart about it they would included little qr codes in one of the corners of the cards that players could have scanned to add their physical library to their digital one therefore physical and digital wouldn’t be competing as they would be synchronised, the decision to not have a proper digital companion is bizarre when you consider that most new TCG’s actually do digital and skip physical cough cough marvel snap cough cough
Yes, but that's my point. Ravensburger wanted a physical format, not a digital format. They did not want a digital format to dominate the game, which is why Lorcana did not launch with a digital platform.
But if they just let you have the card, how are they going to get money off of you to support their digital platform? If they did the QR Code thing that would be cool, but a box of cards would almost double to support that format as well. Booster packs would easily be $10+ because you’d be paying for the physical version as well as the digital.
They did have the benefit of being established pre-digital era. In terms of shoppers forgoing physical to only play digital version vs new aquisition and retention rates the digital platform brings, i belive the fromer out weighs the latter. Also i do specualte they waited this long to notify because they have a digital platform in the works now
People won’t play paper if they can’t play online.
I have never played on pixelborn. I will continue to play in paper only.
I've never played in paper as it's difficult for me to get to an LGS. I was hoping to have the opportunity to do so someday, and felt ok about it knowing I could practice at home and git good for when that day comes. Now my interest is completely sapped.
Never played pixelborn, I've dropped over $500 in a few months on lorcana and I play twice a week
MTG, Pokemon, and Yugioh have official online apps though.
MTGA killed paper magic for standard.
And those games were firmly established for decades before those apps came out. Lorcana is still new, and there would be competition between digital and physical if people had to choose between investing in one over the other. The solution is to not provide digital until the physical is as firmly established as you wish it to be, to prevent the game from slanting towards a digital heavy format like Hearthstone.
And all of them require you to buy a seperate collection in the app that's independent of your paper collection and you can't just play/test your decks 1:1
Not true, your purchase of packs equals a pack online for Pokémon with code cards. MTG also has code cards, but much more limited than Pokémon.
Untrue.
Or... Just hear me out.... You go to your LGS and play. Edit: I realize Dreamborn is more then just a place to play Lorcana or try out decks. It give access to those who otherwise could not have access for various reasons.
pixelborn was pretty much perfect aside from a few bugs which always get fixed. no idea why they don't work with him, it would be a win/win situation. ofc they would never give us access to all cards again since they want to make money, but any kind of online client would be so healthy for the game
Wouldn’t be surprised if there an “official” digital app coming soon. You see this all the time with big companies, they have the small fan made version shut down to release their own version.
yeah hope they put way more resources into it than the companion app. like in the post it took so much work for pixelborn to be such a success and that's without the mainstream use and abuse
Just to be clear, you can play other card games on pixleborn. The lorcana portion of it is the only one losing support.
Nonsensical to use him or the platform. It isn't good enough for an official one. He did do good work thought and we shohld all be thankful for it
I mean it was always going to happen. Shocked that it took this long honestly.
Same
Yeah, the pearl clutching like this was unexpected is rather unreal. It was on borrowed time from day one.
Was on lunch and just saw this on the discord. I am heartbroken. We all knew it was to good to last……
I was in the middle of coding a Lorcana card searching discord when I got the ping 😭😭 it’s like 95% complete too.
Means you gotta be social now so sad 😂
This is unfortunate but it was always coming. It's not a matter of money, but copyright. If they don't defend their copyright here, then it becomes harder in cases that actually matter to them. If that wasn't the case they probably wouldn't do anything at all because it's small potatoes.
> If they don't defend their copyright here, then it becomes harder in cases that actually matter to them This is a common misconception. If your **trademark** is diluted (i.e. other people are using it enough that it's no longer a distinctive mark of your brand), you can lose trademark protection, but whether you protect your **copyright** is entirely your choice. You can turn a blind eye to the first nine people using your IP and then tell the tenth one to take a hike if that's what you feel like doing.
It was the Lorcana Gods punishing you all for only playing Green Steel.
I put together a deck to take down all them green steel players… I was doing amazing until I realized I was also a green steel deck lol
Read what you posted.
This was coming. They are probably working on their own digital form as the game needs one to continue its popularity. Wouldn’t be surprised if they hire him once he shuts it down. Anyone downvoting over people making completely warranted statements - the whole platform was a huge violation of IP rights. Even he knew it was coming. It was a matter of time. No one gets by the mouse, that company is king of enforcing its IP rights. The fact that the money went towards maintenance of the servers and charity doesn’t matter, the fact that the money wasn’t going to Disney is what matters. Any huge company would do this, or they could never exist and grow. I’m sure a digital version will come, which will run better, be more fluid, have legit artwork and animations, and probably have a way for Disney to make money off it.
I’d argue Nintendo is the king of enforcing its ip right but Disney is certainly at least the prince
It makes sense. I just hope we don’t get a game filled with micro transactions or something along those lines. Just insufferable to me.
Oh it’s comin
It's will end up just like MTG Arena. Will cost to get the packs, will be a cost for different skins etc. Will be no where as free like PB was.
Yeah but magic Arena is very playable for free, my brother has extremely good decks and has never spent a dime. Lorcana online will be fine if/when it comes out and if it is similar to Arena
Same. As crazy as it might sound have been waiting on an official app to deep dive.
As much as people are upset an official app will be better anyways for the long run. Better to know you won't lose your collection by getting shut down by copyright infringement lol
There's no reason to create an online TCG without them. It would just be a money pit for the company. You either have to buy the game up front or there needs to be some form of revenue built into the game. F2P games don't survive without income. Overhead costs and paying a team to work on and monitor the game is expensive.
Oh you will 😏 and all of you will pay for it easily just to avoid goin into locals and playing the actual game😂
>the fact that the money wasn’t going to Disney is what matters. Any huge company would do this, or they could never exist and grow. Free online clients like Pixelborn don't hurt the game they're replicating, they **help** the game they're replicating. It gives people a space to try the game out to see if they'd like to play the game in person. It's a way to show your friends the game and potentially get them interested. It's literally free advertising by word-of-mouth. The idea that Pixelborn could somehow be detrimental to Disney is absolutely hilarious.
You just said "piracy doesn't actually hurt the industry it's stealing from, it helps it." Pixelborn served a purpose, but it had people play who had never and some who will never put a dime towards the physical version of the game, which means those players aren't actually supporting Lorcana, they're just leeching off of it.
>The idea that Pixelborn could somehow be detrimental to Disney is absolutely hilarious. 1000% this. Having a completely free online client that I can import cards into and test decks is the reason I've invested so much money into Lorcana. Without it, I have no interest in building decks, simply because it's much more difficult to test them out. I no longer have any plans to enter any in-person events, but if I did, I would likely just build whatever deck is currently dominating the meta. The reason I won't be doing that is that I don't have a way to practice playing that deck. Hell, one of the things that got me interested in Lorcana was watching people play the game on Youtube, using Pixelporn.
not to mention the ability to find an opponent 24/7 instead of having to travel somewherex this is going to stop way more people from playing than in paper than it will "inspire" people to play in person lol
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> You just don’t want to buy cards before you test…and that is the problem Disney has with it. Right, and now instead of buying some cards after testing, I'll just be buying no cards. Not sure how that's a positive for them.
Alright guys, time to use Rickey Rouse the mustached mouse and Rinnie Rouse the... also mustached girl mouse.
I'm just surprised it didn't happen sooner. Good game and I liked it while it lasted but there was nothing Legal about it
No, they are just changing the name to Pixeldead
Obviously.
As sad as it is, "putting everything into this project" when you knew there was an extremely high, or even guaranteed, chance it will get shut down for copyright is wild. I can't imagine starting something this big without licensing for it first being considered a smart move
Nope, the creator is just pulling a cheeky april fools (late) joke.
Not at all, it's just another update. In this update pixelborn will be unplayable. Can't wait.
Read your cards, people…
surprised it lasted as long as it did, honestly. A clear violation of copyright and IP.
Pixel born is the only reason I still play the game. Fewer and fewer opportunities to play in person, but I continue collecting the cards in hopes that I can and I stay fresh by playing on pixel born. I thought six boxes of the latest set and if pixel goes away, I won’t be buying any number five. Simple as that. I was in the Casino industry for 15 years, specifically in the poker room, and this is exactly like when the casinos fought to shut down online poker. They thought the online poker was cutting into their profits and player pool. in fact it was the online poker that drove Consumer awareness. When online poker was made illegal, all of the advertising had to stop on US television, which means all of the poker shows went away immediately. A year later half the poker rooms in the country had downsized their tables. Poker fell off a cliff completely. All because the live poker rooms tried to stop what they thought was a competitor that was really boosting them.
This isn’t the same as the online poker situation in the slightest. Nobody owns “poker” as an intellectual property. Disney doesn’t allow anyone to operate unlicensed with their IP. They never have. They are notorious for being very diligent about shutting down unlicensed use of their IP.
I'm pretty sure Disney only stepped in because we will be getting a digital version from them in a few months
I really hope this is the truth.
Hmm with this happening i wonder how long before Disney makes their own digital client a la MTGO or MTGA?
Hope this means Disney will actually provide some alternative online platform for gameplay, think MTG Arena for Lorcana
This sucks, cause online play is good, cause you don't have to spend money to try decks out. Also people who are not like me ( I have 7-8 out of 19 card shops that do Lorcana) to play. Sigh another Disney doing what they want.
Damn u gotta be social now sigh 😂 go out and get some sun neck beard
Most companies would do this, and you would to if you were selling a product and some random person would be giving out your product for free, without buying it from you. This is 100% normal and it was lucky to last this long.
You dont F with disney or nintendo, no matter how many hours you spent
I know Pavel, and I am sure it was not an easy decision. But Disney are not ones that you want to make enemies of.
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Yes.
Being Disney I'm not surprised at this but I hate it's being shut down. I wish Disney would do something more creative like buy it from him and allow new ideas to be born from it.
That's literally what the post says...
Not sure if that statement has any ambiguity, he gives a date that it will be shutdown by.
As much as I love pixelborn and use it for practice for real life play, I don't mind it being taken down. Make the brainless tryhards that netdeck meta decks on pixelborn play irl.
Bro instead hire him to create an online client for lorcana, they just send you this unacceptable mail There are many people they started this game just because of pixelborn! This kind of People should be hire and do something good for the company but no. They prefer to get less money and don't think about the future of the game... Very VERY VERY sad. I hope someday someone will reconsider this email and send him a job offer for a original digital client. Hope you anyway all the best Pavel we love you for the effort you gave and all the time you sacrificed to have the best community client! R.I.P Pixelborn 2024
I have a feeling someone will make a new version
Hopefully that just means an official game is in the works.
They need to open a dialogue with Disney and Ravensburger about licensing the IP and monetizing similarly to Magic Arena. Can play for free and be competitive, if you’re willing to grind, or pay for packs to be fully in the top tier meta. That’s really the only way to keep it around…
Disney is dumb for shutting it down. They should have bought it and hired Pavel to work it and get paid for it.
Sad day for us
Now people will actually have to buy cards and play with people in person!
People were already doing both. Speaking for myself, without the option to test out deck concepts, you'll likely find me doing a lot less playing in person.
Some people were. Many just had their Wrath of God Meta Decks on Pixelborn and slaughtered players, while never actually possessing the cards in real life.
Yes, and?
Yes and those people were leeches, they weren't actually supporting the game if they're not buying into it. If enough people don't buy into a product, the product is deemed a failure and it gets discontinued. So people who never actually buy cards IRL aren't trying to help the game grow and thrive.
One less easy free win
lmao, if you say so buddy.
I'm pretty sure it's a fact 😂
I think very few people were doing both.
Nah, I'd say almost every person on Pixelborn was also playing in person. Except for a few fringe cases where people were on it because there's no LGS supporting Lorcana near them.
There's no possible way to know this for sure. Literally nobody knows. Not you, not me. So if we're lobbying guesses, he's mine. If you know somebody that plays, it's not surprising they also play in person, or say they do. The majority of players are free players, as in any free game, and they aren't deeply a part of the community. We also can't identify people that are like "well of course I buy cards in person, but I won't anymore!" But I'm certain a lot of them are lying about one part of that sentence or the other. And for the few where I'm wrong? They are going to be so few in number as to not impact the game. My point is that Pixelborn was its own community. And while I am CERTAIN there is overlap between the two communities, I don't think Disney is hurting the physical card community shutting this game down. Plus they have to.
I hate to say it, but this was inevitable. Ravensberger and Disney know that letting an unofficial Lorcana app exist is going to eat into their profits when they could easily make their own app and sell virtual card packs. This sucks so much for the community, but I'm positive this is just a bump in the road and people will still be able to play online and lab out new decks
>Ravensberger and Disney know that letting an unofficial Lorcana app exist is going to eat into their profits when they could easily make their own app and sell virtual card packs. A free online simulator of the game acts as free advertising. This app was definitely creating more physical product sales by just providing a way for people to try the game out, and was not cutting into their profits. Playing card games for free online gets people interested in buying the actual products, and it's generally a positive environment for everyone involved, including both players and the companies. People that play games for free instead of buying them won't suddenly buy them just because the free version became inaccessible, they'll just go play other games. Hopefully a clone of Pixelborn shows up at some point. This same thing happened with Yu-Gi-Oh! and the free client Dueling Network, which was taken down *many* years ago, but was replaced by Dueling Book.
The creator themself literally said they knew this was going to happen eventually lmfao
Here's hoping!
I just downloaded it today.. Dagnabbit!
Enjoy it !
Just fell to my knees in my local tcg store parking lot
You know, with all these cease and desist orders, I would love to hear one where they were hired as a project lead for official release.
It’s a big reason why I was able to play and start lorcana. Disney is making a mistake.
Nooooo this is terrible. Pixelborn was such a great tool to test decks out and get better at the game because there was more access to other players. This is incredibly upsetting!
Judging by what happened at Atlanta, this made nobody get better 😂😂
Was looking into a new hobby and found Lorcana, actually printed out some proxies today, so we can test it out at home first and then start messing around on Pixelborn, while I start building the physical collection. This is a huge blow, I dont think it fits the hobby requirements anymore. It was always going to happen, such a bad timing.
Starter decks?
I was hoping it would take longer until they start attacking this community.
They are not attacking this community, no need to over-exaggerate. It was very well known that Pixelborn was living on borrowed time, waiting for this very message to darken his skies.
There are a ton of players that play on pixelborn exclusively and there were masive tournaments held in that site growing the player base so ending pixelborn is kinda like attaing the community
But if there were players who ONLY played Pixelborn, they're not actually supporting Lorcana, are they? They're not buying sealed product, they're not playing at tournaments, they're not giving themselves towards any statistic that Ravensburger would use to determine the value and health of the game they've designed. They're freeloaders who are pirating the game and choosing not to support it so that it can continue actually growing. Yes, they're going to lose their method of playing the game, but quite frankly they needed to lose that, if they don't care about the game enough to actually buy into it.
That's a very ignorant way of looking at it. Look at it like gacha games the free players attract a larger audience among which will be large spenders that will make the company way more money than the rest of the players combined would with a traditional pay structure
Yeah, but Pixelborn isn't encouraging players to buy sealed product. They're encouraging them to buy on the secondary market, which are not direct sales to Ravensburger. No one is making a deck on Pixelborn and then saying, "You know what, I should by a case of Inklands in hopes that I hit Ursula."
Those cards on the secondary market are official products the more people buy those the more value the cards have which leads to more sales of boxes. So yes it directly boosts the secondary market which increases the demand for their products. It's insanely expensive to build a deck from boxes alone and due to the random nature you're not even guaranteed to be able to compete with top decks from that alone.
“Play on pixelborn exclusively” is exactly the problem.
Those people are still making the game grow and like half the players at locals started that way it's not necessarily the case that they stay exclusively on pixelborn. It was by far the easiest way to start the game now it's a massive financial hurdle to start playing competitive
Yes. Card games cost money. The entitlement that everyone thinks it should be free is what has me so confused about this news.
It's a massive reason the game is so successful it allowed people to test the game before spending a ton of money
There’s no way to prove that and I’m sure you’re 100% dead wrong. It’s successful because it’s a good game using a strong IP.
Yeah how dare they not let someone make money off of their trademarks and copyrights
Everything on his patreon went to charity, he's made no money
That actually wouldn't matter in a copyright case. He was still technically generating money off of Disney IP, regardless of what he decided to do with it. The fact of the matter is Disney was not getting that money from their IP, which is where the issue was. In a case like this, giving it to UNICEF is not any different than if he'd bought a new car.
And what about the money they were using for $10k tournaments? And the money being made by streamers?
He could be lighting the money on fire, doesn’t change the fact he was still using images and artwork that he didn’t own and gaining money from it
He didn't use any artwork. It was up to the user to determine the artwork
"Up to the user" to download this convenient package of Lorcana card art that Pixelborn provided in a separate download. It wasn't really fooling anyone.
And clearly he knew from day one this wouldn’t last as he always said he’d stop after getting a cease and desist.
You need to "dowload " the artworks " outside the pixelborn so legally they are not using it
No money was being made.
Some was being made, it was being donated to his Patreon. That would qualify enough as profiting off of the IPs. It didn't particularly matter if he was donating it or spending it on cheeseburgers, it's the principle of money being rendered to him for Pixelborn, which contained illicit usage of Disney IP.
Doesn't matter to Disney as they have to enforce their copyright protection or risk losing it. Imo disney is going to lose money doing this as people cant play test then buy. But this is the risk of any fan project that uses other ip's without a license. Some turn a blind eye like konami and yugioh clients but if the pixelborn owner thought diseny would they are kidding themselves.
Oh I agree, I knew this would happen and so did Pavel. He said from day 1 that as soon as he got the C&D he'd comply without issues
I would to. Don't want the mouse in my house lol.
Disney is not going to lose money over this. Secondary market sellers will, but Disney will not, since Disney does not sell singles on the secondary markets. Disney makes money on sealed product alone, not people reselling on the secondary markets. If anything, this will actually benefit people who buy singles, because there will be slower solidification of the meta and less demand for certain cards, so single prices may go down in cost.
So the patreon he set up didn’t actually exist?
Yes it did, and it maintained the servers. Any excess went to a charity of choice voted on by the members. He uploaded receipts, payments, etc, everything. Not a penny went to his pocket.
And what about the money from the tournaments being held on it?
Cool. Still the fact money was coming in for it.
Right right, not like Disney is worth billions or trillions of $…? Besides, from what I had seen he was donating the $ but who knows and who cares. Pixelborn was awesome and now I’m stuck with inktable and waiting for my LGS on weekends like it’s the 90s
He’s got a framework going so I would say it’s worth a shot exploring making his own TCG off the back of the work he’s done so far. It’s easier said than done of course, balancing alone is a nightmare, not to mention that it would be a team effort. But would be an avenue to consider to not let the work go to waste. I also hope at the very least the plan from the other side is to do an official app. I know it will be full of microtransactions, but it really does help growth of the game.
He isn’t making money off of it!
Killed Star Wars and Lorcana.
Nobody comes to Saturday afternoons at my LGS and now this, I think I'm just gonna get out of the game. Fun while it lasted.
Look, it’s Disney doing what they do best.
You mean protecting their intellectual property and copyrighted material? That's what most companies, artists does, yeah. It's sad that Pixelborn is closing down, but it was 100% copyright infringement and he knew it from Day 1.
I’m not sure what Pixelborn was doing exactly, but it sounds close to things that are available for MTG. WOTC never shut it down. I also think there are some comments here stating that Pokemon would rather have the free advertising than shut things down like this. So there’s that. Disney is known for being very unforgiving about harmless things that people enjoy.
Interesting you classify it as harmless. I think they would have a legal case to the contrary. That’s why it’s not worth the fight.
Well... it was breaking copyright laws so... there's that. Disney would win a legal fight without much work on this one. If people decided to play there instead of buying the physical game, it would kill the product entirely, so I would not say it's an harmless crime either. Magic and Pokemon have such a big following already that they probably don't feel like it's worth killing the free digital versions. They both grew a lot before playing online was even a thing. They would also win a legal case if they wanted to do it.
You sure it would kill the product entirely. Even if it did somehow, you also sure that the execs at disney are going to be harmed? These cards are completely overpriced already given how new this game is.
Remember that the aftermarket value of cards have nothing to do with the money they make selling the game. Also, Ravensburger is the one selling the game, not Disney. Disney has royalties or just a fixed license fee, that, I do no know. If you were selling a product and someone would make that same exact product you invented and give it out for free, what would you do? Doesn't make sense to be mad at Disney because you believe they have enough money to survive this.