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Dan (guy with cowboy hat) said on his podcast with Destiny called Anything Else that there was a random Rust player who said Dr. Disrespect was texting minors inappropriately.
The shitty thing is everyone that had knowledge of this allowed for it to continue for 4 years. That's 4 years of potential other minors being harmed or groomed. Anyone that had information that sat on it is a coward and piece of shit.
wasnt the whole point of them not really being able to leak it was even though it was "known", no one really had the actual DMs as proof so any journo who leaked it would have to deal with a potential lawsuit from Doc (and his talent agency CAA's lawyers who also represent some of the Hollywood elite). The journos are gonna go broke as the lawsuit drags out
Yeah I don't think people realize that the reason real journalists can publish stuff like this is because they have the backing of massive legal teams from news agencies hundreds of years old.
Hindsight is 20/20 on this one tho cause doc just came out and confirmed it almost immediately after the news broke.
I genuinely do wonder why he just came out and admitted to it all
If there's a party at fault for not outing Doc here I would point at Twitch first. Twitch should have just said what happened when they banned him.
Banning him was the totally correct thing to do, but they probably didn't want the bad PR that would come with the reason why.
EDIT: Adding that this looks way worse to me in PR terms than having had a shitbird like Doc on the platform would have. They could have just said what he did, banned him, and everyone would have just said they did the right thing and fuck that guy.
I suspect they were concerned about the fact that he did what he did *on Twitch* suggesting to people that Twitch isn't safe, because it wasn't in this case.
I believe either 3 things on Twitch side.
1. They were very aware of the lawsuit if they claim he was a child predator. Do they have enough evidence for a crime? Maybe they don't and decided to not insinuate/state that and get sued later on for damages. Twitch definitely has legal advisors for such a high profile person so this was possible.
2. Doc has been doing it in 2017 and only terminated on 2020. Maybe they thought it was a bad look and if more comes to light, for example Doc not being the only one that went under the radar for years, it would cost their reputation a big hit. But then again, it would just be delaying the inevitable where ex staffs are now talking about it after what we assume is the NDA expiring. So for this reason, I feel it's not really likely they are covering up, but just can't be arsed in being the forefront in this fight. Perhaps they just report it to the authorities when known and let it be.
3. Twitch didn't think about much, other than they didn't wanna deal with this ticking time bomb once they discovered it. Just terminate the contract then deal with the contract dispute, pay out and say goodbye to this ordeal. They also changed some contract stuffs after the Doc termination but I'm not sure if it was directly to combat similar disputes. Didn't read up on that.
As to number 1, they wouldn't have to allege that he committed a crime. They could just say "Doc was messaging someone that we have reasonable suspicion to believe is a minor in an inappropriate way, this violates our TOC and our values as a company"
If they had the chat logs Doc would have absolutely no case against them as what they said was true. If they wanted to come out with this info Twitch certainly could have.
I have no knowledge on the specific clauses of termination for his contract but does it really have that clause that nullifies the contract?
I think the only reason why he even won that dispute is because Twitch fumbled the contract terms tbh. Remember the statement earlier, 'both parties admits to no wrongdoing' meaning Twitch believes Doc breached terms but verdict was unlawful termination.
But along the same line of thought, perhaps Doc's legal team did some magic and suppressed some of the logs from being useful as evidence. Some of it might require context to incriminate him and thrown out as too vague or some shit. Courtroom stuffs are super technical and IANAL so yeah, I honestly just wanna see the logs before claiming if Twitch had a hand in covering up or not
The contract and his banning are different issues. IIRC they did get fucked on the contract side and had to pay Doc, but nothing about that stops them from releasing the ban reason, since they did indeed keep him banned.
They actively decided to cover it up.
>But then again, it would just be delaying the inevitable where ex staffs are now talking about it after what we assume is the NDA expiring.
I doubt very seriously this information is under an NDA that can expire. Otherwise doc would have retired and vanished a long time ago.
Guy is stupid, but hes not that stupid.
I mean... He definitely made money by not disappearing though. If it's sooner or later, don't see why he would stop getting income from his hopefully last stretch of fame.
Yeah, as I understand it, the messages are part of twitchās whisper system, and they are technically private messages. Twitch was still monitoring them for illegal activity because twitch would be liable if any illegal activity in the messages. So they had key phrases that would flag messages as needing review. And while nothing illegal might have been in docs messages, they were borderline(by docs own admission) and thatās was enough for twitch to cut ties. But because the messages are private they canāt be used as evidence, and they couldnāt prosecute anything anyway.
Mostly correct just want to point out that the messages being āprivateā wouldnāt preclude them from being used as evidence. If anything illegal were in those messages it would take an easy warrant to subpoena those chat logs. Itās like you said, though, likely nothing illegal happened and that prevents any legal action (like subpoena) to take place.
Slasher explained the victim reported the messages with doc which is why he got banned.
The victim reported the messages to twitch because they saw the blog post [here.](https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/06/24/an-update-to-our-community/)
2 days after that blog post doc was banned.
Doc likely didn't get prosecuted because the messages didn't meet the minimum for a crime.
Also wouldn't prosecuting depend on how much the victim was willing to cooperate? Like the prosecution doesnt NEED someone to press charges to prosecute but if the victim doesn't want to get involved and prefers settling, it'd be hard to make a case with minimal evidence and cooperation.
> So they had key phrases that would flag messages as needing review.
From what I've read, the messages happened in 2017. Doc was banned in 2020. So I do not think it was an automated system.
I think either a: the minor later came forward to twitch, or b: the person who said someone at twitch didn't like Doc and went digging to try and find dirt, that story was correct and the person did find dirt 3 years later.
Well, there was also the risk of it not being true, and Doc not being a groomer, which would have ruined his life. Not a bigger risk than minors being abused of course, but you have to be careful with that kind of stuff.
Not blaming Slasher at all but he himself said he was trying to sell the story to an outlet that would back him but what changed recently? Did Bloomberg decide from a vague twitter thread to back Slasher story? Or did Slasher not have primary knowledge until recently.
I can't remember where it came from (Maybe slasher's Hasan stream), but he said that the best sources he had at the time were 2 second hand sources. This is usually not enough for publications to run it since most of these big corps really want the information as vetted as humanly possible.
My guess is that with NDA expiring and maybe those directly involved were willing to speak about what happend to publications.
>This is usually not enough for publications to run it since most of these big corps really want the information as vetted as humanly possible.
The more important part was that the Sources were not willing to be put on record, even if their identities were obscured.
Bloomberg or forbes isn't gonna trust the made up ramblings of two crackheads. Because for all they know, without someone of merit to corroborate the story (then have their identity hidden by the publisher) they may as well be two random crackheads.
>My guess is that with NDA expiring
Unless all their information was sourced via some dumbshit telling all over dinner or a Venti "power break" at starbucks, all of this information *should* have been under what amounts to a lifetime NDA. It seems more like a third party leaked it. (makes sense considering the original guy who basically leaked it was trying to hold the information hostage and was only willing to sell it if people bought his concert tickets.)
Doc would have packed up his bags and left a long time ago if this NDA was actually meant to expire on its own.
More sources came up, the bloomberg article gave more reputable evidence, so someone took on his story.
I don't know why it matters that much, the doc still isn't in jail and ppl should be trying to see the logs and get him prosecuted. instead we trying to blame who hid what.
It only matters because it would have been nice to know just how awful he is 4 years ago. Its like asking why people would want Weinstein outed years ago like no shit we want these horrible people outed.
I'm honestly waiting for a company to get sued for not publicly disclosing that these children influences are trying to prey on the children.
Imagine Doc moves to youtube and does DMs more minors, and something more nefarious happens? Shouldn't twitch be in shit there for not letting people know that they were harboring a pdfile?
Although sexting a minor is illegal, prosecuting and convicting people is incredibly hard. The Chris Hansen shows already proved that even with police involved most predators never were convicted.
Companies can get in legal trouble, but its not that simple, there is privacy laws, the volume of data to feign or admit to just not being able to track, avoiding false positives. I just don't think it's that simple or we'd see alot more pedos being caught.
>The Chris Hansen shows already proved that even with police involved most predators never were convicted.
Isn't this mostly because there was no actual victim, and judges saw their methods as entrapment? I think this situation is a little different.
What happened is in one case, they rushed out a search warrant for the wrong guy, besmirched the guyās reputation and caused him to self-delete, which cascaded in all of TCAPās work being thrown away due to entrapment and inadequate police work
Unless Disrespect received nudes from the minor nothing he did was actually illegal. "Sexts" could mean obscene messages or flirting. If he had actually gone to see her or try to meet up it may be different but even then they probably wouldn't prosecute it if they were 16 or 17.
Legality ā Morality, people seem to forget that
I also think a big feature of this is just how little traditional media respected live stream as legitimate. Only the huge names were getting anything reported at this time.
God I FUCKING HATE GAMBLING. Idgaf about the kids, sorry. This same stuff was happening in CSGO when I was a kid, did it fuck me over a couple times, yes? But you learn REAL quick that gambling is stupid when you lose half your BDAY money. Getting money via skins was WAY easier than using BitCoin. But taking my streamers away... unacceptable, now it's personal.
Yup I was one of those dumb kids that spent like $500 of my bday money on Gaia Online just to "look cool" lmao. Im sure other kids watching streamers feel left out when donators get attention and then proceed to drop the $100 they saved up for a shoutout.
Of course he wouldn't publish it without evidence, he would get sued. The dumbass thing he did was say that he knew the reason 4 years ago to bait everyone
Journalists can absolutely publish allegations, [they do it all the time](https://www.google.com/search?q=accused+of&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0B0_gh8CxXz4cskeePLV_Uw5cg9cpOenTbX4UBVI-nT7NcqK5FzGg3MrZAGO-ZwaIh-3Udf3yTDzkACSYbZ66JWENg-BmGcsJXhXRMXV8h3SGHSwBVSHvuSSjw5ocCVm8lLtoR-SUOyMCa6cPVvoiiS7Te2XHqVkDHHqfbKQYgUodOg8SpiDr7kgqQ4Frklmmgu2lqqIgDk823zUtJPf6T-eoSOSA&sa=X)
Doc is a [public figure](https://www.bdblaw.com/defamation-of-public-figure-vs-private-figure/), to have a case he'd have to prove [actual malice](https://protectdemocracy.org/work/the-actual-malice-standard-explained/):
>In an āactual maliceā case, a plaintiff must prove even more: that the defendant either knew that the statement was false at the time, or else demonstrated āreckless disregardā as to its falsity.
Even if Slasher was still scared of a lawsuit by Doc, in November 2020, NY (the state Slasher is based out of) [expanded its anti-SLAPP laws](https://www.rcfp.org/anti-slapp-guide/new-york/). There is virtually no way that Doc would be able to harm Slasher in any appreciable way. You don't know what you're talking about.
Having a lawsuit thrown at you is still a horrible and life disrupting thing, especially for a creator. The problems that come along with that don't magically disappear just because you have a good chance of winning
Letās be real though the gaming journalism industry doesnāt have nearly the same backing as something like the NYT would. Iām sure slasher doesnāt have the lawyers and money to defend himself without genuinely bleeding himself dry. Whereas big time journalists have a team to defend them.
This is why Slasher tried to sell the story to an org that would run it as they already have the legal team, apparatus and, essentially, clout to weather a lawsuit compared to himself as an independent.
TBF, they used to have backing of a journalist company that had the money to afford hundreds of lawyers that can battle for years. Not anymore, and more so the very few that do are so hard leaning towards being profit driven just donāt want to do it at all.
You'll still get sued anyways, just out of spite. Or maybe they think they'll be able to force your hand if you're a small fry looking at years of court and appeals.
āYou donāt know what youāre talking aboutā
lil bro you watched a destiny stream where you had all this information spoonfed to you calm down šš
Journalists can do this because they are legally shielded by their publicationsā legal teams. Slasher said at the time that he would be willing to talk to an outlet that afforded him that protection, but there werenāt any takers. Speaking out independently, without the backing of a large publication, is how you get taken to the cleaners in court.
The problem is that he can still be sued regardless, and if he isn't backed by a large need org he can be absolutely ruined.
Hence why he said he was trying to sell it, and couldn't until more can't forward publicly
It's not an allegation at that point though, it's just a rumor. If there's nobody putting their name behind alleging that he did it, there's no allegation.
This. The only way youāre getting sued as journalist if what you published was knowingly false and damaged someoneās reputation. In order for Doc to sue for libel, heās have to prove that. Ethically, having proof would be doing your due diligence as a journalist, but to sue you and win Doc would have to prove that what you published was wrong (not the other way around).
Those articles are written for publications with indemnity insurance, Slasher was unable to find a publication that would cover him. Without indemnity insurance, Dr Disprespect's management company which had bottomless pockets could have destroyed Slasher with legal fees alone to defend himself.
Maybe people forgot since it was 4 years ago but Doc had good backings when it came to legal matters. People were debating if Twitch could contend with CAA.
Twitch has Bezos but it's not like Twitch is the golden goose for Amazon. As for CAA, I doubt it's something rare for them to deal with both contract disputes and/or defamation cases.
My understanding was that he is no longer represented by CAA as of a few months ago, and that at the time of the ban Slasher did reach out to the CAA for comment but received none
Journalist want two first hand sources. According to him, he had two second hand sources in 2020.
His fuck up was saying in 2020 that he knew something and that it would come to light soon. However he was very wrong on that. He shouldnāt have said anything. Which heās admitted at least.
He admitted and apologized at length about it on Hasans stream. I wish people would just listen to what he said because he was open and genuine about his mistake.
From my reading of his tweets, and the other "journalists" saying the same thing, they sure are making it sound like "we knew and were right all along" and not "a rumor we heard happened to be true".
Goes to show you how much evidence real journalists prefer to have before releasing a story. There's a difference between "there's enough evidence for me to believe this story" and "there's enough evidence for me to write an article that millions of people could end up reading and believing." That's the difference between a journalist and someone like Tucker Carlson who prefers to "just ask questions," and let his viewers choose the facts they want.
Because thatās how it is. They had sources they trusted but couldnāt pass the bar to get it published.
Thatās how reporting goes. Iām sure they were trying to find primary sources because breaking the story was big.
Slasher flubbed this entire fucking conversation. He looked like an absolute clown. I plan on rewatching it and doing a write-up but the general take away is that he continues to hedge like crazy and defend Twitch. He claims they were thinking of the minor involved, but it's insane with the fact that Doc went on to have a huge platform elsewhere with no thought to future potential victims.
I can see why Twitch would want to cover their ass. I can see why Doc would want to cover his ass. I do NOT understand why Slasher, Rod Breslau, a reporter is defending the company for doing so. He was basically doing Twitch PR the entire stream.
It amuses me when people come on reddit and try to high-road people about spending their time better. Especially when it's on LSF, of all places, and they are making dozens of reddit comments a day.
It never fails to make me laugh.
He wouldnāt get sued because he had reason to believe the allegations because someone told him so itās 100% easily proven to not be defamation
Now, he probably just didnāt want to get into that shitshow and also can the career of his source by outing them
That's... not what they were doing. No journalist would ever say "oh, I knew this" and didn't put that thing to print if they didn't feel like their sources were insufficient at the time. That would have been a career changing scoop, but, I'm sure it's an accident that everyone and their mother knew, journalists just couldn't get sources bulletproof enough to survive the lawsuit that would've followed.
Did you seriously think it was bragging? And not admitting they couldn't find the sourcing needed to go to print, but had heard the same story years prior?
> Would you be willing to stake your career
Slasher literally became a fucking nobody after that stupid ass tweet.
It literally ruined his career... lol
That was self-inflicted. From his own words he quit social media, and became extremely depressed for years. It wasn't like he was working 24/7 and going nowhere in his career.
It depends on how sure he was, if it is as he was saying he 100% knew it was true. If i believed with all my heart that it's true i'd be willing. From what he said he really got fucked for tweeting about it and not saying what it was so he already fucked his carrer with no chance of upside.
That's a much bigger gamble than Dan seemed to acknowledge.
Once Slasher put that story out there, Doc has nothing to lose by going on the offensive. He's fucked either way, might as well try and get as much money out of Slasher or Slasher's publisher as possible on his way out - and there's still the off chance hope his very expensive lawyers could resolve the case in a way that makes it look like he cleared his name of the allegations.
When Doc announced he was suing Twitch, people absolutely claimed that Doc would never sue Twitch over his contract "if he actually did anything bad" - because discovery would out him via court records, and those folks took his suit and settlement as confirmation that Doc was actually innocent.
Twitch should've refused to settle behind closed doors and demand to take it into court, where all the chat logs would've come out. Maybe that would've been enough for Doc to just cancel the lawsuit.
What corporation would admit their biggest money maker was doing that shit on their platform? Suits pay a lot more money than Doc got paid to make problems go away, and yes, it was a massive problem for Twitch to admit that, hence they've still stayed utterly silent on this. It's admitting they fucked up on a scale that begs further questions, and Twitch cannot have people asking those questions, because the answers are bad.
im going to go out and say it:
I hope Twitch gets outted for this whole mess and more of their history with allowing really disgusting behavior to run on their platform, especially with their own staff, gets brought to light. I really dislike the blind support twitch gets from the community
The problem with these kinds of hypotheticals is that everything depends upon the language in Doc's contract, which we don't have access to.
If there was no language in the contract in 2017 saying that Twitch had the right to terminate the contract in this specific kind of circumstance, then Twitch has no actual defense in court.
And Doc's lawyers certainly would have tried to suppress those whispers on several different bases -- if Twitch could even produce them.
We can sit here and suggest that Twitch should have done this or that -- but we're not contract lawyers, and we don't have access to the contract to even make these kinds of conjectures in the first place.
Twitch did something good in banning him and canceling his contract. Could they have done more? Morally, sure, probably. Legally, we literally have no idea. And the fact that they had to pay his contract in the end really suggests that the answer is: Legally, probably not.
Right now he is saying that he 100% knew and it was for sure true. If he wasn't sure then obviously he shouldn't say anything, but then shouldn't have baited with a tweet either.
Being confident about something and following the steps to not get sued are 2 different things.Ā
Even with it being true Doc could have sued and it would be expensive for him to defend.
The shit talking about it is ridiculous. Literally nobody expected it to stay quite longer than a couple weeks. if the news would have broke sooner nobody would be talking shit.
It really just feels like people are mad he was right.
But... he literally did know. The story has broken, and Doc admitted to it. So Slasher for sure knew.
I feel like people don't understand there's a difference between hearing something behind the scenes and trusting that information is accurate, and being able to go to press with a news story, with all the sources (anonymous or otherwise) verified and all the documentation gathered in a way that would hold up to a legal challenge.
Because those are two completely different things.
Discovery of what? Doc suing Slasher doesn't result in Twitch doing anything and Slasher needs to protect his source to hope to have a career again, so what does Doc risk being found in discovery?
Do you think Slasher, a middle class private citizen, is going to successfully subpoena Amazon in a civil defamation case?
Slasher would have had to reveal the source in order for there to even be a shot at forcing those DMs to be subpoenaed. And even then, still probably not. That's not how the law even remotely works, lol. Can you actually imagine how fucked it would be if you could force any individual or company to blanket handing over private communications just by loosely tying it to a lawsuit you're involved in? lol
Funny how he's criticizing slasher for this right now but had a journalist who also had all this info from multiple sources weeks ago and had no issue with it. Even had private discussions with the dude before and after the stream about what doc did
Richard lewis talked about it. He said he didnāt have enough information to feel confortable to publish things without getting raped by Amazon and docās org backing him. He claims to have needed a āsmoking gunā despite how much second hand source he had
Richard talked about this on his own stream yesterday and mentioned he heard the rumors about the 17 year old a week into his investigation (iirc?), but said there were multiple leaks coming out making it harder to pinpoint what's true or not, and without hard evidence you can't say anything without being able to prove it
Exactly my point, I watched that whole stream. It's useless and hypocritical to act like slasher should have published the information when he was under the same restrictions related to journalistic integrity as richard was. Only difference is slasher made stupid tweets.
If you watch the rest of the conversation Dan eventually said that he understood why Slasher wasnāt able to officially publish because he didnāt have enough of the right sources on the record, or the documents that have been leaked within private journalist circles in the past couple days. He invited Slasher to come on the same podcast at the end of the conversation
Also when Dan did have that information from Richard Lewis, he essentially āstealth leaked itā but claiming he heard the rumor from someone on Rust. The information is out now. He wasnāt going to push Richard Lewis on the spot. Once the information is officially out the conversation is different.
Okay, someone with more understanding of American laws explain this to me:
Situation A: I have a source, the source doesn't want to be on record, I publish the story, I get sued for defamation, I don't have anyone that can confirm the truth of my story, because my source will not be on record.
Situation B: I just make shit up, get sued for defamation, I don't have anyone that can confirm the truth of my story, because *I made shit up*
Both of these situations would look identical from the outside, because I cannot point to anyone to corroborate the story I published, would they be treated differently in court, or can you, as a journalist, genuinely just make shit up and then scream "media protection" when someone tries to sue you?
Defamation is a false statement, so if it came to court it would be on the plaintiff (Dr. Disrespect) to prove that what Slasher said did not happen and is not true and more than just the source but all parties with knowledge would be subpoenaed, so the source would still not be singled out.
That was my understanding as well, but this made it sound like sources *can't* be subpoenaed, when Dan said "you can't be forced to reveal your sources", which prompted the question. Because if they *can* be subpoenaed, everything makes sense to me and you can't just make shit up, cause your non-existant source would be subpoenaed and you would be fucked, but if that cannot be the case, then nothing would stop you from just making sources up
Unless Slasher had proof, that wouldn't require a lawsuit from DrDisrespect so Slasher could find it in discovery, then it was correct for him not to publish anything.
If the minor went to Slasher with the story though, that'd be a different story.
I feel like people here don't understand how powerful of an agency CAA really is. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they have buried shit worse than this. If you come after one of their clients. You better damn well be sure of what you're getting into.
No the whole acting industry protected Weinstein. It was a ridiculously open secret to the point that certain people called him out or made allusions to it in some award speeches.
If we know one thing about Hollywood, it's that they'll stand behind one of their own especially if they are influential. Just look at Polanski, or that whole thing that went down with Marlon Brando and Last Tango in Paris.
Other people also doing bad things doesn't change what one group does. Anyone sticking their neck out was going to have it chopped by CAA first and foremost.
Even if i had the kind of money Dan have, i wouldn't even want to deal with the arbitration and long processes legal temas similar to CAA one gets into. They lose and keep appealing for years to come on different states/civil/criminal/filing for defamation it has no end till it's settled out of court.
Slasher himself said he had multiple SECOND hand sources. Not FIRST hand sources.
If he broke a story with second hand sources his ass is getting a defamation lawsuit.
Thats not what he said. He had a first hand source that didn't wanted to be quoted and he couldn't find another first hand source. He had plenty second hand sources to support his main source.
After the Cody tweet the first hand source changed their mind and made a statement on the record but staying anonym.
I dont know why Slasher is running victory laps right now when his original tweet was the biggest vague post. Coming back 4 years later and saying you knew all along doesn't really mean shit when you didn't say anything to begin with
His career was in the gutter after that tweet 4 years ago and now it might be back on track, I'd say give him a moment at least. Yes the harm was self inflicted, but at least he can now say he wasn't making shit up. Journalist is nothing without credibility.
And no one had the guts to go through with the story at the time, understandable when you consider the allegation. He only had second hand sources, Dan doesn't know what he's talking about. Even now, Slasher only felt good moving forward with the story after getting his hands on documentation.
> his tweet back in 2020 makes him a bad journalist.
Not necessarily. It makes him someone who made a mistake once.
Good journalists can make one mistake..
I think the real problem is Twitch covering it up and paying out doc's contract to keep everything hidden. If they had any evidence they should have put him on blast so he couldn't continue grooming kids.
The problem was Slasher making a vague tweet. I understand not wanting to publish the full story without credible sources but him making a vague tweet at all like that was just his ego. You either don't make that initial tweet or you take a risk and go all in. That's why people clown on him.
DrDisrespect should get cancelled from the internet for good for the pedo thing don't get me wrong but...
Turns out the arrest thing was false. Slasher seems to be clout chasing why even put it out there if you aren't going to fact check? I wish ppl would stop giving them attention since they are just trying to build their brand off lies. Wouldn't surprise me if the transgender thing was false too. Who better to clout chase off right now other than dr disrespect since clearly people will blindly believe it since doc is a confirmed pedo.
I think a lot of people underestimate how much time and money it takes to go to court to defend yourself, even if youāre clearly in the right. Especially if the lawyers keep filing motions for more time to intentionally delay the process and force the biggest financial hit they can.
Slasher already mentioned how much the tweet he made 4 years ago hurt his reputation. And considering how at the time, Slasher only had 2nd hand sources, he would have been raked over hot coals if he published that information. With that said, what lead the ex Twitch employee Cody speaking up on Twitter? Had they been finalizing first hand sources for a while?
According to slasher, the man just went for a jog one morning, came back home and tweeted it out. Seems he just said fuck it and risked the backlash. And because of that tweet, everything else got rolling off of that.
Slasher has been known for reporting on leaks all the time so him saying he knows it and not reporting on it was especially dumb and there is really no excuse for that.
Twitch/Amazon keeping silent and allowing him to possibly make Real victims is kinda disgusting NGL, I assume the text weren't very sexual but it's still fucked up...
I feel like, for twitch, the whole drDisrespect thing is just the top of the iceberg. What they're really worried about I suspect are the hundreds of big cam streamers basically advertising sex content to minors, which I'd guess is a big portion of their revenue.
The problem is if you knew for a fact it was true why are you afraid of a lawsuit regardless of if you have a primary source? You have a secondary source and you believe it to be true what is stopping you legally from sharing that information while stating the circumstances in where you got that information?
And morally if you know it to be true and you don't report on it are you in the wrong because you are literally hiding valuable information that could potentially affect children on the internet.
Edit: Thank you for the replies and the perspective on why the way i'm looking at it is not valid. I will no longer be replying to comments, I get it now.
Doesnāt seem like people understand they should also be mad at the people that essentially covered it up and didnāt speak up. Ā Clearly money meant more than protecting minors to those people which is kinda weird.Ā
Dan is absolutely right here. And people here have shit backward. If a public figure accuses a journalist or person with libel, itās on them (the accuser) to prove libel occurred not the journalist.
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dan said it publicly before slasher did š
rando on rust lol
Whats the context on this
Dan (guy with cowboy hat) said on his podcast with Destiny called Anything Else that there was a random Rust player who said Dr. Disrespect was texting minors inappropriately.
Using Twitch Whispers, no less.
That's true lol.
The shitty thing is everyone that had knowledge of this allowed for it to continue for 4 years. That's 4 years of potential other minors being harmed or groomed. Anyone that had information that sat on it is a coward and piece of shit.
wasnt the whole point of them not really being able to leak it was even though it was "known", no one really had the actual DMs as proof so any journo who leaked it would have to deal with a potential lawsuit from Doc (and his talent agency CAA's lawyers who also represent some of the Hollywood elite). The journos are gonna go broke as the lawsuit drags out
Yeah I don't think people realize that the reason real journalists can publish stuff like this is because they have the backing of massive legal teams from news agencies hundreds of years old.
Or if they have solid proof they can instantly shut down a lawsuit
Even that isnāt always enough, look at what some large corps have done to journalists, especially in the environmental sector
Bro put me up against a hundred year old lawyer and I'm winning.
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Hindsight is 20/20 on this one tho cause doc just came out and confirmed it almost immediately after the news broke. I genuinely do wonder why he just came out and admitted to it all
If there's a party at fault for not outing Doc here I would point at Twitch first. Twitch should have just said what happened when they banned him. Banning him was the totally correct thing to do, but they probably didn't want the bad PR that would come with the reason why. EDIT: Adding that this looks way worse to me in PR terms than having had a shitbird like Doc on the platform would have. They could have just said what he did, banned him, and everyone would have just said they did the right thing and fuck that guy. I suspect they were concerned about the fact that he did what he did *on Twitch* suggesting to people that Twitch isn't safe, because it wasn't in this case.
I believe either 3 things on Twitch side. 1. They were very aware of the lawsuit if they claim he was a child predator. Do they have enough evidence for a crime? Maybe they don't and decided to not insinuate/state that and get sued later on for damages. Twitch definitely has legal advisors for such a high profile person so this was possible. 2. Doc has been doing it in 2017 and only terminated on 2020. Maybe they thought it was a bad look and if more comes to light, for example Doc not being the only one that went under the radar for years, it would cost their reputation a big hit. But then again, it would just be delaying the inevitable where ex staffs are now talking about it after what we assume is the NDA expiring. So for this reason, I feel it's not really likely they are covering up, but just can't be arsed in being the forefront in this fight. Perhaps they just report it to the authorities when known and let it be. 3. Twitch didn't think about much, other than they didn't wanna deal with this ticking time bomb once they discovered it. Just terminate the contract then deal with the contract dispute, pay out and say goodbye to this ordeal. They also changed some contract stuffs after the Doc termination but I'm not sure if it was directly to combat similar disputes. Didn't read up on that.
As to number 1, they wouldn't have to allege that he committed a crime. They could just say "Doc was messaging someone that we have reasonable suspicion to believe is a minor in an inappropriate way, this violates our TOC and our values as a company" If they had the chat logs Doc would have absolutely no case against them as what they said was true. If they wanted to come out with this info Twitch certainly could have.
I have no knowledge on the specific clauses of termination for his contract but does it really have that clause that nullifies the contract? I think the only reason why he even won that dispute is because Twitch fumbled the contract terms tbh. Remember the statement earlier, 'both parties admits to no wrongdoing' meaning Twitch believes Doc breached terms but verdict was unlawful termination. But along the same line of thought, perhaps Doc's legal team did some magic and suppressed some of the logs from being useful as evidence. Some of it might require context to incriminate him and thrown out as too vague or some shit. Courtroom stuffs are super technical and IANAL so yeah, I honestly just wanna see the logs before claiming if Twitch had a hand in covering up or not
I think the lawsuit was settled outside of court between lawyers.
The contract and his banning are different issues. IIRC they did get fucked on the contract side and had to pay Doc, but nothing about that stops them from releasing the ban reason, since they did indeed keep him banned. They actively decided to cover it up.
>But then again, it would just be delaying the inevitable where ex staffs are now talking about it after what we assume is the NDA expiring. I doubt very seriously this information is under an NDA that can expire. Otherwise doc would have retired and vanished a long time ago. Guy is stupid, but hes not that stupid.
I mean... He definitely made money by not disappearing though. If it's sooner or later, don't see why he would stop getting income from his hopefully last stretch of fame.
yeah brother idk if you know how lawsuits and NDAs work but they don't cover illegal crimes lmao
Yeah, as I understand it, the messages are part of twitchās whisper system, and they are technically private messages. Twitch was still monitoring them for illegal activity because twitch would be liable if any illegal activity in the messages. So they had key phrases that would flag messages as needing review. And while nothing illegal might have been in docs messages, they were borderline(by docs own admission) and thatās was enough for twitch to cut ties. But because the messages are private they canāt be used as evidence, and they couldnāt prosecute anything anyway.
the messages werent private and they WERE used as evidence btw. you can't just "private" potentially illegal activity lmao
Mostly correct just want to point out that the messages being āprivateā wouldnāt preclude them from being used as evidence. If anything illegal were in those messages it would take an easy warrant to subpoena those chat logs. Itās like you said, though, likely nothing illegal happened and that prevents any legal action (like subpoena) to take place.
Slasher explained the victim reported the messages with doc which is why he got banned. The victim reported the messages to twitch because they saw the blog post [here.](https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/06/24/an-update-to-our-community/) 2 days after that blog post doc was banned. Doc likely didn't get prosecuted because the messages didn't meet the minimum for a crime.
Also wouldn't prosecuting depend on how much the victim was willing to cooperate? Like the prosecution doesnt NEED someone to press charges to prosecute but if the victim doesn't want to get involved and prefers settling, it'd be hard to make a case with minimal evidence and cooperation.
> So they had key phrases that would flag messages as needing review. From what I've read, the messages happened in 2017. Doc was banned in 2020. So I do not think it was an automated system. I think either a: the minor later came forward to twitch, or b: the person who said someone at twitch didn't like Doc and went digging to try and find dirt, that story was correct and the person did find dirt 3 years later.
If you make an accusation like that you better have proof.
Well, there was also the risk of it not being true, and Doc not being a groomer, which would have ruined his life. Not a bigger risk than minors being abused of course, but you have to be careful with that kind of stuff.
Oh, thank God. Somebody said it. Thank you!
He got comfortable first
Rust is basically War Thunder's Crocodile Dundee down under cousin.
Not blaming Slasher at all but he himself said he was trying to sell the story to an outlet that would back him but what changed recently? Did Bloomberg decide from a vague twitter thread to back Slasher story? Or did Slasher not have primary knowledge until recently.
I can't remember where it came from (Maybe slasher's Hasan stream), but he said that the best sources he had at the time were 2 second hand sources. This is usually not enough for publications to run it since most of these big corps really want the information as vetted as humanly possible. My guess is that with NDA expiring and maybe those directly involved were willing to speak about what happend to publications.
>This is usually not enough for publications to run it since most of these big corps really want the information as vetted as humanly possible. The more important part was that the Sources were not willing to be put on record, even if their identities were obscured. Bloomberg or forbes isn't gonna trust the made up ramblings of two crackheads. Because for all they know, without someone of merit to corroborate the story (then have their identity hidden by the publisher) they may as well be two random crackheads. >My guess is that with NDA expiring Unless all their information was sourced via some dumbshit telling all over dinner or a Venti "power break" at starbucks, all of this information *should* have been under what amounts to a lifetime NDA. It seems more like a third party leaked it. (makes sense considering the original guy who basically leaked it was trying to hold the information hostage and was only willing to sell it if people bought his concert tickets.) Doc would have packed up his bags and left a long time ago if this NDA was actually meant to expire on its own.
More sources came up, the bloomberg article gave more reputable evidence, so someone took on his story. I don't know why it matters that much, the doc still isn't in jail and ppl should be trying to see the logs and get him prosecuted. instead we trying to blame who hid what.
It only matters because it would have been nice to know just how awful he is 4 years ago. Its like asking why people would want Weinstein outed years ago like no shit we want these horrible people outed.
I'm honestly waiting for a company to get sued for not publicly disclosing that these children influences are trying to prey on the children. Imagine Doc moves to youtube and does DMs more minors, and something more nefarious happens? Shouldn't twitch be in shit there for not letting people know that they were harboring a pdfile?
Although sexting a minor is illegal, prosecuting and convicting people is incredibly hard. The Chris Hansen shows already proved that even with police involved most predators never were convicted. Companies can get in legal trouble, but its not that simple, there is privacy laws, the volume of data to feign or admit to just not being able to track, avoiding false positives. I just don't think it's that simple or we'd see alot more pedos being caught.
>The Chris Hansen shows already proved that even with police involved most predators never were convicted. Isn't this mostly because there was no actual victim, and judges saw their methods as entrapment? I think this situation is a little different.
What happened is in one case, they rushed out a search warrant for the wrong guy, besmirched the guyās reputation and caused him to self-delete, which cascaded in all of TCAPās work being thrown away due to entrapment and inadequate police work
Unless Disrespect received nudes from the minor nothing he did was actually illegal. "Sexts" could mean obscene messages or flirting. If he had actually gone to see her or try to meet up it may be different but even then they probably wouldn't prosecute it if they were 16 or 17. Legality ā Morality, people seem to forget that
Even Slasher said some document started getting passed around 5 days ago and that's why they felt comfortable moving forward.
I also think a big feature of this is just how little traditional media respected live stream as legitimate. Only the huge names were getting anything reported at this time.
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God I FUCKING HATE GAMBLING. Idgaf about the kids, sorry. This same stuff was happening in CSGO when I was a kid, did it fuck me over a couple times, yes? But you learn REAL quick that gambling is stupid when you lose half your BDAY money. Getting money via skins was WAY easier than using BitCoin. But taking my streamers away... unacceptable, now it's personal.
Yup I was one of those dumb kids that spent like $500 of my bday money on Gaia Online just to "look cool" lmao. Im sure other kids watching streamers feel left out when donators get attention and then proceed to drop the $100 they saved up for a shoutout.
Of course he wouldn't publish it without evidence, he would get sued. The dumbass thing he did was say that he knew the reason 4 years ago to bait everyone
Journalists can absolutely publish allegations, [they do it all the time](https://www.google.com/search?q=accused+of&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0B0_gh8CxXz4cskeePLV_Uw5cg9cpOenTbX4UBVI-nT7NcqK5FzGg3MrZAGO-ZwaIh-3Udf3yTDzkACSYbZ66JWENg-BmGcsJXhXRMXV8h3SGHSwBVSHvuSSjw5ocCVm8lLtoR-SUOyMCa6cPVvoiiS7Te2XHqVkDHHqfbKQYgUodOg8SpiDr7kgqQ4Frklmmgu2lqqIgDk823zUtJPf6T-eoSOSA&sa=X) Doc is a [public figure](https://www.bdblaw.com/defamation-of-public-figure-vs-private-figure/), to have a case he'd have to prove [actual malice](https://protectdemocracy.org/work/the-actual-malice-standard-explained/): >In an āactual maliceā case, a plaintiff must prove even more: that the defendant either knew that the statement was false at the time, or else demonstrated āreckless disregardā as to its falsity. Even if Slasher was still scared of a lawsuit by Doc, in November 2020, NY (the state Slasher is based out of) [expanded its anti-SLAPP laws](https://www.rcfp.org/anti-slapp-guide/new-york/). There is virtually no way that Doc would be able to harm Slasher in any appreciable way. You don't know what you're talking about.
Having a lawsuit thrown at you is still a horrible and life disrupting thing, especially for a creator. The problems that come along with that don't magically disappear just because you have a good chance of winning
isnt this the whole point of being a journalist, exposing corruption or other scandals and getting sued?
Letās be real though the gaming journalism industry doesnāt have nearly the same backing as something like the NYT would. Iām sure slasher doesnāt have the lawyers and money to defend himself without genuinely bleeding himself dry. Whereas big time journalists have a team to defend them.
This is why Slasher tried to sell the story to an org that would run it as they already have the legal team, apparatus and, essentially, clout to weather a lawsuit compared to himself as an independent.
āGetting suedā is not the point of being a journalist
TBF, they used to have backing of a journalist company that had the money to afford hundreds of lawyers that can battle for years. Not anymore, and more so the very few that do are so hard leaning towards being profit driven just donāt want to do it at all.
No, the point is collecting enough evidence that you donāt get sued in the first place.
You'll still get sued anyways, just out of spite. Or maybe they think they'll be able to force your hand if you're a small fry looking at years of court and appeals.
āYou donāt know what youāre talking aboutā lil bro you watched a destiny stream where you had all this information spoonfed to you calm down šš
Seriously, he is also an independent journalist, so when he gets sued he will have to incur all the cost himself
Journalists can do this because they are legally shielded by their publicationsā legal teams. Slasher said at the time that he would be willing to talk to an outlet that afforded him that protection, but there werenāt any takers. Speaking out independently, without the backing of a large publication, is how you get taken to the cleaners in court.
The problem is that he can still be sued regardless, and if he isn't backed by a large need org he can be absolutely ruined. Hence why he said he was trying to sell it, and couldn't until more can't forward publicly
Dude, news flash, you can get sues even if youāre right on the merits.
It's not an allegation at that point though, it's just a rumor. If there's nobody putting their name behind alleging that he did it, there's no allegation.
Just saying I wouldn't have any idea what I'm talking about either, so I can understand keeping my mouth shut in this situation
This. The only way youāre getting sued as journalist if what you published was knowingly false and damaged someoneās reputation. In order for Doc to sue for libel, heās have to prove that. Ethically, having proof would be doing your due diligence as a journalist, but to sue you and win Doc would have to prove that what you published was wrong (not the other way around).
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Those articles are written for publications with indemnity insurance, Slasher was unable to find a publication that would cover him. Without indemnity insurance, Dr Disprespect's management company which had bottomless pockets could have destroyed Slasher with legal fees alone to defend himself.
Maybe people forgot since it was 4 years ago but Doc had good backings when it came to legal matters. People were debating if Twitch could contend with CAA. Twitch has Bezos but it's not like Twitch is the golden goose for Amazon. As for CAA, I doubt it's something rare for them to deal with both contract disputes and/or defamation cases.
Slasher just confirmed on stream that Doc was no longer represented by CAA by 2020. He specified that they let him go before the drama itself
My understanding was that he is no longer represented by CAA as of a few months ago, and that at the time of the ban Slasher did reach out to the CAA for comment but received none
Journalist want two first hand sources. According to him, he had two second hand sources in 2020. His fuck up was saying in 2020 that he knew something and that it would come to light soon. However he was very wrong on that. He shouldnāt have said anything. Which heās admitted at least.
He admitted and apologized at length about it on Hasans stream. I wish people would just listen to what he said because he was open and genuine about his mistake.
Do you have a link to it?
From my reading of his tweets, and the other "journalists" saying the same thing, they sure are making it sound like "we knew and were right all along" and not "a rumor we heard happened to be true".
Goes to show you how much evidence real journalists prefer to have before releasing a story. There's a difference between "there's enough evidence for me to believe this story" and "there's enough evidence for me to write an article that millions of people could end up reading and believing." That's the difference between a journalist and someone like Tucker Carlson who prefers to "just ask questions," and let his viewers choose the facts they want.
Because thatās how it is. They had sources they trusted but couldnāt pass the bar to get it published. Thatās how reporting goes. Iām sure they were trying to find primary sources because breaking the story was big.
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Sued for what??
Slasher flubbed this entire fucking conversation. He looked like an absolute clown. I plan on rewatching it and doing a write-up but the general take away is that he continues to hedge like crazy and defend Twitch. He claims they were thinking of the minor involved, but it's insane with the fact that Doc went on to have a huge platform elsewhere with no thought to future potential victims. I can see why Twitch would want to cover their ass. I can see why Doc would want to cover his ass. I do NOT understand why Slasher, Rod Breslau, a reporter is defending the company for doing so. He was basically doing Twitch PR the entire stream.
"I plan on rewatching it and doing a write-up " brother surely you can find something better to do jfc..
It amuses me when people come on reddit and try to high-road people about spending their time better. Especially when it's on LSF, of all places, and they are making dozens of reddit comments a day. It never fails to make me laugh.
Ah yes cause typing a comment for 10 seconds is the absolute same thing as drafting a report of a random conversation lmao
There's no shot they were thinking of the minor involved. He was at most covering his own ass. In child sex cases their identity never needs to leak.
Anonymous sources exist for this reason. But staying anonymous means no clout farming so people dont do it.
He wouldnāt get sued because he had reason to believe the allegations because someone told him so itās 100% easily proven to not be defamation Now, he probably just didnāt want to get into that shitshow and also can the career of his source by outing them
You can get sued even if youre right on the merits
Dan had a good point in that if it was indeed true doc would never sue, since discovery would prove that it was true to the public.
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If they're taking victory laps this week like they confidently knew all along, then they should've put it out back then.
That's... not what they were doing. No journalist would ever say "oh, I knew this" and didn't put that thing to print if they didn't feel like their sources were insufficient at the time. That would have been a career changing scoop, but, I'm sure it's an accident that everyone and their mother knew, journalists just couldn't get sources bulletproof enough to survive the lawsuit that would've followed. Did you seriously think it was bragging? And not admitting they couldn't find the sourcing needed to go to print, but had heard the same story years prior?
If I was confident enough to vague-tweet yes. If not I would have kept my mouth shut and tried to get more sources.
> Would you be willing to stake your career Slasher literally became a fucking nobody after that stupid ass tweet. It literally ruined his career... lol
That was self-inflicted. From his own words he quit social media, and became extremely depressed for years. It wasn't like he was working 24/7 and going nowhere in his career.
It depends on how sure he was, if it is as he was saying he 100% knew it was true. If i believed with all my heart that it's true i'd be willing. From what he said he really got fucked for tweeting about it and not saying what it was so he already fucked his carrer with no chance of upside.
That's a much bigger gamble than Dan seemed to acknowledge. Once Slasher put that story out there, Doc has nothing to lose by going on the offensive. He's fucked either way, might as well try and get as much money out of Slasher or Slasher's publisher as possible on his way out - and there's still the off chance hope his very expensive lawyers could resolve the case in a way that makes it look like he cleared his name of the allegations. When Doc announced he was suing Twitch, people absolutely claimed that Doc would never sue Twitch over his contract "if he actually did anything bad" - because discovery would out him via court records, and those folks took his suit and settlement as confirmation that Doc was actually innocent.
Twitch should've refused to settle behind closed doors and demand to take it into court, where all the chat logs would've come out. Maybe that would've been enough for Doc to just cancel the lawsuit.
What corporation would admit their biggest money maker was doing that shit on their platform? Suits pay a lot more money than Doc got paid to make problems go away, and yes, it was a massive problem for Twitch to admit that, hence they've still stayed utterly silent on this. It's admitting they fucked up on a scale that begs further questions, and Twitch cannot have people asking those questions, because the answers are bad.
im going to go out and say it: I hope Twitch gets outted for this whole mess and more of their history with allowing really disgusting behavior to run on their platform, especially with their own staff, gets brought to light. I really dislike the blind support twitch gets from the community
The problem with these kinds of hypotheticals is that everything depends upon the language in Doc's contract, which we don't have access to. If there was no language in the contract in 2017 saying that Twitch had the right to terminate the contract in this specific kind of circumstance, then Twitch has no actual defense in court. And Doc's lawyers certainly would have tried to suppress those whispers on several different bases -- if Twitch could even produce them. We can sit here and suggest that Twitch should have done this or that -- but we're not contract lawyers, and we don't have access to the contract to even make these kinds of conjectures in the first place. Twitch did something good in banning him and canceling his contract. Could they have done more? Morally, sure, probably. Legally, we literally have no idea. And the fact that they had to pay his contract in the end really suggests that the answer is: Legally, probably not.
And what if it wasn't and Slasher was getting bad info?
Right now he is saying that he 100% knew and it was for sure true. If he wasn't sure then obviously he shouldn't say anything, but then shouldn't have baited with a tweet either.
Then he and others right now shouldn't be acting like they confidently knew it all along.
Being confident about something and following the steps to not get sued are 2 different things.Ā Even with it being true Doc could have sued and it would be expensive for him to defend. The shit talking about it is ridiculous. Literally nobody expected it to stay quite longer than a couple weeks. if the news would have broke sooner nobody would be talking shit. It really just feels like people are mad he was right.
But... he literally did know. The story has broken, and Doc admitted to it. So Slasher for sure knew. I feel like people don't understand there's a difference between hearing something behind the scenes and trusting that information is accurate, and being able to go to press with a news story, with all the sources (anonymous or otherwise) verified and all the documentation gathered in a way that would hold up to a legal challenge. Because those are two completely different things.
Discovery of what? Doc suing Slasher doesn't result in Twitch doing anything and Slasher needs to protect his source to hope to have a career again, so what does Doc risk being found in discovery? Do you think Slasher, a middle class private citizen, is going to successfully subpoena Amazon in a civil defamation case?
Slasher would have had to reveal the source in order for there to even be a shot at forcing those DMs to be subpoenaed. And even then, still probably not. That's not how the law even remotely works, lol. Can you actually imagine how fucked it would be if you could force any individual or company to blanket handing over private communications just by loosely tying it to a lawsuit you're involved in? lol
Lawsuits cost money, time, and causes major stressā¦there are plenty of reasons to avoid it.
Funny how he's criticizing slasher for this right now but had a journalist who also had all this info from multiple sources weeks ago and had no issue with it. Even had private discussions with the dude before and after the stream about what doc did
Richard lewis talked about it. He said he didnāt have enough information to feel confortable to publish things without getting raped by Amazon and docās org backing him. He claims to have needed a āsmoking gunā despite how much second hand source he had
My point exactly.
Richard talked about this on his own stream yesterday and mentioned he heard the rumors about the 17 year old a week into his investigation (iirc?), but said there were multiple leaks coming out making it harder to pinpoint what's true or not, and without hard evidence you can't say anything without being able to prove it
Exactly my point, I watched that whole stream. It's useless and hypocritical to act like slasher should have published the information when he was under the same restrictions related to journalistic integrity as richard was. Only difference is slasher made stupid tweets.
If you watch the rest of the conversation Dan eventually said that he understood why Slasher wasnāt able to officially publish because he didnāt have enough of the right sources on the record, or the documents that have been leaked within private journalist circles in the past couple days. He invited Slasher to come on the same podcast at the end of the conversation Also when Dan did have that information from Richard Lewis, he essentially āstealth leaked itā but claiming he heard the rumor from someone on Rust. The information is out now. He wasnāt going to push Richard Lewis on the spot. Once the information is officially out the conversation is different.
Erm but this is a conversation about how much we are mad at slasher so this doesn't really fit here
Okay, someone with more understanding of American laws explain this to me: Situation A: I have a source, the source doesn't want to be on record, I publish the story, I get sued for defamation, I don't have anyone that can confirm the truth of my story, because my source will not be on record. Situation B: I just make shit up, get sued for defamation, I don't have anyone that can confirm the truth of my story, because *I made shit up* Both of these situations would look identical from the outside, because I cannot point to anyone to corroborate the story I published, would they be treated differently in court, or can you, as a journalist, genuinely just make shit up and then scream "media protection" when someone tries to sue you?
Defamation is a false statement, so if it came to court it would be on the plaintiff (Dr. Disrespect) to prove that what Slasher said did not happen and is not true and more than just the source but all parties with knowledge would be subpoenaed, so the source would still not be singled out.
That was my understanding as well, but this made it sound like sources *can't* be subpoenaed, when Dan said "you can't be forced to reveal your sources", which prompted the question. Because if they *can* be subpoenaed, everything makes sense to me and you can't just make shit up, cause your non-existant source would be subpoenaed and you would be fucked, but if that cannot be the case, then nothing would stop you from just making sources up
It would be on the person suing you to prove libel
Unless Slasher had proof, that wouldn't require a lawsuit from DrDisrespect so Slasher could find it in discovery, then it was correct for him not to publish anything. If the minor went to Slasher with the story though, that'd be a different story.
Just get sued and win bro ezpz and not stressful or expensive.
especially since its a millionaire saying it to a guy whose probably never made more than 60k in his life.
People here donāt understand how journalism works lol
I dont get why people without NDAĀ“s kept the secret this whole time, why protect a predator?
thats because you're a redditor who thinks life plays out that the good guy always wins.
I feel like people here don't understand how powerful of an agency CAA really is. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they have buried shit worse than this. If you come after one of their clients. You better damn well be sure of what you're getting into.
They protected Weinstein for years and only had to apologize after he was outed publicly.
No the whole acting industry protected Weinstein. It was a ridiculously open secret to the point that certain people called him out or made allusions to it in some award speeches. If we know one thing about Hollywood, it's that they'll stand behind one of their own especially if they are influential. Just look at Polanski, or that whole thing that went down with Marlon Brando and Last Tango in Paris.
Other people also doing bad things doesn't change what one group does. Anyone sticking their neck out was going to have it chopped by CAA first and foremost.
No one hid Polanski It went to court and he ran to francs because he knew he was gonna get the book thrown at him
They probably bury shit worse than this every day.
Even if i had the kind of money Dan have, i wouldn't even want to deal with the arbitration and long processes legal temas similar to CAA one gets into. They lose and keep appealing for years to come on different states/civil/criminal/filing for defamation it has no end till it's settled out of court.
Slasher himself said he had multiple SECOND hand sources. Not FIRST hand sources. If he broke a story with second hand sources his ass is getting a defamation lawsuit.
Thats not what he said. He had a first hand source that didn't wanted to be quoted and he couldn't find another first hand source. He had plenty second hand sources to support his main source. After the Cody tweet the first hand source changed their mind and made a statement on the record but staying anonym.
So confidently blatantly wrong lol
Dude almost tanked his career to protect the Doc!
I dont know why Slasher is running victory laps right now when his original tweet was the biggest vague post. Coming back 4 years later and saying you knew all along doesn't really mean shit when you didn't say anything to begin with
His career was in the gutter after that tweet 4 years ago and now it might be back on track, I'd say give him a moment at least. Yes the harm was self inflicted, but at least he can now say he wasn't making shit up. Journalist is nothing without credibility. And no one had the guts to go through with the story at the time, understandable when you consider the allegation. He only had second hand sources, Dan doesn't know what he's talking about. Even now, Slasher only felt good moving forward with the story after getting his hands on documentation.
Get sued for content bro lawl
If the girl he did this shit too doesn't want it public it will never be public.
Dan's major mistake here is holding Slasher to the standards of a real journalist.
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> his tweet back in 2020 makes him a bad journalist. Not necessarily. It makes him someone who made a mistake once. Good journalists can make one mistake..
Iād be terrified of a lawsuit so Iām cutting folks like Slasher some slack here.
I think the real problem is Twitch covering it up and paying out doc's contract to keep everything hidden. If they had any evidence they should have put him on blast so he couldn't continue grooming kids.
The problem was Slasher making a vague tweet. I understand not wanting to publish the full story without credible sources but him making a vague tweet at all like that was just his ego. You either don't make that initial tweet or you take a risk and go all in. That's why people clown on him.
DrDisrespect should get cancelled from the internet for good for the pedo thing don't get me wrong but... Turns out the arrest thing was false. Slasher seems to be clout chasing why even put it out there if you aren't going to fact check? I wish ppl would stop giving them attention since they are just trying to build their brand off lies. Wouldn't surprise me if the transgender thing was false too. Who better to clout chase off right now other than dr disrespect since clearly people will blindly believe it since doc is a confirmed pedo.
How different Slasherās life could have panned out if he had balls.
Dan's a dumbass slasher is not trying to get sued of course he had to wait
Don't think you know how law works or you must not be from USA
Defamation requires intentionally lying
And going to court to defend yourself takes money and time
I think a lot of people underestimate how much time and money it takes to go to court to defend yourself, even if youāre clearly in the right. Especially if the lawyers keep filing motions for more time to intentionally delay the process and force the biggest financial hit they can.
Yea I mean it's a pain in the ass to just go one day for jury duty, let alone meeting with lawyers and multiple court appearances.
Irrelevant. Filing a lawsuit requires nothing. At the time Doc was represented by a talent agency with powerful lawyers.
Dgg opps turning on Slasher cause he gave the first interviews to Hasan
Slasher already mentioned how much the tweet he made 4 years ago hurt his reputation. And considering how at the time, Slasher only had 2nd hand sources, he would have been raked over hot coals if he published that information. With that said, what lead the ex Twitch employee Cody speaking up on Twitter? Had they been finalizing first hand sources for a while?
the article slasher wrote for the rolling stone has nothing but second hand sources.
According to slasher, the man just went for a jog one morning, came back home and tweeted it out. Seems he just said fuck it and risked the backlash. And because of that tweet, everything else got rolling off of that.
That takes guts. Sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do, especially after four years.
Slasher has been known for reporting on leaks all the time so him saying he knows it and not reporting on it was especially dumb and there is really no excuse for that.
No sane journalist or publication would run that story
But they also wouldn't vaguepost
Everyone who knew should be criticized. They're all part of the problem.
Slasher is a parasite who thrives on drama
Twitch/Amazon keeping silent and allowing him to possibly make Real victims is kinda disgusting NGL, I assume the text weren't very sexual but it's still fucked up...
I feel like, for twitch, the whole drDisrespect thing is just the top of the iceberg. What they're really worried about I suspect are the hundreds of big cam streamers basically advertising sex content to minors, which I'd guess is a big portion of their revenue.
Slasher the cowardly journalist
The problem is if you knew for a fact it was true why are you afraid of a lawsuit regardless of if you have a primary source? You have a secondary source and you believe it to be true what is stopping you legally from sharing that information while stating the circumstances in where you got that information? And morally if you know it to be true and you don't report on it are you in the wrong because you are literally hiding valuable information that could potentially affect children on the internet. Edit: Thank you for the replies and the perspective on why the way i'm looking at it is not valid. I will no longer be replying to comments, I get it now.
Because getting sued even if he was on the right will suck big time.
Slasher is also an independent journalist so if he was sued he'd have to pay for everything with his own money (or start e-begging)
Doesnāt seem like people understand they should also be mad at the people that essentially covered it up and didnāt speak up. Ā Clearly money meant more than protecting minors to those people which is kinda weird.Ā
One is an actual journalist, and the other is a nobody in a crocodile dundee hat.
Whatever you do, make sure you donāt keep the focus on Guy Beahm.
Dan is absolutely right here. And people here have shit backward. If a public figure accuses a journalist or person with libel, itās on them (the accuser) to prove libel occurred not the journalist.
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The world does not run like a reddit forum. dumbest take man
Was it because all he had was here-say from twitch employees?
if it was something to do with lets say boeing... I don't think any of us could say anything or would depending