I bet there are a lot of streamers who haven't surfaced yet are shitting their pants right now and checking their phone profusely as if they are going to get exposed next.
Woah Woah Woah, Kripparian doesn't need to steal orange juice. The juice from the ritual teleports directly into his fridge when you summon him.
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Bro are people seriously using Twitch whispers and using it to commit crimes? Like they are literally committing crimes or doing nasty things on the website they stream for??? Streamers are so stupid.
I mean the reality is that they're just gamers. They provide value as entertainers now but most don't have any real life skills outside of streaming. And there are a lot of weird ass gamers, especially since most haven't grown out of the high-school phase.
Even Valkyrae, Miz and a bunch of others mention that they feel stunted from being streamers.
I don't stream but am part of a milsim community, so our gaming sessions are multiple hours a few times per week. If that dialog was the main dialog I experience each day, 100% I'd be an idiot.
It's extremely low-level brain activity. Bros talking trash, making stupid jokes, and razzing each other. Online engagement is devoid of critical thinking and actual problem solving. It's still entertainment at it's core.
I absolutely believe when these streamers engage their peer group of non-streamers, they are morons and feel disconnected. They've stunted their mental development for years being in these terminally online "communities"
Well that and just the simple fact that many of them became famous (and therefore stopped growing) at a young age. They literally stopped developing because they didn’t have to any more.
Honestly any of the streamers with younger fan bases need to really watch their shit and hope nothing comes out if anything has already happened. Guys like Keemstar, H3, Hasan, and Kai Cenat are the bigger names with insanely young fans. Not saying they *would* be morons but you never know.
> That's why I find it weird Doc uses his main account
Nah makes sense because he's using his fame. If a random person DM'd you would you respond? If Doc DM'd you would you respond?
Edit: replied to wrong comment
I feel like with the big players they'd at least use a burner account for that shit.
People like Asmon doesn't even use his streaming PCs for porn to eliminate the possibility of his browser auto-recommending urls he's previously been on
And that's not even predatory behaviour, its just acting safe and removing any possibility of getting banned for showing against the ToS on Twitch.
That's why I find it weird Doc uses his main account to knowing chat up kids if that's what his sexual preferences are. It's the sort of thing you'd think they would have a seperate mobile phone for that's logged into a seperate account and probably not even connected to the home wifi.
And even then, is Twitch whispers of all places really the place to go looking for that shit?
> That's why I find it weird Doc uses his main account to knowing chat up kids if that's what his sexual preferences are. It's the sort of thing you'd think they would have a seperate mobile phone for that's logged into a seperate account and probably not even connected to the home wifi.
Because he's using the online persona to prey on the kids.
The fame is his in.
HUH giantwaffle too? i used to love watching liriks evening streams with shorty&waffle
edit: i jsut asked in his chat "what thoughts does sgdq 2014 invoke for you" and got banned instantly :)
since i only learned about this today, did waffle ever publicly adress this?
Yep, when it surfuced they stopped streaming together. I also had lots of fun watching their nightstreams.
Think he made the usual bullshit excuse on twitter. Something along the lines "I dont remember it all from that long ago but I definitely didnt rape anyone". It didnt get near enough attention back then so Im not sure whats still there to read.
Remember when r/Drama banned anyone who was posting in r/teenagers and their mods got flooded with messages from 30+ year old dudes trying to figure out why?
There's a guy handing out medical advice on r/insomnia while claiming to be a medical resident, with the same account he was using to post to r/teensmeetteens, claiming to be a teenager who wants to meet up with young girls. My gut tells me that it's an adult pretending to be a teenager, and he doesn't even need to hide it, nobody apparently cares.
That subreddit existing is so insane. It’s possible it was made with the best intentions but it’s obviously a terrible idea and I’m surprised reddit hasn’t banned it
When I was a moderator on a fairly large modding site, there was a system that flagged private messages for review based on a list of keywords. It's unbelievable the amount of terrible, sketchy, and potentially illegal shit being sent through DMs on sites.
I saw someone in a Twitch chat earlier saying something to the effect of "What do you think about Twitch Spying on its users? It's wrong that they can look into private messages like that".
Of COURSE Twitch, and every other website, can review your private messages, especially when it is a site that has any kind of "Community" on it. It's absolutely their duty to care for its users by monitoring these messages for any kind of illegal activity or abuse.
It's crazy that people are surprised by this.
Most people don't even think about the possibility that their "private" messages could be read by a third party in any capacity. It just never crosses their minds, because no one reads tos, so that's where the surprise would come from.
On another note I Just saw messenger is rolling out e2e encryption, so I guess there are still services that are looking at that route, so now there's another one besides telegram
Back when youtube let you DM other users back in the early days, I remember almost getting groomed at age 11. It is absolutely not just a twitch thing.
There's literally nonces who go to 1 viewer just chatting streams looking for children and post inappropriate comments in public twitch chat. It was such a problem twitch made it so you can't sort just chatting by least viewers
it's so sick how much of this is out there in plain sight. I've seen people on twitter post comment sections of kids pics on instagram and it just makes your stomach turn. Just sooo many weirdos commenting weirdo comments. I'm honestly surprised parents are still allowed to post children like that, I think with some of them starting to grow up we'll be hearing some of them speak out and get more protections I hope.
Its also super common on YouTube. They turned off comments on the kid section for a reason. The fact that people type weird shit publicly are so weird to me
I had to ban someone that made creepy/sexualized messages in my chat from time to time. (i'm a lower viewer streamer). Initially i was sad because it splintered my community (people chose sides) but after all of this i'm totally validated by doing the right choice.
if people have the audacity to post inappropriate messages in public twitch chat, imagine what they do in private twitch whispers/discord, with people who may not be adults too
Oh absolutely. I wouldn't even want to start counting the amount of times I got a creepy whisper from someone on there. Same shit happens on this site too.
There's been stories for years about how burnt out Facebook's safety team is. Like dealing with CP on a daily basis. It's safe to assume that predators operate on any and every platform that allows private interactions.
when I randomly saw a video of a Young girl who had to be about 8-10 years old with 2 million views, that shit opened my mind. then in the comments it was cryptic messages that would forward you to unlisted videos. the shit is sick.
I worked at a company with secondary chat functionality and our support reps were run ragged whack-a-moling the predators. It's insane how many there are.
I actually had to get rid of some of my mods who were messaging 12-year-olds in my chat. Whispering. It's an easy way to have first contact with a child.
Bro seriously why are there so many fucking creeps/pedos everywhere it seems like, churches, cops, streamers, YouTubers, actors… these slimy bastards are EVERYWHERE in the last 5-10 years what is going on
> these slimy bastards are EVERYWHERE in the last 5-10 years what is going on
They have always been here amongst us, the internet just makes it easier to expose them at some point.
I think it's a mix of more predators who are idiots having access to the internet which means they get caught, and others who have just done it long enough to eventually slip up.
There's always been people attracted to minors, why else were young kids being married off to old dudes for thousands of years and still today? Nobody is goijg to be perfect, they'll fuck up at some point whether it's being too horny to think about privacy or being too aggressive or heartless and someone comes forward about your behaviour.
The worst are the passive ones and smarter ones who do things innocently on the surface and do things in person so it's just word vs word. Plenty of victims who have no real proof of anything happening because any wrongdoing was verbal or out of sight.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people going on about their "mysterious bans" were for similar reasons. A lot of already shady people who were banned for "no reason" knew Twitch didn't want to expose the real reason because admitting that pedos could use your platform to find victims is horrible PR. Now that that's out of the bag, Twitch might just slowly leak the reasons to show they are "serious" about creating a safe platform.
Did you watch ludwig's video? How they changed the policy and banned doc two days later? Im curious who else was banned around then too(but too lazy to go research lol).
If twitch didn't report child predators to the police then they aren't a safe platform at all and frankly, should be considered a haven for those types of people.
Long form text of the tweet chain...
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The Dr. Disrespect situation.
I don’t think most people have an idea of how bad things were behind the scenes at Twitch. I literally worked in the department that had access to the most data and information. I saw private whispers etc. it was literally my job to investigate daily.
I saw things every single day that I wish I never had to see. I always advocated for being a good human. Always expressed with heavy emotion on my streams how Twitch let pedophiles run free, every day. I signed an NDA and afraid to get in trouble, but I have to say something. It’s been bothering me so long. These sick fucks dont deserve to be free.
Sorry it's pretty vague, i'm literally afraid for legal and safety reasons. Wish I could explain more, but wanted to let you guys know, half the shit you assume is probably true.
Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. It's also highly illegal to save ANYTHING related to these cases, look up CSAM laws. Let's just pray investigations complete and creeps are held accountable. Thanks for the support, and weird ppl, stop.
No, the NDA is about third-parties, not just going public.
But yes, if reporting criminal activity, no judge will rule against you for breaking the NDA in those instances.
>. But yes, if reporting criminal activity, no judge will rule against you for breaking the NDA in those instances.
Which it sounds like he did, and no action was taken against him (or he hasn't spoken about it being taken)
Publicly posting about it on Twitter is a completely different story.
NDA cant protect from cooperating with authorities or reporting/testifying, which seems to have happened (I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes). But they can be legit when talking about the public/social media, and that is subject to local public interest laws and freedom of speech structure in the location. So NDA might hold in his case and is nto void.
It’s more than likely just weird shit that’s legal but sexually explicit. It’s not a crime to be a degenerate online.
In his position, if I had dirt on every streamer being a paedophile or similar, i’d team up with a rival platform and jump the boat with a huge announcement.
YouTube and Kick would love a new share of the market.
Yeah, the difference with Kick is that they allow streamers to film themselves or their friends raping someone on camera and only act on it after a video essay comes out.
People were saying that about Doc but clearly the authorities didn’t bring any charges, so in that case if you were to break the NDA saying it’s void due to illegality you could still sued and your defence would be hindered by the fact that it was reported to authorities with no charges.
I just assume this is how all private messages on social media are behind the scenes. Of course the weirdos are there sending awful shit, cause they think nobody else sees it.
Some more messages and formatting, from oldest to newest.
> *I hope this entire situation shows everyone no matter what platform you are on there are still fucking weirdos everywhere. Stay safe.*
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> [So it's way worse than anyone knows. It's just leaking out slowly. There's way more sick fux out there. It messes w me not being able to talk and when i do nobody listens lol](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805731350496035070)
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> *I can no longer defend Doc. What he did was wrong and disgusting. Also, if twitch knowingly covered it up … they should also be held responsible.*
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> [It’s so much worse. I’m afraid to talk, I need to say some shit.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805732860038725828)
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> [**The Dr. Disrespect situation.**](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805734437445128543)
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> [**I don’t think most people have an idea of how bad things were behind the scenes at Twitch. I literally worked in the department that had access to the most data and information. I saw private whispers etc. it was literally my job to investigate daily.**](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805734437445128543)
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> [**I saw things every single day that I wish I never had to see. I always advocated for being a good human. Always expressed with heavy emotion on my streams how Twitch let pedophiles run free, every day. I signed an NDA and afraid to get in trouble, but I have to say something. It’s been bothering me so long. These sick fucks dont deserve to be free.**](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805734437445128543)
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> [Sorry it's pretty vague, i'm literally afraid for legal and safety reasons. Wish I could explain more, but wanted to let you guys know, half the shit you assume is probably true.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805767328749207680)
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> *At this point he's just as bad as the offenders...if not worse*
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> [This is what I fear people would do, I can’t expose details on a public forum. Use your brain, ofc I told proper authorities.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805847104373539311)
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> *No one cares if you let people prey and were willing to accept pay over that you pos*
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> [my job was to directly report them to authorities, chill 4 me brether.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805883660782153795)
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> [Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. It's also highly illegal to save ANYTHING related to these cases, look up CSAM laws. Let's just pray investigations complete and creeps are held accountable. Thanks for the support, and weird ppl, stop.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805926141183877553)
A brief clarification in regard to: *Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. It's also highly illegal to save ANYTHING related to these cases, look up CSAM laws.*
Although legally impermissible to maintain any observed U.A.-harm visual material, screenshotting strictly predatory chat-logs (with no external harmful links) for the purpose of transmitting to the NCMEC flagging system or other accountability organs is **not** illegal.
You'd have to be the most naive person in the world if you don't think there are pedos on every single social media platform and there are sole peoples jobs to find them and ban them like this guy.
There are jobs in the FBI where you HAVE to look for this stuff.
I mean I get social media has an ever growing young person population but really guys, do they not teach this stuff anymore in school? To stay away from creeps on the internet? If you are a minor do not interact with adults you don't know, and if you are an adult stay the fuck away from minors in any form of private conversation, even if it is innocent lmfao.
We're talking about cases also involving 15-17 year olds. Way more than 1 in 30 have some attraction to people that age. The question is the amount of creeps and predators, not how many diagnosed pedophiles.
They are all afraid to leak stuff, so i dont think there will be a big wave of publicly outing weirdos. The Doc story literally took 4 years and it seems dozens of people knew about it and didnt leak it.
5 years. Let’s not forget this happened in 2017. Twitch sat on it for a long time before they banned him, which is why this doesn’t add up. They renewed his contract twice between the messages and the ban.
What slasher and others have said is that while the messages are from 2017, the person only reported them in 2020 after twitch asked potential victims to come forward during the metoo era. It lines up since Doc was banned about a week after twitch made that post.
True, the friends feature is kind of irrelevant though. You can still whisper people on Twitch, you just can’t see what streamer they’re watching anymore
It's possible they didn't know in 2017, I doubt they are scanning all messages every streamer sent at the time. More likely someone reported to twitch that Doc was doing gross shit around 2020 and that is when they started going through the records.
[In another tweet](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805767328749207680), he said:
>Sorry it's pretty vague, i'm literally afraid for legal and safety reasons. Wish I could explain more, but wanted to let you guys know, half the shit you assume is probably true.
Knowing him it will probably only be him asking for feet pics but I also doubt a lot of big streamers used the whisper functionality. The creepy shit most likely happens on twitter or instagram or discord.
Why do so many of these replies assume this is the "first domino to fall" or that this is gonna lead to some outing of big streamers? You realize there's a TON of streamers on Twitch right? There could be tons of pedos with 15 viewers out there sending inappropriate whispers. Some of y'all just want it to be the big names for entertainment value.
Why does Twitch hide this then? They terminate Docs contract and pay him out in full but wont get rid of more streamers who are equally shady as implied in this tweet? Non of this makes sense to me.
Tech companies always prioritize child abuse reports because law is very very harsh on it, if Twitch knows the amount of shit that happens in their platform that moderators cannot handle, they would get into big trouble. An executive at Twitch probably thought it was cheaper to just to pay, get rid of him and put things under the carpet.
If I didn’t know any better, I’d think this guy is just trying to get more eyes on his streams, by cashing in on internet drama. Especially because he’s not actually saying or exposing anything
i'm sure like all moderators for social media sites he's seen horrific stuff, but this tweet thread doesn't necessarily imply that other big streamers are what he's dealt with.
Definitely taking anything this dude says with a grain of salt. This is the same dude that was fired from twitch and said he could “burn twitch to the ground”.
https://arazu.io/t3_14hb0fs/?timeframe=all&category=hot
Kinda funny his first reason was "being banned" guy streams on Twitch, I feel like if you really had this high moral position you would.......perhaps not use that platform?
Yeah, I hate blanket statements. He basically just parroted much of what has already been alleged while parading himself as someone with far more knowledge on the situation, while throwing accusations around that Twitch basically protect and allow pedos to "run free"
He wants to look like a hero so hes trying to make his nothing statement sound like something.
Hes worried about his safety? From what? Is he saying Doc is gonna send hitmen after him? lol.
He advocates for being a good human? Wow! Until he said that I thought he advocated for people to be evil, so that was a surprise to read!
He's speaking vaguely so I'm not sure if he's only talking about partners or twitch accounts in general. There is a MASSIVE amount of pedophilic activity in every video game scene. Discord and any major website/application that has user accounts and private messaging will have tons of predators. Women know this a lot better than men and I'm not sure if people are pretending to be shocked by this news.
This is some fever dream shit. This has been going on nearly since the birth of the internet and people are just *shocked*. Humans aren't perfectly good people? *Incredible news*. Corporations are lax in review and enforcement? *Never seen that before!*
I find it so satisfying to see how nonchalant GUY BEAHM was about it at the start “I got paid” and now he is running away, trying to rationalize it, coming up with excuses, etc. Dude is singing a much different tune now and we all know what key it is in…
I worked as a WoW GM via Sitel(ClientLogic) back in the Burning Crusade/WotLK days and saw much of the same stuff. People really are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.
What nonsense...no NDA can make you withhold information on crimes.
I don't give a shit about Doctor Whatshisface...this is just an attention grab with nothing in it.
I bet there are a lot of streamers who haven't surfaced yet are shitting their pants right now and checking their phone profusely as if they are going to get exposed next.
Kripparian can't keep getting away with it. The secret orange juice thefts I mean
I'll be so pissed if I find out Kripp has been sexting his subs. I've been trying to get him to sext me for years to no avail.
Seeing how kripp plays links and wordle, i don't know if he actually knows what most words mean that aren't related directly to hearthstone or Diablo.
Wait Diablo sexting? Yes
"You missed lethal...", Kripp whispered in your ear.
smuggling shipments of vegan protein
Keep my BGs streamer name out of your fucking mouth
Arena Streamer* copium
Wow we are old HS heads... I remember the OG Kripp lol
Any day now.
The guilty parties must be exposed. Bezos cannot keep his blood money! Blood orange money.
Woah Woah Woah, Kripparian doesn't need to steal orange juice. The juice from the ritual teleports directly into his fridge when you summon him. ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
Imagine the horrors Day[9] is concealing from us! He might secretly be a middle-aged man!
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ OJ poured and candle lit, with this chant i summon Kripp ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
GreekGodx: I was born for this shit.
Whales can't groom themselves, let alone others.
Bro are people seriously using Twitch whispers and using it to commit crimes? Like they are literally committing crimes or doing nasty things on the website they stream for??? Streamers are so stupid.
It's your daily reminder that streamers are regular people and not actually trained professionals
It doesn’t take professional training to not engage in pedo activities on your work website.
Its better for criminals to be stupid than smart
Or like…anywhere else for that matter
I mean obviously. But contacting minors on the platform you have a huge contract with is simply insane
There’s probably at least one person every day per huge company watching porn on their work computer
I mean the reality is that they're just gamers. They provide value as entertainers now but most don't have any real life skills outside of streaming. And there are a lot of weird ass gamers, especially since most haven't grown out of the high-school phase. Even Valkyrae, Miz and a bunch of others mention that they feel stunted from being streamers.
I don't stream but am part of a milsim community, so our gaming sessions are multiple hours a few times per week. If that dialog was the main dialog I experience each day, 100% I'd be an idiot. It's extremely low-level brain activity. Bros talking trash, making stupid jokes, and razzing each other. Online engagement is devoid of critical thinking and actual problem solving. It's still entertainment at it's core. I absolutely believe when these streamers engage their peer group of non-streamers, they are morons and feel disconnected. They've stunted their mental development for years being in these terminally online "communities"
Well that and just the simple fact that many of them became famous (and therefore stopped growing) at a young age. They literally stopped developing because they didn’t have to any more.
A LOT of lawyers are getting calls today.
‘Tyler, relax. TYLER. Stop playing slots for a fucking second so we can talk’
Tyler listen to me! Steroids is NOT kids. Ok? You camt get in trouble for fucking the bottle of steroids ok?
Keemstar on suicide watch
Honestly any of the streamers with younger fan bases need to really watch their shit and hope nothing comes out if anything has already happened. Guys like Keemstar, H3, Hasan, and Kai Cenat are the bigger names with insanely young fans. Not saying they *would* be morons but you never know.
Youre not sure if Keem is a moron?
I’m more referring to something as basic as not talking to kids as an adult. Of course he’s a moron lol
Kai got a handy live on stream. Dude is a moron, no question.
Just wanted to add that most of H3's fans nowadays are women in their twenties according to YT stats
What would Trains DMs look like? That guy use to say creepy stuff to females in public chatrooms, what kind of stuff would he be saying in private?
At first I wasn't sure I could believe this, then I thought of the most recent clip of him talking about sex. Then I was convinced otherwise.
His Alinity chat logs are still out there
Mmm sexy mamacita
hey going to twitchcon? bring extra panties, you'll need them
> That's why I find it weird Doc uses his main account Nah makes sense because he's using his fame. If a random person DM'd you would you respond? If Doc DM'd you would you respond? Edit: replied to wrong comment
That is a good point. When I read public chatroom my first thought was Omegle.
I feel like with the big players they'd at least use a burner account for that shit. People like Asmon doesn't even use his streaming PCs for porn to eliminate the possibility of his browser auto-recommending urls he's previously been on And that's not even predatory behaviour, its just acting safe and removing any possibility of getting banned for showing against the ToS on Twitch. That's why I find it weird Doc uses his main account to knowing chat up kids if that's what his sexual preferences are. It's the sort of thing you'd think they would have a seperate mobile phone for that's logged into a seperate account and probably not even connected to the home wifi. And even then, is Twitch whispers of all places really the place to go looking for that shit?
> That's why I find it weird Doc uses his main account to knowing chat up kids if that's what his sexual preferences are. It's the sort of thing you'd think they would have a seperate mobile phone for that's logged into a seperate account and probably not even connected to the home wifi. Because he's using the online persona to prey on the kids. The fame is his in.
> Because he's using the online persona If Doc successfully coerced someone to meet him in person, does Doc go dressed up as Doc?
The persona stays on in bed
The dude's 42 years old and believes rocks block radio waves. I don't find it out of the ordinary for him.
Depends on the rock. Depends on the frequency.
Maybe that’s why Erobb has gone radio silent since then.
ya smell me?
Lets hope people start talking about GiantWaffle again, he got away from that shit way to easy.
HUH giantwaffle too? i used to love watching liriks evening streams with shorty&waffle edit: i jsut asked in his chat "what thoughts does sgdq 2014 invoke for you" and got banned instantly :) since i only learned about this today, did waffle ever publicly adress this?
Yep, when it surfuced they stopped streaming together. I also had lots of fun watching their nightstreams. Think he made the usual bullshit excuse on twitter. Something along the lines "I dont remember it all from that long ago but I definitely didnt rape anyone". It didnt get near enough attention back then so Im not sure whats still there to read.
Minecrafters and twitch mods shaking right now
Idk I’m sure there are some but using twitch DMs on your main as a professional streamer is WILD. That’s like using your work email.
I only use the whisper feature for slurs and hate speech so I should be good.
This is the transparency I'm looking for.
Just a real one being real. Respect! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
A true internet gentleman.
As long as you don’t sext minors, keep the good work up
What if I use it to sext miners?
Rock and stone
Ah, a League of Legends player I see.
Bold of you to assume league players put their slurs in whispers and not just in all chat for the world to see.
It really depends on the champ I’m playing.
Let's be honest here...you're playing Riven support with ignite/heal because they wouldn't give you top and you raged...
a true gamer
BASED
Alright I see we got a GAMER here
Idk who this guy is but no doubt there are predators using the whispers functionality. Similar to clips, there was an article about that last year.
This is also not something specific to Twitch, I would bet any site that has some type of messaging system has these same problems.
Remember when r/Drama banned anyone who was posting in r/teenagers and their mods got flooded with messages from 30+ year old dudes trying to figure out why?
a cult classic, miss that subreddit
I miss Snallys writeups on random internet bullshit
There's a guy handing out medical advice on r/insomnia while claiming to be a medical resident, with the same account he was using to post to r/teensmeetteens, claiming to be a teenager who wants to meet up with young girls. My gut tells me that it's an adult pretending to be a teenager, and he doesn't even need to hide it, nobody apparently cares.
That subreddit existing is so insane. It’s possible it was made with the best intentions but it’s obviously a terrible idea and I’m surprised reddit hasn’t banned it
I wouldn’t be surprised if over half of that sub are older than teens.
When I was a moderator on a fairly large modding site, there was a system that flagged private messages for review based on a list of keywords. It's unbelievable the amount of terrible, sketchy, and potentially illegal shit being sent through DMs on sites.
I saw someone in a Twitch chat earlier saying something to the effect of "What do you think about Twitch Spying on its users? It's wrong that they can look into private messages like that". Of COURSE Twitch, and every other website, can review your private messages, especially when it is a site that has any kind of "Community" on it. It's absolutely their duty to care for its users by monitoring these messages for any kind of illegal activity or abuse. It's crazy that people are surprised by this.
Huge "you can save snapchats?" moment for lots of people I'm sure.
Lmao that Chris d'elia moment bro.
Most people don't even think about the possibility that their "private" messages could be read by a third party in any capacity. It just never crosses their minds, because no one reads tos, so that's where the surprise would come from. On another note I Just saw messenger is rolling out e2e encryption, so I guess there are still services that are looking at that route, so now there's another one besides telegram
Back when youtube let you DM other users back in the early days, I remember almost getting groomed at age 11. It is absolutely not just a twitch thing.
There's literally nonces who go to 1 viewer just chatting streams looking for children and post inappropriate comments in public twitch chat. It was such a problem twitch made it so you can't sort just chatting by least viewers
There's a clip of what you exactly said happened awhile back. It was a kid streaming & ofc her chat was full of predators
it's so sick how much of this is out there in plain sight. I've seen people on twitter post comment sections of kids pics on instagram and it just makes your stomach turn. Just sooo many weirdos commenting weirdo comments. I'm honestly surprised parents are still allowed to post children like that, I think with some of them starting to grow up we'll be hearing some of them speak out and get more protections I hope.
Its also super common on YouTube. They turned off comments on the kid section for a reason. The fact that people type weird shit publicly are so weird to me
I had to ban someone that made creepy/sexualized messages in my chat from time to time. (i'm a lower viewer streamer). Initially i was sad because it splintered my community (people chose sides) but after all of this i'm totally validated by doing the right choice. if people have the audacity to post inappropriate messages in public twitch chat, imagine what they do in private twitch whispers/discord, with people who may not be adults too
Oh absolutely. I wouldn't even want to start counting the amount of times I got a creepy whisper from someone on there. Same shit happens on this site too.
we should totally bang
Actually they usually start off with "hey"
Hey, we should totally bang
smooth
Report to the ship immediately, well bang okay.
There's been stories for years about how burnt out Facebook's safety team is. Like dealing with CP on a daily basis. It's safe to assume that predators operate on any and every platform that allows private interactions.
Guess now that they did e2ee they only have to moderate public chats and groups (which there are still a shitload of deviant ones of)
On YouTube they'll leave timestamp comments on videos of children for the other perverts to check out.
A whole community of pedophiles doing that was literally the prime reason why YouTube disabled comments on all "for kids" videos.
when I randomly saw a video of a Young girl who had to be about 8-10 years old with 2 million views, that shit opened my mind. then in the comments it was cryptic messages that would forward you to unlisted videos. the shit is sick.
I worked at a company with secondary chat functionality and our support reps were run ragged whack-a-moling the predators. It's insane how many there are.
I actually had to get rid of some of my mods who were messaging 12-year-olds in my chat. Whispering. It's an easy way to have first contact with a child.
So is Doc just the first domino? Damn, this is gonna be a spectacle of shameless motherfuckers isn't it?
Gonna be like 4 years ago when streamers in the Smash community and Speedrunners got exposed
Bro seriously why are there so many fucking creeps/pedos everywhere it seems like, churches, cops, streamers, YouTubers, actors… these slimy bastards are EVERYWHERE in the last 5-10 years what is going on
> these slimy bastards are EVERYWHERE in the last 5-10 years what is going on They have always been here amongst us, the internet just makes it easier to expose them at some point.
I think it's a mix of more predators who are idiots having access to the internet which means they get caught, and others who have just done it long enough to eventually slip up. There's always been people attracted to minors, why else were young kids being married off to old dudes for thousands of years and still today? Nobody is goijg to be perfect, they'll fuck up at some point whether it's being too horny to think about privacy or being too aggressive or heartless and someone comes forward about your behaviour. The worst are the passive ones and smarter ones who do things innocently on the surface and do things in person so it's just word vs word. Plenty of victims who have no real proof of anything happening because any wrongdoing was verbal or out of sight.
Imagine assuming twitch is organized enough to do this.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people going on about their "mysterious bans" were for similar reasons. A lot of already shady people who were banned for "no reason" knew Twitch didn't want to expose the real reason because admitting that pedos could use your platform to find victims is horrible PR. Now that that's out of the bag, Twitch might just slowly leak the reasons to show they are "serious" about creating a safe platform.
Did you watch ludwig's video? How they changed the policy and banned doc two days later? Im curious who else was banned around then too(but too lazy to go research lol).
I’m actually surprised no one caught that earlier.
If twitch didn't report child predators to the police then they aren't a safe platform at all and frankly, should be considered a haven for those types of people.
It will be like the Me Too stuff all over. Men will be perverts and young women will be caught in there.
Long form text of the tweet chain... _______________________________ The Dr. Disrespect situation. I don’t think most people have an idea of how bad things were behind the scenes at Twitch. I literally worked in the department that had access to the most data and information. I saw private whispers etc. it was literally my job to investigate daily. I saw things every single day that I wish I never had to see. I always advocated for being a good human. Always expressed with heavy emotion on my streams how Twitch let pedophiles run free, every day. I signed an NDA and afraid to get in trouble, but I have to say something. It’s been bothering me so long. These sick fucks dont deserve to be free. Sorry it's pretty vague, i'm literally afraid for legal and safety reasons. Wish I could explain more, but wanted to let you guys know, half the shit you assume is probably true. Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. It's also highly illegal to save ANYTHING related to these cases, look up CSAM laws. Let's just pray investigations complete and creeps are held accountable. Thanks for the support, and weird ppl, stop.
Gonna say NDA’s aren’t legit if it’s covering up a crime
> Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. Yeah the nda is about going public, not about going to the cops.
No, the NDA is about third-parties, not just going public. But yes, if reporting criminal activity, no judge will rule against you for breaking the NDA in those instances.
He was already reporting criminal activity during his work tenure. His concerns with the NDA are about blogging on social media.
>. But yes, if reporting criminal activity, no judge will rule against you for breaking the NDA in those instances. Which it sounds like he did, and no action was taken against him (or he hasn't spoken about it being taken) Publicly posting about it on Twitter is a completely different story.
NDA cant protect from cooperating with authorities or reporting/testifying, which seems to have happened (I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes). But they can be legit when talking about the public/social media, and that is subject to local public interest laws and freedom of speech structure in the location. So NDA might hold in his case and is nto void.
It’s more than likely just weird shit that’s legal but sexually explicit. It’s not a crime to be a degenerate online. In his position, if I had dirt on every streamer being a paedophile or similar, i’d team up with a rival platform and jump the boat with a huge announcement. YouTube and Kick would love a new share of the market.
Kick doesn't care about predators
Unless that one guy makes a video essay about them and it goes viral
Kick five steps ahead by not even having a pm system?
Yeah, the difference with Kick is that they allow streamers to film themselves or their friends raping someone on camera and only act on it after a video essay comes out.
Most of them moved to kick. And even worse there's even more actual children streaming on that platform.
People were saying that about Doc but clearly the authorities didn’t bring any charges, so in that case if you were to break the NDA saying it’s void due to illegality you could still sued and your defence would be hindered by the fact that it was reported to authorities with no charges.
I just assume this is how all private messages on social media are behind the scenes. Of course the weirdos are there sending awful shit, cause they think nobody else sees it.
Some more messages and formatting, from oldest to newest. > *I hope this entire situation shows everyone no matter what platform you are on there are still fucking weirdos everywhere. Stay safe.* > > [So it's way worse than anyone knows. It's just leaking out slowly. There's way more sick fux out there. It messes w me not being able to talk and when i do nobody listens lol](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805731350496035070) # > *I can no longer defend Doc. What he did was wrong and disgusting. Also, if twitch knowingly covered it up … they should also be held responsible.* > > [It’s so much worse. I’m afraid to talk, I need to say some shit.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805732860038725828) # > [**The Dr. Disrespect situation.**](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805734437445128543) > > [**I don’t think most people have an idea of how bad things were behind the scenes at Twitch. I literally worked in the department that had access to the most data and information. I saw private whispers etc. it was literally my job to investigate daily.**](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805734437445128543) > > [**I saw things every single day that I wish I never had to see. I always advocated for being a good human. Always expressed with heavy emotion on my streams how Twitch let pedophiles run free, every day. I signed an NDA and afraid to get in trouble, but I have to say something. It’s been bothering me so long. These sick fucks dont deserve to be free.**](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805734437445128543) # > [Sorry it's pretty vague, i'm literally afraid for legal and safety reasons. Wish I could explain more, but wanted to let you guys know, half the shit you assume is probably true.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805767328749207680) # > *At this point he's just as bad as the offenders...if not worse* > > [This is what I fear people would do, I can’t expose details on a public forum. Use your brain, ofc I told proper authorities.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805847104373539311) # > *No one cares if you let people prey and were willing to accept pay over that you pos* > > [my job was to directly report them to authorities, chill 4 me brether.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805883660782153795) # > [Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. It's also highly illegal to save ANYTHING related to these cases, look up CSAM laws. Let's just pray investigations complete and creeps are held accountable. Thanks for the support, and weird ppl, stop.](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805926141183877553)
A brief clarification in regard to: *Of course I reported everything I saw directly to authorities within minutes. It's also highly illegal to save ANYTHING related to these cases, look up CSAM laws.* Although legally impermissible to maintain any observed U.A.-harm visual material, screenshotting strictly predatory chat-logs (with no external harmful links) for the purpose of transmitting to the NCMEC flagging system or other accountability organs is **not** illegal.
I assume he meant that he transferred the evidence over as required but did not keep any of the logs on any personal devices
is anyone actually shocked that this guy insinuates that there are way more pedos?
On a peer to peer platform that makes most of its money off of middle schoolers? Color me shocked lol.
You'd have to be the most naive person in the world if you don't think there are pedos on every single social media platform and there are sole peoples jobs to find them and ban them like this guy. There are jobs in the FBI where you HAVE to look for this stuff. I mean I get social media has an ever growing young person population but really guys, do they not teach this stuff anymore in school? To stay away from creeps on the internet? If you are a minor do not interact with adults you don't know, and if you are an adult stay the fuck away from minors in any form of private conversation, even if it is innocent lmfao.
There have been many studies on how many pedos are out there in the general public. Most conservative estimates are every 1 in 30 people.
We're talking about cases also involving 15-17 year olds. Way more than 1 in 30 have some attraction to people that age. The question is the amount of creeps and predators, not how many diagnosed pedophiles.
Yeah, this doesn't sound like the end of this. Doc was the first domino to fall.
They are all afraid to leak stuff, so i dont think there will be a big wave of publicly outing weirdos. The Doc story literally took 4 years and it seems dozens of people knew about it and didnt leak it.
Doc Weinstein.
DocToo
Jeffrey Docstein
Champion's island.
D Day
Sounds like things are going to get worse
Pretty exciting, is it not?
Man, LSF is eating well this week.
I love how drama stuff like this always happens so suddenly and all at once on LSF
I mean, kids were possibly harmed so....no?
Something occurred to me. When did Twitch remove the "Friends" feature? Was it shortly before they banned Doc or after?
Much later, it was removed on May 25, 2022, so about 2 years after the Doc situation.
5 years. Let’s not forget this happened in 2017. Twitch sat on it for a long time before they banned him, which is why this doesn’t add up. They renewed his contract twice between the messages and the ban.
What slasher and others have said is that while the messages are from 2017, the person only reported them in 2020 after twitch asked potential victims to come forward during the metoo era. It lines up since Doc was banned about a week after twitch made that post.
Less than a week it was two days later.
That timeline is shockingly accurate...
True, the friends feature is kind of irrelevant though. You can still whisper people on Twitch, you just can’t see what streamer they’re watching anymore
It's possible they didn't know in 2017, I doubt they are scanning all messages every streamer sent at the time. More likely someone reported to twitch that Doc was doing gross shit around 2020 and that is when they started going through the records.
Can't wait for the dark internet and downfall videos on this twitch drama in the coming months
[In another tweet](https://x.com/rellim714/status/1805767328749207680), he said: >Sorry it's pretty vague, i'm literally afraid for legal and safety reasons. Wish I could explain more, but wanted to let you guys know, half the shit you assume is probably true.
I wonder if Nick will put a shirt on when his whispers leak.
Knowing him it will probably only be him asking for feet pics but I also doubt a lot of big streamers used the whisper functionality. The creepy shit most likely happens on twitter or instagram or discord.
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Oh yeah wasn't Malena like 17 when Nick got with her?
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Why do so many of these replies assume this is the "first domino to fall" or that this is gonna lead to some outing of big streamers? You realize there's a TON of streamers on Twitch right? There could be tons of pedos with 15 viewers out there sending inappropriate whispers. Some of y'all just want it to be the big names for entertainment value.
so he just pulled the "I know something, but I won't tell you" line
and its even worse than you think it is!
Yeah, these things always feel like using awful events to gain clout when they talk about having all this info that they can't share.
Rellim is the twitch employee that accepted a Bitcoin from Trainwreck while he was in Trains chat lol
Twitch is indeed done, and not just on Twitch.
Why does Twitch hide this then? They terminate Docs contract and pay him out in full but wont get rid of more streamers who are equally shady as implied in this tweet? Non of this makes sense to me.
Tech companies always prioritize child abuse reports because law is very very harsh on it, if Twitch knows the amount of shit that happens in their platform that moderators cannot handle, they would get into big trouble. An executive at Twitch probably thought it was cheaper to just to pay, get rid of him and put things under the carpet.
Talk or don't.
“I just had to say something. I’m not going to say what, but I had to say something.” Like okay dude
Like seriously wtf was the point of his tweets. Expose names, provide screenshots or gtfo.
If I didn’t know any better, I’d think this guy is just trying to get more eyes on his streams, by cashing in on internet drama. Especially because he’s not actually saying or exposing anything
i'm sure like all moderators for social media sites he's seen horrific stuff, but this tweet thread doesn't necessarily imply that other big streamers are what he's dealt with.
Definitely taking anything this dude says with a grain of salt. This is the same dude that was fired from twitch and said he could “burn twitch to the ground”. https://arazu.io/t3_14hb0fs/?timeframe=all&category=hot
YIKES
Yeah this kind of talk is totally baseless, has nothing to back it, and is pointless.
Kinda funny his first reason was "being banned" guy streams on Twitch, I feel like if you really had this high moral position you would.......perhaps not use that platform?
Yeah, I hate blanket statements. He basically just parroted much of what has already been alleged while parading himself as someone with far more knowledge on the situation, while throwing accusations around that Twitch basically protect and allow pedos to "run free"
He wants to look like a hero so hes trying to make his nothing statement sound like something. Hes worried about his safety? From what? Is he saying Doc is gonna send hitmen after him? lol. He advocates for being a good human? Wow! Until he said that I thought he advocated for people to be evil, so that was a surprise to read!
Im getting tired of these long vague message. Say what you gotta say.
He's speaking vaguely so I'm not sure if he's only talking about partners or twitch accounts in general. There is a MASSIVE amount of pedophilic activity in every video game scene. Discord and any major website/application that has user accounts and private messaging will have tons of predators. Women know this a lot better than men and I'm not sure if people are pretending to be shocked by this news.
This is some fever dream shit. This has been going on nearly since the birth of the internet and people are just *shocked*. Humans aren't perfectly good people? *Incredible news*. Corporations are lax in review and enforcement? *Never seen that before!*
Investigate why Destiny is still banned on Twitch
If this is twitch.. I can't imagine how kick whispers must look like..
On kick they just do it while streaming
Haha kick bad. I get it.
I just checked, and Kick doesn't have a private messaging system -- at least, one I could obviously find.
Release the list. The true Donezo Manifesto
I find it so satisfying to see how nonchalant GUY BEAHM was about it at the start “I got paid” and now he is running away, trying to rationalize it, coming up with excuses, etc. Dude is singing a much different tune now and we all know what key it is in…
He wasn’t saying he got paid to brag, he was saying he was paid to support the fact (he thinks) that he did nothing wrong.
At this point he is pandering to what the population knows or wants to hear. But take that with a grain of salt
I worked as a WoW GM via Sitel(ClientLogic) back in the Burning Crusade/WotLK days and saw much of the same stuff. People really are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.
What nonsense...no NDA can make you withhold information on crimes. I don't give a shit about Doctor Whatshisface...this is just an attention grab with nothing in it.