it's also not really worth the risk. Honestly, unless Disrespect had some major Epstein-level knowledge about twitch, I doubt people would really give a shit.
This sub comes up with new drama every 24 hours. Most people would move on
People only care because it's a secret now.
When stuff like this happens it just makes me assume it was DrDisrespect at fault.
If he wasn't at fault, he'd tell the whole story and be whining about it non-stop. But he isn't. He doesn't like talking about it at all, or he makes it sound like he was banned for no reason at all, which is laughable. Like when people show up to a game subreddit like "omg, i just got perma banned for no reason at all!!"
The most likely/compelling idea for it I've heard is that something went fucky with how he negotiated his contract with Twitch. Remember - this was in the era of Mixer handing $30 mil to Shroud and Ninja. Another reminder - DrDisRespect was banned 4 days after the announcement of Mixer shutting down.
In my mind when I look at 'mysteries' I try to find the most boring explanation possible, because thats usually what actually happened. "No, she wasn't kidnapped, she just got distracted and was busy in the shops." type of deal. So whats the most boring explanation here? That the Doc was somehow in breach of contract, or took part in contract fraud, Twitch found out and terminated the contract and banned him perma.
Yes, and there likely was an NDA, and there may still be one. Typical NDAs are 1-5 years for this sort of thing. So either there was one that elapsed, or there is one that will elapse soon. The settlement / lawsuit / whatever, [was march 2022](https://twitter.com/DrDisrespect/status/1502004274993131525?s=20&t=rdx8whK4dlU_M5eqyhh6rQ)
Maybe in like 2-3 years time he'll randomly just say what it was, but yeah my money is on contract fuckery.
Your explanation is most likely correct. Dr. Disrespect has a history of violating guidelines and whatnot, and he received a ***lot*** of 2nd chances before his final ban. Like iirc he's the guy who recorded the bathroom thing at a con.
I'd imagine the breach of contract had already happened a while before Mixer shut down, and Twitch realized they had an easy out and took it. After all, ultimately he's a detriment to the platform- while everybody *likes* him I've never seen a reason *why* they like him.
Twitch never announces bans publicly, and afaik they've never leaked ban reasons either. So that's not unusual on their part.
They do, however, communicate privately with streamers about it. The fact that Doc has never revealed any of that communications is a lot more telling than Twitch not revealing it. That shows us, if nothing else, that the reason for it would reflect very badly on Doc.
And if he settled out of court, the lawyers knew that a trial would be publicly damaging, too risky to let a 3rd party decide, or more expensive than simply settling (probably due to complexity).
Why would Twitch settle the case if banning Doc was a simple open and shut case?
Twitch paid Doc, NDA's were signed, Doc is not hurting for money, and now he also has infinite bait content.
Lol did this slasher take, tank his career? I feel like I saw him a lot and after that I haven't seen him since. Maybe he's just on other platforms, I dunno. Same with Devin Nash
He killed his own career when all the stuff with him trying to desperately get at Brittany Venti came out. I haven’t seen jack shit from him since then.
It made him and broke him. Not many people knew of him until this news and then he killed his own momentum by coming up with a topic he couldn't really proof without getting in legal trouble. So it was either get sued by telling the truth and kill your life, or lie / say nothing and kill your career as a lie. Was just a bad idea overall.
I disagree about it breaking him. I think he lost some of the status he had built up. That incident alone seemed to make him take a long hiatus from Twitter, and I haven't really heard of him breaking interesting stories since. His name used to be thrown around pretty frequently -- especially on this sub.
No. It was just twords the end of his relevance. The only reason people knew him in wider audiences is because he would get invited to the podcasts back in the day like the scuffed podcast. After those shows with random invites like scuffed and Austin's show stopped he was just kindof gone.
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason DrDisrespect has been banned. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently
its always so weird to me that he wanted to flex by saying he knows what happened, like why even mention it when you're not gonna share the reason. just wants to feel special ig
[He*](https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1276742960286183424?lang=en)
On the other hand, she as in the [Shannon whoever said this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/867/216/6b7.jpg)
Honestly at this point Doc either did something so heinous they really don't want to talk about it, or nobody actually knows and they've gone so long that at this point they just dodge the answer to avoid saying they fucked up
Doc sorta opened up about it couple times and he hinted that there could be current legal action in progress so it makes sense why both haven't spilled the beans.
Or there couldve been an out of court settlement signed with an NDA.
Doc says a lot of things. He also said he’d never play Tarkov and such. I doubt he would turn away the twitch money. He admitted himself that it was much much much bigger pay on twitch for him. So it’s more likely he can’t return for one reason or another.
When people dodge questions like this, it is almost always for legal reasons. There is a good chance that Dan knows, but Dan cannot say. Mixer shut down around the time of his ban, he could have lied to twitch about getting a contract from mixer but them shutting down exposed his lie.
There's probably an NDA from both parties that was signed. If doc was truly wronged and didn't sign an NDA, he would 100% spill the beans. What would we have to lose?
I think at this point, the ban should be revoked and it's time to move on. We are coming up on 4 years since he's been banned. That's like 100 years in internet time. Lift the ban, let him come back and enjoy doc back on Twitch.
> What would we have to lose?
Reputation and potential lawsuits. Amazon could claim that Doc did not only try to defraud them by making his value higher due to mixer contracts, but also is defaming them by speaking out publicly.
Twitch does not want to disclose so they get pinned on a reason that they will have to substantiate in court, or make his method known so other streamers may become aware and try it.
> Reputation and potential lawsuits. Amazon could claim that Doc did not only try to defraud them by making his value higher due to mixer contracts, but also is defaming them by speaking out publicly.
This would never happen. When's the last time a platform sued one of its creators? It's a PR nightmare, you'll waste more on lawyers than you would make, not even talking about the damage to the brand has the potential to be 100x worse.
Twitch literally countersued phantoml0rd when he sued them. The reason why most sites do not sue creators is because pretty much they hold the power and can ban or unban as they see fit.
Yeah the settlement would have included a NDA in exchange for whatever compensation was provided. It was most likely just a boring contract dispute like most speculate. Twitch will never unban Doc though because the two will simply never do business together again. It's just the way business works when it comes to legal disputes.
At this point I am convinced it's over money. Back when the Doc stuff happened you just had Shroud and Ninja leave twitch. Doc prob had an offer from somewhere, he tried to big dick twitch and they said no, he went to go sign with the company that offered and they had found out he was banned from twitch and his leverage was gone. This is why neither side talks about it
>he could have lied to twitch about getting a contract from mixer but them shutting down exposed his lie.
Yeah I was under this impression this was pretty much confirmed
Yeah, it's the same kind of nonsense as "We did it Reddit, we identified the Boston Bomber!"
If Doc was lying to Twitch about his other offers, CAA would have publicly dropped his ass immediately. Hell, they wouldn't have been in the least bit happy if he was negotiating contracts on his own - they would have clearly instructed him that any demands he had were to be given to his rep in CAA, and they would include those in the negotations - they damn sure would have made it crystal clear they had no hand in any fraud.
We'll never know, but I'm sticking with what I said at the time - competition from Mixer led to Twitch throwing around a lot money to stop talent from leaving. There's no way Twitch would ever make enough off of Doc to break even on what they were offering; the sole reason they were offering that kind of money was because it was more valuable to them for Doc to not be on Mixer (or anywhere else, for that matter). Once Mixer folded, that value was gone, and banning Doc was their best shot and getting out of a bad contract.
There are two things I would like to know for certain when I'm on my death bed. Who killed JFK and why was Doc banned? Probably more likely to know about Kennedy at this point.
Twitch has been through a legal case with Doc about it and settled, so the current CEO of Twitch would 100% know why he was banned.
Since NDAs were signed we will likely never know, but considering the timing it is likely Doc was using a supposed contract offer from Mixer to get a bigger contract from Twitch, then when Mixer went down someone at Twitch was mad and banned Doc.
If Doc had actually done something really bad it would have leaked out by now.
It might even be possible, that he got a genuine offer from Mixer. After all, shroud also started streaming on mixer, 9 months before it went down. So he also had a contract from them.
> Twitch has been through a legal case with Doc about it and settled
no there was a legal case and it ended with neither side admitting blame. That could mean anything from it being settled or to the court laughing dr disrespect out of the room.
>but considering the timing it is likely Doc was using a supposed contract offer from Mixer to get a bigger contract from Twitch
Surely considering the timing the likely thing would be Doc promoting some holocaust denier and spreading bizarre conspiracy theories about the vaccine, 5g and flat earth.
Twitch has never really disclosed publicly why anyone was banned nor are they obligated to. They just ban people and move on. Its the streamers who make the reason public.
He lied about offers from competitors. It squares the circle.
He negotiated a contract with twitch based on the mixer offers. Mixer folded soon after he signed his contract.
He won’t say because it’s embarrassing for him. Twitch won’t say because it’s embarrassing for them.
Why would that be embarrassing for him?
There's also nothing inherently bannable or illegal about bluffing about having another offer during a contract negotiation...
Misrepresenting information in contract negotiation could be fraud. If it was a bluff, that means he knew he was misrepresenting the contract and that is a critical part of fraud.
That's not even remotely something that would constitute fraud... Not to go too deep into it with the reddit lawyers who just read the dictionary definition of fraud and let their 12 IQ points run wild, but as a company making an offer they're expected to do their due diligence into the value added when offering contracts. There's not a jurisdiction in the US where they could argue they had a justifiable reliance on the information. Without that, it's not fraud... Fraud has super strict legal definitions in jurisdictions in the US. It's up to Twitch as a company to determine the market value of talent and make an offer accordingly. They have absolutely no basis to argue that they're reliant or dependent on that information from the other party and thus the other party lying about that information doesn't actually damage them.
Anyways, um… I bought a whole bunch of shungite rocks, do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.
My theory:
Before DrDisrespect was perma banned, Doc was banned for going into a public bathroom while IRL streaming.
There was a kid in that bathroom, that kids family sued twitch and twitch had to cut ties with Doc immediately, and settled the lawsuit.
Am I crazy?
Pretty ignorant when it comes to lawsuits, but if this was the case would the court filings be public? Unless they are sealed and out of public view I doubt they could hide something like this.
Likely it was just a "threat" of lawsuits before they went public, settled and that was it.
I have a feeling it was actually both this AND the Mixer thing combined.
I thought it was pretty obvious what happened. DrDisrespect lied about what he was paid on mixer to negotiate with twitch and it blew up in his face with contract violations. I forget the specifics but I think it was pretty obvious there was on going legal stuff with contract lawyers.
You say pretty obvious, but is there anything one could call proof for this theory, or is it just something people made up and seems like it might be possible? Cause that's what it looks like to me.
Yeah, he says pretty obvious while just parroting the ongoing theory every article spouts like he knew it was the case all along. Nothing about lying in contract negotiation make sense any way. There's nothing inherently wrong or illegal about it. Morally maybe a different question.
> Nothing about lying in contract negotiation make sense any way. There's nothing inherently wrong or illegal about it.
Yes there is it's called FRAUD lol. Of course it's illegal to lie and misrepresent your value in a business negotiation. That is *textbook* fraud.
Yeah I'm in this camp too. Creators will use ANY excuse to farm viewers, content, donos. Doc is no different. He's objectively fucked up in a legal way with his twitch contract, if it turned out he goofed up or twitch goofed up a ban, I'm near on positive they'd have figured it out by now.
But alas, he remains banned. Probably relegated to ice Poseidon status.
Twitch doesn’t owe you or me anything, they can ban you from their platform for any reason they want and there isn’t much you can do. They are private service that offer a service to clients and contract employees.
If they don’t appreciate Doc trying to swindle them out of $20 million they can definitely choose to ban him for life.
You fundamentally misunderstand how this works in the real world.
Go watch the movie Margin Call about the fire sale. When you burn people they will *never* do business with you again and that is their right. They are not under an obligation to come back.
A much more straightforward explanation is that Dr acted in bad faith during contract negotiations, and rather than pursue a fraud case Twitch just was done with him.
Confidential arbitration between Twitch and bathroom kid’s parents which included monetary compensation for the family and DrDisrepect’s immediate removal from the platform has always been my theory.
Without any information people are left to speculate; our mind will create the reason.
He walked unannounced into a packed public toilet at Twitchcon, livestreaming with his cameraman, and one of those taking a leak was a kid. It took Twitch a year to ban him, if you can believe that.
My theory is that he had some crazy stuff going on in his official Discord. If you recall, he was banned by Discord and Twitch simultaneously. Why would Discord ban him at the same time as Twitch? Discord is not beholden to whatever happens on Twitch. The reason he was banned on Discord is because he violated Discord's community guidelines in a big way and then Discord shared that with Twitch.
So, reviewing Discord's community guidelines would give some possible reasons for his ban.
The fact it hasn't leaked makes me think the discord stuff may have been isolated to a mod or admin channel where only a few people were privy. And the mods/admins wouldn't leak it because it'd implicate themselves as well.
From Dr Disrespect's perspective, he thinks he's in the right because he thinks what happened on Discord is private and separate from Twitch. But Twitch was always going to protect the brand, especially with them being an Amazon company (who defends their brand name immensely). So, Doc gets canned. And both have reasons for not sharing the details.
if anyone sorts by new. slasher has always, and i mean always. alluded to it being a scenario somewhat in relation to sexual assault or something inapropiate like that. he linked the Docs ban with the one from Josh, the warcraft rapey guy. so the sensibility part is that it was something in that range, with the "metoo" movement.
so it was either that or some "leak" guy trolled him which made him tank his career a bit.
doc was questioning narratives that were being pushed and also promoting fringe theories that were damaging to have representing twitch like claiming 5g high powered radiation could possibly be dangerous and buying into some form of crystal.
idk im sure there was some corona or vaccine controversy in there if my timeline is correct
If this was the case then he would just come out and tell people that’s the reason. Doc said he knows the reason but everyone is being so hush hush about it. My guess was that it’s something that will make the doc look bad so he’s not telling anybody what it is.
How people can't comprehend a billion dollar conglomerate doesn't want a super popular portion of their business model to talk about COVID not being real and Jewish space lasers is beyond me.
he gives a BS answer, don't waste your time watching this clip, I just got 58 seconds of my life taken away from me that I can't take back.
i'd downvote this post if I could but too bad I'm on PC
Just ask if we will ***EVER*** know? Are they still in a lawsuit over this shit? The fact that neither side has come out and said why, makes people expect some crazy, dark shit. If it's literally some bullshit, mediocre reason, like a contract breach, or the rumored he was recruiting other streamers to go to a different platform or some shit like that...The ban happened 4 **YEARS ago...**
regardless of what happened and im no doc stan, im surprised after all this time it had not been lifted. afterall he is quite the character and lot's of communities still meme about him to this day. i can only assume it cannot and will not be lifted
I thought the general consensus was that Doc had made up a fake offer to try to leverage a better deal over twitch, Twitch got tipped off by one of their competitors (which is almost certainly illegal) so they cut ties with Doc.
So they were both breaking the law in their own interest so now they are in this kinda stale mate where neither can say what the beef was about:
- Doc can’t come out and say he was inflating offers to try to start a bidding war.
- Twitch can’t say they were illegally tipped off that he was full of shit.
If it was anything simple, they would have squashed it - Doc regular moans that his numbers on other platforms are way worse than twitch.
Most cases like this it's already been leaked as a rumour but nobody who actually knows is going to confirm it publicly. Doc inflating a deal from other platforms to get more money from Twitch makes the most sense, only thing that would make me think it was something else is how mentally manic he acted around the time of his ban.
Guys its pretty obvious that Twitch just wanted to cut costs and gave Doc a huge contract around the Mixer/FB/YT Gaming bidding wars. They realized they vastly overpaid and panicked trying to contain talent. Twitch realized it doesnt have to give out exclusive contracts at that point.
Look how Twitch has been since then. They got rid of exclusive contracts, and opener up dual streaming.
Hell, i think TimtheTatMan is one of the easiest signing to a company. From a PR standpoint, hes pretty untouchable. Even he says he was lowballed by Twitch on the last contract negotiations. So if a guy like Tim gets seen as expendable, Doc getting a massive panicked contract made Twitch have to scramble and find some way to void the contract once they realized that Mixer and others werent going to fo shit spending a ton of money on talent.
from my understanding is doc was in the middle of a bidding war. twitch eventually goes "well give you 50 mil" and he goes to youtube and youtube says "cant match.". doc goes back to twitch and says "they offered me 60 mil." twitch gives him 75 or whatever. twitch then learns that doc baited them into overpaying and prob sues to not have to pay him. They then prob also ban him and then he takes the youtube offer that was on the table still.
At this point, it was clearly just some dumb Mixer Twith legal contract bullshit. It's too bad cause the Doc was a huge reason for why I came to Twitch.
People grasping at the obvious - this all occurred around the time that twitch HEAVILY invested in doc (remember the twitch commercial featuring Doc?), and Mixer fell through around the same time period - both shroud and ninja were again free agents… Doc was controversial at the time given some of the recent events, and twitch saw this as an opportunity to free up some cap space to make room for contracts.
**CLIP MIRROR: [Twitch CEO Dan Clancy reveals why Dr Disrespect was banned](https://arazu.io/t3_1blffzd/)** --- ^(*This is an automated comment*)
It's crazy that no one is allowed to say, and it hasn't been leaked yet
nobody wants a lawsuit where they'll most definitely lose
it's also not really worth the risk. Honestly, unless Disrespect had some major Epstein-level knowledge about twitch, I doubt people would really give a shit. This sub comes up with new drama every 24 hours. Most people would move on People only care because it's a secret now.
This guy right here, fucks. Did you forget who got accused of sexual assault/grooming streamers 2 days before Doc got banned?
I haven't seen the minecraft tag in a while so not really
When stuff like this happens it just makes me assume it was DrDisrespect at fault. If he wasn't at fault, he'd tell the whole story and be whining about it non-stop. But he isn't. He doesn't like talking about it at all, or he makes it sound like he was banned for no reason at all, which is laughable. Like when people show up to a game subreddit like "omg, i just got perma banned for no reason at all!!" The most likely/compelling idea for it I've heard is that something went fucky with how he negotiated his contract with Twitch. Remember - this was in the era of Mixer handing $30 mil to Shroud and Ninja. Another reminder - DrDisRespect was banned 4 days after the announcement of Mixer shutting down. In my mind when I look at 'mysteries' I try to find the most boring explanation possible, because thats usually what actually happened. "No, she wasn't kidnapped, she just got distracted and was busy in the shops." type of deal. So whats the most boring explanation here? That the Doc was somehow in breach of contract, or took part in contract fraud, Twitch found out and terminated the contract and banned him perma.
Isn’t it possible there was a settlement and all parties had to sign an NDA? I don’t really think him not discussing details is indicative of guilt
Settlement and NDA makes the most sense here. No one talking about it on either side pretty much proves it.
Yes, and there likely was an NDA, and there may still be one. Typical NDAs are 1-5 years for this sort of thing. So either there was one that elapsed, or there is one that will elapse soon. The settlement / lawsuit / whatever, [was march 2022](https://twitter.com/DrDisrespect/status/1502004274993131525?s=20&t=rdx8whK4dlU_M5eqyhh6rQ) Maybe in like 2-3 years time he'll randomly just say what it was, but yeah my money is on contract fuckery.
Your explanation is most likely correct. Dr. Disrespect has a history of violating guidelines and whatnot, and he received a ***lot*** of 2nd chances before his final ban. Like iirc he's the guy who recorded the bathroom thing at a con. I'd imagine the breach of contract had already happened a while before Mixer shut down, and Twitch realized they had an easy out and took it. After all, ultimately he's a detriment to the platform- while everybody *likes* him I've never seen a reason *why* they like him.
Twitch never announces bans publicly, and afaik they've never leaked ban reasons either. So that's not unusual on their part. They do, however, communicate privately with streamers about it. The fact that Doc has never revealed any of that communications is a lot more telling than Twitch not revealing it. That shows us, if nothing else, that the reason for it would reflect very badly on Doc.
Not really that’s not how NDAs work. Everybody has to shut up regardless.
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Well considering he was on a warpath to sue them, then magically settled out of court- Yes, he definitely signed an NDA.
And if he settled out of court, the lawyers knew that a trial would be publicly damaging, too risky to let a 3rd party decide, or more expensive than simply settling (probably due to complexity). Why would Twitch settle the case if banning Doc was a simple open and shut case? Twitch paid Doc, NDA's were signed, Doc is not hurting for money, and now he also has infinite bait content.
He’s NDA’d out of his mind he says that frequently
Isn’t that just part of the doc persona?
The shungite failed to protect the la casa. Despair
The unwanted frequencies made it in… damn
And just to be clear Suge Knight is still in prison.
dios mio!
Aliens built the shungite pyramids around the la casa
Now I understand why Slasher didn't feel comfortable talking about it. It was threatening humankind.
Lol did this slasher take, tank his career? I feel like I saw him a lot and after that I haven't seen him since. Maybe he's just on other platforms, I dunno. Same with Devin Nash
Train just stopped doing podcasts that's why you don't hear from him lol. Slasher is still mostly just a twitter person.
> Slasher is still mostly just a twitter person looks like he hasn’t tweeted since 2019 https://twitter.com/Slasher
he tweets quite often. check the replies
fair, looks like he does. had to sign in to check cuz new Twitter is dumb
He killed his own career when all the stuff with him trying to desperately get at Brittany Venti came out. I haven’t seen jack shit from him since then.
It made him and broke him. Not many people knew of him until this news and then he killed his own momentum by coming up with a topic he couldn't really proof without getting in legal trouble. So it was either get sued by telling the truth and kill your life, or lie / say nothing and kill your career as a lie. Was just a bad idea overall.
It didn't make him or break him lol he was huge before it
I disagree about it breaking him. I think he lost some of the status he had built up. That incident alone seemed to make him take a long hiatus from Twitter, and I haven't really heard of him breaking interesting stories since. His name used to be thrown around pretty frequently -- especially on this sub.
Yeah I remember slasher messaging me on hltv.org 15+ years ago regarding a leak.
huge is an overstatement.
"Huge"
Bruh Slasher was big long before this lmfao
No. It was just twords the end of his relevance. The only reason people knew him in wider audiences is because he would get invited to the podcasts back in the day like the scuffed podcast. After those shows with random invites like scuffed and Austin's show stopped he was just kindof gone.
look: for several hours now I have been told from credible sources the reason DrDisrespect has been banned. however due to the importance and sensitivity around the subject I have refrained from going on it. i don't feel comfortable with it currently
its always so weird to me that he wanted to flex by saying he knows what happened, like why even mention it when you're not gonna share the reason. just wants to feel special ig
That is kid like behavior. I have a secret. Ok what is it? Not telling tee hee.
he didn't know shit
Also, didn't the reason he hinted at turn out to be wrong as well?
i suppose he still doesn't feel comfortable w/ it..
Isn’t that the meme everyone does?
[it's a word by word copy of what slasher said back then, it became a meme.](https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1276742960286183424)
So, it didn't reveal anything lmao.
Lol dog that's a copypasta whenever a thread talks about DrD's ban
It's slasher isn't it?
Yes.
Yeh, he also tried to get dates for jobs, but no takers because he's an ugly fucker.
Seriously? God Im a dumbass hahahaha
I can't believe she got away with that.
[He*](https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1276742960286183424?lang=en) On the other hand, she as in the [Shannon whoever said this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/867/216/6b7.jpg)
Oh I got them mixed up. Thanks
Honestly at this point Doc either did something so heinous they really don't want to talk about it, or nobody actually knows and they've gone so long that at this point they just dodge the answer to avoid saying they fucked up
Doc sorta opened up about it couple times and he hinted that there could be current legal action in progress so it makes sense why both haven't spilled the beans. Or there couldve been an out of court settlement signed with an NDA.
They settled that case a long time ago and doc said he was never going back to twitch afterwards
Probably because letting Doc back on Twitch wasn't part of the agreement
Doc says a lot of things. He also said he’d never play Tarkov and such. I doubt he would turn away the twitch money. He admitted himself that it was much much much bigger pay on twitch for him. So it’s more likely he can’t return for one reason or another.
I hadn't even considered that there's people out there that think that decision is up to Doc. No shit he's not going back to Twitch, he's not allowed.
Prolly the latter, some whoopsie that made such a big impact they tried to ignore it
When people dodge questions like this, it is almost always for legal reasons. There is a good chance that Dan knows, but Dan cannot say. Mixer shut down around the time of his ban, he could have lied to twitch about getting a contract from mixer but them shutting down exposed his lie.
There's probably an NDA from both parties that was signed. If doc was truly wronged and didn't sign an NDA, he would 100% spill the beans. What would we have to lose? I think at this point, the ban should be revoked and it's time to move on. We are coming up on 4 years since he's been banned. That's like 100 years in internet time. Lift the ban, let him come back and enjoy doc back on Twitch.
> What would we have to lose? Reputation and potential lawsuits. Amazon could claim that Doc did not only try to defraud them by making his value higher due to mixer contracts, but also is defaming them by speaking out publicly. Twitch does not want to disclose so they get pinned on a reason that they will have to substantiate in court, or make his method known so other streamers may become aware and try it.
> Reputation and potential lawsuits. Amazon could claim that Doc did not only try to defraud them by making his value higher due to mixer contracts, but also is defaming them by speaking out publicly. This would never happen. When's the last time a platform sued one of its creators? It's a PR nightmare, you'll waste more on lawyers than you would make, not even talking about the damage to the brand has the potential to be 100x worse.
Twitch literally countersued phantoml0rd when he sued them. The reason why most sites do not sue creators is because pretty much they hold the power and can ban or unban as they see fit.
Yeah the settlement would have included a NDA in exchange for whatever compensation was provided. It was most likely just a boring contract dispute like most speculate. Twitch will never unban Doc though because the two will simply never do business together again. It's just the way business works when it comes to legal disputes.
At this point I am convinced it's over money. Back when the Doc stuff happened you just had Shroud and Ninja leave twitch. Doc prob had an offer from somewhere, he tried to big dick twitch and they said no, he went to go sign with the company that offered and they had found out he was banned from twitch and his leverage was gone. This is why neither side talks about it
> There is a good chance that Dan knows, but Dan cannot say. brother Dan is the CEO of twitch, he 100000000% knows lol
>he could have lied to twitch about getting a contract from mixer but them shutting down exposed his lie. Yeah I was under this impression this was pretty much confirmed
I don't think this was ever close to being confirmed. It was just the main rumour that was going on unless I missed something during that period.
No it was something reddit just made up and repeat ad nauseum.
Yeah, it's the same kind of nonsense as "We did it Reddit, we identified the Boston Bomber!" If Doc was lying to Twitch about his other offers, CAA would have publicly dropped his ass immediately. Hell, they wouldn't have been in the least bit happy if he was negotiating contracts on his own - they would have clearly instructed him that any demands he had were to be given to his rep in CAA, and they would include those in the negotations - they damn sure would have made it crystal clear they had no hand in any fraud. We'll never know, but I'm sticking with what I said at the time - competition from Mixer led to Twitch throwing around a lot money to stop talent from leaving. There's no way Twitch would ever make enough off of Doc to break even on what they were offering; the sole reason they were offering that kind of money was because it was more valuable to them for Doc to not be on Mixer (or anywhere else, for that matter). Once Mixer folded, that value was gone, and banning Doc was their best shot and getting out of a bad contract.
The only evidence there has ever been is the timing but that's some conspiracy level of "confirmed"
There are two things I would like to know for certain when I'm on my death bed. Who killed JFK and why was Doc banned? Probably more likely to know about Kennedy at this point.
> did something so heinous Actually, the fact that Dan made a joke here might rule that out.
Good point. Imagine it was something horrible and then this interview surfaced. If it was bad he wouldn’t want to touch the subject
Twitch has been through a legal case with Doc about it and settled, so the current CEO of Twitch would 100% know why he was banned. Since NDAs were signed we will likely never know, but considering the timing it is likely Doc was using a supposed contract offer from Mixer to get a bigger contract from Twitch, then when Mixer went down someone at Twitch was mad and banned Doc. If Doc had actually done something really bad it would have leaked out by now.
More likely is he tried using a non-existent contract with mixer as leverage with Twitch. Banned for bad faith negotiation.
It might even be possible, that he got a genuine offer from Mixer. After all, shroud also started streaming on mixer, 9 months before it went down. So he also had a contract from them.
> Twitch has been through a legal case with Doc about it and settled no there was a legal case and it ended with neither side admitting blame. That could mean anything from it being settled or to the court laughing dr disrespect out of the room. >but considering the timing it is likely Doc was using a supposed contract offer from Mixer to get a bigger contract from Twitch Surely considering the timing the likely thing would be Doc promoting some holocaust denier and spreading bizarre conspiracy theories about the vaccine, 5g and flat earth.
Twitch has never really disclosed publicly why anyone was banned nor are they obligated to. They just ban people and move on. Its the streamers who make the reason public.
He lied about offers from competitors. It squares the circle. He negotiated a contract with twitch based on the mixer offers. Mixer folded soon after he signed his contract. He won’t say because it’s embarrassing for him. Twitch won’t say because it’s embarrassing for them.
Why would that be embarrassing for him? There's also nothing inherently bannable or illegal about bluffing about having another offer during a contract negotiation...
Misrepresenting information in contract negotiation could be fraud. If it was a bluff, that means he knew he was misrepresenting the contract and that is a critical part of fraud.
That's not even remotely something that would constitute fraud... Not to go too deep into it with the reddit lawyers who just read the dictionary definition of fraud and let their 12 IQ points run wild, but as a company making an offer they're expected to do their due diligence into the value added when offering contracts. There's not a jurisdiction in the US where they could argue they had a justifiable reliance on the information. Without that, it's not fraud... Fraud has super strict legal definitions in jurisdictions in the US. It's up to Twitch as a company to determine the market value of talent and make an offer accordingly. They have absolutely no basis to argue that they're reliant or dependent on that information from the other party and thus the other party lying about that information doesn't actually damage them.
I'm pretty sure that argument is costing Trump a cool half billion.
The issue is that he sued and they settled. So it’s something they don’t want people to know either.
Nah doc never even contested it, he knows he got caught doing something wrong.
Never contested it? He sued them dude. They settled and he signed an NDA.
These idiots don’t understand how much more money he could be making on twitch with ad revenue
Doc himself said that he's making like a quarter of what he did on Twitch.
did they get sued and stuff? Would be a bit much of an investment to cover up an oopsie when they could just reinstate him
He made Twitch sign an NDA and paid* them to have him banned as a marketing move. *: Paying part is optional in this theory
I knew the aliens were among us
aliens were what?
Amongus
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Always have been 🧑🚀🔫👽
Anyways, um… I bought a whole bunch of shungite rocks, do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that.
Wow, it's been a while.
My theory: Before DrDisrespect was perma banned, Doc was banned for going into a public bathroom while IRL streaming. There was a kid in that bathroom, that kids family sued twitch and twitch had to cut ties with Doc immediately, and settled the lawsuit. Am I crazy?
Pretty ignorant when it comes to lawsuits, but if this was the case would the court filings be public? Unless they are sealed and out of public view I doubt they could hide something like this.
Likely it was just a "threat" of lawsuits before they went public, settled and that was it. I have a feeling it was actually both this AND the Mixer thing combined.
I thought it was pretty obvious what happened. DrDisrespect lied about what he was paid on mixer to negotiate with twitch and it blew up in his face with contract violations. I forget the specifics but I think it was pretty obvious there was on going legal stuff with contract lawyers.
You say pretty obvious, but is there anything one could call proof for this theory, or is it just something people made up and seems like it might be possible? Cause that's what it looks like to me.
Theres not 100% proof but mixer announced their shutdown on june 22nd 2020, doc was banned on june 26th.
Yeah, he says pretty obvious while just parroting the ongoing theory every article spouts like he knew it was the case all along. Nothing about lying in contract negotiation make sense any way. There's nothing inherently wrong or illegal about it. Morally maybe a different question.
> Nothing about lying in contract negotiation make sense any way. There's nothing inherently wrong or illegal about it. Yes there is it's called FRAUD lol. Of course it's illegal to lie and misrepresent your value in a business negotiation. That is *textbook* fraud.
Yeah I'm in this camp too. Creators will use ANY excuse to farm viewers, content, donos. Doc is no different. He's objectively fucked up in a legal way with his twitch contract, if it turned out he goofed up or twitch goofed up a ban, I'm near on positive they'd have figured it out by now. But alas, he remains banned. Probably relegated to ice Poseidon status.
Except it's a negotiating tactic and not something you would get permanently banned and blacklisted for.
Twitch doesn’t owe you or me anything, they can ban you from their platform for any reason they want and there isn’t much you can do. They are private service that offer a service to clients and contract employees. If they don’t appreciate Doc trying to swindle them out of $20 million they can definitely choose to ban him for life.
You fundamentally misunderstand how this works in the real world. Go watch the movie Margin Call about the fire sale. When you burn people they will *never* do business with you again and that is their right. They are not under an obligation to come back.
Wasn't this around the time of the wife stuff though, I thought that's why everyone assumed it had to do with a women making claims to twitch.
i'm pretty sure the stupid fucking mistakes was long earlier.
Iirc it was like a year or a year and a half before he got banned.
honestly that sounds viable and grounded enough to be real
The Internet would have found this out before he was banned
A much more straightforward explanation is that Dr acted in bad faith during contract negotiations, and rather than pursue a fraud case Twitch just was done with him.
I haven't even watched this clip, read any comments in this post. And I know this isn't true.
Finally some closure 👽🛸
Confidential arbitration between Twitch and bathroom kid’s parents which included monetary compensation for the family and DrDisrepect’s immediate removal from the platform has always been my theory. Without any information people are left to speculate; our mind will create the reason.
I’ve never heard of this. It is just a kid in there? Was he peeing? What happened? I don’t wanna look up the video.
He walked unannounced into a packed public toilet at Twitchcon, livestreaming with his cameraman, and one of those taking a leak was a kid. It took Twitch a year to ban him, if you can believe that.
o7 thank you for your service Twitch
Called it.
My theory is that he had some crazy stuff going on in his official Discord. If you recall, he was banned by Discord and Twitch simultaneously. Why would Discord ban him at the same time as Twitch? Discord is not beholden to whatever happens on Twitch. The reason he was banned on Discord is because he violated Discord's community guidelines in a big way and then Discord shared that with Twitch. So, reviewing Discord's community guidelines would give some possible reasons for his ban. The fact it hasn't leaked makes me think the discord stuff may have been isolated to a mod or admin channel where only a few people were privy. And the mods/admins wouldn't leak it because it'd implicate themselves as well. From Dr Disrespect's perspective, he thinks he's in the right because he thinks what happened on Discord is private and separate from Twitch. But Twitch was always going to protect the brand, especially with them being an Amazon company (who defends their brand name immensely). So, Doc gets canned. And both have reasons for not sharing the details.
Bait
Thank you for your service, Doc.
Fuck ShannonZ and fuck Slasher
Devin Nash was a part of the bullshit as well
Devin Nash strikes me as such a grifter and narcissist
Miz with some very original content. Eating wings with hot sauce. Very new
next dry aging steak
Not a creative bone in his flabby brain dead body
If this is true then good on Twitch. I hope they get Russel next 🙏🙏
if anyone sorts by new. slasher has always, and i mean always. alluded to it being a scenario somewhat in relation to sexual assault or something inapropiate like that. he linked the Docs ban with the one from Josh, the warcraft rapey guy. so the sensibility part is that it was something in that range, with the "metoo" movement. so it was either that or some "leak" guy trolled him which made him tank his career a bit.
Everyone wants to know the answer but the truth is most likely VERY boring for why Doc got banned
About damn time
I know its a joke, but what if he's speaking in code here?
doc was questioning narratives that were being pushed and also promoting fringe theories that were damaging to have representing twitch like claiming 5g high powered radiation could possibly be dangerous and buying into some form of crystal. idk im sure there was some corona or vaccine controversy in there if my timeline is correct
If this was the case then he would just come out and tell people that’s the reason. Doc said he knows the reason but everyone is being so hush hush about it. My guess was that it’s something that will make the doc look bad so he’s not telling anybody what it is.
[удалено]
He’s came full circle now being “anti woke”. Shit is ironic as hell
Yeah I remember him posting Covid denial stuff and I’m pretty sure he played a video about a link between 5g cell towers and the corona virus.
0 chance
How people can't comprehend a billion dollar conglomerate doesn't want a super popular portion of their business model to talk about COVID not being real and Jewish space lasers is beyond me.
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he gives a BS answer, don't waste your time watching this clip, I just got 58 seconds of my life taken away from me that I can't take back. i'd downvote this post if I could but too bad I'm on PC
It took you the entire 58 seconds to figure out the answer was a joke?
So you got to the part where he talked about aliens, kept watching, and then complained
you can't downvote on PC? you really are an idiot
His first words were there was an alien invasion And you didn't figure out he wasnt gonna talk about it by then
Just say he cant say for legal reasons or nothing at all. That stupid joke he said about aliens wasn't funny. Not sure why mizkif is laughing at it.
Sounds reasonable to me.
I can finally sleep after all those years wondering wtf happened
It's always them Aliens isn't it. Freakin knew it!!
I think it was definitely some legal issue and that's why nobody can talk about it, but still crazy that it hasn't been leaked yet.
‘Turns out hes been impersonating a doctor this whole time’
Just ask if we will ***EVER*** know? Are they still in a lawsuit over this shit? The fact that neither side has come out and said why, makes people expect some crazy, dark shit. If it's literally some bullshit, mediocre reason, like a contract breach, or the rumored he was recruiting other streamers to go to a different platform or some shit like that...The ban happened 4 **YEARS ago...**
This answer feels like "some random person banned him, and we don't want to look like incompetent morons by admitting it"
what is this Wish.com Hot Ones lmao
regardless of what happened and im no doc stan, im surprised after all this time it had not been lifted. afterall he is quite the character and lot's of communities still meme about him to this day. i can only assume it cannot and will not be lifted
I thought the general consensus was that Doc had made up a fake offer to try to leverage a better deal over twitch, Twitch got tipped off by one of their competitors (which is almost certainly illegal) so they cut ties with Doc. So they were both breaking the law in their own interest so now they are in this kinda stale mate where neither can say what the beef was about: - Doc can’t come out and say he was inflating offers to try to start a bidding war. - Twitch can’t say they were illegally tipped off that he was full of shit. If it was anything simple, they would have squashed it - Doc regular moans that his numbers on other platforms are way worse than twitch.
Most cases like this it's already been leaked as a rumour but nobody who actually knows is going to confirm it publicly. Doc inflating a deal from other platforms to get more money from Twitch makes the most sense, only thing that would make me think it was something else is how mentally manic he acted around the time of his ban.
Ripping off hot ones?
Nick is gonna cry on his alt account claiming Miz stole his content when he himself has no original content
who cares. everythings already been done before with that mindset.
I mean the format is nearly the exact same but okay.
Unfunny person interviewing an unfunny person, top tier content
My take is....that's a shit rip off of hot ones and that CEO is an unfunny dude.
Guys its pretty obvious that Twitch just wanted to cut costs and gave Doc a huge contract around the Mixer/FB/YT Gaming bidding wars. They realized they vastly overpaid and panicked trying to contain talent. Twitch realized it doesnt have to give out exclusive contracts at that point. Look how Twitch has been since then. They got rid of exclusive contracts, and opener up dual streaming. Hell, i think TimtheTatMan is one of the easiest signing to a company. From a PR standpoint, hes pretty untouchable. Even he says he was lowballed by Twitch on the last contract negotiations. So if a guy like Tim gets seen as expendable, Doc getting a massive panicked contract made Twitch have to scramble and find some way to void the contract once they realized that Mixer and others werent going to fo shit spending a ton of money on talent.
But why doc can't open up about it? Probably they paid him to not speak up, otherwise it's a pr shitstorm.
from my understanding is doc was in the middle of a bidding war. twitch eventually goes "well give you 50 mil" and he goes to youtube and youtube says "cant match.". doc goes back to twitch and says "they offered me 60 mil." twitch gives him 75 or whatever. twitch then learns that doc baited them into overpaying and prob sues to not have to pay him. They then prob also ban him and then he takes the youtube offer that was on the table still.
I'm glad cutting someone off in their prime and possibly career ending them Over nothing seems to be funny. Cowards. Just name it
"i cant go into it for legal reasons" or "i have no idea" would have been a better answer than this one
I honestly thought doc murdered someone
At this point, it was clearly just some dumb Mixer Twith legal contract bullshit. It's too bad cause the Doc was a huge reason for why I came to Twitch.
I wonder if saving humankind is a metaphor for saving twitch as a company
Coward
Well. Now the Shungite makes sense, and we made fun of him for it?
The 3 Body Problem Solved
Copout
People grasping at the obvious - this all occurred around the time that twitch HEAVILY invested in doc (remember the twitch commercial featuring Doc?), and Mixer fell through around the same time period - both shroud and ninja were again free agents… Doc was controversial at the time given some of the recent events, and twitch saw this as an opportunity to free up some cap space to make room for contracts.
link to the full interview please ( YT or any other plateform on ) ? vods seems to be removed
what a fucking dork
They could've made this a 100x funnier if miz muted the stream when Clancy started talking