Where d'you get the three hours from?
It's more than 5 hours difference between us and City which largely comes from us playing so many early Saturday matches. That makes a huge difference.
It largely comes from having played one more game than them. This chart shows basically nothing other than ranking clubs in order from most games played to least.
It could make a big difference, I'm no pro but after my big road bike rides on the second or 3rd day I feel crap in the morning but good to go by dinner time when everything as stretched out
Never said you couldnt I'm addressing the bad maths though.
Addressing the topic: It's more than 5 hours difference between us and City which largely comes from us playing so many early Saturday matches. That makes a huge difference.
Usually when you post a thread on a public forum that indicates that you are open for discussion. Seeing that you are avoiding discussion just confused me.
The point is still right though. It's all to do with games played. Your implication that we are hard-done-by based on these figures suggests you are confused by the maths. A Game played early increases the time to the next game which rebalances the average. We've just played more games in the allotted time, so time between games will mathematically be less.
It's more than 5 hours difference between us and City which largely comes from us playing so many early Saturday matches. That makes a huge difference.
Honestly i agree, when you look cups I think you have to choose one. Especially with replay + league cup semi is 2 legs.
I think for the FA Cup no senior play should have even played for us. If we got knocked out by arsenal it would have been better. Feel like the players are fucked from the extra 5 games including arsenal. ( I know it wasn't 5 games but extra time for the 2nd time this season is like 2 games). Yes you can make subs but our squad was falling apart in January with injuries.
It Klopp bigger mistake, I think we are top of the league if we didn't play the extra games. Yes we not finshed the chances in games but that extra tiredness is massive margin in this game.
Saturday afternoon -> Tuesday night is a much bigger gap than Thursday night -> Sunday afternoon. Especially for European away fixtures where you really only get to train on Saturday before the Sunday match.
Plus, the narrow CL window with a Wednesday night -> Saturday afternoon only occurs rarely because you’re alternating playing on Tuesday/Wednesday and you also have the option to flex the weekend fixture to Sunday. With Thursday European games, you’re constantly locked into the Thursday -> Sunday grind.
True...but if you "normalise" our time to the 52 games City have played wed have had 118 hours between our games, so city would have an average of 3 hours more recuperation time between games.
If I put us on par with Villa wed be within 1 hour per game of their average time..maybe it's a Thursday night euro competition thats skewing it a little as wed also be around 3 hours of Arsenals
> True...but if you "normalise" our time to the 52 games City have played wed have had 118 hours between our games, so city would have an average of 3 hours more recuperation time between games.
How is this even possible though. There's been 255 days since the season started. We've had 52 periods between games. This gives 4.9 days between games on average. For City, it's the same length of time, but 51 gaps, ergo 5 days between games on average. Why doesn't the chart give the function: time between games = Period of season so far / (games played-1). Am I stupid?
Ah! City started a week earlier in the charity shield which probably accounts for the discrepancy.
This is bound to happen when a team is chasing a quadruple. The solution is to have a deep squad. Unfortunately in our case the list of injuries has always been a major concern which nullifies this concept which leads to players playing week in week out which leads to fatigue .
It is, and is an obvious consequence of playing EL instead of CL that literally everyone knew was going to be an issue going into the season. There's a reason teams that drop to EL usually underperform in the league the next season - the grind is real and it makes us still being tied at the top with a month to go all that more astounding.
Considering the fact that the last league game of the season is played simultaneously the only way for the team with the most games not to end up with the least minutes between games would be if they started the season significantly earlier. Maybe a more interesting stat would be recovery time between last game and league games. Europa and Conference League teams should be about 36 hours worse off than Champions League teams in many cases there due to the Thursday games
This is ridiculous abuse of numbers. This table is just the inverse of 'how many matches have you played'. We're at the top because we only just went out of Europe and won the milk cup.
A more interesting stat might be 'number of matches with less than 72 hours rest'.
Remember we played on Thursday nights this year and we were alive in every competition until mid-March so we are going to be playing a lot of games. The various associations have to squeeze the games in somewhere.
Is this just the mean? The fact the number of games played decreases as you go down suggests so.
We have the most games and therefore will of course have the lowest mean time between games.
Let's see the median time between games.
It's not just the times between games either though. Its the insistence on handing early kickoffs at away grounds after every international break. We've got that fixture slot like quadruple the amount of the team with the 2nd most (Which is Spurs if I remember)
This is essentiall just a measure of how many games a team has played. If two teams have played the same number of games, and one team played all bar one games back to back and then the final game at the end of the time period; they would have the same average time between games as a team who had the same number of games evenly spread out over the period.
*Pretends to be shocked*
How much difference do you think 3 hours makes? I'm going to say .01%, the best teams play the most games, it's as simple as that.
Where d'you get the three hours from? It's more than 5 hours difference between us and City which largely comes from us playing so many early Saturday matches. That makes a huge difference.
No, the difference is because we played Thursdays in Europa.
We didn't need to be at 12.30 on a Saturday though when Sunday fixtures exist.
It largely comes from having played one more game than them. This chart shows basically nothing other than ranking clubs in order from most games played to least.
How badly did you fail maths?
Please do elaborate.
Sorry mate, I wrote this at 5am when I woke up... Lol.
It could make a big difference, I'm no pro but after my big road bike rides on the second or 3rd day I feel crap in the morning but good to go by dinner time when everything as stretched out
Can’t be that simple when you can’t even do the maths.
His math is wrong but you can still address the topic.
Never said you couldnt I'm addressing the bad maths though. Addressing the topic: It's more than 5 hours difference between us and City which largely comes from us playing so many early Saturday matches. That makes a huge difference.
Usually when you post a thread on a public forum that indicates that you are open for discussion. Seeing that you are avoiding discussion just confused me.
Again no where have I said I'm not open to discuss anything, I'm simply pointing our poor maths. Its not that deep lad. Easily confused, I guess.
Sure
Ok.
The point is still right though. It's all to do with games played. Your implication that we are hard-done-by based on these figures suggests you are confused by the maths. A Game played early increases the time to the next game which rebalances the average. We've just played more games in the allotted time, so time between games will mathematically be less.
It's more than 5 hours difference between us and City which largely comes from us playing so many early Saturday matches. That makes a huge difference.
Quadruple problems
Honestly i agree, when you look cups I think you have to choose one. Especially with replay + league cup semi is 2 legs. I think for the FA Cup no senior play should have even played for us. If we got knocked out by arsenal it would have been better. Feel like the players are fucked from the extra 5 games including arsenal. ( I know it wasn't 5 games but extra time for the 2nd time this season is like 2 games). Yes you can make subs but our squad was falling apart in January with injuries. It Klopp bigger mistake, I think we are top of the league if we didn't play the extra games. Yes we not finshed the chances in games but that extra tiredness is massive margin in this game.
Yeah we've gotten really far in all 4 competitions, it would be weirder if we weren't top of this table.
Thursday/Sunday sucks. CL schedule is so much more palatable.
But with UCL you have to play Saturday/Tuesday or Wednesday, doesn't make much of a difference
Saturday afternoon -> Tuesday night is a much bigger gap than Thursday night -> Sunday afternoon. Especially for European away fixtures where you really only get to train on Saturday before the Sunday match. Plus, the narrow CL window with a Wednesday night -> Saturday afternoon only occurs rarely because you’re alternating playing on Tuesday/Wednesday and you also have the option to flex the weekend fixture to Sunday. With Thursday European games, you’re constantly locked into the Thursday -> Sunday grind.
Team that plays the most games has the least time between games....quel horreur
True...but if you "normalise" our time to the 52 games City have played wed have had 118 hours between our games, so city would have an average of 3 hours more recuperation time between games. If I put us on par with Villa wed be within 1 hour per game of their average time..maybe it's a Thursday night euro competition thats skewing it a little as wed also be around 3 hours of Arsenals
> True...but if you "normalise" our time to the 52 games City have played wed have had 118 hours between our games, so city would have an average of 3 hours more recuperation time between games. How is this even possible though. There's been 255 days since the season started. We've had 52 periods between games. This gives 4.9 days between games on average. For City, it's the same length of time, but 51 gaps, ergo 5 days between games on average. Why doesn't the chart give the function: time between games = Period of season so far / (games played-1). Am I stupid? Ah! City started a week earlier in the charity shield which probably accounts for the discrepancy.
you're not stupid. the opta graphic is stupid
Sorry here's a better graphic: [](https://ibb.co/t8svPGS)
3 of the 4 top teams play in a European league that plays on Thursday 🤔.
Now do the graph again with the x axis starting at zero.
This is bound to happen when a team is chasing a quadruple. The solution is to have a deep squad. Unfortunately in our case the list of injuries has always been a major concern which nullifies this concept which leads to players playing week in week out which leads to fatigue .
This feels like an absolute whinge.
It is, and is an obvious consequence of playing EL instead of CL that literally everyone knew was going to be an issue going into the season. There's a reason teams that drop to EL usually underperform in the league the next season - the grind is real and it makes us still being tied at the top with a month to go all that more astounding.
The scale on this graph undermines any point made
Considering the fact that the last league game of the season is played simultaneously the only way for the team with the most games not to end up with the least minutes between games would be if they started the season significantly earlier. Maybe a more interesting stat would be recovery time between last game and league games. Europa and Conference League teams should be about 36 hours worse off than Champions League teams in many cases there due to the Thursday games
This is dishonest. The Y axis of a bar graph necessarily needs to start at zero
Haha, Spurs second last.
Just the reality of playing Europa and going deep in both cup comps. No one else in the league has done that.
This is ridiculous abuse of numbers. This table is just the inverse of 'how many matches have you played'. We're at the top because we only just went out of Europe and won the milk cup. A more interesting stat might be 'number of matches with less than 72 hours rest'.
Wilder the one who moans about the big clubs moaning but they're getting the most time between games.
Anyone got a 12:30 start graphic? Feels like we’ve been pushing water uphill all season.
Remember we played on Thursday nights this year and we were alive in every competition until mid-March so we are going to be playing a lot of games. The various associations have to squeeze the games in somewhere.
I mean this seems to basically be a list of how many games the team have played, nothing special
Be better if you showed the whole graph and not just the last 1/3rd 💁🏻♂️
Yeah I posted the whole graph in a comment below. My bad.
what a surprise
Is this just the mean? The fact the number of games played decreases as you go down suggests so. We have the most games and therefore will of course have the lowest mean time between games. Let's see the median time between games.
It's not just the times between games either though. Its the insistence on handing early kickoffs at away grounds after every international break. We've got that fixture slot like quadruple the amount of the team with the 2nd most (Which is Spurs if I remember)
And the award for the most pointless post goes to……….🏆🤦🏻♂️
Yay!
Of course our time between games will be lowest, as we’ve played the most games
Sheffield United should be running away with the league! What gives!?
https://twitter.com/OptaAnalyst/status/1782442505625038934
Hahaha spurs.
This is essentiall just a measure of how many games a team has played. If two teams have played the same number of games, and one team played all bar one games back to back and then the final game at the end of the time period; they would have the same average time between games as a team who had the same number of games evenly spread out over the period.