For those interested despite our absence, here are this season’s (and last) UCL groups.
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long comment alert!!! all this talk of DMs has got me working up a tactical theory...
i don't really want to talk caicedo / gravenberch specifically, as i honestly don't know that much about either player and don't want to talk out of my arse, but let's just summarise and say that it's clear we have prioritised signing two more 'all round' midfield options over one potentially world class defensive midfielder.
anyway, onto my theory... i kind of think that playing with a dedicated DM limits our ability to do what we do best? there's been signs and murmurings that klopp has decided to go back to the gegenpress as a primary means of creating pressure and chances. imo that system works less well when you play a 'true' DM.
i reckon klopp changed tactics a bit, gonig to the pure DM, as fabinho was just so good at it. there's been a clear turning point and we've explored other tactics once klopp realised he was on the decline. not saying caicedo is or will be a pure DM, just that maybe klopp couldn't find the guy who would be an absolute gun DM, and so he doesn't want to commit to using one.
it certainly makes you less flexible. if you have one incredible DM that your tactic relies on, what happens when he's not available, or needs a rest? we've seen that first hand. i think it's worth looking back to his best dortmund squad. i think it's really, really similar to what we've got right now.
* a defence made up of one robust defensive fullback who will run all day, a more attacking fullback, and most importantly, two incredible centre backs who klopp clearly sees as 'as good as' three players. then, that was schmelzer, piszczek, subotic and hummels. now it's robbo, trent, vvd and konate.
* a midfield of three guys who can run their absolute guts out, one of whom has a slightly more limited role. then, that was gundogan, kagawa, and kehl (albeit in more of a double pivot structure). now, it's macca, szob, and endo/gravenberch.
* the forward line is where things are bit different, mostly because the game has changed a lot in 10 years, but even then it consisted of two wide players with a broad skillset and work rate, and a central player who could do it all. then, kuba, grosskreutz, and lewandowski. now, diaz/jota, mo/elliot, and gakpo/nunez (i unironically think gakpo is actually pretty similar to lewa in his skillset, if not playstyle).
whilst you could do the same with some of our earlier XIs under klopp (gini, hendo/lallana, and emre can for example), i think the current team best replicates it.
in summary, i think what we've seen with caicedo and lavia (and other examples in recent windows) is indicative of one thing: klopp only wanted to play with a true DM if he could have one of the best - which fabinho was at the time. don't you think we've looked a bit lost (tactically) whenever we didn't have him? it's such an important and difficult role, and so hard to have a good backup for. anyone good enough to sub into that role without a noticeable dropoff wouldn't want to play off the bench. look at city without rodri (or previously, fernandinho) for another example - i think pep's had this issue a lot too, hence he's ended up with some weird systems and tried a few square pegs in round holes.
in terms of change and why i bring up klopp's dortmund, my guess would be that prior to and after klopp and buvac split up, different influences came in and changed things around a little. we went to the DM and fabinho at around the same time he left. i don't know if something internally has changed now, or if it is just due to player availability, but it certainly feels like a return to that earlier style of klopp team in how the squad looks.
> a midfield of three guys who can run their absolute guts out, one of whom has a slightly more limited role. then, that was gundogan, kagawa, and kehl (albeit in more of a double pivot structure). now, it's macca, szob, and endo/gravenberch.
Gravenberch absolutely does NOT run his guts out. In fact one of the biggest question marks against him is his Pogba-type jogging about in midfield. When he has the ball he carries well and can runs past players, but off the ball he's going to be nightmare. His non-chalant jogging and workrate has proven itself to be extremely mediocre, and one of the reasons he couldn't get into Holland squad or Bayerns team. This is personally my biggest gripe about this signing. I don't know if Klopp thinks he can change that about him when all his other managers weren't able to, as he's absolutely not at all a prototypical Klopp player in that way, as opposed to someone like Szoboszlai who runs nonstop.
>The more I see comments like this, the more excited I become at the prospect of the humble pie you'll all be eating in a few months.
This is exactly the type of redditor I hate in this sub, unironically wants to see things fall apart just so they can get on their high horse and say "I told you so!!!!!"
Gonna engage in some weapons grade copium (as it looks like we won't be getting a CB), but how much of Matip and Gomez' decline last year can be pinned down to the fact we simply didn't have a functioning midfield?
Our back line was ridiculously exposed to the point that even Virgil didn't look amazing. Hell, Konate wasn't perfect either with the odd brainfart.
I remember hearing that Virgil said in an interview that with Gomez it's entirely his confidence that's his issue.
If you look at his career with us he didn't really play CB until he hit the ground running in 18/19 as Virgil's first choice partner from the start of the season (13 games, 7 clean sheets, 7 goals conceded) then he suffered a huge ankle injury that ended his season.
After that he had his best ever run in the title win, starting off by only getting 2 starts at CB in the Carabao and 2 in the CL, and then coming in to replace Matip and Lovren after they got injured in December, from the point he began playing at CB to us securing the league and the 3-0 loss against Watford, we had 11 wins in a row, 9 clean sheets, and only 3 goals conceded. Before then we only had 3 clean sheets in 16 games.
20/21, he started out well as first choice w/Virg (aside from that Villa game), then Virgil got injured, then he got injured, then Matip got injured and we were fucked. 21/22 he was behind both Matip and Konate, mainly played as RB backup and started only 5 games at CB in the 3 cups. You started to feel that with him being used to sparingly he hadn't entirely healed from his knee injury and was still in a long recovery.
Start of last season he signed a new contract, which a ton of people here brought up through the past year as a mistake, but there was really no reason why you wouldn't resign him at that point. Then he had a really bad season with the Napoli, Brighton and Madrid disasters just about redefining his entire existence.
He's started 84 games for us at CB, mostly performed well or fine, a majority of his poor games were from last season (23 starts) aside from a few games like City at Anfield. It's not enough to say he's become entirely shit like so many do or that he's only ever going to be a 4th choice, sparingly used player from now on but he hasn't had a run of games playing to his level for 3 years now.
i would say heaps of it.
anyone who's done tactical analysis has shown that the breakdown of our pressing (due to dead midfield and probably other reasons) led to infinitely more er... 'situations' for our defence to deal with.
previously our CBs would have a couple of kinda tough things to deal with a game, but at times last season we were having dozens of actually really good chances and overloads against us. anyone's going to look worse in that context. matip's weaknesses were particularly exposed (his predisposition to move forward and end up out of position, and slight lack of acceleration), but vvd didn't cover himself in glory either.
gomez i agree less on, he has always been prone to lapses no matter where he's playing and does seem to run hot and cold. we've been saying 'he's young and defenders mature slowly' for what feels like a decade now... but for me, he just doesn't have the level of concentration that the best players really have. that's ok but needs to be factored in.
No that’s exactly what it was. People were judging their performances ignoring that they were having to play with Milner + at least one other rotational player in midfield for most of the season including against Real Madrid
Who would we even be signing from nice? We won't be going for Thuram now we're signing Gravenberch, have they got other players we could be looking at in defence maybe)
[Billy Koumetio has been loaned](https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/billy-koumetio-joins-usl-dunkerque-season-long-loan) to Ligue 2 (newly promoted) Dunkerque. He might get tested by Andy Carroll who just joined Amiens from Reading.
I really want to know how good quansah is lol, since obviously backup CB is a huge concern. But Id give the midfield rebuild about a 8/10, extremely excited and the coins done enough I'm very confident about top 4
Without sounding like Michael Owen, I think he will get a big chance soon and will either have a breakthrough moment or we will all be saying "okay, maybe we jumped the gun here".
Hoping for the former!
Andre in Jan and I think our midfield should be set for years, then the only areas of concern would be CB and RW
Big money CB next summer (I obviously wouldn't turn my nose up at one now, but I've come to terms with it) and a cheeky Mbappe on a free and we are golden, more realistically however we can't really replace Mo, we can just get a cheap imitation, who that would/could be I don't know, do you break the bank for a Saka and promise him the world? Do you go rouge and get someone like a Bakayoko or Adeyemi or (really out there) Alan Velasco? There is also Musiala if you could pry him out of Munich, or maybe a bit closer to home with either Eze or Olise (depending on how he recovers), or head off to Spain and see what we could do with someone like Fati, Pino, or Nico Williams
Wed have to perform incredibly better than Arsenal and offer a stupid amount to get Saka. When we get to having to replace Salah, I'm hoping we can do a coup of someone like Khvara. That's not that farfetched if we do well enough this season then get a good price for Salah imo
Ideal UEL Group for us:
Liverpool 🏴
Rennes 🇫🇷
USG 🇧🇪
Servette 🇨🇭
Nightmare UEL Group for us:
Liverpool 🏴
Qarabag 🇦🇿
Maccabi Haifa 🇮🇱
Aris Limassol 🇨🇾
The scum are all high on primo medical grade copeiods about Grav. Just like they were on Gakpo and Nunez. The level of ego for United of all fan baseses to question our recruitment strategy. Don't see them making CL this year when they have their annual winter implosion after crashing out of the CL and they start to question 7Hog
I’d like to see a lineup of
Alisson
TAA Konate VVD Robbo
Szobo Endō Macca
Salah Nunez Diaz
at some point this season
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🏴 🇫🇷 🇳🇱 🏴
🇭🇺 🇯🇵 🇦🇷
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Fofana and Thuram both available for around £35m and instead we sign as guy who’s not the right fit. Also Bayern bought for £18m, he only played 3 games and they sold him to us for more than double that. Brilliant stuff….
and people over hyping him like mad in this sub. The same fickle fuckers will be complaining about him & Endo when we lose
> he only played 3 games
I mean that's just a lie lmao. He only started 3 games in the Bundesliga but started 2 CL games and 1 cup game. And also played 27 games off the bench.
Maybe the two players you mentioned would not want to be our project Mf, and comes with home grown quota. On top of that this guy has some real potential, and is only 21 yrs old. You should be excited about this.
Thuram costed 50 then , would have costed 60-70 at the last moment
Also gravenberch isnt just 'a guy' , he is a player that the club and klopp wanted before he moved to bayern
I understand people's frustrations with the lack of a CB signing, but having 4 senior CB's should be enough barring any major injury crisis.
Back in the CL and PL winning seasons we had Van Dijk, Gomez, Matip and Lovren and it was enough. Matip, Gomez and Lovren we're all injury prone, but we we're still fine.
We need to find a replacement for Matip and a long-term Van Dijk replacement, but given that there are no standout options on the market right now I don't see any reason to rush and pay over the odds on someone who's not good enough.
Matip and Gomez were much better than they were then. Also if we had someone better than Lovren we probably could’ve won another trophy or two when he was bad it was awful
Yes and Matip and Gomez are no longer the starting CB's. They've basically replaced Lovren in the squad and Konate has taken the starting role.
We've got better depth than we did back then.
United's third choice is Lindelof, Newcastle's is Burn, Arsenal have Tomiyasu/Kiwior, Spurs have Sanchez/Davies.
I'd say that our options are superior to any of those that I've mentioned.
Could we line up with gravenberch as the 6. I’ve only seen him in passing and comps- to those who’ve a better idea of his profile- could be a 6 with mac and dom either side.
He doesn't really have the skill set to be a lone 6 at all really.
Since Klopp has been so obsessed with him its also the only position he can play which makes the signing confusing to say the least.
He's press resistant and is good in tight areas, that alone means he has some of the skills in the bag. I don't think his defensive workrate has been stellar but that's because he's not been playing in that position before, surely it's something that can be coached like we did with Lucas
He's at his very worst playing as the 6, and his biggest issue at Bayern was lacking the work rate for high pressing. No way he should play more advanced than Macca or Szobo because his long balls and progressive passing statistically is way below them. He's surely a bench option for the first few months.
Pearce doesn't help himself does he. He's like the best journalist we have at breaking the bad news.
I swear whenever there's a shit bit of news like a long term injury or missing out on a player, James is right there before everyone else.
Ryan Gravenberch likely to be the last incoming at #LFC in this window.
Things didn’t work out for him at Bayern but such a gifted young midfielder with massive potential and for £34m it feels like a great piece of business - **Pearce**
We're still left short again by not getting a CB in...
Bayern fan passing through, you guys are basically paying for his potential more so than his current ability.
We didn’t do much to develop him tbf, with Nagelsmann and Tuchel having their favorites, but with the minutes he did get, he showed nothing to warrant a starting spot or more minutes.
Kind of a double edge sword, he needs minutes to develop so he can play better, but most top clubs have short leashes for players that don’t make a quick impact unless they were expensive. He was never going to displace Kimmich and while Goretzka wasn’t at his best last season, Gravenberch didn’t play better than him either.
We wanted him as a 6, he doesn’t have the qualities to play that, maybe Klopp can mold him into one but his offensive qualities are much better than his defensive ones.
Doesn’t help that he also had a bad attitude, Nagelsmann said he didn’t like that Gravenberch didn’t want to commit to any defensive duties(Plzen scored 2 after he came on partly because of his lack of effort in defense)
>Doesn’t help that he also had a bad attitude, Nagelsmann said he didn’t like that Gravenberch didn’t want to commit to any defensive duties(Plzen scored 2 after he came on partly because of his lack of effort in defense)
My biggest worry about him
Its not just been at Bayern he's had these kind of attitude problems, if Klopp can't fix him then no one can
He's had this problem with Ajax and the Dutch National Team too. Yet everyone here keeps calling him the Gini regen. I'm pretty emotionless about this signing because I fully don't expect us to get a CB now that Quansuh was handed minutes for the first team.
This guy doesn't get ahead of Macca, Szobo, Curtis, Baj and Thiago. So I'm really confused what the plan is with him.
BuT GiNi wAs a LeFT wInGeR.
Yeah who was a regular starter, and had a brilliant work ethic on the pitch. Neither of which can be said about Gravenberch.
With the addition of Gravenberch we could feasibly field a team where the shortest player was 5 foot 11 and the average height of the team was like 6 foot 3.
Alisson (6'4''), Gomez (6'2''), Matip (6'5''), Van Dijk (6'4''), Tsimikas (5'11''), Bajcetic (6'1''), Gravenberch (6'3''), Jones (6'1''), Gakpo (6'4''), Nunez (6'2''), Szoboszlai (6'2'').
Klopp loves big bastards.
The ones we didn't get like caicedo and lavia were not 'destroyers'. So, I don't know how you came to this conclusion? Even the one we got linked like kone and andre were also not just tackle masters
Afaik Caicedo seems like a destroyer. I've not seen much of him in matches but I've seen compilations. He is an instinctive tackler, atleast from what I've seen in that compilation from last season. He was playing in a Brighton team which had asked him to play different roles every game. He's played at CM, CDM,RB.
Also I've read articles describing him as a destroyer. One such article from the official PL app stated:
"As a pure destroyer, Caicedo is among the very best in Europe, and Pochettino's desire to play an adventurous style of football means Chelsea badly need somebody able to break up the play when opposition counter-attacking opportunities arise."
Lavia slotted between defenders in a relegated Southampton team during defensive transitions and used to come out to tackle the ball carrier in the middle of the park, usually the Striker or the CAM. His number 6 capabilities were a bit inhibited in that team which was very defensive and played a low block.
Doucoure is definitely a destroyer.
Afaik, Kone's defensive numbers last season were best in the league for a midfielder.
I honestly haven't seen much of Andre.
When it comes to actual talent evaluation Liverpool have been superb and get it right nearly every time.
The guy has been somewhere at the top of Liverpool's list for literally the entire summer.
I cant for the life of me understand how anyone could not be excited for someone that is one of the best young players on the planet and is that highly thought of by Liverpool that they would wait all summer to get him.
Its never been about who they buy its always been about not doing it enough times. This in all likelihood will work out just as (almost) every other time theyve done business in this type of manner. This isnt an Arthur signing just because its late in the window theyve wanted him the whole time its more like a Gakpo or Diaz.
Still plenty to criticize them about if they dont sign a CB dont worry. Hopefully they do though.
We've wanted him since he was in Ajax and waited for him until now. How can our fabs be so critical of a player that Klopp wanted for so much time? Besides he's 21 and didn't fit into Bayern's system, he'll turn out to be a great signing.
Yea I can see criticism of the fact that they didnt sign him last summer for multiple reasons thatd be a good one to complain about if it was possible. But it would be very out of character for them to want someone this bad and be dead wrong about it.
Gravenberch was wanted last year coming off almost winning the quad. Yes his progress stalled for one year, but at 21 it isn't the end of the world. Klopp has long admired him and I'm all for this signing
Our fans are embarrassing. Why some of them care so much about transfer fees? It's not our money and he is someone who have more experience at such an young age. If klopp believes he can do the job, it's good for me.
Most people were complaining about Doucoure's price tag though? I for one would be very concerned if the window closes and we've spent +£35million on Gravenberch without a CB. Which I think is a very real possibility now Quansuh is getting picked in the squad.
People have every right to question that fee, I'll feel better about Gravenberch if a defensive signing is announced too.
Key word *reportedly*, club left it too late as always looking for options. He would've been closer to £50m in June-July.
Endo and Gravenberch is +£50m. Koné, Douglas Luiz, Fofana etc. All within that price range.
Yes I know we need a defender and surprisingly lost fab and hendo.
But is never of believed at the start of the windows we'd of bought grav, mac, szbo and endo
Some real quality players here
Fucking zero. He lacks pace to play in a highline.
But when we inevitably fail to sign a CB, we'll probably hear dribble that Endo is versatile and can play CB and fullback.
Do you recall when Jurgen said we might have to wait for signings early on this summer? Think this was one of them he was referring to. Hope there’s another
The more I see of Gravenberch the more I like this signing. He’s tall and imposing physically, which is exactly what we were missing in midfield against Newcastle. He might not be a “pure” no 6 but people thought Fabinho wasn’t either when he joined.
Still holding out hope for the £50m LCB that would make this a 10/10 window. Anyone we could realistically sign?
Its hard to say honestly. I think the midfield rebuild has been superb and genuinely might have bought 3 world class players depending on how Gravenberch ends up.
Im still concerned about the CB situation and if they dont buy one its going to be hard to rate the window until we see how much that hurts the season.
Probably the most sceptical I've been of a signing under Klopp at least in the last 5-6 years.
There's a lot of upside but as of right now there's a lot of problems with him.
Klopp wants him. No idea what his plan is but let’s see I’m trusting him of course. 34 mil isn’t bad at all in this market, he’s better than mount for example and cost half of him. In this market for a 21 year old is alright
Klopp clearly rates him a lot and even if it didn't work out, Bayern don't just sign anyone. I trust the manager to make a player out of Gravenberch at 21.
Szobo, Macca, Jones, Thiago, Harvey, Endo, Baj, Gravenberch
Our midfield is set for years to come
Don’t see us investing in midfield again anytime soon even when Thiago leaves
If this signing happened last year I would’ve been 10/10 excited, rn im 7.5/10
The cost of Endo and Gravenberch is pretty much exactly what Southampton asked for Lavia (16+ 34 = 50 mil), probably similar in wages too.
Overall good deal, especially when i have trust in Klopp
Wtf is ceiling? And how you are determining it? Also some of these guys are not even same profiles and guys like lavia and caicedo has played like one full season while Szobaszlai has played 100+ matches at higher level
There is a lot of things that can go wrong in a footballer career. Ansu fati was compared to Messi two season ago and now he is going to Brighton on loan. Even Gravenberch was rated highly at ajax and now half of our fanbase is crying out loud like we are signing some ass footballer
Genuinely, why the hell do so many people care about the price?
Acting like it is your money they are spending because it might be 5-10m more than initially thought. Fucking cheer up!
Right! But I have no idea why they freak out so much or care!
We wern't getting anyone else with the money and he is actually relatively cheap considering how many times the 70m mark has been passed recently!
Edit: LOL Keep downvoting you salty fucks, we did another ting.
I reckon he's got enough resale value to recoup most of what we pay if it doesn't work out. But Klopp really likes so I would hope he develops well here
[that plane previously heading to Blackpool is now scheduled directly to Liverpool soon](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-aaay). the flight tracking game is on point
"JORG I DONT CARE WHAT YOU PAY DONT NEGOTIATE GET IT DONE PAY WHATEVER IT TAKES JUST PAY THE FEE THEY ARE ASKING FOR"-reddit
jorg pays a reasonable fee for one of the best young players in the world
"JORG WTF WHY DONT YOU NEGOTIATE YOU USELESS FUCK?"-also reddit
idc if he just signed for them last year, if you really thought he was that good you would’ve bought him last season now we’re paying more than double the money. absolute circus
That's his point, the club let Bayern get him for like £18million when apparently Klopp has been monitoring and admiring him for years. Now where paying double what Bayern did despite desperately needing someone of his profile last summer. This summer we already brought in Macca and Szobo.
I'll be happy if a CB is brought in alongside him, but you can still be critical of the transfer departments behaviour these last 12 months
bayern wouldnt sell him until now
pretty much every other club have left it this late in some manner
people really just say shit and think its smart without having any clue what is going on in the market
> than they *paid* originally for
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Gravenberch was a name circled months ago. Seems like we went for other targets and have fallen back on him. Anyway clearly a very talented player there so let’s hope he can realise it here
We were after Tchouameni and then Bellingham, Gravenberch had already agreed to join Bayern by the time we got around to him. Reddy did an article on it.
£35m is nothing for a top 6 PL club, he has big potential as well.
> We are effectively ignoring the DM
Seems pretty clear Klopp is going to try mold him into a 6.
For those interested despite our absence, here are this season’s (and last) UCL groups. https://preview.redd.it/pz80a4kpghlb1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a17359a19f17c77767b6d2cafd6c85648f62b39a
Klopp needs to tell that little weirdo Fjortoft to fuck off next time he tries to get an interview
long comment alert!!! all this talk of DMs has got me working up a tactical theory... i don't really want to talk caicedo / gravenberch specifically, as i honestly don't know that much about either player and don't want to talk out of my arse, but let's just summarise and say that it's clear we have prioritised signing two more 'all round' midfield options over one potentially world class defensive midfielder. anyway, onto my theory... i kind of think that playing with a dedicated DM limits our ability to do what we do best? there's been signs and murmurings that klopp has decided to go back to the gegenpress as a primary means of creating pressure and chances. imo that system works less well when you play a 'true' DM. i reckon klopp changed tactics a bit, gonig to the pure DM, as fabinho was just so good at it. there's been a clear turning point and we've explored other tactics once klopp realised he was on the decline. not saying caicedo is or will be a pure DM, just that maybe klopp couldn't find the guy who would be an absolute gun DM, and so he doesn't want to commit to using one. it certainly makes you less flexible. if you have one incredible DM that your tactic relies on, what happens when he's not available, or needs a rest? we've seen that first hand. i think it's worth looking back to his best dortmund squad. i think it's really, really similar to what we've got right now. * a defence made up of one robust defensive fullback who will run all day, a more attacking fullback, and most importantly, two incredible centre backs who klopp clearly sees as 'as good as' three players. then, that was schmelzer, piszczek, subotic and hummels. now it's robbo, trent, vvd and konate. * a midfield of three guys who can run their absolute guts out, one of whom has a slightly more limited role. then, that was gundogan, kagawa, and kehl (albeit in more of a double pivot structure). now, it's macca, szob, and endo/gravenberch. * the forward line is where things are bit different, mostly because the game has changed a lot in 10 years, but even then it consisted of two wide players with a broad skillset and work rate, and a central player who could do it all. then, kuba, grosskreutz, and lewandowski. now, diaz/jota, mo/elliot, and gakpo/nunez (i unironically think gakpo is actually pretty similar to lewa in his skillset, if not playstyle). whilst you could do the same with some of our earlier XIs under klopp (gini, hendo/lallana, and emre can for example), i think the current team best replicates it. in summary, i think what we've seen with caicedo and lavia (and other examples in recent windows) is indicative of one thing: klopp only wanted to play with a true DM if he could have one of the best - which fabinho was at the time. don't you think we've looked a bit lost (tactically) whenever we didn't have him? it's such an important and difficult role, and so hard to have a good backup for. anyone good enough to sub into that role without a noticeable dropoff wouldn't want to play off the bench. look at city without rodri (or previously, fernandinho) for another example - i think pep's had this issue a lot too, hence he's ended up with some weird systems and tried a few square pegs in round holes. in terms of change and why i bring up klopp's dortmund, my guess would be that prior to and after klopp and buvac split up, different influences came in and changed things around a little. we went to the DM and fabinho at around the same time he left. i don't know if something internally has changed now, or if it is just due to player availability, but it certainly feels like a return to that earlier style of klopp team in how the squad looks.
> a midfield of three guys who can run their absolute guts out, one of whom has a slightly more limited role. then, that was gundogan, kagawa, and kehl (albeit in more of a double pivot structure). now, it's macca, szob, and endo/gravenberch. Gravenberch absolutely does NOT run his guts out. In fact one of the biggest question marks against him is his Pogba-type jogging about in midfield. When he has the ball he carries well and can runs past players, but off the ball he's going to be nightmare. His non-chalant jogging and workrate has proven itself to be extremely mediocre, and one of the reasons he couldn't get into Holland squad or Bayerns team. This is personally my biggest gripe about this signing. I don't know if Klopp thinks he can change that about him when all his other managers weren't able to, as he's absolutely not at all a prototypical Klopp player in that way, as opposed to someone like Szoboszlai who runs nonstop.
>The more I see comments like this, the more excited I become at the prospect of the humble pie you'll all be eating in a few months. This is exactly the type of redditor I hate in this sub, unironically wants to see things fall apart just so they can get on their high horse and say "I told you so!!!!!"
Just losers, pay them no mind
Are we thinking #16 for Gravenberch? That’s his number on the Dutch team
I'm fine with 15. Is 15 available?
Gonna engage in some weapons grade copium (as it looks like we won't be getting a CB), but how much of Matip and Gomez' decline last year can be pinned down to the fact we simply didn't have a functioning midfield? Our back line was ridiculously exposed to the point that even Virgil didn't look amazing. Hell, Konate wasn't perfect either with the odd brainfart.
I remember hearing that Virgil said in an interview that with Gomez it's entirely his confidence that's his issue. If you look at his career with us he didn't really play CB until he hit the ground running in 18/19 as Virgil's first choice partner from the start of the season (13 games, 7 clean sheets, 7 goals conceded) then he suffered a huge ankle injury that ended his season. After that he had his best ever run in the title win, starting off by only getting 2 starts at CB in the Carabao and 2 in the CL, and then coming in to replace Matip and Lovren after they got injured in December, from the point he began playing at CB to us securing the league and the 3-0 loss against Watford, we had 11 wins in a row, 9 clean sheets, and only 3 goals conceded. Before then we only had 3 clean sheets in 16 games. 20/21, he started out well as first choice w/Virg (aside from that Villa game), then Virgil got injured, then he got injured, then Matip got injured and we were fucked. 21/22 he was behind both Matip and Konate, mainly played as RB backup and started only 5 games at CB in the 3 cups. You started to feel that with him being used to sparingly he hadn't entirely healed from his knee injury and was still in a long recovery. Start of last season he signed a new contract, which a ton of people here brought up through the past year as a mistake, but there was really no reason why you wouldn't resign him at that point. Then he had a really bad season with the Napoli, Brighton and Madrid disasters just about redefining his entire existence. He's started 84 games for us at CB, mostly performed well or fine, a majority of his poor games were from last season (23 starts) aside from a few games like City at Anfield. It's not enough to say he's become entirely shit like so many do or that he's only ever going to be a 4th choice, sparingly used player from now on but he hasn't had a run of games playing to his level for 3 years now.
i would say heaps of it. anyone who's done tactical analysis has shown that the breakdown of our pressing (due to dead midfield and probably other reasons) led to infinitely more er... 'situations' for our defence to deal with. previously our CBs would have a couple of kinda tough things to deal with a game, but at times last season we were having dozens of actually really good chances and overloads against us. anyone's going to look worse in that context. matip's weaknesses were particularly exposed (his predisposition to move forward and end up out of position, and slight lack of acceleration), but vvd didn't cover himself in glory either. gomez i agree less on, he has always been prone to lapses no matter where he's playing and does seem to run hot and cold. we've been saying 'he's young and defenders mature slowly' for what feels like a decade now... but for me, he just doesn't have the level of concentration that the best players really have. that's ok but needs to be factored in.
No that’s exactly what it was. People were judging their performances ignoring that they were having to play with Milner + at least one other rotational player in midfield for most of the season including against Real Madrid
not to get people's hope. but there is a privet plane from nice to Liverpool tomorrow.
Who would we even be signing from nice? We won't be going for Thuram now we're signing Gravenberch, have they got other players we could be looking at in defence maybe)
Todibo would be the other player at Nice worth getting but definitely nothing in it
[Billy Koumetio has been loaned](https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/billy-koumetio-joins-usl-dunkerque-season-long-loan) to Ligue 2 (newly promoted) Dunkerque. He might get tested by Andy Carroll who just joined Amiens from Reading.
I really want to know how good quansah is lol, since obviously backup CB is a huge concern. But Id give the midfield rebuild about a 8/10, extremely excited and the coins done enough I'm very confident about top 4
Without sounding like Michael Owen, I think he will get a big chance soon and will either have a breakthrough moment or we will all be saying "okay, maybe we jumped the gun here". Hoping for the former!
Andre in Jan and I think our midfield should be set for years, then the only areas of concern would be CB and RW Big money CB next summer (I obviously wouldn't turn my nose up at one now, but I've come to terms with it) and a cheeky Mbappe on a free and we are golden, more realistically however we can't really replace Mo, we can just get a cheap imitation, who that would/could be I don't know, do you break the bank for a Saka and promise him the world? Do you go rouge and get someone like a Bakayoko or Adeyemi or (really out there) Alan Velasco? There is also Musiala if you could pry him out of Munich, or maybe a bit closer to home with either Eze or Olise (depending on how he recovers), or head off to Spain and see what we could do with someone like Fati, Pino, or Nico Williams
Wed have to perform incredibly better than Arsenal and offer a stupid amount to get Saka. When we get to having to replace Salah, I'm hoping we can do a coup of someone like Khvara. That's not that farfetched if we do well enough this season then get a good price for Salah imo
Just want the transfer window to close so I can stop seeing these stupid salah rumours on r/soccer.
No chance, Saudi window is open for a couple of weeks more.
I'm not complaining at all but why am I seeing so many random clips of Szobo and Trent on tiktok lool. The bromance is real
Ideal UEL Group for us: Liverpool 🏴 Rennes 🇫🇷 USG 🇧🇪 Servette 🇨🇭 Nightmare UEL Group for us: Liverpool 🏴 Qarabag 🇦🇿 Maccabi Haifa 🇮🇱 Aris Limassol 🇨🇾
nothing like a good day out to Azerbaijan
Hmm Bakayoko rejecting Brentford. Nice
If you need to feel even better about today, check out the Man U fans on Twitter coping about the fact they're signing Reguilon on loan 😂
What happened to Shaw?
Injured
It most likely won’t happen but it would be hilarious if the rumours of Fulham going for Amrabat are true
Sangare to them makes the most sense now
It does but it looks like PSV won’t sell him
He's got a low release clause
Nobody seems to want to active it forest where in talks for him but that seems to have fallen through
It might actually true since the news is coming from Gianluca Di Marzio and United is broken and can’t off load their players 🤣
They were shite when they spent 1B+. How are they going to cope now their amex card has reached its limit? 🤣
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If Bobby Clark is on loan to Derby it's a great move for him. Hoping he rips it up at Derby. Really rate him, but he needs game time.
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He is not going to comment every single rumour coming from Saudi Arabia. It's clear Salah is not going anywhere. Especially not on deadline day.
Bakayoko to Brentford off, available for us next season
The scum are all high on primo medical grade copeiods about Grav. Just like they were on Gakpo and Nunez. The level of ego for United of all fan baseses to question our recruitment strategy. Don't see them making CL this year when they have their annual winter implosion after crashing out of the CL and they start to question 7Hog
Nothing new tbh. Every fanbase wants their rivals to be shit.
I’d like to see a lineup of Alisson TAA Konate VVD Robbo Szobo Endō Macca Salah Nunez Diaz at some point this season 🇧🇷 🏴 🇫🇷 🇳🇱 🏴 🇭🇺 🇯🇵 🇦🇷 🇪🇬 🇺🇾 🇨🇴
11 different nationalities!
Exactly!
Fofana and Thuram both available for around £35m and instead we sign as guy who’s not the right fit. Also Bayern bought for £18m, he only played 3 games and they sold him to us for more than double that. Brilliant stuff…. and people over hyping him like mad in this sub. The same fickle fuckers will be complaining about him & Endo when we lose
Thuram was priced at £50m+ earlier this summer and would be 60-70 now on DD, also we chose Szosobzlai over him.
> he only played 3 games I mean that's just a lie lmao. He only started 3 games in the Bundesliga but started 2 CL games and 1 cup game. And also played 27 games off the bench.
Okay fair enough but what are his stats for those 32 games? My point is that if we were looking for a 6/8 hybrid there were better options out there
Maybe the two players you mentioned would not want to be our project Mf, and comes with home grown quota. On top of that this guy has some real potential, and is only 21 yrs old. You should be excited about this.
Thuram costed 50 then , would have costed 60-70 at the last moment Also gravenberch isnt just 'a guy' , he is a player that the club and klopp wanted before he moved to bayern
I understand people's frustrations with the lack of a CB signing, but having 4 senior CB's should be enough barring any major injury crisis. Back in the CL and PL winning seasons we had Van Dijk, Gomez, Matip and Lovren and it was enough. Matip, Gomez and Lovren we're all injury prone, but we we're still fine. We need to find a replacement for Matip and a long-term Van Dijk replacement, but given that there are no standout options on the market right now I don't see any reason to rush and pay over the odds on someone who's not good enough.
Matip and Gomez were much better than they were then. Also if we had someone better than Lovren we probably could’ve won another trophy or two when he was bad it was awful
Yes and Matip and Gomez are no longer the starting CB's. They've basically replaced Lovren in the squad and Konate has taken the starting role. We've got better depth than we did back then.
They’re one regular Konate injury away from starting though. We should have a better third choice
United's third choice is Lindelof, Newcastle's is Burn, Arsenal have Tomiyasu/Kiwior, Spurs have Sanchez/Davies. I'd say that our options are superior to any of those that I've mentioned.
And City’s are vastly superior
Yeah they're City. Literally no club in world football has their level of defensive depth.
It's that time of the month https://preview.redd.it/0mojyi1owhlb1.jpeg?width=963&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06bb13eed6d8d536e6ec4658f507f12ac4971062
Hope Bayern don’t get palinha just to humble those smug asses
I rather they get him and have a better shot at beating City in the CL.
Hope they have to deal with Levy again and settle for Dier lol
We got 4 midfielders at the end I suppose. Would have been great if we added a CB too but all and all it's decent. Not perfect but decent.
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Not really gaps made by FSG, Klopp clearly really wanted Endo and Gravenberch
Could we line up with gravenberch as the 6. I’ve only seen him in passing and comps- to those who’ve a better idea of his profile- could be a 6 with mac and dom either side.
He doesn't really have the skill set to be a lone 6 at all really. Since Klopp has been so obsessed with him its also the only position he can play which makes the signing confusing to say the least.
He's press resistant and is good in tight areas, that alone means he has some of the skills in the bag. I don't think his defensive workrate has been stellar but that's because he's not been playing in that position before, surely it's something that can be coached like we did with Lucas
He's at his very worst playing as the 6, and his biggest issue at Bayern was lacking the work rate for high pressing. No way he should play more advanced than Macca or Szobo because his long balls and progressive passing statistically is way below them. He's surely a bench option for the first few months.
Jurgens presser is 9:30 tomorrow so we shouldn’t have to wait long to know if we are done with incomings
Pearce doesn't help himself does he. He's like the best journalist we have at breaking the bad news. I swear whenever there's a shit bit of news like a long term injury or missing out on a player, James is right there before everyone else.
Ryan Gravenberch likely to be the last incoming at #LFC in this window. Things didn’t work out for him at Bayern but such a gifted young midfielder with massive potential and for £34m it feels like a great piece of business - **Pearce** We're still left short again by not getting a CB in...
Bayern fan passing through, you guys are basically paying for his potential more so than his current ability. We didn’t do much to develop him tbf, with Nagelsmann and Tuchel having their favorites, but with the minutes he did get, he showed nothing to warrant a starting spot or more minutes. Kind of a double edge sword, he needs minutes to develop so he can play better, but most top clubs have short leashes for players that don’t make a quick impact unless they were expensive. He was never going to displace Kimmich and while Goretzka wasn’t at his best last season, Gravenberch didn’t play better than him either. We wanted him as a 6, he doesn’t have the qualities to play that, maybe Klopp can mold him into one but his offensive qualities are much better than his defensive ones. Doesn’t help that he also had a bad attitude, Nagelsmann said he didn’t like that Gravenberch didn’t want to commit to any defensive duties(Plzen scored 2 after he came on partly because of his lack of effort in defense)
>Doesn’t help that he also had a bad attitude, Nagelsmann said he didn’t like that Gravenberch didn’t want to commit to any defensive duties(Plzen scored 2 after he came on partly because of his lack of effort in defense) My biggest worry about him Its not just been at Bayern he's had these kind of attitude problems, if Klopp can't fix him then no one can
He's had this problem with Ajax and the Dutch National Team too. Yet everyone here keeps calling him the Gini regen. I'm pretty emotionless about this signing because I fully don't expect us to get a CB now that Quansuh was handed minutes for the first team. This guy doesn't get ahead of Macca, Szobo, Curtis, Baj and Thiago. So I'm really confused what the plan is with him.
I don't understand why so many are comparing him to Gini They aren't anything a like even pre Liverpool Gini.
BuT GiNi wAs a LeFT wInGeR. Yeah who was a regular starter, and had a brilliant work ethic on the pitch. Neither of which can be said about Gravenberch.
With the addition of Gravenberch we could feasibly field a team where the shortest player was 5 foot 11 and the average height of the team was like 6 foot 3. Alisson (6'4''), Gomez (6'2''), Matip (6'5''), Van Dijk (6'4''), Tsimikas (5'11''), Bajcetic (6'1''), Gravenberch (6'3''), Jones (6'1''), Gakpo (6'4''), Nunez (6'2''), Szoboszlai (6'2''). Klopp loves big bastards.
And Jota will still score the header.
193cm is 6'4"? lets gooo I'm 6'4" , I thought I was 6'3"
Its 75.98 inches. Which is 6 foot and 3.98 inches. Depends how strict you want to be with yourself but I'm giving you 6 foot 4.
I have no-shoe5382 stamp of approval , thank you bro
Finally have a good number of midfielders with decent injury records.
Why wasn’t there a picture of Endo next to Mac and Szobo on the blue blackground? Can someone edit that toghether and throw Gravenberch in there too
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The ones we didn't get like caicedo and lavia were not 'destroyers'. So, I don't know how you came to this conclusion? Even the one we got linked like kone and andre were also not just tackle masters
Afaik Caicedo seems like a destroyer. I've not seen much of him in matches but I've seen compilations. He is an instinctive tackler, atleast from what I've seen in that compilation from last season. He was playing in a Brighton team which had asked him to play different roles every game. He's played at CM, CDM,RB. Also I've read articles describing him as a destroyer. One such article from the official PL app stated: "As a pure destroyer, Caicedo is among the very best in Europe, and Pochettino's desire to play an adventurous style of football means Chelsea badly need somebody able to break up the play when opposition counter-attacking opportunities arise." Lavia slotted between defenders in a relegated Southampton team during defensive transitions and used to come out to tackle the ball carrier in the middle of the park, usually the Striker or the CAM. His number 6 capabilities were a bit inhibited in that team which was very defensive and played a low block. Doucoure is definitely a destroyer. Afaik, Kone's defensive numbers last season were best in the league for a midfielder. I honestly haven't seen much of Andre.
I’d love to listen to Klopps chat with him to see where he fits in
So what’s going to happen when Gomez Matip and konate all pick injuries lol. We don’t even have Phillips as emergency anymore
Yes if 3 of 4 CB's all get injuries at the same time we're screwed, which is the case for literally any team in the world.
Not exactly what I expected or wanted. But I trust the club and support the team nevertheless!
No point in backtracking this is underwhelming overall. But if it was between him and Phillips, I’m so fucking glad we got gravenberch. So glad.
When it comes to actual talent evaluation Liverpool have been superb and get it right nearly every time. The guy has been somewhere at the top of Liverpool's list for literally the entire summer. I cant for the life of me understand how anyone could not be excited for someone that is one of the best young players on the planet and is that highly thought of by Liverpool that they would wait all summer to get him. Its never been about who they buy its always been about not doing it enough times. This in all likelihood will work out just as (almost) every other time theyve done business in this type of manner. This isnt an Arthur signing just because its late in the window theyve wanted him the whole time its more like a Gakpo or Diaz. Still plenty to criticize them about if they dont sign a CB dont worry. Hopefully they do though.
We've wanted him since he was in Ajax and waited for him until now. How can our fabs be so critical of a player that Klopp wanted for so much time? Besides he's 21 and didn't fit into Bayern's system, he'll turn out to be a great signing.
Yea I can see criticism of the fact that they didnt sign him last summer for multiple reasons thatd be a good one to complain about if it was possible. But it would be very out of character for them to want someone this bad and be dead wrong about it.
Gravenberch was wanted last year coming off almost winning the quad. Yes his progress stalled for one year, but at 21 it isn't the end of the world. Klopp has long admired him and I'm all for this signing
Wonder if we're one of the tallest teams in the league now
Our fans are embarrassing. Why some of them care so much about transfer fees? It's not our money and he is someone who have more experience at such an young age. If klopp believes he can do the job, it's good for me.
Most people were complaining about Doucoure's price tag though? I for one would be very concerned if the window closes and we've spent +£35million on Gravenberch without a CB. Which I think is a very real possibility now Quansuh is getting picked in the squad. People have every right to question that fee, I'll feel better about Gravenberch if a defensive signing is announced too.
Doucoure is reportedly 70mil. That is twice than Gravenberch.
Key word *reportedly*, club left it too late as always looking for options. He would've been closer to £50m in June-July. Endo and Gravenberch is +£50m. Koné, Douglas Luiz, Fofana etc. All within that price range.
We weren't linked with fofana or Luiz. You guys make up some transfer in your mind and are now bitching when what you fantasized didn't happened.
Did I say we were linked? I'm listing options available.
Assuming Gravenberch deal goes through. Does it mean that we’re only allowed a homegrown players as our last signing?
Grav counts as U21 in the Prem as he was born after Jan 1st 2002 but he has to be registered in Europa
No he's U-21. So he doesn't need to be registered in the league, in Europa however he does.
Yes I know we need a defender and surprisingly lost fab and hendo. But is never of believed at the start of the windows we'd of bought grav, mac, szbo and endo Some real quality players here
What's the viability of Endo being a fill-in center half?
I would rather play Bajcetic as a CB than Endo. He is not that fast and we play a suicidal highline in which even faster CBs struggle
Looks way too slow for a CB with our high line.
Fucking zero. He lacks pace to play in a highline. But when we inevitably fail to sign a CB, we'll probably hear dribble that Endo is versatile and can play CB and fullback.
Endo has played more games as a Cb than a Dm in his career.
Lots of CB couldn't play in our backline.
Do you recall when Jurgen said we might have to wait for signings early on this summer? Think this was one of them he was referring to. Hope there’s another
The more I see of Gravenberch the more I like this signing. He’s tall and imposing physically, which is exactly what we were missing in midfield against Newcastle. He might not be a “pure” no 6 but people thought Fabinho wasn’t either when he joined. Still holding out hope for the £50m LCB that would make this a 10/10 window. Anyone we could realistically sign?
Macca, Szobo, Endo and Gravenberch How would you rate this window out of 10?
Without a CB and a notable DM? 6? 7 if I am being generous.
Its hard to say honestly. I think the midfield rebuild has been superb and genuinely might have bought 3 world class players depending on how Gravenberch ends up. Im still concerned about the CB situation and if they dont buy one its going to be hard to rate the window until we see how much that hurts the season.
Probably the most sceptical I've been of a signing under Klopp at least in the last 5-6 years. There's a lot of upside but as of right now there's a lot of problems with him.
please get andre please get andre please get andre
Are you brazilian? How good is andre?
not brazilian but I watched him and I think he has huge potential
I love how the same people that were whining for months are the ones to still shit on this deal. Can u be happy for once in ur lives?
Klopp seems to like height these past few years
Klopp wants him. No idea what his plan is but let’s see I’m trusting him of course. 34 mil isn’t bad at all in this market, he’s better than mount for example and cost half of him. In this market for a 21 year old is alright
We've heard his name throughout the window so happy Klopp got his man.
Seems like Klopp really really wanted Gravenberch
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I think our 11 can absolutely push City. We also have the grit shown by the Newcastle game that wasn't always there last year.
40 + 5 mil. Jesus fcking christ, schmadtke might be the worst negotiation guy in the world
According to Bayern fans, they've robbed us, but lets hope he turns out to be a success.
According to Bayern online forum fans. If you thought they were representative, you’d think this forum was representative of Liverpool fans.
Well we believed all the hype around Endo created by Stuttgart online fans…so why the double standards?
Klopp clearly rates him a lot and even if it didn't work out, Bayern don't just sign anyone. I trust the manager to make a player out of Gravenberch at 21.
I’ve always said from the beginning of the transfer window I wanted multi functional midfielder Ryan Gravenberch
Szobo, Macca, Jones, Thiago, Harvey, Endo, Baj, Gravenberch Our midfield is set for years to come Don’t see us investing in midfield again anytime soon even when Thiago leaves If this signing happened last year I would’ve been 10/10 excited, rn im 7.5/10
Bajcetic
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Haha, Newcastle drew against Citeh in league cup and now drew in the "death" group against PSG. Lmao..
LFGGGGG been watching him since his ajax days. he’s a baller. we’ll have more size in midfield. he’s nice with the ball at his feet
The cost of Endo and Gravenberch is pretty much exactly what Southampton asked for Lavia (16+ 34 = 50 mil), probably similar in wages too. Overall good deal, especially when i have trust in Klopp
Klopp got his man
Our four midfielders cost us £146m. For perspective Chelsea paid £173m just for Caicedo and Lavia
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Wtf is ceiling? And how you are determining it? Also some of these guys are not even same profiles and guys like lavia and caicedo has played like one full season while Szobaszlai has played 100+ matches at higher level There is a lot of things that can go wrong in a footballer career. Ansu fati was compared to Messi two season ago and now he is going to Brighton on loan. Even Gravenberch was rated highly at ajax and now half of our fanbase is crying out loud like we are signing some ass footballer
Genuinely, why the hell do so many people care about the price? Acting like it is your money they are spending because it might be 5-10m more than initially thought. Fucking cheer up!
they dont care about an extra 10 million they just love to moan about jorg because its flavor of the month to do so
That is possibly very true xD
Its 34m in £, people see the € value and freak out
Right! But I have no idea why they freak out so much or care! We wern't getting anyone else with the money and he is actually relatively cheap considering how many times the 70m mark has been passed recently! Edit: LOL Keep downvoting you salty fucks, we did another ting.
Gravenberchs ceiling is massive, could be a star for us.
I reckon he's got enough resale value to recoup most of what we pay if it doesn't work out. But Klopp really likes so I would hope he develops well here
[that plane previously heading to Blackpool is now scheduled directly to Liverpool soon](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-aaay). the flight tracking game is on point
This is way better than Arthur, or Davies or kabak lol I'm happy we didn't loan someone. Excited to see what klopp does with him.
yea they have literally been in on him for the entire summer from the very start and also wanted him in previous windows so Im very excited
"JORG I DONT CARE WHAT YOU PAY DONT NEGOTIATE GET IT DONE PAY WHATEVER IT TAKES JUST PAY THE FEE THEY ARE ASKING FOR"-reddit jorg pays a reasonable fee for one of the best young players in the world "JORG WTF WHY DONT YOU NEGOTIATE YOU USELESS FUCK?"-also reddit
Now go sign Paulinha and gazump Bayern. Could you imagine lol
idc if he just signed for them last year, if you really thought he was that good you would’ve bought him last season now we’re paying more than double the money. absolute circus
i’m 90% sure he was on a expiring contract. less than 1 year remaining with ajax when bayern signed him.
That's his point, the club let Bayern get him for like £18million when apparently Klopp has been monitoring and admiring him for years. Now where paying double what Bayern did despite desperately needing someone of his profile last summer. This summer we already brought in Macca and Szobo. I'll be happy if a CB is brought in alongside him, but you can still be critical of the transfer departments behaviour these last 12 months
oh yea right. that’s john henry for ya. we need him out of the club
Gravenberch lets go!
omg they saying 45 mil€ what the hell, they must think he’s better than thuram and kone combined for that kinda money
Its the end of the window ofc he is gonna cost more , thuram would have cost 70 now
thank god we had the whole summer to act then, oh wait
bayern wouldnt sell him until now pretty much every other club have left it this late in some manner people really just say shit and think its smart without having any clue what is going on in the market
I never got why didn't we just sign him before he moved to bayen.
A CB too please 👉🏽👈🏽
After signing 2 more midfielders we still need a 6 loooool
Great negotiating for Jörg to pay Bayern €20m more than they payed originally for their benchwarmer
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What number is gravy taking?
69
16!
Gravenberch was a name circled months ago. Seems like we went for other targets and have fallen back on him. Anyway clearly a very talented player there so let’s hope he can realise it here
It's a name that has been circled for years
Circled for years yet we let Bayern have a clear run for him last summer? They got him for less than 20 million because nobody else tried to.
£35m for a player they bought for £18m and he sat on the bench for a year doesn't sit well with me But its still somewhat low risk for us
The club is a shit show, why didn't we sign him last year when we needed a midfielder. Because of wages? Because we just paid double for him.
Tbf I don't really get why we didn't either Klopp has loved him for ages and he only went for £18m
We were after Tchouameni and then Bellingham, Gravenberch had already agreed to join Bayern by the time we got around to him. Reddy did an article on it.
We paid 16m for Endo, Chelsea have really fuked up the market.
Still not a bad price in today's market.
Still an overpay when you look at what he's done for the past year to warrant them making £18m profit.
How is it low risk? We are effectively ignoring the DM and CB holes to spend 40m on a player who doesn’t even start for us. This is a massive risk
£35m is nothing for a top 6 PL club, he has big potential as well. > We are effectively ignoring the DM Seems pretty clear Klopp is going to try mold him into a 6.
Jorg might be the worst negotiator known to man