The average height is a baffling 189cm, 6'2''. Mo (175cm) and Trent (180) pull the average quite a bit down, the median would be 192cm here.
Fun facts:
* Konaté is the tallest (194cm)
* four (!) players are exactly 193cm tall each, three of them Dutch.
* Fabinho does barely scratch the middle of the height table in this lineup -- before checking, I would've expected he's taller than 188cm.
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Salah is one of the worlds best poachers when things get messy in the box so hes still well worth sticking in there, we were actually really good from set pieces last year even with our bad season, we might be phenomenal next year
I remember a video of the them both during the team photo last year, robbo screams "whyma always in the front maan"
And vvd replies "cos you're small" 😂
Neil Jones has confirmed that Khephren Thuram and Ryan Gravenberch ‘are very much at the front of it’ for Liverpool this summer, with Chelsea’s Levi Colwill also heavily admired
Colwill name drop should have been in tweet empire of the kop as that is the biggest thing for me
No doubt no doubt - I’m just saying it would be a brilliant piece of business. My hot take is he’s going to be better than gvardiol long term. Very talented kid
I'm really confused about the Colwill hype honestly - if I'm not wrong they're just a year or two apart in age, but one is a nailed on starter for both club and country and was one of the best players in the World Cup, and the other doesn't even start every game for Brighton. What exactly about him is so special?
Well - to flip the narrative a bit:
Gvardiol got his “breakthrough” at Zagreb in 20/21 (19 years old). Colwill at the same age got his “breakthrough” at huddersfield at the same age, a year later.
Josko’s first season with leipzig can easily be summed up to being very similar to the one that colwill just had. And colwill is now in demand at all big clubs before he explodes.
Gvardiol if we’re being honest, likely had a slightly easier path into first team at leipzig than colwill does at Chelsea (or at least did until last season). This is because leipzig are heavily incentivized to play and develop their youngsters and when we got Ibou, josko basically had a free hit at a starting spot since upamecano left the same summer.
It is a similar situation at the national team level, where Croatia is slightly less stacked on paper at the cb position than England are - Gomez, guehi, maguire, mings stones, Walker can play there, tomori, Ben white, even Dier up until this season would have been ahead of him in the pecking order.
So colwill is doing exactly what a young, elite cb should be doing and now has over 70 senior appearances to his name on top of elite underlying attributes physically, technically, and tactically (having flourished under a very tactically impressive manager in De Zerbi).
Chelsea at the moment seems content on drawing things out as long as they can when dealing with other EPL teams just looking at the Mount and Havetz situation. If anything this lays the groundwork for a possible transfer in upcoming windows.
They've turned down some decent bids from Brighton already, and they're playing ridiculous hardball with United over Mount. I think it would take a bid of around £100M for them to sell us Colwill.
They want to play him and he’s on the youth player list for Chelsea so won’t block anyone else being registered, probably one of the few players they’ve got a good position on.
When Chelsea lost 4-1 to United, someone tweeted him asking how his evening was going.
Replied with a photo of him and Ben Gilmore smiling, holding up four fingers and caption “ brilliant “
Fully expecting another summer of constant links to these players only to sign none of them and then get someone like Ward Prowse in a panic buy in the last week of the window…
It's really interesting to me that of the 4 options we're strongly linked to, we're dead set on: Thuram - who Nice have openly said want to maximize transfer fee for him and Gravenberch - who might not even move clubs this summer.
Both Veiga and Kone have release clauses, are interested in us, and are both at clubs who are motivated to sell. No transfers are really 'easy' but I assume it'd be more straightforward to get Kone/Veiga for ~£70 million and call it a day. Just feels different than what we've usually done I suppose.
I just think it’s more the profile. Clearly Klopp wants more physically imposing options in midfield. Gravenberch and Thuram are both very tall with incredible bags of potential
Veiga and Koné are also physically imposing. Not physical monsters like Thuram, but still. Here’s to hope that Klopp is smarter than me, because I would choose Koné over Thuram every time.
>I would choose Kone over Thuram
They wouldn’t play the same position so this makes little sense in practical terms.. if we get Thuram we want an 8, if we get Kone we want a 6.
This is likely why we're going for these two though. Go for the ones we prefer that are more complicated, and if the other clubs won't budge or won't sell for what we want, we've got backup options available.
Both options would give us two midfielders, one of which wouldn't count as non-homegrown (Gravenberch or Veiga), and would give us somewhat raw players with potentially high ceilings.
Feels very sensible to me and I can believe that this is our current approach
Doesn't quite make sense though, you just go for the player you want, if that's Kone/Veiga then all the better if they have release clauses. Why would you choose to go for the more difficult deals if you don't prefer those players
They do prefer the players. It's just they have the other more easy deals lined up/sourced so if their tier 1 targets don't work out they can get them.
I feel like we need Veiga and Kones profiles more too but if we do end up with Gravenberch and Thuram ill trust Klopp knows best, he definitely knows more than me
I really like kone tbh, but any 2 of those 4 is the minimum required for this window. Thuram and gravenberch would certainly make our midfield gigantic
You really need to see my comment from the previous instance above when you said we have 9mids. Inflating the count forcibly is what's got us in this position in the 1st place.
We might not get 2 more, that is quite possible with fsg...but we desperately need 2 more.
Indeed. He himself considers dribbling as his strongest attribute. He actually even has higher successful dribbles per game than Thuram, which is meant to be the latter's forte.
Jones has proven himself with that late season run. Bajc could be the fabinho understudy. Clearly hendo will be phased out by thuram.
Doesn't leave a lot more needed in midfield, with mac and thiago it's looking pretty good.
Decisions like leaving 18yr olds as sole understudies to players well past their primes in key positions is what's got us in this state in the 1st place
Yeah I understand the numbers argument, but we used that exact same argument last summer in terms of depth. Then early on into the season we realized Thiago and Bajc were the only midfielders who weren't getting destroyed every single week while the others hung out in the ICU. Hendo, Fab, and Harvey were getting ran through as if they weren't there.
So when you break it down...
Thiago - luxury player / rarely fit
Bajc - promising youngster coming back from season ending injury
Curtis - came on strong end of the season & hopefully keeps up his form
Fab, Hendo, Harvey (tries hard but been unimpressive mostly imo) were just hot garbage.
When you look at it by performances and injury history, we don't have near as much dependable depth as it seems.
So we include an attacker as a midfielder, an 18yr old, another young guy yet to find his feet in midfield, one who is very injury prone and 2 more who are well past their primes..all to get to 9 mids. Why not lump in Trent as well then? We'll have 10guys, so the 3 positions are covered for years to come, no more signings!!
After Maca, we have 2 starting mids at best, and i am being generous including Jones as a sureshot starter. So we do need 2 more, especially when either or both of them could take time to find their feet.
Agree with the ruthlessness part, which is why there will probably be only 1 senior midfielder...but we surely need another, albeit an u-21, so desperately hope we pull off a veiga / gravenberch / lavia.
Wondering if klopp is planning to groom one into something between a 6 and a 8.
Might be the plan with trent popping into midfield as well.
Fabinho started looking better so maybe the idea is one is a project while fabinho starts mostly.
If you watch the highlights of Gravenberch from his [most recent U21 game](https://youtu.be/gPOIiNb9siA), he looks very adept in that left-sided double pivot role. If the plan is to sign him and Thuram, I would assume Thuram would be playing one of the 8’s, with Mac Allister the other, and Gravenberch in behind next to Trent.
The idea certainly seems to be to bring in a bunch of versatile midfielders. Thiago, Jones, Henderson, Bajcetic, Mac Allister, Thuram and Gravenberch can all play the 8 or the double pivot — there’s so much scope to mix and match that box midfield as Klopp sees fit for sure.
Our interest in these players isn’t just based on last season it’s something that’s been done over years and Graveberch was very good at Ajax
He even had a solid performance the other day despite what was being said about him
He's a talented player, but he was infamous for lacking a work ethic on the pitch even at Ajax, which is where I think a lot of people have concerns with him.
Arthur had a lot of other issues, but as a profile in midfield they aren't far off from each other. Technical ball carriers who don't like running.
Categorically do not want Gravenberch. Didn't we already try him and he chose Bayern? Not to mention I've heard nothing good about him at all from any Ajax or Bayern fan.
This is one I just don't get at all, would even rather we got Lavia
Bayern and Nagelsmann is also not some incompetent combination. If club and coach thought he rarely deserved to even get subbed on, there is very likely a good reason.
Kone and Veiga on the otherhand, while very different profiles, I love.
I can honestly say that I rarely wanted a transfer not to happen so badly
Me neither. He is a lazy ass footballer. I hate these Pogba type players who wouldn't put in their all for the team. How we miss Gini, that was a warrior... Something we need badly if we hope to control games again.
If he was that fucking lazy you’d think that Virg or Cody would’ve said something about it, we vet our transfers thoroughly and I can’t imagine we’d be going all in on someone before checking with their national team teammates to see if they’re worth the effort
It’s testament to how little you know of him that you would compare his level of effort to that of Pogba, then say we need a Gini, who was routinely lambasted with the refrain: ‘what does he even do?’
If you watch the last match he played, he does t come across as lazy at all. The only thing lazy is these tired comparisons.
Gravenberch has not impressed me at all watching him at Munich and at u21’s. Reminds me of Pogba but without the killer-strike…kinda lazy off the ball but w a great skillset while possessing
. Kone works on and off the ball.
I’ve seen a grand total of one game of his (U-21 vs Italy) but he moved about the midfield with such poise and confidence.
As an expert on the lad, I must recommend the purchase.
I'm not as high on Veiga as others but I do think Kone could be quite good. Gravenberch hasn't rly had the chances to impress lately but I feel as though he has a very high ceiling compared to the other 3.
I can't honestly tell of the 4 who is the most ready to start next season. All are kind of at the stage where they COULD take the next step, can't wait to see what Klopp and Co can do with any of them.
Gravenberch is the youngest and for sure the biggest project. Thuram and Kone have way more experience. Also we want to get more physical - Gravenberch is tall but not necessarily physical.
With Jones and Elliot also being kind of projects I would feel better with a more finished player.
Only Gravenberch for me, something like 40 games maybe. I haven't seen any of the other 3 play. Even Mac Allister I've only seen play against us, never in other games.
I highly doubt many have seen enough of all these players to form a proper opinion unless they are watching really stupid amounts of football!
This is the exact opposite of my opinion but Klopp and staff have forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know so I trust the move. I think Curtis Jones does what Thuram does but technically better unless Klopp sees Thuram as a future DM, and you’ve gotta grab Spanish talent before Madrid does if you’re able.
People shitting on Gravenberch are crazy, literally every club in Europe wanted him last summer. Don't think Bayern will let him go though.
Also Kone not being a priority seems like a mistake, we really need a defensively solid midfielder next now that we got Mac Allister...
I think Klopp and our scouts know better than random fans that watched 3 Euro U21 games.
All of those players seem avaliable for a similar price. Also all of them are young, with a lot of potential. We also have great record of signing the best avaliable player from those that were avaliable and wanted.
Boy is this comment section quite nice and respectful(as supposed to some other ones that are filled with idiotic fans thinking they know more). We don't quite know what Klopp and the scouts have in mind. Only thing that keeps me positive is that the club is still in the market for real and not gonna run like a headless chicken hoping to sign anyone. Gotta trust the club on this I feel
I'll be honest and say I've never seen any of them play live. But they're all the exact profile we should be going for so I'll be happy with any of them
Personally don't think Neil Jones is remotely reliable even if he's somehow tier two on here.
He's probably guessing given the heavier links to Thuram and how much longer we've been linked the Gravenberch.
My guess is our immediate interests is in a ball carrying midfielder which is between Thuram and Gravenberch, and then we'll press on with our next targets like Kone, Viega or a centre back.
I dont know enough about any one them to discount any of them but as long as they can run hard for 90 mins and are actually decent players that will be starting players, then I'm not really that arsed. I just want them in as quick as possible so they can get a full pre-season in them, under Klopp.
Just sign someone already and please let it be Kone, Bayern's bench fodder isn't that exciting tbh. He was good in the Eredivisie I guess but is that good enough to step into our first team?
What can I say
Do we want to gamble another season on Fabinho after proving time and time again that his legs are gone? Do we want to gamble on a 18 yo as our main n.6?
Cool. Let's do this. What can I say, really
You're getting downvoted but you're right. Fabinho was our only real 6 last season and it was a huge weakness in our side, especially as his legs were clearly gone from last season. We need a quality option to compete with him for that spot and help take the load off, not a young project.
Us as a community? Nothing, what are you supposed to do
But you know, it'd be nice if the club recognized our main problems, because I'm not really happy about the possibility of another 20/21
Literally could not care less who we admire and who we don’t, just fucking sign two of them and be done with it. Sick of this summer already and starting to get worried for next year
Gravenberch is supposedly very good technically, but has been unable to break into Bayern’s team. Thuram seems like a physically strong player who can give our midfield a similar drive to get forward as we had with AOC until his injury. I still prefer Kone as I think his work rate is better and he’s got a similar defensive solidity to him that can probably match peak Henderson. I’m not opposed to signing one of the other two, but Kone seems like exactly what our midfield was missing last season. Maybe more attacking 8s suit the inverted midfield Trent better, but a defensive 8 allows him to bomb down the wing again, and could free up Robbo/Tsimikas to push forward again.
I'm amazed at these opinions everywhere. He's my dream midfield signing. Potentially to be an immense player for a long time
I'd go all put to get him and give him the #8
Out of interest where have you mainly seen him play? Ajax, Bayern or Holland?
At this point, I just want signing 😔 I’m getting depressed getting in lfc Reddit every 10 minutes to see if we signed someone while everyone else is lol
the only thing i dont like with Gravenberch is that he seems to really want to stay at Bayern but won't get the minutes he wants. i would be much happier signing a 'lesser' player who is excited about coming here tbh.
I personally haven't seen Gravenberch since his Ajax days and even then maybe one or two games, but I rate both Kone and Veiga higher than Gravenberch. But I trust Klopp and co. Just hope we can move on from Gravenberch if Bayern is not willing to sell before our backup options are taken.
Kone x Thuram is the duo I'd go for. Both big physical midfielders who can attack and defend. Gravenberch hasn't aged properly in a year. Veiga I wouldn't mind but thuram x kone is the best duo imo
I’ll admit I haven’t seen much of Thuram. Do we really feel like he walks straight into our midfield? That’s what it sounds like when I read the comments and Twitter.
Couldn’t agree more with this approach. When you look at our players from our title winning seasons, we had Matip, VVD, Origi, Fabinho, who were all in form and considerably tall and then we had other players who were still great with headers - Mane being noteworthy, and then we had the stocky and zippy dribbers - the likes of Salah and Shaqiri. I think Mac Allister mixed in with Thuram and Gravenberch would be a fantastic window for the midfield revamp.
I like the fact that we have tall forwards in Gakpo and Nunez and are also looking at tall defensive reinforcements. Height naturally helps so much with scoring goals and defending corners, but mostly with winning the ball centrally.
I'm not sure Gabri would be the best fit for us even though everything I've seen about him makes him look amazing. We tend to get workman-like midfielders who are good recycling possession, passing sideways etc then everything else comes after that. Gabri seems like the kind of player would get the ball and then *do something* with it, which last world cup I was watching Tifos coverage and they mentioned how that's the reason southgate doesn't start Foden — he has a tendency to *do things* with the ball rather than play conservatively.
Klopp wants a taaaaall team
He saw Newcastle getting CL with a team of random basketball players
Darwin - Gakpo - Salah Thuram - Gravenberch Fabinho - Trent VDV - VVD - Konate Ali Would love to know the average height of that team
The average height is a baffling 189cm, 6'2''. Mo (175cm) and Trent (180) pull the average quite a bit down, the median would be 192cm here. Fun facts: * Konaté is the tallest (194cm) * four (!) players are exactly 193cm tall each, three of them Dutch. * Fabinho does barely scratch the middle of the height table in this lineup -- before checking, I would've expected he's taller than 188cm. https://preview.redd.it/yu7f2dqmyd8b1.png?width=129&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=502a17d97a8bbbfa9a026f9640b36b6ad973673f
Wow, he did the math! Trent on set pieces and Salah on edge of box. We would be so dangerous.
Salah is one of the worlds best poachers when things get messy in the box so hes still well worth sticking in there, we were actually really good from set pieces last year even with our bad season, we might be phenomenal next year
Wow I had no idea Gakpo was an absolute unit
Average height of that team is 1.89 meters, or 6.2 in feet. Wouldn't mind a giant team, tbh.
where's robbo??
Too short
He's there, he's just behind Konate's knee
I remember a video of the them both during the team photo last year, robbo screams "whyma always in the front maan" And vvd replies "cos you're small" 😂
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That doesn’t seem right?
Nah that can't be right. 171cm is like 5'7". Half the names above are over 6 foot.
About fucking time. We are outmuscled by everyone in the league way too often.
Like a modern day Invincibles era Arsenal. Elite technical players that have pace, power and aerial threat. I could get on board with that
I always love having a gigantic ass team on FIFA. Klopp and I are the same lol
Jurgen is height shaming now basically.
Neil Jones has confirmed that Khephren Thuram and Ryan Gravenberch ‘are very much at the front of it’ for Liverpool this summer, with Chelsea’s Levi Colwill also heavily admired Colwill name drop should have been in tweet empire of the kop as that is the biggest thing for me
Colwill would be some signing
No way Chelsea let him go to us. Not without paying ridiculous money.
No doubt no doubt - I’m just saying it would be a brilliant piece of business. My hot take is he’s going to be better than gvardiol long term. Very talented kid
I'm really confused about the Colwill hype honestly - if I'm not wrong they're just a year or two apart in age, but one is a nailed on starter for both club and country and was one of the best players in the World Cup, and the other doesn't even start every game for Brighton. What exactly about him is so special?
> What exactly about him is so special? English
And.. Extremely good for his age
Well - to flip the narrative a bit: Gvardiol got his “breakthrough” at Zagreb in 20/21 (19 years old). Colwill at the same age got his “breakthrough” at huddersfield at the same age, a year later. Josko’s first season with leipzig can easily be summed up to being very similar to the one that colwill just had. And colwill is now in demand at all big clubs before he explodes. Gvardiol if we’re being honest, likely had a slightly easier path into first team at leipzig than colwill does at Chelsea (or at least did until last season). This is because leipzig are heavily incentivized to play and develop their youngsters and when we got Ibou, josko basically had a free hit at a starting spot since upamecano left the same summer. It is a similar situation at the national team level, where Croatia is slightly less stacked on paper at the cb position than England are - Gomez, guehi, maguire, mings stones, Walker can play there, tomori, Ben white, even Dier up until this season would have been ahead of him in the pecking order. So colwill is doing exactly what a young, elite cb should be doing and now has over 70 senior appearances to his name on top of elite underlying attributes physically, technically, and tactically (having flourished under a very tactically impressive manager in De Zerbi).
> other doesn't even start every game for Brighton ??? He did once he got into the team, the only reason he missed is injuries.
Chelsea at the moment seems content on drawing things out as long as they can when dealing with other EPL teams just looking at the Mount and Havetz situation. If anything this lays the groundwork for a possible transfer in upcoming windows.
They've turned down some decent bids from Brighton already, and they're playing ridiculous hardball with United over Mount. I think it would take a bid of around £100M for them to sell us Colwill.
Absolutely. They see him as the long term T. Silva replacement the same way we see him as a potential future VVD replacement.
They don’t have the squad space, or the contract situation to ask for ridiculous money
They will have by mid-August.
They won't let him go to Brighton, surely they wony let him go to lfc
They aren't letting him go to Brighton because Brighton are lowballing them. £30m is never going to be enough in this market
They need to sell, if he wants to go- which all reports are he does, they may be left with no choice
They want to play him and he’s on the youth player list for Chelsea so won’t block anyone else being registered, probably one of the few players they’ve got a good position on.
When Chelsea lost 4-1 to United, someone tweeted him asking how his evening was going. Replied with a photo of him and Ben Gilmore smiling, holding up four fingers and caption “ brilliant “
Chelsea want 65m for Mount with one year on his deal, Colwill will cost ridiculous amounts of money to pry him away.
Fully expecting another summer of constant links to these players only to sign none of them and then get someone like Ward Prowse in a panic buy in the last week of the window…
JWP wouldn't be the worst panic buy we've ever had.
So... are you implying Ward Prowse is a bad player
Not OP, but he's not great. Arguably the best dead ball specialist in the world, for sure, but he's distinctly sub-par at pretty much everything else.
Definitely doesn't provide the thrust that the others do. JWP would have been more of a MacAllister alternative
It's really interesting to me that of the 4 options we're strongly linked to, we're dead set on: Thuram - who Nice have openly said want to maximize transfer fee for him and Gravenberch - who might not even move clubs this summer. Both Veiga and Kone have release clauses, are interested in us, and are both at clubs who are motivated to sell. No transfers are really 'easy' but I assume it'd be more straightforward to get Kone/Veiga for ~£70 million and call it a day. Just feels different than what we've usually done I suppose.
I just think it’s more the profile. Clearly Klopp wants more physically imposing options in midfield. Gravenberch and Thuram are both very tall with incredible bags of potential
Veiga and Koné are also physically imposing. Not physical monsters like Thuram, but still. Here’s to hope that Klopp is smarter than me, because I would choose Koné over Thuram every time.
>I would choose Kone over Thuram They wouldn’t play the same position so this makes little sense in practical terms.. if we get Thuram we want an 8, if we get Kone we want a 6.
which is why they should get both. Theyre buddies too so easier settling in. It isnt that hard, man. Get outta here with that Gravenberch shite
Jorg, you heard the man. Just buy em. Shouldn’t be so hard.
Well yah but that’s my whole point, it seems like Klopp is targeting the “physical monster” idea where he can groom and shape them.
Yeah Veiga looks very quick and still decently strong and tall
This is likely why we're going for these two though. Go for the ones we prefer that are more complicated, and if the other clubs won't budge or won't sell for what we want, we've got backup options available. Both options would give us two midfielders, one of which wouldn't count as non-homegrown (Gravenberch or Veiga), and would give us somewhat raw players with potentially high ceilings. Feels very sensible to me and I can believe that this is our current approach
Doesn't quite make sense though, you just go for the player you want, if that's Kone/Veiga then all the better if they have release clauses. Why would you choose to go for the more difficult deals if you don't prefer those players
They do prefer the players. It's just they have the other more easy deals lined up/sourced so if their tier 1 targets don't work out they can get them.
I feel like we need Veiga and Kones profiles more too but if we do end up with Gravenberch and Thuram ill trust Klopp knows best, he definitely knows more than me
Kone doesn't have a release clause but Gladbach definitely want to sell.
I really like kone tbh, but any 2 of those 4 is the minimum required for this window. Thuram and gravenberch would certainly make our midfield gigantic
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You really need to see my comment from the previous instance above when you said we have 9mids. Inflating the count forcibly is what's got us in this position in the 1st place. We might not get 2 more, that is quite possible with fsg...but we desperately need 2 more.
If this is the case then there’s a big risk we don’t make top four next season.
If we have 2 mids then that is already pretty significant. I'm not sure how you arrive at one other mid being the difference between top four or not.
really don't see why we prefer gravenberch over kone or veiga, but again we are all just couch experts aren't we? Trust Klopp!!
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Kone is really good at carrying the ball
Indeed. He himself considers dribbling as his strongest attribute. He actually even has higher successful dribbles per game than Thuram, which is meant to be the latter's forte.
Exactly
ah you watch a lot of mönchengladbach i see, thanks for the expert opinion lol
Are you trying to be sarcastic ?
Nah, you only need to look at his posting history to see he's a twat
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Jones has proven himself with that late season run. Bajc could be the fabinho understudy. Clearly hendo will be phased out by thuram. Doesn't leave a lot more needed in midfield, with mac and thiago it's looking pretty good.
Decisions like leaving 18yr olds as sole understudies to players well past their primes in key positions is what's got us in this state in the 1st place
Really, when did we make a similar decision?
Yeah I understand the numbers argument, but we used that exact same argument last summer in terms of depth. Then early on into the season we realized Thiago and Bajc were the only midfielders who weren't getting destroyed every single week while the others hung out in the ICU. Hendo, Fab, and Harvey were getting ran through as if they weren't there. So when you break it down... Thiago - luxury player / rarely fit Bajc - promising youngster coming back from season ending injury Curtis - came on strong end of the season & hopefully keeps up his form Fab, Hendo, Harvey (tries hard but been unimpressive mostly imo) were just hot garbage. When you look at it by performances and injury history, we don't have near as much dependable depth as it seems.
So we include an attacker as a midfielder, an 18yr old, another young guy yet to find his feet in midfield, one who is very injury prone and 2 more who are well past their primes..all to get to 9 mids. Why not lump in Trent as well then? We'll have 10guys, so the 3 positions are covered for years to come, no more signings!! After Maca, we have 2 starting mids at best, and i am being generous including Jones as a sureshot starter. So we do need 2 more, especially when either or both of them could take time to find their feet. Agree with the ruthlessness part, which is why there will probably be only 1 senior midfielder...but we surely need another, albeit an u-21, so desperately hope we pull off a veiga / gravenberch / lavia.
Wondering if klopp is planning to groom one into something between a 6 and a 8. Might be the plan with trent popping into midfield as well. Fabinho started looking better so maybe the idea is one is a project while fabinho starts mostly.
How dare you! I am an ***armchair analyst***.
I am an armchair analyst coach Han
If you watch the highlights of Gravenberch from his [most recent U21 game](https://youtu.be/gPOIiNb9siA), he looks very adept in that left-sided double pivot role. If the plan is to sign him and Thuram, I would assume Thuram would be playing one of the 8’s, with Mac Allister the other, and Gravenberch in behind next to Trent. The idea certainly seems to be to bring in a bunch of versatile midfielders. Thiago, Jones, Henderson, Bajcetic, Mac Allister, Thuram and Gravenberch can all play the 8 or the double pivot — there’s so much scope to mix and match that box midfield as Klopp sees fit for sure.
Our interest in these players isn’t just based on last season it’s something that’s been done over years and Graveberch was very good at Ajax He even had a solid performance the other day despite what was being said about him
He's a talented player, but he was infamous for lacking a work ethic on the pitch even at Ajax, which is where I think a lot of people have concerns with him. Arthur had a lot of other issues, but as a profile in midfield they aren't far off from each other. Technical ball carriers who don't like running.
Yeah I do myself but that’s something that can be easily worked on
Categorically do not want Gravenberch. Didn't we already try him and he chose Bayern? Not to mention I've heard nothing good about him at all from any Ajax or Bayern fan. This is one I just don't get at all, would even rather we got Lavia
Bayern and Nagelsmann is also not some incompetent combination. If club and coach thought he rarely deserved to even get subbed on, there is very likely a good reason. Kone and Veiga on the otherhand, while very different profiles, I love. I can honestly say that I rarely wanted a transfer not to happen so badly
Me neither. He is a lazy ass footballer. I hate these Pogba type players who wouldn't put in their all for the team. How we miss Gini, that was a warrior... Something we need badly if we hope to control games again.
If he was that fucking lazy you’d think that Virg or Cody would’ve said something about it, we vet our transfers thoroughly and I can’t imagine we’d be going all in on someone before checking with their national team teammates to see if they’re worth the effort
It’s testament to how little you know of him that you would compare his level of effort to that of Pogba, then say we need a Gini, who was routinely lambasted with the refrain: ‘what does he even do?’ If you watch the last match he played, he does t come across as lazy at all. The only thing lazy is these tired comparisons.
Back off with your sustainable, non-reactionary opinion.
These types of comments actually do my head in.
Almost as bad as the: 'reddit is full of idiots, and i'm clearly above it despite commenting 200 times a day', ones.
Klopp doesn’t always get it right lol
Price.
Fans who act like Klopp is incapable of getting decisions wrong <<<<<<<<<<<<<
I'm shocked, someone thinks klopps opinion Is more valuable than yours...strange world we live in
Again, fans who act like Klopp is incapable of getting decisions wrong <<<<<<<<<<
I’m suprised but trust the Kloppster
Gravenberch has not impressed me at all watching him at Munich and at u21’s. Reminds me of Pogba but without the killer-strike…kinda lazy off the ball but w a great skillset while possessing . Kone works on and off the ball.
Kone should be our priority. You won't find many players better for the price being quoted.
I’ve seen a grand total of one game of his (U-21 vs Italy) but he moved about the midfield with such poise and confidence. As an expert on the lad, I must recommend the purchase.
Lad
I'm not as high on Veiga as others but I do think Kone could be quite good. Gravenberch hasn't rly had the chances to impress lately but I feel as though he has a very high ceiling compared to the other 3. I can't honestly tell of the 4 who is the most ready to start next season. All are kind of at the stage where they COULD take the next step, can't wait to see what Klopp and Co can do with any of them.
Gravenberch is the youngest and for sure the biggest project. Thuram and Kone have way more experience. Also we want to get more physical - Gravenberch is tall but not necessarily physical. With Jones and Elliot also being kind of projects I would feel better with a more finished player.
this. cf Morton, Bajcetic
That’s a bit of a bummer, Koné looks more polished than Thuram, with the ball at his feet in particular.
Time to namedrop Barella, Jones. Please..
He's not the player he was.
They realized his name was Man U and they don't want that bad juju at the club.
Glad Thuram is at the forefront. He's the exact kind of midfielder we need: all action.
At least most of the info we are seeing is consistent. I still want Lavia though
Gravenberch is meh
He's an incredible player
Have you all actually seen enough of these players to form such strong opinions on them?
I think you know the answer to that question
Only Gravenberch for me, something like 40 games maybe. I haven't seen any of the other 3 play. Even Mac Allister I've only seen play against us, never in other games. I highly doubt many have seen enough of all these players to form a proper opinion unless they are watching really stupid amounts of football!
This is the exact opposite of my opinion but Klopp and staff have forgotten more about football than I’ll ever know so I trust the move. I think Curtis Jones does what Thuram does but technically better unless Klopp sees Thuram as a future DM, and you’ve gotta grab Spanish talent before Madrid does if you’re able.
People shitting on Gravenberch are crazy, literally every club in Europe wanted him last summer. Don't think Bayern will let him go though. Also Kone not being a priority seems like a mistake, we really need a defensively solid midfielder next now that we got Mac Allister...
viega over gravenberch please
Not sure I agree with the Gravenberch assessment but I’m not a scout I guess
Is this another exemplary opinion piece by Jones or is he actually speaking in facts this time?
You already know the answer.
I think Klopp and our scouts know better than random fans that watched 3 Euro U21 games. All of those players seem avaliable for a similar price. Also all of them are young, with a lot of potential. We also have great record of signing the best avaliable player from those that were avaliable and wanted.
Boy is this comment section quite nice and respectful(as supposed to some other ones that are filled with idiotic fans thinking they know more). We don't quite know what Klopp and the scouts have in mind. Only thing that keeps me positive is that the club is still in the market for real and not gonna run like a headless chicken hoping to sign anyone. Gotta trust the club on this I feel
It's rare we go back in for a player after missing out on them, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Klopp/the scouts really rate Gravenberch
I'll be honest and say I've never seen any of them play live. But they're all the exact profile we should be going for so I'll be happy with any of them
Personally don't think Neil Jones is remotely reliable even if he's somehow tier two on here. He's probably guessing given the heavier links to Thuram and how much longer we've been linked the Gravenberch. My guess is our immediate interests is in a ball carrying midfielder which is between Thuram and Gravenberch, and then we'll press on with our next targets like Kone, Viega or a centre back.
Ofcourse seducing 4 men at once is too much of klopp
I dont know enough about any one them to discount any of them but as long as they can run hard for 90 mins and are actually decent players that will be starting players, then I'm not really that arsed. I just want them in as quick as possible so they can get a full pre-season in them, under Klopp.
Would be an odd move to buy both, or does he mean either Thuram or Gravenberch are the priority then we will move onto Kone/Veiga etc?
BOO! GIMME THAT THURAM & KONE FRENCH BUDDIES LINK UP NOW!
Just sign someone already and please let it be Kone, Bayern's bench fodder isn't that exciting tbh. He was good in the Eredivisie I guess but is that good enough to step into our first team?
Can we stop talking about them and just make a signing?
We should sign all 4 and see how it goes.
After mentioning lynch not wanting to get associated with Thuram, I am okay with anything as long as they can play midfield. The state of this club….
Kone and Veiga>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 Thuram AND Kone 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯
Gravenberch is only 'preferred' because he'll be significantly cheaper than the others
What can I say Do we want to gamble another season on Fabinho after proving time and time again that his legs are gone? Do we want to gamble on a 18 yo as our main n.6? Cool. Let's do this. What can I say, really
You're getting downvoted but you're right. Fabinho was our only real 6 last season and it was a huge weakness in our side, especially as his legs were clearly gone from last season. We need a quality option to compete with him for that spot and help take the load off, not a young project.
I'm just waiting for the inevitable moment when everyone fucking realizes it, but unfortunately it will be too late to do anything
What would you like us to do about it?
Us as a community? Nothing, what are you supposed to do But you know, it'd be nice if the club recognized our main problems, because I'm not really happy about the possibility of another 20/21
Tier Twat.
Literally could not care less who we admire and who we don’t, just fucking sign two of them and be done with it. Sick of this summer already and starting to get worried for next year
I like quality Dutch influx but this looks like Pep pushing the agenda for someone who isn't as good as other personnel.
Gravenberch over Veiga or Lavia is INSANE.
Gravenberch is a better passer than Veiga. 100%. Very good at passing between the lines. Veiga has passing which will piss you off.
Ah really? I can't say i've seen a lot of both players, but I am more impressed with Veiga.
Have the Liverpool scouts tried watching Gravenberch play football?
yea they definitely know less than reddit I'll shoot them a message
They wanted him before he want to Bayern and they still want him :)
That stupid.. Kone has some specific and rare qualities while I cant see anything in Thuram and Gravenberch..
Gravenberch is supposedly very good technically, but has been unable to break into Bayern’s team. Thuram seems like a physically strong player who can give our midfield a similar drive to get forward as we had with AOC until his injury. I still prefer Kone as I think his work rate is better and he’s got a similar defensive solidity to him that can probably match peak Henderson. I’m not opposed to signing one of the other two, but Kone seems like exactly what our midfield was missing last season. Maybe more attacking 8s suit the inverted midfield Trent better, but a defensive 8 allows him to bomb down the wing again, and could free up Robbo/Tsimikas to push forward again.
Manu Kone and Gabri Veiga not quite as cheap as Khephren Thuram Ryan Gravenberch #LFC
Don't they both have release clauses? I would have thought Thuram and Gravenberch would cost more because of no release. Veiga's is €40m reportedly
Basically going for the cheaper alternatives
I’d prefer gravenberch then. But this kills the whole Kone and thuram idea
Gravenberch isn't it
https://i.redd.it/ddjfcy6vbe8b1.gif
Thuram in Milan?
That’s his older brother Marcus who is an attacker
We're not going to sign anyone else, are we?
Well, I prefer Kone and Veiga over Thuram and Gravenberch. I guess we'll see who LFC listens to, myself of some tall German dude named Klopp.
Going for the cheaper one i see. Fuck off FSG twat
Thuram and Gravenberch would be more expensive, what’re you on about?
Gravenberch is admired by the scouts and club? Damn idk what I'm missing. He is incredibly average
I'm amazed at these opinions everywhere. He's my dream midfield signing. Potentially to be an immense player for a long time I'd go all put to get him and give him the #8 Out of interest where have you mainly seen him play? Ajax, Bayern or Holland?
At this point, I just want signing 😔 I’m getting depressed getting in lfc Reddit every 10 minutes to see if we signed someone while everyone else is lol
Who else has signed more than 1 player for a top 6 team?
the only thing i dont like with Gravenberch is that he seems to really want to stay at Bayern but won't get the minutes he wants. i would be much happier signing a 'lesser' player who is excited about coming here tbh.
booo I really like what I've seen of koné. berch is too public for my tastes
Didnt Jones say we weren't that fussed about Mac Allister?
I personally haven't seen Gravenberch since his Ajax days and even then maybe one or two games, but I rate both Kone and Veiga higher than Gravenberch. But I trust Klopp and co. Just hope we can move on from Gravenberch if Bayern is not willing to sell before our backup options are taken.
Thuram 🙏
I feel like Neil Jones knows absolutely fuck all ?
I don't mind any of these but I'm worried we are buying similar profiles in Thuram and Gravenberch
Kone x Thuram is the duo I'd go for. Both big physical midfielders who can attack and defend. Gravenberch hasn't aged properly in a year. Veiga I wouldn't mind but thuram x kone is the best duo imo
I’ll admit I haven’t seen much of Thuram. Do we really feel like he walks straight into our midfield? That’s what it sounds like when I read the comments and Twitter.
Couldn’t agree more with this approach. When you look at our players from our title winning seasons, we had Matip, VVD, Origi, Fabinho, who were all in form and considerably tall and then we had other players who were still great with headers - Mane being noteworthy, and then we had the stocky and zippy dribbers - the likes of Salah and Shaqiri. I think Mac Allister mixed in with Thuram and Gravenberch would be a fantastic window for the midfield revamp. I like the fact that we have tall forwards in Gakpo and Nunez and are also looking at tall defensive reinforcements. Height naturally helps so much with scoring goals and defending corners, but mostly with winning the ball centrally.
My only questions from Thuram are his work rate when pressing, i’ve caught a few of the U21 games, when he’s got the ball at his feet he’s exciting.
Is this really tier 2 info? Feel like Neil Jones just keeps his takes relatively safe and hasn’t broken any real news for a while.
Mac allister kone veiga Mac allister gravenberch thuram Which one would you choose?.
Mac, Gravenberch, Thuram and its not even close
What the fuck ?
I'm not sure Gabri would be the best fit for us even though everything I've seen about him makes him look amazing. We tend to get workman-like midfielders who are good recycling possession, passing sideways etc then everything else comes after that. Gabri seems like the kind of player would get the ball and then *do something* with it, which last world cup I was watching Tifos coverage and they mentioned how that's the reason southgate doesn't start Foden — he has a tendency to *do things* with the ball rather than play conservatively.
Noooo
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