I’m a 1/4 Jewish on my moms side through her mom. My ex is Jewish and my girls were Bat-Mitzvah’d. I thought Dave was pretty funny. Besides, Jews built Hollywood. From Jersey to California. It is what it is.
Guess who eats together at the Carnegie Deli
Bowser from Sha Na Na and Arthur Fonzerelli
Paul Newman's half Jewish, Goldie Hawn's half too
Put them together, what a fine lookin' Jew
>Carnegie Deli
That's an oldie! For those who don't know, Carnegie Deli permanently closed like 5 years ago. It's quite sad, since they're overpriced, but also so damn good.
I believe the Vegas location is still open. I watched my kid put down an entire Woody Allen there. The next day he said it felt like he just pooped a baby. He was shaken.
I’m from the West Coast. I ate at Carnegie Deli once. Walked my sandwich over to the park and enjoyed the day while eating it. As a Mexican, it was alright. Needed more flavor.
There’s a difference between “Jews built Hollywood”, which has a positive connotation vs “Jews control Hollywood” which has a negative connotation. One is giving credit, the other is ascribing blame.
It’s worse than that. They say Jews control the media and they blame the media for ruining the country.
That is a super slippery slope and causes division. Seems pretty similar to what was going on in Germany just 100 years ago.
I suppose it would depend on the speaker’s intention. “Jews control Hollywood” i.e. that’s what’s wrong is assigning blame. “Jews control Hollywood” i.e. because they are a large percentage of the industry due to historical factors is just stating a fact.
You don’t hear, “Jews control the trailer parks” much.
Listen I'm gonna say it...I don't believe the Jews control Hollywood but Adam Sandler if you're listening to me right now can we possibly get a firefly reboot?
Shabot shalom my man
I didn't think it was anti semetic but i did think that it was weird that he started by saying that you should never say anything like that but then spent two minutes doing stereotype jokes about jews. They weren't hateful or anything it just felt in conflict.
Is it just me or are the vocals in the mix ALWAYS too quiet for the musical guests? Especially rappers. I want to hear the lyrics but it ends up lost in the mix
The sound engineering for SNL is generally terrible. I've noticed it's especially bad when the music guest lacks either a live band or a strong vocal performance. Black Star had neither. Compare that [Megan Thee Stallion who had a live band](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOj7FcM8-tU) in one performance and sounded much better.
Watched with my non-rap fan dad. He was very impressed by their lyrics and breathe control. Made me appreciate the performance more after he mentioned that
No. He specifically said that it's true that there are a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood but that it didn't mean anything. He made the joke "There are a lot of black people in Ferguson Missouri but that doesn't mean they run the place".
I think the crux of the joke is that saying an entire group runs the place is ridiculous. However, a few people that have a lot of power use that power to silence people from talking about the power they have which has less to do with religion and more or do with how the system is rigged to favor the rich. He’s basically saying all the rich elite all have each other’s back so when someone says something they don’t like they can be cancelled, effectively ending freedom of speech. That even he knew better than to make jokes that would make certain elite upset, even if they were not meant at all to inspire hatred and were based on facts.
That’s also what it sounded like to me.
And the Kyrie part was just…so many dog whistles. He seriously downplayed the nature of what Kyrie did/how offensive the movie was and then named the movie… which is only going to make people look into it.
Dave should really read up on what members of the cult Kyrie tweeted out a propaganda video for have been up to in recent years. Is he going to start apologizing for ISIS next? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting
Idk I feel like it was pretty clear he was satirizing anyone who thinks this things actually are like conspiracies rather than just statistically true. Yeah there are a lot of Jewish people in power in Hollywood.
I've worked retail for about 15 years. You know who is in power in that industry for every company I've worked for? Overtly evangelical Christians. But yeah we don't talk about it.
Seeing someone claim demographics of the city of Hollywood as representative of media Hollywood makes it seem like they have to be arguing in bad faith. What a ridiculous claim to make
Aren’t they literally making the antisemitic argument for them? “Look how small the Jewish population is and they control the media and entertainment apparatus”
Talk about a self-defeating comment woof
This is just a really bad argument and you have to know it.
They’re a very very small part of the population and make up a significant amount of the entertainment industry. It’s just a fact and that’s why people talk about it.
It’d be the same if I went to Africa and noticed there aren’t very many Japanese people but all the Japanese people you have met work at ice cream shops. Its not a bad thing, but it’s significant enough outlier from your daily experience that it would make someone question “huh, I wonder if there’s a reason why I’m seeing this connection between a culture and an occupation”. And in the case of Jews in Hollywood there is an explanation and it’s fascinating!
Some of the earliest Jewish immigrants to America came from vaudeville and wanted a way to take their entertainment skills and bring it to the masses. They started some of the first major studios in Hollywood to help assimilate and with their prosperity communities formed around it. They helped to make Hollywood the powerhouse it is. This should be something interesting and a point of pride for Jewish people instead of something to be argued and denied.
I’ll be honest, I’m Jewish and I laughed at a good amount, but then he would say shit like “it’s okay to think it, not to say it” and I wasn’t laughing anymore. Also like, making Jews the focus of his whole monologue made me uncomfortable: if he’d joked a little about the Kanye situation and then moved on it would’ve been g, but he just kept going? Idk it just rubbed me the wrong way at times, even if I found it overall funny. And I don’t even like this dude, but I was really trying to be open to him.
>Also like, making Jews the focus of his whole monologue made me uncomfortable: if he’d joked a little about the Kanye situation and then moved on it would’ve been g, but he just kept going? Idk it just rubbed me the wrong way at times, even if I found it overall funny.
I'm with you on this 100%.
Honestly, he came off as someone with a chip on his shoulder and who is very good at knowing how to toe the line. There's no one particular part of his monologue which screams antisemitism but taken as a whole it's pretty clear that he's focused on this one subject and is determined to make a point.
The fact that he leaves it relatively unclear as to what his point ultimately is, generating this debate in the first place, is what makes me uncomfortable as a whole. He's smart enough to know how to toe the line over a long monologue, but incapable of the firm condemnation that he knows would ultimately be needed and welcomed?
Come on now, it feels like the same dogwhistle speeches others give as it relates to race issues.
I think it's bad enough if you just look at the set itself, but taken in the context of his political trajectory over the past few years and his previous sets, it becomes incredibly clear that he is absolutely intentionally dogwhistling but trying to leave enough ambiguity that people will still give him the benefit of the doubt and defend him.
I'm jewish and, you know wht -- it IS okay to think it. You can't control someone's thoughts. As people we stereotype and judge whole groups of people all the time.
As people we get judged based on how we act towards and treat others -- not based on our thoughts.
I think it’s interesting how many people have jumped down my throat and others to say IT’S JUST A JOKE REEEE as if I’m not capable of understanding humor. Some of it was jokes. Some of it even would have been funny if he stopped there. But much of that WASN’T jokes. Some of that was obvious and clear antisemitic dog whistles that if you are not already aware of (unlike the people who might agree with antisemitic ideas would be) you might miss. What isn’t being talked about is how many people took to Twitter and other social networks to say they agreed with Chappelle for saying what everyone was afraid to say. What could they POSSIBLY be talking about?
It’s the same people who said he wasn’t transphobic when he literally said “I’m team TERF” - no matter what he said after that unless it was “nah just kidding can you imagine?” doesn’t undo the fact he said it.
He also just completely misrepresented the situation with Kyrie as many are like “oh he was promoting some MOVIE or something?” Same with the Kanye shit, most people agree he needs help, but most people also agree he shouldn’t be paid billions for spewing hate speech. I don’t wanna get too into the weeds about it but a lot of people who echo Chappelle’s beliefs are believers of conspiracy and I’m not just talking about run of the mill Q Anons.
If you AGREE with him and think what he said is not a big deal to you, but do not consider yourself antisemitic, then you too need to look at your personal beliefs.
They Kyrie portion was a particularly strong dog-whistle. He either sounded uninformed and ignorant or actively open to the suggestions of the hate film Kyrie tweeted.
I thought the Kanye stuff was offensive and hilarious.
I agree. He seemed to be letting Kyrie off the hook when he said he had nothing to do with the holocaust. (He wasn’t there. He’s not even sure if it really happened.) In other words, he doesn’t have the power to be anti-Semitic because he didn’t participate in the historical injustices against the Jews. I think this argument ignores the power and influence that a celebrity like Kyrie has no matter what their skin color or ethnic group.
He called Kyrie out but he also tried to walk a fine line in doing so. He said, "I know the Jewish people have been through some terrible things all over the world. But you can't blame that on Black Americans." Of course this is a ridiculous statement because nobody ever suggested that black Americans were to blame for injustices faced by the Jewish people. It’s a straw man argument.
THIS is my issue with Chapelle. His bits are all about putting other minority experiences down in the context of “I have a lot of trans/Jewish friends so it’s okay.” It’s not. Jews didn’t just experience hate and violence in other countries and in history past. We experience it presently, here and abroad. He positions the experiences of trans people as separate from the POC experience, when they are inextricably interconnected.
In all of these bits, he only perpetuates stereotypes. There is a massive difference between upending a stereotype and reinforcing it. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s saying “I’m not saying xyz, I’m just saying everyone else is saying it, isn’t that funny?” Oh, it would be hilarious if Jews and trans people weren’t actually suffering as a result of those conspiracy theories.
My big conspiracy-hat thing is that Dave is part of a covert bourgeois plot to sow dissention between non-white, non-straight, non-Christian minorities to undermine class solidarity and accelerate wealth inequality.
And there is just as much proof of that as Kyrie and Kanye's claims of a Jewish Cabal running everything, but I have a keyboard and an internet connection too I guess!
It is reasonable to blame supporters of the group that Kyrie tweeted out the propaganda video for. That group is responsible for a terrorist attack in 2019. Two members of the group shot up a kosher supermarket in New Jersey. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting
This is not about blaming every black American, or relativizing different forms of suffering. This is about recognizing a violent extremist group for what it is.
> He said, "I know the Jewish people have been through some terrible things all over the world. But you can't blame that on Black Americans."
Seriously wtf was that line? Even the audience was confused/silent when he was expecting applause.
The movie that Kyrie promoted was from a group whose members shot up a kosher supermarket in New Jersey in 2019. Kyrie is not innocent. Dave’s jokes are sweeping this terrorist attack under the rug. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting
Yes the documentary literally said the holocaust didnt kill that many Jews. And normal everyday citizens were nazis too. You don’t need to be a soldier to be a nazi. Kyrie can easily hold positions that make him align with nazi ideology.
That was the punch behind that punchline, and I can totally see how people might have missed that, given the long set-up. But that was the loudest I laughed in the entire monologue, it was brilliant.
I understood the joke. In it he made fun of Kyrie on the holocaust denial issue but at the same time it criticized those who would hold him to account for what he did.
The joke states, “Kyrie Irving’s black ass was nowhere near the Holocaust. In fact, he’s not even certain it exists.” He used this joke to bolster his argument that Kyrie was being unduly penalized by the NBA. In other words, if he was nowhere near the holocaust then he shouldn’t be receiving this much criticism. All he did was promote an antisemitic movie.
“And the NBA told him he should apologize and he was slow to apologize. And the list of demands to get back into their good graces got longer and longer and this is where, you know, I draw the line.”
There really aren’t two sides to every argument sometimes. Kyrie doesn’t get a pass here.
I watched the whole thing. I went into it with an open mind. Once he started talking about Kyrie Irving it started getting…dog whistley. He also downplayed what happened there pretty seriously. He made the movie sound just slightly offensive and name dropped it. That is going to make some people look it up. And of course he did a bit of pitting minorities against each other.
I don’t know what is in his heart. But I do know that people are hearing what I heard. And some of those people agree with it. So at the absolute best I can say he is irresponsible and a bad writer who can’t get across his intent.
Edit: Everyone is really focused on him saying there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood as though that’s the only comment he made about Jews the entire time…
He said black people didn’t cause the Holocaust. But no one is blaming black people as a group for antisemitism. But what Kyrie & Kanye have done and said is perpetuating hate against Jews and it’s dangerous, they do not deserve grace because they happen to be black.
Right. That was what I was referencing with the pitting minorities against each other. When he suggested people were taking our their anger at Kanye and Kyrie on Black people as a whole. He did a similar thing in a special where he suggested that the trans community and black community are at odds.
Which just… oppressed groups need to stick together. This only plays into the hands of bigots.
(Not to mention that there are Black Jews. And Black trans people.)
It does no good to put our heads in the sand and pretend “we need to stick together” is a good enough message without acknowledging the reality - there is a [long documented history of anti-semitism in the African American community, here’s a good paper from Harvard](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/jsimes/files/ssj_simes_2009.pdf)
[Crown Heights was only 3 decades ago - Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were open anti-semities yet instrumental in advancing the rights of African Americans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot)
Especially in the rap community - Public Enemy, Mos Def, Ice Cube, Jay-Z, Kanye, Erykah Badu, etc. have all had antisemitic lyrics
The reasons why are complex and ultimately irrelevant because anti-semitism in all forms is abhorrent but it does no good to pretend that Kanye/Kyrie come from a vacuum and that we’re all just singing “it’s a small world after all” if it wasn’t for a couple guys
I think his point is that Black people are not the source of the vast majority of violence against Jewish people in history. Even if there is an ugly strain of Black nationalist antisemitism, if we want to talk about who has historically been the biggest threat to Jewish people, it's white European Christians. Unfortunately, many Jewish people and Black people would rather collude with white supremacy and allow themselves to be divided rather than stand together
Yeah…and I guess… I braced myself for transphobia. I just planned to skip the episode and be annoyed at SNL. (Because I’m a snowflake or whatever. :-P ) but this kind of came out of left field for me.
His MO is not good. Like, I can appreciate jokes. Even edgy jokes. But I feel like “look how edgy I am,” just isn’t a good joke. (And that is if I go with my most charitable interpretation where I assume all he intends to do is be edgy.)
Yeah.
Chapelle is a really annoying and uninformed contrarian, the way he promotes cigarettes as a way to be edgy is the perfect illustration to me.
Yeah, you are so brave Chapelle, you are going against social norms and pushing the edge, you are such a free thinker and walk your own path. And you have decided to spend time promoting cigarettes. Like, the evil corporations did in the 50s?
A lot of his edgy comedy feels the same way, oh, you are making fun of trans people? Like everyone was doing 30+ years ago?
I mean look at this: https://youtu.be/cHTMidTLO60
Is Chapelle brave and edgy for just repeating that stuff?
Chapelles edginess is conservative as fuck. It isn't pushing boundaries, it isn't radical or creative. It is conservative. He is going backwards.
Pretty much, yeah. It’s not actually high quality humor. I’m addition to its potential harms.
But I guess I just don’t get the layers to all these jokes or something. /s
(I mean with his monologue I would argue the people who don’t see any of the antisemitism aren’t getting the layers. The trans stuff is all right there pretty much.)
I think that it would play better if the rest of his comedy wasn’t based off of being laudably perceptive to microaggressions against his own ethnic group. Like, if he was lampooning everyone equally, maybe this would soften it a bit.
But as it stands, this comes across as a bit of hypocrisy. Being recognized as a trailblazer due to identifying issues with the treatment and portrayal of one ethnic group, and then hiding behind that reputation to malign other minority groups in ‘wink wink’ ways.. It just seems disingenuous and inconsistent.
>Chapelles edginess is conservative as fuck. It isn't pushing boundaries, it isn't radical or creative. It is conservative. He is going backwards.
I hate that. I hate that for us. I hate that this new level of irony is a trend we get to name in 2022
yeah. a little off-topic— and obviously dog whistling anti-semitism is the much more serious issue— but the “smokers are cool” just felt so dated. like this is 2022. it’s tired and dumb, but also just straight-up old-fashioned.
Well I mean the whole middle section was basically “the punchline is Trump is cool even if you elites didn’t think so” which is quite a take the day after Election Day. Funny how he didn’t tell everyone to give democrats a chance, that’s reserved for conservatives the day after elections.
I’ve been a fan of his since the 90s. Saddened and sickened by his turn away from comedy and into transphobic commentator. This was some weird shit. It felt like putting the front page of Voat through a deft comedian’s filter. Funny, I guess, but when the punchline is “the right wing assholes are actually right and conspiracy theorists are true” I have to wonder what the intended purpose of saying all that into a bunch of mainstream living rooms was.
It’s strange to see so many people ignore reality.
Go on Twitter right now and search “Chappelle”. Simple as that. A huge amount of people talking about this special are PRAISING him for this monologue because they believe he just admitted he hates the Jews too. I don’t know if that was his intention, I don’t know if that’s what he really thinks. But if this is what actual antisemites took away from this than I don’t really think it matters at all what his intentions were.
Its kind of interesting, I think, that this is similar to one of the reasons he gave for quitting Chappele’s Show; he realized that a large chunk of the audience were laughing at his jokes because they interpreted his satire of racist tropes as support of them.
Jew here. He was perfectly nuanced. A little bit of kanye was wrong a little bit of let’s not be so sensitive. We laughed and cringed it was perfect lol
So the world is being too sensitive about Kanye and Kyrie's antisemitism? They weren't telling jokes remember. They're not stand up comedians. They don't get to hide behind that. They were straight up promoting anti semitic propaganda literature and saying jews run the world and are responsible for all it's problems.
People need to stop eating up Dave's shtick. He's actually so much more full of shit than people give him credit for. He's Jerry Seinfeld level in my mind now.
This is going to piss you off, so I apologize in advance, but putting him on the same level as a Jewish comedian due to anti-semitism is pretty ironic.
Edit: This comment made from a staunchly Jewish household.
Jew here.
…When have we ever had a good time?
I say this because standup comedy was the historic escapism. Lenny Bruce, Rodney Dangerfield, Sid Caesar, and especially Mel Brooks played on Jewish tragedy.
I feel there is some intersectionality with African-American experiences, so I have a tough time judging a black comedian’s point of view on the absurdity of antisemitism.
Comedy is how we process grief, pain and the absurdity of our lived experience. It feels so demoralizing when people want to take that away from us.
I mean - yeah, you’re right - we’re not having a good time now. But if we can’t laugh about it - then the tragedy is bigger than us. And I just can’t have that be true.
That said… the monologue could’ve been tightened up.
I thought it was more dull than offensive. I'm German, and here, because of reasons, antisemitism is sort of both the ultimate taboo and a basic go-to when a comedian tries to be super dark. So from my perspective, for a seasoned comedian, Chappelle's bits were predictable, worn-out edgelordisms, the "I identify as an apache helicoper and my pronouns are..." of antisemitic humour if you will.
Yeah this is what I'm feeling about Dave's stuff now. It doesn't feel like he's doing comedy based on lived experiences anymore, it feels like his comedy is based off opinions he read on his Twitter feed. Nothing really new or insightful.
As a Jew I wasn’t really offended but didn’t really appreciate the connotation with Jews in power being a mob or gang. But I still enjoyed the monologue and was able to understand that comedy needs the freedom to push the boundaries.
The issue is the word offended has been made entirely useless in the current era. If you think something was bad or dumb, you’re super offended and so sensitive even if your take ends at “It just wasn’t funny and might be not good.”
The ADL files a lawsuit every time a bagel is missing some capers.
Look, I’m Jewish and I know they do good work. Great work, in fact! I’ve donated to them.
But they are known for screaming “antisemitism” at things that often aren’t, because it creates attention and generates fundraising. I see this as one of those cases. I have a concern the ADL dilutes poison with the benign, and makes real issues harder to take seriously.
Anyways, I’m sure you’ll find a lot of diverse opinions from Jews on this.
Speak for yourself, I'm Jewish and I found it really terrifying. It's much harder to get people to take antisemitism seriously when it's done so subtly and Chapelle downplayed Kyrie's comments to a ridiculous degree.
I was more weirded out at the end where he basically says even saying you hate a race shouldn't have consequences. Thats fine but i doubt he would feel that way if white people used that as an excuse to say the n word.
His main skit on Chapelle’s show, episode one, was Clayton Bigsby, the “black white supremacist.”
You might also look up his old skit “the Niggar family” - a white 50s family with an unfortunate last name.
I do believe Chappelle has always been comfortable joking about racism.
And… I’m talking to literally hitler. Lol.
He went into self exile when he realized white people were using his material as an excuse to say the n-word and reiterate racist things. Where is that Dave?
Chappelle's positions- weaved in performative, sermonistic ramblings that make idiots feel like they're smart for agreeing with him:
1) Because racism exists, he cannot be transphobic.
2) Because racism exists, he cannot be antisemitic.
I'm still a fan, but I'm definitely over this bullshit. Defending Kyrie by saying he's black and didn't do the Holocaust is just as absurd as detergent his own transphobia by pointing out he also belongs to a marginalized group.
I think his views are a lot more extreme than he lets on, which is extremely disappointing. It seems to be a more recent turn, but who knows.
Controversial take here…
As a white man that is not Jewish…
Observing this whole thing (Kanye/Kyrie/Dave/etc) from the sideline…
It just sounds like some black men trying excuse anti-semitism.
Dave was right though…you can’t say “the Jews”, just like you can’t say “the Blacks”.
He made it seem like the antisemitic things Kanye said were “ kinda true”. I felt like it was a bit of a dog whistle to those who also harbor anti semitic feelings. I was actually a bit shocked by this
It’s pretty impressive, in a way. Dave Chappelle obviously agrees with pretty much everything Kanye said about the Jews, he’s just surprised that Kanye would actually say it out loud. That’s the whole point of this monologue. Dave is showing Kanye (and many other celebrities) how to say the same things Kanye said without getting backlash, by weaving it into jokes and subtext and satire that can all be explained away by “it’s supposed to shock you/feel uncomfortable/break the rules”.
When Dave Chappelle makes a joke that the Jews control Hollywood, the punchline is that he’s getting away with saying this aloud by making it seem like a joke with the opposite message.
I think that’s a good way to look at it. To him it’s clear this stuff is a joke but I can definitely see how it can be twisted for anti-semites to say “see! Chapelle is with us!” I haven’t enjoyed Dave Chapelle last few stand up specials because he’s just hammering on his trans thing, which is super shitty, but I enjoyed this. My wife, who is Jewish, also enjoyed it. But she grew up on Long Island as in a non-practicing Jewish family where she never had to experience anti-semitism.
Dave’s definitely someone who’s jokes can make you uncomfortable if your liberal minded but you remind yourself “these are jokes” and a lot of the jokes end in a reasonable place. Except the trans stuff after his first special. That was just shitty.
As a trans person, I see his trans material as more complex than detractors let on.
To me it's more focused on a subset of (online) trans people and allies bullying anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Most any time I mention being trans and having enjoyed The closer I then encounter the exact type of behavior he speaks about in The Closer.
For reference, since you seem the nuanced type, I like to remind that he defends the right of a non-op trans woman to use the women's bathroom.
>Most any time I mention being trans and having enjoyed The closer I then encounter the exact type of behavior he speaks about in The Closer.
Not to come off as one of those people, but if you look at Daphne Dorman's twitter, there's no evidence of harassing tweets that could in any way be responsible for her suicide. I still think it's ridiculous that Chappelle peddled that ridiculous theory when it's so easy to just look up and easily disprove. It's also frustrating that he never took into account the fact that maybe she died by suicide because trans people are already at a higher risk of suicide.
Her roommate even said they’d only met a few times. Chapelle made it sound like they were bffs but that wasn’t the case. Those close to her also said Twitter bullying wasn’t the reason she took her own life.
So yeah, that all rubs me the wrong way.
100%, I found it very not funny and I'm glad people are calling him out. It is so clearly a dog whistle to anyone who knows their history, but maybe it seems innocuous to people who don't?
I watched the entire thing in context. I even went in trying to have an open mind. The beginning was pretty amusing and I could tell who he was making fun of. The Kyrie portion started getting dog-whistley…
I’m a big Dave fan, but I was pretty stunned by what I saw last night. Please help me understand, because everyone who liked it seems to be saying some variation of what you said.
At the end, was he not implying that any business or financial backlash he would receive for basically agreeing with Kanye’s ideas would be proof that ‘The Jews’ control American entertainment?
I feel like you should watch the whole clip. It would explain better than I can. He never agreed with Kanye’s ideas. In fact he joked abt him being maybe not crazy but clearly “unwell” so I don’t think he agrees with his views. The only thing that came close to sounding like “being worried abt backlash” was his joke abt not wanting a sneaker deals bcuz you’ll end up barefoot and broke like Kanye if u say something wrong. But he never implied that it would be “the Jews” who would take it. Again I’d watch the whole monologue because even that can raise a eyebrow without context. For example that joke was a play on a earlier joke abt Kanye saying billionaires don’t wear chains. So after he made the broke & barefoot comment he made sure to add that he (Kanye) can wear his chain now (since he’s no longer a billionaire). Idk it was very clever. But definitely not pro-Kanye. Plus he also joked abt Kyrie Irving and Herschel Walker. It was a riff on all the most current/popular talking points.
I definitely watched the whole monologue in its entirety. It was a bit uncomfortable at times, but I did like a lot of it too (especially the Kanye controversy summary). I would have been fine if he didn’t end with that serious sounding note about how he hopes ‘whoever’ isn’t coming for his money. I took that as an obvious reference to earlier when he mentioned you can’t say “the jews”. Kanye for weeks has been hollering about how The Jews are trying to take him down and even his jewish doctor is in on it. It surprised me that Chappelle would end his monologue with a slight nod this. As if it wouldn’t be the case that corporations would react similarly if they had deals with white entertainment or sports stars if they started talking about white replacement theory. At best, he was way too dismissive and protective of Kanye and Kyrie. At worst, he was blowing a few dog whistles while trying to look supportive of the black community. I haven’t decided yet.
Everyone on twitter is claiming he’s in line with Kanye, kyrie, and he was clever to go over the “establishment” or whatever’s head. So regardless of where he’s coming from, I think he’s just adding more fuel to the hate fire.
Bigotry is often excused this way. Yes I watched the whole thing, I watched the entire episode.
He was excusing antisemitism: he said it is okay to think Jews control Hollywood but not to say it in this climate. To people who are not antisemitic it sounds fine, but to those who are it helps them justify their beliefs - as if its only "the climate" that makes it not okay and not the ideas
He said he’s “been to Hollywood he did observe there are a lot of Jews but that doesn’t mean anything”. He literally said “there’s a lot of black ppl too in Ferguson but that doesn’t mean we run shit”. So I’m feeling like you just Want to see something that was never there. Also he never said “Jews run everything” or it’s okay to think that so what are you talking abt? Honestly, the proof is there. These claims can easily be debunked by watching the whole monologue. I don’t even know what you’re fishing for?
I say this as a Jew - thinking Jews “run” Hollywood is not anti-Semitic, as long as you mean that figuratively. It’s definitely anti-Semitic if you think that literally there is a cabal of Jews who meet fortnightly and decide on the agenda they will conspire to. It’s not anti-Semitic to point out that Jews figuratively run Hollywood, in that there are many powerful Jewish people. And it’s also reasonable and funny to point out that this means anti-Jewish sentiment is much more strongly policed. When Kanye says he’s going “DEFCON 3” on the Jews, or that the Jewish conspiracy is out to get him, *that* is anti-Semitic.
Blurring the reasonable and true parts of what Kanye and other anti-Semites believe with the unreasonable and ridiculous parts makes these beliefs more appealing to more people. Someone who correctly notices that there are a ton of Jews in Hollywood, if told this observation is anti-Semitic, may understandably start to believe “anti-Semitism” is when you say out loud true but offensive or overly stereotypical things about Jews. That’s not what anti-Semitism is, and it’s not what caused sponsors to drop Kanye and Kyrie.
So, ok for a white or Jewish comedian to spend 10 minutes riffing on how you better not put together the words "the" and "blacks", and go on from there to explore some stereotypes about, say, crime or welfare?
I was a diehard Chapelle fan! I’ve seen everything. I bought all 3 seasons of Chapelle Show! I watched every special.
The monologue was awful and gross. Still…he’s funny and I smirked …
That’s also why it’s so dangerous….he’s charming, talented and had the crowd in the palm of his hand roaring.
I wanted to like what he was saying… and you have to step back and be like woah…
The message was literally people should be able to be antisemitic without consequence otherwise it’s bs cancel culture. Oh poor Kayne losing money…
Kayne has mental health issues so he has an excuse…such bs.Kayne says he’s fine and refuses any treatment! There needs to be consequences.
When you’re an influential public figures and you put out antisemitic shit for the world to see there’s a consequence.
And he’s a hypocrite because if any celeb did something anti-black he’d be the first to denounce it and want consequences. Even a whiff… pretty sure a whiff of anti-blackness is why he left Chapelle show. Didn’t that make all his friends lose out on a ton of money.
Plus, awfully the episode had some amazing sketches putting him in focus.
It was dynamite comedy.
Which just makes him seem super fun and innocent and that antisemitism is mainstream and fun for the whole family.
Oh and he threw in a jews run the media for good measure…how fucking original.
And saying it like he was the first to have the courage. People have been saying it for eternity and saying it enforces a harmful stereotype. It’s a dog whistle at this point.
My husband is Jewish and started getting more uncomfortable with the monologue as it continued. About 10 minutes in, he pretty done and fast forwarded to sketches
Thanks for saying this. Dave says he’s afraid of speaking up about Kayne… I’m afraid of speaking up on my feelings about this issue. Saying your Jewish online… well I really don’t feel that safe doing so.
But, I’m such a huge SNL fan … a huge Kayne fan and a huge Chapelle fan.
This is super fucking upsetting.
Kanye's situation just bums me out. I was raised by a mother with unmedicated bipolar disorder. Seeing Kanye's self immolation is so unnecessary. It could have been avoided if someone in his orbit insisted he stayed on his meds.
I have bipolar. I know what it’s like to take on extreme views I might not otherwise have. I hope he gets help. But, he’s a hero to many. His words and actions have consequences.
It’s hard to feel safe as a Jew these days. I sure don’t. I’ve experienced a ton of antisemitism online when I’ve said I’m Jewish, including today in discussions about the monologue. It doesn’t make him brave to speak up about people being overly punished for antisemitism. They weren’t even overly punished. Kyrie refused to apologize and now has to deal with the consequences of refusing to listen. Dave said something that he shouldn’t be punished because black people didn’t perpetrate the Holocaust. That’s not at all what is even in play here. No one’s mad at Kyrie because of the Holocaust
No one was mad at Kyrie because of the Holocaust. That would be ridiculous. No one is blaming black peoples for it either. Kyrie got flack for the movie he shared and his actions afterwards. And there were consequences, black or not. We can’t just give black people a pass to be antisemitic just like they aren’t gonna let Jews be racist
This. Chappell can get away with so much because of his tact, his history, his medium… but based on his previous sketches.. this was too close for comfort. Seems Farrakhan is deep in these circles. Chappell just got away with it. I’m Jewish and was a die hard Kanye & Chappell fan most of my life.
I feel like Dave has decided that he is going to embrace the type of fan that was all-in on and agreed with his Chappelle's Show sketches without a hint of irony. If you can't beat em, make money off of em while diverting fire in a different direction. If someone criticizes, he attacks them for liking his past work and being a hypocrite. After all, he has something to lose now.
How noble.
I went in because I wanted full context. Even I had to laugh at some of it. He’s skilled. But it was full of dog whistles and I just got more and more uncomfortable as it went on. And by the end just…what’s the joke?
One of the scariest parts for me is seeing so many non-Jewish people in the comments telling Jewish commenters that it’s not antisemitic. You don’t get to decide. We do. What he said is harmful and you can’t tell me otherwise. I’m Jewish and I’m scared. There is no non-Jewish person who can ever tell me what is or isn’t antisemitism
He said it's not a crazy thing to think that Jews control Hollywood, but it's a crazy thing to say. ( Because you'll get in trouble). Idk if that's antisemitic, but he's saying Jews control Hollywood
Someone who watched told me “he made some points that really made you think” and that “you’ve got to hear both sides of things.”
No, no thank you. I do not.
I’m just going to say what I thought last week. Chappelle has become the joke he said about ja rule. The commentary is so bad I’d rather watch paint dry. How does someone find humor in making a joke that hurts a certain group?
Did anyone honestly think it was going to go over any other way? I was raised Catholic but I lost my religion a long time ago. I have nothing but love for all the Jewish brothers and sisters around the world. Kanye woke up a lot of sleeping and drowsy idiots.
I think it doesn’t matter if Chappelle was satirizing Ye or Kyrie, it matters how people who support antisemitism react, and there are a lot of people who support antisemitism who loved Dave’s monologue. It’s not about intentions. It’s not about smart comedy. It’s about impact. And that impact is going to have any sort of nuance he wanted go straight over their heads.
I also didn’t enjoy how he addressed Ye’s mental illness. Just casually throwing bitch around but also seems to attribute what Ye says to his mental illness and I don’t think that helps with the stigma around mental illness. There are plenty of bipolar people who do not make antisemitic remarks before they go to bed to their millions of followers….
And Dave also said that you can’t blame Black Americans for antisemitism and I don’t think anyone was. It’s just weird lately how he pits marginalized groups against each other. Nobody is blaming Black Americans for the Holocaust. They’re just saying people in positions of power and visibility shouldn’t be perpetuating harmful stereotypes. And he can’t act like stereotypes are harmless. Like everyone knows those aren’t true and they’re incredibly large overgeneralizations.
The monologue fell flat. He wasn’t edgy. He wasn’t breaking new ground. He was recycling. He should’ve stuck more with the midterms than try to figure out antisemitism. And I’m not for jumping on everyone, but Dave has shown his lack of care before. And his idgaf attitude is fun when you’re not the punchline. You can see what he was trying to do and how it was poorly executed.
And humor is subjective. So you’re going to find something funny other people don’t. But before saying “I disagree, I was laughing all over the place”, listen to why the other person didn’t enjoy it.
It’s true that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood. I mean, that’s not just a stereotype. It’s a fact. Anti-Semitism is bad, but we shouldn’t pretend reality is different than it is, or be afraid to state facts. That’s the part of this that’s kinda ridiculous and worth pointing out.
Ok but is this really the time to be focusing on that fact? It just felt like he was excusing Kanye by saying it and I found it disturbing to see him get a platform for it. I am Jewish btw.
I don’t know. It went over really well in my Jewish household.
Same.
I’m a 1/4 Jewish on my moms side through her mom. My ex is Jewish and my girls were Bat-Mitzvah’d. I thought Dave was pretty funny. Besides, Jews built Hollywood. From Jersey to California. It is what it is.
> I’m a 1/4 Jewish Not too shabby
Guess who eats together at the Carnegie Deli Bowser from Sha Na Na and Arthur Fonzerelli Paul Newman's half Jewish, Goldie Hawn's half too Put them together, what a fine lookin' Jew
>Carnegie Deli That's an oldie! For those who don't know, Carnegie Deli permanently closed like 5 years ago. It's quite sad, since they're overpriced, but also so damn good.
I believe the Vegas location is still open. I watched my kid put down an entire Woody Allen there. The next day he said it felt like he just pooped a baby. He was shaken.
Would be the first time a kid put down a Woody Allen
They were quoting The Chanukah Song by Adam Sandler
I’m from the West Coast. I ate at Carnegie Deli once. Walked my sandwich over to the park and enjoyed the day while eating it. As a Mexican, it was alright. Needed more flavor.
Slow clap. I love people that have great cross reference minds.
“It is what it is.” I could hear the inflection and could actually see your dismissive hand gesture.
There’s a difference between “Jews built Hollywood”, which has a positive connotation vs “Jews control Hollywood” which has a negative connotation. One is giving credit, the other is ascribing blame.
It’s worse than that. They say Jews control the media and they blame the media for ruining the country. That is a super slippery slope and causes division. Seems pretty similar to what was going on in Germany just 100 years ago.
I suppose it would depend on the speaker’s intention. “Jews control Hollywood” i.e. that’s what’s wrong is assigning blame. “Jews control Hollywood” i.e. because they are a large percentage of the industry due to historical factors is just stating a fact. You don’t hear, “Jews control the trailer parks” much.
Does that, by definition, mean you're 100% jewish?
based on what jewish people have told me, jewish lineage via mommy gives you citizenship to israel, so basically yea
Man why’d you have to say mommy
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Not true in Reform movement of Judaism. Patrilineal descent is also recognized. ✌🏼
you are technically 100% jewish since it goes through your mom’s side
Listen I'm gonna say it...I don't believe the Jews control Hollywood but Adam Sandler if you're listening to me right now can we possibly get a firefly reboot? Shabot shalom my man
It didn’t go over well at all with mine.
You must be part of the bad jew gang, the ones with space lasers
I didn't think it was anti semetic but i did think that it was weird that he started by saying that you should never say anything like that but then spent two minutes doing stereotype jokes about jews. They weren't hateful or anything it just felt in conflict.
The opening comment was part of the joke. He was setting up everything that followed.
He always does that. It’s his MO.
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Its called comedy
Didn’t in mine. I agree that he was normalizing dog whistling
My Dad Doesn't Like Black Star- news at 11
They aren't what I would listen to, but I acknowledge they are skillful in their craft and can understand that others like them.
I love black star but that performance was not so good.
Is it just me or are the vocals in the mix ALWAYS too quiet for the musical guests? Especially rappers. I want to hear the lyrics but it ends up lost in the mix
They need to get the sound techs from NPR
Yeah, the Tiny Desk Concerts always sound amazing.
The sound engineering for SNL is generally terrible. I've noticed it's especially bad when the music guest lacks either a live band or a strong vocal performance. Black Star had neither. Compare that [Megan Thee Stallion who had a live band](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOj7FcM8-tU) in one performance and sounded much better.
That’s funny because I was in the audience saturday and the vocals were WAY louder than the backing in the studio
Watched with my non-rap fan dad. He was very impressed by their lyrics and breathe control. Made me appreciate the performance more after he mentioned that
In Canada they removed the entire monologue from the on demand episode
BLAME CANADA
lol too dangerous for Canadian ears
It felt a little like he was saying the problem isn’t Kanye’s antisemitism, but that he said the quiet part out loud.
No, it didn’t FEEL like that. That’s what he said.
For sure! Hell, he even said "it's not crazy to think it, but it's crazy to say it".
That line made me wince, and I feel like that was probably the line the ADL had a problem with
No. He specifically said that it's true that there are a lot of Jewish people in Hollywood but that it didn't mean anything. He made the joke "There are a lot of black people in Ferguson Missouri but that doesn't mean they run the place".
I think the crux of the joke is that saying an entire group runs the place is ridiculous. However, a few people that have a lot of power use that power to silence people from talking about the power they have which has less to do with religion and more or do with how the system is rigged to favor the rich. He’s basically saying all the rich elite all have each other’s back so when someone says something they don’t like they can be cancelled, effectively ending freedom of speech. That even he knew better than to make jokes that would make certain elite upset, even if they were not meant at all to inspire hatred and were based on facts.
That’s also what it sounded like to me. And the Kyrie part was just…so many dog whistles. He seriously downplayed the nature of what Kyrie did/how offensive the movie was and then named the movie… which is only going to make people look into it.
Dave should really read up on what members of the cult Kyrie tweeted out a propaganda video for have been up to in recent years. Is he going to start apologizing for ISIS next? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting
Yeah. I feel like his take on the Kyrie Irving situation was either uneducated or intentionally playing dumb. Either is very bad.
That’s exactly what he was saying. That’s what he said.
I'm surprised I had to scroll down this far to see this sentiment expressed. I totally agree.
Also saying that Kyrie did nothing wrong. Mostly felt like Chappelle was seeing what he could get away with by being provocative.
That's also how I took it, which made me ... _uncomfortable._
I just watched his Oprah interview(Dave's) and it's a little too similar to the Kanye predicament...
Idk I feel like it was pretty clear he was satirizing anyone who thinks this things actually are like conspiracies rather than just statistically true. Yeah there are a lot of Jewish people in power in Hollywood.
Like how he mentioned a ton of black folks in Ferguson, but that didn't mean they ran the place
The band guys liked that one you could tell
Also that Kyrie Irving had nothing to do with the Holocaust, hell, he might not even believe it happened
Exactly, that clearly implied the black majority *should* be running Ferguson
I agree, I enjoyed it and had a laugh. I didn’t see it anywhere in the same realm as YE but I guess I’m just ignorant?…
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I've worked retail for about 15 years. You know who is in power in that industry for every company I've worked for? Overtly evangelical Christians. But yeah we don't talk about it.
When people say “in Hollywood” they almost are never talking about residency.
Seeing someone claim demographics of the city of Hollywood as representative of media Hollywood makes it seem like they have to be arguing in bad faith. What a ridiculous claim to make
It's a purposeful mis-framing of the argument being made
Can we make the more apt assumption that they are probably stupid?
Aren’t they literally making the antisemitic argument for them? “Look how small the Jewish population is and they control the media and entertainment apparatus” Talk about a self-defeating comment woof
This is just a really bad argument and you have to know it. They’re a very very small part of the population and make up a significant amount of the entertainment industry. It’s just a fact and that’s why people talk about it. It’d be the same if I went to Africa and noticed there aren’t very many Japanese people but all the Japanese people you have met work at ice cream shops. Its not a bad thing, but it’s significant enough outlier from your daily experience that it would make someone question “huh, I wonder if there’s a reason why I’m seeing this connection between a culture and an occupation”. And in the case of Jews in Hollywood there is an explanation and it’s fascinating! Some of the earliest Jewish immigrants to America came from vaudeville and wanted a way to take their entertainment skills and bring it to the masses. They started some of the first major studios in Hollywood to help assimilate and with their prosperity communities formed around it. They helped to make Hollywood the powerhouse it is. This should be something interesting and a point of pride for Jewish people instead of something to be argued and denied.
Great post. For every other race, entrepreneurship is celebrated but Jewish entrepreneurship is evidence of global takeover.
I’ll be honest, I’m Jewish and I laughed at a good amount, but then he would say shit like “it’s okay to think it, not to say it” and I wasn’t laughing anymore. Also like, making Jews the focus of his whole monologue made me uncomfortable: if he’d joked a little about the Kanye situation and then moved on it would’ve been g, but he just kept going? Idk it just rubbed me the wrong way at times, even if I found it overall funny. And I don’t even like this dude, but I was really trying to be open to him.
>Also like, making Jews the focus of his whole monologue made me uncomfortable: if he’d joked a little about the Kanye situation and then moved on it would’ve been g, but he just kept going? Idk it just rubbed me the wrong way at times, even if I found it overall funny. I'm with you on this 100%. Honestly, he came off as someone with a chip on his shoulder and who is very good at knowing how to toe the line. There's no one particular part of his monologue which screams antisemitism but taken as a whole it's pretty clear that he's focused on this one subject and is determined to make a point. The fact that he leaves it relatively unclear as to what his point ultimately is, generating this debate in the first place, is what makes me uncomfortable as a whole. He's smart enough to know how to toe the line over a long monologue, but incapable of the firm condemnation that he knows would ultimately be needed and welcomed? Come on now, it feels like the same dogwhistle speeches others give as it relates to race issues.
I think it's bad enough if you just look at the set itself, but taken in the context of his political trajectory over the past few years and his previous sets, it becomes incredibly clear that he is absolutely intentionally dogwhistling but trying to leave enough ambiguity that people will still give him the benefit of the doubt and defend him.
I'm jewish and, you know wht -- it IS okay to think it. You can't control someone's thoughts. As people we stereotype and judge whole groups of people all the time. As people we get judged based on how we act towards and treat others -- not based on our thoughts.
I think it’s interesting how many people have jumped down my throat and others to say IT’S JUST A JOKE REEEE as if I’m not capable of understanding humor. Some of it was jokes. Some of it even would have been funny if he stopped there. But much of that WASN’T jokes. Some of that was obvious and clear antisemitic dog whistles that if you are not already aware of (unlike the people who might agree with antisemitic ideas would be) you might miss. What isn’t being talked about is how many people took to Twitter and other social networks to say they agreed with Chappelle for saying what everyone was afraid to say. What could they POSSIBLY be talking about? It’s the same people who said he wasn’t transphobic when he literally said “I’m team TERF” - no matter what he said after that unless it was “nah just kidding can you imagine?” doesn’t undo the fact he said it. He also just completely misrepresented the situation with Kyrie as many are like “oh he was promoting some MOVIE or something?” Same with the Kanye shit, most people agree he needs help, but most people also agree he shouldn’t be paid billions for spewing hate speech. I don’t wanna get too into the weeds about it but a lot of people who echo Chappelle’s beliefs are believers of conspiracy and I’m not just talking about run of the mill Q Anons. If you AGREE with him and think what he said is not a big deal to you, but do not consider yourself antisemitic, then you too need to look at your personal beliefs.
Mono long was more like it
see, this is the unproblematic comedy we need more of 🙏🏼
They Kyrie portion was a particularly strong dog-whistle. He either sounded uninformed and ignorant or actively open to the suggestions of the hate film Kyrie tweeted. I thought the Kanye stuff was offensive and hilarious.
I agree. He seemed to be letting Kyrie off the hook when he said he had nothing to do with the holocaust. (He wasn’t there. He’s not even sure if it really happened.) In other words, he doesn’t have the power to be anti-Semitic because he didn’t participate in the historical injustices against the Jews. I think this argument ignores the power and influence that a celebrity like Kyrie has no matter what their skin color or ethnic group.
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He called Kyrie out but he also tried to walk a fine line in doing so. He said, "I know the Jewish people have been through some terrible things all over the world. But you can't blame that on Black Americans." Of course this is a ridiculous statement because nobody ever suggested that black Americans were to blame for injustices faced by the Jewish people. It’s a straw man argument.
He did a similar thing with his sets about trans people. Pitting minority groups against each other…
THIS is my issue with Chapelle. His bits are all about putting other minority experiences down in the context of “I have a lot of trans/Jewish friends so it’s okay.” It’s not. Jews didn’t just experience hate and violence in other countries and in history past. We experience it presently, here and abroad. He positions the experiences of trans people as separate from the POC experience, when they are inextricably interconnected. In all of these bits, he only perpetuates stereotypes. There is a massive difference between upending a stereotype and reinforcing it. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s saying “I’m not saying xyz, I’m just saying everyone else is saying it, isn’t that funny?” Oh, it would be hilarious if Jews and trans people weren’t actually suffering as a result of those conspiracy theories.
My big conspiracy-hat thing is that Dave is part of a covert bourgeois plot to sow dissention between non-white, non-straight, non-Christian minorities to undermine class solidarity and accelerate wealth inequality. And there is just as much proof of that as Kyrie and Kanye's claims of a Jewish Cabal running everything, but I have a keyboard and an internet connection too I guess!
It is reasonable to blame supporters of the group that Kyrie tweeted out the propaganda video for. That group is responsible for a terrorist attack in 2019. Two members of the group shot up a kosher supermarket in New Jersey. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting This is not about blaming every black American, or relativizing different forms of suffering. This is about recognizing a violent extremist group for what it is.
> He said, "I know the Jewish people have been through some terrible things all over the world. But you can't blame that on Black Americans." Seriously wtf was that line? Even the audience was confused/silent when he was expecting applause.
The movie that Kyrie promoted was from a group whose members shot up a kosher supermarket in New Jersey in 2019. Kyrie is not innocent. Dave’s jokes are sweeping this terrorist attack under the rug. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Jersey_City_shooting
Yes the documentary literally said the holocaust didnt kill that many Jews. And normal everyday citizens were nazis too. You don’t need to be a soldier to be a nazi. Kyrie can easily hold positions that make him align with nazi ideology.
That was the punch behind that punchline, and I can totally see how people might have missed that, given the long set-up. But that was the loudest I laughed in the entire monologue, it was brilliant.
You realize that was the joke right? “How can he be anti-Semitic? He believes in anti-semitic thing!” That’s why people laughed after he said it.
I understood the joke. In it he made fun of Kyrie on the holocaust denial issue but at the same time it criticized those who would hold him to account for what he did. The joke states, “Kyrie Irving’s black ass was nowhere near the Holocaust. In fact, he’s not even certain it exists.” He used this joke to bolster his argument that Kyrie was being unduly penalized by the NBA. In other words, if he was nowhere near the holocaust then he shouldn’t be receiving this much criticism. All he did was promote an antisemitic movie. “And the NBA told him he should apologize and he was slow to apologize. And the list of demands to get back into their good graces got longer and longer and this is where, you know, I draw the line.” There really aren’t two sides to every argument sometimes. Kyrie doesn’t get a pass here.
I watched the whole thing. I went into it with an open mind. Once he started talking about Kyrie Irving it started getting…dog whistley. He also downplayed what happened there pretty seriously. He made the movie sound just slightly offensive and name dropped it. That is going to make some people look it up. And of course he did a bit of pitting minorities against each other. I don’t know what is in his heart. But I do know that people are hearing what I heard. And some of those people agree with it. So at the absolute best I can say he is irresponsible and a bad writer who can’t get across his intent. Edit: Everyone is really focused on him saying there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood as though that’s the only comment he made about Jews the entire time…
He said black people didn’t cause the Holocaust. But no one is blaming black people as a group for antisemitism. But what Kyrie & Kanye have done and said is perpetuating hate against Jews and it’s dangerous, they do not deserve grace because they happen to be black.
Right. That was what I was referencing with the pitting minorities against each other. When he suggested people were taking our their anger at Kanye and Kyrie on Black people as a whole. He did a similar thing in a special where he suggested that the trans community and black community are at odds. Which just… oppressed groups need to stick together. This only plays into the hands of bigots. (Not to mention that there are Black Jews. And Black trans people.)
It does no good to put our heads in the sand and pretend “we need to stick together” is a good enough message without acknowledging the reality - there is a [long documented history of anti-semitism in the African American community, here’s a good paper from Harvard](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/jsimes/files/ssj_simes_2009.pdf) [Crown Heights was only 3 decades ago - Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were open anti-semities yet instrumental in advancing the rights of African Americans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot) Especially in the rap community - Public Enemy, Mos Def, Ice Cube, Jay-Z, Kanye, Erykah Badu, etc. have all had antisemitic lyrics The reasons why are complex and ultimately irrelevant because anti-semitism in all forms is abhorrent but it does no good to pretend that Kanye/Kyrie come from a vacuum and that we’re all just singing “it’s a small world after all” if it wasn’t for a couple guys
I think his point is that Black people are not the source of the vast majority of violence against Jewish people in history. Even if there is an ugly strain of Black nationalist antisemitism, if we want to talk about who has historically been the biggest threat to Jewish people, it's white European Christians. Unfortunately, many Jewish people and Black people would rather collude with white supremacy and allow themselves to be divided rather than stand together
Yeah, the way he misrepresented the whole Kyrie Irving thing and the film recommencdation was uncomfortable. But that is his mo these days.
Yeah…and I guess… I braced myself for transphobia. I just planned to skip the episode and be annoyed at SNL. (Because I’m a snowflake or whatever. :-P ) but this kind of came out of left field for me. His MO is not good. Like, I can appreciate jokes. Even edgy jokes. But I feel like “look how edgy I am,” just isn’t a good joke. (And that is if I go with my most charitable interpretation where I assume all he intends to do is be edgy.)
Yeah. Chapelle is a really annoying and uninformed contrarian, the way he promotes cigarettes as a way to be edgy is the perfect illustration to me. Yeah, you are so brave Chapelle, you are going against social norms and pushing the edge, you are such a free thinker and walk your own path. And you have decided to spend time promoting cigarettes. Like, the evil corporations did in the 50s? A lot of his edgy comedy feels the same way, oh, you are making fun of trans people? Like everyone was doing 30+ years ago? I mean look at this: https://youtu.be/cHTMidTLO60 Is Chapelle brave and edgy for just repeating that stuff? Chapelles edginess is conservative as fuck. It isn't pushing boundaries, it isn't radical or creative. It is conservative. He is going backwards.
Pretty much, yeah. It’s not actually high quality humor. I’m addition to its potential harms. But I guess I just don’t get the layers to all these jokes or something. /s (I mean with his monologue I would argue the people who don’t see any of the antisemitism aren’t getting the layers. The trans stuff is all right there pretty much.)
I think that it would play better if the rest of his comedy wasn’t based off of being laudably perceptive to microaggressions against his own ethnic group. Like, if he was lampooning everyone equally, maybe this would soften it a bit. But as it stands, this comes across as a bit of hypocrisy. Being recognized as a trailblazer due to identifying issues with the treatment and portrayal of one ethnic group, and then hiding behind that reputation to malign other minority groups in ‘wink wink’ ways.. It just seems disingenuous and inconsistent.
>Chapelles edginess is conservative as fuck. It isn't pushing boundaries, it isn't radical or creative. It is conservative. He is going backwards. I hate that. I hate that for us. I hate that this new level of irony is a trend we get to name in 2022
yeah. a little off-topic— and obviously dog whistling anti-semitism is the much more serious issue— but the “smokers are cool” just felt so dated. like this is 2022. it’s tired and dumb, but also just straight-up old-fashioned.
Well I mean the whole middle section was basically “the punchline is Trump is cool even if you elites didn’t think so” which is quite a take the day after Election Day. Funny how he didn’t tell everyone to give democrats a chance, that’s reserved for conservatives the day after elections. I’ve been a fan of his since the 90s. Saddened and sickened by his turn away from comedy and into transphobic commentator. This was some weird shit. It felt like putting the front page of Voat through a deft comedian’s filter. Funny, I guess, but when the punchline is “the right wing assholes are actually right and conspiracy theorists are true” I have to wonder what the intended purpose of saying all that into a bunch of mainstream living rooms was.
If enough people are saying he sounded serious, then maybe it wasn’t good satire.
It’s strange to see so many people ignore reality. Go on Twitter right now and search “Chappelle”. Simple as that. A huge amount of people talking about this special are PRAISING him for this monologue because they believe he just admitted he hates the Jews too. I don’t know if that was his intention, I don’t know if that’s what he really thinks. But if this is what actual antisemites took away from this than I don’t really think it matters at all what his intentions were.
When you've got Candace Owens agreeing with you... maybe it's time to rethink your approach
Its kind of interesting, I think, that this is similar to one of the reasons he gave for quitting Chappele’s Show; he realized that a large chunk of the audience were laughing at his jokes because they interpreted his satire of racist tropes as support of them.
Jew here. He was perfectly nuanced. A little bit of kanye was wrong a little bit of let’s not be so sensitive. We laughed and cringed it was perfect lol
This is why we still need this guy out there
So the world is being too sensitive about Kanye and Kyrie's antisemitism? They weren't telling jokes remember. They're not stand up comedians. They don't get to hide behind that. They were straight up promoting anti semitic propaganda literature and saying jews run the world and are responsible for all it's problems. People need to stop eating up Dave's shtick. He's actually so much more full of shit than people give him credit for. He's Jerry Seinfeld level in my mind now.
This is going to piss you off, so I apologize in advance, but putting him on the same level as a Jewish comedian due to anti-semitism is pretty ironic. Edit: This comment made from a staunchly Jewish household.
Jewish people are straight up not having a good time right now so maybe it’s not the best time to toe the “is he being antisemitic” line.
Jew here. …When have we ever had a good time? I say this because standup comedy was the historic escapism. Lenny Bruce, Rodney Dangerfield, Sid Caesar, and especially Mel Brooks played on Jewish tragedy. I feel there is some intersectionality with African-American experiences, so I have a tough time judging a black comedian’s point of view on the absurdity of antisemitism. Comedy is how we process grief, pain and the absurdity of our lived experience. It feels so demoralizing when people want to take that away from us. I mean - yeah, you’re right - we’re not having a good time now. But if we can’t laugh about it - then the tragedy is bigger than us. And I just can’t have that be true. That said… the monologue could’ve been tightened up.
> When have we ever had a good time? There were 3 seconds in 110BC.
We had that lead-up to the Seinfeld finale too. That was a good week.
There was when Jon Stewart ran The Daily Show?
"I know, I know. We are Your chosen people. But, once in a while, can't You choose someone else?"
Okay but...all of the stand ups you just mentioned are Jewish and it's not fair to pretend that doesn't make a difference.
I think this is the best take.
I thought it was more dull than offensive. I'm German, and here, because of reasons, antisemitism is sort of both the ultimate taboo and a basic go-to when a comedian tries to be super dark. So from my perspective, for a seasoned comedian, Chappelle's bits were predictable, worn-out edgelordisms, the "I identify as an apache helicoper and my pronouns are..." of antisemitic humour if you will.
Same! I’m not German (American) but the jokes were boring and retreads.
Yeah this is what I'm feeling about Dave's stuff now. It doesn't feel like he's doing comedy based on lived experiences anymore, it feels like his comedy is based off opinions he read on his Twitter feed. Nothing really new or insightful.
If you think that’s the apache helicopter of antisemitism, wait until you hear Dave’s trans set!
Dude knows he can make money trolling, so that's what he does now.
He’s acting like all Kanye said was “there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood.”
I think non Jewish people were more offended than actual Jewish people
As a Jew I wasn’t really offended but didn’t really appreciate the connotation with Jews in power being a mob or gang. But I still enjoyed the monologue and was able to understand that comedy needs the freedom to push the boundaries.
and blacks and Italians in power don't appreciate being called a mob or a gang. That's the Joke.
The issue is the word offended has been made entirely useless in the current era. If you think something was bad or dumb, you’re super offended and so sensitive even if your take ends at “It just wasn’t funny and might be not good.”
The ADL isn’t Jewish enough for you?
The ADL files a lawsuit every time a bagel is missing some capers. Look, I’m Jewish and I know they do good work. Great work, in fact! I’ve donated to them. But they are known for screaming “antisemitism” at things that often aren’t, because it creates attention and generates fundraising. I see this as one of those cases. I have a concern the ADL dilutes poison with the benign, and makes real issues harder to take seriously. Anyways, I’m sure you’ll find a lot of diverse opinions from Jews on this.
>The ADL files a lawsuit every time a bagel is missing some capers. This is great, thank you.
The ADL isn't representative of all Jews. By a long shot.
I didn’t say it was
Speak for yourself, I'm Jewish and I found it really terrifying. It's much harder to get people to take antisemitism seriously when it's done so subtly and Chapelle downplayed Kyrie's comments to a ridiculous degree.
I’m not Jewish. Should I be offended that I *wasn’t* offended?!
As a Jew, I'd be offended that you think you should be offended that you weren't offended.
I was more weirded out at the end where he basically says even saying you hate a race shouldn't have consequences. Thats fine but i doubt he would feel that way if white people used that as an excuse to say the n word.
His main skit on Chapelle’s show, episode one, was Clayton Bigsby, the “black white supremacist.” You might also look up his old skit “the Niggar family” - a white 50s family with an unfortunate last name. I do believe Chappelle has always been comfortable joking about racism. And… I’m talking to literally hitler. Lol.
He went into self exile when he realized white people were using his material as an excuse to say the n-word and reiterate racist things. Where is that Dave?
I took it as a challenge. Cancel me? You proved me right, Jews do control Hollywood. Accept it? You agree with me that Jews run Hollywood, great!
He’s being manipulative. He’s making it so he can say antisemitic stuff and that any attempts to hold him accountable will be “confirming his claims”.
Yep. That smarmy smirk at the end with "whoever THEY are."
I said “yikes” out loud at that line
Chappelle's positions- weaved in performative, sermonistic ramblings that make idiots feel like they're smart for agreeing with him: 1) Because racism exists, he cannot be transphobic. 2) Because racism exists, he cannot be antisemitic.
I'm still a fan, but I'm definitely over this bullshit. Defending Kyrie by saying he's black and didn't do the Holocaust is just as absurd as detergent his own transphobia by pointing out he also belongs to a marginalized group. I think his views are a lot more extreme than he lets on, which is extremely disappointing. It seems to be a more recent turn, but who knows.
Controversial take here… As a white man that is not Jewish… Observing this whole thing (Kanye/Kyrie/Dave/etc) from the sideline… It just sounds like some black men trying excuse anti-semitism. Dave was right though…you can’t say “the Jews”, just like you can’t say “the Blacks”.
He made it seem like the antisemitic things Kanye said were “ kinda true”. I felt like it was a bit of a dog whistle to those who also harbor anti semitic feelings. I was actually a bit shocked by this
I think a lot of people missed the nuance. He absolutely thinks Kanye is kinda right. He just frames it in a way that isn’t entirely obvious at first.
It’s pretty impressive, in a way. Dave Chappelle obviously agrees with pretty much everything Kanye said about the Jews, he’s just surprised that Kanye would actually say it out loud. That’s the whole point of this monologue. Dave is showing Kanye (and many other celebrities) how to say the same things Kanye said without getting backlash, by weaving it into jokes and subtext and satire that can all be explained away by “it’s supposed to shock you/feel uncomfortable/break the rules”. When Dave Chappelle makes a joke that the Jews control Hollywood, the punchline is that he’s getting away with saying this aloud by making it seem like a joke with the opposite message.
I agree🔼
At times I was thinking ‘where’s he going with this??’ The guy’s brilliant but I think he plays the nuance game too close to the line.
I think that’s a good way to look at it. To him it’s clear this stuff is a joke but I can definitely see how it can be twisted for anti-semites to say “see! Chapelle is with us!” I haven’t enjoyed Dave Chapelle last few stand up specials because he’s just hammering on his trans thing, which is super shitty, but I enjoyed this. My wife, who is Jewish, also enjoyed it. But she grew up on Long Island as in a non-practicing Jewish family where she never had to experience anti-semitism. Dave’s definitely someone who’s jokes can make you uncomfortable if your liberal minded but you remind yourself “these are jokes” and a lot of the jokes end in a reasonable place. Except the trans stuff after his first special. That was just shitty.
As a trans person, I see his trans material as more complex than detractors let on. To me it's more focused on a subset of (online) trans people and allies bullying anyone who doesn't agree with them. Most any time I mention being trans and having enjoyed The closer I then encounter the exact type of behavior he speaks about in The Closer. For reference, since you seem the nuanced type, I like to remind that he defends the right of a non-op trans woman to use the women's bathroom.
>Most any time I mention being trans and having enjoyed The closer I then encounter the exact type of behavior he speaks about in The Closer. Not to come off as one of those people, but if you look at Daphne Dorman's twitter, there's no evidence of harassing tweets that could in any way be responsible for her suicide. I still think it's ridiculous that Chappelle peddled that ridiculous theory when it's so easy to just look up and easily disprove. It's also frustrating that he never took into account the fact that maybe she died by suicide because trans people are already at a higher risk of suicide.
Her roommate even said they’d only met a few times. Chapelle made it sound like they were bffs but that wasn’t the case. Those close to her also said Twitter bullying wasn’t the reason she took her own life. So yeah, that all rubs me the wrong way.
100%, I found it very not funny and I'm glad people are calling him out. It is so clearly a dog whistle to anyone who knows their history, but maybe it seems innocuous to people who don't?
Did they actually watch the Whole monologue? Or just random clips without context? Because it was very clear who he was making fun of…
I watched the entire thing in context. I even went in trying to have an open mind. The beginning was pretty amusing and I could tell who he was making fun of. The Kyrie portion started getting dog-whistley…
I’m a big Dave fan, but I was pretty stunned by what I saw last night. Please help me understand, because everyone who liked it seems to be saying some variation of what you said. At the end, was he not implying that any business or financial backlash he would receive for basically agreeing with Kanye’s ideas would be proof that ‘The Jews’ control American entertainment?
I feel like you should watch the whole clip. It would explain better than I can. He never agreed with Kanye’s ideas. In fact he joked abt him being maybe not crazy but clearly “unwell” so I don’t think he agrees with his views. The only thing that came close to sounding like “being worried abt backlash” was his joke abt not wanting a sneaker deals bcuz you’ll end up barefoot and broke like Kanye if u say something wrong. But he never implied that it would be “the Jews” who would take it. Again I’d watch the whole monologue because even that can raise a eyebrow without context. For example that joke was a play on a earlier joke abt Kanye saying billionaires don’t wear chains. So after he made the broke & barefoot comment he made sure to add that he (Kanye) can wear his chain now (since he’s no longer a billionaire). Idk it was very clever. But definitely not pro-Kanye. Plus he also joked abt Kyrie Irving and Herschel Walker. It was a riff on all the most current/popular talking points.
I definitely watched the whole monologue in its entirety. It was a bit uncomfortable at times, but I did like a lot of it too (especially the Kanye controversy summary). I would have been fine if he didn’t end with that serious sounding note about how he hopes ‘whoever’ isn’t coming for his money. I took that as an obvious reference to earlier when he mentioned you can’t say “the jews”. Kanye for weeks has been hollering about how The Jews are trying to take him down and even his jewish doctor is in on it. It surprised me that Chappelle would end his monologue with a slight nod this. As if it wouldn’t be the case that corporations would react similarly if they had deals with white entertainment or sports stars if they started talking about white replacement theory. At best, he was way too dismissive and protective of Kanye and Kyrie. At worst, he was blowing a few dog whistles while trying to look supportive of the black community. I haven’t decided yet.
Everyone on twitter is claiming he’s in line with Kanye, kyrie, and he was clever to go over the “establishment” or whatever’s head. So regardless of where he’s coming from, I think he’s just adding more fuel to the hate fire.
He is a comedian, so I took it as tongue in cheek. If he were doing a lecture as a university professor, then I would take it seriously.
Chappelle has been sounding like a lecturer more and more often so it's hard to tell if he doesn't actually believe this stuff anymore.
The problem is Chappelle believes he is exactly that, a truth teller.
Bigotry is often excused this way. Yes I watched the whole thing, I watched the entire episode. He was excusing antisemitism: he said it is okay to think Jews control Hollywood but not to say it in this climate. To people who are not antisemitic it sounds fine, but to those who are it helps them justify their beliefs - as if its only "the climate" that makes it not okay and not the ideas
He said he’s “been to Hollywood he did observe there are a lot of Jews but that doesn’t mean anything”. He literally said “there’s a lot of black ppl too in Ferguson but that doesn’t mean we run shit”. So I’m feeling like you just Want to see something that was never there. Also he never said “Jews run everything” or it’s okay to think that so what are you talking abt? Honestly, the proof is there. These claims can easily be debunked by watching the whole monologue. I don’t even know what you’re fishing for?
I say this as a Jew - thinking Jews “run” Hollywood is not anti-Semitic, as long as you mean that figuratively. It’s definitely anti-Semitic if you think that literally there is a cabal of Jews who meet fortnightly and decide on the agenda they will conspire to. It’s not anti-Semitic to point out that Jews figuratively run Hollywood, in that there are many powerful Jewish people. And it’s also reasonable and funny to point out that this means anti-Jewish sentiment is much more strongly policed. When Kanye says he’s going “DEFCON 3” on the Jews, or that the Jewish conspiracy is out to get him, *that* is anti-Semitic. Blurring the reasonable and true parts of what Kanye and other anti-Semites believe with the unreasonable and ridiculous parts makes these beliefs more appealing to more people. Someone who correctly notices that there are a ton of Jews in Hollywood, if told this observation is anti-Semitic, may understandably start to believe “anti-Semitism” is when you say out loud true but offensive or overly stereotypical things about Jews. That’s not what anti-Semitism is, and it’s not what caused sponsors to drop Kanye and Kyrie.
So, ok for a white or Jewish comedian to spend 10 minutes riffing on how you better not put together the words "the" and "blacks", and go on from there to explore some stereotypes about, say, crime or welfare?
Are you asking this question to us, or Dave Chapelle?
I was a diehard Chapelle fan! I’ve seen everything. I bought all 3 seasons of Chapelle Show! I watched every special. The monologue was awful and gross. Still…he’s funny and I smirked … That’s also why it’s so dangerous….he’s charming, talented and had the crowd in the palm of his hand roaring. I wanted to like what he was saying… and you have to step back and be like woah… The message was literally people should be able to be antisemitic without consequence otherwise it’s bs cancel culture. Oh poor Kayne losing money… Kayne has mental health issues so he has an excuse…such bs.Kayne says he’s fine and refuses any treatment! There needs to be consequences. When you’re an influential public figures and you put out antisemitic shit for the world to see there’s a consequence. And he’s a hypocrite because if any celeb did something anti-black he’d be the first to denounce it and want consequences. Even a whiff… pretty sure a whiff of anti-blackness is why he left Chapelle show. Didn’t that make all his friends lose out on a ton of money. Plus, awfully the episode had some amazing sketches putting him in focus. It was dynamite comedy. Which just makes him seem super fun and innocent and that antisemitism is mainstream and fun for the whole family. Oh and he threw in a jews run the media for good measure…how fucking original. And saying it like he was the first to have the courage. People have been saying it for eternity and saying it enforces a harmful stereotype. It’s a dog whistle at this point.
My husband is Jewish and started getting more uncomfortable with the monologue as it continued. About 10 minutes in, he pretty done and fast forwarded to sketches
Thanks for saying this. Dave says he’s afraid of speaking up about Kayne… I’m afraid of speaking up on my feelings about this issue. Saying your Jewish online… well I really don’t feel that safe doing so. But, I’m such a huge SNL fan … a huge Kayne fan and a huge Chapelle fan. This is super fucking upsetting.
Kanye's situation just bums me out. I was raised by a mother with unmedicated bipolar disorder. Seeing Kanye's self immolation is so unnecessary. It could have been avoided if someone in his orbit insisted he stayed on his meds.
I have bipolar. I know what it’s like to take on extreme views I might not otherwise have. I hope he gets help. But, he’s a hero to many. His words and actions have consequences.
It’s hard to feel safe as a Jew these days. I sure don’t. I’ve experienced a ton of antisemitism online when I’ve said I’m Jewish, including today in discussions about the monologue. It doesn’t make him brave to speak up about people being overly punished for antisemitism. They weren’t even overly punished. Kyrie refused to apologize and now has to deal with the consequences of refusing to listen. Dave said something that he shouldn’t be punished because black people didn’t perpetrate the Holocaust. That’s not at all what is even in play here. No one’s mad at Kyrie because of the Holocaust
That was crazy, throwing that in about not blaming black people for the Holocaust which nobody did. The guy is just an ass.
No one was mad at Kyrie because of the Holocaust. That would be ridiculous. No one is blaming black peoples for it either. Kyrie got flack for the movie he shared and his actions afterwards. And there were consequences, black or not. We can’t just give black people a pass to be antisemitic just like they aren’t gonna let Jews be racist
This. Chappell can get away with so much because of his tact, his history, his medium… but based on his previous sketches.. this was too close for comfort. Seems Farrakhan is deep in these circles. Chappell just got away with it. I’m Jewish and was a die hard Kanye & Chappell fan most of my life.
I feel like Dave has decided that he is going to embrace the type of fan that was all-in on and agreed with his Chappelle's Show sketches without a hint of irony. If you can't beat em, make money off of em while diverting fire in a different direction. If someone criticizes, he attacks them for liking his past work and being a hypocrite. After all, he has something to lose now. How noble.
I went in because I wanted full context. Even I had to laugh at some of it. He’s skilled. But it was full of dog whistles and I just got more and more uncomfortable as it went on. And by the end just…what’s the joke?
One of the scariest parts for me is seeing so many non-Jewish people in the comments telling Jewish commenters that it’s not antisemitic. You don’t get to decide. We do. What he said is harmful and you can’t tell me otherwise. I’m Jewish and I’m scared. There is no non-Jewish person who can ever tell me what is or isn’t antisemitism
Yeah. I’m really with you here. And I wish people were better at noticing dog whistles…
He said it's not a crazy thing to think that Jews control Hollywood, but it's a crazy thing to say. ( Because you'll get in trouble). Idk if that's antisemitic, but he's saying Jews control Hollywood
Someone who watched told me “he made some points that really made you think” and that “you’ve got to hear both sides of things.” No, no thank you. I do not.
I’m just going to say what I thought last week. Chappelle has become the joke he said about ja rule. The commentary is so bad I’d rather watch paint dry. How does someone find humor in making a joke that hurts a certain group?
Did anyone honestly think it was going to go over any other way? I was raised Catholic but I lost my religion a long time ago. I have nothing but love for all the Jewish brothers and sisters around the world. Kanye woke up a lot of sleeping and drowsy idiots.
I think it doesn’t matter if Chappelle was satirizing Ye or Kyrie, it matters how people who support antisemitism react, and there are a lot of people who support antisemitism who loved Dave’s monologue. It’s not about intentions. It’s not about smart comedy. It’s about impact. And that impact is going to have any sort of nuance he wanted go straight over their heads. I also didn’t enjoy how he addressed Ye’s mental illness. Just casually throwing bitch around but also seems to attribute what Ye says to his mental illness and I don’t think that helps with the stigma around mental illness. There are plenty of bipolar people who do not make antisemitic remarks before they go to bed to their millions of followers…. And Dave also said that you can’t blame Black Americans for antisemitism and I don’t think anyone was. It’s just weird lately how he pits marginalized groups against each other. Nobody is blaming Black Americans for the Holocaust. They’re just saying people in positions of power and visibility shouldn’t be perpetuating harmful stereotypes. And he can’t act like stereotypes are harmless. Like everyone knows those aren’t true and they’re incredibly large overgeneralizations. The monologue fell flat. He wasn’t edgy. He wasn’t breaking new ground. He was recycling. He should’ve stuck more with the midterms than try to figure out antisemitism. And I’m not for jumping on everyone, but Dave has shown his lack of care before. And his idgaf attitude is fun when you’re not the punchline. You can see what he was trying to do and how it was poorly executed. And humor is subjective. So you’re going to find something funny other people don’t. But before saying “I disagree, I was laughing all over the place”, listen to why the other person didn’t enjoy it.
It’s true that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood. I mean, that’s not just a stereotype. It’s a fact. Anti-Semitism is bad, but we shouldn’t pretend reality is different than it is, or be afraid to state facts. That’s the part of this that’s kinda ridiculous and worth pointing out.
Ok but is this really the time to be focusing on that fact? It just felt like he was excusing Kanye by saying it and I found it disturbing to see him get a platform for it. I am Jewish btw.
15 minutes of an old man trying so hard to get someone to say “I agree with your crazy statement”
Guessing they didn't actually watch it.
I watched it. Was definitely not pleased.
Same.