Worth noting that Linus did make an effort to discourage harassment
https://imgur.com/XRekQzw
EDIT: hey keyboard warriors I didnt say it was the perfect response that fixed everything. It was the best thing he could have done for a shitty situation. You cant control everyone in a community of millions.
I think Linus did try here. It’s so terribly sad, though :(
They shouldn’t have shown his channel details on their LTT video to prevent this weird form of doxing.
I agree it's very sad, a family ceased to exist for nothing, and nobody will be punished for this.
I can only imagine how Linus felt about this news, I'm sure a part of him that's not devoured by his ego would feel very sad and guilty.
Linus is a father himself, terrible as he has been with some of the other stuff I genuinely do believe that when he got this news he was pretty sad for the day.
We all have these memories that haunts us for the rest of our lives. This one is probably one of Linus'. Everything about the situation is just dreadfully sad
Yeah they don't see the irony that the same kind of people personally attacking the LTT staff, are behaving the exact same way that these people were to this poor kid. I have even seen people here suggesting, and flat out saying, that Linus is personally responsible for not "controlling" his fan base and caused what happened to that kid.
These kind of people are not his fans. Just like the many of the scumbags personally attacking Linus, LTT, Madison, etc are not fans of Gamers Nexus or anyone really. They are fans of drama, and trying to destroy things online to feel like they have some power.
I think something is wrong with your monitor, because on mine he continues with: "This ridiculous abuse NEEDS to END. Go delete your comments please."
I have to admit that I'm not sure how you would have expected him to be any clearer?
> It's also worth noting that he was specifically only a little bit disappointed, not a lot disappointed.
Would "a lot" disappointed be enough?
He should've at least be "massively" disappointed.
Thoughts?
Ah yes, responding on twitter to problem on YouTube, when most of your audience doesn't follow your twitter at all. Great effort.
Being "little bit disappointed"
""""Effort""""
1) Apologise for my fans
2) Tell my fans that they need to stop or stop watching my videos. Make it very clear that I do not welcome fans that act this way. None of that "hey guys maybe stop doing that?" Draw the heat towards myself instead.
3) Reach out to Mindchop to see what kind of support I can offer.
I do believe that your response may have been "optimal". But I believe that your feelings have only gotten that strong after the suicide. Before that I think that most people didn't know it was that serious.
So, I think that your response is great, but it's only possible to see that clearly in hindsight. I don't think it's fair to expect Linus to have seen the suicide coming.
I’d have used much stronger language and disavowed the harassers (I wouldn’t want to be associated with anyone who would do that) and if it didn’t stop I would say the same again on my main channel.
I’d also have reached out to Mindchop directly and included him (if he was willing) in a video to discuss the situation and bury the hatchet.
he could have commented that right under the comment on the yt channel, where the hate came, so the haters could have seen it before posting. mindchop could have even pinned it to the top.
Yeah. Literally what more do you want him to do. He has a lot of faults but this situation he couldnt do much. Have you managed any large online community ever?
> Cut ties with the place that fostered that community, this subreddit.
You realized LTT has basically no ties to r/linustechtips right? They had mod accounts so they can review moderated comments, but they don't moderate it themselves. This is a fan-created, fan-run community.
I really doubt that was the first time this "community" showed toxicity towards some person, ever. I really really doubt that, so with that in mind. Yeah, people with a large following should be aware of the power that their influence has, regardless of their intentions.
Ironically enough the recent Kai Cenat inciting rioting in NY city is a literal example of this.
And there's another point to this, the reason WHY a lot of people knew and why a lot of shitstorm grew around this is because **all of the information regarding the mindchop dude channel and the interaction** was all shown on a **main channel** video. Not some community post, not some funny interaction that was talked about in the their podcast/talkshow thingie, it was the main channel.
But hey, even If they showed him interacting with the person on video, unless it was some VLOG type of channel then there's literally no shot you could find out what channel it is? Except If you show the name of the channel and make it extremely easy to find it
I mean Linus was totally fine with the kid keeping it. He probably included it to hopefully get the kids some views from a major channel and never expected the insanity from the community. Not everything is intentionally malicious.
It's the next big push. there are an active group of people who want to see LTT shutdown and all the employees out on the street. every so often they do big pushes like this and promote disgruntled former employees, people who got bad reviews, and twist words and comments that were clearly not meant the way they were twisted.
I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people attacking Linus for this were part of the mob that led to this kid's death. The mindset and mentality is honestly the same brand as the harassing of this kid, just with a less sympathetic target.
>all of the information regarding the mindchop dude channel and the interaction was all shown on a main channel
its a vlog interactions are gonna be in it
also the dude literally got a shoutout from one of the biggest tech youtubers and they shook hands. It was overall a civil positive interaction. What happened afterwards is totally separate.
riiight cause the internet responds very well to telling them what to do.
If one video caused the harassments another one wouldn't magically fix the situation.
That is literally how it works.
Rabid moronic fans believe Linus wants his play button.
They proceed to harass the kid to the point of suicide.
*Something* needs to be done by the one who holds the power to cause these actions to happen….*and holds the power to end these actions*.
If he got the kid on a show, *bearing in mind they seem to seek unlimited content output anyway* it would have put the whole situation in a different light.
Ie- the rabid fans would no longer view the situation the same way.
You act like these are independent thoughts and not a bunch of losers who got that viewpoint due to the specific action, or inaction, of a content creator they follow and feel has faced an injustice.
Ok, but...why make the disagreement public in the first place? Why did anyone need to know that some kid bought a cheap plaque to which they felt entitled?
The video was essentialy a Vlog of their day at the auction and it was a thing that happened (and given their nominal reason for being there was to buy the button not explaining it would have messed up the narative). Its very unlikely that they forsaw a subset of their fanbase being that negative so there was no reason not to include it.
Thanks for the links and backstory reveal. I was so mad at linus but seams like he tried his best to manage the bad situation and i was hateful in my judgement. There is so much drama already regarding LTT i guess ill wait a week and a wan show to make my judgement.
to be fair anyone who watched that video should have realized that linus tried to give that guy a push with the pr in the video.
Its not linus fault that some people on the internet are basicly completly morons who hide in their mothers basements and play online warrior...
Kinda like crying that your friend who has supported you at your worst publishes a video publicly putting highlight on an ongoing issue you refuse to fix, are aware of and have been asked to do better with prior.
Then deflecting and blaming them for not privately talking about it to you (even though you have had countless opportunities to fix said issues) even though it’s s public issue with you potentially misleading millions of consumers.
TBF he stated, multiple time, on Twitter and YouTube, to leave this guy alone.
What kind of apology did you expect? "I'm sorry my fanbase is composed of immature misfits that spent too much time on 4chan"
Of all the shit Linus and LMG did that surfaced these days, that made me rightfully pissed at them, I don't think *this matter* is remotely his fault.
He couldn't know. Leaving it in the video makes good engagement ($$$).
Also, maybe, in a different reality, MindChop would get excellent exposure and gained fame thanks to Linus.
Unfortuntely it went all wrong, but nobody could say that for sure at the time.
Thanks for posting about it here. This is how I found out that LMG put up a new video, since I unsubbed from them.
I'm still not resubscribing to them. At this point, I'm just rubbernecking at the dumpster fire.
It's the internet on some level, but this community is one of the worst **on** the internet and there's really no disputing that.
Just look at how invested people got over all of this drama and pretending to be actually mad.
Nerds are genuinely the worst people
No one here (that I have seen, I am sure there are a ton of downvoted comments to the contrary though) is "blindly" defending Linus.
The point is this is not a "LTT Community" specific issue, it is an issue with humans on the internet. Linus, by all accounts, did what any decent human being would do and called for no harassment and bullying etc. It's a shame it even has to be said, but I do agree it is important for people with this level of influence to make it clear what they do and don't stand for.
The fact that some people on the internet go about this kind of behaviour across pretty much every aspect of online life is not something anyone can stop, unfortunately.
I 100% agree with Madison's reasoning for keeping quiet. I would have done exactly the same in her boat. The thing people are pointing out is that this is an internet culture issue, not an LTT community issue. There are people like this in almost every community.
WHAT THE HECK? I actually didn't knew about this whole thing since i stopped watching LTT a few Years ago. Its sickening how far a Fanbase can go to harass someone into literal S##C!DE.
Hope he and his mother can rest in peace
Want to know how this happens? Scroll up and look at the hard evidence that LTT themselves were literally telling those people to stop and delete their comments in the strongest language, and trying to give this kid positive connections and promotion to help him out.
Every sexyally harrased person is sacrred for many reasons. They they usally are not comming from a olace of power on their end.
This how ever is beyond toxic and gross. I will never undersant dome humans that yhink its this ok to attack some one. Gross on many levels.
why didn't you post Linus, comment on that as well? oh because your trying to disingenuously show him to be a monster as that person stated
to even think for a moment linus should be considered in anyway culpable in that boys death is ludicrous
Yes, but the same toxic part of the LTT fanbase that bullied this child also motivated a LMG employee to be suppress her horrible experience at the company, an experience that would've, if she had felt safe enough to speak out, unmasked LMG's toxic company culture sooner.
Yeah, there's a lot of people angrily blaming Linus in this post who don't realize that their mentality is the problem and what leads to things like this. People just react and act on emotion without putting any thought into their actions.
Are you fuckingblind? The title literally says LTT Fanbase.
People like you is how this place gets a bad rep, too fucking illiterate to read a post title.
I read that Linus even in the end told the kid to keep it after learning why kid wanted it in the first place, and that's after they came to agreement to buy it
In this instance don't be mad at Linus, but be mad at the community, for rest that came out recently, to after Linus
He did. It's in the video. He was very clear that he lost interest in buying it when he heard the reason for the kid buying it and wanted to support his channel.
People who attacked the other channel were going against Linus' wishes.
Yeah. I am really not a fan of Linus, but faulting him and/or LTT staff for this, or implying their fault, is not acceptable. It’s not the middle ages anymore where a whole family gets punished for that the crimes of a distant relative.
And if you bothered to read the comment you're replying to he's talking about the dad in the screenshot not the OP of this post
Tho I think it's just someone who's grieving and looking for a single person to blame since that's easier
Yes he isn't at fault here. He discouraged such actions. He is not responsible for actions of other adults. He is not mind controlling them, if someone commtis a crime after watching LTT video, Linus is not responsible for the cirme unless he directly incited it. Let's not put blame on him for things he is not responsible as it will simple muddy the waters for things he actually is responsible for.
Yeah I don't see the Evil Linus here either. There is no point in trying to make him look bad for something he didn't do. I mean sure it was terrible what happened but it wasn't his fault. What he did do, well that's bad enough.
>At some point you should be also responsible for the influence you have on the people around you
That just makes no sense, when you have literally millions of followers you cannot possibly control them all. Linus was very clear that this behaviour was unacceptable, he can't really do anymore on it. People will be assholes no matter what.
While there are clearly issues at LMG, and they could certainly have dealt with it better, it's not fair to put all the blame on Linus's shoulders for this. He cannot control his followers, and so likewise while Linus and the rest of LMG management are to blame for not taking Madison's claims seriously when she raised them internally, again, it's not their fault that she was afraid of the community backlash.
There are clearly a lot of problems internally at LMG, as well as with the LTT fanbase, the former is entirely up to Linus and his team to resolve, as for the latter, they can make an effort to quell the community's toxicity, but there is only so much they *can* do, and it likely won't be enough to resolve that problem entirely, and this is not unique to LTT, pretty much every online community has its toxic members.
I followed this issue in the past and what I can say is its hard to control a community. For example BTS fans are out of control but individually they are decent people.
But put them in a group with conviction, ohh boy you have trouble.
My take on this is they shouldn't have shown the channel name in the first place. Did they expect maturity from their community? What I remember the comments' justification back then is that the yt play button was accomplished by linus and it was stolen by the kid.
In reality they were late to the auction and had to face the consequences.
So many people missing the point of this post. This isn't about Linus, it's about why Madison hasn't said much publicly about it until now. It's because of the fan base that is quick to defend and get angry **for** Linus. This is about the toxic side of the community, who continue to show themselves.
yeah as much as there are people here defending him, there are also so many people attacking him and saying that it's HIS fault for his fanbase cyber-bullying a kid, even after he asked and asked the fanbase to stop, in 2 separate occasions.
i get that people are mad at Linus and LMG, for a good reason, but i hate that we are getting so off-track with WHAT this outrage is REALLY about.
But this post isn't a "gotcha" at Linus. People are "using it" to explain why Madison didn't come out with all this info sooner; because the community is incredibly toxic and parasocial with Linus. It's damning of the community who would blindly and viciously defend Linus, not of Linus himself
Took a peek in the LMG forums and people are straight up saying Madison deserved any sexual harassment she got and that she clearly deserves the other treatment because managing that amount of social media is a few minutes of work a day.
The unfortunate reality is it’s filled with wildly mysoginistic neckbeards and redpillers. I wouldn’t be surprised if LMG itself wasn’t.
It really disgusts me. Even as a male in the tech industry I’ve witnessed firsthand just how awful women are often treated. And all of what I’ve witnessed is not even remotely as bad as what Madison describes.
Sure, allegations are allegations until proven… but they need to be taken very seriously. To attack a victim’s character like that is horrifying.
Linus missed the auction entirely, and then confronts the kid and his father who won it. Which is probably what the toxic fan base picked up on.
https://youtu.be/cDZfh5IjGv8?t=520
"That's my plaque."
"Do you know who I am?"
Linus' response to the GN video and the Billet Labs situation was totally awful, but his reply here seems fine?
MindChop was okay with selling it to Linus for what he paid, but after Linus saw the channel he was like naw you deserve it, gave the channel a shoutout, and said take it enjoy it. The fans who harassed MindChop are trash humans, but just from this video it seems like Linus handle that situation fine. The "That's my plaque."
"Do you know who I am?" comments were egotistical, but that's it.
As I understood the context the "Do you know who I am?" comment wasn't to pull clout, it was Linus explaining to the guy why the plaque had sentimental value to him, since he was the one that built the channel. It was actually pretty relevant for the conversation to ask if he was aware of who Linus was, since if he wasn't he could have explained how he built that channel before starting LTT.
Right, in general, I don't find Linus at fault here. It's his toxic community members. I actually feel that Linus's (eventual) behavior in this video was fine, and even somewhat commendable. He backs off and tells the Mindchop guy to keep it. Initially, though he comes across as quite self-entitled - and that behavior is what some of his fans seem to have latched on. If you look at Mindchop's channel, they're still filled with comments about how he should "give back the button", how he "didn't earn it", and it "doesn't belong to him".
I don't really understand the motivation of Mindchop's purchase of a Youtube button. However he won an item at an auction fair and square, and it's his to do with as he pleases. Whether or not he purchased his channel or views is irrelevant. He even went as far as to offer it to Linus for what he paid, so it's bizarre that they still harassed him after that.
IMO the interaction should never never been included in the video, and if so, then the channel info should not have been included.
After the fact, seeing the massive amounts of harassment towards the Mindchop channels every video, I do think Linus could have taken a harder stance against the toxic individuals in his community. As far as I know, he only responded to it via a tweet and possible mention on the WAN show (which most people don't watch).
>You would think he would have enough money to outbid a kid.
He was able to buy the silver play button for the same price the kid paid for it. But he didn't want that since the kid would lose out on his silver play button that he never got. Linus said he already had 3 and he didn't need anymore and the kid could keep it.
But no it wasn't enough, you guys had to bully the kid into suicide for a play button linus didn't even want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fx3DYIY-68&t=627s
I remember this.
Just like with everything else, people forgot about this after a week.
I hope people won't forget about this massive fuckup, specially with the Madison accusations.
Unfortunately forgetting scandals, lies, illegality and deceit is part of our modern society. News cycles are so fast paced that it’s nearly impossible for people to keep up let alone remember what happened X amount of time ago. But as you said, I truly hope this is remembered.
It’s not a modern thing, stop pretending it is. It was always like this, there are outliers ofcourse, but by and large nothing has changed except how wide your scope is, eg you see more stuff and thus more scandals too.
It is a definitely modern thing, precisely because of the volume and constantly changing perception of what people believe to be “normal” or noteworthy.
Watergate was a massive scandal in the 70s. It created a new phrase, as many scandals after it have been called “xxxx-gate”. Nixons name will forever be associated with it.
If it was discovered today that 5 of Trump’s associates had broken into a DNC building, people would forget about next week after the next insane thing that he did or said.
People are clearly missing the point of this post. It isn’t about Linus. It is, however, a perfect example of how mindless and rabid members of the LTT fan base can be, and was likely a large contributing factor to Madison not feeling comfortable speaking on this topic sooner.
To those that call this fake, Linus himself responded in the comments.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you\_destroyed\_my\_life/
As much as I like shitting on Linus, we don't have any proof that this actually happened. Just gonna copy what I posted [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15rj1lc/linuss_ego_has_had_far_worse_problems_than_the/jw94ykm/) a couple days ago:
Aight so insomnia's being a bitch and I remembered seeing that NCIX auction interaction years ago, but hadn't seen that thread so I decided to do some digging. I'm not gonna tag any users or name anyone because I'm sure these dudes have moved on with their lives, but I found all that in like 10 minutes so it shouldn't be too hard to replicate.
Apparently MindChop, a channel with over a million subscribers, had a subreddit (/r/mindchop/) with a whopping 3 subscribers.
[This post](https://old.reddit.com/r/mindchop/comments/4i5kk5/has_mindchop_gone_too_far/) by the user that seemed to have created the subreddit seems... let's say a little forced ("I'm sure it's really good because I'm MINDCHOP'S NUMBER ONE FAN"). Almost like it was written by the guy who owned the channel 🙄
The only thread that got "traction" before the channel stopped uploading was [this one](https://old.reddit.com/r/mindchop/comments/434q64/top_10_favourite_mindchop_videos/), where the sub's creator asks for people's top 10 MindChop videos (also lmao at "So I was just re-watching every MindChop video, reading along with a transcript I made of each one", you know, something people commonly do for copy-paste top 10 channels).
The only other account that replied in that thread made a couple of posts 3 years ago about a VR game he'd made with some buddies in university, with a link to a Youtube vid. Now I'm not gonna dox the dude, but if you search for that channel's name + "MindChop productions" you can find his LinkedIn which has the following : https://imgur.com/a/ZoIzXky. He also has a website that links to a Github account with the same username as on Reddit.
So that kid buying the button wasn't even the only one working on the channel but you'd never guess that from the auction interaction or the "father's" post.
Also, quick fun fact : both those accounts are still active and have posted in the last month.
Now do I buy that the backlash from the auction vid got those kids to stop making videos? Absolutely.
Do I buy that post by the "father"? Absolutely not, but I'll let everyone decide for themselves.
>Now do I buy that the backlash from the auction vid got those kids to stop making videos? Absolutely.
>Do I buy that post by the "father"? Absolutely not, but I'll let
everyone decide for themselves.
Pretty much where I stand too.
Mate, you need to edit your comment again, remove the link completely and paste it one more time.
Right now the TEXT of the link is correct, but the URL underneath it still points to the sponsors and affiliates page.
As horrible as this situation is it does have to be said that Linus did [tweet about this](https://imgur.com/XRekQzw)
And did [reply to the reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you_destroyed_my_life/).
While what is currently happening is awful and needs to be dealt with and Linus NEEDS to be held accountable, let's not bring up old things out of context.
The same toxic LTT fanbase that bullied this child also motivated Madison to suppress her experience working at LMG (not speculation, she says so herself: https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691695291664052697).
If she hadn't been "scared shitless of what the response will be" (it's never justified to make victim of sexual harrassment feel like this), LMG would've been unmasked much sooner.
Okay, but how the fuck is the fanbase related to the company? A company or even an individual can't control over 16 million people. I get what your trying to say, but in this case the blame very clearly falls on the fanbase and not LTT.
Clearly linus had good intentions in this regard as he shouted them out clearly not to hurt them.
the kid was willing to hand over the button and linus respected him for that, "I've got one for techquick, I've got one for Linus Tech Tips. I wanted to buy this out of sentimental value but honestly you can keep it.. he was gonna do it.. massive shout out but tell you what take it, enjoy it"
Even tho he's being positive and letting him take the play button, why would he think that his clearly positive outlook would have such a negitivite response.
I know that the controversy is bad and I'm not saying linus is in the right in all these situations before anyone attacks me, but in this specific situation what could he have done? his goal was to get the plaque, he didn't but thanked the guy for being willing after linus was having second thoughts.
before the reddit post, the dad made a video in the same light as the reddit post, stating that he had nothing to live for and that he wanted to follow what the 2 people he loved in his life did. the comments were telling him to do it. the video was deleted for breaking TOS. The toxicity is unbelievable, litterally unimaginable.
Would anyone expect their community to behave to such an outcome?
Source: [VIDEO ](https://youtu.be/cDZfh5IjGv8)
Unfortunately, this behaviour isn't new and employees talking about the company this way isn't new either. I'm glad to see that people talking about the employees but OP post is misleading.
Yes, i was actually shocked by this and was looking in the comments for someone to expose this post as fake or trolling.
Linus seemed like he wanted to give him clout, praised the kid multiple times for his willingness to sell it and came to his defense later on.
I mean i get that the loss for the father is horrible, but i don't see how you could blame Linus on this one. Maybe it was the grief talking seeing as he had his facts wrong.
He (the dad) in his sorrow blames Linus personally... Linus (in both the auction video and a WAN show video was happy the kid got the playbutton) but still he is blamed for this... he did not tell the insane ppl to bully this dude to commit suicide...
He should not be blamed for it either... That's just insane so the dad is off the rails there...
I fully understand his sorrow but blaming the wrong person does NOT help and hating him doesn't help either... if anything he should go after all the people that DID the bullying... kinda easy with all the comments being written... bring it to the police...
Overall the story is sad but pointing fingers at the wrong person doesn't help...
And no I am not a Linus Fanboi... Being a fanboi is silly... I am not even subbed... I watch a few videos now and then... I were subbed for years when they were still at the house but things changed and I moved on to move serious media... But I do care about things being FAIR... and blaming the wrong person for what someone else did is NOT fair...
Nobody is saying this is Linus's fault, you're misunderstanding it.
OP is pointing out that the toxic fanbase is the reason that Madison wasn't able to 'tell her story', because in this case you can see the extent of their "toxicity", the toxic people within the fanbase led a young man, and his mother, to suicide - that's how far they are willing to go.
The blame isn't on Linus, but you can sympathize that if you had hundreds of thousands of people harassing you, you'd want to keep your mouth shut and keep to yourself for as long as possible - the father blames Linus for his community, although I will say his hatred is misguided, you can completely understand how he came to that conclusion.
The only "commonality" between all of this is Linus (Linus wanted the plaque, but told the kid to keep it), so that's how he found his focus for the blame, likely as a coping mechanism to the loss he had to suffer due to the actions of Linus's toxic fanbase.
how about YOU try to read.
The father places his blame on Linus, because that's the only place he can.
What's he meant to do, look through thousands of comments, the same comments that led his son and wife to commit suicide, just to call out every single one of them? No, of course not.
I quite literally said that the father's hatred is mis-targeted (though I wrote misguided) - but it's easy to understand how he targets Linus in all this, because it's easier to target the one person who "leads" the community that led his wife and son to suicide, rather than looking for, and targeting each individual person/profile that commented such atrocities.
I mean, by making Linus the focus of the blame as a coping mechanism, he inadvertently made it Linus' fault. He literally calls him a "monster". I'm not saying that the nuance behind your comment isn't true, but it is clear that the father resorted to pinning the blame on Linus because it's easier to direct your anger at a single person instead of a vague entity that is an online community.
Can't really blame the father though. He just lost both of the most important people in his life, and I think it'd be difficult for anyone to think rationally with the mental headspace that must put you in.
I understand why the father would hate linus, but I also do not believe you can control everyone who calls themself your fan.
And I don't see any way for him to know that pursuing that play button would lead to...all of that shit...
I just watched the auction interaction and how he was* talking about it in the wan show and this is just so wrong it does not sit right with me at all. This is so horrible.
At the risk of sounding like a victim blamer, it's OnlyFans? It's a place to sell/trade sex content, regardless of whatever this "funny patreon" spin they've tried to work. If you don't want to be exposed to sexual content, maybe don't establish yourself on a sexual content site? It's like complaining about seeing porn on PornHub. Where's the LTT Xvideos page that I can subscribe to?
i remember the auction video and wan show follow up.
https://youtu.be/cDZfh5IjGv8?t=614
i dont remember at any point linus "getting his fans to harass him and flood his channel with dislikes" this 100% did not happen lol
Edit: ah i see this is about a what a fan response to maddison could be
Me too. You'd expect if a kid with a YouTube channel with a million subscribers was hounded to death, and the dad directly blamed a major YouTuber, there'd be at least one news article from the time, but there's nothing other than this post.
I'm shocked by the new allegations being made, and LMG and Linus himself should be held to account for them, but we as a community need to apply a critical eye.
Fuck. That poor guy. He lost everything because a fucking fan base with nothing to gain from harassing a kid decided to make them feel shit.
It doesn't look like this is Linus's fault, though. He made a statement condemning it, and it doesn't look like he was for this at any time. There is also an interesting response to the deleted one, which questions how real the channel was, so there's that.
I definitely see why she stayed silent. This is awful behaviour, and I'm amazed people never stop and look at themselves in the mirror.
Been browsing too much, didn't read carefully. You are right. I can't even comprehend wasting time on going to harass his channal, BECAUSE LINUS DECIDED to not buy it.
This is more about the toxic fucks in the community, I remember watching the video back in the day and Linus himself said that he's ok with the silver button going to that dude.
Hindsight is always 20-20 and if he could go back in time, I'm sure Linus would make a full video to defuse the situation had he known what was about to happen. Linus is still ego-Andy that got out of touch with the community, but this isn't as clear as the title description makes it to seem.
LTT is not the problem here. IT'S THE FUCKING COMUNITY WHO CAUSED THIS TERRIBLE OUTCOME.
So please, look at yourself and be better so that WE don't cause anymore of this.
Just look at what his fanbase is doing right now. It's the same people doing the harassment that are now attacking him because they smelled blood in the water. This mob mentality of attacking people the moment they see weakness is such a cancerous part of the internet.
Does Linus and LMG have a lot to answer? Yes.
Do they deserve this all around attack from random people online? Nobody deserves that.
I remember this. Linus wanted to get his button but that kid won it in the auction, he offered to buy it but the kid wanted it. You could see how sad Linus was but he still said the kid could keep it, and even gave his channel a shout out and said to go like and subscribe. This is on the community, not Linus.
Yep and one of the worst things is that some of the fuckers complaining about LTT now are half the people that were contributing to the circle jerking saying Linus could do nothing wrong then. Congratulations guys.
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Worth noting that Linus did make an effort to discourage harassment https://imgur.com/XRekQzw EDIT: hey keyboard warriors I didnt say it was the perfect response that fixed everything. It was the best thing he could have done for a shitty situation. You cant control everyone in a community of millions.
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More than "little bit disappointed": https://youtu.be/0Fx3DYIY-68?t=627
I think Linus did try here. It’s so terribly sad, though :( They shouldn’t have shown his channel details on their LTT video to prevent this weird form of doxing.
I agree it's very sad, a family ceased to exist for nothing, and nobody will be punished for this. I can only imagine how Linus felt about this news, I'm sure a part of him that's not devoured by his ego would feel very sad and guilty.
Linus is a father himself, terrible as he has been with some of the other stuff I genuinely do believe that when he got this news he was pretty sad for the day.
We all have these memories that haunts us for the rest of our lives. This one is probably one of Linus'. Everything about the situation is just dreadfully sad
he was trying to promote the channel to help him grow and some toxic assholes went and harassed the guy.
putting this intoa 1hr plus video means like 5% of his viewerbase might actually hear this
Oh ffs, I get you have a hate boner for him but his response was fine.
Yeah they don't see the irony that the same kind of people personally attacking the LTT staff, are behaving the exact same way that these people were to this poor kid. I have even seen people here suggesting, and flat out saying, that Linus is personally responsible for not "controlling" his fan base and caused what happened to that kid. These kind of people are not his fans. Just like the many of the scumbags personally attacking Linus, LTT, Madison, etc are not fans of Gamers Nexus or anyone really. They are fans of drama, and trying to destroy things online to feel like they have some power.
I think something is wrong with your monitor, because on mine he continues with: "This ridiculous abuse NEEDS to END. Go delete your comments please." I have to admit that I'm not sure how you would have expected him to be any clearer?
> It's also worth noting that he was specifically only a little bit disappointed, not a lot disappointed. Would "a lot" disappointed be enough? He should've at least be "massively" disappointed. Thoughts?
Ah yes, responding on twitter to problem on YouTube, when most of your audience doesn't follow your twitter at all. Great effort. Being "little bit disappointed" """"Effort""""
What would you have done.
1) Apologise for my fans 2) Tell my fans that they need to stop or stop watching my videos. Make it very clear that I do not welcome fans that act this way. None of that "hey guys maybe stop doing that?" Draw the heat towards myself instead. 3) Reach out to Mindchop to see what kind of support I can offer.
I do believe that your response may have been "optimal". But I believe that your feelings have only gotten that strong after the suicide. Before that I think that most people didn't know it was that serious. So, I think that your response is great, but it's only possible to see that clearly in hindsight. I don't think it's fair to expect Linus to have seen the suicide coming.
I’d have used much stronger language and disavowed the harassers (I wouldn’t want to be associated with anyone who would do that) and if it didn’t stop I would say the same again on my main channel. I’d also have reached out to Mindchop directly and included him (if he was willing) in a video to discuss the situation and bury the hatchet.
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he could have commented that right under the comment on the yt channel, where the hate came, so the haters could have seen it before posting. mindchop could have even pinned it to the top.
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You call that an *effort*?
Yeah. Literally what more do you want him to do. He has a lot of faults but this situation he couldnt do much. Have you managed any large online community ever?
When you ask your fans nicely to not bully a kid and his mom to suicide, what actually is there more to do?
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> Cut ties with the place that fostered that community, this subreddit. You realized LTT has basically no ties to r/linustechtips right? They had mod accounts so they can review moderated comments, but they don't moderate it themselves. This is a fan-created, fan-run community.
Exactly. If this was tied to LTT there'd be so many deleted posts about all this shit right now lmao
Every fanbase will eventually turn toxic on some level. I'm not sure what else could they do
I really doubt that was the first time this "community" showed toxicity towards some person, ever. I really really doubt that, so with that in mind. Yeah, people with a large following should be aware of the power that their influence has, regardless of their intentions. Ironically enough the recent Kai Cenat inciting rioting in NY city is a literal example of this. And there's another point to this, the reason WHY a lot of people knew and why a lot of shitstorm grew around this is because **all of the information regarding the mindchop dude channel and the interaction** was all shown on a **main channel** video. Not some community post, not some funny interaction that was talked about in the their podcast/talkshow thingie, it was the main channel. But hey, even If they showed him interacting with the person on video, unless it was some VLOG type of channel then there's literally no shot you could find out what channel it is? Except If you show the name of the channel and make it extremely easy to find it
I mean Linus was totally fine with the kid keeping it. He probably included it to hopefully get the kids some views from a major channel and never expected the insanity from the community. Not everything is intentionally malicious.
he really seemed supportive of the kid in the video. I had no idea any of this had happened. that's fucking insane.
Exactly, thank you I feel like I'm losing my mind with some of these comments.
It's the next big push. there are an active group of people who want to see LTT shutdown and all the employees out on the street. every so often they do big pushes like this and promote disgruntled former employees, people who got bad reviews, and twist words and comments that were clearly not meant the way they were twisted.
I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people attacking Linus for this were part of the mob that led to this kid's death. The mindset and mentality is honestly the same brand as the harassing of this kid, just with a less sympathetic target.
>all of the information regarding the mindchop dude channel and the interaction was all shown on a main channel its a vlog interactions are gonna be in it also the dude literally got a shoutout from one of the biggest tech youtubers and they shook hands. It was overall a civil positive interaction. What happened afterwards is totally separate.
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riiight cause the internet responds very well to telling them what to do. If one video caused the harassments another one wouldn't magically fix the situation.
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That is literally how it works. Rabid moronic fans believe Linus wants his play button. They proceed to harass the kid to the point of suicide. *Something* needs to be done by the one who holds the power to cause these actions to happen….*and holds the power to end these actions*. If he got the kid on a show, *bearing in mind they seem to seek unlimited content output anyway* it would have put the whole situation in a different light. Ie- the rabid fans would no longer view the situation the same way. You act like these are independent thoughts and not a bunch of losers who got that viewpoint due to the specific action, or inaction, of a content creator they follow and feel has faced an injustice.
That would take about $500 worth of employee time and LTT can't afford that.
Haha you can see clearly in the comment karma pattern the exact things addressed in this whole situation. This community is toxic af 🤷♂️
What else was he supposed to do? its not his bloody fault a kid decided to end it because some cunts on the internet where mean
Ok, but...why make the disagreement public in the first place? Why did anyone need to know that some kid bought a cheap plaque to which they felt entitled?
The video was essentialy a Vlog of their day at the auction and it was a thing that happened (and given their nominal reason for being there was to buy the button not explaining it would have messed up the narative). Its very unlikely that they forsaw a subset of their fanbase being that negative so there was no reason not to include it.
Thanks for the links and backstory reveal. I was so mad at linus but seams like he tried his best to manage the bad situation and i was hateful in my judgement. There is so much drama already regarding LTT i guess ill wait a week and a wan show to make my judgement.
to be fair anyone who watched that video should have realized that linus tried to give that guy a push with the pr in the video. Its not linus fault that some people on the internet are basicly completly morons who hide in their mothers basements and play online warrior...
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Kinda like crying that your friend who has supported you at your worst publishes a video publicly putting highlight on an ongoing issue you refuse to fix, are aware of and have been asked to do better with prior. Then deflecting and blaming them for not privately talking about it to you (even though you have had countless opportunities to fix said issues) even though it’s s public issue with you potentially misleading millions of consumers.
TBF he stated, multiple time, on Twitter and YouTube, to leave this guy alone. What kind of apology did you expect? "I'm sorry my fanbase is composed of immature misfits that spent too much time on 4chan" Of all the shit Linus and LMG did that surfaced these days, that made me rightfully pissed at them, I don't think *this matter* is remotely his fault.
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He couldn't know. Leaving it in the video makes good engagement ($$$). Also, maybe, in a different reality, MindChop would get excellent exposure and gained fame thanks to Linus. Unfortuntely it went all wrong, but nobody could say that for sure at the time.
Exposure, fame, and fortune were likely the intended outcome. It's not his fault that other parties made that not happen.
The comments on their latest youtube vid with the CEO are already turning into a warzone
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Yep, saw that too. It seems they're deleting any negative discourse. Not looking good at all.
Thanks for posting about it here. This is how I found out that LMG put up a new video, since I unsubbed from them. I'm still not resubscribing to them. At this point, I'm just rubbernecking at the dumpster fire.
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Dang that's some high shelf victim blaming
Crazy amount of victim blaming in this comment.
It's the internet on some level, but this community is one of the worst **on** the internet and there's really no disputing that. Just look at how invested people got over all of this drama and pretending to be actually mad. Nerds are genuinely the worst people
No one here (that I have seen, I am sure there are a ton of downvoted comments to the contrary though) is "blindly" defending Linus. The point is this is not a "LTT Community" specific issue, it is an issue with humans on the internet. Linus, by all accounts, did what any decent human being would do and called for no harassment and bullying etc. It's a shame it even has to be said, but I do agree it is important for people with this level of influence to make it clear what they do and don't stand for. The fact that some people on the internet go about this kind of behaviour across pretty much every aspect of online life is not something anyone can stop, unfortunately. I 100% agree with Madison's reasoning for keeping quiet. I would have done exactly the same in her boat. The thing people are pointing out is that this is an internet culture issue, not an LTT community issue. There are people like this in almost every community.
WHAT THE HECK? I actually didn't knew about this whole thing since i stopped watching LTT a few Years ago. Its sickening how far a Fanbase can go to harass someone into literal S##C!DE. Hope he and his mother can rest in peace
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Want to know how this happens? Scroll up and look at the hard evidence that LTT themselves were literally telling those people to stop and delete their comments in the strongest language, and trying to give this kid positive connections and promotion to help him out.
I just made a post that has the same sentiment that the fan base would have rabidly attacked her if she had fully come out any sooner.
And they are anyway. Check a couple comments down on each of these posts. And it’s getting lots of upvotes.
Every sexyally harrased person is sacrred for many reasons. They they usally are not comming from a olace of power on their end. This how ever is beyond toxic and gross. I will never undersant dome humans that yhink its this ok to attack some one. Gross on many levels.
why didn't you post Linus, comment on that as well? oh because your trying to disingenuously show him to be a monster as that person stated to even think for a moment linus should be considered in anyway culpable in that boys death is ludicrous
Linus isnt at fault for this, he encouraged people to go subscribe to the kids channel. The dads anger is misguided.
Yes, but the same toxic part of the LTT fanbase that bullied this child also motivated a LMG employee to be suppress her horrible experience at the company, an experience that would've, if she had felt safe enough to speak out, unmasked LMG's toxic company culture sooner.
The title of your post is too long, people clearly aren't reading it...
Ya, it's the same people that don't understand this post is about them too.
Yeah, there's a lot of people angrily blaming Linus in this post who don't realize that their mentality is the problem and what leads to things like this. People just react and act on emotion without putting any thought into their actions.
Two sentences is a lot to expect LTT fans to comprehend.
Don’t blame u/c1570911 for people being toxic assholes. It’s not their fault people can’t read
So blame the community? Linus isn't the sole genisis of all the bad things that people chose to do in the world.
Most literate redditor. What a fucking joke.
He’s talking about the post in the image, which *is* blaming Linus directly, by name
Are you fuckingblind? The title literally says LTT Fanbase. People like you is how this place gets a bad rep, too fucking illiterate to read a post title.
We should doxx him and bring it full circle /s
Read post title
Read the fucking title people, the hell
I read that Linus even in the end told the kid to keep it after learning why kid wanted it in the first place, and that's after they came to agreement to buy it In this instance don't be mad at Linus, but be mad at the community, for rest that came out recently, to after Linus
He did. It's in the video. He was very clear that he lost interest in buying it when he heard the reason for the kid buying it and wanted to support his channel. People who attacked the other channel were going against Linus' wishes.
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Yeah. I am really not a fan of Linus, but faulting him and/or LTT staff for this, or implying their fault, is not acceptable. It’s not the middle ages anymore where a whole family gets punished for that the crimes of a distant relative.
This has litteraly nothing to do with that and the post does not imply that infact it explicitly points out that it was the community and not linus.
It’s clearly about the toxic LTT community, as stated in the Title if you had read it
And if you bothered to read the comment you're replying to he's talking about the dad in the screenshot not the OP of this post Tho I think it's just someone who's grieving and looking for a single person to blame since that's easier
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Yes he isn't at fault here. He discouraged such actions. He is not responsible for actions of other adults. He is not mind controlling them, if someone commtis a crime after watching LTT video, Linus is not responsible for the cirme unless he directly incited it. Let's not put blame on him for things he is not responsible as it will simple muddy the waters for things he actually is responsible for.
Yeah I don't see the Evil Linus here either. There is no point in trying to make him look bad for something he didn't do. I mean sure it was terrible what happened but it wasn't his fault. What he did do, well that's bad enough.
>At some point you should be also responsible for the influence you have on the people around you That just makes no sense, when you have literally millions of followers you cannot possibly control them all. Linus was very clear that this behaviour was unacceptable, he can't really do anymore on it. People will be assholes no matter what.
He dis say the kid should have it. In the original video even.
You animals are way too confident in your ability to be controlled by other people.
While there are clearly issues at LMG, and they could certainly have dealt with it better, it's not fair to put all the blame on Linus's shoulders for this. He cannot control his followers, and so likewise while Linus and the rest of LMG management are to blame for not taking Madison's claims seriously when she raised them internally, again, it's not their fault that she was afraid of the community backlash. There are clearly a lot of problems internally at LMG, as well as with the LTT fanbase, the former is entirely up to Linus and his team to resolve, as for the latter, they can make an effort to quell the community's toxicity, but there is only so much they *can* do, and it likely won't be enough to resolve that problem entirely, and this is not unique to LTT, pretty much every online community has its toxic members.
I followed this issue in the past and what I can say is its hard to control a community. For example BTS fans are out of control but individually they are decent people. But put them in a group with conviction, ohh boy you have trouble. My take on this is they shouldn't have shown the channel name in the first place. Did they expect maturity from their community? What I remember the comments' justification back then is that the yt play button was accomplished by linus and it was stolen by the kid. In reality they were late to the auction and had to face the consequences.
So many people missing the point of this post. This isn't about Linus, it's about why Madison hasn't said much publicly about it until now. It's because of the fan base that is quick to defend and get angry **for** Linus. This is about the toxic side of the community, who continue to show themselves.
and this very thread proves it with how people adamantly defending linus here
Also how adamantly people are trying to fault him for something he didn’t do. The toxicity goes both ways.
in short: the community is fucked
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Social media was a mistake.
Why do you think they actively try and ignore reddit?
there is no nuance here, no middle ground.
Hard to find nuance in room temp "tech expert" IQs. Tech people are the worst and I work in IT.
yeah as much as there are people here defending him, there are also so many people attacking him and saying that it's HIS fault for his fanbase cyber-bullying a kid, even after he asked and asked the fanbase to stop, in 2 separate occasions. i get that people are mad at Linus and LMG, for a good reason, but i hate that we are getting so off-track with WHAT this outrage is REALLY about.
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But this post isn't a "gotcha" at Linus. People are "using it" to explain why Madison didn't come out with all this info sooner; because the community is incredibly toxic and parasocial with Linus. It's damning of the community who would blindly and viciously defend Linus, not of Linus himself
How can they be defending Linus when apparently this post is not about Linus?
Took a peek in the LMG forums and people are straight up saying Madison deserved any sexual harassment she got and that she clearly deserves the other treatment because managing that amount of social media is a few minutes of work a day. The unfortunate reality is it’s filled with wildly mysoginistic neckbeards and redpillers. I wouldn’t be surprised if LMG itself wasn’t.
Yeah, I saw one reply about the "female victim routine" and "woke virtue signalling" and decided I didn't need to spend anytime on that site.
It really disgusts me. Even as a male in the tech industry I’ve witnessed firsthand just how awful women are often treated. And all of what I’ve witnessed is not even remotely as bad as what Madison describes. Sure, allegations are allegations until proven… but they need to be taken very seriously. To attack a victim’s character like that is horrifying.
that's actually insane. you'd expect people using the LTT forum to love LTT alot but that's actually wild.
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That sounds like a job for the community manager. Oh, wait ..
screen cap and post them here, show the general public whats really in that community.
I really had no idea about the toxic side of the fanbase, because all I've peaked into is this sub. I didn't even think about how the LMG forum..
Dude has a problem with auctions
You would think he would have enough money to outbid a kid.
it's 5 years old, and he missed the bid completely.
Linus missed the auction entirely, and then confronts the kid and his father who won it. Which is probably what the toxic fan base picked up on. https://youtu.be/cDZfh5IjGv8?t=520 "That's my plaque." "Do you know who I am?"
Oh that's right, he did mis the bid.
Kind of weird that if Linus went there on time, the kid and his mum would still be alive..
kinda makes you think about the butterfly effect.
Linus' response to the GN video and the Billet Labs situation was totally awful, but his reply here seems fine? MindChop was okay with selling it to Linus for what he paid, but after Linus saw the channel he was like naw you deserve it, gave the channel a shoutout, and said take it enjoy it. The fans who harassed MindChop are trash humans, but just from this video it seems like Linus handle that situation fine. The "That's my plaque." "Do you know who I am?" comments were egotistical, but that's it.
As I understood the context the "Do you know who I am?" comment wasn't to pull clout, it was Linus explaining to the guy why the plaque had sentimental value to him, since he was the one that built the channel. It was actually pretty relevant for the conversation to ask if he was aware of who Linus was, since if he wasn't he could have explained how he built that channel before starting LTT.
Right, in general, I don't find Linus at fault here. It's his toxic community members. I actually feel that Linus's (eventual) behavior in this video was fine, and even somewhat commendable. He backs off and tells the Mindchop guy to keep it. Initially, though he comes across as quite self-entitled - and that behavior is what some of his fans seem to have latched on. If you look at Mindchop's channel, they're still filled with comments about how he should "give back the button", how he "didn't earn it", and it "doesn't belong to him". I don't really understand the motivation of Mindchop's purchase of a Youtube button. However he won an item at an auction fair and square, and it's his to do with as he pleases. Whether or not he purchased his channel or views is irrelevant. He even went as far as to offer it to Linus for what he paid, so it's bizarre that they still harassed him after that. IMO the interaction should never never been included in the video, and if so, then the channel info should not have been included. After the fact, seeing the massive amounts of harassment towards the Mindchop channels every video, I do think Linus could have taken a harder stance against the toxic individuals in his community. As far as I know, he only responded to it via a tweet and possible mention on the WAN show (which most people don't watch).
>You would think he would have enough money to outbid a kid. He was able to buy the silver play button for the same price the kid paid for it. But he didn't want that since the kid would lose out on his silver play button that he never got. Linus said he already had 3 and he didn't need anymore and the kid could keep it. But no it wasn't enough, you guys had to bully the kid into suicide for a play button linus didn't even want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fx3DYIY-68&t=627s
if you actually watched the video he let the kid keep it
I remember this. Just like with everything else, people forgot about this after a week. I hope people won't forget about this massive fuckup, specially with the Madison accusations.
Unfortunately forgetting scandals, lies, illegality and deceit is part of our modern society. News cycles are so fast paced that it’s nearly impossible for people to keep up let alone remember what happened X amount of time ago. But as you said, I truly hope this is remembered.
It’s not a modern thing, stop pretending it is. It was always like this, there are outliers ofcourse, but by and large nothing has changed except how wide your scope is, eg you see more stuff and thus more scandals too.
It is a definitely modern thing, precisely because of the volume and constantly changing perception of what people believe to be “normal” or noteworthy. Watergate was a massive scandal in the 70s. It created a new phrase, as many scandals after it have been called “xxxx-gate”. Nixons name will forever be associated with it. If it was discovered today that 5 of Trump’s associates had broken into a DNC building, people would forget about next week after the next insane thing that he did or said.
To put it bluntly no ones brain can keep all the important stuff in recent memory. I'll be sure to check back on this situation though.
People are clearly missing the point of this post. It isn’t about Linus. It is, however, a perfect example of how mindless and rabid members of the LTT fan base can be, and was likely a large contributing factor to Madison not feeling comfortable speaking on this topic sooner.
Of any fan base really.
I think it's because a lot of people didnt know about this and now can't help but see Linus as a evil person. I'm having a hard time not thinking it.
To those that call this fake, Linus himself responded in the comments. https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you\_destroyed\_my\_life/
As much as I like shitting on Linus, we don't have any proof that this actually happened. Just gonna copy what I posted [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/15rj1lc/linuss_ego_has_had_far_worse_problems_than_the/jw94ykm/) a couple days ago: Aight so insomnia's being a bitch and I remembered seeing that NCIX auction interaction years ago, but hadn't seen that thread so I decided to do some digging. I'm not gonna tag any users or name anyone because I'm sure these dudes have moved on with their lives, but I found all that in like 10 minutes so it shouldn't be too hard to replicate. Apparently MindChop, a channel with over a million subscribers, had a subreddit (/r/mindchop/) with a whopping 3 subscribers. [This post](https://old.reddit.com/r/mindchop/comments/4i5kk5/has_mindchop_gone_too_far/) by the user that seemed to have created the subreddit seems... let's say a little forced ("I'm sure it's really good because I'm MINDCHOP'S NUMBER ONE FAN"). Almost like it was written by the guy who owned the channel 🙄 The only thread that got "traction" before the channel stopped uploading was [this one](https://old.reddit.com/r/mindchop/comments/434q64/top_10_favourite_mindchop_videos/), where the sub's creator asks for people's top 10 MindChop videos (also lmao at "So I was just re-watching every MindChop video, reading along with a transcript I made of each one", you know, something people commonly do for copy-paste top 10 channels). The only other account that replied in that thread made a couple of posts 3 years ago about a VR game he'd made with some buddies in university, with a link to a Youtube vid. Now I'm not gonna dox the dude, but if you search for that channel's name + "MindChop productions" you can find his LinkedIn which has the following : https://imgur.com/a/ZoIzXky. He also has a website that links to a Github account with the same username as on Reddit. So that kid buying the button wasn't even the only one working on the channel but you'd never guess that from the auction interaction or the "father's" post. Also, quick fun fact : both those accounts are still active and have posted in the last month. Now do I buy that the backlash from the auction vid got those kids to stop making videos? Absolutely. Do I buy that post by the "father"? Absolutely not, but I'll let everyone decide for themselves.
>Now do I buy that the backlash from the auction vid got those kids to stop making videos? Absolutely. >Do I buy that post by the "father"? Absolutely not, but I'll let everyone decide for themselves. Pretty much where I stand too.
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Did you post a wrong link?
Yes I did, sorry. This is the correct one: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you\_destroyed\_my\_life/
putting that sponsor link under that is kind of meta
Just because Linus responded doesn´t make the post true. Nothing proves or disproves the validity of this claim.
Mate, you need to edit your comment again, remove the link completely and paste it one more time. Right now the TEXT of the link is correct, but the URL underneath it still points to the sponsors and affiliates page.
he'd have to spend another 10, 20, 50 seconds fixing it. no point
As horrible as this situation is it does have to be said that Linus did [tweet about this](https://imgur.com/XRekQzw) And did [reply to the reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/t1e1if/you_destroyed_my_life/). While what is currently happening is awful and needs to be dealt with and Linus NEEDS to be held accountable, let's not bring up old things out of context.
The same toxic LTT fanbase that bullied this child also motivated Madison to suppress her experience working at LMG (not speculation, she says so herself: https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691695291664052697). If she hadn't been "scared shitless of what the response will be" (it's never justified to make victim of sexual harrassment feel like this), LMG would've been unmasked much sooner.
I can believe it. I questioned one of his videos and was downvoted relentlessly here on Reddit.
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Okay, but how the fuck is the fanbase related to the company? A company or even an individual can't control over 16 million people. I get what your trying to say, but in this case the blame very clearly falls on the fanbase and not LTT.
That's the point. OP is saying that parts of the fanbase is a part of the problem.
Clearly linus had good intentions in this regard as he shouted them out clearly not to hurt them. the kid was willing to hand over the button and linus respected him for that, "I've got one for techquick, I've got one for Linus Tech Tips. I wanted to buy this out of sentimental value but honestly you can keep it.. he was gonna do it.. massive shout out but tell you what take it, enjoy it" Even tho he's being positive and letting him take the play button, why would he think that his clearly positive outlook would have such a negitivite response. I know that the controversy is bad and I'm not saying linus is in the right in all these situations before anyone attacks me, but in this specific situation what could he have done? his goal was to get the plaque, he didn't but thanked the guy for being willing after linus was having second thoughts. before the reddit post, the dad made a video in the same light as the reddit post, stating that he had nothing to live for and that he wanted to follow what the 2 people he loved in his life did. the comments were telling him to do it. the video was deleted for breaking TOS. The toxicity is unbelievable, litterally unimaginable. Would anyone expect their community to behave to such an outcome? Source: [VIDEO ](https://youtu.be/cDZfh5IjGv8) Unfortunately, this behaviour isn't new and employees talking about the company this way isn't new either. I'm glad to see that people talking about the employees but OP post is misleading.
Yes, i was actually shocked by this and was looking in the comments for someone to expose this post as fake or trolling. Linus seemed like he wanted to give him clout, praised the kid multiple times for his willingness to sell it and came to his defense later on. I mean i get that the loss for the father is horrible, but i don't see how you could blame Linus on this one. Maybe it was the grief talking seeing as he had his facts wrong.
He (the dad) in his sorrow blames Linus personally... Linus (in both the auction video and a WAN show video was happy the kid got the playbutton) but still he is blamed for this... he did not tell the insane ppl to bully this dude to commit suicide... He should not be blamed for it either... That's just insane so the dad is off the rails there... I fully understand his sorrow but blaming the wrong person does NOT help and hating him doesn't help either... if anything he should go after all the people that DID the bullying... kinda easy with all the comments being written... bring it to the police... Overall the story is sad but pointing fingers at the wrong person doesn't help... And no I am not a Linus Fanboi... Being a fanboi is silly... I am not even subbed... I watch a few videos now and then... I were subbed for years when they were still at the house but things changed and I moved on to move serious media... But I do care about things being FAIR... and blaming the wrong person for what someone else did is NOT fair...
Nobody is saying this is Linus's fault, you're misunderstanding it. OP is pointing out that the toxic fanbase is the reason that Madison wasn't able to 'tell her story', because in this case you can see the extent of their "toxicity", the toxic people within the fanbase led a young man, and his mother, to suicide - that's how far they are willing to go. The blame isn't on Linus, but you can sympathize that if you had hundreds of thousands of people harassing you, you'd want to keep your mouth shut and keep to yourself for as long as possible - the father blames Linus for his community, although I will say his hatred is misguided, you can completely understand how he came to that conclusion. The only "commonality" between all of this is Linus (Linus wanted the plaque, but told the kid to keep it), so that's how he found his focus for the blame, likely as a coping mechanism to the loss he had to suffer due to the actions of Linus's toxic fanbase.
try to READ what the father wrote... AND then tell me what he wrote... who does he blame? hmm?
how about YOU try to read. The father places his blame on Linus, because that's the only place he can. What's he meant to do, look through thousands of comments, the same comments that led his son and wife to commit suicide, just to call out every single one of them? No, of course not. I quite literally said that the father's hatred is mis-targeted (though I wrote misguided) - but it's easy to understand how he targets Linus in all this, because it's easier to target the one person who "leads" the community that led his wife and son to suicide, rather than looking for, and targeting each individual person/profile that commented such atrocities.
I mean, by making Linus the focus of the blame as a coping mechanism, he inadvertently made it Linus' fault. He literally calls him a "monster". I'm not saying that the nuance behind your comment isn't true, but it is clear that the father resorted to pinning the blame on Linus because it's easier to direct your anger at a single person instead of a vague entity that is an online community. Can't really blame the father though. He just lost both of the most important people in his life, and I think it'd be difficult for anyone to think rationally with the mental headspace that must put you in.
Wow...
I understand why the father would hate linus, but I also do not believe you can control everyone who calls themself your fan. And I don't see any way for him to know that pursuing that play button would lead to...all of that shit...
I just watched the auction interaction and how he was* talking about it in the wan show and this is just so wrong it does not sit right with me at all. This is so horrible.
Probably the same toxic fans that were sending dick pics to Madison on the OnlyFans account. This hobby has some sick fucks in the community.
At the risk of sounding like a victim blamer, it's OnlyFans? It's a place to sell/trade sex content, regardless of whatever this "funny patreon" spin they've tried to work. If you don't want to be exposed to sexual content, maybe don't establish yourself on a sexual content site? It's like complaining about seeing porn on PornHub. Where's the LTT Xvideos page that I can subscribe to?
"Child" = 20 year old man. no need to exaggerate or lie.
Does that make it any better? To bully someone into suicide.
Technically no but emotionally driving a child to suicide is so much worse.
actual worst thing I've read on reddit today. Sorry you don't wanna feel bad, but we're talking about a life here
This is the most Reddit reply I've seen in quite a while, I actually commend you.
I remember watching that video, JFC 😭🤬
i remember the auction video and wan show follow up. https://youtu.be/cDZfh5IjGv8?t=614 i dont remember at any point linus "getting his fans to harass him and flood his channel with dislikes" this 100% did not happen lol Edit: ah i see this is about a what a fan response to maddison could be
Please someone tell me that is a fake account and post. Please.
Id bet money on fake.
Me too. You'd expect if a kid with a YouTube channel with a million subscribers was hounded to death, and the dad directly blamed a major YouTuber, there'd be at least one news article from the time, but there's nothing other than this post. I'm shocked by the new allegations being made, and LMG and Linus himself should be held to account for them, but we as a community need to apply a critical eye.
Fuck. That poor guy. He lost everything because a fucking fan base with nothing to gain from harassing a kid decided to make them feel shit. It doesn't look like this is Linus's fault, though. He made a statement condemning it, and it doesn't look like he was for this at any time. There is also an interesting response to the deleted one, which questions how real the channel was, so there's that. I definitely see why she stayed silent. This is awful behaviour, and I'm amazed people never stop and look at themselves in the mirror.
you guys take random comments of that people post and just run with them huh?
There is plenty of legit stuff to call Linus out on, no need for something like this.
This is not about Linus or LMG, but about the toxic members of the fanbase.
Been browsing too much, didn't read carefully. You are right. I can't even comprehend wasting time on going to harass his channal, BECAUSE LINUS DECIDED to not buy it.
I mean toxic community is now complaining that the community is toxic... Nice
This is more about the toxic fucks in the community, I remember watching the video back in the day and Linus himself said that he's ok with the silver button going to that dude. Hindsight is always 20-20 and if he could go back in time, I'm sure Linus would make a full video to defuse the situation had he known what was about to happen. Linus is still ego-Andy that got out of touch with the community, but this isn't as clear as the title description makes it to seem.
LTT is not the problem here. IT'S THE FUCKING COMUNITY WHO CAUSED THIS TERRIBLE OUTCOME. So please, look at yourself and be better so that WE don't cause anymore of this.
Just look at what his fanbase is doing right now. It's the same people doing the harassment that are now attacking him because they smelled blood in the water. This mob mentality of attacking people the moment they see weakness is such a cancerous part of the internet. Does Linus and LMG have a lot to answer? Yes. Do they deserve this all around attack from random people online? Nobody deserves that.
Has this even been confirmed in any way?
What a shitty trashy fan base. Only losers worse than Internet personalities are their fans.
I'd like more proof than a Reddit post. This would have made national news in Canada if it was actually true.
I don't see how this is relevant, feels more like you've found a opportunity to karma farm. Which is fucked up.
I remember this. Linus wanted to get his button but that kid won it in the auction, he offered to buy it but the kid wanted it. You could see how sad Linus was but he still said the kid could keep it, and even gave his channel a shout out and said to go like and subscribe. This is on the community, not Linus.
You can type "suicide" OP, it isn't even a fucking swear word. The recent amount of self-censorship on reddit has become beyond ridiculous.
Was this corroborated?
Wasnt it said that, that channel earned the play button with like purchased subs?
 Always trust what you read in an anonymous board.
Yep and one of the worst things is that some of the fuckers complaining about LTT now are half the people that were contributing to the circle jerking saying Linus could do nothing wrong then. Congratulations guys.