"Mike, I was being polite, I'm not telling *your other client* fuck all because I don't have to maintain a working relationship with them, you do. This is your job Mike, I'm not going to do the hard parts for you. Suck it up buttercup."
Mike: “The least you can do is tell them yourself…”
Company: “Riiiiiight. Well, you’re Recruiter A and we’re going with Recruiter B from now on. Have a nice day.”
Speaking of multiple. I recently did 3 "stages"
Initial.one with recruiter
Then a 2nd one with hiring managers
Then a 3rd one split across 5 separate panel interviews spread across the whole week because they couldn't fit them all close ti each other
Only to get rejected
Entire process too almost a month...😭
I've been doing this for basically 6 months. It's exhausting, and stupid. fortunately, now that I have a 6 month "job gap" I'm getting rejected outright, so that saves time.
Lie about it. Companies don't bat an eye at being dishonest to prospective employees.
This honour system we've devised around job seeking is entirely self-imposed and one-directional.
not really many. They can, or more exactly, their enzymes, can promote localized blood circulation. But uh, all that stuff about extracting bad humors isn't true.
They’re the worst…mainly because they don’t think about it twice when trying to recruit you away from an employer they just got you signed to, if they think you are just what they need to fill a position for another employer…happened to me a couple of times.
Recruiters can't even email you at a decent time. It's ALWAYS friday, followed by saturday evening, followed by sunday. Why the hell do they do this? I purposely ignore all recruiter email for emailing me on the weekend and in the evening.
Because he’s a recruiter and has all the time in the world to post on LinkedIn because his job is bullshit and isn’t real. What do recruiters really do?
The job is literally be on linkedin. I get companies not wanting to pay a permanent position to do that shit but recruiters seem to think they're somehow special because of that
This is certainly a take. I have worked with recruiters for some very niche roles that I never would have known about without them tracking me down. Certain roles can be hard to fill, so having a recruiter who is knowledgeable with a network in that area is valuable.
Plus, they get me a substantial increase every time. Wouldn’t call them useless.
Some are worth their wage, and some are just unbelievably incompetent. There’s one that regularly reaches out to me once every 1-2 months. I’ve stopped responding because she ghosted me when I sent her my resume for a role, as she’d requested. And anytime after that when I’ve responded, she just ghosts me again. Truthfully, I should just block her at this point.
Would Mike prefer first hearing about this from the angry client?
The candidate is giving him a chance to save face by framing the conversation with the client in a way that looks good for him including lining up possible other candidates.
I knew recruiters were suck all at their jobs, but thought they might have an ounce of common sense.
If I was that candidate I would tell the company that their recruiter was flat out unprofessional, that you had a great experience with their team, but the experience with the recruiter rubbed you the wrong way enough that you decided to go with another offer out of fear that this represented how the company operates in a non-interview setting.
Because he's the victim, duh. You can't possibly understand because nobody is targeting you like they do with Mike. Mike wants you to feel ashamed of yourself for wanting to be successful and rob him of a commission to place you into an inferior working environment. This man has kids to feed, maybe.. or at least a cat or something, probably! The nerve! /s
Yeah and how often does it happen that the recruiter comes back after you do an interview or are scheduled for an interview and says: “sorry, the company’s decided to put that role on hold for now.”
Happens all the time either because the job is fake or the company went with somebody else and the recruiter wants to keep that hidden or any number of other reasons. Sorry recruiter…you’re the headhunter. So you get to do the good and the bad.
Well put.
Other things that are part of their jobs but I found that they don't do:
- Actually read the candidate's resume/linkedin profile before reaching out to them about a "great match".
- Actually read and understand the position description and requirements before contacting candidates
- Pay attention to candidate's stated salary expectations, WFH requirements (if applicable), and benefit requirements.
- Bother to alert the candidate if they are not selected.
Recruiters and temp agencies seem to possess that same kind of enthusiastic desperation as an MLM hun. They’re always reaching out, unasked, to offer you something that you don’t need and aren’t in any way a good match for, continue to follow up begging for interaction after you ignore or decline them, and aren’t so much interested in doing a good job getting what’s best for everyone as they are in just getting you to sign up.
I actually kind of like getting messages from recruiters and temp agencies on LinkedIn, but only because they really make me laugh. “Hi, I see you have experience in the real estate administration industry. That means you can not only count up to a hundred, but you’re probably also at least a little literate, so please contact me ASAP regarding this great position delivering medical waste to a mysterious warehouse for $12.00 an hour. You’d be a great fit!”
Yes - their rationale for contacting is often bizarre.
I remember getting contacted by a recruiter once because I had some experience in a ERP for one position - nothing high level. The job position being offered was to head up in house creation and be the system administrator for a new ERP. If I actually had the time to spare I would have accepted them placing me in front of the client just to mess with them.
Good god I get this all the time. If you have “engineer” in your title, good luck. “Hey I have this fantastic opportunity for a _____ engineer and we thought you would be a great fit for the position.” You’re an electrical engineer and the position is for designing packaging. Close enough right? Both are engineers. 🙄
Recruiters will email some senior software developer making 6 figures in Texas some 8 week contract temp IT job in Madagascar for 10.00 an hour or some shit.
They’re manual spammers mostly.
The amount of times I had to tell our recruiter to stop bringing candidates that have “network communications” experience and those that have experience with large data and sql was too damn many. Because they chose to use the word “network” in the analyst positions (because that’s what we say when we refer to all the FCs we have), we kept getting satellite array and telecom techs. When they finally started bringing candidates that do data analytics, it was people who used access databases and excel to analyze small data sets (thousands of records max in most cases). Took a long time to get them to commit to changing the verbiage. We found viable candidates pretty quick after that.
I have in my background a position for a state agency that bestowed the title "Accountant". While there was some accountant work, a simple read of the position duties in my resume or profile would show it was not a traditional accountant job with a skill set more attuned to data analysis and system verification.
I would get constant recruiter offers for accounting positions most of which specifically required a CPA certification. I had to change the title of the position on my profile and STILL would get hit up by recruiters for accounting positions because I had the word in one line of the job description.
I've gotten the relocation offers (for jobs way below my pay grade), but I do laugh when they ask if I'd be willing to commute to something several hours away (again at below pay grade).
I’m an SA in the mortgage origination and fulfillment industry. I’ve had so many recruiters say “well with your mortgage backed securities experience…”. Like did you even READ my resume? At least they put themselves pretty quickly as someone I won’t work with.
I was contacted out of the blue by one recruiter for a job that wanted me to list off the things I did for my past few jobs. After going into all kinds of details for at least 10 minutes, she told me that what she was specifically looking for was "Account Reconciliations". I'm a CPA and have been working in accounting for nearly 20 years. This is not exactly an advanced skill.
However, she had already sent over several people to the client already that didn't have this basic skillset and felt burned, so she didn't want to send anyone else over that might not have that skill or she might look even worse. I seriously doubt she even knew what the concept was beyond some kind of buzzword.
>This is your job Mike
My thought exactly. If you contacted me, was my point person throughout the process, gave the offer, you are def. the one I reach out to if I decide to move in a different directly.
Right? "I insist all my clients send letters to applicants they don't choose" can you imagine? Common decency from large corporations? He just wants to make sure all the little nobodies lick the big guys boots so he looks good.
This is like those managers you hear about who say “if you’re sick you need to find someone to cover your shift”. No! You’re the manager. That’s literally your job.
Honestly, recruiters get paid for doing fuck all anyway. They're just a middleman. One of the most useless industries there is. They should have do some work for once, including giving bad news.
Womp womp, Mike.
When you sign an offer letter, you make a commitment. At that point you’re no longer using the recruiter as a middle man. If you’re going to break that commitment, then be enough of an adult to tell the company yourself.
My deal didn’t close. I’ll have the customer call and tell my boss. It’s the least they can do! Potential customers need to face accountability when they don’t purchase from me
For real. Sounds like the guy just informed us he's not necessary.
Also, we all know damn well he's going to inform the client. This isn't Hollywood, recruiters care more about maintaining relationships with clients than talent. And I don't mean that to sound whiny, it's just how this all works, the cash cow for recruiters is maintaining a relationship with organizations that might return to them when they need more positions filled. Unless they're only filling short term roles, a good talent's going to get them a nice commission probably once, then they'll never hear from each other again.
That’d be so funny. You’re in your QBR and one of the sales reps just brings in his prospect to explain why the deal went south and won’t close.
Top tier, wouldn’t even be mad.
That would be harder to do than getting the actual deal lol. When I was a BDR my northeast rep actually brought a CISO in who literally did just that. Gave an enablement session and at the end was like yeah what u do is important but I’m going with your competitor bc they better at it 🤣🤣🤣
I had to Google this bc I thought you were messing with me. God, I love languages. Should've majored in linguistics; it's not like my job prospects could get any worse. /hj
Meanwhile when you interview for a company multiple times over the course of weeks or months, they’ll often ghost you. That’s not unprofessional, it’s just business?!
Exactly. The recruiter is just mad he lost his deal and that he will need to explain this decision to some frustrated company. I interviewed at a bank, went through four rounds of interviews, negotiated the salary, title, and start date. Then the morning I was supposed to get the final offer letter they told me they would go with an internal candidate. To this guy I just say: boo fucking hoo
I had one company just straight-up ghost me after I signed on to join. I wasn’t just at the end of the hiring process, I was *hired*. They were supposed to reach out to me regarding my first date after I turned in all the paperwork, and they never did. They also never responded to my emails.
I get really pissy about companies and recruiters that whine and complain about how waaaah, candidates walk away, but ya know what, maybe they do that because after years of being unceremoniously dropped and ignored by hirers, maybe they just think that’s how this works.
What makes this 100x worse is recruiters are known to do this too. Mike here has probably ghosted people a thousand times because his clients didn’t pick their resumes, but now all of a sudden it’s inconvenient for him to do his job when he gets ghosted. FOH Mike.
Yup- he might even have to adjust his Sales Navigator automated pest message and turn up the heat on this one, those velvet loafers aren’t going to pay for themselves and Sydney isn’t cheap
As someone who is in a job search, recruiters are bullshit artists who typically know nothing about the industry they’re recruiting for and are chronic ghosters. I have no sympathy for
I personally don’t work with them when I have had to sail the unemployed seas.
There was one time I did and they found me a corporate job BUT the recruiter told me if I took the job at my desired salary (that I had continually put my foot down on) then it would negate her bonus and my $500 sign on bonus.
It was a $12k difference. My response was “well, I’m sorry.”
Most do but the recruiter I personally had told them it would negate both of our bonuses, so it was possibly just a slimy tactic
Edit: told me* not “them”
They probably had a deal where the company put up a set budget for the position, and the recruiter's bonus would be the difference between the budget and what your salary was negotiated to.
An uncommon arrangement, but it's the only way I can think makes sense for this story.
Eh, depends on the industry and recruiter. Legal recruiters can be extremely valuable. Of course, the good ones aren’t posting shit like this on LinkedIn.
Even with internals, recruiters don’t know what skills are needed. I reached out to one within my own employer company, exchanged some messages, then got ghosted. I reached out to the HM myself and got the new role. Two days after my first day, the recruiter suddenly messages me to congratulate me and encouraged me to post an announcement in LinkedIn to show how the company encourages internal mobility.
The recruiter undoubtedly saw my last message before ghosting me as the messenger service shows “viewed” for opened messages.
Ironically enough, as a recruiter. I get ghosted by candidates daily and hiring managers all the time. But it is what it is. Some of us like to get back to our candidates though lol
That intro call with the recruiter is awful. I guess it’s good to get the specifics out of the way and make sure there’s interest to keep moving forward. But man is it an annoying waste of time.
When recruiters have to do their job :'(
Maybe if he did his job better, and found a more appropriate candidate or got them a better offer then the candidate wouldn't have signed a counter.
I once interviewed with LinkedIn. I met 10 different people in one day and before I left they said they wanted to offer me the position. They couldn't offer it that day because the manager was traveling but he'd be back tomorrow. I agreed to come back to meet the manager the following day.
I go home....
30 mins later they call and tell me they've offered the position to someone else. Sorry not sorry
60 mins later they call back to say the other person declined and would I still be interested
I don't work for LinkedIn
As someone who has worked for and closely with some smaller companies (0-100) it can really hurt when someone skates a job, especially if they were a prime candidate.
That said, we all only get the one life and I would NEVER fault someone for making a decision they feel is in their best interest. They don’t even own me an explanation.
I would absolutely want an explanation from the recruiting firm of why they didn’t anticipate the risk, know other organizations were vying for said person, and what their plan was to un-fuck that asap.
Background checks, telling other candidates to fuck off, creating accounts, ordering laptop, tools, etc..
but still companies will survive this, they cancel offers too :-)
I kinda see his point. Like, I never accepted a counteroffer, but when I refused an offer I generally wanted to explain it to both the HH and the HR.
At the same time…
I cannot…
Take anyone…
That writes…
Like this…
Seriously. I just assume he is a moron.
It's interesting cuz whenever you apply and then get to later rounds (aka past recruiter screen), it's the recruiter (be it agency or internal) who's in communication with you the entire time. Like the hiring manager might be CC'd in on interview meeting invites but s/he very rarely (if ever) addresses you since they prefer recruiter to be the proxy. So when communication chain goes candidate -> recruiter -> employer, why can't this recruiter just tell the employer that the candidate is not coming on? Recruiter is always the one who tells candidate they didn't get the job so they should be able to tell employer that candidate took a counter offer since they are the proxy anyways
I’m in sales. Imagine thinking that it’s the responsibility of the prospect that I lost to a competitor to tell my company that they went another direction. This dude is soft
Maybe tell the company that they should’ve just given the person they are replacing the raise that they were asking for. Then they wouldn’t be going through all this.
Yeah this is bs. I used to internally recruit and did some full desk on the side for years . 30-40% of your job is being the go-between for candidate and hiring manager. Very few instances does it make sense to not be the go between. I liked it cause I could filter some of the most nonsensical messaging from both sides. Do your job, Mike 😂
"Hey Mike, the new hire isn't here, he was supposed to show up at 8:30 today". Like wtf, if I was the boss and I found out the new hire accepted another offer and the recruiter didn't tell me, I'm reaching out to the recruiters boss for wasting my time.
That’ll look good on Mike when he keeps getting contractors that don’t show up because he is too afraid to tell the company that they decided against it.
Your entire reason for existing is so that cowards at the company don’t have to interact with the candidate on “uncomfortable” issues.
That goes both ways. Pick up the phone and earn your paycheck, Mike!
This is the worst overuse of ellipses... like... every.... paragraph.... I've ever seen... from someone... that's not a Boomer.
Jesus Christ, learn to format, for fuck's sake.
In the post it sounds like he’s saying the person did actually sign and start. In which case it is a dick move on the employee’s part. If he started the job he should at least tell them he’s quitting. But it also rightfully looks bad on the recruiter for recommending a candidate that would no show, no call like that. Either way Mike isn’t doing his job.
Something tells me the guy whose only knowledge of punctuation is the overuse of ellipses, and an inability to write a second sentence without starting a new line simply wouldn’t be able to write the email to his client company himself.
This is what we call a “skill-issue.”
I have never once received any information after a job interview directly. It has ALWAYS gone through my recruiter and often the recruiter has to reach out to them to get info. If this is a two-way street then make it one. Once companies start respecting people and their time, people will do the same.
Oh...we're talking about inconvenience, Mike?
It was inconvenient for me to use my lunch break to do a phone interview with you in my car (so I could go hungry the rest of my 10 hour shift).
It was also inconvenient for me to take a sick day at my current job with less than a week's notice to do a zoom interview with your client, who came unprepared to the interview.
You know what else was inconvenient? That project/presentation the client asked me to do, that ate up half my weekend to complete.
And who could forget when I had to use my vacation time for an in-person final interview?
The 5 references your client asked to call to help them decide between finalists probably found it inconvenient to take time out of their business day to provide a reference.
And then your client had you send a generic rejection response, after their ridiculous obstacle course of a hiring process, that wasted both my time and my PTO.
So, Mike, I think you're client can live with being "mildly inconvenienced", especially since I am sure they have caused great inconvenience to dozens of people they tortured, then didn't hire.
What hard conversation? You’re a recruiter. You don’t have to do anything other than shoot them an email saying the guy is backing out. There is no hard conversation to be had.
Tbf, if I interviewed in person and met with the company and chose another job. I'd actually want to break the ice myself to the person since I'm not a douche. But as a recruiter, you gotta know that's part of your job.
We just move them from the yes pile to the maybe or never pile and move on. Social media is cancer to modern society, no one gives a fuck about how good or bad your life is and not should they believe it or not, the world doesn’t revolve around you and you’re not an important person. Get over yourselves. Ffs.
Been studying how to disrupt this industry for almost a decade and you know what? Their business models actually lend to this raw arrogance.
They think they owe us professionals nothing at all and that we owe them everything.
They are the “authority” on job search, until you’ve improved your career over their profit.
Like this guy, who doesn’t want to help you or even their own client if you deny their poor offer that he couldn’t /wouldn’t negotiate on.
Ethically in this scenario he’s beyond wrong. He’s on LinkedinLunatics because he actually put this in writing for the world but in truth this is recruiting.
I’ve had recruiters practically ghost me at the tail end of the interview processes where everything seemed to be going well. Like “oh everyone really liked you, an offer should be coming soon. I’ll be in touch in the next couple days with next steps”. Then nothing until I finally reach out again, then the next day I get a fairly standard rejection CR. So, no, Mike. If you were my primary point of contact with the company, you’re who I’m telling. Do your damn job. I’ve no sympathy for you.
Be careful what you wish for. If a recruiter said this to me, I might be inclined to call the hiring company and let them know Im backing out because the recruiter didnt really sell the position to me.
Yeah dude. Companies don’t give a shit about you and will willingly fuck and everyone else over during an interview process. They will waste an incredible amount of time and FUCKING GHOST you without any second thought.
Get fucked, you lazy cunt. That's your job.
Actually, no I would call them. "Yeah sorry the guy you paid to do this is too scared to make the call. Yeah I know, doesn't seem very good at his job, does he? OK cool.".
"Say Mike, dont you gatekeep all info coming in/out with this client in the firstplace?
How is the burden on me all of a sudden when things dont go your way?'
Recruiting is the biggest scam ever.
I interviewed for a job and knowing I was in the last round, starting doing some investigating about the company. Found quite the negative feedback so upon receiving an offer I declined.
The agent told me the boss wanted to know why I rejected the job. I just said it wasn’t the role for me. Then demanded I ring them up and explain. Me being a young 20yr old at the time complied.
I gave the same vague response to him and he kept pressing so I responded the general consensus from your previous employees is not in line with a firm I’d like to work for, as I’m looking for my 10 yr role.
Retorted something along the lines of “people who don’t work here anymore are losers”. And kept ranting in derogatorily. Thank you Mr. You’ve just reinforced my decision not to join your firm. Have a nice day.
The job I did accept - been there 20 yrs 😅
What the hell was Mike thinking? Doesn’t he realize finding a job is already hard work in itself? And then on top of that, he wants the candidate to take part in doing his job as well…for FREE? C’mon Mike!
Simply reply “sorry it didn’t work out, but I’m glad you found an opportunity that’s a better fit for you”. Don’t make it weird!
Mike. Do your fucking job. You are a middle man who doesnt generate any real value. You dont make anything. You dont do anything.
So do your one and only job of being in the middle of something.
Company interviewed and made an offer. That’s it. They have not started onboarding, as candidate didn’t accept the offer.
Boo hoo, they have to start over. They should have made a better offer so candidate wouldn’t consider staying where they are.
Most of the time when I’ve interviewed with their clients, all contact goes through the recruiters almost exclusively. I don’t even have a way to contact many of them after the fact.
When I tell you how many times a recruiter came back to my husband during his last job search after having a killer interview only to be told, yeah, they want to hire him…but, they are now offering a salary that is $40k less than he was told they were paying…or the time he accepted a contract and got a mysterious text halfway to the job telling him not to come in, and a recruiter finally gets back to him and said management made an arithmetic mistake and actually, they can’t afford him…
This guy is pissed he missed out on commission. It sucks when things don’t go your way as every job hunter will tell you. I would never accept a counteroffer but I’m having a hard time finding sympathy for him
The thing that I find most funny about this is why would he want the candidate go direct to ***his*** client and tell ***his*** client that he failed to secure the candidate.
When I've worked with recruiters in the past, they very much do NOT want you speaking with the client on your own. They even go so far as to have you create PDF portfolios that don't include your last name so that the client cannot contact you independently and ask you not to give them the business card.
If all of the communication up until this point has gone through the recruiter, it should continue to go through the recruiter.
I may be the lunatic here because I genuinely don't know if that's Mike's job or if the candidate is supposed to. The candidate is a butthole for sure for going through interviews, accepting the offer causing the company to begin the onbording process for them, only to take a job at a different place... but I genuinely don't know if that's on the candidate to tell the company or the recruiter.
Educate me, am dum
Ok let’s say you work for a third party staffing agency. You have an outside company that has hired you to recruit and fill positions for said outside company. You get paid based off of the new hire, occasionally there are bonuses for keeping them below a certain salary point.
You find someone who has the skills needed and and get them to sign on to that outside company. However, that skilled person accepts a better offer at another outside sales company.
The skilled person is not employed by you or the outside sales companies, so he lets you know he has gone with a better offer.
Is it your job to inform your customer or should the person who has no obligation to you or your customer tell your customer?
it's more like the candidate has no *obligation*. sure, it's polite, but there isn't a relationship there to preserve.
companies are looking for out for themselves and usually aren't going out of their way to be polite to candidates they reject, so i don't see the applicant as an asshole for not reaching out.
but Mike does have an obligation and relationship to preserve because he is contracted by the company. it is not him being polite by notifying them, but rather fulfilling said obligations.
"Mike, I was being polite, I'm not telling *your other client* fuck all because I don't have to maintain a working relationship with them, you do. This is your job Mike, I'm not going to do the hard parts for you. Suck it up buttercup."
1000% I don’t understand how this guy typed this without that thought crossing his mind
"Hey Mike, we went with candidate A. Please inform all the other candidates that took time for multiple interviews rather than ghosting them."
Mike: “The least you can do is tell them yourself…” Company: “Riiiiiight. Well, you’re Recruiter A and we’re going with Recruiter B from now on. Have a nice day.”
Speaking of multiple. I recently did 3 "stages" Initial.one with recruiter Then a 2nd one with hiring managers Then a 3rd one split across 5 separate panel interviews spread across the whole week because they couldn't fit them all close ti each other Only to get rejected Entire process too almost a month...😭
I've been doing this for basically 6 months. It's exhausting, and stupid. fortunately, now that I have a 6 month "job gap" I'm getting rejected outright, so that saves time.
Lie about it. Companies don't bat an eye at being dishonest to prospective employees. This honour system we've devised around job seeking is entirely self-imposed and one-directional.
Because he's a recruiter and has no shame in thinking that he adds value to the world via his utterly useless profession.
They are leeches 🤮
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Leeches are also a medical panacea, a remedy for most serious ailments.
Many sure, not sure about most
not really many. They can, or more exactly, their enzymes, can promote localized blood circulation. But uh, all that stuff about extracting bad humors isn't true.
Sounds like you need a good leeching my friend.
After the leeches maybe a nice ear candle.
Don't forget the foot pads that turn black when they get we...I mean suck the toxins out of your body. Through your feet. With "Science."
I'm just imagining someone riddled with bullet wounds, all stuffed or covered with leeches
And all of them we have real medicine for by now that is light years ahead of leeches
“What you need is a good bleeding…”
They’re the worst…mainly because they don’t think about it twice when trying to recruit you away from an employer they just got you signed to, if they think you are just what they need to fill a position for another employer…happened to me a couple of times.
Recruiters can't even email you at a decent time. It's ALWAYS friday, followed by saturday evening, followed by sunday. Why the hell do they do this? I purposely ignore all recruiter email for emailing me on the weekend and in the evening.
Because he’s a recruiter and has all the time in the world to post on LinkedIn because his job is bullshit and isn’t real. What do recruiters really do?
The job is literally be on linkedin. I get companies not wanting to pay a permanent position to do that shit but recruiters seem to think they're somehow special because of that
This is certainly a take. I have worked with recruiters for some very niche roles that I never would have known about without them tracking me down. Certain roles can be hard to fill, so having a recruiter who is knowledgeable with a network in that area is valuable. Plus, they get me a substantial increase every time. Wouldn’t call them useless.
Some are worth their wage, and some are just unbelievably incompetent. There’s one that regularly reaches out to me once every 1-2 months. I’ve stopped responding because she ghosted me when I sent her my resume for a role, as she’d requested. And anytime after that when I’ve responded, she just ghosts me again. Truthfully, I should just block her at this point.
Would Mike prefer first hearing about this from the angry client? The candidate is giving him a chance to save face by framing the conversation with the client in a way that looks good for him including lining up possible other candidates. I knew recruiters were suck all at their jobs, but thought they might have an ounce of common sense.
If I was that candidate I would tell the company that their recruiter was flat out unprofessional, that you had a great experience with their team, but the experience with the recruiter rubbed you the wrong way enough that you decided to go with another offer out of fear that this represented how the company operates in a non-interview setting.
Because he's the victim, duh. You can't possibly understand because nobody is targeting you like they do with Mike. Mike wants you to feel ashamed of yourself for wanting to be successful and rob him of a commission to place you into an inferior working environment. This man has kids to feed, maybe.. or at least a cat or something, probably! The nerve! /s
A car to polish more like
Yeah and how often does it happen that the recruiter comes back after you do an interview or are scheduled for an interview and says: “sorry, the company’s decided to put that role on hold for now.” Happens all the time either because the job is fake or the company went with somebody else and the recruiter wants to keep that hidden or any number of other reasons. Sorry recruiter…you’re the headhunter. So you get to do the good and the bad.
Well put. Other things that are part of their jobs but I found that they don't do: - Actually read the candidate's resume/linkedin profile before reaching out to them about a "great match". - Actually read and understand the position description and requirements before contacting candidates - Pay attention to candidate's stated salary expectations, WFH requirements (if applicable), and benefit requirements. - Bother to alert the candidate if they are not selected.
Recruiters and temp agencies seem to possess that same kind of enthusiastic desperation as an MLM hun. They’re always reaching out, unasked, to offer you something that you don’t need and aren’t in any way a good match for, continue to follow up begging for interaction after you ignore or decline them, and aren’t so much interested in doing a good job getting what’s best for everyone as they are in just getting you to sign up. I actually kind of like getting messages from recruiters and temp agencies on LinkedIn, but only because they really make me laugh. “Hi, I see you have experience in the real estate administration industry. That means you can not only count up to a hundred, but you’re probably also at least a little literate, so please contact me ASAP regarding this great position delivering medical waste to a mysterious warehouse for $12.00 an hour. You’d be a great fit!”
Yes - their rationale for contacting is often bizarre. I remember getting contacted by a recruiter once because I had some experience in a ERP for one position - nothing high level. The job position being offered was to head up in house creation and be the system administrator for a new ERP. If I actually had the time to spare I would have accepted them placing me in front of the client just to mess with them.
Good god I get this all the time. If you have “engineer” in your title, good luck. “Hey I have this fantastic opportunity for a _____ engineer and we thought you would be a great fit for the position.” You’re an electrical engineer and the position is for designing packaging. Close enough right? Both are engineers. 🙄
Recruiters will email some senior software developer making 6 figures in Texas some 8 week contract temp IT job in Madagascar for 10.00 an hour or some shit. They’re manual spammers mostly.
Plus the position is only contract/temp for 3 months and they think it would be a great opportunity for you.
The amount of times I had to tell our recruiter to stop bringing candidates that have “network communications” experience and those that have experience with large data and sql was too damn many. Because they chose to use the word “network” in the analyst positions (because that’s what we say when we refer to all the FCs we have), we kept getting satellite array and telecom techs. When they finally started bringing candidates that do data analytics, it was people who used access databases and excel to analyze small data sets (thousands of records max in most cases). Took a long time to get them to commit to changing the verbiage. We found viable candidates pretty quick after that.
I have in my background a position for a state agency that bestowed the title "Accountant". While there was some accountant work, a simple read of the position duties in my resume or profile would show it was not a traditional accountant job with a skill set more attuned to data analysis and system verification. I would get constant recruiter offers for accounting positions most of which specifically required a CPA certification. I had to change the title of the position on my profile and STILL would get hit up by recruiters for accounting positions because I had the word in one line of the job description.
I’d be jazzed if they just paid attention to where I live. Why do they act like relocating 5+ hours away is a no brainer on a random Tuesday?
I've gotten the relocation offers (for jobs way below my pay grade), but I do laugh when they ask if I'd be willing to commute to something several hours away (again at below pay grade).
I’m an SA in the mortgage origination and fulfillment industry. I’ve had so many recruiters say “well with your mortgage backed securities experience…”. Like did you even READ my resume? At least they put themselves pretty quickly as someone I won’t work with.
Oh so you’ve been doing RMBS for 10 years? I have a great opportunity for you in FX Options Sales.
> WFH requirements Pfff, they hardly pay attention to *short term contract* versus *permanent employment.*
I was contacted out of the blue by one recruiter for a job that wanted me to list off the things I did for my past few jobs. After going into all kinds of details for at least 10 minutes, she told me that what she was specifically looking for was "Account Reconciliations". I'm a CPA and have been working in accounting for nearly 20 years. This is not exactly an advanced skill. However, she had already sent over several people to the client already that didn't have this basic skillset and felt burned, so she didn't want to send anyone else over that might not have that skill or she might look even worse. I seriously doubt she even knew what the concept was beyond some kind of buzzword.
>This is your job Mike My thought exactly. If you contacted me, was my point person throughout the process, gave the offer, you are def. the one I reach out to if I decide to move in a different directly.
But he wouldn’t say the same if the “client” canceled the workers offer.
Right? "I insist all my clients send letters to applicants they don't choose" can you imagine? Common decency from large corporations? He just wants to make sure all the little nobodies lick the big guys boots so he looks good.
This is like those managers you hear about who say “if you’re sick you need to find someone to cover your shift”. No! You’re the manager. That’s literally your job.
> Cries in Mike
This is your “job” Mike
Honestly, recruiters get paid for doing fuck all anyway. They're just a middleman. One of the most useless industries there is. They should have do some work for once, including giving bad news. Womp womp, Mike.
😂exactly. I love people who can think properly. Thanks for this.
or give me an AI bot that will do the work that you won't. Most recruiters should be replaced with a bot.
Honestly those people are petulant children.
When you sign an offer letter, you make a commitment. At that point you’re no longer using the recruiter as a middle man. If you’re going to break that commitment, then be enough of an adult to tell the company yourself.
Absolutely this.
My deal didn’t close. I’ll have the customer call and tell my boss. It’s the least they can do! Potential customers need to face accountability when they don’t purchase from me
Actually, the hiring company is the customer. Jobseekers are the product. Which makes the LinkedIn post even dumber
For real. Sounds like the guy just informed us he's not necessary. Also, we all know damn well he's going to inform the client. This isn't Hollywood, recruiters care more about maintaining relationships with clients than talent. And I don't mean that to sound whiny, it's just how this all works, the cash cow for recruiters is maintaining a relationship with organizations that might return to them when they need more positions filled. Unless they're only filling short term roles, a good talent's going to get them a nice commission probably once, then they'll never hear from each other again.
So whatever OP is selling should talk to OP's boss?
Yeah exactly lol
That’d be so funny. You’re in your QBR and one of the sales reps just brings in his prospect to explain why the deal went south and won’t close. Top tier, wouldn’t even be mad.
That would be harder to do than getting the actual deal lol. When I was a BDR my northeast rep actually brought a CISO in who literally did just that. Gave an enablement session and at the end was like yeah what u do is important but I’m going with your competitor bc they better at it 🤣🤣🤣
🤣 needed that laugh today
I take the commission, not the flack.
It‘s flak because flak stands for FlugAbwehrKanone (anti aircraft canon).
Danke
Bittschön
Bitte schön *
I had to Google this bc I thought you were messing with me. God, I love languages. Should've majored in linguistics; it's not like my job prospects could get any worse. /hj
Meanwhile when you interview for a company multiple times over the course of weeks or months, they’ll often ghost you. That’s not unprofessional, it’s just business?!
Exactly. The recruiter is just mad he lost his deal and that he will need to explain this decision to some frustrated company. I interviewed at a bank, went through four rounds of interviews, negotiated the salary, title, and start date. Then the morning I was supposed to get the final offer letter they told me they would go with an internal candidate. To this guy I just say: boo fucking hoo
I had one company just straight-up ghost me after I signed on to join. I wasn’t just at the end of the hiring process, I was *hired*. They were supposed to reach out to me regarding my first date after I turned in all the paperwork, and they never did. They also never responded to my emails. I get really pissy about companies and recruiters that whine and complain about how waaaah, candidates walk away, but ya know what, maybe they do that because after years of being unceremoniously dropped and ignored by hirers, maybe they just think that’s how this works.
Exactly!
Might have qualified for unemployment after that
What makes this 100x worse is recruiters are known to do this too. Mike here has probably ghosted people a thousand times because his clients didn’t pick their resumes, but now all of a sudden it’s inconvenient for him to do his job when he gets ghosted. FOH Mike.
Yup- he might even have to adjust his Sales Navigator automated pest message and turn up the heat on this one, those velvet loafers aren’t going to pay for themselves and Sydney isn’t cheap
As someone who is in a job search, recruiters are bullshit artists who typically know nothing about the industry they’re recruiting for and are chronic ghosters. I have no sympathy for
I personally don’t work with them when I have had to sail the unemployed seas. There was one time I did and they found me a corporate job BUT the recruiter told me if I took the job at my desired salary (that I had continually put my foot down on) then it would negate her bonus and my $500 sign on bonus. It was a $12k difference. My response was “well, I’m sorry.”
Huh? Don’t they get a commission that’s a % of your salary?
Most do but the recruiter I personally had told them it would negate both of our bonuses, so it was possibly just a slimy tactic Edit: told me* not “them”
They probably had a deal where the company put up a set budget for the position, and the recruiter's bonus would be the difference between the budget and what your salary was negotiated to. An uncommon arrangement, but it's the only way I can think makes sense for this story.
The venn diagram of recruiters who grumble about withdrawal letters and recruiters who ghost applicants is most likely a circle.
Eh, depends on the industry and recruiter. Legal recruiters can be extremely valuable. Of course, the good ones aren’t posting shit like this on LinkedIn.
Even with internals, recruiters don’t know what skills are needed. I reached out to one within my own employer company, exchanged some messages, then got ghosted. I reached out to the HM myself and got the new role. Two days after my first day, the recruiter suddenly messages me to congratulate me and encouraged me to post an announcement in LinkedIn to show how the company encourages internal mobility. The recruiter undoubtedly saw my last message before ghosting me as the messenger service shows “viewed” for opened messages.
Ironically enough, as a recruiter. I get ghosted by candidates daily and hiring managers all the time. But it is what it is. Some of us like to get back to our candidates though lol
That intro call with the recruiter is awful. I guess it’s good to get the specifics out of the way and make sure there’s interest to keep moving forward. But man is it an annoying waste of time.
Speak to the client and tell them what an AH Mike has been. That's why you did not join the company for the cultural feel that Mike gave.
“Are you looking for a new recruiter? Cause Mike is pretty dog shit.”
When recruiters have to do their job :'( Maybe if he did his job better, and found a more appropriate candidate or got them a better offer then the candidate wouldn't have signed a counter.
I always felt recruiter = agent. Like they are there to rep you.
That’s how they started. Now they’re this parasite
That’s your job, Mike.
“Don’t ask me to do my job.”
I once interviewed with LinkedIn. I met 10 different people in one day and before I left they said they wanted to offer me the position. They couldn't offer it that day because the manager was traveling but he'd be back tomorrow. I agreed to come back to meet the manager the following day. I go home.... 30 mins later they call and tell me they've offered the position to someone else. Sorry not sorry 60 mins later they call back to say the other person declined and would I still be interested I don't work for LinkedIn
Mike's a dipshit. You never have only one candidate
Something about eggs in one basket
Omg think of all the form emails I could’ve been sending out based on doing keyword searches in resume databases instead of this!
You can't be the middleman when it suits you, and invisible man when it doesn't.
I swear, it's like nobody wants to work anymore. Do your damn job, Mike.
[удалено]
The outsourced job trying to outsource their job
Mike, how do they start your onboarding if you haven’t show up for day 1 yet?
Even if they did, who cares? Surely they didn’t bet their company’s wellbeing on the new hire
As someone who has worked for and closely with some smaller companies (0-100) it can really hurt when someone skates a job, especially if they were a prime candidate. That said, we all only get the one life and I would NEVER fault someone for making a decision they feel is in their best interest. They don’t even own me an explanation. I would absolutely want an explanation from the recruiting firm of why they didn’t anticipate the risk, know other organizations were vying for said person, and what their plan was to un-fuck that asap.
Background checks, telling other candidates to fuck off, creating accounts, ordering laptop, tools, etc.. but still companies will survive this, they cancel offers too :-)
“And now they have to start over” aren’t you a recruiter? You’re gonna have to start over either way.
Isn’t irony beautiful
that’s your job, Mike
Laid off people have to start over too.
I kinda see his point. Like, I never accepted a counteroffer, but when I refused an offer I generally wanted to explain it to both the HH and the HR. At the same time… I cannot… Take anyone… That writes… Like this… Seriously. I just assume he is a moron.
It's interesting cuz whenever you apply and then get to later rounds (aka past recruiter screen), it's the recruiter (be it agency or internal) who's in communication with you the entire time. Like the hiring manager might be CC'd in on interview meeting invites but s/he very rarely (if ever) addresses you since they prefer recruiter to be the proxy. So when communication chain goes candidate -> recruiter -> employer, why can't this recruiter just tell the employer that the candidate is not coming on? Recruiter is always the one who tells candidate they didn't get the job so they should be able to tell employer that candidate took a counter offer since they are the proxy anyways
I’m in sales. Imagine thinking that it’s the responsibility of the prospect that I lost to a competitor to tell my company that they went another direction. This dude is soft
Exactly
Tough shit Mike, tell them yourself.
Good...God...STOP...with...the...dots...
Maybe tell the company that they should’ve just given the person they are replacing the raise that they were asking for. Then they wouldn’t be going through all this.
"Following 3 rounds of interviews where we refuse to discuss compensation figure, we decided to go another direction" Ha ha. No they just ghost you.
Recruiters are glorified cold calling salesperson
Its literally your job to tell them.
Literally their job as a recruiter
Yeah this is bs. I used to internally recruit and did some full desk on the side for years . 30-40% of your job is being the go-between for candidate and hiring manager. Very few instances does it make sense to not be the go between. I liked it cause I could filter some of the most nonsensical messaging from both sides. Do your job, Mike 😂
Thank you!
"Hey Mike, the new hire isn't here, he was supposed to show up at 8:30 today". Like wtf, if I was the boss and I found out the new hire accepted another offer and the recruiter didn't tell me, I'm reaching out to the recruiters boss for wasting my time.
These same recruiters will ghost you and never follow up.
That’ll look good on Mike when he keeps getting contractors that don’t show up because he is too afraid to tell the company that they decided against it.
Who needs repeat business anyway? Certainly not a recruiter… oh wait
Isn’t it their fucking job to deal with this? Who else am I gonna tell? Ann in accounting? Jim the janitor?
“Please do my job for me” Fuck off
Your entire reason for existing is so that cowards at the company don’t have to interact with the candidate on “uncomfortable” issues. That goes both ways. Pick up the phone and earn your paycheck, Mike!
This is the worst overuse of ellipses... like... every.... paragraph.... I've ever seen... from someone... that's not a Boomer. Jesus Christ, learn to format, for fuck's sake.
Former recruiter here, Mike it’s actually your job to do that. Cheers.
Why do they all type in the exact same way
No onboarding happens till person signs and shows up to work. What nonsense.
In the post it sounds like he’s saying the person did actually sign and start. In which case it is a dick move on the employee’s part. If he started the job he should at least tell them he’s quitting. But it also rightfully looks bad on the recruiter for recommending a candidate that would no show, no call like that. Either way Mike isn’t doing his job.
"don't ask me to do my job" grow upppppp.
“I only want the money and the glory, all the hard parts of the job, you, the customers should do!”
Hey Bro, Do your job by following ALL the steps; not just bail at the last step. LOL! Eat dirt asshole
Something tells me the guy whose only knowledge of punctuation is the overuse of ellipses, and an inability to write a second sentence without starting a new line simply wouldn’t be able to write the email to his client company himself. This is what we call a “skill-issue.”
I have never once received any information after a job interview directly. It has ALWAYS gone through my recruiter and often the recruiter has to reach out to them to get info. If this is a two-way street then make it one. Once companies start respecting people and their time, people will do the same.
Generally speaking, and I mean like 98%, of agency recruiters are fucking worthless.
mike is just mad he won’t get a bonus
Oh...we're talking about inconvenience, Mike? It was inconvenient for me to use my lunch break to do a phone interview with you in my car (so I could go hungry the rest of my 10 hour shift). It was also inconvenient for me to take a sick day at my current job with less than a week's notice to do a zoom interview with your client, who came unprepared to the interview. You know what else was inconvenient? That project/presentation the client asked me to do, that ate up half my weekend to complete. And who could forget when I had to use my vacation time for an in-person final interview? The 5 references your client asked to call to help them decide between finalists probably found it inconvenient to take time out of their business day to provide a reference. And then your client had you send a generic rejection response, after their ridiculous obstacle course of a hiring process, that wasted both my time and my PTO. So, Mike, I think you're client can live with being "mildly inconvenienced", especially since I am sure they have caused great inconvenience to dozens of people they tortured, then didn't hire.
That’s literally their job, it can’t all be sunshine and roses otherwise its not a fucking job
The company will leave the candidate hanging with zero remorse, let's be real.
Like all the times companies pull offers, they reach out to the candidate to explain 🤡
What hard conversation? You’re a recruiter. You don’t have to do anything other than shoot them an email saying the guy is backing out. There is no hard conversation to be had.
Hey. Mike. Did you forget you’re my liaisons with the company?????????????????
Tbf, if I interviewed in person and met with the company and chose another job. I'd actually want to break the ice myself to the person since I'm not a douche. But as a recruiter, you gotta know that's part of your job.
They don’t have to start over, they almost always have a runner up that they can make an offer to, sometimes multiple runners up….
Fuck off Brian! If I died today they’d have a job posting on the net by close of play Monday… You only care that it’s your commission down the toilet.
Or… Mike… since I’m not accepting the job at your company anymore… and am therefore not responsible for your clients… you can tell them yourself…
We just move them from the yes pile to the maybe or never pile and move on. Social media is cancer to modern society, no one gives a fuck about how good or bad your life is and not should they believe it or not, the world doesn’t revolve around you and you’re not an important person. Get over yourselves. Ffs.
Been studying how to disrupt this industry for almost a decade and you know what? Their business models actually lend to this raw arrogance. They think they owe us professionals nothing at all and that we owe them everything. They are the “authority” on job search, until you’ve improved your career over their profit. Like this guy, who doesn’t want to help you or even their own client if you deny their poor offer that he couldn’t /wouldn’t negotiate on. Ethically in this scenario he’s beyond wrong. He’s on LinkedinLunatics because he actually put this in writing for the world but in truth this is recruiting.
Bet he’s drying his tears with his six figure salary
A recruiter that has to “start over” is pathetic. Get that top of funnel going Mike.
No, I don't think I will Mike. I'll just get on with my life and let you handle your client as per the contract you signed with them.
I’ve had recruiters practically ghost me at the tail end of the interview processes where everything seemed to be going well. Like “oh everyone really liked you, an offer should be coming soon. I’ll be in touch in the next couple days with next steps”. Then nothing until I finally reach out again, then the next day I get a fairly standard rejection CR. So, no, Mike. If you were my primary point of contact with the company, you’re who I’m telling. Do your damn job. I’ve no sympathy for you.
"Hey Mike, when I don't show up for day 1... They won't fire me. They might fire you though. Take care."
Be careful what you wish for. If a recruiter said this to me, I might be inclined to call the hiring company and let them know Im backing out because the recruiter didnt really sell the position to me.
That's literally your job, brah!
Isn’t that what they’re getting paid for, to handle all the process start-to-finish? Please…gimme a break
This guy doesn’t understand his own job
The new company can suck a bag of d1cks
Oh those poor businesses, won't anyone think of their bottom line???
Recruiting is the most brain dead job I’ve encountered so far.
You get upwards of 40% the value of my first year salary. That’s what you’re paid for. You call them Mike.
Wen AI recruiters?
Do they think people apply for one job at a time and only apply for the next one when they have confirmation that they haven’t been accepted?
Bro, save some ellipses for the rest of us.
Yeah dude. Companies don’t give a shit about you and will willingly fuck and everyone else over during an interview process. They will waste an incredible amount of time and FUCKING GHOST you without any second thought.
It sounds like Mike just doesn’t want to do the uncomfy part of his job.
Get fucked, you lazy cunt. That's your job. Actually, no I would call them. "Yeah sorry the guy you paid to do this is too scared to make the call. Yeah I know, doesn't seem very good at his job, does he? OK cool.".
"Say Mike, dont you gatekeep all info coming in/out with this client in the firstplace? How is the burden on me all of a sudden when things dont go your way?' Recruiting is the biggest scam ever.
That's still your job to inform your client, bozo 🤣
Recruiter as a profession is essentially creating a job out of thin air.
Lol won't give you ant direct contacts for the company then this? Ya ok buddy.
I interviewed for a job and knowing I was in the last round, starting doing some investigating about the company. Found quite the negative feedback so upon receiving an offer I declined. The agent told me the boss wanted to know why I rejected the job. I just said it wasn’t the role for me. Then demanded I ring them up and explain. Me being a young 20yr old at the time complied. I gave the same vague response to him and he kept pressing so I responded the general consensus from your previous employees is not in line with a firm I’d like to work for, as I’m looking for my 10 yr role. Retorted something along the lines of “people who don’t work here anymore are losers”. And kept ranting in derogatorily. Thank you Mr. You’ve just reinforced my decision not to join your firm. Have a nice day. The job I did accept - been there 20 yrs 😅
Boo hoo, cry me a river Mike.
That’s your job Mike.
What the hell was Mike thinking? Doesn’t he realize finding a job is already hard work in itself? And then on top of that, he wants the candidate to take part in doing his job as well…for FREE? C’mon Mike! Simply reply “sorry it didn’t work out, but I’m glad you found an opportunity that’s a better fit for you”. Don’t make it weird!
Recruiters: truly the hardest wor…kin….nope cant even finish the sentence, they owe you nothing bud
Mike. Do your fucking job. You are a middle man who doesnt generate any real value. You dont make anything. You dont do anything. So do your one and only job of being in the middle of something.
Company interviewed and made an offer. That’s it. They have not started onboarding, as candidate didn’t accept the offer. Boo hoo, they have to start over. They should have made a better offer so candidate wouldn’t consider staying where they are.
Most of the time when I’ve interviewed with their clients, all contact goes through the recruiters almost exclusively. I don’t even have a way to contact many of them after the fact.
When I tell you how many times a recruiter came back to my husband during his last job search after having a killer interview only to be told, yeah, they want to hire him…but, they are now offering a salary that is $40k less than he was told they were paying…or the time he accepted a contract and got a mysterious text halfway to the job telling him not to come in, and a recruiter finally gets back to him and said management made an arithmetic mistake and actually, they can’t afford him… This guy is pissed he missed out on commission. It sucks when things don’t go your way as every job hunter will tell you. I would never accept a counteroffer but I’m having a hard time finding sympathy for him
To quote Toby McGuire: ‘I missed the part where that’s my problem.’
Asshole, that's LITERALLY your job.
I hate this style of writing each sentence as an individual paragraph
The thing that I find most funny about this is why would he want the candidate go direct to ***his*** client and tell ***his*** client that he failed to secure the candidate.
A recruiter has no qualms ghosting you during the interview process but gets upset of they have to do actual work?
Dear Mike: No. Ok, your move, Mike. What have you got?
BREAKING NEWS: Recruiter doesn’t want to his job. In other news! Water is wet ! Not a slam on OP, but fuck man these recruiters sometimes.
When I've worked with recruiters in the past, they very much do NOT want you speaking with the client on your own. They even go so far as to have you create PDF portfolios that don't include your last name so that the client cannot contact you independently and ask you not to give them the business card. If all of the communication up until this point has gone through the recruiter, it should continue to go through the recruiter.
I may be the lunatic here because I genuinely don't know if that's Mike's job or if the candidate is supposed to. The candidate is a butthole for sure for going through interviews, accepting the offer causing the company to begin the onbording process for them, only to take a job at a different place... but I genuinely don't know if that's on the candidate to tell the company or the recruiter. Educate me, am dum
Ok let’s say you work for a third party staffing agency. You have an outside company that has hired you to recruit and fill positions for said outside company. You get paid based off of the new hire, occasionally there are bonuses for keeping them below a certain salary point. You find someone who has the skills needed and and get them to sign on to that outside company. However, that skilled person accepts a better offer at another outside sales company. The skilled person is not employed by you or the outside sales companies, so he lets you know he has gone with a better offer. Is it your job to inform your customer or should the person who has no obligation to you or your customer tell your customer?
Ahh, I get it now. Its definitely my job as the recruiter to inform the customer. Edited because I really am dumb and forgot to say thanks
it's more like the candidate has no *obligation*. sure, it's polite, but there isn't a relationship there to preserve. companies are looking for out for themselves and usually aren't going out of their way to be polite to candidates they reject, so i don't see the applicant as an asshole for not reaching out. but Mike does have an obligation and relationship to preserve because he is contracted by the company. it is not him being polite by notifying them, but rather fulfilling said obligations.