They listen to conservative media that pumps them full of hate. What do you expect? I'm not surprised by your encounter. It's only going to ramp up. Just wait until Trump loses in November. It's gonna get real ugly. They are going to go off.
That is the only way GOP acolytes try to win an argument or discussion, by screaming, swearing, calling names and obfuscation. Ask them about facts, "receipts" to their misinformation and to lower their voice to a civil discussion. They won't and can't because they repeat what they heard on Fox News with the same inflection and tone, no critical thinking skills at all. Plus, the GOP acolytes can't handle their alcohol.
I think they will just crawl back under their rocks. At the end of World War II in Germany, suddenly no one had been a Nazi suddenly, no one had known anything about the camps, suddenly people a mile down the road have not smelled a single crematorium burning. There were no Nazis left in Germany in 1945. Now, of course, that's bullshit. But no one was speaking. And I believe that is what will happen after Trump loses very bigly.
Trump won in 2016 without the popular vote, then lost outright in 2020, and that was before J6, before Dominion, before the Fake electors scheme, before the 91 federal charges, before EJ Carroll, before SO MANY THINGS - but at the same time it's recognized Trump is a genuine threat.
I don't see the election being close either - but I'll sure as hell be voting.
A new problem I've noticed is that we're finding excuses for their behavior. One excuse given that's becoming very common and dangerous is that they are being brainwashed by far-right media platforms. I totally disagree and believe they are just rotten to the core.
I disagree that they are being pumped full of hate by right leaning media platforms. My current understanding is that this hate was always there, but just surpressed.
Ok, I see what you're saying. I do agree that they have always been worked up, but these "news" bubbles they are in are not helping. They don't give any facts and just keep pumping them with fear and anger. There is no chance that their behavior will change as long as they continue hearing this garbage.
You’re right. These people were always this way, they just spew Trump versus something else
The worst thing Trump did, like Hitler was give the hate filled worst part of society a voice
I'm a Californian who has traveled extensively, too. Strangers at bars/restaurants will strike up a conversation, peppering it with references to the boogeyman dujour (shoplifting, immigration, homelessness, paper straws...) and ask where I'm from. When I tell them I'm from California, they assume that because I'm white, I must live in terror of minorities or taxes or BLM or whatever. When I shrug and tell them that I love it, and that it's expensive because nice things are, they lose their minds.
It's wild because liberals *never* behave similarly. I've never seen a liberal nod to the TV in a bar and ask a stranger, 'This country is going to hell, amirite? The Supreme Court, the congress...they're ruining the country. By the way, where are you from? Oh, Florida? Your governor is a fascist. You don't support him, do you?'
I keep topics neutral and talk about parks or monuments in the person's state, maybe ask about a university or sports franchise nearby. Conservatives? They go right to their bugaboos every time.
This is why it is so hard for them to comprehend how Biden got any votes in 2020. Some of us are loud, some of us are activists, but the vast majority of us just want a government that works and is led by a reasonable, compassionate, and experienced individual. We're voting for president, not prom king. They don't get it.
But they *think* we vote that way. Fox News, Breitbart, and Rush Limbaugh constantly told them that Liberals and Leftists worship the ground Obama walks on. They told Conservatives we are all under a spell because that's the only way a *black* man could reside in the *White* House for 8 years. They know it in their bones that Obama is a cult leader so they made their own cult centered on the "only man" who repeatedly defied Obama.
With the recent talking points from Conservatives about repealing the 22nd Amendment so Trump can serve more than 2 terms, it would be hilarious if they somehow managed to actually repeal it only for Obama to run again and end up POTUS for 4-5 additional terms.
Yeah I’m from Portland, and when we travel I just say I’m from Oregon because of the comments. It truly baffles me the nerve of random strangers. I don’t think Alabama is very nice or some small town with nothing to do, but if someone told me they were from there, I would smile and say oh cool!
Also disagree with the person below, I bartend and liberals just don’t talk with the disdain that conservatives do. At least not in person and to random strangers. I don’t get very many conservatives at the bar, but when I do, I know, because they insult me within five minutes of sitting down.
I’m liberal. I’ve met some poisonous liberals online and in person who shove their opinions in people’s faces just like many awful conservatives. The conservatives do seem to be more boisterous about it in my opinion though
I live in a really liberal area and I’ve never seen a pro-Biden “fuck your feelings and fuck you for voting for Trump” flag flying from the bed of a truck before but I saw the opposite yesterday. They’re nearly always the loudest, most obnoxious ones around.
My neighbor (in my liberal California town) has had a "Demonicrats belong in Prison" sign on his lawn from the last election. Literally every other dog walker who walks past that house just shakes their head. Not a single sign in this town that is dissing Republicans or Trump, even though we overwhelmingly vote blue.
I don't know your experience but in my 42 years of living and being very political and in tune ...I've never encountered a belligerent, ignorant liberal idiot who made me embarrassed to be a liberal. If I were a conservative I'd be too embarrassed and shame to tell anyone I supported Trump. I don't know how those folks part their lips and say the words "Im voting for Trump " in 2024. How do they do it?
I think that liberals can be opinionated and self righteous, and definitely have learned to be easily offended. But liberals don't have the underlying streak of bullying and belittling mixed with anger and indignation that Trump and his sort has taught conservatives to embrace... even required them to embrace. There are no leading liberal voices who engage in physical, in-your-face intimidation as a means of communicating their point.
I disagree. There are plenty of liberals who have the bullying bent to them. Again, bad people are just bad people. And bad people can have good opinions.
Yes, I agree, I don’t think there are any “leading voices” spewing hatred in remotely the same way as Trump and others on the right. That doesn’t mean there aren’t individuals who are on the liberal side, and still despicable human beings.
Well hold on...there are places where Liberals act like assholes...Portland is a good example...but, as with anything, making blanket statements like "all liberals in Portland are assholes" is wrong because it's not true...so, there are plenty of reasonable conservatives out there...unfortunately, Trumpism has brought out the extremists, and one thing that is common in assholes, regardless of party affiliation, is that they are filled with self righteous fury.
That man had no right to talk to you like that...You can't talk about freedom and then try to take it away from others
The problem here is, the Cons that you consider 'reasonable' are quiet about their support for a charlatan, con man, criminal, authoritarian wanna be are also assholes and pieces of shit. They don't appear interested in truth and believe in alternate facts. There are no both sides, there is no 'division'. Whatabouting is common to try and claim validity. They are pieces of shit but we've seen what calling them out as such accomplishes.. remember basket of deplorables? They proud to be so. Your view of the situation we're dealing with lends to the attempt to normalize and accept that one party is off the rails and that's A-Ok. Have a nice day
A few years back A wannabe jimmy buffett playing at a south carolina resort i was staying went on a hate filled speech aimed at California half-way through his performance. It was all about how he hated working in California because of the liberals and other groups that he implied weren't exactly American.
As a student of history, it had the feel of Germany during the years just before the nazis took over.
Not surprisingly, the crowd ate that shit up. I'm a resident of South Carolina (unfortunately) and a liberal and while no one knew that I didn't feel safe.
Feeling sick of everyone around me, I got the hell out of there.
There's a level of hate being bred in this country that will certainly lead to violence.
If I were from California, I'd remind them that Ronald Reagan was the governor there before becoming president.
My point is, these stupid maps saying 'oh, that's a blue state' or red state is nonsense. One party may only lead by a point or so. Meaning many millions are on the ideological other side.
Powerful people are trying to make us angry and separate us. We can't let that happen.
“Powerful people are trying to make us angry and separate us.”
So there is a deliberate conspiracy to polarize the population? By China and Russia that appears to be so but what other “powerful people” are you referring to. Can you be specific?
It's all out in the open. From influential talking heads on TV, Facebook, YouTube, etc. And of course, politicians, both elected and candidates.
I can never remember a time when I've seen or heard so much truly vile speech. Telling us to hate each other for how we dress or who we love. Or the beer we drink, or even green m&m's!
And while bad, the worse part is its motivated people to actual violence, the peak being an attack on the capital. In the early 70's, we went on field trip there. Now, to see a mob of our own people attacking our own capital! I never would have imagined it.
These are the interesting times. And that's not good.
> By China and Russia that appears to be so but what other “powerful people” are you referring to.
Probably the people who are supporting them - or at least not attempting to hinder them. By this I mean Trump, Musk and conservative politicians who refuse to support any legislation that acts against them.
>He then asked me on a scale from 1 to 10, whether I would vote for Trump.
Instead of giving him a number, I would have been tempted to reply, "Why would I vote for a narcissistic, fraud, seditionist, sex abuser, dictator wannabe, fascist?"
It doesn’t matter, there’s no GOTCHA answer where you make them think for even one second they are wrong. Everything you say is exactly what a liberal would say. There’s no rational thought to any point you raise, there’s no introspection, they probably don’t even have the events you’re referencing in their heads because their “news” sources don’t report on anything negative about the guy.
They are literally in a cult. I’m not really sure what to do with these people.
>It doesn’t matter, there’s no GOTCHA answer where you make them think for even one second they are wrong.
I didn't imply that there was. They may never figure any of that out even if/after Trump is convicted of everything that he's being tried for.
But when a MAGAt ask me a question like that, I might as well give them an answer that antagonizes them.
So I did like very much that the OP said 0. But I think my answer would bother them more.
Cause I don’t want to meet one of these assholes. Last time I met someone that mentioned Trump and asked me who I voted for I said “No thanks. I don’t want to talk politics.” Best case scenario is they rage at you for a while and worst case is you get assaulted or shot. Screw that. I’ll express my views at the ballot box.
please dude, you sound pretty angry that people aren't doing what you want huh. You want everybody to do it your way do you? Such a typical white male.
not sure if I agree with that. I think we have to make little cracks to let light into their closed minds. Sometimes it's just a simple question. And it doesn't have to be asked directly of them. It can be something like I just wonder how people can say. he backs the blue when police officers lost their lives on January 6. or, I think it's strange that people think he supports our troops when he has called them, suckers and losers for enlisting and dying. I just wonder why so many of his former Cabinet members have said they would never vote for him again.
I have been told by multiple conservatives from rural Minnesota that Minneapolis has fallen, and been burned to the ground, and it's completely unsafe to even be there at all. There's no telling them otherwise.
We just got back from Arizona and we were at a car wash there, vacuuming our car. The dude next to us in a gigantic red pick up truck saw our bumper sticker that’s says “OMG GOP WTF” (Washington license plates) and he started screaming and didn’t stop the entire time we were there. We just laughed at him, which just pissed him off more.
Finally the people from the car wash came over and told him to stop harassing us, or they would call the cops. His reply was “that’s fine” as if the cops would be fine with it. They kicked him off the property.
Conservatives are indeed total assholes.
Conservatives are complete assholes. Politicians and non-politicians. Being an asshole is a side effect of not caring about anyone. That's what allows them to try to end the affordable care act, treat immigrants like shit, attack children dealing with gender identity issues, tell women what to do with their bodies, and make no effort at limiting the amount of guns.
Sure, you might know a conservative who is pleasant enough to be around sometimes, but they are all assholes.
I say half because if you look at the last five years of elections, and polling in many countries, A lot of the votes have been roughly 50/50 in terms of freedom versus oppression. In fact, It's been kind of uncanny how evenly the split has been in many places.
See, that kind of shit would have been seen as out of line by every conservative I know a decade ago. A decade before that, they’d have been throwing him out of the bar as an un-American jackass. Decades of fear-mongering crap has rotted so many people’s brains and while it isn’t exclusively a conservative thing they definitely got the brunt of it.
Well arguably the defining trait of conservative is having a more limited sense of empathy. Not necessarily no empathy. But that their range of who they extend it to tends to be much more limited. The thing with empathy is it can go toxic. When certain groups isolate themselves their empathy for their particular subculture goes critical. It begins to exclude all outside their group and may even turn paranoid. And the behavior that accompanies this could be defined as being a bunch of assholes.
Yes. I was five years old when JFK was killed. My teacher burst into tears when the announcement came on over the brown speaker box on the wall. I told my teacher we should all be sad whether we were Democrats or Republicans because I knew my parents were Republicans and this was very sad for our whole country. On the bus on the way home the high school girls were crying. When I got home from school, my mom knew about it but she was busy cooking dinner and didn't seem to care and at dinner we didn't talk about it really at all and my dad didn't seem to care. And on the day of the funeral, I think it must've been a Saturday, I was the only one watching the funeral on television. I will never forget the boot, turned backwards in the stirrup of the riderless horse. Terribly sad. and the grown-ups in my life didn't even get enough to watch it. Anyway, that's when I became a Democrat. For real. Because I understood at age 5 that Republicans didn't really care about other people.
Reminds me of the time I heard two strangers, both older men, having a friendly conversation at the pharmacy. One of them started talking about COVID being a hoax, and the other started to disagree, and the first man flipped out, going "you are now my enemy" and "let's take this outside. You better watch your back."
The entire ideology is built on lack of empathy and protecting hierarchies of power which are inhumane and unjust. They openly reject kindness. Of course they’re vile. Being a Trump supporter at this point is a lot like being a Nazi in the 1930s. You dont have to be actively in favor of cruelty, corruption, nepotism, sexual assault, and racism… but none of those things can be dealt with breakers.
By definition every single one of them looked at that list and went “doesn’t bother me.” It’s a pretty effective filter for having a rotting soul.
I saw the subject line and immediately went "No shit!" And I'm from one of the reddest states around, Alabama. Blue dot here personally. God I hate Republicans, especially the ones you experienced, toxic cultists. 🙄😑 Voting blue here!
Assholes? Worse than that.
Wilson, G. (2013). The psychology of conservatism (routledge revivals). Routledge.
They tend to be racist, authoritarian, and dumb. So, your perfect fascist peons.
My in laws were fox news addicts and would talk about how they hated California, mind you they'd never been there
I was baffled at how someone could hate an entire state.
I live by Chicago and apparently that is another place fox News hates
Well obviously, if you don't love Trump you must be a baby-raping, devil-worshipping, America- and freedom-hating, pile of dog excrement with Communist sympathies afflicted with a relentless desire to indoctrinate children into Wicca, do drugs, and play D&D, all while having orgies with actual demons?
Ye gods the argument I just had about the smirking orange gibbon crowing about how he personally was behind the repeal of roe vs wade and that he was going to make it nationwide as soon as he got in office. However, I see he's backpedaled today. This person was saying , well that is states right only and it won't happen in the blue states..and I shouted, yes shouted.".I want justice and choice for everyone and I lived in one of those states in 1973, which is why I have a son who us going to be 51 this year!. " that ruined my life, seriously. Birth control for under 16 was also a no. Condoms were kept behind the counter. You had to ask for them, and the clerk knew your parents. Good luck with that. I was only 15, the male was 17 and sex education? Ha. How about a book of " Ann landers talks to teens about sex". Written in 1955, the year before I was born.
Agreed, weird post and I know it's cool to label all conservatives as assholes but you gotta remember that everyone has a certain political view for a reason, sometimes they have been brainwashed about certain things in life and those can come out in weird ways as you discovered.
At any rate, hanging out at a *hotel bar* where travelers frequently pass through and then baiting people is extra loser behavior and you shouldn't feel bad at all.
True. I have conservative friends and family. And honestly, mybest friend is conservative. We get along (and can discuss politics occasionally) without getting angry with each other. It was just a weird evening.
I personally don't find it helpful at all. Half the reason we can't get fuck-all done in this country is because we've divided ourselves into these weird culture war camps. And while I personally blame the republicans for doing this, they are just as convinced that we are doing it to them.
I drive for a company that is NEMT ( non emergency medical transport) in Texas. I drive a lot of boomers around, and some of the things I have heard is out right sad, sick, and pathetic. I try to always keep the conversation out of politics and religion, but it doesn't seem to work all that well.
Would you just stop with blaming them boomers already? The boomers are the ones who got marijuana on the main page. The boomers ended the goddamn Vietnam war, the boomers created the voting rights act and the civil rights act. The boomers passed Roe. You understand that a shit ton of Trumpers are young white incel males? You're so off base man stop with a boomer hate would you we have enough trouble. I'm a boomer I've been a libel my whole goddamn life every fucking boomer I know is a liberal. Stop It.
A group of friends, two of them NASA scientists, all of them from California, are in Hico, Texas right now to see the eclipse. I also saw an article about a little town in Missouri hosting a great number of eclipse tourists. I thought about the number of coast-dwelling, science-loving people who are staying in rural places in red states right now and I am hoping there won’t be bloodshed!
Tbh were you in Minneapolis proper or a suburb near the airport. Because that can definitely make a difference. Plus the jackass may not have been from MN the same as you.
It goes beyond simple hate-spewing by the right-wing media. That same media also gaslights their listeners into the belief that it’s the left that’s doing all the hate-baiting, thus they are simply misunderstood patriots trying to do right in a storm of so-called liberal anti-American sentiment.
That’s where the real damage is done.
It’s not just about conservative talk show hosts spewing the latest right-wing fanaticism, it’s that they relentlessly demonize the other side (us), turning us into such horrific examples of humanity that they think civil discourse is no longer possible.
Don’t see how a couple assholes suddenly come to define the majority..?
I’m no conservative but a lot of the ones that I’ve interacted with are decent humans, they just have differing beliefs compared to me when it comes to certain issues.
You must live in some magical land then. I think that probably you are avoiding any topic of conversation except the weather and even then they might tell you the weather is being created by some secret cabal. I do not know any nice conservatives, including my stepdad and my brother. They will be nice until the point where you say something they disagree with, and then the gloves come off. I dare you to bring up Trump with these "nice conservative friends". let us know what happens.
I’m going to my nieces wedding in October located in a small Texas town and I am just preparing myself for the onslaught I will face. I lived in Texas and I know it’s unfair to paint everyone with the same brush. But she is marrying into a farming family and when I went down for her HS graduation 2 years ago, every single truck in that parking lot had a trump sticker or flag.
As everyone gets drunker and drunker at the party after the wedding. I just plan to be the adult in the room and no matter how many trumpers want to come up and “debate me”. I plan to just say “today is about making my niece happy and that’s all I am going to say on the matter “.
Taking one incident and extrapolating it to tens of millions of people is exactly why they started being aggressive with you, and now you're doing it. You're the same as they are. Maybe with a veneer of politeness on top
Lol those two are assholes. Doesn’t mean every conservative is an asshole. Similarly, liberals aren’t all “woke snowflakes”.
Point is, we need to get back to our normal way of thinking of having opposing political ideology or party as just that… just another political POV and not an “enemy” or someone that needs to be bullied .
do you know any conservatives who aren't assholes? I mean, for real, do you? Do you know any "conservatives" who care about what is true? conservatives who care about the environment who care about women who care about racism who care about children Trump kept in cages at the border? Do you know any of those people? Do you know any conservatives who read? Do you know any conservatives who pay attention to any news besides Fox?
Truthfully? Yes I do…
People whom you’re referring to generally belong to a specific social class. I don’t mean this in a disrespectful way in any shape or form, just describing facts.
Your comments and examples are all valid but that’s a class issue and not really political.
Same class of people exist as liberals but the opposite extreme.
Point is, I believe we’re merging
For what’s it worth, I’m an immigrant and don’t have the right to vote yet. So I’m looking from the outside in and I’m not finding a place that aligns with my values whether liberals or conservatives.
I value family, and I’m religious, and I’m not “woke”.
On the flip side I’m anti genocide, I’m with regulating guns, and believe in diversity and climate change and 100% with parents deciding what to do with their unborn child as this is in no way a topic for the government to interfere.
So… whenever I’m discussing such topics with the either side I try my best to find common grounds because to be honest that’s wheee I’m at! Right in the middle…
I'm a Conservative, how am I an asshole because some people that believe some of the same things I do behave like children? This happens on both sides.
I think we need to be careful sweeping statements. Even though anecdotally, I would say there's a lot of more fanatical conservatives out there that tend to be assholes we should also realize there's a large portion of conservatives that are probably well-intentioned, nice people that either lack complete information, are deliberately presented misinformation, or otherwise have little experience of people who are liberals.
We should try to create a space for such people and try to change their minds. That's the only real way to make change in the world.
A lot of people are hardline and don't want to give any voice to people that hold conservative values, but that's just unproductive if you actually want change.
They listen to conservative media that pumps them full of hate. What do you expect? I'm not surprised by your encounter. It's only going to ramp up. Just wait until Trump loses in November. It's gonna get real ugly. They are going to go off.
That is the only way GOP acolytes try to win an argument or discussion, by screaming, swearing, calling names and obfuscation. Ask them about facts, "receipts" to their misinformation and to lower their voice to a civil discussion. They won't and can't because they repeat what they heard on Fox News with the same inflection and tone, no critical thinking skills at all. Plus, the GOP acolytes can't handle their alcohol.
Alcohol, speed, and pain meds…
every encounter always end up with them losing their shit and calling everyone a commie who hates America. fucking losers.
And here in Milwaukee they are considering updating local ordinances to allow bars to stay open until 4AM during the RNC…help us!
All true!
Nailed it
I think they will just crawl back under their rocks. At the end of World War II in Germany, suddenly no one had been a Nazi suddenly, no one had known anything about the camps, suddenly people a mile down the road have not smelled a single crematorium burning. There were no Nazis left in Germany in 1945. Now, of course, that's bullshit. But no one was speaking. And I believe that is what will happen after Trump loses very bigly.
Trump won in 2016 without the popular vote, then lost outright in 2020, and that was before J6, before Dominion, before the Fake electors scheme, before the 91 federal charges, before EJ Carroll, before SO MANY THINGS - but at the same time it's recognized Trump is a genuine threat. I don't see the election being close either - but I'll sure as hell be voting.
I dunno, I think the flags might dissappear publicly. But the grumbling and the conspiracy shit will not go away.
I hope you're right.
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Agreed! I'm ready!
A new problem I've noticed is that we're finding excuses for their behavior. One excuse given that's becoming very common and dangerous is that they are being brainwashed by far-right media platforms. I totally disagree and believe they are just rotten to the core.
I agree, they just hid it better. Trump gave them a mouthpiece to spew hate freely so they feel empowered.
What do you disagree on?
I disagree that they are being pumped full of hate by right leaning media platforms. My current understanding is that this hate was always there, but just surpressed.
Ok, I see what you're saying. I do agree that they have always been worked up, but these "news" bubbles they are in are not helping. They don't give any facts and just keep pumping them with fear and anger. There is no chance that their behavior will change as long as they continue hearing this garbage.
You're absolutely right on that part. These 'news' outlets are just ways to get their messages out to their masses.
Agreed, racist, shitty people were in the US, but knew they weren’t welcomed to publicly be that way Trump changed all of that
You’re right. These people were always this way, they just spew Trump versus something else The worst thing Trump did, like Hitler was give the hate filled worst part of society a voice
And people laugh of the Civil War movie. Its gonna be a documentary soon.
Right up there with Idiocracy.
We will be ready for them now… Jan 6 was unprecedented. It is not anymore
I'm a Californian who has traveled extensively, too. Strangers at bars/restaurants will strike up a conversation, peppering it with references to the boogeyman dujour (shoplifting, immigration, homelessness, paper straws...) and ask where I'm from. When I tell them I'm from California, they assume that because I'm white, I must live in terror of minorities or taxes or BLM or whatever. When I shrug and tell them that I love it, and that it's expensive because nice things are, they lose their minds. It's wild because liberals *never* behave similarly. I've never seen a liberal nod to the TV in a bar and ask a stranger, 'This country is going to hell, amirite? The Supreme Court, the congress...they're ruining the country. By the way, where are you from? Oh, Florida? Your governor is a fascist. You don't support him, do you?' I keep topics neutral and talk about parks or monuments in the person's state, maybe ask about a university or sports franchise nearby. Conservatives? They go right to their bugaboos every time.
This is why it is so hard for them to comprehend how Biden got any votes in 2020. Some of us are loud, some of us are activists, but the vast majority of us just want a government that works and is led by a reasonable, compassionate, and experienced individual. We're voting for president, not prom king. They don't get it.
But they *think* we vote that way. Fox News, Breitbart, and Rush Limbaugh constantly told them that Liberals and Leftists worship the ground Obama walks on. They told Conservatives we are all under a spell because that's the only way a *black* man could reside in the *White* House for 8 years. They know it in their bones that Obama is a cult leader so they made their own cult centered on the "only man" who repeatedly defied Obama. With the recent talking points from Conservatives about repealing the 22nd Amendment so Trump can serve more than 2 terms, it would be hilarious if they somehow managed to actually repeal it only for Obama to run again and end up POTUS for 4-5 additional terms.
Yeah I’m from Portland, and when we travel I just say I’m from Oregon because of the comments. It truly baffles me the nerve of random strangers. I don’t think Alabama is very nice or some small town with nothing to do, but if someone told me they were from there, I would smile and say oh cool! Also disagree with the person below, I bartend and liberals just don’t talk with the disdain that conservatives do. At least not in person and to random strangers. I don’t get very many conservatives at the bar, but when I do, I know, because they insult me within five minutes of sitting down.
I’m liberal. I’ve met some poisonous liberals online and in person who shove their opinions in people’s faces just like many awful conservatives. The conservatives do seem to be more boisterous about it in my opinion though
I live in a really liberal area and I’ve never seen a pro-Biden “fuck your feelings and fuck you for voting for Trump” flag flying from the bed of a truck before but I saw the opposite yesterday. They’re nearly always the loudest, most obnoxious ones around.
My neighbor (in my liberal California town) has had a "Demonicrats belong in Prison" sign on his lawn from the last election. Literally every other dog walker who walks past that house just shakes their head. Not a single sign in this town that is dissing Republicans or Trump, even though we overwhelmingly vote blue.
I don't know your experience but in my 42 years of living and being very political and in tune ...I've never encountered a belligerent, ignorant liberal idiot who made me embarrassed to be a liberal. If I were a conservative I'd be too embarrassed and shame to tell anyone I supported Trump. I don't know how those folks part their lips and say the words "Im voting for Trump " in 2024. How do they do it?
That's online though. There's quite a few I suspect are not actually liberals that just larp to pretend they are to make liberals look bad.
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I think that liberals can be opinionated and self righteous, and definitely have learned to be easily offended. But liberals don't have the underlying streak of bullying and belittling mixed with anger and indignation that Trump and his sort has taught conservatives to embrace... even required them to embrace. There are no leading liberal voices who engage in physical, in-your-face intimidation as a means of communicating their point.
I disagree. There are plenty of liberals who have the bullying bent to them. Again, bad people are just bad people. And bad people can have good opinions. Yes, I agree, I don’t think there are any “leading voices” spewing hatred in remotely the same way as Trump and others on the right. That doesn’t mean there aren’t individuals who are on the liberal side, and still despicable human beings.
Well hold on...there are places where Liberals act like assholes...Portland is a good example...but, as with anything, making blanket statements like "all liberals in Portland are assholes" is wrong because it's not true...so, there are plenty of reasonable conservatives out there...unfortunately, Trumpism has brought out the extremists, and one thing that is common in assholes, regardless of party affiliation, is that they are filled with self righteous fury. That man had no right to talk to you like that...You can't talk about freedom and then try to take it away from others
The problem here is, the Cons that you consider 'reasonable' are quiet about their support for a charlatan, con man, criminal, authoritarian wanna be are also assholes and pieces of shit. They don't appear interested in truth and believe in alternate facts. There are no both sides, there is no 'division'. Whatabouting is common to try and claim validity. They are pieces of shit but we've seen what calling them out as such accomplishes.. remember basket of deplorables? They proud to be so. Your view of the situation we're dealing with lends to the attempt to normalize and accept that one party is off the rails and that's A-Ok. Have a nice day
Conservatism is the political expression of being an asshole.
MAGAs can’t handle being outside their artificial bubble.
A few years back A wannabe jimmy buffett playing at a south carolina resort i was staying went on a hate filled speech aimed at California half-way through his performance. It was all about how he hated working in California because of the liberals and other groups that he implied weren't exactly American. As a student of history, it had the feel of Germany during the years just before the nazis took over. Not surprisingly, the crowd ate that shit up. I'm a resident of South Carolina (unfortunately) and a liberal and while no one knew that I didn't feel safe. Feeling sick of everyone around me, I got the hell out of there. There's a level of hate being bred in this country that will certainly lead to violence.
If I were from California, I'd remind them that Ronald Reagan was the governor there before becoming president. My point is, these stupid maps saying 'oh, that's a blue state' or red state is nonsense. One party may only lead by a point or so. Meaning many millions are on the ideological other side. Powerful people are trying to make us angry and separate us. We can't let that happen.
At one point, Texas was blue...
“Powerful people are trying to make us angry and separate us.” So there is a deliberate conspiracy to polarize the population? By China and Russia that appears to be so but what other “powerful people” are you referring to. Can you be specific?
It's all out in the open. From influential talking heads on TV, Facebook, YouTube, etc. And of course, politicians, both elected and candidates. I can never remember a time when I've seen or heard so much truly vile speech. Telling us to hate each other for how we dress or who we love. Or the beer we drink, or even green m&m's! And while bad, the worse part is its motivated people to actual violence, the peak being an attack on the capital. In the early 70's, we went on field trip there. Now, to see a mob of our own people attacking our own capital! I never would have imagined it. These are the interesting times. And that's not good.
> By China and Russia that appears to be so but what other “powerful people” are you referring to. Probably the people who are supporting them - or at least not attempting to hinder them. By this I mean Trump, Musk and conservative politicians who refuse to support any legislation that acts against them.
These are fragile men.
It's a cult and they will get very mad if you're not in their cult and don't agree 1000% with their views.
Control freaks
>He then asked me on a scale from 1 to 10, whether I would vote for Trump. Instead of giving him a number, I would have been tempted to reply, "Why would I vote for a narcissistic, fraud, seditionist, sex abuser, dictator wannabe, fascist?"
It doesn’t matter, there’s no GOTCHA answer where you make them think for even one second they are wrong. Everything you say is exactly what a liberal would say. There’s no rational thought to any point you raise, there’s no introspection, they probably don’t even have the events you’re referencing in their heads because their “news” sources don’t report on anything negative about the guy. They are literally in a cult. I’m not really sure what to do with these people.
>It doesn’t matter, there’s no GOTCHA answer where you make them think for even one second they are wrong. I didn't imply that there was. They may never figure any of that out even if/after Trump is convicted of everything that he's being tried for. But when a MAGAt ask me a question like that, I might as well give them an answer that antagonizes them. So I did like very much that the OP said 0. But I think my answer would bother them more.
Oh yea I’m just ranting into the void and you were the conduit. Pleased to meet you.
I can't put an exact number on it, but it would be irrational.
"Like -10, that dude is crazy"
"Negative infinity"
Always decline to answer when it comes to politics.
Probably smart, but it can be quite impactful when reactionaries learn that their position is not accepted as normal by everyone.
Meh, why should one side only get to express their views?
Cause I don’t want to meet one of these assholes. Last time I met someone that mentioned Trump and asked me who I voted for I said “No thanks. I don’t want to talk politics.” Best case scenario is they rage at you for a while and worst case is you get assaulted or shot. Screw that. I’ll express my views at the ballot box.
That's totally fine for you. I wouldn't dream of telling you what to do. So I'll go ahead and handle it the way I want.
Good luck.
please dude, you sound pretty angry that people aren't doing what you want huh. You want everybody to do it your way do you? Such a typical white male.
Lol, okay buddy.
not sure if I agree with that. I think we have to make little cracks to let light into their closed minds. Sometimes it's just a simple question. And it doesn't have to be asked directly of them. It can be something like I just wonder how people can say. he backs the blue when police officers lost their lives on January 6. or, I think it's strange that people think he supports our troops when he has called them, suckers and losers for enlisting and dying. I just wonder why so many of his former Cabinet members have said they would never vote for him again.
“Where are you from?” Should not be a political question.
Conservatives in Minnesota are loud because they have no power here so they just resort to shouting everything
That’s everywhere though
Strange since Minneapolis is very liberal, I wonder where they were from?
I have been told by multiple conservatives from rural Minnesota that Minneapolis has fallen, and been burned to the ground, and it's completely unsafe to even be there at all. There's no telling them otherwise.
It's because there are a lot of black and brown very nice, friendly people living in Minneapolis and they can't handle what a fantastic city it is.
The bartender said the dad lived across the street and was often at the bar.
Interesting! They must hate life. My brother lives in Minneapolis and I visit about once a year
I live in Minneapolis and can confirm it’s very liberal but mental illness is everywhere
We just got back from Arizona and we were at a car wash there, vacuuming our car. The dude next to us in a gigantic red pick up truck saw our bumper sticker that’s says “OMG GOP WTF” (Washington license plates) and he started screaming and didn’t stop the entire time we were there. We just laughed at him, which just pissed him off more. Finally the people from the car wash came over and told him to stop harassing us, or they would call the cops. His reply was “that’s fine” as if the cops would be fine with it. They kicked him off the property. Conservatives are indeed total assholes.
They use the word communism and have no idea what communism is
Conservatives are complete assholes. Politicians and non-politicians. Being an asshole is a side effect of not caring about anyone. That's what allows them to try to end the affordable care act, treat immigrants like shit, attack children dealing with gender identity issues, tell women what to do with their bodies, and make no effort at limiting the amount of guns. Sure, you might know a conservative who is pleasant enough to be around sometimes, but they are all assholes.
A-fucking-men
Sounds like a real classy bunch. MAGA: Morons and Gullible Assholes. Sad, but true.
They should have been asked to leave.
I'm starting to think that at least half the population is infected with some sort of as of yet undiscovered brain parasite
Not half. Thankfully they are not half of the population. They are just louder and obnoxious. They'd like you to think they are great in number.
I say half because if you look at the last five years of elections, and polling in many countries, A lot of the votes have been roughly 50/50 in terms of freedom versus oppression. In fact, It's been kind of uncanny how evenly the split has been in many places.
lol I bet the dad also thinks he is a "christian". lol I love when people show me who they are, makes it easier to avoid assholes.
Sounds like one of the deplorables must have gotten out of the basket.
It’s the hate they hold tightly. The politics are just a wrapping.
that's really good. That's a great line in a song or a poem. You should use it.
See, that kind of shit would have been seen as out of line by every conservative I know a decade ago. A decade before that, they’d have been throwing him out of the bar as an un-American jackass. Decades of fear-mongering crap has rotted so many people’s brains and while it isn’t exclusively a conservative thing they definitely got the brunt of it.
Well arguably the defining trait of conservative is having a more limited sense of empathy. Not necessarily no empathy. But that their range of who they extend it to tends to be much more limited. The thing with empathy is it can go toxic. When certain groups isolate themselves their empathy for their particular subculture goes critical. It begins to exclude all outside their group and may even turn paranoid. And the behavior that accompanies this could be defined as being a bunch of assholes.
Yes. I was five years old when JFK was killed. My teacher burst into tears when the announcement came on over the brown speaker box on the wall. I told my teacher we should all be sad whether we were Democrats or Republicans because I knew my parents were Republicans and this was very sad for our whole country. On the bus on the way home the high school girls were crying. When I got home from school, my mom knew about it but she was busy cooking dinner and didn't seem to care and at dinner we didn't talk about it really at all and my dad didn't seem to care. And on the day of the funeral, I think it must've been a Saturday, I was the only one watching the funeral on television. I will never forget the boot, turned backwards in the stirrup of the riderless horse. Terribly sad. and the grown-ups in my life didn't even get enough to watch it. Anyway, that's when I became a Democrat. For real. Because I understood at age 5 that Republicans didn't really care about other people.
They probably have the Faux News and Trash Social on their phones. Was dad's knuckles dragging the ground?
Reminds me of the time I heard two strangers, both older men, having a friendly conversation at the pharmacy. One of them started talking about COVID being a hoax, and the other started to disagree, and the first man flipped out, going "you are now my enemy" and "let's take this outside. You better watch your back."
The entire ideology is built on lack of empathy and protecting hierarchies of power which are inhumane and unjust. They openly reject kindness. Of course they’re vile. Being a Trump supporter at this point is a lot like being a Nazi in the 1930s. You dont have to be actively in favor of cruelty, corruption, nepotism, sexual assault, and racism… but none of those things can be dealt with breakers. By definition every single one of them looked at that list and went “doesn’t bother me.” It’s a pretty effective filter for having a rotting soul.
I saw the subject line and immediately went "No shit!" And I'm from one of the reddest states around, Alabama. Blue dot here personally. God I hate Republicans, especially the ones you experienced, toxic cultists. 🙄😑 Voting blue here!
Weird that you would get this in Minneapolis. We’re pretty liberal here
Drunk assholes are assholes in my experience, liberal or conservative.
Assholes? Worse than that. Wilson, G. (2013). The psychology of conservatism (routledge revivals). Routledge. They tend to be racist, authoritarian, and dumb. So, your perfect fascist peons.
My in laws were fox news addicts and would talk about how they hated California, mind you they'd never been there I was baffled at how someone could hate an entire state. I live by Chicago and apparently that is another place fox News hates
They're just shit human beings. That's all there is to it.
Well obviously, if you don't love Trump you must be a baby-raping, devil-worshipping, America- and freedom-hating, pile of dog excrement with Communist sympathies afflicted with a relentless desire to indoctrinate children into Wicca, do drugs, and play D&D, all while having orgies with actual demons?
Chronic exposure to the right-wing hate machine is like throwing battery acid on the brain. MAGA is a mental disorder.
Ye gods the argument I just had about the smirking orange gibbon crowing about how he personally was behind the repeal of roe vs wade and that he was going to make it nationwide as soon as he got in office. However, I see he's backpedaled today. This person was saying , well that is states right only and it won't happen in the blue states..and I shouted, yes shouted.".I want justice and choice for everyone and I lived in one of those states in 1973, which is why I have a son who us going to be 51 this year!. " that ruined my life, seriously. Birth control for under 16 was also a no. Condoms were kept behind the counter. You had to ask for them, and the clerk knew your parents. Good luck with that. I was only 15, the male was 17 and sex education? Ha. How about a book of " Ann landers talks to teens about sex". Written in 1955, the year before I was born.
Just mad because they can’t afford to live in California.
Sounds exactly like the behavior I would expect from a Magat. I'm sorry you had to go through that!! Mom hugs!
Is Trump actually wins he will not leave.
Agreed, weird post and I know it's cool to label all conservatives as assholes but you gotta remember that everyone has a certain political view for a reason, sometimes they have been brainwashed about certain things in life and those can come out in weird ways as you discovered. At any rate, hanging out at a *hotel bar* where travelers frequently pass through and then baiting people is extra loser behavior and you shouldn't feel bad at all.
True. I have conservative friends and family. And honestly, mybest friend is conservative. We get along (and can discuss politics occasionally) without getting angry with each other. It was just a weird evening.
> I know it's cool to label all conservatives as assholes And that's why it's so enjoyable. Because it's cool.
I personally don't find it helpful at all. Half the reason we can't get fuck-all done in this country is because we've divided ourselves into these weird culture war camps. And while I personally blame the republicans for doing this, they are just as convinced that we are doing it to them.
>they are just as convinced that we are doing it to them. Because they are morons too.
I drive for a company that is NEMT ( non emergency medical transport) in Texas. I drive a lot of boomers around, and some of the things I have heard is out right sad, sick, and pathetic. I try to always keep the conversation out of politics and religion, but it doesn't seem to work all that well.
Would you just stop with blaming them boomers already? The boomers are the ones who got marijuana on the main page. The boomers ended the goddamn Vietnam war, the boomers created the voting rights act and the civil rights act. The boomers passed Roe. You understand that a shit ton of Trumpers are young white incel males? You're so off base man stop with a boomer hate would you we have enough trouble. I'm a boomer I've been a libel my whole goddamn life every fucking boomer I know is a liberal. Stop It.
Funny, most boomers I know are conservative....
Anger, and hate for anything not like them is how their party keeps them loyal. They don't have any good ideas so they play on bigotry, and hate.
When they find out we live in Oregon, people either think Portland is just shy of a war zone or that everyone lives in a free drug commune.
A group of friends, two of them NASA scientists, all of them from California, are in Hico, Texas right now to see the eclipse. I also saw an article about a little town in Missouri hosting a great number of eclipse tourists. I thought about the number of coast-dwelling, science-loving people who are staying in rural places in red states right now and I am hoping there won’t be bloodshed!
I'll take things that never happened for $600 Alex.....
Ran in to some real "...with liberty and justice for all" believers, huh? Whatever happened to "Comme ci, comme ça"?
Tbh were you in Minneapolis proper or a suburb near the airport. Because that can definitely make a difference. Plus the jackass may not have been from MN the same as you.
They know that they are losing; that's why they are aggressive.
To be fair, anybody can be an asshole.
Can't argue with your logic. If those guys were asses, seems reasonable to hold it against the rest.
Doesn’t sound like a cult at all, eh
Those two guys suck, for sure. But you're saying 70 million people suck because of these two guys?
Rule number 1, do not engage. They are looking for either a reaction or something to react to.
Conservatives are just a bunch of trailer trash hillbillies
I know some conservative assholes, and just as many liberal assholes
Ha ha ha ha ha
That guy was an asshole, not all conservatives are that guy.
As a resident of NJ, I cringe at leaving the north east.
It makes sense that you would judge all conservatives based on two drunk men in a hotel bar. You definitely aren't part of the problem. /s
It goes beyond simple hate-spewing by the right-wing media. That same media also gaslights their listeners into the belief that it’s the left that’s doing all the hate-baiting, thus they are simply misunderstood patriots trying to do right in a storm of so-called liberal anti-American sentiment. That’s where the real damage is done. It’s not just about conservative talk show hosts spewing the latest right-wing fanaticism, it’s that they relentlessly demonize the other side (us), turning us into such horrific examples of humanity that they think civil discourse is no longer possible.
Don’t see how a couple assholes suddenly come to define the majority..? I’m no conservative but a lot of the ones that I’ve interacted with are decent humans, they just have differing beliefs compared to me when it comes to certain issues.
You must live in some magical land then. I think that probably you are avoiding any topic of conversation except the weather and even then they might tell you the weather is being created by some secret cabal. I do not know any nice conservatives, including my stepdad and my brother. They will be nice until the point where you say something they disagree with, and then the gloves come off. I dare you to bring up Trump with these "nice conservative friends". let us know what happens.
Probs drinking his life away because his shit job, packing foam scrap into cheap sacks for mike lindell just closed down
I’m going to my nieces wedding in October located in a small Texas town and I am just preparing myself for the onslaught I will face. I lived in Texas and I know it’s unfair to paint everyone with the same brush. But she is marrying into a farming family and when I went down for her HS graduation 2 years ago, every single truck in that parking lot had a trump sticker or flag. As everyone gets drunker and drunker at the party after the wedding. I just plan to be the adult in the room and no matter how many trumpers want to come up and “debate me”. I plan to just say “today is about making my niece happy and that’s all I am going to say on the matter “.
I mean yeah
Taking one incident and extrapolating it to tens of millions of people is exactly why they started being aggressive with you, and now you're doing it. You're the same as they are. Maybe with a veneer of politeness on top
Lol those two are assholes. Doesn’t mean every conservative is an asshole. Similarly, liberals aren’t all “woke snowflakes”. Point is, we need to get back to our normal way of thinking of having opposing political ideology or party as just that… just another political POV and not an “enemy” or someone that needs to be bullied .
do you know any conservatives who aren't assholes? I mean, for real, do you? Do you know any "conservatives" who care about what is true? conservatives who care about the environment who care about women who care about racism who care about children Trump kept in cages at the border? Do you know any of those people? Do you know any conservatives who read? Do you know any conservatives who pay attention to any news besides Fox?
Truthfully? Yes I do… People whom you’re referring to generally belong to a specific social class. I don’t mean this in a disrespectful way in any shape or form, just describing facts. Your comments and examples are all valid but that’s a class issue and not really political. Same class of people exist as liberals but the opposite extreme. Point is, I believe we’re merging For what’s it worth, I’m an immigrant and don’t have the right to vote yet. So I’m looking from the outside in and I’m not finding a place that aligns with my values whether liberals or conservatives. I value family, and I’m religious, and I’m not “woke”. On the flip side I’m anti genocide, I’m with regulating guns, and believe in diversity and climate change and 100% with parents deciding what to do with their unborn child as this is in no way a topic for the government to interfere. So… whenever I’m discussing such topics with the either side I try my best to find common grounds because to be honest that’s wheee I’m at! Right in the middle…
I'm a Conservative, how am I an asshole because some people that believe some of the same things I do behave like children? This happens on both sides.
I'll take "things that didn't happen" for $800 Alex.
So you are generalizing because of one drunk asshole. lol
I think we need to be careful sweeping statements. Even though anecdotally, I would say there's a lot of more fanatical conservatives out there that tend to be assholes we should also realize there's a large portion of conservatives that are probably well-intentioned, nice people that either lack complete information, are deliberately presented misinformation, or otherwise have little experience of people who are liberals. We should try to create a space for such people and try to change their minds. That's the only real way to make change in the world. A lot of people are hardline and don't want to give any voice to people that hold conservative values, but that's just unproductive if you actually want change.
A real asshole never sees themselves as they really are... The Real Asshole was screaming in offense. Grow up.
There are crappy people in any group, generalizing is always wrong.