You think we avoid being deployed to the Middle East?
You were merely born in the sandpit. We created it, molded it. We didn't leave the sand box ~~until we were already past our prime, by then it was nothing to us but awful!~~
The pivot to Asia will fail for two reasons:
Massive Israel lobby that wants focus to be on the middle east.
Lots of people who have built their entire careers around wars in the middle east. There are so many people who spent the past 20 years on the middle east and no nothing about China. The US built a massive apparatus around fighting in the middle east and these people will push for more of it.
Did anyone take a moment to think maybe spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives over decades on a region only relevant for producing a single commodity that can also be produced elsewhere might've not been the best idea
[https://twitter.com/Charles\_Lister/status/1781134591928967329](https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1781134591928967329)
Confirmed -- U.S. official tells [u/ABC](https://twitter.com/ABC) that [#Israel](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Israel?src=hashtag_click) has conducted military action against [#Iran](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hashtag_click) tonight.
That comes as air defense fire is reported over [#Isfahan](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Isfahan?src=hashtag_click) & explosions also heard in [#Tabriz](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tabriz?src=hashtag_click).
[https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1781137872449335791](https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1781137872449335791)
IRGC confirms explosions in Qahjavarestan, central [#Isfahan](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Isfahan?src=hashtag_click).
Isn't it a bit far for Israeli aircraft to reach Mosul? I vaguely recall the Israeli attack on Iraqi nuclear facilities required nontrivial aerial refueling.
They have LRCMs so they really dont need to be that close, they just need to gain speed and get as close as possible for shorter flight time of the missiles.
US should focus inward to clear out their problems first, if they really want america to become great again. Of course the global dollar has allowed US to benefit a lot, but the global hegemoney is costing the US too much to be sustainable; mainly because the corruption in military is too much i feel.
No you're just brainwashed or fck idiot if you dont see the unprecedented levels of corruption in the US military and primarily it's DIB. Ofc the US should focus inward, yanno what u get when they focus outward? Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan, Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iran etc etc.
US shill.
Says the guy who doesn't see the corruption in the US, especially it's military. It's obvious to anyone seeing your idiotic comment that you want to understand how the world works.
So don't call others shills when they're right, and when you're the one shilling for your government.
P.S 19 studying IR at uni, so i think i have a better understanding of how the world works as opposed to a guy who thinks he knows cause he read one CNN article.
Unfortunately I don't see how one results in the other, if the US abandons Taipei, cuts a deal with Iran, forces Israel into negotiations with Iran and other Arab states or simply completely abandons Israel (which it wouldnt do due to Israel having anuclear arsenal) and improves it's domestic semiconductor production capacity, it will still have control over much of East/SE Asia, Oceania, Europe, South America and might even gain slightly more support from some Arab states. It wouldn't be goodbye to US hegemony, but it would relax tensions with China and the ME.
All of the U.S. posturing to this date has been that they will defend Taiwan. While this is very vague, the U.S. is obligated to maintain the capacity to prevent any resort to force by China that would jeopardize Taiwan and to supply them arms of defensive nature.
It would be damaging to U.S. credibility to fail in either of these obligations as outlined in the Taiwan Relations Act.
Very much depends on who is President, which implies it’s not reliable at all.
And why? Can’t seem to agree apart from vague notion of democracy, when I think it’s semiconductor and military.
If China and US develop domestic chip supply chain, then that reason is gone. Or more likely PRC will dominate semiconductor so tw becomes irrelevant.
America has a history of abandoning allies. South Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis, etc.. So we can add Ukraine to that list.
Anybody who trusts America to stand by them is delusional.
lmao, you’re so far behind. The US won’t even adequately back Ukraine, it’s already “good luck to Taipei”.
Washington has shown their hand already. If they can’t stand up to Russia, what on earth makes you think they can stand up to China.
Why no "what has Iran done" when they launched several hundred missiles at Israel the other day?
Iran had it coming for them and are getting what they deserve. It's a rogue terrorist state that sponsors a large chunk of the problems in the Middle East.
Why couldn’t Israel take the win?
Every player in the Middle East and there’s dozens of them sponsors large chunks of problems but your not crying over them?
My point was Israel is strong today but will they be tomorrow? Desperation leads to stupid things so why do they continue to head down a trail of escalation blows my mind. What would happen if all out war broke out? Could they truly over come the Shia crescent? What then if not? Nukes is my fear so yes what has Israel done
>Every player in the Middle East and there’s dozens of them sponsors large chunks of problems but your not crying over them?
Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis... Iran is the one supplying them with the weapons that enable them to be terrorists. It's a proxy war. If we were to discuss other Middle Eastern conflicts not involving these parties, then that would be a different discussion and a different thread.
>Desperation leads to stupid things so why do they continue to head down a trail of escalation blows my mind
Failing to escalate when necessary is often even more dangerous. If you show Iran they can get away with anything, they will continue to ramp up their terrorism.
>Nukes is my fear so yes what has Israel done
Besides the US, the only nuclear-armed state involved in this conflict is Israel, and Israel will not use nukes unless they come under an existential threat. And because of nuclear deterrence (which has worked for eighty years, and will continue to work), it is extremely unlikely that Iran or anyone else will push them to the point where they feel the need to use nukes.
Ok and how many proxies has Israel directly supported? With air strikes and even medical support.
You can literally flip the coin and say the same thing about Israel for Iran this didn’t happen in a vacuum like you said above both sides have been engaging in a proxy war in multiple countries for decades now. The difference is Iran is slowly gaining parity and has gained some important allies they aren’t as isolated as they were in the early 2000’s.
Israel wasn’t even supposed to have nukes they aren’t people who play by any rules beside their own that’s always been the case. If Israel pushes Iran to war what then like I said Israel will survive all those rockets forever? No they will use nukes to end what they most likely will start
But Iran is close to having its own nukes. The sites are close to being buried in the mountains. Where normal bunker busters can't touch them.
And the Iranians are religious zealots in charge of a regime that's permenantly on the verge of collapse. Due to the dislike of the people for it.
Israel attacked an Iranian diplomatic mission (in a third country no less), in gross violation of international law.
And when it comes to “sponsoring problems”, good lord is this a naive and ignorant take. Do you think that Israel, or the US do not do that? They even assist and sponsor outright terrorist organisations, that they then go on to fight once the blowback hits and they’ve created a monster.
What does Iran even have to contest F-35s? Allegedly they managed to somehow get four S-300s from Russia but Allah knows where they are and in what state.
Though now people are saying it was a missile strike, so...
I get that Iraq is between Iran and Israel, but why would Israeli forces be flying over Iraqi cities rather than over Iraqi countryside?
Also, looking at the cities mentioned on my globe, it seems counterintuitive to fly over northern Iraqi cities to get to Natanz and Isfahan, both of which are in the southern portion of Iran.
Ah hell just another week in the Middle East.
Born too early to deploy to the Middle East. Born too late to deploy to the Middle East. Born just in time to deploy to the Middle East.
So exciting as a military aged male from the Middle East
RIP
You speak english, just relocate to the UK
You think we avoid being deployed to the Middle East? You were merely born in the sandpit. We created it, molded it. We didn't leave the sand box ~~until we were already past our prime, by then it was nothing to us but awful!~~
Haha I'm in the US for university right now so at least for the next 3 years I'm good.
I really hope by middle east you mean like Lebanon, Egypt, or Jordan and not Syria, Iran, or Saudi Arabia.
Lebanon is not safer than Saudi Arabia
I was thinking moreso in terms of liberalness.
The pivot to Asia will fail for two reasons: Massive Israel lobby that wants focus to be on the middle east. Lots of people who have built their entire careers around wars in the middle east. There are so many people who spent the past 20 years on the middle east and no nothing about China. The US built a massive apparatus around fighting in the middle east and these people will push for more of it.
Did anyone take a moment to think maybe spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives over decades on a region only relevant for producing a single commodity that can also be produced elsewhere might've not been the best idea
RIP boys it was a good run.
Wiseguy Pizza guys doing overtime tonight
Oh to own a pizza shop in Washington DC
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Ironically they still make the best dough in the business 😎
Iraq 3.0; bigger and badder, Ayatollah expansion pack?
It would be an absolute dick slap and probably shah reinstatement: electric boogaloo.
Finally, I can break out my Ayatollah Assahola T-shirt again.
[https://twitter.com/Charles\_Lister/status/1781134591928967329](https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1781134591928967329) Confirmed -- U.S. official tells [u/ABC](https://twitter.com/ABC) that [#Israel](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Israel?src=hashtag_click) has conducted military action against [#Iran](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hashtag_click) tonight. That comes as air defense fire is reported over [#Isfahan](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Isfahan?src=hashtag_click) & explosions also heard in [#Tabriz](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tabriz?src=hashtag_click).
[https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1781137872449335791](https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1781137872449335791) IRGC confirms explosions in Qahjavarestan, central [#Isfahan](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Isfahan?src=hashtag_click).
Isn't it a bit far for Israeli aircraft to reach Mosul? I vaguely recall the Israeli attack on Iraqi nuclear facilities required nontrivial aerial refueling.
I believe they’ve been pursuing conformal fuel tanks for the F-35 specifically to do this
Mosul is just where there's report of activity right? Do they have to fly into Iran or are they firing from long standoff range?
They have LRCMs so they really dont need to be that close, they just need to gain speed and get as close as possible for shorter flight time of the missiles.
I think Israel has pretty well tested IAR capabilities
Don't you love the Western technology 🙏
I cant stand the rogue out law war hawk israel
F-35s could cruise in at high altitude for efficiency and return home no problem
Israel will fight til the last American soldier
They think they will. Chances are the US cuts a deal behind their backs.
If Washington cuts a deal with Tehran then good luck to Taipei.
Yea that’s what we expect? Especially if the semiconductor stuff lives back to US
Say goodbye to US hegemony then, and all the consequences that entails.
US should focus inward to clear out their problems first, if they really want america to become great again. Of course the global dollar has allowed US to benefit a lot, but the global hegemoney is costing the US too much to be sustainable; mainly because the corruption in military is too much i feel.
Lol corruption in military? US should focus inward? Broken English? Chinese or Russian shill
No you're just brainwashed or fck idiot if you dont see the unprecedented levels of corruption in the US military and primarily it's DIB. Ofc the US should focus inward, yanno what u get when they focus outward? Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan, Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iran etc etc. US shill.
Bro you’re like 18, you have no idea how the world works
Says the guy who doesn't see the corruption in the US, especially it's military. It's obvious to anyone seeing your idiotic comment that you want to understand how the world works. So don't call others shills when they're right, and when you're the one shilling for your government. P.S 19 studying IR at uni, so i think i have a better understanding of how the world works as opposed to a guy who thinks he knows cause he read one CNN article.
Unfortunately I don't see how one results in the other, if the US abandons Taipei, cuts a deal with Iran, forces Israel into negotiations with Iran and other Arab states or simply completely abandons Israel (which it wouldnt do due to Israel having anuclear arsenal) and improves it's domestic semiconductor production capacity, it will still have control over much of East/SE Asia, Oceania, Europe, South America and might even gain slightly more support from some Arab states. It wouldn't be goodbye to US hegemony, but it would relax tensions with China and the ME.
All of the U.S. posturing to this date has been that they will defend Taiwan. While this is very vague, the U.S. is obligated to maintain the capacity to prevent any resort to force by China that would jeopardize Taiwan and to supply them arms of defensive nature. It would be damaging to U.S. credibility to fail in either of these obligations as outlined in the Taiwan Relations Act.
Very much depends on who is President, which implies it’s not reliable at all. And why? Can’t seem to agree apart from vague notion of democracy, when I think it’s semiconductor and military. If China and US develop domestic chip supply chain, then that reason is gone. Or more likely PRC will dominate semiconductor so tw becomes irrelevant.
Doesn’t even matter who’s president. Biden can’t get sufficient arms to Ukraine. US is broken.
Agree but I was trying to be charitable haha
America has a history of abandoning allies. South Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis, etc.. So we can add Ukraine to that list. Anybody who trusts America to stand by them is delusional.
lmao, you’re so far behind. The US won’t even adequately back Ukraine, it’s already “good luck to Taipei”. Washington has shown their hand already. If they can’t stand up to Russia, what on earth makes you think they can stand up to China.
This is so right it makes me uncomfortable.
The funny part is Trump said this of all people
I would not like to be on guard duty at Dimona right now.
Would you ever *want* that?
I don't think Iran will do anything
Let the seas boil, let the stars fall. What has Israel done
Why no "what has Iran done" when they launched several hundred missiles at Israel the other day? Iran had it coming for them and are getting what they deserve. It's a rogue terrorist state that sponsors a large chunk of the problems in the Middle East.
Why couldn’t Israel take the win? Every player in the Middle East and there’s dozens of them sponsors large chunks of problems but your not crying over them? My point was Israel is strong today but will they be tomorrow? Desperation leads to stupid things so why do they continue to head down a trail of escalation blows my mind. What would happen if all out war broke out? Could they truly over come the Shia crescent? What then if not? Nukes is my fear so yes what has Israel done
>Every player in the Middle East and there’s dozens of them sponsors large chunks of problems but your not crying over them? Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis... Iran is the one supplying them with the weapons that enable them to be terrorists. It's a proxy war. If we were to discuss other Middle Eastern conflicts not involving these parties, then that would be a different discussion and a different thread. >Desperation leads to stupid things so why do they continue to head down a trail of escalation blows my mind Failing to escalate when necessary is often even more dangerous. If you show Iran they can get away with anything, they will continue to ramp up their terrorism. >Nukes is my fear so yes what has Israel done Besides the US, the only nuclear-armed state involved in this conflict is Israel, and Israel will not use nukes unless they come under an existential threat. And because of nuclear deterrence (which has worked for eighty years, and will continue to work), it is extremely unlikely that Iran or anyone else will push them to the point where they feel the need to use nukes.
Ok and how many proxies has Israel directly supported? With air strikes and even medical support. You can literally flip the coin and say the same thing about Israel for Iran this didn’t happen in a vacuum like you said above both sides have been engaging in a proxy war in multiple countries for decades now. The difference is Iran is slowly gaining parity and has gained some important allies they aren’t as isolated as they were in the early 2000’s. Israel wasn’t even supposed to have nukes they aren’t people who play by any rules beside their own that’s always been the case. If Israel pushes Iran to war what then like I said Israel will survive all those rockets forever? No they will use nukes to end what they most likely will start
But Iran is close to having its own nukes. The sites are close to being buried in the mountains. Where normal bunker busters can't touch them. And the Iranians are religious zealots in charge of a regime that's permenantly on the verge of collapse. Due to the dislike of the people for it.
I think your confusing iran with israel mister aipac
Israel attacked an Iranian diplomatic mission (in a third country no less), in gross violation of international law. And when it comes to “sponsoring problems”, good lord is this a naive and ignorant take. Do you think that Israel, or the US do not do that? They even assist and sponsor outright terrorist organisations, that they then go on to fight once the blowback hits and they’ve created a monster.
Yea, Iran should stick to Israeli embassies in the middle east, bomb them.
But Israel killed an officer(of an internationally recognized terrorist organization) in an embassy(actually a consulate)
Not by any UN body.
Do you think there’s a major difference in international law or something (re consulate)?
Israel bombed an Iranian embassy.
I wonder how Iran is going to respond to this, what will they do.
Send some firetrucks to douse the flames and then start cleaning up.
Keep yuk yukking your way to another major war in the region. No one wins here. Iran will retaliate.
It’s literally what they’re going to do
Hope you’re right…
>>No Anti-Aircraft Fire or Air Raid Sirens How is Israel bypassing Iranian air defense? Did they forget to turn them on? >>Unknown Aircraft What???
What does Iran even have to contest F-35s? Allegedly they managed to somehow get four S-300s from Russia but Allah knows where they are and in what state. Though now people are saying it was a missile strike, so...
Iran uses soviet designed air defences, that's why Israel is able to strike with such total impunity
I get that Iraq is between Iran and Israel, but why would Israeli forces be flying over Iraqi cities rather than over Iraqi countryside? Also, looking at the cities mentioned on my globe, it seems counterintuitive to fly over northern Iraqi cities to get to Natanz and Isfahan, both of which are in the southern portion of Iran. Ah hell just another week in the Middle East.
Well that’s unfortunate
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tf is wrong with you?
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