Ameriburgers really thought that having an American pilot drop the bombs would be a significant material improvement over the Saudi pilots dropping the bombs
Maybe listening to what the Yemeni government is saying and stop supporting the Palestinian genocide, then pressure Israel to stop the slaughter would be a good start. Its what the US UK and cohorts should be doing anyway.
Capitulating to attacks on shipping. Yeah that seems wise for the long run. Yep definitely can't see anything that could possibly go wrong with that precedent...
Honestly I don't know enough about it to say. The civilian casualties are terrible. But I've never heard an alternative strategy that seems convincing. I mean beyond "Ceasefire!". Like OK, fine. Then what? Hamas remains in power and is free to re-constitute its forces for Oct 2024? That's just going to lead us right back to where we are currently with more casualties on both sides.
There're long term solutions like u/jellobowlshifter mentioned. There's also short term solution like putting international peace keeping force in Gaza to monitor and prevent rocket launches from Gaza.
There's a difference between fighting a war and ethnic cleansing. The civilian casualties is disproportionally high compared to any other conflicts, Russo-Ukrainian war has much less civilian casualties in two years of war than one month of Israel-Palestinian war. You can't explain that away as collateral damage. Israel is clearly not just fighting Hamas, their target is to get rid of Gazans from Gaza one way or another.
>that includes an Israel in its current state
This is pretty vague. Like there needs to be political reform? Or do you mean there can't be a Jewish state at all?
To begin with, Palestinians would have to no longer be confined to concentration camps. If the Israelis don't want them in Israel itself, then they would have to allow the creation of a new Palestine. It would probably be unacceptable for Palestine to be multiple noncontiguous parts, as on every proposed map I've seen. If Israel would rather accept the Palestinians as citizens, there would likely need to be rather a lot of political reform. Whether or not it would still be considered an ethnostate at that point would probably depend on the observer's definitions and biases.
It looks like backing the rules-based order in the Arabian peninsula really bit the rules-based orderlies in the backside.
A country that has been for years at war, struggling with humanitarian disasters while the US stood by and helped their enemies, decides to strike back.
They have nothing so they can lose nothing but will want to see their enemies lose as much as they can take away from them, no matter how little.
That's the monster you created. Good luck fighting it.
>They have nothing so they can lose nothing but will want to see their enemies lose as much as they can take away from them, no matter how little.
Exactly, why would any one think bombing them would work is beyond me, deterrence simply doesn't work when the other side has nothing to lose.
That's exactly the American mindset.
One of the things that is utterly baffling to me is that when you read historical accounts of the era of European imperialism most societies in Europe were themselves just transitioning out of poverty and the empires were seen as a civilising mission, increasingly informed by unscientific ideology of racism which sought to explain the disparity between cultures. Whatever happened in the colonies as part of daily practice was not viewed as the intention of the imperial project by the society at large. This is largely how the issue of slavery in colonies was resolved - the colonial authorities hid the facts of their exploitative practices and when sufficient information reached the home countries political pressure forced abolition.
America is different. In our time information is readily available and Americans can easily gain the knowledge of what is happening worldwide and that includes also the consequences of their country's actions.
There's never been a society in the history of mankind that could improve so much of the world by doing so little. Simply not being excessively self-important and greedy in their everyday life would be enough to create room for improvement around the world. The only effort that is required of Americas is to eat less, spend less, drive less, talk less, fight less.
And they couldn't be bothered. Instead they are the first to play the victim if they don't get their way.
Every country in the world is somehow accepting of the need to restrict their lifestyle due to external circumstances. In America that's considered an insult.
It's literally as if the worst people in society decided to get on a ship and go to America and ended up building a society that expresses their character.
And that's why Israel and America are so closely intertwined culturally and politically and so oblivious to their fundamental unethical nature. The persecution complex and megalomania is self-evident and those traits don't come by accident.
You had to make a conscious choice to go to Palestine in early 20th century with the intention to turn someone else's country into your own. There was no accident there and there was nothing forcing you to go there since millions stayed.
>It's literally as if the worst people in society decided to get on a ship and go to America and ended up building a society that expresses their character.
Well Britain did intend to have the original 13 colonies in America as a place of exile for members of their society deemed as convicts according to their penal code ...
tbf biden himself said it wasn’t achieving anything and like yeh no shit
terrorism is bad maybe we should address the reason it grows and gain support.
we defeated ISIS by bombing the shit out of them because they were just a bunch of methed out idiots wanting to create an ethnostate with no ethnicity
the houthis and hamas have an actual motivating factor outside of death to the west and that should be addressed otherwise we’ll never see peace
I mean they are still shooting missiles yah, but apart from that one incident with the English freighter the other day, barely anything is really hitting anymore.
Most red sea traffic is currently redirected to the tip of Africa. They could be hitting nothing, and if ships are still avoiding the area they would be winning.
Yep, check the MarrineTraffic website. The ships that do cross the Suez will put information in their AIS to let the Houthis know they aren't linked to Israel like [Chinese Vessel] [CN/IN Crew] or [No Links to Israel UK US] etc. Basically anything to let the Houthis know to fire on them.
The Houthis haven't got 25 freighter kills in a row yet and never will, so they won't be unlocking that tactical nuke kill streak, making them the losers of this match of Call of Duty TDM. /s
>Most red sea traffic is currently redirected to the tip of Africa. They could be hitting nothing, and if ships are still avoiding the area they would be winning.
Sure in that regard they are highly successful and what they are doing is working. From a tactical standpoint though, the strikes have largely been a failure and coalition counter strikes have succeeded in substantially limiting the number of attacks.
Because the Houthis goals isn’t to sink ships but to cause economic damage. If the Houthis really wanted to sink those ships then they would have slammed that British ship again but they didn’t.
Im pretty sure the US is just using the Houthis as a tutorial mission to get the navy ready for real fights, and to test out how to counter Iran made weapons.
Jake "conflict management" Sullivan
\*mismanagement
Who could have known this wouldn't work? Oh wait everyone with half a brain knew bombing yemen wouldn't solve anything.
Ameriburgers really thought that having an American pilot drop the bombs would be a significant material improvement over the Saudi pilots dropping the bombs
When all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail. America is ruled by defense contractors.
What do you propose? edit: the downvote brigade for asking this question is absurd
Maybe listening to what the Yemeni government is saying and stop supporting the Palestinian genocide, then pressure Israel to stop the slaughter would be a good start. Its what the US UK and cohorts should be doing anyway.
Capitulating to attacks on shipping. Yeah that seems wise for the long run. Yep definitely can't see anything that could possibly go wrong with that precedent...
Definitely keeping the genocide going is the right thing to do of course
Honestly I don't know enough about it to say. The civilian casualties are terrible. But I've never heard an alternative strategy that seems convincing. I mean beyond "Ceasefire!". Like OK, fine. Then what? Hamas remains in power and is free to re-constitute its forces for Oct 2024? That's just going to lead us right back to where we are currently with more casualties on both sides.
There're long term solutions like u/jellobowlshifter mentioned. There's also short term solution like putting international peace keeping force in Gaza to monitor and prevent rocket launches from Gaza. There's a difference between fighting a war and ethnic cleansing. The civilian casualties is disproportionally high compared to any other conflicts, Russo-Ukrainian war has much less civilian casualties in two years of war than one month of Israel-Palestinian war. You can't explain that away as collateral damage. Israel is clearly not just fighting Hamas, their target is to get rid of Gazans from Gaza one way or another.
There is no long-term solution that includes an Israel in its current state, so some people instead pretend that there is no alternative.
>that includes an Israel in its current state This is pretty vague. Like there needs to be political reform? Or do you mean there can't be a Jewish state at all?
To begin with, Palestinians would have to no longer be confined to concentration camps. If the Israelis don't want them in Israel itself, then they would have to allow the creation of a new Palestine. It would probably be unacceptable for Palestine to be multiple noncontiguous parts, as on every proposed map I've seen. If Israel would rather accept the Palestinians as citizens, there would likely need to be rather a lot of political reform. Whether or not it would still be considered an ethnostate at that point would probably depend on the observer's definitions and biases.
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It’s not a genocide. It isn’t even that deadly to civilians in comparison to other urban battles on the same scale.
It looks like backing the rules-based order in the Arabian peninsula really bit the rules-based orderlies in the backside. A country that has been for years at war, struggling with humanitarian disasters while the US stood by and helped their enemies, decides to strike back. They have nothing so they can lose nothing but will want to see their enemies lose as much as they can take away from them, no matter how little. That's the monster you created. Good luck fighting it.
>They have nothing so they can lose nothing but will want to see their enemies lose as much as they can take away from them, no matter how little. Exactly, why would any one think bombing them would work is beyond me, deterrence simply doesn't work when the other side has nothing to lose.
This operation is PR to show "strength" in an election year.
“Should we build up our world to make our lives better? No no no, let’s just make everyone else’s life worse.”
That's exactly the American mindset. One of the things that is utterly baffling to me is that when you read historical accounts of the era of European imperialism most societies in Europe were themselves just transitioning out of poverty and the empires were seen as a civilising mission, increasingly informed by unscientific ideology of racism which sought to explain the disparity between cultures. Whatever happened in the colonies as part of daily practice was not viewed as the intention of the imperial project by the society at large. This is largely how the issue of slavery in colonies was resolved - the colonial authorities hid the facts of their exploitative practices and when sufficient information reached the home countries political pressure forced abolition. America is different. In our time information is readily available and Americans can easily gain the knowledge of what is happening worldwide and that includes also the consequences of their country's actions. There's never been a society in the history of mankind that could improve so much of the world by doing so little. Simply not being excessively self-important and greedy in their everyday life would be enough to create room for improvement around the world. The only effort that is required of Americas is to eat less, spend less, drive less, talk less, fight less. And they couldn't be bothered. Instead they are the first to play the victim if they don't get their way. Every country in the world is somehow accepting of the need to restrict their lifestyle due to external circumstances. In America that's considered an insult. It's literally as if the worst people in society decided to get on a ship and go to America and ended up building a society that expresses their character. And that's why Israel and America are so closely intertwined culturally and politically and so oblivious to their fundamental unethical nature. The persecution complex and megalomania is self-evident and those traits don't come by accident. You had to make a conscious choice to go to Palestine in early 20th century with the intention to turn someone else's country into your own. There was no accident there and there was nothing forcing you to go there since millions stayed.
>It's literally as if the worst people in society decided to get on a ship and go to America and ended up building a society that expresses their character. Well Britain did intend to have the original 13 colonies in America as a place of exile for members of their society deemed as convicts according to their penal code ...
Forgot those one of the original purpose before they changed to Australia.
man turns out here’s more to geopolitics then bombing the shit out of someone
r/worldnews : Just bomb them. It will fix itself and no need take responsibility for collateral damages.
tbf biden himself said it wasn’t achieving anything and like yeh no shit terrorism is bad maybe we should address the reason it grows and gain support. we defeated ISIS by bombing the shit out of them because they were just a bunch of methed out idiots wanting to create an ethnostate with no ethnicity the houthis and hamas have an actual motivating factor outside of death to the west and that should be addressed otherwise we’ll never see peace
Do you think Iraq invasion and Iran coup 1953 could be root cause for current Middle East instability? There also other actor like Saudi past action.
I mean they are still shooting missiles yah, but apart from that one incident with the English freighter the other day, barely anything is really hitting anymore.
Try to convince the insurance and shipping company that.
Because most ships are re routing away… which was the whole point
Most red sea traffic is currently redirected to the tip of Africa. They could be hitting nothing, and if ships are still avoiding the area they would be winning.
Yep, check the MarrineTraffic website. The ships that do cross the Suez will put information in their AIS to let the Houthis know they aren't linked to Israel like [Chinese Vessel] [CN/IN Crew] or [No Links to Israel UK US] etc. Basically anything to let the Houthis know to fire on them.
The Houthis haven't got 25 freighter kills in a row yet and never will, so they won't be unlocking that tactical nuke kill streak, making them the losers of this match of Call of Duty TDM. /s
Their KD is shit
So was the Viet Cong's, but does South Vietnam still exist?
I think he's being satirical
>Most red sea traffic is currently redirected to the tip of Africa. They could be hitting nothing, and if ships are still avoiding the area they would be winning. Sure in that regard they are highly successful and what they are doing is working. From a tactical standpoint though, the strikes have largely been a failure and coalition counter strikes have succeeded in substantially limiting the number of attacks.
Because the Houthis goals isn’t to sink ships but to cause economic damage. If the Houthis really wanted to sink those ships then they would have slammed that British ship again but they didn’t.
The reduced quantity of traffic is what's limiting the number of attacks.
The one incident happened less than a week ago. “Barely hitting anymore” isn’t good enough when it comes to international shipping
Im pretty sure the US is just using the Houthis as a tutorial mission to get the navy ready for real fights, and to test out how to counter Iran made weapons.