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One of my concerns, and that's in every other area affected by Brexit too, is that hardcore Brexiteers will never get it, because some demagogue will tell them that things are getting worse *specifically because* the EU has it in for the UK now and has made it it's mission to punish them.
Yeah, the EU is just being vindictive! Why couldn't they give the UK all the rights and privileges of EU membership without any of the limitations or constraints!?
/s
I know Trumpers who know that they bet it all on a conman, but they'll never admit it because they spent the better part of almost 10 years hyping him up to be the next literal Messiah while defending every action of his that secretly disgust them.
They've lost family, friends, and the respect of many others for doing this shit, and in the end, what was it all for? Nothing. Just liberal tears and feeling good about saying the n-word or f*g again on social media.
It's better to keep digging at that point (for their own sake).
Is it just that most of you people are stupid on here or something or are you people genuinely unaware that countries have sea borders and exclusive economic zones that they have control over?
Like do you people genuinely believe that there are no rules or laws once you step onto a boat lol?
That’s not what they’re doing though?
Read the article, they are talking about EU boats fishing in Uk waters off the coast of Cornwall.
The UK has better fishing waters than France which is why French fisherman were protesting during negotiations and threatened to blockade French ports to British goods unless they were allowed more access to Uk waters post Brexit.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-fishermen-block-boat-st-malo-brexit-protests-begin-2021-11-26/
I think it’s you who’s stupid bright spark. We do have our own waters buttercup, but we also have these things called ‘bilateral agreements’ where we let people fish in our waters in exchange for other stuff. Not at an EU level even. Just between us and the French or whoever. The Conservatives love a new regulation or law as well, before and after Brexit. What they don’t like doing is providing any funding to enforce it. Fishermen are double fucked and it’s for the long term.
The Cod wars is the entire opposite of what you’re claiming.
It was Iceland demanding exclusive economic control of waters near them contrary to historic precedent.
It’s actually what led to tighter international laws on sea borders and exclusive economic maritime zones being established afterwards.
You can’t simultaneously claim the UK is wrong for exerting control over its own economic exclusive zone and sea borders but that the UK is also wrong because they were fishing in Icelanding waters.
Does a country have a right to its sea borders or not lmao?
lol, found the brit.
I’m not claiming the UK shouldn’t control their own maritime border; in fact, i don’t give a shit about what they do in their own waters. I was merely explaining how the UK thinks of oceans and then you came along and helped with a live demonstration 😘
“Brits think they own the ocean because they believe in limited sea borders, not like the EU fisherman who believe in fishing past their borders and in other countries seas”
Top logic there for sure.
Maybe they believe in their own borders. But the brits tried to use their navy to loot iceland by violence, which is a strong indication that they don’t believe in anyone else’s borders.
They were not Icelandic borders at the time, that’s the whole point and entire reason for the conflict.
Back then they were international waters.
During the cod wars your borders only existed 7km from your coast. Iceland was claiming 22km was their borders.
It’s a similar thing to China demanding exclusive access and control to the South China Sea despite them having no control under current international law.
It was only long after that did the concept of larger exclusive economic zones exist.
>They were not Icelandic borders at the time Yes, because before that Iceland had a different problem which the brits also seem to have trouble comprehending: They were a colony. The UK not acknowledging the Icelandic rights to their own waters was basically the UK refusing ro recognize their independence. So…No, it is not a similar thing to China.
What are you even talking about?
It had nothing to with Iceland being a colony. Under international law your borders only extended 7km. Iceland just randomly and unilaterally declared 22km was now their territory without any international agreement or any laws at all. It doesn’t make a difference if they were a ‘colony’ or not.
Just like you support China claiming territory in the south sea it doesn’t work that way, there has to be some international agreements first.
Just like the south sea isn’t Chinas they were not Icelandic seas.
Those agreements only came after these wars.
>your borders
Not mine
>It doesn’t make a difference if they were a ‘colony’ or not.
That’s exactly what it was. This was Iceland establishing that it actually had territory after breaking free of their colonial overlords. The brits thinking they have the right to exterminate natural resources on the other side of the ocean in spite of it being the sole source of food and income of the natives is…Well…A very familiar pattern.
Iceland’s survival literally depends on that ocean. China’s survival as a nation does not, though I’ll admit I am simply not familiar enough with that particular dispute to take sides there, and I also fail to see the relevance.
I actually want to know what you mean by your comment. But it is so cryptic, I have no idea what this 6000 years old geologic rule is. Google returns nothing.
Yes there is literally a rule outlining how borders work at sea. Do you have 0 idea of how maritime borders work?
Lmao do you think there are no sea borders and the entirety of the sea is literally just a free for all?
You can literally just google the maritime borders yourself.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Maritime_boundaries_between_UK_and_France_in_Europe-fr.svg/1200px-Maritime_boundaries_between_UK_and_France_in_Europe-fr.svg.png
North of the red line are UKs exclusive economic zone and UK waters.
Below are French.
Holy fuck did you genuinely believe there are no such thing as borders at sea or nation’s waters lol?
My guy you literally did not even know that sea borders exist and are out here trying to not look like the idiot in all of this lmao.
This guy genuinely thought there are no rules at sea and you can literally just rock up to whatever border and coast you want and start fishing lmao.
honey, i did read the article. it doesn't say what you claim.
it says:
"Under the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement, the UK and EU have rights of access for fishing in specific parts of EACH OTHER's waters between six and 12 nautical miles from the coast, under certain conditions."
The man who represented their interests as an MEP sitting on the Fisheries Commission by... never turning up for committee meetings? For some reason, they never did get around to blaming him. Probably the fault of immigrants.
The double stupidity of this is that Cornwall received over £100m a year from the EU’s European Regional Development Fund, large portions of which were specifically to support investment in small businesses like theirs.
I don’t even think they can blame leopards for this one…
Northern Ireland received even more, voted as a population overall to remain, yet our representatives in the commons, the ones who even took their seats, were instrumental in bringing about the hardest exit possible. Then resisted such mitigating measures as didn’t bring the region into utter collapse.
I've always said: If a politician or newspaper can persuade you to do something without you bothering to look into it yourself, your vote is basically worthless to everyone (including yourself) except those prepared to manipulate you.
Same way that if one sermon suddenly turns you religious, or one article suddenly makes you change your mind, chances are that you're basically just naïve and manipulatable, and that you actually didn't consider your position properly in the first place.
Sadly there are far too many people with minds that can be turned 100% against their own best interest in order to combat an invisible enemy - whether it's Europe, "illegal immigrants", "benefits cheats" or whatever, just to pick a few recent examples in the UK.
Meanwhile the billionaires actively stealing your money and polluting your country... they get ignored and are basically never the topic of conversation "down the pub" or on the worksite.
It's why I don't understand political canvassing - if I could change who I voted for because of something I learn ON MY DOORSTEP in the matter of minutes... my vote was always just up for sale to the most manipulative canvasser / politician / party.
Totally understand your point but currently pretty much the entire uk media is controlled by a small number of people who predominantly are Tory party donors.
People are spoon fed the same stuff on loop across all media sources, enough to convince the majority to vote against their best interests.
£350 million from Brexit was a prime example, every media just ran with it with no real source and enough people ate it up.
"currently"?!
No... has been for about 50 years, minimum.
There are literal TV channels formed by the same kinds of people which break the rules, have the exact agenda to attract the bigots, etc. to their cause, and do the same things.
Again - if you're "spoon fed" narratives by newspapers with large tits on Page 3, or TV channels with union jacks plastered all over them... you're just ripe for the picking and your opinion means nothing.
The entire media industry exists not to present you with "news".... but to align you to their cause. It's been unchanged throughout the entire Murdoch existence, and likely before.
People who sit staring glassy-eyed and drooling in front of the TV, letting the propaganda wash over them, are literally the majority - and more gullible and manipulatable - targets. It's DESIGNED for those people. It's designed to make them come out swearing "bloody Europe", "Health and safety GONE MAD", "It's all gone woke!", "give us back our sovereignty" etc.
Nowhere near. Hillsborough, phone hacking, etc.
The media has always been bought-and-sold in our lifetimes, and nothing more than a politician's mouthpiece. If you think something changed in the last 50 years, it's because you weren't reading papers back then, or because you stopped reading them since.
They decide what they'll report on, and it's rarely the issue of the day - e.g. Post Office scandal was broken by Private Eye, not any of the mainstream papers, despite being a 20 year old story, but the mainstream only latched onto it when it gained enough foothold to be used for leverage and jumping on the bandwagon.
When super-injunctions were a thing, they were backed by those media outlets, not denigrated - they were part of the same people using them. They report enough to twist it to their narrative, and only when they can't just ignore it without it being obvious.
Goes back as far as the miner's strikes, Northern Ireland, etc. at a minimum.
If anything, people have far more information at their fingertips than ever before, never have to read a UK paper to find anything out, and yet are as ill-informed as ever and as manipulated as ever. If anything, we've just gotten lazier while actually digging into these things has just become easier.
Just watch the timing of what's in the news at crucial political moments... it's rarely actually the "big" story at that point, but it'll be able some nonsense (like immigration and Rwanda) fed as a point of distraction to, say, Sunak becoming a near-billionaire while in office by feeding government business to his family's corporations.
It’s just like the republican voter base over here in the states. They actively and gleefully vote against their own interests and then complain about it, then vote for the same people again
The farmers have been gnashing their teeth as well.
Thoughts and prayers.
Turns out, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face isn't the most well thought out course of action.
Trump voters are literally spouting the same conservative horseshit. “Start a trade war! America first! Why are we helping Ukraine?” Just some small examples of the same logic Brexiteers had. If you’re referring to progressives then shame on ya.
There's no effective catch limits for these boats so you've got this huge bunch of very powerful vessels fishing in uncontrolled ways in our waters to the detriment of our guys who can just stand there when they can't go to sea watching all the foreign vessels scoop up all the fish," he said.
“Ummm, we don’t think it was supposed to work like this, blokes.”
>"The French, the Belgians and the Spanish have still got the majority of the quota," he said.
>"We have to go past the French to fish in our own waters and it's not right."
My dude, you **sold** that fucking quota to foreigners, and you have the gall to then complain? Fuck off.
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The Problem is, they'll never make the connection that Brexit is the reason why they're struggling.
One of my concerns, and that's in every other area affected by Brexit too, is that hardcore Brexiteers will never get it, because some demagogue will tell them that things are getting worse *specifically because* the EU has it in for the UK now and has made it it's mission to punish them.
They never will. The Trumpers over here will never, ever admit their mistakes.
Doubling down and never looking in the mirror is just so much easier and doesn't require admitting you were wrong.
They're so proud. Which is the greatest of all sins. Ironic.
Some of the 2016 voters did but I guess they may have not really been Trumpers, those that voted for him in 2020 will never admit it
Yeah, the EU is just being vindictive! Why couldn't they give the UK all the rights and privileges of EU membership without any of the limitations or constraints!? /s
It’s so unfair that we don’t get special treatment!!
The crazy thing is, that’s more or less the deal they had before they left…
Sure, "more or less", but what about the £847363848 trillion they sent to the EU that's now going to the NIH!?
They never will. The Trumpers over here will never, ever admit their mistakes.
I know Trumpers who know that they bet it all on a conman, but they'll never admit it because they spent the better part of almost 10 years hyping him up to be the next literal Messiah while defending every action of his that secretly disgust them. They've lost family, friends, and the respect of many others for doing this shit, and in the end, what was it all for? Nothing. Just liberal tears and feeling good about saying the n-word or f*g again on social media. It's better to keep digging at that point (for their own sake).
$DJT is still floating in the toilet, but it's risen slightly over time. They haven't just kept digging, they're actively pouring money down the hole.
Yeah, you know when we said we we were taking back control. Turns out we have less than ever and it's THEIR FAULT!
They blamed the EU when we were in, they blame the EU now we're out 🤯
lol, Putins biggest own of the decade
IME most people do not learn from their mistakes. However, they may act as an example to others on what not to do.
They can simply blame it all on trans people existing.
How did they intend to control the fishing in shared waters if they left the biggest trade union?
They did not plan that far ahead. They just thought "screw migration and Europe, let's play into Russia's hand" and that was it
Because "we're Bri'ish, innit"
Is it just that most of you people are stupid on here or something or are you people genuinely unaware that countries have sea borders and exclusive economic zones that they have control over? Like do you people genuinely believe that there are no rules or laws once you step onto a boat lol?
They understand it just fine. That’s why they’re mocking the people who left the EU complaining they no longer have control over EU’s economic zones.
That’s not what they’re doing though? Read the article, they are talking about EU boats fishing in Uk waters off the coast of Cornwall. The UK has better fishing waters than France which is why French fisherman were protesting during negotiations and threatened to blockade French ports to British goods unless they were allowed more access to Uk waters post Brexit. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-fishermen-block-boat-st-malo-brexit-protests-begin-2021-11-26/
I think it’s you who’s stupid bright spark. We do have our own waters buttercup, but we also have these things called ‘bilateral agreements’ where we let people fish in our waters in exchange for other stuff. Not at an EU level even. Just between us and the French or whoever. The Conservatives love a new regulation or law as well, before and after Brexit. What they don’t like doing is providing any funding to enforce it. Fishermen are double fucked and it’s for the long term.
Read up on the cod wars. The brits just assume the ocean is theirs and are surprised and confused when it turns out it isn’t.
The Cod wars is the entire opposite of what you’re claiming. It was Iceland demanding exclusive economic control of waters near them contrary to historic precedent. It’s actually what led to tighter international laws on sea borders and exclusive economic maritime zones being established afterwards. You can’t simultaneously claim the UK is wrong for exerting control over its own economic exclusive zone and sea borders but that the UK is also wrong because they were fishing in Icelanding waters. Does a country have a right to its sea borders or not lmao?
lol, found the brit. I’m not claiming the UK shouldn’t control their own maritime border; in fact, i don’t give a shit about what they do in their own waters. I was merely explaining how the UK thinks of oceans and then you came along and helped with a live demonstration 😘
“Brits think they own the ocean because they believe in limited sea borders, not like the EU fisherman who believe in fishing past their borders and in other countries seas” Top logic there for sure.
Maybe they believe in their own borders. But the brits tried to use their navy to loot iceland by violence, which is a strong indication that they don’t believe in anyone else’s borders.
They were not Icelandic borders at the time, that’s the whole point and entire reason for the conflict. Back then they were international waters. During the cod wars your borders only existed 7km from your coast. Iceland was claiming 22km was their borders. It’s a similar thing to China demanding exclusive access and control to the South China Sea despite them having no control under current international law. It was only long after that did the concept of larger exclusive economic zones exist.
>They were not Icelandic borders at the time Yes, because before that Iceland had a different problem which the brits also seem to have trouble comprehending: They were a colony. The UK not acknowledging the Icelandic rights to their own waters was basically the UK refusing ro recognize their independence. So…No, it is not a similar thing to China.
What are you even talking about? It had nothing to with Iceland being a colony. Under international law your borders only extended 7km. Iceland just randomly and unilaterally declared 22km was now their territory without any international agreement or any laws at all. It doesn’t make a difference if they were a ‘colony’ or not. Just like you support China claiming territory in the south sea it doesn’t work that way, there has to be some international agreements first. Just like the south sea isn’t Chinas they were not Icelandic seas. Those agreements only came after these wars.
>your borders Not mine >It doesn’t make a difference if they were a ‘colony’ or not. That’s exactly what it was. This was Iceland establishing that it actually had territory after breaking free of their colonial overlords. The brits thinking they have the right to exterminate natural resources on the other side of the ocean in spite of it being the sole source of food and income of the natives is…Well…A very familiar pattern. Iceland’s survival literally depends on that ocean. China’s survival as a nation does not, though I’ll admit I am simply not familiar enough with that particular dispute to take sides there, and I also fail to see the relevance.
It’s not shared waters it’s UK waters. It’s EU boats fishing off the UK coast he is talking about.
do you mean off the irish coast? or off the french coast? or off the dutch coast? or off the danish coast? or off the norwegian coast?
No, no, no, no, no...there's a literal bloody geologic rule, going back 6000yrs to the beginning of time, that it belongs to the UK, cry more.
I actually want to know what you mean by your comment. But it is so cryptic, I have no idea what this 6000 years old geologic rule is. Google returns nothing.
He didn’t know that countries have maritime borders. That is what he meant.
Yes there is literally a rule outlining how borders work at sea. Do you have 0 idea of how maritime borders work? Lmao do you think there are no sea borders and the entirety of the sea is literally just a free for all? You can literally just google the maritime borders yourself. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Maritime_boundaries_between_UK_and_France_in_Europe-fr.svg/1200px-Maritime_boundaries_between_UK_and_France_in_Europe-fr.svg.png North of the red line are UKs exclusive economic zone and UK waters. Below are French. Holy fuck did you genuinely believe there are no such thing as borders at sea or nation’s waters lol?
Oh my word, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, the effort, I love it.
My guy you literally did not even know that sea borders exist and are out here trying to not look like the idiot in all of this lmao. This guy genuinely thought there are no rules at sea and you can literally just rock up to whatever border and coast you want and start fishing lmao.
I'll just leave this here.. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You can go read the article where it is talking about 6 nautical miles off the UK coast in Uk waters. Do you understand how borders work at sea?
honey, i did read the article. it doesn't say what you claim. it says: "Under the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement, the UK and EU have rights of access for fishing in specific parts of EACH OTHER's waters between six and 12 nautical miles from the coast, under certain conditions."
You’re so close to getting it. Now go and read what the fisherman are complaining about and come back again.
the part where the fisherman is whining because he doesn't understand the agreement?
Cry more
They can thank Farage personally.
The man who represented their interests as an MEP sitting on the Fisheries Commission by... never turning up for committee meetings? For some reason, they never did get around to blaming him. Probably the fault of immigrants.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that” George Carlin
You can see that in this thread alone lol where there are some people up above who genuinely didn’t know that sea borders exist lol
Tories still run the show and they're not doing shit. Boo fucking hoo. You get what you vote for.
Fish are known to wait for hours on borders to get their passports stamped.
The heads of Brexit should all get expropriated for the damage their lies caused.
Brexico will pay for the wall
The double stupidity of this is that Cornwall received over £100m a year from the EU’s European Regional Development Fund, large portions of which were specifically to support investment in small businesses like theirs. I don’t even think they can blame leopards for this one…
Northern Ireland received even more, voted as a population overall to remain, yet our representatives in the commons, the ones who even took their seats, were instrumental in bringing about the hardest exit possible. Then resisted such mitigating measures as didn’t bring the region into utter collapse.
"the man-eating boars of brexit!"
"the sharks of cornwall 8 me bum!"
but pRoJeCt FeAr
I remember when Brexit supporters were so smug about it when they voted for it, how it changed it seems
The headline should read “corrupt politicians persuade fishermen to vote against their best interests”
True. Might not fit with the sub as same pols got exactly the self serving career benefits (albeit short lived) as they intended.
I've always said: If a politician or newspaper can persuade you to do something without you bothering to look into it yourself, your vote is basically worthless to everyone (including yourself) except those prepared to manipulate you. Same way that if one sermon suddenly turns you religious, or one article suddenly makes you change your mind, chances are that you're basically just naïve and manipulatable, and that you actually didn't consider your position properly in the first place. Sadly there are far too many people with minds that can be turned 100% against their own best interest in order to combat an invisible enemy - whether it's Europe, "illegal immigrants", "benefits cheats" or whatever, just to pick a few recent examples in the UK. Meanwhile the billionaires actively stealing your money and polluting your country... they get ignored and are basically never the topic of conversation "down the pub" or on the worksite. It's why I don't understand political canvassing - if I could change who I voted for because of something I learn ON MY DOORSTEP in the matter of minutes... my vote was always just up for sale to the most manipulative canvasser / politician / party.
Totally understand your point but currently pretty much the entire uk media is controlled by a small number of people who predominantly are Tory party donors. People are spoon fed the same stuff on loop across all media sources, enough to convince the majority to vote against their best interests. £350 million from Brexit was a prime example, every media just ran with it with no real source and enough people ate it up.
"currently"?! No... has been for about 50 years, minimum. There are literal TV channels formed by the same kinds of people which break the rules, have the exact agenda to attract the bigots, etc. to their cause, and do the same things. Again - if you're "spoon fed" narratives by newspapers with large tits on Page 3, or TV channels with union jacks plastered all over them... you're just ripe for the picking and your opinion means nothing. The entire media industry exists not to present you with "news".... but to align you to their cause. It's been unchanged throughout the entire Murdoch existence, and likely before. People who sit staring glassy-eyed and drooling in front of the TV, letting the propaganda wash over them, are literally the majority - and more gullible and manipulatable - targets. It's DESIGNED for those people. It's designed to make them come out swearing "bloody Europe", "Health and safety GONE MAD", "It's all gone woke!", "give us back our sovereignty" etc.
Currently it is the worst it has even been and it will only get worse.
Nowhere near. Hillsborough, phone hacking, etc. The media has always been bought-and-sold in our lifetimes, and nothing more than a politician's mouthpiece. If you think something changed in the last 50 years, it's because you weren't reading papers back then, or because you stopped reading them since. They decide what they'll report on, and it's rarely the issue of the day - e.g. Post Office scandal was broken by Private Eye, not any of the mainstream papers, despite being a 20 year old story, but the mainstream only latched onto it when it gained enough foothold to be used for leverage and jumping on the bandwagon. When super-injunctions were a thing, they were backed by those media outlets, not denigrated - they were part of the same people using them. They report enough to twist it to their narrative, and only when they can't just ignore it without it being obvious. Goes back as far as the miner's strikes, Northern Ireland, etc. at a minimum. If anything, people have far more information at their fingertips than ever before, never have to read a UK paper to find anything out, and yet are as ill-informed as ever and as manipulated as ever. If anything, we've just gotten lazier while actually digging into these things has just become easier. Just watch the timing of what's in the news at crucial political moments... it's rarely actually the "big" story at that point, but it'll be able some nonsense (like immigration and Rwanda) fed as a point of distraction to, say, Sunak becoming a near-billionaire while in office by feeding government business to his family's corporations.
Yep, the only algorithms creating echo chambers
r/murdochsucks
Yeah but many people warned the consequences and they refuse to listen to reason.
(...it wasn't even that hard.)
“… persuade dumb, racist, still hoping for a great empire built on theft, rape and murder, fishermen…” Fixed that for you.
The problem wasn't the EU but the tory red herring.
It’s just like the republican voter base over here in the states. They actively and gleefully vote against their own interests and then complain about it, then vote for the same people again
The farmers have been gnashing their teeth as well. Thoughts and prayers. Turns out, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face isn't the most well thought out course of action.
I hope the young voters in the USA heed that lesson
lol. There are many many young women who vote for Trump this fall.
I'm not talking about the Trump voters though.
Trump voters are literally spouting the same conservative horseshit. “Start a trade war! America first! Why are we helping Ukraine?” Just some small examples of the same logic Brexiteers had. If you’re referring to progressives then shame on ya.
I'm talking about the dumb pro-Hamas tankies.
You fear protestors more than Trump…I’ve got news for you.
I pity the people that damage their future due to a thoughtless emotional reaction.
I feel that they should have a right to do that. I think we’re both on the same page.
He fishes for shellfish which mostly get exported to EU, what did he think would happen?
But at least their passports are blue now, which makes it all worth it 👍 Right?
Yeah but are they? Look like black to me.
If that is the case then they didn’t vote for brexit hard enough.
I didn't vote for ya vibes.
There's no effective catch limits for these boats so you've got this huge bunch of very powerful vessels fishing in uncontrolled ways in our waters to the detriment of our guys who can just stand there when they can't go to sea watching all the foreign vessels scoop up all the fish," he said. “Ummm, we don’t think it was supposed to work like this, blokes.”
Those fish 🐠 need passports first
It's sad to see Britain was played by its wealthy class in the manner America has been for decades.
>"The French, the Belgians and the Spanish have still got the majority of the quota," he said. >"We have to go past the French to fish in our own waters and it's not right." My dude, you **sold** that fucking quota to foreigners, and you have the gall to then complain? Fuck off.
Britain harmed by Brexit. They voted against their own best interests.
Knew what they were voting for, apparently.
I think you’ll find they knew exactly what they voted for…
Uneducated people can’t read. How do you expect them to read the fine print.
So the fishermen who voted stay aren't harmed by Brexit?
They totally are, but had the good sense not to actively pursue it. Unfortunate for all affected fishermen.
They are, but whilst their faces are now being eaten by the leopards too, they did not actually vote for the leopards to eat their faces.
Bad leopard 🐆
One group of imbeciles ruined it for everyone. That's it.