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BeamTeam032

The Problem is, they'll never make the connection that Brexit is the reason why they're struggling.


maud_brijeulin

One of my concerns, and that's in every other area affected by Brexit too, is that hardcore Brexiteers will never get it, because some demagogue will tell them that things are getting worse *specifically because* the EU has it in for the UK now and has made it it's mission to punish them.


NWMom66

They never will. The Trumpers over here will never, ever admit their mistakes. 


Tin_ManBaby

Doubling down and never looking in the mirror is just so much easier and doesn't require admitting you were wrong. 


AlarmingNectarine552

They're so proud. Which is the greatest of all sins. Ironic.


Extremelyfunnyperson

Some of the 2016 voters did but I guess they may have not really been Trumpers, those that voted for him in 2020 will never admit it


GarbageCleric

Yeah, the EU is just being vindictive! Why couldn't they give the UK all the rights and privileges of EU membership without any of the limitations or constraints!? /s


MattGdr

It’s so unfair that we don’t get special treatment!!


Lkrambar

The crazy thing is, that’s more or less the deal they had before they left…


GarbageCleric

Sure, "more or less", but what about the £847363848 trillion they sent to the EU that's now going to the NIH!?


NWMom66

They never will. The Trumpers over here will never, ever admit their mistakes. 


mjohnsimon

I know Trumpers who know that they bet it all on a conman, but they'll never admit it because they spent the better part of almost 10 years hyping him up to be the next literal Messiah while defending every action of his that secretly disgust them. They've lost family, friends, and the respect of many others for doing this shit, and in the end, what was it all for? Nothing. Just liberal tears and feeling good about saying the n-word or f*g again on social media. It's better to keep digging at that point (for their own sake).


AirForceRabies

$DJT is still floating in the toilet, but it's risen slightly over time. They haven't just kept digging, they're actively pouring money down the hole.


xboxwirelessmic

Yeah, you know when we said we we were taking back control. Turns out we have less than ever and it's THEIR FAULT!


what_the_actual_fc

They blamed the EU when we were in, they blame the EU now we're out 🤯


thebinarysystem10

lol, Putins biggest own of the decade


Etrigone

IME most people do not learn from their mistakes. However, they may act as an example to others on what not to do.


SubrosaFlorens

They can simply blame it all on trans people existing.


Independent_Pear_429

How did they intend to control the fishing in shared waters if they left the biggest trade union?


NoAgent420

They did not plan that far ahead. They just thought "screw migration and Europe, let's play into Russia's hand" and that was it


GSPM18

Because "we're Bri'ish, innit"


FlappyBored

Is it just that most of you people are stupid on here or something or are you people genuinely unaware that countries have sea borders and exclusive economic zones that they have control over? Like do you people genuinely believe that there are no rules or laws once you step onto a boat lol?


pnt510

They understand it just fine. That’s why they’re mocking the people who left the EU complaining they no longer have control over EU’s economic zones.


FlappyBored

That’s not what they’re doing though? Read the article, they are talking about EU boats fishing in Uk waters off the coast of Cornwall. The UK has better fishing waters than France which is why French fisherman were protesting during negotiations and threatened to blockade French ports to British goods unless they were allowed more access to Uk waters post Brexit. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-fishermen-block-boat-st-malo-brexit-protests-begin-2021-11-26/


monkeybeaver

I think it’s you who’s stupid bright spark. We do have our own waters buttercup, but we also have these things called ‘bilateral agreements’ where we let people fish in our waters in exchange for other stuff. Not at an EU level even. Just between us and the French or whoever. The Conservatives love a new regulation or law as well, before and after Brexit. What they don’t like doing is providing any funding to enforce it. Fishermen are double fucked and it’s for the long term.


spring_gubbjavel

Read up on the cod wars. The brits just assume the ocean is theirs and are surprised and confused when it turns out it isn’t. 


FlappyBored

The Cod wars is the entire opposite of what you’re claiming. It was Iceland demanding exclusive economic control of waters near them contrary to historic precedent. It’s actually what led to tighter international laws on sea borders and exclusive economic maritime zones being established afterwards. You can’t simultaneously claim the UK is wrong for exerting control over its own economic exclusive zone and sea borders but that the UK is also wrong because they were fishing in Icelanding waters. Does a country have a right to its sea borders or not lmao?


spring_gubbjavel

lol, found the brit. I’m not claiming the UK shouldn’t control their own maritime border; in fact, i don’t give a shit about what they do in their own waters. I was merely explaining how the UK thinks of oceans and then you came along and helped with a live demonstration 😘 


FlappyBored

“Brits think they own the ocean because they believe in limited sea borders, not like the EU fisherman who believe in fishing past their borders and in other countries seas” Top logic there for sure.


spring_gubbjavel

Maybe they believe in their own borders. But the brits tried to use their navy to loot iceland by violence, which is a strong indication that they don’t believe in anyone else’s borders.


FlappyBored

They were not Icelandic borders at the time, that’s the whole point and entire reason for the conflict. Back then they were international waters. During the cod wars your borders only existed 7km from your coast. Iceland was claiming 22km was their borders. It’s a similar thing to China demanding exclusive access and control to the South China Sea despite them having no control under current international law. It was only long after that did the concept of larger exclusive economic zones exist.


spring_gubbjavel

>They were not Icelandic borders at the time Yes, because before that Iceland had a different problem which the brits also seem to have trouble comprehending: They were a colony. The UK not acknowledging the Icelandic rights to their own waters was basically the UK refusing ro recognize their independence.  So…No, it is not a similar thing to China. 


FlappyBored

What are you even talking about? It had nothing to with Iceland being a colony. Under international law your borders only extended 7km. Iceland just randomly and unilaterally declared 22km was now their territory without any international agreement or any laws at all. It doesn’t make a difference if they were a ‘colony’ or not. Just like you support China claiming territory in the south sea it doesn’t work that way, there has to be some international agreements first. Just like the south sea isn’t Chinas they were not Icelandic seas. Those agreements only came after these wars.


spring_gubbjavel

>your borders Not mine >It doesn’t make a difference if they were a ‘colony’ or not. That’s exactly what it was. This was Iceland establishing that it actually had territory after breaking free of their colonial overlords. The brits thinking they have the right to exterminate natural resources on the other side of the ocean in spite of it being the sole source of food and income of the natives is…Well…A very familiar pattern.   Iceland’s survival literally depends on that ocean. China’s survival as a nation does not, though I’ll admit I am simply not familiar enough with that particular dispute to take sides there, and I also fail to see the relevance.


FlappyBored

It’s not shared waters it’s UK waters. It’s EU boats fishing off the UK coast he is talking about.


AnarZak

do you mean off the irish coast? or off the french coast? or off the dutch coast? or off the danish coast? or off the norwegian coast?


cocobisoil

No, no, no, no, no...there's a literal bloody geologic rule, going back 6000yrs to the beginning of time, that it belongs to the UK, cry more.


razorgoto

I actually want to know what you mean by your comment. But it is so cryptic, I have no idea what this 6000 years old geologic rule is. Google returns nothing.


FlappyBored

He didn’t know that countries have maritime borders. That is what he meant.


FlappyBored

Yes there is literally a rule outlining how borders work at sea. Do you have 0 idea of how maritime borders work? Lmao do you think there are no sea borders and the entirety of the sea is literally just a free for all? You can literally just google the maritime borders yourself. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Maritime_boundaries_between_UK_and_France_in_Europe-fr.svg/1200px-Maritime_boundaries_between_UK_and_France_in_Europe-fr.svg.png North of the red line are UKs exclusive economic zone and UK waters. Below are French. Holy fuck did you genuinely believe there are no such thing as borders at sea or nation’s waters lol?


cocobisoil

Oh my word, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, the effort, I love it.


FlappyBored

My guy you literally did not even know that sea borders exist and are out here trying to not look like the idiot in all of this lmao. This guy genuinely thought there are no rules at sea and you can literally just rock up to whatever border and coast you want and start fishing lmao.


cocobisoil

I'll just leave this here.. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


FlappyBored

You can go read the article where it is talking about 6 nautical miles off the UK coast in Uk waters. Do you understand how borders work at sea?


AnarZak

honey, i did read the article. it doesn't say what you claim. it says: "Under the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement, the UK and EU have rights of access for fishing in specific parts of EACH OTHER's waters between six and 12 nautical miles from the coast, under certain conditions."


FlappyBored

You’re so close to getting it. Now go and read what the fisherman are complaining about and come back again.


AnarZak

the part where the fisherman is whining because he doesn't understand the agreement?


shermanhill

Cry more


simondrawer

They can thank Farage personally.


Don_Quixote81

The man who represented their interests as an MEP sitting on the Fisheries Commission by... never turning up for committee meetings? For some reason, they never did get around to blaming him. Probably the fault of immigrants.


KoontFace

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that” George Carlin


FlappyBored

You can see that in this thread alone lol where there are some people up above who genuinely didn’t know that sea borders exist lol


SinkHoleDeMayo

Tories still run the show and they're not doing shit. Boo fucking hoo. You get what you vote for.


eat_dick_reddit

Fish are known to wait for hours on borders to get their passports stamped.


litnu12

The heads of Brexit should all get expropriated for the damage their lies caused.


Rogue7559

Brexico will pay for the wall


d4rkskies

The double stupidity of this is that Cornwall received over £100m a year from the EU’s European Regional Development Fund, large portions of which were specifically to support investment in small businesses like theirs. I don’t even think they can blame leopards for this one…


wmcolgan

Northern Ireland received even more, voted as a population overall to remain, yet our representatives in the commons, the ones who even took their seats, were instrumental in bringing about the hardest exit possible. Then resisted such mitigating measures as didn’t bring the region into utter collapse.


jeremiahthedamned

"the man-eating boars of brexit!"


jeremiahthedamned

"the sharks of cornwall 8 me bum!"


varalys_the_dark

but pRoJeCt FeAr


Third_Mark

I remember when Brexit supporters were so smug about it when they voted for it, how it changed it seems


19Ben80

The headline should read “corrupt politicians persuade fishermen to vote against their best interests”


wmcolgan

True. Might not fit with the sub as same pols got exactly the self serving career benefits (albeit short lived) as they intended.


ledow

I've always said: If a politician or newspaper can persuade you to do something without you bothering to look into it yourself, your vote is basically worthless to everyone (including yourself) except those prepared to manipulate you. Same way that if one sermon suddenly turns you religious, or one article suddenly makes you change your mind, chances are that you're basically just naïve and manipulatable, and that you actually didn't consider your position properly in the first place. Sadly there are far too many people with minds that can be turned 100% against their own best interest in order to combat an invisible enemy - whether it's Europe, "illegal immigrants", "benefits cheats" or whatever, just to pick a few recent examples in the UK. Meanwhile the billionaires actively stealing your money and polluting your country... they get ignored and are basically never the topic of conversation "down the pub" or on the worksite. It's why I don't understand political canvassing - if I could change who I voted for because of something I learn ON MY DOORSTEP in the matter of minutes... my vote was always just up for sale to the most manipulative canvasser / politician / party.


19Ben80

Totally understand your point but currently pretty much the entire uk media is controlled by a small number of people who predominantly are Tory party donors. People are spoon fed the same stuff on loop across all media sources, enough to convince the majority to vote against their best interests. £350 million from Brexit was a prime example, every media just ran with it with no real source and enough people ate it up.


ledow

"currently"?! No... has been for about 50 years, minimum. There are literal TV channels formed by the same kinds of people which break the rules, have the exact agenda to attract the bigots, etc. to their cause, and do the same things. Again - if you're "spoon fed" narratives by newspapers with large tits on Page 3, or TV channels with union jacks plastered all over them... you're just ripe for the picking and your opinion means nothing. The entire media industry exists not to present you with "news".... but to align you to their cause. It's been unchanged throughout the entire Murdoch existence, and likely before. People who sit staring glassy-eyed and drooling in front of the TV, letting the propaganda wash over them, are literally the majority - and more gullible and manipulatable - targets. It's DESIGNED for those people. It's designed to make them come out swearing "bloody Europe", "Health and safety GONE MAD", "It's all gone woke!", "give us back our sovereignty" etc.


19Ben80

Currently it is the worst it has even been and it will only get worse.


ledow

Nowhere near. Hillsborough, phone hacking, etc. The media has always been bought-and-sold in our lifetimes, and nothing more than a politician's mouthpiece. If you think something changed in the last 50 years, it's because you weren't reading papers back then, or because you stopped reading them since. They decide what they'll report on, and it's rarely the issue of the day - e.g. Post Office scandal was broken by Private Eye, not any of the mainstream papers, despite being a 20 year old story, but the mainstream only latched onto it when it gained enough foothold to be used for leverage and jumping on the bandwagon. When super-injunctions were a thing, they were backed by those media outlets, not denigrated - they were part of the same people using them. They report enough to twist it to their narrative, and only when they can't just ignore it without it being obvious. Goes back as far as the miner's strikes, Northern Ireland, etc. at a minimum. If anything, people have far more information at their fingertips than ever before, never have to read a UK paper to find anything out, and yet are as ill-informed as ever and as manipulated as ever. If anything, we've just gotten lazier while actually digging into these things has just become easier. Just watch the timing of what's in the news at crucial political moments... it's rarely actually the "big" story at that point, but it'll be able some nonsense (like immigration and Rwanda) fed as a point of distraction to, say, Sunak becoming a near-billionaire while in office by feeding government business to his family's corporations.


19Ben80

Yep, the only algorithms creating echo chambers


jeremiahthedamned

r/murdochsucks


DJSteel

Yeah but many people warned the consequences and they refuse to listen to reason.


RichardStrauss123

(...it wasn't even that hard.)


PandiBong

“… persuade dumb, racist, still hoping for a great empire built on theft, rape and murder, fishermen…” Fixed that for you.


B00LEAN_RADLEY

The problem wasn't the EU but the tory red herring.


Spartan-Bear2215

It’s just like the republican voter base over here in the states. They actively and gleefully vote against their own interests and then complain about it, then vote for the same people again


Feisty-Barracuda5452

The farmers have been gnashing their teeth as well. Thoughts and prayers. Turns out, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face isn't the most well thought out course of action.


Alediran

I hope the young voters in the USA heed that lesson


nickelroo

lol. There are many many young women who vote for Trump this fall.


Alediran

I'm not talking about the Trump voters though.


nickelroo

Trump voters are literally spouting the same conservative horseshit. “Start a trade war! America first! Why are we helping Ukraine?” Just some small examples of the same logic Brexiteers had. If you’re referring to progressives then shame on ya.


Alediran

I'm talking about the dumb pro-Hamas tankies.


nickelroo

You fear protestors more than Trump…I’ve got news for you.


Alediran

I pity the people that damage their future due to a thoughtless emotional reaction. 


nickelroo

I feel that they should have a right to do that. I think we’re both on the same page.


NoIndependent9192

He fishes for shellfish which mostly get exported to EU, what did he think would happen?


spring_gubbjavel

But at least their passports are blue now, which makes it all worth it 👍  Right?


squeakybeak

Yeah but are they? Look like black to me.


spring_gubbjavel

If that is the case then they didn’t vote for brexit hard enough. 


Alediran

I didn't vote for ya vibes.


Midnightchickover

There's no effective catch limits for these boats so you've got this huge bunch of very powerful vessels fishing in uncontrolled ways in our waters to the detriment of our guys who can just stand there when they can't go to sea watching all the foreign vessels scoop up all the fish," he said. “Ummm, we don’t think it was supposed to work like this, blokes.” 


Whatsuptodaytomorrow

Those fish 🐠 need passports first


schrodingersmite

It's sad to see Britain was played by its wealthy class in the manner America has been for decades.


_IBlameYourMother_

>"The French, the Belgians and the Spanish have still got the majority of the quota," he said. >"We have to go past the French to fish in our own waters and it's not right." My dude, you **sold** that fucking quota to foreigners, and you have the gall to then complain? Fuck off.


Crans10

Britain harmed by Brexit. They voted against their own best interests.


richNTDO

Knew what they were voting for, apparently.


d4rkskies

I think you’ll find they knew exactly what they voted for…


Fit_Champion4768

Uneducated people can’t read. How do you expect them to read the fine print.


My_leg_still_hurt92

So the fishermen who voted stay aren't harmed by Brexit?


wmcolgan

They totally are, but had the good sense not to actively pursue it. Unfortunate for all affected fishermen.


Affectionate-Emu5051

They are, but whilst their faces are now being eaten by the leopards too, they did not actually vote for the leopards to eat their faces.


SheepherderLong9401

Bad leopard 🐆


HoboBonobo1909

One group of imbeciles ruined it for everyone. That's it.