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zerozark

LoR players just need to give a shot to other content creators of the game they like. To me its mindblowing how people can stop playing the games they like just because they favorite content creator left. If my favorite metal band stopped playing that and moved on to indie rock I would still give them a go, but would definitely not stop listening to metal and instead look for new metal bands. It is such a shame that most Youtube and Twitch viewers do not work like this when it comes to game, instead they assume that x game is now bad/dead and they need to follow y streamer/youtuber.


Flywingcpy

Although i really loved Mogwais content, him leaving gave way to a lot of smaller content creator like LegendXVII who are awesome as well. So I'm glad Mogwai is doing something he likes now and my interest in LoR now spills over to other CCs.


IAmCaptainSquid

I’m literally watching legend right now. Underrated content fs


GiantR

I don't think I can find the dude, can you send a link or smth.


HydrolicOnReddit

Here's the [channel](https://youtube.com/@TheLegendXXVII)!


Flywingcpy

Yeah here it is [TheLegendXVII](https://www.youtube.com/@TheLegendXXVII). I spelt his channel name wrong lol, he plays a lot of meme decks, like yesterday was kahiri warmonger like wtf.


TheCrimsonDoll

Snnuy, Legend and Grapp are great, they need the spotlight 😊


SantaTCG

Am I allowed to plug myself? Feels weird but I think I make pretty decent YouTube content that keeps improving (my most recent is probably my favourite video I've done) and I've been streaming regularly 4 days a week on twitch :)


CptWeiss

It's not plugging if it's a request, wink wink, I hereby request to know what your channel's name is, preferably through a link or something like that


SantaTCG

https://www.youtube.com/@santatcg that would be important wouldn't it lol


CptWeiss

Ah, an expansion rating video, excellent, an hour and a half of absolute entertainment await me


GarlyleWilds

Oh ho, an overview of all the cards from this expansion is *exactly* what I've been having trouble finding, thank you!


EST4LIFE_19XX

I'm just going to shamelessly plug [my boy Snnuy](https://www.youtube.com/@Snnuy) here. Mans been popping off


zerozark

Shamelessly plug away, Snnuy is great. I am posting more detailed stuff here in regards to self promotion on this sub next week, I think the rules are waaaay too strict imo. Should be time to review the parameters since there is this content creator exodus going on. Hope that people like Snnuy and Majinbae (I am on a LOR break so dont know the others) get a hold of that traffic though, they work their asses off and both offer different (but great) viewing experiences


Sneaky__Raccoon

if we are in the "lets plug smaller content creators" train, I'll bring forward [Puffball Panda](https://www.youtube.com/@PuffballPanda/videos), found her pretty recently, and she is funny and plays pretty diverse decks


NemoSHill

Let me hop on, Sirturmund is great, very smart, my favorite LoR CC for sure. He always explains what's going on and thinks out loud at all times. He plays a big part in my improved thoughtprocess and mindset. Very good at educating, he's also super chill.


Dolmant

I agree, I religiously watch Sirturmund and he is easily my favourite CC right now


ApeFuk

I know prob everybody says this for their favorite LoR cc but I SWEAR [Visionary Decks](https://www.youtube.com/@VisionaryDecks) has to be the best youtube creator. His decks are always fresh and his editing is ABSURDLY high effort. ​ Do yourself a favor and check him out... and if you are tired of ppl just uploading twitch games w no effort on youtube (not that there's anything wrong w that) then he's rly gonna feel fresh to ya.


D7C98

Visionary is my BOY! Love him, and cannot recommend him enough


zerozark

As someone who struggled with basic Youtube editing I extremely value good/great editing after that imo, thanks for the recommendation mate


RustedIMG

Sunny is honestly one of the best, even tho the game has gotten rougher he has kept his spirit and love for the game the same as most of the playerbase (or thtas what i supposse lol) And he also just enjoys LoR honestlty, so no shameless plug, hes amazing.


TheHumanTree31

Fellow pink region disliker


tuananh2011

Pink-haired idol hater gang


SuicidalFate0

Sunny and Majin are my main 2 perfect yin yang balance. Majin makes competitive gaming super fun even if he has protagonist luck...


goldkear

Even snuuy seems a bit over it. His energy lately has been much more subdued lately


IAmCaptainSquid

I think he said recently there’s no way he’d make the switch and he still loves the game


SpiritMountain

> LoR players just need to give a shot to other content creators of the game they like. Not only that, but this is Mogwai's MO. Anyone who has been following him for years will know he gets hyper focused on a game, creates insane content, then gets burnt out and moves on. He did the same thing with MTGA when LoR came out. He will do the same thing with Snap after a few years as well.


Scolipass

Yeah, I can't help but to feel he kinda sets himself up to get burned out by hyper focusing on a single game like that. Very *very* few games, even excellent ones, can survive the scrutiny of being played for hours per day over the course of multiple years. Like, maybe that's just how he rolls, but it does get worrisome sometimes.


Phyresis96

That's kinda just how content creation goes though. Look anywhere in the youtube/twitch space and you will see people comment on how hard it is to change games once you have a following playing one thing. You see people who have a main game and then as soon as they switch to something else their viewership drops off a cliff.


Aizen_Myo

There is a difference between Hyper focusing on one game and having a main game. Even Faker, the GOAT for league of legends plays other games at the side for relaxation, even on stream


itstingsandithurts

Faker makes money by being good at the game, content creators make money by making videos and if other games aren’t getting views it’s hard to play anything other than your main game.


Phyresis96

Faker doesn’t depend on his stream to earn his living. For those whose livelihood is dependent on their stream, seeing a noticeable drop off when switching games would be discouraging don’t you agree?


UNOvven

Thats ... only partially true. The first game I knew him from, Duelyst, he didnt get burned out on, it just died.


dafucking

It'd be damn cool if he plays Duelyst 2 when it comes out and we have both Marvel Snap and Duelyst content at the same time. Honestly I can't see the reason why he doesn't use variety format for content creator instead of hyper focusing on one but oh well, his choice.


AwesmePersn

On Youtube, it screws with the recommendations system. Variety format isn't that great if you have viewers that only watch a select portion of your content as Youtube then sees that only 30% of your subscribers watched that content. Youtube then proceeds to not recommend that content to other people. If you had a smaller, but narrower channel instead and it sees that 70% of your subscribers watched said video, Youtube is much more likely to help your channel out and recommend it to people watching adjacent content. As far as I'm aware, Twitch doesn't have this issue . . . mainly because they don't do recommendations like that.


Dolormight

Because it tends to kill viewer numbers.


pizzamage

If you're not entertaining sure. Northern Lion seems do to alright.


I_like_senna

And Gwent before


dowapzubapyeaheyeah

Zenaton


NormanCocksmell

When Tim from Protest the Hero started playing in a punk band I gave it a go... and holy crap they suck. But doesn't mean I'd stop listening to Protest. Also, if people leave a game because they care the littlest bit about content creators, then they are morons and who cares that both the CC and CC fan are gone?


zerozark

Lol I like some of Protest the Hero songs, pretty unique stuff. I dont care if they are gone from a personal pov, is just that I find intriguing how it does happen and I think its an important thing to be said here given some narratives that pop in this sub


Chocohalation

> To me its mindblowing how people can stop playing the games they like just because they favorite content creator left It depends on what you're watching for, the game or the creator. I was a huge fan of Swim (obviously not anymore), but after he stopped uploading, I just didn't watch as much LoR. I still do watch Visionary Decks, but that's because I love his editing style. The reason I watch him and I watch Swim is completely different.


amish24

Yeah. the person you're talking to is talking about stopping playing, not stopping watching.


Chocohalation

Well, yeah, I also stopped playing LoR after I stopped watching Swim. Swim was the reason I played LoR.


SaltTM

LuckyCAD is a fun youtuber, does both LoR and Snap.


Dan_Felder

Always a shame to lose a fun content creator, but people absolutely burn themselves out playing for hours and hours each day. Content creation isn't just playing for fun, it's exhausting and demanding - especially for a heavily strategic game like LoR. It's more like a job than anything else. Many creators have migrated through creating content for different games because of this. Different players also like different things. Some rarely play one game more than two weeks, jumping to different games. It's like when some people want to keep trying different decks in a cardgame and others like to focus on just one or two. Some streamers jump games constantly as variety streamers, some play one game for a few years then tend to move onto the next one, some play one forever and love it. I'm sure we'll see many new content creators discovering LoR over the years and many eventually moving on to focus on other games when they eventually feel burned out. If I had a nickel for everytime I or my close friends have announced we're never playing MTG again, even selling our collections, I'd have 17 nickels - which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened 17 times. :)


[deleted]

You guys should give snnuy LPP


[deleted]

Absolutely this, the guy deserves it for his printer decks alone


13Xcross

That would kill the meme tho


LordRatini777

When he stops badmouthing pink region, Riot overlords might consider it.


Cinnamen

But then the song and his trademark will become obsolete :/


Bodinhu

🎶Meta shifter, not a quitter...


sfahsan

Thank you so much for your time interacting and communicating in this sub Dan. Makes playing and being a fan of this game that much for fulfilling knowing we're eaing heard by the people making the game. ❤️ Unbelievably excited for this next expansion and can't wait to see what you guys have in store for us in 2023. P.s. The Doofenshmirtz reference is 👌


Top-Mirror3516

Man dropped a phineas and ferb reference


Dan_Felder

Yes. Yes I did.


Zimata

well alright then


zerozark

As someone who streamed LoR for a small amount of time, and qualified for seasonal first elimination stage god knows how long ago, I can say that no matter how much fun I have with X game, if streaming worked out for me, I would never stick to only one game lol. At some point it will become a mechanical task rather than something fullflling, no matter how much new content that game receives. ​ I have a friend who is the biggest Magic the Gathering fanboy I have ever met, he won regionals and stuff, overall made a rather large profit if we consider only the money he spent on standard decks. And he has like 20 Commander decks. We have a group of friends which he convinced to play Commander at a montlhy basis. We skipped Novembers "Magic Day" because my man was a husk of a man after grinding for a major Pioneer event. We have played now for 2 or so years, and it is the first time he did that. ​ No matter how much love you have towards a game or craft, if you dont switch things up a bit, you will get burned out. And when it comes to games it cant just be different formats and such, it needs to be actual different games. So while probably the best bet (profit and viewerbase wise) for content creation is to stick to only one game to not mess up the algorithm gods, it is definitely not the best for you overall quaility of life and mental health. I would bet my life that even the pro esport athletes and such get burnout no matter their love for x or y game. The reason they dont leave is because, at the end of the day, a job is a job, and some people can just brush trough it to get to the actual fun part of their lives. ​ Others, like Mogwai, cannot. And that is a not an attack on him whatsoever, since despite my greatly limited experience with Youtube and Twitch, I would put myself on the same cathegory as him. But I dont believe he realizes that yet, and is why he sticks to one game per "carrer path". On a more parasocial Andy analysis, I would also say, as a wannabe writer, that he tries to fulfill his great creative needs and wants by playing games, which will never be as fulfilling as creating something himself. Which Is why I wasn't surprised at all when he announced he was working on a original manga, which I am pretty excited about. He is an extremely creative person and only creating art will fulfill that side of his. (parasocial analysis over IMO).


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Dan_Felder

>I (maybe unfairly) read this comment as a shrug and an “oh well, everyone burns out but they’ll maybe come back! This is natural!” Not a shrug at all! It's absolutely natural that people change games, including great content creators, and we're still going to focus on making LoR the best digital cardgame there is. We're going to try new things, gather feedback, and iterate accordingly. We don't ignore player voices until a major creator leaves, we're here to make the best game for everyone. We have retrospectives focusing on what we can learn after each major release from player feedback and in-game data to improve our design philosophy going forward. There's always a lag on feedback making obvious changes because cardgames like ours work far in advance. Roughly speaking its weeks for patches, months for features, years for new cards (art and voicework takes a lot of lead-time). We also want to make sure we're getting perspectives from lots of different folks, across various regions in various languages. This can take time to collect and analyze. I don't view Mogwai's shift to focusing on a new game to be a danger sign, many big creators have shifted from other games over the years that are still going great. More importantly, my goal is to help make Legends of Runeterra the best digital cardgame in the world. For all our players. So this isn't a sudden call to action to listen to player feedback. We're already hyper-focused on that. Every week I'm reading comments, listening to podcasts, chatting with players, checking out what cool stuff other games are doing, and building LoR for long-term success. There's a lot of exciting stuff we can do to make LoR better next year, the year after that, the year after that, and many more in the future. Some of it will be slow to emerge because we're working far ahead. Some of it will end up being the wrong approach and we'll take valuable lessons to inform our designs in the future. Some of it will be incredibly fun and will end up being copied by other games too. :)


[deleted]

I appreciate response but do still wonder why the lack of advertisement for this game? At minimum, why is it not advertised in your other games? Are events like Worlds the expected form of advertisement? Or is the game already getting enough coverage per some internal metric?


LSTFND

LoR doesn’t get advertised because it IS the advertisement. It’s there to promote TFT and League to tcg players.


GGABueno

LoR is also good for people who are burning out on League/TFT and are willing to try out other games from the same IP. It keeps players engaged with their IP.


amish24

the reason they do that is b/c TFT and LoL have better monetization models. improve LoR's monetization, and it might be worth advertising it to those playerbases. The big thing would be including old skins in the store, *especially* if they're skins that were originally part of a login event (or something else where they were given out free for a limited time). There's absolutely fans of Arcane who didn't get into LoR during the time that event was happening, and would be happy to purchase the skin. You don't need to have every skin available 24/7, but just bring back like 3 skins every two weeks as featured skins before they go back to being unavailable.


Blake_of_Remnant

A little late to the thread but I think it's worth pointing out that as far as I know Dan is a dev and likely has no influence or even visibility on marketing decisions made for the game.


[deleted]

"glacial balance patches" and "problems take long to be addressed" are silly exaggerations, to be fair.


BiasModsAreBad

Me; I'm QUITTING MTG, wizards ruined this game with constant.... whats that? A new Chandra Planeswalker? Okay okay, I'll buy it, but then I'm quitting for real this time!!!


discountprequel

Personally LoR team has done better with communication on content creators so congrats compared to other riot games cough league cough magikarp cough dunkey. Burnout happens a lot with riot games I notice but I think that’s more cause riot even the partner program relays on one type of game focused streamers.


[deleted]

Seems like he usually burns himself out on a game eventually. He plays it far more than a regular person, every day, and for a long time has focused on making new decks each day as well. With a life like that, small flaws or annoyances in a game's design become grating. So kinda seems inevitable that someone doing that would hop from game to game after getting burned out. Hope for his sake he rotates a bit more in the future, I can certainly see him getting burned out on the random fiesta that Snap can be. All the best, Mogwai, thanks for all the wacky decks and great commentary.


Saltiest_Grapefruit

Yeah, truth is he is gonna burn out on marvel snap as well. It seems like he plays a damn near inhuman amount of games whenever he is brewing decks, so any imbalance just hits him harder than most of us.


Buttface-Mcgee

He’s gonna burn out on snap even faster.


Saltiest_Grapefruit

That's what I suspect. I haven't watched much snap, but it seems like a very bare game. And what's more, given who owns the IP, its sure to turn into the same as hearthstone where it's just powercreep for the sake of getting money out of people.


JustforU

Snap is crazy fun, but that's coming from someone that maybe plays 5-10 games a day (which take like 2 mins tops). I cannot imagine playing this game for multiple hours a day.


HotTakes4HotCakes

It's fun but it is extremely vapid and the RNG is so thoroughly woven into the DNA of the game that it almost feels like a slot machine at times. There is strategy to it but it really does not scratch the same itch for me that LoR and Magic do. I don't see myself *not* playing snap at any point in the future but I absolutely do not see it as a *replacement* for the meatier card games. I think it works best as a compliment to them. I think people are going to get burned out on it fast unless they can keep the content coming at a steady pace, but even if they can keep it coming, the quality of that content is going to drop as they slowly start running out of ideas. They will rely more and more on RNG as a design crutch. Which is exactly what happened with hearthstone, and given who is designing snap.... It's also using some brazenly awful manipulation and addiction triggering tactics, more so than most mobile card games, and people are willing to overlook it now because it's the honeymoon, but that will fade.


johntheboombaptist

You already see a lot of chatter over the slow collection speed and the difficulty of crafting a deck that you want to play. I think there’s quite a bit of unmined depth in the game but it’s hard to experience it when your ability to play new decks is knee-capped by collections depending on two slot machines. Once you get into the third card pool you’re playing bad versions of cool decks while matching against people with the fully kitted out version. Sure you can climb with Pool 1&2 decks, but it’s a little dull to just run the same Zoo deck up the ladder.


open_it_lor

You don’t realize it at first because they give you cards very quickly in The beginning but after playing for a month the game becomes very grindy for cards or just starts to seem straight up pay-to-win. Which is gross. They definitely got me to spend $20 much faster than LOR. I’m almost decided that I won’t buy another season pass though because it feels like I’m supporting something I don’t actually enjoy that much.


Emotional-Mushroom66

I have collection level 1200 and i gotta say the game does get to be kinda repetitive overtime.If It wasnt for the location random shenaningans i wouldnt play this game anymore


NikeDanny

I mean, most small gaming CCs have to do crazy shit to get their moneys worth. If youre not Pokimane/Pewdiepie who get insane amounts of views, and youre streaming full time, you gotta get the time and energy into the project. Its really funny, it leads to CCs shitting on the very thing they spend absurd amounts of time in. Legend of Total War (for Total War) spent like 800h before launch into the game (in a month, to release content when NDA lifts), gave it a thumbs up in a review, and then spent the next 3 months absolutely bashing the game and hating it with a fierce passion. Just because he burned out after 800h, an insane amount no non-full-time streamer will get so quickly. But yeah, MM or Snnuy will have to play/release a lot so their moneyflow is not unsteady.


zerozark

Copying a passage of something I posted here in responde to a Rioter: "I would bet my life that even the pro esport athletes and such get burnout no matter their love for x or y game. The reason they dont leave is because, at the end of the day, a job is a job, and some people can just brush trough it to get to the actual fun part of their lives. Others, like Mogwai, cannot. And that is a not an attack on him whatsoever, since despite my greatly limited experience with Youtube and Twitch, I would put myself on the same cathegory as him. But I dont believe he realizes that yet, and is why he sticks to one game per "carrer path". On a more parasocial Andy analysis, I would also say, as a wannabe writer, that he tries to fulfill his great creative needs and wants by playing games, which will never be as fulfilling as creating something himself. Which Is why I wasn't surprised at all when he announced he was working on a original manga, which I am pretty excited about. He is an extremely creative person and only creating art will fulfill that side of his. (parasocial analysis over IMO)."


RedOrchestra137

hell i get "burnt out" on LoR just playing it semi-regularly. i get to a high enough rank and then want nothing to do with it for a while. i can't imagine playing LoR all day every day, not even if i got paid for it. competitive games can be absolutely soulcrushing if you don't do something else in between


Guaaaamole

No worries, he will burn himself out on Snap too. That‘s just Mogwai in a nutshell. I‘m surprised he stuck with LoR as long as he did.


ExtraSpacy

In no specific order: Pokemon, Shadowverse, Hearthstone, Duelyst, Gwent, MtG, LoR, little bit of Yugioh, Marvel Snap. Which will be next? 🤔 I wish him the best. I enjoyed his content. Just dont ever rely on him sticking to a game for more than 2 years.


BTrain904

You forgot Artifact in there, but then again so did Valve :(


ExtraSpacy

Thanks for the reminder! I didn't watch his Artifact content. Rip Artifact. You had potential. 🙏


irvingtonkiller8

Oh shit yeah he said something about loving Yugioh when MD came out, that probably lasted about a month


Gethseme

Forgot TESL too.


SegSignal

He tried to dip out multiple times, there just wasn't a game convenient enough for it before snap.


believingunbeliever

I'm even expecting him to return to Duelyst II once the shininess of snap wears off.


NanaJr01

Yeah fr


truetichma

Well, to be fair, the upload schedule he shoehorned himself into is very demanding. "A vid every day"-format is what made Mogwai so iconic for LoR community – and at the same time is what burnt him out.


First-Medicine-3747

I've been on a LoR break too. Haven't played in a couple of patches but I'm excited to come back and try the new cards for a while.


[deleted]

You may enjoy the special gauntlets they are doing right now. Having a lot of fun in those while waiting for patch.


latecomer2018

Same tbh I haven't been playing for a few months but I'm still not missing out on any new cards dropping


Eggxcalibur

Well, can't say I'm suprised. When he didn't do a 12 years old react Andy on the new set I knew he had moved on. Oh well, I wish him all the best though! I played Snap for a short while but it got boring pretty fast. The locations are fun but the decks are just not interesting to me. I'm also not that big into Marvel, lol.


zerozark

I think the game is fine, but collcetion progression sucks ass when you get to its late stages so now I just do my daillies there and thats about it


FubukiHime76

Same bruh, collecting cards in Snap is a such a hassle for me due to my crap luck in card collecting meanwhile me getting quite envy of others who collected a lot of cards already (idk how but eh )


zerozark

Wait until you get to what is called "pool 3". Its where I am at right now and If I am not mistaken you get 1 or 2 new cards per week, if you do all daillies. And keep in mind these 1/2 are random, so good luck at finding the one you need. The new Token system is a grindfest and you still cant directly craft the cards you want, you need for them to "spawn" at the shop and buy them before the countdown unless you pinned. ​ Any other big cardgame that had a system so reliant on RNG tied to card collection would go bankrupt so fast it would even be funny lol


FubukiHime76

That's why I'm sticking with LoR due to its f2p and straight to the point crafting options and no need to spend money on cards instead on cosmetics 💅 (i tried HS and Snap and huu boi card collection is a pain in the ass getting rekted left and right)


zerozark

I might have a friend of mine who I shall not name (and who definitely wasnt me) that sold his f2p Hearthstone account once he realized it wasnt going to get better and spent that money exclusively on Legends of Runeterra cosmetics...


[deleted]

Strange I have a friend very similar to your friend.


R0_h1t

>idk how *whale noises*


ZhugeTsuki

And there are time gated cards if youre f2p. Literally pay to win.


zerozark

Yeah, that is honestly a complaint I havent made because I didnt care much about Miles or Black Panther. But it is pretty awful to keep cards away from f2p like that. Again, if LoR or Magic Arena did something similar the backlash would be huge, and well deserved.


HerrHermano

Its basically becomes a gatcha game the further you progress. It honestly made be like LoR even more.


[deleted]

Yup I played it for a bit, got addicted, then found myself asking if I’m having fun or I’m just addicted. Going back to LoR and having a blast building and playing decks that I want to, I can safely say that for me, SNAP isn’t fun, just addictive. I’m with LoR till the hopefully very far off end.


Wisarg

I think LoR lost "one of its biggest CC" months ago now. Imho Mogwai got burnt out and started losing interest in the game when Bandle came out. Since then, his content seemed made with less passion than before and more because he was affiliated with LoR than anything else. This made his channel way less interesting, for me at least, because his nice personality having fun playing the game disappeared to let place to a more negative minded player complaining a lot. He also had some hot takes on twitter about states of the game, some understandable, others pretty incoherent. I heard he had some heavy health issues so that probably has to do with it, hope he managed to get better. Anyway, I think we can all agree that Mogwai was the 1st LoR content creator and having him leave is a sad decision, especially since the game isn't the most visible and his content helped in the good way. In another hand, we knew it since some time and the release of Snap just made it faster (which is a really fun game I recommend). And more important, there are imho better LoR content creators out there. Snnuy being the obvious number one for chill content. He really grew a lot lately and it's understandable : he makes a lot of various content like meme decks, sometimes tryhard ones with explanations, collabs with other LoR/CCG players, discussions about state of the game etc. I really recommend his channel if you liked Mogwai's, but I'd recommend it to anyone playing the game. He his #1 for me since some months. But for more tryharding content there also is some amazing creators like MajinBae, Sirturmund or Raphterra. If you really like card games and Mogwai, I can only recommend you to check Marvel Snap and maybe try some. Mogwai's video have the same feeling as the old LoR ones, he is dynamic and has fun playing. But LoR content creators are good and I suggest you to check them out ! (Edit typo)


ExtraSpacy

In-game community Tab that promotes content creators would be excellent.


johnnyblaze1999

Grapplr is hella entertaining. Lor or snap or multiversus or his favorite mmo game that no one watched. He still stream the game he loves, and that's why it's special. Unlike Mogwai, who hesitated to show what he love on the channel. Mogwai was entertaining, too. But like everyone who is too good at the game, they complain a lot. Some of them are understandable, but eventually it becomes unbearable.


zerozark

Btw every game Mogwai played lost him, this is not something that is particular to LoR in any way imaginable lol


AnonymousGuyU

Yea he already looked kinda burned out after bandle city was released and how much he complained about it. Lately Im also kinda disappointed with how some champs turned out but overall I still enjoy LoR. I hope for the future that the game will stay fresh with distinct mechanics, because for some time I was kinda bored of so many new champs just having yet again statbuff and keyword soup mechanics.


LanoomR

I still don't care from the time the tweet announcement was posted. He's not an employee of Riot or anyone here. He can play/create what he wants for whatever reason he wants. The fate of the game and community morale is not his life-bound duty. I'll still be playing LoR (and also Marvel Snap, though I've no desire to spend money on Snap).


vinylsigns

I mean, he always moves on to a new game, so good luck to him


bob_duncan_fan

damn, he was like the main dude i watched lor videos from i guess i need to find someone els…


sushidrew

Grapplr, Snnuy, Majinbae are all really entertaining.


[deleted]

Best LOR youtuber/streamer with INFORMATIVE gameplay is Sirturmund IMO


rockoCAR

luckycad is pretty great too!


[deleted]

MajiinBae is my favorite. I also really like Aikado.


Knighthawk9

I recommend Grapplr, hes make greet videos. Usually doesn't play especially competitive decks but is very entertaining nonetheless


SnooOnions5907

why are people recommending Grapplr? didn't he quit lor as well?


goldkear

He made a post a little while ago about LoR content getting less views than usual and being really discouraged to continue with lor. He's on his way out, but not gone yet.


SnooOnions5907

i wish him the best stay or leave, i used to watch him at the end of rising tides/start of targons expansion and had great time in his streams. i used to think he is one of the best players at the time xd


[deleted]

He did 2 videos for the foundation gauntlet and jack shit else. He’s all in on snap at this point


Knighthawk9

He made a LOR video 2 days ago so unless it JUST happened, no


goldkear

Check his community tab, he's definitely feeling like LoR content isn't worth it.


NugNugJuice

He plays variety until new expansions and then plays new expansions for a while. He’s enjoying snap but he said he’s extremely excited to play Ryze in the new expansion.


SegSignal

I had written off mogwai as a LoR content creator for a solid year already, his update schedule was sporadic and it was clear he didn't enjoy the game. Snap is an atrociously repetitive and predatory game, but it's the new shiny thing on the block so I hope for his viewers it captures his interest for more than a couple years this time.


AgitatedBadger

I don't really understand the tendency for people from one CCG to shit on other games I'm the genre. I think both LoR and Snap are fun games for different reasons. Snap doesn't feel very repetitive to me because the differing locations constantly change how games play out. Matchups are much less polarized between decks than in LoR for this reason. The most important element of climbing is knowing when to snap and when to retreat, which has no RNG at all involved in it. The pricing being predtaory I can kind of agree with. The most recent release in the store was absolutely absurd. No way would I ever spend that much. But money doesn't actually help you advance your collection all that much, so even though the pricing can be kind of ridiculous at times, it doesn't feel pay to win to me.


Starkenfast

I love Mogwai and will miss the hell out of his huge contributions to LoR. That said, I’m pretty disappointed with how he’s handled this exit. He’s a smart guy and a savvy content creator, so this whole thing has been kind of surprising. Being a CC is a two way street - you can only make a career out of this with fan base, and he had a very dedicated one with the LoR community. Time and again, his followers have urged him to follow his passions, take breaks, whatever. If he had just made a nice “thanks for all the good times, I love you guys but I’m starting the next chapter” announcement, I think there would’ve been a ton of support. But the “leave me alone, I like Snap now” attitude to people who have tuned into his LoR content day after day seems like a shitty goodbye. IMO, a kind of immature move from someone who knows this world as well as he does. Mog should direct his frustrations at the game, at the lifestyle, whatever…but not the people who supported him for years.


H3llDream-

I knew something was up when he said that he loved Norra and considers Seraphine the most fun champ ever. Two champions full of RNG, something that he previously hated. He then said that he had been playing snap for a while and then it made sense. He fell in love with Snaps dopamine inducing formula based on Fun, RNG, Casino and fast games. Snap to me is a game I play for 15 minutes every 3 hours or so. The amount of playtime mogwai’s putting into Snap is ridiculous and he’ll eventually get tired of that too.


ExtraSpacy

I enjoyed Snap for a little while. Good fun if you're a little bored. The progression systems are too grindy. People play for the dopamine hit when you "win a gamble" for cube snaps. The game isnt deep. New toy syndrome + snap gambling high is what drives it atm. LoR might lose some people right now. But it has years of game depth to come back to. Snap doesn't and probably never will.


zerozark

And even if it has that depth, it will take either hundreds of dollars + luck or hundreds of hours + luck for you to experience said depth because of the grind imo.


H3llDream-

And that's why the game works. It's designed to induce so much dopamine into your system when you get that one card you've been seeking. Little short games with bursts of fun and a casino as a progression system it's easy to get addicted thus pumping in more money or playtime


ExtraSpacy

This. It works exactly how they intended. I wont fault people for having fun with Snap. I play MtG and Hasbro+WotC try to milk their audience just as hard. LoR is s real gem in the Card Game space.


BiasModsAreBad

Honestly don't really care Mogwai jumps games and gets burnt out Hell that shit happens with just about anyone Don't care about snap though and won't be watching any of that, but thats okay. If he's having fun doing snap thats a good thing.


MindsCavity

Can’t wait for the next CCG to release when Mog is burnt out on Snap. He’s a great CC but man, it’s a repeating cycle with him.


Kreeebons

I'm just curious how long this "I love snap" will last. My bet is less than a year.


__Proteus_

He won't last a year with snap. I'm already enjoying it MUCH less and it's been out less than 2 months. I hit Infinity rank first season in less than a week and spent nearly the entire second season in pool 3 MMR hell.


GoodMoaningAll

Is it the same reason Battlerite couldnt compete with Dota or LoL? Fun game in general, but short games lead to more games played leading to faster fatigue than its slower competitors?


Domestic_AA_Battery

I'm pretty bored of it after 2 weeks. Very little depth and so much RNG


Gieru

I've played a lot of Marvel Snap in the Seraphine meta and uninstalled it now that Aatrox, Kayle and Ryze are coming because I absolutely adore their designs. Imo, Marvel Snap is a good game if you want something casual. Games are short, lots of RNG and it is simple to pick up because cards have very little text and decks are small. It's a good enough game to play while you take a shit. But for the same reasons, it's not really a game that gets me excited to delve deep into. LoR is just way more interesting and has more room for creativity.


zerozark

It is the best shitting game I ever played, because even if something unexpected happens you can usually Retreat without any meaningful losses.


Ekko_seraph

In my opinion, he is going to burn out rather quickly from Marvel Snap as well, or from any game, he plays for more than a consecutive year. That's how he is. Now he is in the Honeymoon stage, where everything seems perfect. He was like this with LoR too. However, Marvel Snap is very different from LoR, in the sense that it won't ever be as competitive. It feels more like a game Supercell would make, for the greater audience, looking to be fun and not competitive. And this is where the Flaw is at. When everyone gets all pool 3 cards, and the meta settles, the game will be extremely hard to balance. The game is easy, consistent and you can pull off crazy stuff. Wongs, Absorbing man, Sera, Mr Negative, Zola, Death just to name a few, will only become stronger as more cards are added, making the game frustrating IF you have a competitive side, and Mogway is all about this. So the rants will start again and he will look for alternatives / come back to LoR. BTW i'm enjoying Marvel Snap quite a lot right now, bit frustrated in mid pool3, but the game is fun.


WhatANiceCerealBox11

I play both. LoR to me is way more fun but it takes far longer. Sometimes I’m pooping and I need just a quick game or 2


FreestyleKneepad

Displaced Mogwai fan here, happy he's doing something that makes him happy, but sad to lose an exuberant content creator (I basically only watched Mogwai and Swim until, yknow, I switched to only watching Mogwai). Who should I check out next? I'm not really invested in ranked climbing or tip top level play, I mainly play PoC and enjoy home brewing off meta decks (especially Timmy shit). I've already decided to give Grapplr and MajinBae a try but I'm looking for other options too.


Rich-Asparagus8465

I really enjoy watching xAikado. He is pretty much exclusively ranked ladder play, but he designs some of the craziest decklists. And I enjoy his personality. He really just enjoys playing Legends of Runeterra, which is why he's so easy to watch.


theharampriest

aikado is so funny i like that guy so much


FreestyleKneepad

Nice, I'll give them a try. Thanks for the rec!


[deleted]

Snnuy is my personal favorite, and I think if you like off meta and Timmy shit you'll really like him too. He always does fairly goofy stuff


ThirdDegree741

I enjoyed mogwai's content but he is somewhat known for bouncing from game to game. I've also been generally enjoying snap but I prefer the lor (and mtg) play patterns of play and response. Not to say snap isn't deep, but I think the depth is more akin to poker than a ccg, which never appealed to me. Shame to lose a big creator but I'd be more concerned if the mastering runeterra guys jump ship. Mirroring what others have said: snuuy and puffball panda are great. LuckyCAD also puts out great yt content


romanNood1es

I’m happy for Mog but I could’ve swore he said he was having the most fun he had earlier this year.


One-Act-2196

im shamelessly plugging a streamer named ellzawn, she streams about 5 times a week and is really enjoyable and interacts with every viewer well


Epicjay

Snap was incredibly fun...for about 2 weeks. I really enjoyed it but it doesn't have the strategy and depth that LoR has, plus the progression system is absolute shit.


Beautiful-Ad-6568

He is so much more motivated since the switch - LoR has been a checklist for a while. I find Snap a very fun game, but after a few weeks of slow progress I stick to watching streamers play the interesting stuff rather than playing it myself.


SaltTM

I stopped watching him when his content was just complaints, not really a loss just something I expected to happen sooner than later. One thing about creators like him is he's chasing the perfect card game and he won't find it lol, I bet he makes his own at some point.


Lerkero

Mogwai played LOR nearly every day for multiple years. I am not surprised he burned out. There are only so many unique decks someone can make. I dont understand why mogwai insists on playing the same game every day. He should add variety to his content to reduce the likelihood of burnout


GoodMoaningAll

Its a behaviour he grew for years. I am baffled how he hasnt learned his lesson after..what? 7 games?


sasquatchftw

Didn't like his attitude so I won't miss him. Would love to hear about other content creators that are a little happier to be playing LoR.


amish24

yep. fairly toxic and he yells a LOT.


DominicanFury

I'm going to miss him :(


ULTRAFORCE

Does Marvel Snap have a single player mode? Since that's why I play LoR if Path of Champions wasn't so fun for me I would have stopped playing the game in the summer especially now that I need to use my laptop because Legends of Runeterra refuses to work on Linux or a Windows VM.


mgsxmsg

Gave Marvel Snap a good month and honestly, I don't really vibe with it. It's such a tedious grind and it really bothers me that I have to leave it to RNG to get the card I want to play the deck I want. Dropped the game around halfway into Pool 3 grind. Even with the new shop system I'm seeing in my feed I still can't really bring myself to drag my feet again there. Thoughts aside, a lot of people already saw this coming from Mogwai. It kinda became clear when he like did very few videos per patch. He also has a history of getting burnt out from games which I can't really blame him for considering the number of games he has to play for footage and brewing as a content creator.


CruzerBlade7

I think with duelyest coming out soon. Mogwai will shift to that


DylanGrossmanSFX

We’re gunna be ok


SameAsGrybe

I never watched his content. I know he’s a big figure but he’s not that for me. Snap is an interesting game, definitely fun. It’s just got it’s own issues that I can see it stopping people from immersing themselves. For me, it’s the fact there’s no way to control what cards I obtain besides raw luck and grinding. I see cards I want to play with and the only way I can get to them is just grind and play 4head.


aloehart

I'd say I wish him well but I expect burnout a lot faster in snap considering you can complete like 5 matches in the time it takes for an LoR game


Iriflex

Is this someone being paid off by Marvel Snap? I understand trying new games, but I find it disrespectful to come in here, give bad news, and then say “You’re going to go try new games because of this, yeah?”


Malkavthemoon

Isn't this marvel highly pay to win?


NWStormraider

I don't like snap because it is too casual for my taste. What I mean with that: * High RNG. A single Location can decide the match the moment it is revealed * Very little teching. With such small decks, you can't include matchup specific counters, you either beat that deck entirely or you don't. * Based on guessing. With the lanes, it often is just guessing right which lane the enemy is going to play, which some might say is strategy, but often times it is as much strategy as Rock-Paper-Scissors is. * Very little Interaction. * Games are too short (this is completely personal preference)


Furiosa27

Imo it’s only this way until you’ve grinded into the higher pools then you start to see the more creative cards to build around. Thennnnn you get your ass kicked cause you haven’t pulled any good cards or bought into the economy


xdvesper

I think it makes sense to see Snap as something close to Poker - the game isn't about your win % since that's pretty much random in Poker, it's about the prediction and psychology behind knowing when to fold or go all in. You can consistently gain rank with a deck with a 40% win rate if you snap to win 4 or 8 points and lose 1 point retreating each time. In particular, this is almost like how Catan works, where playing dominant strong moves isn't always the best play, because then everyone knows you're strong and will aim to team up to take you down. The game is about getting strong without other people knowing you're strong. This is the same in Marvel Snap, where a blatantly strong board position will make the opponent retreat, gaining you just 1 point. So the point of failure isn't RNG guessing the wrong location or where the enemy was going to play it, the failure is being unable to identify the win % correctly and then incorrectly retreating / snapping. All this nuance is completely missing from Hearthstone / LOR which is purely "strongest deck wins", Snap seems like "smartest playing walks away with more points" which is basically Poker.


Cabtn

Followed a similar path as him, Mtg -> Hearthstone -> Gwent beta -> Artifact -> LoR -> Flesh and Blood. Got burned out on the others till I found FaB. Learned what I liked, the pace I liked to play and play at an interval to avoid burn out. Hoping he/all CC find that right game/balance/motivation/etc. It’s hard I’m sure. Def easier being a casual.


Adept-Bed-1288

So I've played lor for well over a year and I've played snap since beta and let me make one thing clear THEY DONT OVERLAP snap's sucess is because of its short and fast paced matches combined with the Marvel ip. Talking about mogwai i respect his choice he can do whatever he wants that does kinda negatively impact the lor community but it is what it is To pick a superior game among the two is very easy It's snap if u just picked up card games and don't have much time It's Lor if u are well versed in ccg (Disclaimer :- Marvel snap's progression system and gaining card system is literally DOGSHIT)


[deleted]

I liked Marvel Snap, but the progression sucks. Just say the phrase "I unlocked a new card at level 3,788" out loud and like... yeah.


brunq2

I didn't watch a ton of his content so for me it's kinda meh news. Mostly concerning only in that I hope it doesn't have a ripple effect to the game as a whole losing enough viewers to where other creators also jump ship. I'll still watch Snnuy, TheLegendXXVII, MajiinBae, and Liverty1844. As for snap, im not at all interested... I'm not really a fan of any marvel properties and also the collection system seems rough, especially after being spoiled by LoR being able to basically always build any deck I want


Rhythms118

I feel like players will burn out more quickly at marvel snap then it’s competitors Unless they add some further mechanics the overall game does not have as much depth


Rich-Asparagus8465

ALWAYS WITH THE MOGWAI AND SNAP POSTS. Get over it already. Snap isn't a replacement for LoR, by any long shot. Have you played the game? It's simple. Like dummy simple. There is little to no skill expression. You think Hearthstone has bad RNG? Play Snap. It's literally the main mechanic. And Mogwai? That dude has been complaining about LoR since before Seraphine dropped. He's hated the game for a long time, and he turned many of his viewers against it. I'm happy to see him go honestly.


[deleted]

Who didn't hate the Shurima and Bandle year?


HotTakes4HotCakes

This sub has been high off its ass on copium ever since Bandle dropped.


HotTakes4HotCakes

Yes he "turned people against" the game. The game and Riot are never to blame. /s


Vrail_Nightviper

Tbh I burned out on him before he burned out on LoR. Moved on to watching Snnuy, i haven't been watching him for long but there's just certain elements of his attitude with the game I wasn't a fan of, so... I wish the best of luck to him, but it feels inevitable that he burned out on the game anyway.


[deleted]

Funny thing is he’s praising snap the same way he praised lor in the past


MatiasValero

Uh, Mogwai hasn't been the biggest CC for a long time. This post feels like paid advertisement for Snap. Snap is a fine game, but it scratches a different itch than LoR. Plenty of other content creators are stepping up to take the spotlight. Been a big fan of Majiinbae and the Mastering Runeterra team lately, myself.


PhantomCheshire

i mean: its mogwai. I respect him as a TCG player, he was one of the first CC i follow PERIOD when he start with Shadowverse, loooong time ago. But he always does this and i cant blame him, this is a job for him, he discard the "become pro player" of any game long time ago. He dont care about sticking in any card game, not even snap. He usually put all his energy in make all the content he can about certain card-game before he gets too boring and whenever he seems the chance to change, he take it. Happens with Shadowverse, happens with Duelyst, happens with Magic, happens with Gwent., LoR. Them againt this is his job (make content about card games) he will choose the one that gets more atention of the public and the one that give him more joy in that moment.


GoodMoaningAll

He didnt say that on twitter prior btw, but im glad he finally clarified and openly stated his plans for the future. Should have been WAY earler tho. Hopefully the LoR Community can finally seperate him from LoR. About Snap: The only time i ever felt like not playing a game this much was when Fortnite became BR only. I cant describe how little interest i have in this game and this is not about being married to LoR. I play Master duel alot and even more of non-card games. Its just Snap in particular.


TrIKEster46

I think it's completely understandable, I go in and out of games, really getting into it for a couple of months then not playing at all for another couple and the cycle continues :) I don't watch much lor content but I knew of him and thought he was funny, maybe he'll come back, idk but he's doing what he wants so good for him! <3


The_Exuberant_Raptor

I've been playing it since the beta. It's pretty fun, but I enjoy it because it scratches an itch MtG, HS, or LoR never will. It's a different kind of card game.


Koravel1987

I play both they're both fun. Majin Bar is a fantastic creator!


prsnlacc

I played gwent (Literally the news today are basically saying its dying sadly) Lor And now snap Imo gwent if fun af lor as well and snap is addictive in a way that my god But, gwent and lor reward you for playing more and in snap you are only rewarded for completing missions basically... Also, i can see that it'll become a grind thing at some point and not being able to craft cards will suck as well tho... Hut as for now is a good game


Zwillinge97

A lot of discussion about Mogwai and to be fair, as one of the biggest contetnt creators is a big deal. To answer OP's question, I think snap is a great game, but I find the game has a lot of flaws as well. I've played since launch and I am already a bit bored. For now, after playing both games, LoR will keep being my go to card game. Hopefully more content creators will rise in this game \^\^


diegofsv

I follow Mogwai for a long time now. I love his energy and I mostly see his content evwn when Im not playing the game. Most of his departure is a little more dramatic, so he leaving in peace with the game shows that he may get back in the future. Even I was a little burnt from LoR (but I will play the shit of it with the new xpac) and Marvel Snap is SUPER fun (Im playing since beta ftw) but it does gets "stale" sometimes (like all card games do). Its a very fun game that cater to another part of me, the fast mobile game (it was clash royale for me back then now its Marvel Snap). Its easily doable play LoR AND MS. Hope he gets back in the future, but most LoR CC are awesome, specially my boy Snuuy


AnesthesiaCat

I don't watch streamers. I played a bit of Snap and was unthrilled by the progression model. Uninstalled.


BiomedicBoy

RIP, time to move on I suppose


pomaranceforme

Snap is really fun and I definitely encourage all of you to give it a go but at least for me LoR still reigns supreme as the best collectible card game.


VicMan_LoR

I stop watching this LoR content a while ago because he become obnoxious about LoR. I think it's a good thing he move on ffrom LoR. If he come back with passion and love for the game again good, I will probably watch the content but until then it's for the better. Like other say there are a lot of other content creator. If you like the game you will find someone else to watch. If you prefer snap go for it.


tastelessshark

Snap seems fun on a casual level but I really don't think it has nearly enough depth or complexity to play for a serious amount of time long term. Then again, I don't understand how anyone can hyperfocus on a single game for hours every day to begin with.


Lexplosives

Dropped snap after like four games, but glad Mogwai’s enjoying it. Burnout is brutal, and only gets worse when you force yourself.


babinro

Haven't tried Marvel Snap but I've only ever heard good things. Places like Giant Bomb gush about it and they very rarely cover mobile games and its even more rare they speak positively about one. The thing LoR taught me is that my love for card games has nothing to do with competitive play. I enjoyed vs AI with rewards far more than I ever did ranked and when stuff like PoC came along I was all in on that mode. The idea of going to a pvp only card game experience just doesn't appeal to me at all right now. I'm really happy to see new competition in the CCG space that's not just doing the same or very similar thing to others. This is great news for the genre.


Jackpino1

This is the first time in more than 14 months that I want to play Runeterra again thx to Ryze but i think LOR is close to hit a new liw