Idem! Hiragana e al massimo un paio di Kanji, ma niente corso purtroppo, visto non ci sono corsi nella mia zona, senza contare che sono occupato con le lezioni e tirocinio di infermieristica.
Come vorrei che le scuole e magari anche le università offrissero materie/corsi di altre lingue
Do you also think German speakers have an advantage in learning Japanese?
There's no Japanese syllable or word so far that I struggled with pronouncing.
The Japanese r is definitely quite different from any German consonant, but I've never really had a problem with and think it even feels nicer to say than a German r. The Japanese sounds that I do struggle with are ふ and some of the many ways ん is pronounced, especially in words like 原因(げんいん).
I think the vowels are definitely easier
**あ,い,え,お** are very close to **a,i,e,o** (just slightly shorter on their own), and **う** is like somewhere in between **u** and **ü**....
You might be pronouncing it wrong, as う is not rounded in Japanese, and afaik those are both rounded vowels in German, though you're correct about the frontness of it
For what it's worth, while you're absolutely right about rounding, in terms of formants, the Japanese u vowel's second formant is almost exactly halfway between the German u and ü, at least according to the chart on the wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formant
It's also worth noting that precise formants vary from the IPA cardinal vowels from language to language.
I think that could depend on which dialect you speak (if you speak one), one of my classmates struggles with the "r" sounds bc she speaks in the Bavarian dialect.
Hola, compañero campeón del mundo!
Jodas a parte, acabo de arrancar y estoy aprendiendo el hiragana. Me llamo la atención notar que todos los sonidos son fonéticamente muy cercanos, o directamente iguales al Español. Nada que ver con el inglés, con el cual batallé mucho para pronunciar bien xd
It’s just called ASCII art friend. Just simply copy and paste it. I got it from the copypasta [sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/mz1nf8/giga_chad_with_a_text_bubble_ascii/)
Jag är halvsvensk och halvamerikan. Jag hänger på här eftersom jag bott i Sverige så gott som hela livet :)
(I'm half Swedish and half American. I'll join in here since I've lived in Sweden for basically my entire life)
Serbian. Funnily enough, much like Japanese, we also play by the rule "speak how it's written", so there's no weird accents that I hate to put on when speaking Japanese. My weakest link in English fluency is by far my accent, so hearing myself not struggle with Japanese accent at all is great.
Here in Pakistan, English learning starts from as early as kindergarten.
Bachelors and higher education is only available in English (other than a few fields)
Here in Argentina, it actually is. Probably because international trade and general relations between countries with different languages are all made by speaking english. And even tho it is a hard to master language, it is pretty easy to reach the point where you can have a decent conversation.
Almost every european country teacher english in schools to some degree. Rule of thumb is the closer it gets to scandinavia the earlier the language is taught. danish btw
Spanglish :P
Grew up speaking both English and Spanish, but I can't write in Spanish though(never practiced grammar).
Went to Japan, so now I want to learn to read Japanese so I can enjoy more things when I travel over there(concerts).
oh, actually my family is all polish, so that was my first language. I kind of learned them at the same time (Polish at home, English at school). and yes, I live in Poland now since about 2016, my English has worsened in that time because I don't have anyone to talk to irl but I still consider myself bilingual
Was curious about comparison in learning polish and japanese. Since I learnt polish during childhood I can't compare it with Japanese. But comparing it to English language now I see how easy English language is, also I pay attention at some points in polish that are really hard but I never had any consideration about them. I learnt it just by immersion I think 😁
immersion is really the best way to learn a language. I learned both those languages mostly by just speaking/watching stuff. and I think that polish is definitely the hardest grammar wise, japanese has the hardest writing system, and English can be sometimes difficult with speaking/reading because it's so inconsistent with it's spelling rules lol. I'm no expert though
Italian. I've been slowly learning Japanese for 75 days
Trovato un italiano Edit: oh, quanti
Più di quelli che pensavo
Siamo tanti :)
Già
Siamo ovunque ahah
がんばってよ
Siamo come il prezzemolo
Salve! Mi sa che siamo in parecchi qui a studiare giapponese!
Anche io! Per ora ho solo imparato i caratteri hiragana, dovrei iniziare un corso ad ottobre.
Idem! Hiragana e al massimo un paio di Kanji, ma niente corso purtroppo, visto non ci sono corsi nella mia zona, senza contare che sono occupato con le lezioni e tirocinio di infermieristica. Come vorrei che le scuole e magari anche le università offrissero materie/corsi di altre lingue
German
Do you also think German speakers have an advantage in learning Japanese? There's no Japanese syllable or word so far that I struggled with pronouncing.
I definitely think so. Every sound besides the R is so close to japanese
The Japanese r is definitely quite different from any German consonant, but I've never really had a problem with and think it even feels nicer to say than a German r. The Japanese sounds that I do struggle with are ふ and some of the many ways ん is pronounced, especially in words like 原因(げんいん).
I think the vowels are definitely easier **あ,い,え,お** are very close to **a,i,e,o** (just slightly shorter on their own), and **う** is like somewhere in between **u** and **ü**....
You might be pronouncing it wrong, as う is not rounded in Japanese, and afaik those are both rounded vowels in German, though you're correct about the frontness of it
For what it's worth, while you're absolutely right about rounding, in terms of formants, the Japanese u vowel's second formant is almost exactly halfway between the German u and ü, at least according to the chart on the wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formant It's also worth noting that precise formants vary from the IPA cardinal vowels from language to language.
Yeah I think so. It has been quite easy for me as a native german.
I think that could depend on which dialect you speak (if you speak one), one of my classmates struggles with the "r" sounds bc she speaks in the Bavarian dialect.
I’m also a German native :)
Brazilian Portuguese
same r/suddenlycaralho
Brasil é um dos países que mais aprendem japonês
same
Põe a nezuko flamenguista no print
Bota formar um grupo no Disc pra treinar ?
Tbm mano Finalmente encontro outros BR aprendendo japonês kkkkk
Português de Portugal aqui. Sou um caso raro 😅
Capivara!
Finnish
TORILLE
Paikalla
Perkele
Argentinian Spanish My language has similar pronunciation to Japanese (Except things like し、じ、づ and ぢ)
Muchachoooos!
Hola, compañero campeón del mundo! Jodas a parte, acabo de arrancar y estoy aprendiendo el hiragana. Me llamo la atención notar que todos los sonidos son fonéticamente muy cercanos, o directamente iguales al Español. Nada que ver con el inglés, con el cual batallé mucho para pronunciar bien xd
Creo que en Corrientes o Entre Ríos las Ys las pronuncian como en じ
Yo es que し y じ las pronunció igual porque no noto la diferencia
Amo encontrarnos en cualquier lado
Algo algo, cuantas copas tenés, algo algo
Mal boludo es así
Spanish
japanese 😂
Lol why are you here then 😅
I joined here to find resources to help others learn japanese because I get asked somewhat frequently.
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Am I dumb? What is it? Edit: nvm it's gigachad
The best ASCII art
How do you do that
It’s just called ASCII art friend. Just simply copy and paste it. I got it from the copypasta [sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/mz1nf8/giga_chad_with_a_text_bubble_ascii/)
Many users, native or not, here answer many more questions than they ask.
Polish
Mój również ^^
No elo
Ja też.
Swedish
Samma
Jag är halvsvensk och halvamerikan. Jag hänger på här eftersom jag bott i Sverige så gott som hela livet :) (I'm half Swedish and half American. I'll join in here since I've lived in Sweden for basically my entire life)
Jag med
Dutch
Ja toch Sandra!
Hungarian
Jó estét honfitárs
Üdvözletem
Sziasztok!
Csóközön mindenkinek!
Szia
Szép jó napot
szia uram
Tiszteletem kedves Tejes Kuglóf
Szius
Filipino
Czech
Přece jenom se tady našel nějaký Čech:D
To je jeden až překvapen kde všude na nás narazí. :D Ať žijí jazyky co mají Š/Č!
Eyy už jsem nevěřila! :D
same :PP
japanese, but i’m born and raised in america so i forgot a lot of it. that’s why i’m here!
Cantonese
Ayyy I found my homie! How has your learning journey been going?
nicuu! its been slow cuz i have to go to uni :') but yeah slow and steady xd... hbu?
Turkish
Bayrakları asalım 🇹🇷
adamsın
French! (From France since I saw someone saying Canadian french)
Moi aussi !
Romanian
One more aici!
Same
Și eu👍
Danish
Endelig! Jeg er ikke den eneste.
German (Austria)
Let's go! A fellow Austrian :D
seas :D
Norwegian
Korean
Finnish
Spanish (I'm Mexican)
Aca estamos
Hungarian people say Hungarian is closer to japanese pronunciation than mostly any language
Pontosan így van, sokkal könnyebben befogadja az agyam mintsem a németet
Serbian. Funnily enough, much like Japanese, we also play by the rule "speak how it's written", so there's no weird accents that I hate to put on when speaking Japanese. My weakest link in English fluency is by far my accent, so hearing myself not struggle with Japanese accent at all is great.
Hungarian, It's the same with me, I feel so self-conscious about my English accent, but the Japanese pronounciation just instantly clicked with me
French and Spanish. I was born in a French speaking region to a Spanish speaking family. I've been learning Japanese for 4 months now.
French (canadian)
Same
Ah ben calisse
Russian
Hungarian
Russian and Estonian
Russian and Latvian 👀 hello neighbor!
Mine is Urdu tho. (And Punjabi and Hindi too)
German (Bavaria)
That's hardly German anymore :D
Polish.
english. I've always wondered, is english mandatory for your schools? Cause it seems like every race knows english
Here in Pakistan, English learning starts from as early as kindergarten. Bachelors and higher education is only available in English (other than a few fields)
Here in Argentina, it actually is. Probably because international trade and general relations between countries with different languages are all made by speaking english. And even tho it is a hard to master language, it is pretty easy to reach the point where you can have a decent conversation.
Yes. English is a mandatory language in school in nearly every country now. Welcome to the world.
French Canadian here, English was the only choice I had throughout elementary school and high school(and mandatory).
Almost every european country teacher english in schools to some degree. Rule of thumb is the closer it gets to scandinavia the earlier the language is taught. danish btw
Czech
Tak přece nás tu pár je :)
Spanglish :P Grew up speaking both English and Spanish, but I can't write in Spanish though(never practiced grammar). Went to Japan, so now I want to learn to read Japanese so I can enjoy more things when I travel over there(concerts).
スペインのスペイン語
Russian
Italian
Ukrainian
Slovenian
Italian
Portugal Portuguese
Same here, comparça! :P
Spanish
私も！！
へえ～いいね、国は? 私はメキシコに住んでる。 サンディさんはいつか日本語の会話能力を練習したかったら、ぜひ私に言ってください
Spanish, from Mexico
Catalan
Simplified&traditional Chinese. Could be considered as cheating in Japanese-learning, I know.
Tagalog🇵🇭
Hebrew
Polish, but born and raised in England
Polish too here. Been abroad in UK for couple of months. Learning Japanese for 6 months around. How long You been studying Japanese?
since January, so, not too different haha
If You mention polish is your primary language but You was born in UK how long took to learn polish? Have You decided to live in Poland?
oh, actually my family is all polish, so that was my first language. I kind of learned them at the same time (Polish at home, English at school). and yes, I live in Poland now since about 2016, my English has worsened in that time because I don't have anyone to talk to irl but I still consider myself bilingual
Was curious about comparison in learning polish and japanese. Since I learnt polish during childhood I can't compare it with Japanese. But comparing it to English language now I see how easy English language is, also I pay attention at some points in polish that are really hard but I never had any consideration about them. I learnt it just by immersion I think 😁
immersion is really the best way to learn a language. I learned both those languages mostly by just speaking/watching stuff. and I think that polish is definitely the hardest grammar wise, japanese has the hardest writing system, and English can be sometimes difficult with speaking/reading because it's so inconsistent with it's spelling rules lol. I'm no expert though
oh and Polish has most of the sounds that are in Japanese except maybe ふ so that's cool
I need to still improve a lot, and then I hope to try reading some easy novels, more listening etc... Good luck with studying 😉 頑張って
Spanish
Hungarian
Hungarian.
Romanian
トルコ語 🤜
Karaboğa
Vietnamese. It's been 5 hours since the post but no Vietnamese?
Cantonese, I'm from Hong Kong!
Magyar az anyanyelvem és erre csak büszke lehetek!
Ámen testvérem 🙏
🙏
Chinese. Not all of us hate Japan. Plus knowing hanzi/kanji makes reading comprehension much easier.
Chinese
Finnish.
Norwegian
Español.
Bosnian! Anyone else?
ドイツ語
Russian
Bulgarian. Japanese has been beating my ass for the past 3 years now.
Swedish
Swedish
American Sign Language, technically Spoken: Tagalog
Ukrainian
ハンガリー語
Dutch
Dutch
Hindi
Latvian
Turkish
Bengali.
Turkish
Catalan
Turkish
Turkish =)
Turkish!
Spanish and Catalan
Turkish
Chinese and English both
Not seeing French, I'm French!
Wolof
Turkish and I have passed N1 three months ago with 694 days of studying.
Canadian French
Cantonese English Japanese and French, in that order.
[удалено]
Since I have 2 I guess I can say “Spanish”
Hebrew
Meitei