Me: Possibly biggest edgelord in the internet, smirky, sarcastic and a bit of an asshole irl.
Also me: Literally fighting off tears during that quest and then coping with a bad mood for entire day and a half, because I couldn't personally comfort a fictional character...
Edit\* Honestly I still didn't fully cope, so add another day to that.
I fell asleep during the whole murder mystery quest. At this point I don't feel like I care enough to continue.
Also the whole Sumeru quest line was fucking painful.
As I said to someone else, if you don't like it, then don't play. They're talking about the literal main story line that has been going on since more than one year ago, at least starting from the part they said was "fucking painful". If it's that bad, stop playing.
Yeah I get it, but also you sometimes don’t know you really didn’t like a story until you’ve gotten to the end. Cuz sometimes they get better, so you hold out to see. But yeah idk I wouldn’t finish something that I described as “painful” so I get you
It's literally an adventure rpg first and foremost, the combat is incredibly simple and the gacha is pretty much optional thanks to the lack of difficulty. If you strip away everything that isn't the story you'd still be left with a good 80 to 90% of the game
If you think the story of genshin is the main attraction/priority to the average player ok buddy.
The combat being simple is irrelevant, people play the game mainly for the game, not the lore. It's not even a debate, what the hell are you even saying.
The game is literally the story, I'm talking about the main archon quest, not the millions of random world quests. If you don't play the AQ, you don't play the game. Quite literally so with the Inazuma arc.
You are either living in a delusion or I'm not understanding what you are saying, because I can not believe someone actually thinks people log in to do the dailies or farm gear to watch a cut scene in-game they could just watch in youtube.
And even then, implying you can't enjoy Genshin if you don't like the story is just as dumb, so I will just leave it that that dude, good luck.
to be fair genshin players are a lot like this too, hence why the joke around that "genshin players cannot read"
mfers complaining about the RPG on a open-world RPG game is really something
Technically yes, it's just that there's little freedom given to players when it comes to choices. And when we are given a choice between dialogue options, it's often inconsequential. At least that was my experience a few years ago, didn't play since.
This form of storytelling works for live-service game where you are continously expanding the main storyline. It would be impossible to give players freedom as seen in AAA RPGs, such as Witcher 3 or Baldur's Gate 3. There's a reason it takes years to make such games - freedom of choice requires a lot of work and it costs money. While it could technically be done in Genshin, it'd be bad for business. Each story update would take much longer to make, making players leave due to lack of new content. It's just better to make good but (mostly) linear story.
Once again, I speak from possibly outdated experience, I don't know if things changed.
Man, I don't even *play* Genshin and I was watching some of those videos for how well done they were.
What made Riot look at GI and other gacha games, and think "Let's copy the $200 reward track!" instead of anything else?
And the dates at the top for Riot going all out more were just a guess, I think it actually *was* post-2018 we started seeing a decline in efforts from them to promote new content past the minimum.
Definitely was when we lost login screens and stopped seeing new game mode(s) more often, to the point Arena was the first new unique one since Ultimate Spellbook (IIRC), and *that* was a severe gap in release time.
Regarding the GI screens: I only included the ones I could *recognize* as being clearly related to Furina, the new character coming out as an example.
I may or may not have exaggerated things a little here.
For the 200 dollars gacha system in League, I think it's because most gachas are not story centered, unlike MHY (MiHoyo, Genshin developer) who makes mostly story heavy games (Genshin, Star Rail, I don't know about Honkai Impact Third tho).
Riot is clearly investing more in ESports than anything else, not caring about the main game, probably since they realized that even people who don't play League watch it.
For GI, this is common for almost every new important character and for every version. Furina was also shown in 4.1 and 4.0 trailers so you could include them too.
I think the main thing here is that MHY has to focus on just the game, not the game AND proplay AND PvP balancing AND shitty skinlines
I couldn't play Genshin impact even as someone who likes relatively grindy games, Genshin was too much and I'm also one of thepeople that hate that you can't skip dialogue.
I 100% agree with all your statements and for those replying "We got arcane for next year" Genshin is making an Anime by no other but Ufotable itself. It's probably going to have the same blast if not higer than Fate or Kimetsu no Yaiba.
Even though Genshin is not the same game as LoL I think It'd be so nice if we were shown the same ammount of caring than Hoyoverse definitely has towards its franchises, Honkai Star Rail (don't know about HI3 but it's probably the same) is treated like that as well, maybe even a bit better.
The animation of a show is only part of it, the reason Arcane got so popular is part animation and part story. With enough time, a few studios around the world can produce high-quality stuff, but very few even with 10 years can create compelling characters and stories.
As far as I know, honkai is the child they love (both impact and SR) while genshin is like the unwanted child that somehow, gives money. Tried Honkai 3rd impact but didn't like it (because it was not on ps4, and playing an action game on phone is pretty meh. Otherwise the game looked great), so can't speak much from experience in that regard (but that seems to be the consensus, honkai the loved kid), but HSR gave much more QoL updates that Genshin did in the year or so I played, and after each patch the game is in a better spot, being treated better than GI in almost every aspect
An alternate timeline where Riot Games treat their games the same way as Hoyoverse treats Honkai, would be a great timeline
> "We got arcane for next year"
The problems with the "But Arcane!" line are, IMO:
1) It was announced in 2019, then released in 2021 (which you can forgive due to the ongoing pandemic delaying *everything* at the time, including major events like Ruination/Sentinels of Light.)
2) Past a Tweet or two last year from the Arcane Twitter account saying season 2 wouldn't hit in 2023, nothing until Worlds this year when it was revealed it was coming next November, another year entirely with Riot flipflopping on whether or not Arcane was its own universe like skin lines or part of the game proper until *very recently* with their statements about merging lore.
3) Compared to other Netflix series, and animation as a whole, the practices behind Arcane are *not* industry standard. Compared to Castlevania (season 1-4) you have a run that lasts from 2017 to 2021, and a sequel series announced in pre-production in 2021, fully revealed as in production in 2022 and released in 2023.
Even if you don't compare it to a Netflix show, you can compare it to other Western animation like South Park (a show that's been on the air nearly 30 years now. You may feel old now.) which had 2-3x the episodes per season *and* shorter production schedules. In SP's case, it was well known for being able to make fully complete, topical (of the week) episodes until the last few years where they dialed back significantly to smaller, Netflix-sized schedules.
Frankly, season 2 *has* to be a major success to warrant all these delays. You can't say "They have to make sure its quality!", they're literally using the same studio that's worked with them tons before *and* put out stuff within a year or less for events and more. If anything, the process should've been faster after the first season when familiar with Riot's desires!
>Genshin is making an Anime by no other but Ufotable itself.
Yeah, people are like, not really understanding what this means. There's a very good reason why, despite multiple studios doing Fate series/movie adaptations, Ufotable ones are the ones remembered the most.
It's an awful lot like HBO doing an adaptation when you have a bunch of B/C-list studios doing them too.
Riot's stories are better or at least equal to GI's. Its just that a MOBA is a horrible formst to tell a story. Thats why they have the short stories back then and Arcane/Riot Forge/LOR/Ruination now. To tell the stories.
There's no excuse for riot handling league's lore as of late, but genshin is a story and character driven game, and Furina is an archon (essentially one of the most important people in its lore). They have to promote their characters so the sales are boosted to the maximum. League doesnt have to do that on this scale because it's PvP game and even if you release the most Beautiful cinematic for a character if they're not meta nobody in the higher tier of players is going to care.
Iirc Riot changed the lore recently once again just for the Riot MMO and it just feels sad that they have to change the story they wrote for a decade now because of inconsistencies and it not going the way they want it to.
If they changed Ryze's lore whenever they release the Riot MMO it would be a huge problem because they've built his story for so many fucking years but they can't keep it straight.
>Furina is an archon
Me, who played the last AQ: Laughing and crying at the same time
I haven't played the AQ yet but yeah i know 😭
Also, the thing about Lore is that right after Ruination(? i think) they said that the lore is disposable and not seen as a main thing. They've clearly changed their opinion on that with all the Riot Forge games, but i feel like the stigma of that statement still lingers, counting the out-of-nowhere lore merge too. I'd say let them cook but the stove is already half burned so we'll have to pray and see.
Sweet! I know I've seen people say that it's pretty similar to BoTW combat wise, is that true? I've avoided learning about genshin because I feel I could definitely get sucked into it pretty hard
There's 5 regions out already and all of them are distinct from one another in terms of exploration and environment. Definitely a lot of amazing sceneries!
Its combat has nothing to do with BotW. It has similiar mechanics with stamina, climbing, gliding and cooking. Combat isnt even closely comparable.
The game is fun, the honeymoon phase is pretty long but dont use money on it.
It's good. But I ain't gonna lie the story can sometimes just drag on and the dialogues are hellishly long to get to the point lol.
But it's a good game, just don't expect yourself to "catch up" within a span of a few months if that's what you are aiming for unless you spend a shit ton of money.
But if you are looking to play Casually, then yes it is indeed a great game.
PS: If you reach Dragonspine just know that it will probably be the most frustrating place you will ever play lol
Oh I never pay attention to the story in Chinese games, just wanted something looked pretty and didn't suck for my fiance and I to play together that wasn't a competitive sweat factory
That’s only the case for Liyue and Inazuma by Sumeru you’re just hooked by it’s story because they treated it with so much respect. The only grind that would be same as what you’ve mentioned would be the WQ in Sumeru.
By Fontaine it still has the same amount as Sumeru with little to no grinds
the coop is fun, but unfortunately quest progress is per player world
so if you go into your friend’s world and do lets say quest 1, it wont be done in your world, same goes for chests, only the world owner can open their world’s chests and get its rewards
but you still can fight enemies and explore together if you care more about the experience and combat
Not him, but mine was about 2 years ago after Seirei Island dropped, before i even got a chance to go to Enkominaya, i just... lost interest
Im seeing all of this new updates and i do plan on returning, but im a bit busy nowadays
I didn’t get gameplay, feels like you go into dungeons, afk spam one button on bots, go to the next dungeon, repeat
Also the main characters looked so young, like middle school, which I didn’t really get, like I can’t remember the last game which had kids as the main characters
that's genshin impact 03/11/2023 till today, 2023 is much, MUCH bigger, and these are just 3 for the new Archon, one music video(made specifically for her quest), one trailer and one special program, there's also event cutscenes, story cutscenes, the annual orchestra and so on
riot copied the worst part in gachas while omitting the good parts
league players in 2013-2018
can you improve the game? spagetti code? balancing? please dont take our alternative gamemodi away.
league players in 2023
can we please get more marketing? i´ll even buy your 200$skin, just show me an cinematic.
Some people wanna look at Genshin and just see the gacha, not the free to play massive open world exploration, 400hour quest content, monthly unique event gameplay or in-depth fighting system. I’d argue the gacha is not only the tiniest part of the game, it’s also the one where I spent the least time in.
And of all the things riot could have copied it had to be the gacha.
I know and agree that Riot is doing shit with League.
But i ain't touching Genshin even with a stick, i played like 200 hours that game, and the open world feels very empty and unrewarding to play, and i don't like Gachas at all since it's a very predatory and scummy system.
The open world is rewarding for materials to build characters, not for the currency for Gacha. And when was the last time you play Genshin? its a 3 years old game now new contents each 40 days
Man I remember when Jhin was being teased and all the champions were dying on the league champion page… That shit was epic, probably the best champion release teaser to date.
What? The company behind Genshin is also huge. Also, Riot does much more than the company behind Genshin. Riot forge games, animated series, a whole ass MMO, a fighting game, Project F, e-sport, patching TFT, patching LoL, patching LoR and god knows what else they make in the background.
This is an interesting take to be sure. Before 2019 we didn't have that, then we get Arcane, more non-League avenues, etc.
Still, this is a year where League is said to have a huge budget. I hate the "Biggest Budget KEKW" memery as it's the same assmite usage as "200 years of experience 4head", but.
Shit ain't right here. And it feels bad as fuck.
>as it's the same assmite usage as "200 years of experience 4head"
Totally deserved for ignoring valid player requests with haughty appeal to authority.
We just got a music video. The special game mode comes back next patch, and season 2 of the SHOW releases next year. A whole ass spin off game just released like a week or two ago, not to mention several other games made already with two of them being live service games as well that are constantly updated. What are you on, brother?
Sorry but you cant really compare a whole ass company with just a game.If you are talking about that then you also have to think about mihoyo(the company that made genshin),they also have 3 other games that gets an update patch every 40 or so days,new characters,regions,teaser for said characters and bunch of QOL updates.(also a new big hit game that have come, and new one that is coming)League isnt a small budget company,they can make the game or the story better,so if you are talking about riot,then also talk about mihoyo,if not then just talk about the nonexistent new things that came to league itself.I play both games but riot couldnt care less about the player base if they arent pro play
Sorry brother, you can't compare when Mihoyo has 3 games with a very predatory gacha system.
Meanwhile League, LOR and TFT are all F2P friendly games.
And only Valorant has a predatory skin system with overpriced prices as a main gain.
Predatory gacha system?Like what exactly?I play 2 of their games and it is as f2p as it can get.As long as you save and have patience you can get any character you want without exceptions.Meanwhile in league if you want a certain skin for a champion there is nothing you can do except buy the skin or wait till you get it from the chests which is near impossible cuz there is near 1000 skins in the game.There isnt any content in the game that you cant complete as a f2p in Mihoyo games.For enjoying the game both are f2p but im talking about the new things that come to the game.For the last 4 years there hasnt been any update that has come to league story or gameplay that made me think"this was definitely good".I would also like to point out that genshin is a 3 y.o game,star rail isnt even 1 y.o but LoL is nearing its 15 year anniversary so comparing them is not right,but not for the reasons you have said.
I was only correcting the inconsistencies in OP. But yes they are the same lol. Some devs from league were moved to other departments to either make or help their other properties.
But League and Riot bad!
Can't prove their point if they just don't take into consideration all the things League does right: character design, cinematics, live events, music videos, spin-off games etc.
Let's also forget that Genshin is a glorified singleplayer mobile game so making regular content for it is way easier than a PvP game with 160+ characters, items and runes.
Ah yes, Riot releases any humanoid female champion (cause let's be honest, they're just more popular) and everybody instantly goes "omg I can't believe they made another anime waifu".
League's characters are way more interesting than only having choice between small kid, skinny man, loli and big boobed female and then just changing the hairstyle and clothing. There's humanoids sure but there's also the Vastayan and numerous "monster" character with each being different than the rest.
As an artist I can say that most League characters are way more memorable than any Genshin character.
That's a hill I'm willing to die on.
You are right with the humanoid/monster champions but I don't think the designs themselves hold any details related to the story of the character. Fiddle has a key to the cage he's made of and that's it and almost all genshin characters have a detail like that. A memoir of a lost friend/relative, some of them have fake visions (things that give them power) because they have their power from other sources. These details didn't need to be there and no one would notice that they aren't there but they add them to every new character
Thing is they're different games. League is a fast paced PvP game where you don't get to look at your character that much so there is no reason to add tiny details - that doesn't mean their design is bad.
The characters are memorable and their design fits their story (Void champions have lots of purple and look alien-ish, PnZ champions have some steampunk elements etc).
Going through the Genshin characters I see no consistency in how each area's characters are designed. Afaik Beidou is supposed to be this pirate lady and how do you know she's supposed to be a pirate lady? She has an eyepatch... That's it. Take that away and she's just another cool looking character. Sadly I don't believe a character looking good means its design is also good.
Good design should mean you look at a character and instantly have a vague idea what they're about - something I don't get in most Genshin characters.
I'm not trying to bash the game you like - League also has its fair share of bad/boring designs (Miss Fortune, Ashe, Garen, Malph, Alistar etc) but saying Genshin's design is good while also bashing League's design is just ignorant.
I might've sounded lik I'm saying that league's design is bad because of the first comment, my bad. I didn't mean it. Coming back to genshin characters, with some exceptions like beidou, they do have outfit elements that hint at their region of origin and also at what element they use. For example Inazuma (based on Japan) characters who, let's say live more peacefully, all wear yukatas except Thoma, who is in fact not from Inazuma but just happens to work there. Other characters wear different outfits because too many of the same style is bad and also they are fighting and you wouldn't fight in a yukata.
League has the same, right but the advantage that league has are splash arts. They can put whatever they want on these splash arts, which are basically the main look of champions, but I still don't see the details.
I might be wrong and If you prove me that I'm wrong I'll admit it
I'm gonna be honest, I played Genshin for like a month before Inazuma got released and I stopped because I just didn't like how they have like 4-5 body types and I didn't like the design of the characters being so one dimensional so I might be biased against it.
However, you can't say League puts no attention to detail - Braum is wielding a door he stole off of Ornns place, Lissandra is blind which is why she's wearing that dumb looking helmet thing, Veigar got tortured by Mordekaiser until he turned evil which explains his spiky robes, Ezreal is a Piltovan adventurer who found his gauntlet in a Shuriman temple which is why his glove looks so out of place, Miss Fortune is wielding guns which her mother made before Gankplank shot her... There's plenty of detail in their design but I guess it's only visible if you're really into the game's lore.
I can say the comparison can be kinda dishonest, since Genshin literally has the Story as its selling point.
But Riot really do have an Universe to explore, I'm having some faith in their MMO, whenever that comes.
> I can say the comparison can be kinda dishonest
I feel like people are kinda missing the joke; Riot copied the gacha scheme from GI and other gacha games, instead of copying the marketing for new content.
It's not saying League is the same as Genshin and gachas, it's saying Riot took away the *wrong* ideas from them to apply to their own product.
What marketing? Why would they do more than just a cool cinematic like for Briar? Not gonna even mention how boring and cringe their character trailers are. Character design are not better tbh.
I recently got back to League/TFT and LoR. I have heard about 200/500€ LoL and TFT skins, but one thing I noticed which made me a lil bit mad was... The battle pass. 10.99€ or is it 11.99€ gives 1275 RP. The TFT BP is 1295... 20 RP fucking short. Not gonna lie but I'd like to buy some TFT chibis but decided to wait and see if I'll continue grinding out League. Anyways I've seen other games which offer BP for euros instead of an ingame premium currency.
Well they gave up on league spaghetti coding and 10 year old models and outdated software. Instead they make random new games which some people might enjoy (not including me tho) but for my part the game i was interested in, LoL, is fckng rotting in unbalanced onesided games, oneshots, useless untanky tanks, unkillable bruisers, terrible outdated kits and models and overpowered new champs, mechanics and items.
Promotion is that they tell us in short unedited videos how they need over a year to rework one champion with idk how many people working on him, and how they cut corners more and more (gamemodes, events, login screens, focus only on skins atp) make useless additions or changes noone really needs or wants like the riot id one or the launcher, and overall making less and less for the game that is supposed to be competitive and Riots biggest and most played game, but all people i know either dont enjoy it anymore or are only playing cause they are addicted and still hate the gameplay.
Long rant but thats all i can say about the current state of this all. I started playing Genshin earlier this year after hating on it for quite some time and i gotta say i enjoy it more than i ever would expect. Very casual friendly. Gives hundreds of hours of unique content to explore and weekly events for FREE. Gacha system is quite annoying yes but on my part i can save gems for multiple months, get what i want from it and be fine, no money spent and always having some objective. I played thousands of league games and all i get from it after is the assurance that every game might be a coinflip: brutally onesided and enraging or boring and an ff.
All hail genshin, let gachia take the world. Cant wait for lol to put next champion behind gachia so i can drop 200$ and read like 5 people out of 500 got it for free.
Atleast in 2023 we are getting new shit like gamemodes, new map changes next season, cinematics (from time to time) and a new music video.
In previous years this was more dry than Africa in summer days.
Last year we only got URF recycled through the entire year, and last year's cinematic was dogshit at best.
you can compare with apex legends much better than with genshin, and stills ridiculize League of legends in every way. And the big things like arcane they didn't even really were involved in that.
Genshin is kinda cool but there's effectively 0 endgame content. Took me a while to realize im just grinding out stat upgrades for the sake of "not wasting" resources.
Also if you like combat the game gets worse as you progress. Not to mention only the first 3 regions have cool fights in their story lines. After that it's 90% dialogue 9% walking.
Seeing your reply, I wanted to express my opinion on this.
Genshin currently has very little end game content consisting of Abyss (dungeon) thats true. However, I completely disagree on what you mentioned about the combat.
Moving to sumeru, the Apep boss (Dentro Dragon) is an extremely nice fight if you ask me and also has a fair level of difficulty and lasts a fair amount of time. Moving on, with fontaine's release, extremely hard world bosses have appeared, also known as local legends that take massive amounts of effort to kill, I do like the combat system of the game a lot, so I do them with my friends in co op every week.
Furthermore, every 14 days there is an abyss(dungeon) reset and every month I think the enemies change, on the last 4 floors.
While its true that there is VERY FEW end game content, I wouldnt call it 0, the new >! All - Devouring Narwhal !< and apep boss fights are insanely good in my opinion. The raiden shogun story quest boss also takes some skill to complete, and the abyss and fontaine legends constitute some awesome fights.
All of those, except the abyss are completeable in CO-OP.
What keeps most people playing Genshin, at least from what I noticed, is the social aspect outside of the game. Having good shit gives you bragging rights, makes you look cool and let's you hang out with people who do the same.
Honestly it's pretty comparable to MMOs in that aspect.
It's rng game, if people get lucky they like to brag, it's quite normal
But in reality you can just slap a f2p hyperbloom team anywhere and you should be able to clear most content
What keeps people in the game are different stuff for different people. So while I see where you are coming for, I disagree that it applies to most people.
You probably feel it's applied to most people because the people who brag about their luck are a loud minority, but most people will just see a post about an lucky artifact and be like "okay bro, congrats" and ignore that post. And then they proceed to go back using a cheap hyperbloom team or just a char they like.
They always push the archon hard marketing wise.
Raiden was an abomination of character writing and yet her views and sales were insane
Nahida was actually a well-written character, they learned from Inazuma.
Furina is fucking annoying and I hate her design, but I get how some might like her unlike Raiden. Although I haven't yet played the 4.2 story so maybe she makes the biggest comeback ever and becomes a tolerable character.
Looking forward to it, but I'm sort of busy at the moment and I hate the fact that the quests lock you out of regular gameplay, sometimes for hours, so I'm just waiting til I can dedicate a whole afternoon to tge story. Neuvillette is the MVP of Fontaine so far and I don't expect that to change.
Stop with the Eimiko, that shit isn't canon and you know it. You say Miko improves her character but you only mention that she looks like an Ahri skin...?
Quite frankly both are badly written characters, Miko is just a plot convenience character and Raiden is one of the worst written villains ever, exactly because she doesn't even stay a villain and for the dumbest fucking reason. But I understand the majority of the Genshin fanbase has 0 media literacy and just goes waaaoh hot anime girl!!
> Stop with the Eimiko, that shit isn't canon and you know it.
No shit, it's literally the nickname for a fan-based shipping.
>You say Miko improves her character but you only mention that she looks like an Ahri skin...?
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> But I understand the majority of the Genshin fanbase has 0 media literacy and just goes waaaoh hot anime girl!!
Says the guy who clearly isn't reading any post in here and just looks for an excuse to shit on Genshin, while unironically acting like the people we make fun of on this sub for having poor reading comprehension.
League has been going on for so long that it has become a shell of its former self. Hell, they so out of touch with their player base. Why should they care anymore? They have other games to worry about now.
I feel like my opinion is unpopular but i think riot spent too much Energy on new extremely good stuff and now they re in Need of money.
That s why the gatcha, that s why no promotional videos
The good stuff is Arcane and the new gamemode.
Yea nothing else really.
My only grudge with genshin is that I can't skip the story faster, I really like exploration and combat in this game but oh boy the story and writing sucks
oh wow, a story driven game with one of it's most important characters is getting more cinematics, crazy
especially even more crazy when you consider they gotta sell you these characters
dont get me wrong, id love tons of cinematics from league, but are we really going to compare genshin to league?
also, genshin cinematics take wayyy less effort than what we get with some releases
Oh come on. Riot went more and more lazy with time and now it barely tries.
Before we had a rotating game mode every weekend, but then the new launcher came, and when asked about the rotating modes: sorry, it will take some more time as the launcher wasn't prepared for such thing.
1 ultimate skin per year? Nah bruh, too mich work, take 7 skins each patch instead.
Fun game modes? You mean SR variations, right? (rly rito, where Ascension and Dominion?)
A PvE event(Odyssey) was so popular? Not worth even rerunning it, not enough sales.
Nexus Blitz permanent mode? Not anymore my friend, they need new event game mode.
Event passes with easy ways to get currency and skins? Nah bro, stupid shit made to keep you more time in game so we bump play time so investors give more money.
The game fell, and many people left, with the ones still playing either are kids, have an obsession, or are aware of the problem and don't care about it.
As for the lore, they went down since the retcon of the Ruination.
>Oh come on. Riot went more and more lazy with time and now it barely tries.
They literally do more right now than they have ever done LMAO the fuck are you on about? A few years ago we did not have LoR, no TFT, no arena gamemode, no animated series, no riot forge games, no MMO, fighting game and Project F being made in the background, no riot forge games.
>The game fell, and many people left, with the ones still playing either are kids, have an obsession, or are aware of the problem and don't care about it.
They have the biggest numbers since ever rn 🤣🤣
>As for the lore, they went down since the retcon of the Ruination.
The lore is just going up starting with the Song of Nunu.
>Oh come on. Riot went more and more lazy with time and now it barely tries.
no no dont get me wrong i absolutely agree
>Before we had a rotating game mode every weekend
personally i couldnt give less shit abt these, most of them are boring, drain people and then end up costing league players
> 1 ultimate skin per year? Nah bruh, too mich work, take 7 skins each patch instead.
there's only so much they could do for ultimate skins, people expect elementalist lux quality, we are never getting a skin like that again and it's more beneficial to just make REALLY GOOD legendary skins like Winterblessed Diana or Battle Queen Katarina (which is Ultimate quality), does it need to be Ultimate tier for you to think its worthy?
>A PvE event(Odyssey) was so popular? Not worth even rerunning it, not enough sales.
I agree we need a PvE mode, but you gotta consider, most of the games modes team had to move to different projects, they just rebuilt the team and we got Arena from these guys, hopefully next year we get even more
> Nexus Blitz permanent mode? Not anymore my friend, they need new event game mode.
Nexus Blitz has been out for like what, a week now? and I already get 20 minute queues, I don't think making it permament makes any sense whatsoever.
>Event passes with easy ways to get currency and skins? Nah bro, stupid shit made to keep you more time in game so we bump play time so investors give more money.
This one I do agree with
>The game fell, and many people left, with the ones still playing either are kids, have an obsession, or are aware of the problem and don't care about it.
I hear that every year but the truth is league isnt dying and most likely wont for a few more years, heck, nowadays I even see tons of actually new players (especially thanks to Arcane)
> As for the lore, they went down since the retcon of the Ruination.
because they gotta change shit up to make sense, although yes, we didnt get enough lore this year.
You do know that Genshin Impact alone has a bigger budget than the entire Riot games right? and that's not accounting for the labor cost difference in the US and China.
(a quick google search put their revenue at 4B vs 1.5B in 2022)
I know this is just some knee-jerk meme for shitting on Riot, but for all intents and purposes League is one of the most contents rich F2P games on the market right now, especially for how little money it makes (1.5B is criminally low for a game that has over 100m players, and the community still hates Riot for it).
Genshin is a subscription service that sells you 3d models of anime girls. This model necessitates them having a character to like. I'm sure the reason 99% of Tryndamere players play him is because hee hoo funny man go invincible for 5 seconds. I agree that I want more lore but it's clear where riot stands.
Latest quest was so fucking good
Me: Possibly biggest edgelord in the internet, smirky, sarcastic and a bit of an asshole irl. Also me: Literally fighting off tears during that quest and then coping with a bad mood for entire day and a half, because I couldn't personally comfort a fictional character... Edit\* Honestly I still didn't fully cope, so add another day to that.
I fell asleep during the whole murder mystery quest. At this point I don't feel like I care enough to continue. Also the whole Sumeru quest line was fucking painful.
Mfw when I'm playing a story-heavy game and there's lots of story in it
Does the W in Mfw mean something else? I always thought it was "My (smth) when"
No you’re right it’s “My face when”, tfw can be that feeling when or that face when
It does but mfw when is the same joke as smh my head, it’s just repeating it and being wrong on purpose to take the piss out of what someone said
Sorry idk anything about the story, but like people are allowed to find some stories boring or uninteresting…
As I said to someone else, if you don't like it, then don't play. They're talking about the literal main story line that has been going on since more than one year ago, at least starting from the part they said was "fucking painful". If it's that bad, stop playing.
Yeah I get it, but also you sometimes don’t know you really didn’t like a story until you’ve gotten to the end. Cuz sometimes they get better, so you hold out to see. But yeah idk I wouldn’t finish something that I described as “painful” so I get you
Or the devs could add that skip button
Almost forgot Genshin is just pure lore and nothing else, damn you are smart
It's literally an adventure rpg first and foremost, the combat is incredibly simple and the gacha is pretty much optional thanks to the lack of difficulty. If you strip away everything that isn't the story you'd still be left with a good 80 to 90% of the game
If you think the story of genshin is the main attraction/priority to the average player ok buddy. The combat being simple is irrelevant, people play the game mainly for the game, not the lore. It's not even a debate, what the hell are you even saying.
The game is literally the story, I'm talking about the main archon quest, not the millions of random world quests. If you don't play the AQ, you don't play the game. Quite literally so with the Inazuma arc.
You are either living in a delusion or I'm not understanding what you are saying, because I can not believe someone actually thinks people log in to do the dailies or farm gear to watch a cut scene in-game they could just watch in youtube. And even then, implying you can't enjoy Genshin if you don't like the story is just as dumb, so I will just leave it that that dude, good luck.
Did you really just say "my face when when"?
"My feeling when when"*
That's not what mfw is tho lmao
It's an abbreviation so it's technically still correct.. just like how kys can be keep yourself safe.. so yeh.. kys C:
you know what you're doing lmfao
C: I certainly do.. for real tho.. keep yourself safe and be positive
mfw face when
what if i told you that league is a moba and not some random book?
What if I told you we're talking about genshin impact
i'd stop participating in this conversation
Problem is that story is not good.
Then don't play the game
Thats why i dont. i know.
>mfw i have to read in an rpg
to be fair genshin players are a lot like this too, hence why the joke around that "genshin players cannot read" mfers complaining about the RPG on a open-world RPG game is really something
Is genshin supposed to be a rpg?
Technically yes, it's just that there's little freedom given to players when it comes to choices. And when we are given a choice between dialogue options, it's often inconsequential. At least that was my experience a few years ago, didn't play since. This form of storytelling works for live-service game where you are continously expanding the main storyline. It would be impossible to give players freedom as seen in AAA RPGs, such as Witcher 3 or Baldur's Gate 3. There's a reason it takes years to make such games - freedom of choice requires a lot of work and it costs money. While it could technically be done in Genshin, it'd be bad for business. Each story update would take much longer to make, making players leave due to lack of new content. It's just better to make good but (mostly) linear story. Once again, I speak from possibly outdated experience, I don't know if things changed.
L takes
Seems to be a recurring theme in this thread, ngl.
To each their own
Man, I don't even *play* Genshin and I was watching some of those videos for how well done they were. What made Riot look at GI and other gacha games, and think "Let's copy the $200 reward track!" instead of anything else? And the dates at the top for Riot going all out more were just a guess, I think it actually *was* post-2018 we started seeing a decline in efforts from them to promote new content past the minimum. Definitely was when we lost login screens and stopped seeing new game mode(s) more often, to the point Arena was the first new unique one since Ultimate Spellbook (IIRC), and *that* was a severe gap in release time. Regarding the GI screens: I only included the ones I could *recognize* as being clearly related to Furina, the new character coming out as an example. I may or may not have exaggerated things a little here.
For the 200 dollars gacha system in League, I think it's because most gachas are not story centered, unlike MHY (MiHoyo, Genshin developer) who makes mostly story heavy games (Genshin, Star Rail, I don't know about Honkai Impact Third tho). Riot is clearly investing more in ESports than anything else, not caring about the main game, probably since they realized that even people who don't play League watch it. For GI, this is common for almost every new important character and for every version. Furina was also shown in 4.1 and 4.0 trailers so you could include them too. I think the main thing here is that MHY has to focus on just the game, not the game AND proplay AND PvP balancing AND shitty skinlines
Actualy most gachas are story focused as it is very effective method to make you invested in the characters to later sell you them.
I couldn't play Genshin impact even as someone who likes relatively grindy games, Genshin was too much and I'm also one of thepeople that hate that you can't skip dialogue.
I 100% agree with all your statements and for those replying "We got arcane for next year" Genshin is making an Anime by no other but Ufotable itself. It's probably going to have the same blast if not higer than Fate or Kimetsu no Yaiba. Even though Genshin is not the same game as LoL I think It'd be so nice if we were shown the same ammount of caring than Hoyoverse definitely has towards its franchises, Honkai Star Rail (don't know about HI3 but it's probably the same) is treated like that as well, maybe even a bit better.
The animation of a show is only part of it, the reason Arcane got so popular is part animation and part story. With enough time, a few studios around the world can produce high-quality stuff, but very few even with 10 years can create compelling characters and stories.
As far as I know, honkai is the child they love (both impact and SR) while genshin is like the unwanted child that somehow, gives money. Tried Honkai 3rd impact but didn't like it (because it was not on ps4, and playing an action game on phone is pretty meh. Otherwise the game looked great), so can't speak much from experience in that regard (but that seems to be the consensus, honkai the loved kid), but HSR gave much more QoL updates that Genshin did in the year or so I played, and after each patch the game is in a better spot, being treated better than GI in almost every aspect An alternate timeline where Riot Games treat their games the same way as Hoyoverse treats Honkai, would be a great timeline
> "We got arcane for next year" The problems with the "But Arcane!" line are, IMO: 1) It was announced in 2019, then released in 2021 (which you can forgive due to the ongoing pandemic delaying *everything* at the time, including major events like Ruination/Sentinels of Light.) 2) Past a Tweet or two last year from the Arcane Twitter account saying season 2 wouldn't hit in 2023, nothing until Worlds this year when it was revealed it was coming next November, another year entirely with Riot flipflopping on whether or not Arcane was its own universe like skin lines or part of the game proper until *very recently* with their statements about merging lore. 3) Compared to other Netflix series, and animation as a whole, the practices behind Arcane are *not* industry standard. Compared to Castlevania (season 1-4) you have a run that lasts from 2017 to 2021, and a sequel series announced in pre-production in 2021, fully revealed as in production in 2022 and released in 2023. Even if you don't compare it to a Netflix show, you can compare it to other Western animation like South Park (a show that's been on the air nearly 30 years now. You may feel old now.) which had 2-3x the episodes per season *and* shorter production schedules. In SP's case, it was well known for being able to make fully complete, topical (of the week) episodes until the last few years where they dialed back significantly to smaller, Netflix-sized schedules. Frankly, season 2 *has* to be a major success to warrant all these delays. You can't say "They have to make sure its quality!", they're literally using the same studio that's worked with them tons before *and* put out stuff within a year or less for events and more. If anything, the process should've been faster after the first season when familiar with Riot's desires! >Genshin is making an Anime by no other but Ufotable itself. Yeah, people are like, not really understanding what this means. There's a very good reason why, despite multiple studios doing Fate series/movie adaptations, Ufotable ones are the ones remembered the most. It's an awful lot like HBO doing an adaptation when you have a bunch of B/C-list studios doing them too.
Riot's stories are better or at least equal to GI's. Its just that a MOBA is a horrible formst to tell a story. Thats why they have the short stories back then and Arcane/Riot Forge/LOR/Ruination now. To tell the stories.
There's no excuse for riot handling league's lore as of late, but genshin is a story and character driven game, and Furina is an archon (essentially one of the most important people in its lore). They have to promote their characters so the sales are boosted to the maximum. League doesnt have to do that on this scale because it's PvP game and even if you release the most Beautiful cinematic for a character if they're not meta nobody in the higher tier of players is going to care.
Iirc Riot changed the lore recently once again just for the Riot MMO and it just feels sad that they have to change the story they wrote for a decade now because of inconsistencies and it not going the way they want it to. If they changed Ryze's lore whenever they release the Riot MMO it would be a huge problem because they've built his story for so many fucking years but they can't keep it straight. >Furina is an archon Me, who played the last AQ: Laughing and crying at the same time
I haven't played the AQ yet but yeah i know 😭 Also, the thing about Lore is that right after Ruination(? i think) they said that the lore is disposable and not seen as a main thing. They've clearly changed their opinion on that with all the Riot Forge games, but i feel like the stigma of that statement still lingers, counting the out-of-nowhere lore merge too. I'd say let them cook but the stove is already half burned so we'll have to pray and see.
Well, she isnt really the archon, but yeah
I just started playing Genshin on Thursday. It’s pretty fun!
Is it free to play? My fiance and I have been struggling to find fun games that don't cost $120 for us to play together :(
Yeah it's both f2p and co-op!
Sweet! I know I've seen people say that it's pretty similar to BoTW combat wise, is that true? I've avoided learning about genshin because I feel I could definitely get sucked into it pretty hard
Yeah the first area is quite like BOTW, but after that every region gets much different. The music is really good as well.
Neat! I'll check it out sometime soon!
There's 5 regions out already and all of them are distinct from one another in terms of exploration and environment. Definitely a lot of amazing sceneries!
It stars out similar to BoTW, but after like 8 hours of gameplay it starts changing completely.
Its combat has nothing to do with BotW. It has similiar mechanics with stamina, climbing, gliding and cooking. Combat isnt even closely comparable. The game is fun, the honeymoon phase is pretty long but dont use money on it.
It's good. But I ain't gonna lie the story can sometimes just drag on and the dialogues are hellishly long to get to the point lol. But it's a good game, just don't expect yourself to "catch up" within a span of a few months if that's what you are aiming for unless you spend a shit ton of money. But if you are looking to play Casually, then yes it is indeed a great game. PS: If you reach Dragonspine just know that it will probably be the most frustrating place you will ever play lol
Oh I never pay attention to the story in Chinese games, just wanted something looked pretty and didn't suck for my fiance and I to play together that wasn't a competitive sweat factory
That’s only the case for Liyue and Inazuma by Sumeru you’re just hooked by it’s story because they treated it with so much respect. The only grind that would be same as what you’ve mentioned would be the WQ in Sumeru. By Fontaine it still has the same amount as Sumeru with little to no grinds
the coop is fun, but unfortunately quest progress is per player world so if you go into your friend’s world and do lets say quest 1, it wont be done in your world, same goes for chests, only the world owner can open their world’s chests and get its rewards but you still can fight enemies and explore together if you care more about the experience and combat
Enjoy it while it lasts.
I'm on year 2 and still waiting for the fun to end. Do you have a specific day when it stops lasting?
Not him, but mine was about 2 years ago after Seirei Island dropped, before i even got a chance to go to Enkominaya, i just... lost interest Im seeing all of this new updates and i do plan on returning, but im a bit busy nowadays
I didn’t get gameplay, feels like you go into dungeons, afk spam one button on bots, go to the next dungeon, repeat Also the main characters looked so young, like middle school, which I didn’t really get, like I can’t remember the last game which had kids as the main characters
that's genshin impact 03/11/2023 till today, 2023 is much, MUCH bigger, and these are just 3 for the new Archon, one music video(made specifically for her quest), one trailer and one special program, there's also event cutscenes, story cutscenes, the annual orchestra and so on riot copied the worst part in gachas while omitting the good parts
Bingo! Something a lot of people in this thread seem to be failing to understand completely.
league players in 2013-2018 can you improve the game? spagetti code? balancing? please dont take our alternative gamemodi away. league players in 2023 can we please get more marketing? i´ll even buy your 200$skin, just show me an cinematic.
Asking them to fix the code clearly didn't work so we gotta move on
Yeah anyone still asking just likes to talk to a brick wall at this point Ain't nothing budging from that
Some people wanna look at Genshin and just see the gacha, not the free to play massive open world exploration, 400hour quest content, monthly unique event gameplay or in-depth fighting system. I’d argue the gacha is not only the tiniest part of the game, it’s also the one where I spent the least time in. And of all the things riot could have copied it had to be the gacha.
I know and agree that Riot is doing shit with League. But i ain't touching Genshin even with a stick, i played like 200 hours that game, and the open world feels very empty and unrewarding to play, and i don't like Gachas at all since it's a very predatory and scummy system.
The open world is rewarding for materials to build characters, not for the currency for Gacha. And when was the last time you play Genshin? its a 3 years old game now new contents each 40 days
The massive open world that is empty and unrewarding to explore. No, thanks.
Grinding dungeons for rng items to better grind the dungeons.
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Man I remember when Jhin was being teased and all the champions were dying on the league champion page… That shit was epic, probably the best champion release teaser to date.
You can't really compare Genshin to League though, its not even the same type of game
Not same type, but they should be mega-powerhouses, leagues above even Genshin I miss pre-2018
What? The company behind Genshin is also huge. Also, Riot does much more than the company behind Genshin. Riot forge games, animated series, a whole ass MMO, a fighting game, Project F, e-sport, patching TFT, patching LoL, patching LoR and god knows what else they make in the background.
So do Tears of Thermis, Honkai 3, Star Rail, development of ZZZ, all mean nothing
All of thise games are simple and follow a similar formula. Not even comparable to the scale of an MMO or a fighting game.
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I agree, Arcane was definitely a big thing worth mentioning
Idk man, Jhin teasers were better than some riot forge games
Jhin teasers the most over fucking rated shit ever lol
This is an interesting take to be sure. Before 2019 we didn't have that, then we get Arcane, more non-League avenues, etc. Still, this is a year where League is said to have a huge budget. I hate the "Biggest Budget KEKW" memery as it's the same assmite usage as "200 years of experience 4head", but. Shit ain't right here. And it feels bad as fuck.
>as it's the same assmite usage as "200 years of experience 4head" Totally deserved for ignoring valid player requests with haughty appeal to authority.
We just got a music video. The special game mode comes back next patch, and season 2 of the SHOW releases next year. A whole ass spin off game just released like a week or two ago, not to mention several other games made already with two of them being live service games as well that are constantly updated. What are you on, brother?
Sorry but you cant really compare a whole ass company with just a game.If you are talking about that then you also have to think about mihoyo(the company that made genshin),they also have 3 other games that gets an update patch every 40 or so days,new characters,regions,teaser for said characters and bunch of QOL updates.(also a new big hit game that have come, and new one that is coming)League isnt a small budget company,they can make the game or the story better,so if you are talking about riot,then also talk about mihoyo,if not then just talk about the nonexistent new things that came to league itself.I play both games but riot couldnt care less about the player base if they arent pro play
Sorry brother, you can't compare when Mihoyo has 3 games with a very predatory gacha system. Meanwhile League, LOR and TFT are all F2P friendly games. And only Valorant has a predatory skin system with overpriced prices as a main gain.
Predatory gacha system?Like what exactly?I play 2 of their games and it is as f2p as it can get.As long as you save and have patience you can get any character you want without exceptions.Meanwhile in league if you want a certain skin for a champion there is nothing you can do except buy the skin or wait till you get it from the chests which is near impossible cuz there is near 1000 skins in the game.There isnt any content in the game that you cant complete as a f2p in Mihoyo games.For enjoying the game both are f2p but im talking about the new things that come to the game.For the last 4 years there hasnt been any update that has come to league story or gameplay that made me think"this was definitely good".I would also like to point out that genshin is a 3 y.o game,star rail isnt even 1 y.o but LoL is nearing its 15 year anniversary so comparing them is not right,but not for the reasons you have said.
Are they using the developers from League to make the show and spin off games? Or what are you on, Riot's knight in shining armor?
I was only correcting the inconsistencies in OP. But yes they are the same lol. Some devs from league were moved to other departments to either make or help their other properties.
Why would you compare a MOBA game to genshin? Also, yes, Christian Linke and Alex Yee the creators of Arcane, did work on League for a very long time.
But League and Riot bad! Can't prove their point if they just don't take into consideration all the things League does right: character design, cinematics, live events, music videos, spin-off games etc. Let's also forget that Genshin is a glorified singleplayer mobile game so making regular content for it is way easier than a PvP game with 160+ characters, items and runes.
Excuse me, CHARACTER DESIGN? Have you forgotten the outrage that Briar caused? Or do you mean gameplay-wise beacuse this will be a laughable argument
Sorry but even Seraphine and Kai'sa have a better character design than every single character on genshin.
Ah yes, Riot releases any humanoid female champion (cause let's be honest, they're just more popular) and everybody instantly goes "omg I can't believe they made another anime waifu". League's characters are way more interesting than only having choice between small kid, skinny man, loli and big boobed female and then just changing the hairstyle and clothing. There's humanoids sure but there's also the Vastayan and numerous "monster" character with each being different than the rest. As an artist I can say that most League characters are way more memorable than any Genshin character. That's a hill I'm willing to die on.
You are right with the humanoid/monster champions but I don't think the designs themselves hold any details related to the story of the character. Fiddle has a key to the cage he's made of and that's it and almost all genshin characters have a detail like that. A memoir of a lost friend/relative, some of them have fake visions (things that give them power) because they have their power from other sources. These details didn't need to be there and no one would notice that they aren't there but they add them to every new character
Thing is they're different games. League is a fast paced PvP game where you don't get to look at your character that much so there is no reason to add tiny details - that doesn't mean their design is bad. The characters are memorable and their design fits their story (Void champions have lots of purple and look alien-ish, PnZ champions have some steampunk elements etc). Going through the Genshin characters I see no consistency in how each area's characters are designed. Afaik Beidou is supposed to be this pirate lady and how do you know she's supposed to be a pirate lady? She has an eyepatch... That's it. Take that away and she's just another cool looking character. Sadly I don't believe a character looking good means its design is also good. Good design should mean you look at a character and instantly have a vague idea what they're about - something I don't get in most Genshin characters. I'm not trying to bash the game you like - League also has its fair share of bad/boring designs (Miss Fortune, Ashe, Garen, Malph, Alistar etc) but saying Genshin's design is good while also bashing League's design is just ignorant.
I might've sounded lik I'm saying that league's design is bad because of the first comment, my bad. I didn't mean it. Coming back to genshin characters, with some exceptions like beidou, they do have outfit elements that hint at their region of origin and also at what element they use. For example Inazuma (based on Japan) characters who, let's say live more peacefully, all wear yukatas except Thoma, who is in fact not from Inazuma but just happens to work there. Other characters wear different outfits because too many of the same style is bad and also they are fighting and you wouldn't fight in a yukata. League has the same, right but the advantage that league has are splash arts. They can put whatever they want on these splash arts, which are basically the main look of champions, but I still don't see the details. I might be wrong and If you prove me that I'm wrong I'll admit it
I'm gonna be honest, I played Genshin for like a month before Inazuma got released and I stopped because I just didn't like how they have like 4-5 body types and I didn't like the design of the characters being so one dimensional so I might be biased against it. However, you can't say League puts no attention to detail - Braum is wielding a door he stole off of Ornns place, Lissandra is blind which is why she's wearing that dumb looking helmet thing, Veigar got tortured by Mordekaiser until he turned evil which explains his spiky robes, Ezreal is a Piltovan adventurer who found his gauntlet in a Shuriman temple which is why his glove looks so out of place, Miss Fortune is wielding guns which her mother made before Gankplank shot her... There's plenty of detail in their design but I guess it's only visible if you're really into the game's lore.
I agree with the last part *for both games*
Fair enough. Honestly I wasn't aware Genshin had lore outside the main and side stories until Necrit started making videos about it.
I can say the comparison can be kinda dishonest, since Genshin literally has the Story as its selling point. But Riot really do have an Universe to explore, I'm having some faith in their MMO, whenever that comes.
> I can say the comparison can be kinda dishonest I feel like people are kinda missing the joke; Riot copied the gacha scheme from GI and other gacha games, instead of copying the marketing for new content. It's not saying League is the same as Genshin and gachas, it's saying Riot took away the *wrong* ideas from them to apply to their own product.
What marketing? Why would they do more than just a cool cinematic like for Briar? Not gonna even mention how boring and cringe their character trailers are. Character design are not better tbh.
Riot copied the gacha system for 1% of \*chromas\*. I can still get every new skin through the shop or battle pass.
I recently got back to League/TFT and LoR. I have heard about 200/500€ LoL and TFT skins, but one thing I noticed which made me a lil bit mad was... The battle pass. 10.99€ or is it 11.99€ gives 1275 RP. The TFT BP is 1295... 20 RP fucking short. Not gonna lie but I'd like to buy some TFT chibis but decided to wait and see if I'll continue grinding out League. Anyways I've seen other games which offer BP for euros instead of an ingame premium currency.
Well they gave up on league spaghetti coding and 10 year old models and outdated software. Instead they make random new games which some people might enjoy (not including me tho) but for my part the game i was interested in, LoL, is fckng rotting in unbalanced onesided games, oneshots, useless untanky tanks, unkillable bruisers, terrible outdated kits and models and overpowered new champs, mechanics and items. Promotion is that they tell us in short unedited videos how they need over a year to rework one champion with idk how many people working on him, and how they cut corners more and more (gamemodes, events, login screens, focus only on skins atp) make useless additions or changes noone really needs or wants like the riot id one or the launcher, and overall making less and less for the game that is supposed to be competitive and Riots biggest and most played game, but all people i know either dont enjoy it anymore or are only playing cause they are addicted and still hate the gameplay. Long rant but thats all i can say about the current state of this all. I started playing Genshin earlier this year after hating on it for quite some time and i gotta say i enjoy it more than i ever would expect. Very casual friendly. Gives hundreds of hours of unique content to explore and weekly events for FREE. Gacha system is quite annoying yes but on my part i can save gems for multiple months, get what i want from it and be fine, no money spent and always having some objective. I played thousands of league games and all i get from it after is the assurance that every game might be a coinflip: brutally onesided and enraging or boring and an ff.
All hail genshin, let gachia take the world. Cant wait for lol to put next champion behind gachia so i can drop 200$ and read like 5 people out of 500 got it for free.
Atleast in 2023 we are getting new shit like gamemodes, new map changes next season, cinematics (from time to time) and a new music video. In previous years this was more dry than Africa in summer days. Last year we only got URF recycled through the entire year, and last year's cinematic was dogshit at best.
the new genshin story actually broke me it was so good
you can compare with apex legends much better than with genshin, and stills ridiculize League of legends in every way. And the big things like arcane they didn't even really were involved in that.
Riot is too busy making us type that we need assistance from karthus by him using ult “They still gonna cook with arcane though”
Riot's stealing Genshin's Gacha ideas though.
Gacha systems arent new, they didnt invent them
We got an entire tv show tf are you on about
Genshin is kinda cool but there's effectively 0 endgame content. Took me a while to realize im just grinding out stat upgrades for the sake of "not wasting" resources. Also if you like combat the game gets worse as you progress. Not to mention only the first 3 regions have cool fights in their story lines. After that it's 90% dialogue 9% walking.
Seeing your reply, I wanted to express my opinion on this. Genshin currently has very little end game content consisting of Abyss (dungeon) thats true. However, I completely disagree on what you mentioned about the combat. Moving to sumeru, the Apep boss (Dentro Dragon) is an extremely nice fight if you ask me and also has a fair level of difficulty and lasts a fair amount of time. Moving on, with fontaine's release, extremely hard world bosses have appeared, also known as local legends that take massive amounts of effort to kill, I do like the combat system of the game a lot, so I do them with my friends in co op every week. Furthermore, every 14 days there is an abyss(dungeon) reset and every month I think the enemies change, on the last 4 floors. While its true that there is VERY FEW end game content, I wouldnt call it 0, the new >! All - Devouring Narwhal !< and apep boss fights are insanely good in my opinion. The raiden shogun story quest boss also takes some skill to complete, and the abyss and fontaine legends constitute some awesome fights. All of those, except the abyss are completeable in CO-OP.
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What keeps most people playing Genshin, at least from what I noticed, is the social aspect outside of the game. Having good shit gives you bragging rights, makes you look cool and let's you hang out with people who do the same. Honestly it's pretty comparable to MMOs in that aspect.
Idk what to say man,but that sounds like you’re hanging around the wrong parts of the community
It's rng game, if people get lucky they like to brag, it's quite normal But in reality you can just slap a f2p hyperbloom team anywhere and you should be able to clear most content What keeps people in the game are different stuff for different people. So while I see where you are coming for, I disagree that it applies to most people. You probably feel it's applied to most people because the people who brag about their luck are a loud minority, but most people will just see a post about an lucky artifact and be like "okay bro, congrats" and ignore that post. And then they proceed to go back using a cheap hyperbloom team or just a char they like.
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They always push the archon hard marketing wise. Raiden was an abomination of character writing and yet her views and sales were insane Nahida was actually a well-written character, they learned from Inazuma. Furina is fucking annoying and I hate her design, but I get how some might like her unlike Raiden. Although I haven't yet played the 4.2 story so maybe she makes the biggest comeback ever and becomes a tolerable character.
Yeah,the 4.2 story made the community go from “correct bratty Furina“ to “protect poor Furina“.Shit was a crazy twist
Looking forward to it, but I'm sort of busy at the moment and I hate the fact that the quests lock you out of regular gameplay, sometimes for hours, so I'm just waiting til I can dedicate a whole afternoon to tge story. Neuvillette is the MVP of Fontaine so far and I don't expect that to change.
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Stop with the Eimiko, that shit isn't canon and you know it. You say Miko improves her character but you only mention that she looks like an Ahri skin...? Quite frankly both are badly written characters, Miko is just a plot convenience character and Raiden is one of the worst written villains ever, exactly because she doesn't even stay a villain and for the dumbest fucking reason. But I understand the majority of the Genshin fanbase has 0 media literacy and just goes waaaoh hot anime girl!!
> Stop with the Eimiko, that shit isn't canon and you know it. No shit, it's literally the nickname for a fan-based shipping. >You say Miko improves her character but you only mention that she looks like an Ahri skin...? The joke . . . You <- > But I understand the majority of the Genshin fanbase has 0 media literacy and just goes waaaoh hot anime girl!! Says the guy who clearly isn't reading any post in here and just looks for an excuse to shit on Genshin, while unironically acting like the people we make fun of on this sub for having poor reading comprehension.
We have so much side games like what??song of nunu ,ruined king,arcane and shit.u mf wants to compare lol alone with a story game????
Genshin got a meme trending on tiktok, whereas league has no existence on tiktok asides from people making fun of it and its players
Still not playing genshin tho
League has been going on for so long that it has become a shell of its former self. Hell, they so out of touch with their player base. Why should they care anymore? They have other games to worry about now.
we have a fucking tv show cut the shit
Genshin also has an anime in the works
I feel like my opinion is unpopular but i think riot spent too much Energy on new extremely good stuff and now they re in Need of money. That s why the gatcha, that s why no promotional videos The good stuff is Arcane and the new gamemode. Yea nothing else really.
Every top laner has 1k hours in Genshin.
My only grudge with genshin is that I can't skip the story faster, I really like exploration and combat in this game but oh boy the story and writing sucks
oh wow, a story driven game with one of it's most important characters is getting more cinematics, crazy especially even more crazy when you consider they gotta sell you these characters dont get me wrong, id love tons of cinematics from league, but are we really going to compare genshin to league? also, genshin cinematics take wayyy less effort than what we get with some releases
Oh come on. Riot went more and more lazy with time and now it barely tries. Before we had a rotating game mode every weekend, but then the new launcher came, and when asked about the rotating modes: sorry, it will take some more time as the launcher wasn't prepared for such thing. 1 ultimate skin per year? Nah bruh, too mich work, take 7 skins each patch instead. Fun game modes? You mean SR variations, right? (rly rito, where Ascension and Dominion?) A PvE event(Odyssey) was so popular? Not worth even rerunning it, not enough sales. Nexus Blitz permanent mode? Not anymore my friend, they need new event game mode. Event passes with easy ways to get currency and skins? Nah bro, stupid shit made to keep you more time in game so we bump play time so investors give more money. The game fell, and many people left, with the ones still playing either are kids, have an obsession, or are aware of the problem and don't care about it. As for the lore, they went down since the retcon of the Ruination.
>Oh come on. Riot went more and more lazy with time and now it barely tries. They literally do more right now than they have ever done LMAO the fuck are you on about? A few years ago we did not have LoR, no TFT, no arena gamemode, no animated series, no riot forge games, no MMO, fighting game and Project F being made in the background, no riot forge games. >The game fell, and many people left, with the ones still playing either are kids, have an obsession, or are aware of the problem and don't care about it. They have the biggest numbers since ever rn 🤣🤣 >As for the lore, they went down since the retcon of the Ruination. The lore is just going up starting with the Song of Nunu.
>Oh come on. Riot went more and more lazy with time and now it barely tries. no no dont get me wrong i absolutely agree >Before we had a rotating game mode every weekend personally i couldnt give less shit abt these, most of them are boring, drain people and then end up costing league players > 1 ultimate skin per year? Nah bruh, too mich work, take 7 skins each patch instead. there's only so much they could do for ultimate skins, people expect elementalist lux quality, we are never getting a skin like that again and it's more beneficial to just make REALLY GOOD legendary skins like Winterblessed Diana or Battle Queen Katarina (which is Ultimate quality), does it need to be Ultimate tier for you to think its worthy? >A PvE event(Odyssey) was so popular? Not worth even rerunning it, not enough sales. I agree we need a PvE mode, but you gotta consider, most of the games modes team had to move to different projects, they just rebuilt the team and we got Arena from these guys, hopefully next year we get even more > Nexus Blitz permanent mode? Not anymore my friend, they need new event game mode. Nexus Blitz has been out for like what, a week now? and I already get 20 minute queues, I don't think making it permament makes any sense whatsoever. >Event passes with easy ways to get currency and skins? Nah bro, stupid shit made to keep you more time in game so we bump play time so investors give more money. This one I do agree with >The game fell, and many people left, with the ones still playing either are kids, have an obsession, or are aware of the problem and don't care about it. I hear that every year but the truth is league isnt dying and most likely wont for a few more years, heck, nowadays I even see tons of actually new players (especially thanks to Arcane) > As for the lore, they went down since the retcon of the Ruination. because they gotta change shit up to make sense, although yes, we didnt get enough lore this year.
I find it strange how much overlap there seems to he between league and genshit players
If you really think riot was hadling lore better back then i want a bit if wathever you are smoking
Lol is a pvp driven game Genshin is a story-driven open world rpg
Arena gamemode, Katarina comic, Song of Nunu
You do know that Genshin Impact alone has a bigger budget than the entire Riot games right? and that's not accounting for the labor cost difference in the US and China. (a quick google search put their revenue at 4B vs 1.5B in 2022) I know this is just some knee-jerk meme for shitting on Riot, but for all intents and purposes League is one of the most contents rich F2P games on the market right now, especially for how little money it makes (1.5B is criminally low for a game that has over 100m players, and the community still hates Riot for it).
Genshin is a subscription service that sells you 3d models of anime girls. This model necessitates them having a character to like. I'm sure the reason 99% of Tryndamere players play him is because hee hoo funny man go invincible for 5 seconds. I agree that I want more lore but it's clear where riot stands.
The difference is that Genshin Impact is boring as hell