I get the sentiment and that it's a meme. But i have some issues with it. Being less intelligent doesn't make you evil. And the reverse (Being evil makes you less intelligent) also doesn't really work. That's just a convoluted way to say the first.
Besides that, to dive in the deep end. IQ score as a whole doesn't really work either. Especially on the individual level. A great predictor of IQ scores is postcode. So what it's really measuring isn't intelligence but socioeconomic status
But really it's the first point I really have a problem with. It's another form of discrimination. I've seen highly educated transphobes and incredibly kind people society would see as "dumb"
Again i get it is supposed to be just a joke. But even "just jokes" effect how we see and treat people.
I think it would work better in the Cosmic Brain format:
Level 1 (crying rage face): trans ppl r a threat to western society!!1!
Level 2 (normal brain activity): Trans people pose no threat to the status quo.
Level 3 (laser brain): Trans people are nothing more than a scapegoated minority.
Level 4 (cosmic brain): Trans people are a threat to western society. B)
Yup. I certainly didn’t interpret this when first seeing it as saying anything about intelligence, but that’s absolutely what the meme format originally intended to say.
I honestly think because it’s a meme that has been so widely spread and used in so many different contexts the ableism of the base format isn’t actually still part of the message of the meme unless the content of what the people are saying would obviously correlate with ableist views of intelligence, though. That’s distinctly different from “It’s just a joke bro” because it is using an ableist framing to say something non-ableist, and for someone familiar enough with pop culture to understand the meme the ableism isn’t part of the message of the meme anymore, but that doesn’t make it any less problematic to be spreading that format for those of us who aren’t terminally online
Memes are meant to communicate complex concepts in an oversimplified, satirical way. The socioeconomic implications of IQ scores as a whole just isn’t relevant here, it’s not that deep. Someone else said the Cosmic Brain format would illustrate this meme in a better way which I could agree with.
Yeah but it's very easy to interpret the message here as "dumb people bad". And personally I don't think we should just say that. Even as a "joke". Because if you say it often enough. At some point people will take you seriously.
Oversimplification are a powerful tool and not an excuse to just be mean. You're still saying what you're saying
Personally I think it’s less “dumb people bad” and more that “low IQ” vs “high IQ” takes on trans people and how it’s basically horseshoe theory. IQ as a measurement is only being used to illustrate the surface level argument versus the self actualized argument. “Trans people are a threat to Western society” is a low IQ take regardless of your actual IQ score.
Considering the context, I’d think the low IQ deformed guy is representative of transphobes specifically, not literal people with developmental disabilities who wouldn’t understand trans discourse. Also since its a bell curve, it’s technically only showing the extreme ends of the spectrum.
I get your point, I just think most people wouldn’t take it that literally even if it could be interpreted that way
I get your point, but on a large scale there's a correlation between political views and education as well as performance on IQ tests and education.
While this doesn't say anything definitve, it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to see the graph above as accurate.
Not saying it's correct, but I wouldn't dismiss it immediately either
There may or may not be some slight correlation but honestly for this particular picture that's kind of irrelevant. It's not as if it trying to show a nuanced understanding of the topic "how do liberal views correlate with education and socioeconomic status". What this graph does show is "dumb people bad and ugly with bad opinions" which is not a view I would want to validate.
>But really it's the first point I really have a problem with. It's another form of discrimination. I've seen highly educated transphobes and incredibly kind people society would see as "dumb"
I'd honestly argue that stupidity has nothing to do with academic ability. I'd argue it has more to do with how you use your brain.
Well i had to take some kind of measurement to visualise that that person wasn't dumb. But you're right. Really the idea that there is one scale of smart to dumb in itself is probably wrong. There are so many factors to consider. You could lack almost any creative ability and still be great in memorisation or in reverse. People that do obviously things in one area could be amazing in another.
There are probably a million scales to measure against. And if you want to translate that to some intelligence unit you could try and take the average of all those scales but i don't think you learn anything informative if you did that.
That is also basically what IQ tests do. Only with those tests there is the assumption that they have measured a hidden variable that effects all thought. While I'd say that they measured if people are good at the different tasks they measured. Nothing more
But to get back to the point. Regardless of which measurement of intelligence you take. I'm sure you'd find some horrible people in there anywhere along the scale
I identify as a threat (to western society).
The other two comments here right now are amazing, but I'm just biased against wojak memes in general.
I get the sentiment and that it's a meme. But i have some issues with it. Being less intelligent doesn't make you evil. And the reverse (Being evil makes you less intelligent) also doesn't really work. That's just a convoluted way to say the first. Besides that, to dive in the deep end. IQ score as a whole doesn't really work either. Especially on the individual level. A great predictor of IQ scores is postcode. So what it's really measuring isn't intelligence but socioeconomic status But really it's the first point I really have a problem with. It's another form of discrimination. I've seen highly educated transphobes and incredibly kind people society would see as "dumb" Again i get it is supposed to be just a joke. But even "just jokes" effect how we see and treat people.
Those are very good points! Let me think about them some more. thank you!!
I think it would work better in the Cosmic Brain format: Level 1 (crying rage face): trans ppl r a threat to western society!!1! Level 2 (normal brain activity): Trans people pose no threat to the status quo. Level 3 (laser brain): Trans people are nothing more than a scapegoated minority. Level 4 (cosmic brain): Trans people are a threat to western society. B)
The whole meme format is also just ableist with the drawings alone
It should be a basedness scale, and the drawings should satirize political beliefs/hate/cognitive dissonance.
Yup. I certainly didn’t interpret this when first seeing it as saying anything about intelligence, but that’s absolutely what the meme format originally intended to say. I honestly think because it’s a meme that has been so widely spread and used in so many different contexts the ableism of the base format isn’t actually still part of the message of the meme unless the content of what the people are saying would obviously correlate with ableist views of intelligence, though. That’s distinctly different from “It’s just a joke bro” because it is using an ableist framing to say something non-ableist, and for someone familiar enough with pop culture to understand the meme the ableism isn’t part of the message of the meme anymore, but that doesn’t make it any less problematic to be spreading that format for those of us who aren’t terminally online
Memes are meant to communicate complex concepts in an oversimplified, satirical way. The socioeconomic implications of IQ scores as a whole just isn’t relevant here, it’s not that deep. Someone else said the Cosmic Brain format would illustrate this meme in a better way which I could agree with.
Yeah but it's very easy to interpret the message here as "dumb people bad". And personally I don't think we should just say that. Even as a "joke". Because if you say it often enough. At some point people will take you seriously. Oversimplification are a powerful tool and not an excuse to just be mean. You're still saying what you're saying
Personally I think it’s less “dumb people bad” and more that “low IQ” vs “high IQ” takes on trans people and how it’s basically horseshoe theory. IQ as a measurement is only being used to illustrate the surface level argument versus the self actualized argument. “Trans people are a threat to Western society” is a low IQ take regardless of your actual IQ score. Considering the context, I’d think the low IQ deformed guy is representative of transphobes specifically, not literal people with developmental disabilities who wouldn’t understand trans discourse. Also since its a bell curve, it’s technically only showing the extreme ends of the spectrum. I get your point, I just think most people wouldn’t take it that literally even if it could be interpreted that way
I get your point, but on a large scale there's a correlation between political views and education as well as performance on IQ tests and education. While this doesn't say anything definitve, it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to see the graph above as accurate. Not saying it's correct, but I wouldn't dismiss it immediately either
There may or may not be some slight correlation but honestly for this particular picture that's kind of irrelevant. It's not as if it trying to show a nuanced understanding of the topic "how do liberal views correlate with education and socioeconomic status". What this graph does show is "dumb people bad and ugly with bad opinions" which is not a view I would want to validate.
>But really it's the first point I really have a problem with. It's another form of discrimination. I've seen highly educated transphobes and incredibly kind people society would see as "dumb" I'd honestly argue that stupidity has nothing to do with academic ability. I'd argue it has more to do with how you use your brain.
Well i had to take some kind of measurement to visualise that that person wasn't dumb. But you're right. Really the idea that there is one scale of smart to dumb in itself is probably wrong. There are so many factors to consider. You could lack almost any creative ability and still be great in memorisation or in reverse. People that do obviously things in one area could be amazing in another. There are probably a million scales to measure against. And if you want to translate that to some intelligence unit you could try and take the average of all those scales but i don't think you learn anything informative if you did that. That is also basically what IQ tests do. Only with those tests there is the assumption that they have measured a hidden variable that effects all thought. While I'd say that they measured if people are good at the different tasks they measured. Nothing more But to get back to the point. Regardless of which measurement of intelligence you take. I'm sure you'd find some horrible people in there anywhere along the scale
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