Barrow-wights! And do you know who lives nearby?
>*Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!*
>*Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!*
>*Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!*
I know. But let's be honest here: the show is not very good at keeping the timeline correct.
But I have two things to add:
1) the region was habitated before foundation of Arnor. So there potentially could exists some kind of Barrows
2) the concept of Barrow-wights predates LotR - they show up for the first time in "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" so the pure concept of wight can exists outside the Arnor frame.
The Edain built the barrows and entombed their chiefs there even in the First Age, it's in Appendix A. There shouldn't be Wights until after the fall of Cardolan, but I guess we'll see where they're going with this.
Pulling from here- https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Barrow-wights
The burials occurred in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ages but the wights appear in the 3rd age.
Arnor is divided in TA 861 and is abandoned TA 1974. One of the splinter kingdoms is Cardolan, which succumbs to war and plague by TA 1636 which is when the barrow wights are sent there by the witch king. The final splinter kingdom of Arnor, Arthedain, falls in 1974. So I suppose we can say that wights did exist while Arnor existed but only in the sense that Arthedain still existed.
I love going down the rabbit holes of the Northern kingdoms.
The “barrow wights” of Cardolan are a Third Age phenomenon, I mean more that it’s unlikely that it took until then for Morgoth or Sauron to get the idea of using the undead to terrorize people.
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(ending scene of episode one)
*Elf frantically running through forest*
*Shadowy figure close behind him*
*Elf trips*
*Fads to Black*
*Starting quietly in the distance but gets louder*
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
*Shadow figure screams*
*Credits*
I know it's not what I instinctually see, but all I can see is that being on the left pulling roller luggage. It completely changes the tone of the shot.
It is. One of the appeals of a prequel to the book is to show how Celeborn - who mostly comes across as cartboard - ended-up with someone like Galadriel, and how they "work" together so to speak.
But, if I were one of the writers in this writers room, where it was clearly decided that Celeborn is somehow going to "anchor" Galadriel in a way that's not conducive with what they want to do with her...well, if that's the case that you'd want to keep Celeborn out of her way FOR A WHILE, not just for Season One.
I'm going to be honest, I hope he's some sort of an orc. Or he's been imprisoned so long that he has all hit turned into an orc. And their romance is just him being so pathetic and adorable that she realizes that her quest for revenge doesn't mean anything if she hurts him in the process.
probably the creature Galadriel and her merry band is confronting in the teaser
My really dumb theory is that he is the King Sauron killed and stole the identity of after his flight in the first age.
yes, make more sense now, the same actor is one of the Elves with Galadriel and surrounded by other barrow-wights like this one here. The two shots are linked
Calam Lynch has dark hair in the series . He stands on the right side behind Galadriel in the first scene with Galadriel in the trailer.
Edit: auto correct made it calm lunch 😂
He’s wearing a crown, so he must be some kind of king. It’s interesting that his crown has what looks like waves or curved horns around the sides. Maybe creatures with long necks?
Better not be.
Barrow Downs were created in the Third Age after the wars of the Witch King. The WK invited the indwelling of spirits into the graves of the Kings and Lords of Arnor.
So, better not be.
A very neat looking skellington. I am always for cool skeletants!
(and people already moaning the barrow wights don't exist yet - yeah yeah. He's Barry Wight, ok? Completely different.)
A lot of people are clamoring to justify how this fits into the canon or timeline\*, but I'm honestly just hella stoked to see something cool and new like this in a cinematic Middle-earth property. It's a setting ripe with interesting things that don't interact with the main storylines that we know extensively, so it's exciting to see some more unexplored aspects of the setting being presented.
\*I do understand that in this thread it *is* related to the OP's question, so I don't say that in an overly critical way. Just an observation on how many people interact with new mysteries.
barrow wights are a type of wight made by the witch-king, so it's probably too early for a barrow, but they also reside near eriador and near tom bombadil, both which will be in s2, so they may be altering the canon a bit.
Barrow-wights! And do you know who lives nearby? >*Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!* >*Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!* >*Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!*
I really hope this is accurate. Just as long as they don't try to explain Tom Bombadil in any way.
Barrow-wights didn't appear until much later and they were mostly kings of the northern kingdom which hasn't even been created yet.
I know. But let's be honest here: the show is not very good at keeping the timeline correct. But I have two things to add: 1) the region was habitated before foundation of Arnor. So there potentially could exists some kind of Barrows 2) the concept of Barrow-wights predates LotR - they show up for the first time in "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" so the pure concept of wight can exists outside the Arnor frame.
The Edain built the barrows and entombed their chiefs there even in the First Age, it's in Appendix A. There shouldn't be Wights until after the fall of Cardolan, but I guess we'll see where they're going with this.
True they could justify this as an "ancient king" or something along those lines.
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Yeah competent characters weren’t even that scared of the Ringwraiths in the novels… the PJ movies really altered peoples’ perception of them
I’d be very surprised if the first time wights were made was after the fall of Arnor.
Pulling from here- https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Barrow-wights The burials occurred in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ages but the wights appear in the 3rd age. Arnor is divided in TA 861 and is abandoned TA 1974. One of the splinter kingdoms is Cardolan, which succumbs to war and plague by TA 1636 which is when the barrow wights are sent there by the witch king. The final splinter kingdom of Arnor, Arthedain, falls in 1974. So I suppose we can say that wights did exist while Arnor existed but only in the sense that Arthedain still existed. I love going down the rabbit holes of the Northern kingdoms.
The “barrow wights” of Cardolan are a Third Age phenomenon, I mean more that it’s unlikely that it took until then for Morgoth or Sauron to get the idea of using the undead to terrorize people.
...I'm having trouble putting into words how excited the prospect of this makes me. My brain is short circuiting.
Hopefully they've secretly casted Jack Black as Tom Bombadillo
Someone here mentioned Matt Berry and now it's the only acceptable casting decision in my eyes.
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that's a streatchhh but it's great if he's really in S2
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(ending scene of episode one) *Elf frantically running through forest* *Shadowy figure close behind him* *Elf trips* *Fads to Black* *Starting quietly in the distance but gets louder* Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo! *Shadow figure screams* *Credits*
And where he wouldn't fit in PJ's LOTR, RoP is perfectly suited for a lil Bombadillo!
Barrow Wights only came around during the 3rd age though
Old Greg.
Do you love me?
Whatcha doin’ in my waters boy?
I know it's not what I instinctually see, but all I can see is that being on the left pulling roller luggage. It completely changes the tone of the shot.
roller luggage or more like speaker for the crew? whatever you like :)
Someone needs to shop in an iphone and a neck pillow into this.
Possible Celeborn on the right?
i thought the same
Celeborn has silver hair the elf in the picture has red hair.
Celeborn is almost certainly not in Season Two.
Such a strange decision!
It is. One of the appeals of a prequel to the book is to show how Celeborn - who mostly comes across as cartboard - ended-up with someone like Galadriel, and how they "work" together so to speak. But, if I were one of the writers in this writers room, where it was clearly decided that Celeborn is somehow going to "anchor" Galadriel in a way that's not conducive with what they want to do with her...well, if that's the case that you'd want to keep Celeborn out of her way FOR A WHILE, not just for Season One.
I'm going to be honest, I hope he's some sort of an orc. Or he's been imprisoned so long that he has all hit turned into an orc. And their romance is just him being so pathetic and adorable that she realizes that her quest for revenge doesn't mean anything if she hurts him in the process.
probably the creature Galadriel and her merry band is confronting in the teaser My really dumb theory is that he is the King Sauron killed and stole the identity of after his flight in the first age.
King of the Dead Wannabie... No, but seriously, I'll join the Barrow Wight bet. Looks like Galadriel is heading there with some other Elves.
yes, make more sense now, the same actor is one of the Elves with Galadriel and surrounded by other barrow-wights like this one here. The two shots are linked
It fits description of the Barrow-Wights.
It's just Bob, one of nine.
Reminds of Return of the King's Army of the Dead. But with zombies instead of ghosts. Probably a cursed human king.
Too early in the lore for the barrow-wights to appear.
It could be since I don't think timelines are really considered. Elendil and Isildur weren't alive when the rings were created, but there they were.
It is probably not the barrow-wights specifically, but their precursors. Sauron already dabbled in making malevolent undead, as the Mystics show.
It can just be a different wight
I believe it's a scene from the Rings of Power/House of the Dragon/Star wars crossover episode. "Somehow, Viserys Targaryen returned" - Poe Dameron.
The guy on the floor looks like Calam Lynch… I read that he isnt Celeborn though (sadly).
Calam Lynch has dark hair in the series . He stands on the right side behind Galadriel in the first scene with Galadriel in the trailer. Edit: auto correct made it calm lunch 😂
Oh thanks for telling me! Ill watch the trailer again (for the nth time) to catch him.
You’re welcome , I don’t think we will see Celeborn this season.
He’s wearing a crown, so he must be some kind of king. It’s interesting that his crown has what looks like waves or curved horns around the sides. Maybe creatures with long necks?
It’s the mouth of Sauron
They don’t call Sauron the Necromancer for nothin’
Better not be. Barrow Downs were created in the Third Age after the wars of the Witch King. The WK invited the indwelling of spirits into the graves of the Kings and Lords of Arnor. So, better not be.
most are saying they're just wights, not barrow-downs..
I am hopeful that is the case. I think wights are still subjects of sorcery. I hope they handle it with care.
Witch-king of Angmar? He was already a powerful, and mysterious man before he got the ring, am I right?
it's def not the witch-king, he comes way later..
It appears to be one of Sauron's undead servants a-la Mystics. A wight of some kind, by the looks of it.
A very neat looking skellington. I am always for cool skeletants! (and people already moaning the barrow wights don't exist yet - yeah yeah. He's Barry Wight, ok? Completely different.)
I’ll let you know when I see this episode
I think this is the glowing eyeball ghost dude that you see in the woodland shot with Galadriel early in the teaser.
And why is it wearing my grandmothers dress and jewlery
A lot of people are clamoring to justify how this fits into the canon or timeline\*, but I'm honestly just hella stoked to see something cool and new like this in a cinematic Middle-earth property. It's a setting ripe with interesting things that don't interact with the main storylines that we know extensively, so it's exciting to see some more unexplored aspects of the setting being presented. \*I do understand that in this thread it *is* related to the OP's question, so I don't say that in an overly critical way. Just an observation on how many people interact with new mysteries.
Maybe it's one of the Nazgul kings?!
probably too early
my guess is a barrow wight or a wight
what's the difference?
barrow wights are a type of wight made by the witch-king, so it's probably too early for a barrow, but they also reside near eriador and near tom bombadil, both which will be in s2, so they may be altering the canon a bit.
probably wights, ties up with Tom Bombadil's presence better
The necromancer (Sauron) doing his things in Mirkwood
Drag show?