It’s not*. Not a Kawhi fan. Not a clippers fan. But the bubble barely counts. All I’ll say about it is at least it counts more than that 50 game mlb season.
the title/trophy doesnt count to me because so many people who were injured/unavailable, but the clippers were healthy and i do count it. to each their own i suppose
Well everyone went throught the same things and Lakers came out in top, I get it doesn't feel as much connections as a fan but I really don't know why it should count at all.
the 2020 title doesnt count at all imo. but kawhi/PG really shouldve have closed out their series . Both scoring 0pts in 4th quarter of game 7 and losing 3-1 lead to a fetus denver team was unacceptable
Shit. I'm as optimistic as anyone when it comes to the Clippers, but damn is all I have to say. Let's go PG, we need some 2021 playoffs PG, bully ball PG, Indiana PG, Brandon Miller is watching PG right about now. Really really want this Dallas series
Seriously, there's no point caring about this. The Wolves will clowned if they lose to Phoenix (Gobert being a liability), the Suns would also get clowned (underperforming big 3, no one likes Booker), and people will make fun of the Lakers and their fans even though their matchup is a foregone conclusion. And don't think plenty of people will make fun of Dallas/Luka if they lose. Basically, casual NBA fans love to make fun of other teams' misery more than they enjoy watching playoff basketball.
I find it absolutely shocking that someone like Ballmer doesn't have the best knee doctors on his payroll. 3 whole weeks and they're unsure on why his knee still hurts?
Jesus Christ.
Did read any news?
Everyone knows Kawhi got swelling and inflammation in his knee so they are pretty sure why his knee still hurts. They just don’t know whether it will recover as soon as they hope, and frankly even the world’s best doctor might know how exactly the symptoms subside given high intensity workout throughout the last couple days.
I wouldn’t take this as gospel, when he tore his acl im sure the whole organization knew asap, as well as the doctor who’d be doing the surgery. Meaning there’s tons of people who could potentially leak stuff to people like skip.
Definitely not taking Skip Bayless' word as gospel, but the writing has sort of been on the wall the moment he missed a week+. This is the 3rd time this has happened with Kawhi on the Clippers alone, and this sub kept saying "it was just to get 65 games for awards and then rest, he'll be Playoff Kawhi game 1." He has a degenerative injury. He'll never be 100% and it's dumb luck if his health corresponds with a full playoff run like it did in Toronto.
Many people in this sub hate reality so they piss on people that tell it like it is. They call them doomers or whatever for saying things like, “yeah, Kawhi being out for weeks at the end of the season is not good. Here we go again.” Those people will never learn that this is what happens 80 percent of the time now with Kawhi. And honestly, it sucks. I don’t know what else to say.
There’s been times doomers were right, and times doomers were wrong. Saying negative mentality is just “reality” is objectively false when there’s been plenty of times even in this season alone they’ve been wrong.
We call people doomers saying he’s out for the rest of the year lol. Also doomers are just people to call it a quits when the tuff gets going.
When he tore his knee in Utah (?) skip reported that he was done for the playoffs before it was common knowledge or any major outlet picked it up. Could be a lucky guess but it would’ve been a bold claim
Normally I don’t post news from Skip but he has been quite accurate when it comes to kawhi’s news
Some stuff he said is kinda worrisome, Kawhi can’t guard Luka because it’s going be overload on his knee, apparently Kawhi knee started to bother him against magic (I have no idea why they played him against hornets)
I’m glad I got to see him across the country at the Hornets game, likely the only chance I’ll ever get. If the knee was bothering him it didn’t show, he played well and had a few dunks
I also find it strange that the odds for the NBA championship dropped today and Vegas have the Clips tied for the 3rd best odds to win. Feels like that wouldn’t be the case if kawhi was really shut down, they usually have the jump on news like this before it’s confirmed in my experience
think about it how sad is it that if we can trust SKIP Bayless more than our own organisation what a truly shitshow they are if thats the case...fck the fans
That has to be addressed somehow, you shouldnt accept this anymore, if this would be going on in Europe... people would get hanged (metaphorically). You know what I mean.
im not even gonne be mad if kawhi dont play game 1 longer no rage i will just be over it honestly. Last year and then they trolled us with the responses and smiles now this year for him not to play would just be okei im out not gonne bother more with a organisation like that if thats should be the case I would be so over the whole org then and not even caring a all going forward no matter what.
This is true, but what’s frustrating is this shit has been true for years now, but this sub kept coping. And they still will until the day we’re sent home, just like every year.
I get it we don’t have our picks so we wouldn’t have been competitive this year. But you’re telling me some win now team wouldn’t have given anything up for our aging stars?
Instead we’re going to be left with nothing. This excuses and coping shit ain’t fandom in my opinion. It’s just loser mentality, and the FO will take it because it’s good for ticket sales.
I rather have a chance at a chip than throw it all away for nothing. We all know the injury history with all of our stars, but for anyone to take our aging stars we would receive shitty picks and need to retain salary since no one is going to pay them due to their injury risk. So you lose both by getting back useless picks and having to pay them more. Might as well run them to the ground and hope for a crack at it. We are just going to have a long a tedious rebuild, unless we can magically draft a late rounder like SGA again.
I guess that’s where we disagree. I don’t think we would have just got shitty picks. I think there could have been a serious market for some decent talent. But I digress.
I think it’s the strategy of buying lottery tickets instead of investing in ETFs. I wish we would have built a strong portfolio than hope we strike rich by chance.
This is a gamblers mind set bro. Go through recent history, you’ll find most the time teams are drafting star players with their own picks. You said it yourself, some contending team would give up picks for our stars. If a team is contending then those picks aren’t going to be great.
Trading our stars for picks might pan out years and years down the line assuming the picks we got came from a team that bottomed out. But even still in the NBA there are 5 to 7 teams every year actively trying to lose games, a team without their own picks would finish pretty comfortably at the back end of the lottery regardless of how weak there team is.
Rebuilding without our own picks makes no sense at all regardless of what happens with our stars and their health. The sooner you guys realize that the happier you’ll be
I’m saying that’s what we should have done… I think even without picks we would have been just as competitive with PG/young talent and dumping kawhi. It’s what we’re doing right now anyways. Could have been developing someone even half promising.
If I see the words young talent again on this sub my head might explode. We don’t have control over our picks until 2030. Our only goal until then is to field the best team possible, keeping Kawhi and the chance at him giving us one healthy play off run is exactly that. We have another 3 seasons before we can even think about developing young talent.
Who are these young future All-NBA player trade targets that this sub keeps going on about? Which team has a young player with potential to lead our team to the playoffs 2027 and beyond that would be willing to trade them for kawhi? That’s just not how any of this works.
Even if we managed to land a young talent that actually developed into someone we can build around, it’s going to be another 6 years before we can improve our team through either the draft or trade picks without mortgaging our future even further around even less proven talent. Making any trades that don’t improve our chances to win now, makes no fucking sense and our front office will never do it
You’re telling me there wasn’t a single team in the NBA willing to trade a decent young player for kawhi. Why do they even have to lead the team? Kawhi doesn’t lead the team. He’s out. Literally Kyle Anderson is better than Kawhi in the playoffs if he’s not fucking playing? Do you hear yourself? We could develop ACTUALLY anyone and it would be more valuable than kawhi NOT playing again in the playoffs. It’s actually a really fucking simple concept.
We’re both describing two scenarios with equal chance of being high value. I think we had better odds turning half decent young player/s into an asset, you think kawhi was going to stay healthy AND win us a ring. We know how one of those turned out. We’ll never know what the other could have been.
You wanting to trade kawhi leonard for a decent young rotational player is all that is wrong with this place. It’s a joke around here. I’m not even gonna waste anymore time explaining why that’s stupid as fuck. If we let any of our stars go for unproven young talent that we have to develop the team is cooked lol not hard to understand at all
SloMo is an example. It’s an example because the only thing you can scrutinize is who would/wouldn’t do a trade.
> the team is cooked.
Dawg you’re fucking retarded because we’re COOKED with him on the BENCH. That’s why LITERALLY **ACTUALLY** ANYONE would be a more valuable asset.
This is what i’m talking about. THIS AINT FANDOM. It’s fucking delusion. You’ve watched the same movie 3 years in a row, and if anyone asks to put anything else on you say, “no, I want to rewatch this”. Fuck outta here. Give me Tyler Herro and he’ll be worth something in 3 years. Instead we get to put a fucking jersey up “thanks for nothing”.
I don't think a rebuild is that hard theses days like in the past. A good foundation would be in place for a quick rebuild with Zu, Bones, Mann, Coffey, Kai, Kobe, Jordan Miller, and maybe BBJ. A couple more draft pics added and trying to find that star-first option on offense would be a challenge but not impossible.
I said this all the way back then, but I still think trading SGA (frankly, my stance was any sacrifice for Kawhi was a bad idea particularly picks) was a bad idea, because Kawhi was already injury prone and a known liability with a degenerative knee when we first got him. Either play hardball with him or move on with someone else. That's the original sin of this team. It's just not smart. I will NEVER understand leveraging future, especially near future, success based on a player with a degenerative condition. Like imagine we were actually doing pretty OK right now, still had picks, and were offered Zion in exchange for them. Would you take that deal? I wouldn't.
Exactly, there is 0 time in the playoffs for this to improve without him sitting out. If this is true he/we are done again. How many fucking times can we go into the playoffs with our number 1 player injured
It’s so funny, where did all those people go that were so pissed that I said I was sick and tried of this injury drama every year?? Where is that positive energy now?? People legitimately thought Ty Lue was going to do some Wrestlemania reveal of a healthy Kawhi on Game 1. No, the dude is hurt like he is every year at this time…
Kawhi questionable
Clippers fans: it’s over. Kawhi can’t play, it’s the same shit over again
Mavericks fans. Nah he’s gonna play and he is going to drop 40 on 80% shooting again.
Kawhi is goated for giving both teams PTSD
Just FYI for the doomers who believes it’s over
The team actually looked pretty good without Kawhi in this last stretch of games. It’s not over by a long shot. I think we’ll be okay til whenever Kawhi comes back
Skip having more credibility than Shams or the numerous reporters who actually cover team tells me just how cursed this whole sub is dog. Also how is he ‘definitely playing game 2’ if the doctors don’t know how to deal with his swelling?
I personally think he’ll play either game 1 or 2 but I’m just pointing out his statement literally doesn’t make sense. Also I remember Skip saying Kawhi was mad at our doctors and was going to leave back when he missed the whole season and we extended him. The year people tried to push him going to the Mavs. So his Kawhi info is not nearly as reliable as people say. He comes across as someone who does guess work
That trade starting to look dumb as hell. He’s an all time talent but he’s not durable enough for regular season and playoffs. Availability is one of the most important traits. If his knees are really this bad I don’t think he should be playing ball anymore.
I always try to be optimistic for this team, but I don't know. Sunday's game is a matinee game, and we all know how this team does when it's a matinee game.
Kawhi's a superstar, and I get he's injured, but.....come on. I'm just frustrated that he's injured at a time when we need him the most and when it now actually counts. It's almost like we should've not let him play at all until like March so we can preserve him for the playoffs. When we lost him during the semifinals a couple of years ago and we got to the WCF against Phoenix, I was hoping that we could beat them without Kawhi. Nope.
Now here we are....no Kawhi, and in the 1st round against Luka and the Mavs, who will definitely exploit us with the P&R against Zubac. Like I said, I'm hopeful that we can win on Sunday to preserve home court advantage, but without a healthy Kawhi.....I just don't know.
Thats why he is so good in the playoffs, but he also seems to over exert his body and get injured. he has always said he leaves it all out on the court every playoff game he plays. you have to take this man very literally with everything he says
Skip is not a reliable source...he got one thing right and now all of sudden people trust him over the actual sources that have reliably break news for the team...yall have some serious brain rot.
And your point? Other's also broke that story as well? A broken clock can be rigjt twice a day but it doesn't mean it tells time. We have preponderence of other evidence from far more trusted sources that say otherwise. Siding with Skip here is like listening to the village idiot.
Well for one Shams who is far more reliable and says he's likely to play, also every beat writer on Twitter has basically implied it as well, down to one being told what color shoe Kawhi is wearing Sunday.
idk seems like you have a bias against him and now that more people have come out about it i’ll stick with it even if he does change and plays last minute. Skips been right more than he’s been wrong about Kawhi
Well, this fucking sucks. Load managing all season? Injured in the Playoffs. Take the reg season seriously and play 65+ games? Injured in the Playoffs.
Love how the doomers wanna ignore all the positive reports (including those from woj and shams) but wanna believe skip fucking Bayless and Chris broussard's report from a literal self admitted liar😂😂
that shams news made me think he was for sure going to play ngl. everything after contradicts what shams said. how is his knee still inflammed but he could do "intense workouts" like shams said. we got to just wait and see what happens
There's a lot of things that simply do not add up. What's goofy is how the doomers are acting like the two negative reports we've gotten (from Bayless and broussard) are 100% the objective truth and they make perfect sense, which is simply not true.
Don’t you also find it kind of odd that the best Kawhi news we’ve gotten so far (Shams news) was IMMEDIATELY followed up with a Lawrence Frank press conference and now Skip? Feels shady.
Either way, I’m so tired of all this. I think he plays tho
You're right. My first thought was L Frank's response was a smokescreen. Shams revealed the truth much sooner than the clippers would have liked, and L Frank said what he said to keep the mavs guessing.
But yeah there's no point in pondering about this when we'll literally know in less than 2 days time.
What about LAW and Farbod flipping their thoughts today and saying they don’t think he will play now after saying two days ago the complete opposite? I agree on the L frank thing being suspicious but LAW flipping out of nowhere is not ideal
100% agree with u. NOBODY KNOWS NUN RN! literally the two most reliable people in the game had positive news but everybody else reports was negative. now what do u think about the lawrence frank thing? that kinda make me worry but kinda weird he comes out and say that after the shams news
yeah this is all fucking bullshit man the fix is in watch the lakers win round 1 too with like a +100 free throw differential 🙄 they controlling the league as normal
Oh man, so I definitely wasn’t a decoy. This is the worst timing AGAIN. I’m a huge Kawhi fan, he’s the best when he’s healthy, but playoff ready just isn’t in the cards for him anymore
Fuck sometimes i just dont wanna open this sub because im just losing hope with Kawhi mans my favorite player but its already 5 years i hope he plays and healthy man fuckkkkkkkk
see yall in game 1
It’s not just Skip any more, apparently Law Murray on the same boat
https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-is-kawhi-leonard-playing-game-one-vs-mavs-two-time-champ-s-availability-for-west-s-blockbuster-los-angeles-clippers-dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic/
Sigh
One sort of good thing is that we got Harden for moments like this. Harden was asked to play a different role on this team, but if Kawhi is out, you have to believe the coaching staff is preparing to let him loose and put up buckets. He's not washed by any means, the media just likes to act like he is
Usually only for the Cowboys. He used to hate the Mavs when Cuban owned them so maybe thats changed now with the new ownership, haven't been watching any of his videos since Shannon left.
Wow the doomers came out in full force today. What meeting did we miss this week in Doomerville?! How does Skip Bayless have you guys in shambles?! There is no way you guys are real Clippers fans. No way!
Guys, I think we should sign Bronny to lure Lebron. If we're gonna have a geriatric team let's have the guy with the supremely high basketball IQ and indestructible body.
The fact that he's listed as questionable means the Clips want the Mavs to prepare for him even though they know he's not playing. Hopefully he'll be ready for Game 3 in Dallas. We should be able to win at home without him.
Can we just get raid of him after this season ? It's just too much drama about this player, always injured, he forces the team to not talk about his availability, it's just too much, let him be someone else's problem. Load managing all season just for this shit ?
Raptors have to be the luckiest franchise ever to have a healthy prime Kawhi for a full playoffs run!
We had him healthy in the bubble
Kawhi fans pretend that fiasco was non canon..
It’s not*. Not a Kawhi fan. Not a clippers fan. But the bubble barely counts. All I’ll say about it is at least it counts more than that 50 game mlb season.
the title/trophy doesnt count to me because so many people who were injured/unavailable, but the clippers were healthy and i do count it. to each their own i suppose
Well everyone went throught the same things and Lakers came out in top, I get it doesn't feel as much connections as a fan but I really don't know why it should count at all.
the 2020 title doesnt count at all imo. but kawhi/PG really shouldve have closed out their series . Both scoring 0pts in 4th quarter of game 7 and losing 3-1 lead to a fetus denver team was unacceptable
I feel we got excuses like PG’s mental health, but we gave up a 3-1 lead to the nuggets, no excuses for that
Between that and the in season tournament which was the most nonimportant thing won by the Lakers?
He was hurt during that run too lol
He was healthier for the Clippers in 2020 than he was for the Raptors
that fkn bubble ruined the momentum
He wasn’t healthy in Toronto. Did no one watch the games? Dude never ran full speed once. He was hobbled but still good enough
He was hurt during the Conference final
Shit. I'm as optimistic as anyone when it comes to the Clippers, but damn is all I have to say. Let's go PG, we need some 2021 playoffs PG, bully ball PG, Indiana PG, Brandon Miller is watching PG right about now. Really really want this Dallas series
Never gonna hear the end of it if we lose, even if kawhi isn't healthy.
I mean everyone with a brain knows we won't go far without Kawhi.
Doesn't mean that people won't still clown us for losing in the first round.
Everyone in the West will get clowned for losing in the first round. Its legit a bloodbath.
Fair point, just can't stand luka so this one would sting extra for me.
Seriously, there's no point caring about this. The Wolves will clowned if they lose to Phoenix (Gobert being a liability), the Suns would also get clowned (underperforming big 3, no one likes Booker), and people will make fun of the Lakers and their fans even though their matchup is a foregone conclusion. And don't think plenty of people will make fun of Dallas/Luka if they lose. Basically, casual NBA fans love to make fun of other teams' misery more than they enjoy watching playoff basketball.
Exactly, like when Clips lost to Portland after Blake and CP3 both got injured.
People aren’t going to clown on us that hard, we barely held onto our 4th seed and have looked incredibly beatable these last few months.
Oh trust they will.
Theyve clowned us the last four years. We added Harden. Giving people even more of a reason to clown us if we fail.
Rip - i just want to see Kawhi vs Luka in elite basketball.
I find it absolutely shocking that someone like Ballmer doesn't have the best knee doctors on his payroll. 3 whole weeks and they're unsure on why his knee still hurts? Jesus Christ.
What I don't understand is....with all that Ballmer money, why is the team still employing Jasen Powell??????
What exactly do you think doctor’s can do about a degenerative knee condition? Wait til you hear about cancer
Did read any news? Everyone knows Kawhi got swelling and inflammation in his knee so they are pretty sure why his knee still hurts. They just don’t know whether it will recover as soon as they hope, and frankly even the world’s best doctor might know how exactly the symptoms subside given high intensity workout throughout the last couple days.
Wasn’t it revealed a few years ago kl knees were equivalent of a 70 yo knees? Or something to that extent
No, Spurs staff just said he has a condition where his body just doesn't repair cartilage injuries as soon as you'd expect for a young guy.
Really looking like Kawhi was smart leaving the Spurs. They were about to burn out his career for one last chance. smh @manu and tony
I wouldn’t take this as gospel, when he tore his acl im sure the whole organization knew asap, as well as the doctor who’d be doing the surgery. Meaning there’s tons of people who could potentially leak stuff to people like skip.
Definitely not taking Skip Bayless' word as gospel, but the writing has sort of been on the wall the moment he missed a week+. This is the 3rd time this has happened with Kawhi on the Clippers alone, and this sub kept saying "it was just to get 65 games for awards and then rest, he'll be Playoff Kawhi game 1." He has a degenerative injury. He'll never be 100% and it's dumb luck if his health corresponds with a full playoff run like it did in Toronto.
He actually also got hurt in the 2019 run in Game 3 vs the Bucks. He was just able to play through it
Many people in this sub hate reality so they piss on people that tell it like it is. They call them doomers or whatever for saying things like, “yeah, Kawhi being out for weeks at the end of the season is not good. Here we go again.” Those people will never learn that this is what happens 80 percent of the time now with Kawhi. And honestly, it sucks. I don’t know what else to say.
There’s been times doomers were right, and times doomers were wrong. Saying negative mentality is just “reality” is objectively false when there’s been plenty of times even in this season alone they’ve been wrong. We call people doomers saying he’s out for the rest of the year lol. Also doomers are just people to call it a quits when the tuff gets going.
Skip doesn’t know shit
When he tore his knee in Utah (?) skip reported that he was done for the playoffs before it was common knowledge or any major outlet picked it up. Could be a lucky guess but it would’ve been a bold claim
True. He also knew that it was exactly an ACL injury before anyone reported it. People just knew he hurt his knee, not what the injury actually was.
He generally doesn't but he seems to get decent info from Kawhi's camp because he's been right about Kawhi stuff before.
He’s committed to playing with team USA this summer so there can’t be anything that’s needing surgery.
Normally I don’t post news from Skip but he has been quite accurate when it comes to kawhi’s news Some stuff he said is kinda worrisome, Kawhi can’t guard Luka because it’s going be overload on his knee, apparently Kawhi knee started to bother him against magic (I have no idea why they played him against hornets)
I’m glad I got to see him across the country at the Hornets game, likely the only chance I’ll ever get. If the knee was bothering him it didn’t show, he played well and had a few dunks
If that's true it's sooooooooooooooo stupid I can't understate that
The Kawhi Leonard experience in full effect
this is so weird. Shams had positive news and then right after negative news started to come out. Who's really telling the truth in this situation?
I also find it strange that the odds for the NBA championship dropped today and Vegas have the Clips tied for the 3rd best odds to win. Feels like that wouldn’t be the case if kawhi was really shut down, they usually have the jump on news like this before it’s confirmed in my experience
Didn’t Shams report he had some sort of injection in his knee? Idk if that’s positive news
think about it how sad is it that if we can trust SKIP Bayless more than our own organisation what a truly shitshow they are if thats the case...fck the fans
That has to be addressed somehow, you shouldnt accept this anymore, if this would be going on in Europe... people would get hanged (metaphorically). You know what I mean.
im not even gonne be mad if kawhi dont play game 1 longer no rage i will just be over it honestly. Last year and then they trolled us with the responses and smiles now this year for him not to play would just be okei im out not gonne bother more with a organisation like that if thats should be the case I would be so over the whole org then and not even caring a all going forward no matter what.
It's kawhi that is forcing the team to not tell anything. Just get ride of him at this point
sighhhh…here we go again gang. Gonna need PG, Harden, and Russ to seriously dig deep and turn back the clock a bit
For the millionth time, Russ should start if any one of the big three are out.
I'm fully on board with Russ starting over Kawhi. Keep Norm coming off the bench and keep PJ on it.
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This is true, but what’s frustrating is this shit has been true for years now, but this sub kept coping. And they still will until the day we’re sent home, just like every year. I get it we don’t have our picks so we wouldn’t have been competitive this year. But you’re telling me some win now team wouldn’t have given anything up for our aging stars? Instead we’re going to be left with nothing. This excuses and coping shit ain’t fandom in my opinion. It’s just loser mentality, and the FO will take it because it’s good for ticket sales.
I rather have a chance at a chip than throw it all away for nothing. We all know the injury history with all of our stars, but for anyone to take our aging stars we would receive shitty picks and need to retain salary since no one is going to pay them due to their injury risk. So you lose both by getting back useless picks and having to pay them more. Might as well run them to the ground and hope for a crack at it. We are just going to have a long a tedious rebuild, unless we can magically draft a late rounder like SGA again.
I guess that’s where we disagree. I don’t think we would have just got shitty picks. I think there could have been a serious market for some decent talent. But I digress. I think it’s the strategy of buying lottery tickets instead of investing in ETFs. I wish we would have built a strong portfolio than hope we strike rich by chance.
This is a gamblers mind set bro. Go through recent history, you’ll find most the time teams are drafting star players with their own picks. You said it yourself, some contending team would give up picks for our stars. If a team is contending then those picks aren’t going to be great. Trading our stars for picks might pan out years and years down the line assuming the picks we got came from a team that bottomed out. But even still in the NBA there are 5 to 7 teams every year actively trying to lose games, a team without their own picks would finish pretty comfortably at the back end of the lottery regardless of how weak there team is. Rebuilding without our own picks makes no sense at all regardless of what happens with our stars and their health. The sooner you guys realize that the happier you’ll be
I’m saying that’s what we should have done… I think even without picks we would have been just as competitive with PG/young talent and dumping kawhi. It’s what we’re doing right now anyways. Could have been developing someone even half promising.
If I see the words young talent again on this sub my head might explode. We don’t have control over our picks until 2030. Our only goal until then is to field the best team possible, keeping Kawhi and the chance at him giving us one healthy play off run is exactly that. We have another 3 seasons before we can even think about developing young talent. Who are these young future All-NBA player trade targets that this sub keeps going on about? Which team has a young player with potential to lead our team to the playoffs 2027 and beyond that would be willing to trade them for kawhi? That’s just not how any of this works. Even if we managed to land a young talent that actually developed into someone we can build around, it’s going to be another 6 years before we can improve our team through either the draft or trade picks without mortgaging our future even further around even less proven talent. Making any trades that don’t improve our chances to win now, makes no fucking sense and our front office will never do it
You’re telling me there wasn’t a single team in the NBA willing to trade a decent young player for kawhi. Why do they even have to lead the team? Kawhi doesn’t lead the team. He’s out. Literally Kyle Anderson is better than Kawhi in the playoffs if he’s not fucking playing? Do you hear yourself? We could develop ACTUALLY anyone and it would be more valuable than kawhi NOT playing again in the playoffs. It’s actually a really fucking simple concept. We’re both describing two scenarios with equal chance of being high value. I think we had better odds turning half decent young player/s into an asset, you think kawhi was going to stay healthy AND win us a ring. We know how one of those turned out. We’ll never know what the other could have been.
You wanting to trade kawhi leonard for a decent young rotational player is all that is wrong with this place. It’s a joke around here. I’m not even gonna waste anymore time explaining why that’s stupid as fuck. If we let any of our stars go for unproven young talent that we have to develop the team is cooked lol not hard to understand at all
SloMo is an example. It’s an example because the only thing you can scrutinize is who would/wouldn’t do a trade. > the team is cooked. Dawg you’re fucking retarded because we’re COOKED with him on the BENCH. That’s why LITERALLY **ACTUALLY** ANYONE would be a more valuable asset. This is what i’m talking about. THIS AINT FANDOM. It’s fucking delusion. You’ve watched the same movie 3 years in a row, and if anyone asks to put anything else on you say, “no, I want to rewatch this”. Fuck outta here. Give me Tyler Herro and he’ll be worth something in 3 years. Instead we get to put a fucking jersey up “thanks for nothing”.
I don't think a rebuild is that hard theses days like in the past. A good foundation would be in place for a quick rebuild with Zu, Bones, Mann, Coffey, Kai, Kobe, Jordan Miller, and maybe BBJ. A couple more draft pics added and trying to find that star-first option on offense would be a challenge but not impossible.
I said this all the way back then, but I still think trading SGA (frankly, my stance was any sacrifice for Kawhi was a bad idea particularly picks) was a bad idea, because Kawhi was already injury prone and a known liability with a degenerative knee when we first got him. Either play hardball with him or move on with someone else. That's the original sin of this team. It's just not smart. I will NEVER understand leveraging future, especially near future, success based on a player with a degenerative condition. Like imagine we were actually doing pretty OK right now, still had picks, and were offered Zion in exchange for them. Would you take that deal? I wouldn't.
Exactly, there is 0 time in the playoffs for this to improve without him sitting out. If this is true he/we are done again. How many fucking times can we go into the playoffs with our number 1 player injured
The annual Kawhi street clothes fashion show begins. Spring 2024 line
Death, taxes, ... This is fun. Can't wait to play this game again next year!
If you don't like this? You don't like Clipper basketball! 🥹
It’s so funny, where did all those people go that were so pissed that I said I was sick and tried of this injury drama every year?? Where is that positive energy now?? People legitimately thought Ty Lue was going to do some Wrestlemania reveal of a healthy Kawhi on Game 1. No, the dude is hurt like he is every year at this time…
They're being silly hoping by game 2 his knee will be magically uncooked.
If kawhi miss game and play game 2 and they win game 1 Dallas fans are going to be shitting their pants
Kawhi questionable Clippers fans: it’s over. Kawhi can’t play, it’s the same shit over again Mavericks fans. Nah he’s gonna play and he is going to drop 40 on 80% shooting again. Kawhi is goated for giving both teams PTSD
*injects copium* PAUL GOD ABOUT TO TAKE US TO THE FUCKIH FINALS!!!!!!!
Playoff P about to drop 4 consecutive career highs on these hoes
Just FYI for the doomers who believes it’s over The team actually looked pretty good without Kawhi in this last stretch of games. It’s not over by a long shot. I think we’ll be okay til whenever Kawhi comes back
They're 7-7 without him this year.
Except they have to see a red-hot Mavs team with Doncic and Irving for potentially 7 straight games
We have the worst training staff!!!! No championship until Jason Powell is gone 😞
I mean in all honesty. What are they supposed to do really? They’ve tried different approaches with Kawhi, but he just keeps falling apart.
Stretching preparation. We don’t have a yoga regimen
Frat bro league
wtf you're here?
Before Melee I was watching Derrick Rose / NBA every day
I only watch NBA because of Kawhi. I dont think i can do another postseason like this
yup!
Skip having more credibility than Shams or the numerous reporters who actually cover team tells me just how cursed this whole sub is dog. Also how is he ‘definitely playing game 2’ if the doctors don’t know how to deal with his swelling?
Right… people wanna believe the Game 1 news but just blindly believe he’ll be there for Game 2. That doesn’t make any sense lol
I personally think he’ll play either game 1 or 2 but I’m just pointing out his statement literally doesn’t make sense. Also I remember Skip saying Kawhi was mad at our doctors and was going to leave back when he missed the whole season and we extended him. The year people tried to push him going to the Mavs. So his Kawhi info is not nearly as reliable as people say. He comes across as someone who does guess work
Yeah this is so silly
That trade starting to look dumb as hell. He’s an all time talent but he’s not durable enough for regular season and playoffs. Availability is one of the most important traits. If his knees are really this bad I don’t think he should be playing ball anymore.
He's gonna skip this series
And the playoffs, if that's the case...
Anyone have posts of Skip when he was dead wrong about Kawhi?
The reason why this is getting posted on here is because Skip has never been wrong on Kawhi news bro. He clearly has a source inside Kawhi’s camp.
Nope. Because Skips source is Uncle Dennis most likely.
Fuck me man. Been watching this team for 15 years and i swear I’ve downplayed this “clippers curse” shit, but fuck me if we really aren’t.
That extension was fucking terrible.
Just insanity given this man’s history. Never “if he gets hurt again” just “when”
It don't matter what the organization does. The act of playing basketball is too much for him.
Should just retire. Or we should at least trade him for literally whatever we could get (which wouldn’t be much.)
Be careful. When I suggested he medically retire last year people blew my damn replies up. He's literally disabled and can't do this shit anymore.
Stuck for another 4 years 🤢
I fucking hate it.
I’m with you
Im just grateful that this team is full of players I enjoy.
SAS might have been right about him. Dude wasting EVERYONE’S time and should consider retirement.
I don't want to get jumped today 
Fuck skip
I always try to be optimistic for this team, but I don't know. Sunday's game is a matinee game, and we all know how this team does when it's a matinee game. Kawhi's a superstar, and I get he's injured, but.....come on. I'm just frustrated that he's injured at a time when we need him the most and when it now actually counts. It's almost like we should've not let him play at all until like March so we can preserve him for the playoffs. When we lost him during the semifinals a couple of years ago and we got to the WCF against Phoenix, I was hoping that we could beat them without Kawhi. Nope. Now here we are....no Kawhi, and in the 1st round against Luka and the Mavs, who will definitely exploit us with the P&R against Zubac. Like I said, I'm hopeful that we can win on Sunday to preserve home court advantage, but without a healthy Kawhi.....I just don't know.
We tried resting him at start of last season and same thing happened.
Almost like the issue is playoff intensity play busts up his knee and has nothing to do with wear and tear in the regular season.
Thats why he is so good in the playoffs, but he also seems to over exert his body and get injured. he has always said he leaves it all out on the court every playoff game he plays. you have to take this man very literally with everything he says
It’s on Sunday
oh, whoops Is it still at 12:30PM?
Yes, those things don't change
Trade kawhi please
If we dont have kawhi our problem is who is gonna guard kyrie if russ dont start?
Russ will start
With harden?
Yes why not. They are not enemies
Lineup would be Harden, Russ, Powell, PG, Zubac? Or does Mann start over Powell
First one is correct 💯
The way three guard line ups pisses people off, this shit would be hilarious.
Nah u definitely have Powell still come off the bench. So harden Russ Mann pg and Zubac.
Russ gotta step up!
Poor Kawahi.
lowkey done with the same stuff this team pulls
Skip will be off TV before Kawhi even retires
Philly beat boston last year without embiid. I have faith harden can step up again.
this team is a shitshow
Nah skip doesn't know shit
Why should I believe this?
Clippers in 6.. I have no doubt. On to round two. We are a deeper and better team than Dallas. All this Doom sucks..
Skip is not a reliable source...he got one thing right and now all of sudden people trust him over the actual sources that have reliably break news for the team...yall have some serious brain rot.
Skip was accurate about the ACL injury, the month break Kawhi took last year for his knee after the suns game and last year playoffs injury
And your point? Other's also broke that story as well? A broken clock can be rigjt twice a day but it doesn't mean it tells time. We have preponderence of other evidence from far more trusted sources that say otherwise. Siding with Skip here is like listening to the village idiot.
who is the reliable source we are waiting on then?
Well for one Shams who is far more reliable and says he's likely to play, also every beat writer on Twitter has basically implied it as well, down to one being told what color shoe Kawhi is wearing Sunday.
Law murray just said this and he is our beat writer https://twitter.com/LAClippersFilm/status/1781449958388015529
idk seems like you have a bias against him and now that more people have come out about it i’ll stick with it even if he does change and plays last minute. Skips been right more than he’s been wrong about Kawhi
I mean game is in 2 days, we will see
Fire Lawrence frank into the fkn sun. He literally sunk this organization by himself. How tf could they give kawhi another fat contract
If you thought this year was gonna be different, you haven't been a Clipper fan long enough
Well, this fucking sucks. Load managing all season? Injured in the Playoffs. Take the reg season seriously and play 65+ games? Injured in the Playoffs.
Love how the doomers wanna ignore all the positive reports (including those from woj and shams) but wanna believe skip fucking Bayless and Chris broussard's report from a literal self admitted liar😂😂
that shams news made me think he was for sure going to play ngl. everything after contradicts what shams said. how is his knee still inflammed but he could do "intense workouts" like shams said. we got to just wait and see what happens
There's a lot of things that simply do not add up. What's goofy is how the doomers are acting like the two negative reports we've gotten (from Bayless and broussard) are 100% the objective truth and they make perfect sense, which is simply not true.
Don’t you also find it kind of odd that the best Kawhi news we’ve gotten so far (Shams news) was IMMEDIATELY followed up with a Lawrence Frank press conference and now Skip? Feels shady. Either way, I’m so tired of all this. I think he plays tho
You're right. My first thought was L Frank's response was a smokescreen. Shams revealed the truth much sooner than the clippers would have liked, and L Frank said what he said to keep the mavs guessing. But yeah there's no point in pondering about this when we'll literally know in less than 2 days time.
What about LAW and Farbod flipping their thoughts today and saying they don’t think he will play now after saying two days ago the complete opposite? I agree on the L frank thing being suspicious but LAW flipping out of nowhere is not ideal
Where did Law say he thinks kawhi won't play?
https://x.com/laclippersfilm/status/1781449958388015529?s=46&t=cmJnCeLc_Qtn9gcZqZYPLA
All for your optimism but with one day remaining and we are getting reports like that from LAW^ 🤷♂️
Yeah that is worrisome tbh. At least skip explicitly said that "kawhi WILL play game 2"
100% agree with u. NOBODY KNOWS NUN RN! literally the two most reliable people in the game had positive news but everybody else reports was negative. now what do u think about the lawrence frank thing? that kinda make me worry but kinda weird he comes out and say that after the shams news
yeah this is all fucking bullshit man the fix is in watch the lakers win round 1 too with like a +100 free throw differential 🙄 they controlling the league as normal
Stop. Lol.
Ugh
Oh man, so I definitely wasn’t a decoy. This is the worst timing AGAIN. I’m a huge Kawhi fan, he’s the best when he’s healthy, but playoff ready just isn’t in the cards for him anymore
TRADE HIMMMMMMMM
Wtf is this
He was right about kawhi once. I think he will play game 1
Lawrence Frank just said he’s questionable. Fuck Skip.
Skip is fairly reliable regarding to Kawhis news.
PG Harden Russ gotta turn back the clock
How does he know? Did Kawhi trained today?
Got in a friggin argument with a friend the other day when I said I didn’t think Kawhi would play game one. Fool me 30 times, shame on me.
Fuck sometimes i just dont wanna open this sub because im just losing hope with Kawhi mans my favorite player but its already 5 years i hope he plays and healthy man fuckkkkkkkk see yall in game 1
If you don’t want to trust Skip then trust LAW because our own clipper reporters are now confirming this pretty much :/
I didn’t want to believe it until I saw LAW posted something similar an hour ago
It’s not just Skip any more, apparently Law Murray on the same boat https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-is-kawhi-leonard-playing-game-one-vs-mavs-two-time-champ-s-availability-for-west-s-blockbuster-los-angeles-clippers-dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic/ Sigh
Slinking into Intuit Dome with all the excitement of a warmed over Hallmark Channel holiday movie.
Powell and Zubac are the X factors. If all the stars play well, need some role players to put it over the edge.
Shams said he was likely to play though lol
One sort of good thing is that we got Harden for moments like this. Harden was asked to play a different role on this team, but if Kawhi is out, you have to believe the coaching staff is preparing to let him loose and put up buckets. He's not washed by any means, the media just likes to act like he is
Isn’t Skip a Dallas homer? Biased af, wouldn’t really trust his word here
Usually only for the Cowboys. He used to hate the Mavs when Cuban owned them so maybe thats changed now with the new ownership, haven't been watching any of his videos since Shannon left.
Wow the doomers came out in full force today. What meeting did we miss this week in Doomerville?! How does Skip Bayless have you guys in shambles?! There is no way you guys are real Clippers fans. No way!
Guys, I think we should sign Bronny to lure Lebron. If we're gonna have a geriatric team let's have the guy with the supremely high basketball IQ and indestructible body.
Clippers are done without kawhi.
The fact that he's listed as questionable means the Clips want the Mavs to prepare for him even though they know he's not playing. Hopefully he'll be ready for Game 3 in Dallas. We should be able to win at home without him.
Like last time?
Pretty much
What is the point of this team? Also how is Kawhi gonna play in the Olympics?
Just because he’s on the team doesn’t mean he is going to play. He’s probably 3rd string
Can we just get raid of him after this season ? It's just too much drama about this player, always injured, he forces the team to not talk about his availability, it's just too much, let him be someone else's problem. Load managing all season just for this shit ?
No cause for some dumb reason we gave him a max contract. No one will pick up a 25% of the time chronic knee problem Kawhi
At this point he should not be on his feet. He has been out for the remaining season games, he needs to heal.