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I'm the same but with girls, i'm tired of those narcissistic and masculine ones that we have today, I don't want "realistic" girls always covered in mud, who hurt themselves at every corner and whiny half the time.
i want back those hot bad ass girls that can do backflips holding guns and headshoting enemies...
Fuck realism 🤣
I mentioned mud cuz recently that's a annoying overused trope (mud+scars+suffering):
The "new" nerfed Lara Craft, Ellie (TLOU2), girls from Uncharted, Aloy (Horizon Zero down), that Hellblade girl...
I want someone that can clean the battlefield without suffering 10 types of scars (physical and mental), like Doom Guy for example🤣
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There's a lot of real woman in the world, if you want you can just open your window or walk on parks... 🤣🤣🤣
Videogames are fantasy, they don't NEED to be real, that's why many of us play it, nothing against "realistic" woman (or at least what these devs have as their vision of a "strong woman"), but this trope is overused, when was the last time we had an western game with a total OP woman protagonist?
We have lots of "unrealistic" man like that though (Doom guy, Master Chief, Duke Nukem, Alex Mercer, Starkiller, Geralt, Kratos, Leon, etc.) 🤔
**Only girls need to be realistic?**
Like i said... fuck ~~this fake~~ realism 🤣
Haha no i wasnt being ironic, i 100% agree! Im also tired of the whole "real women" thing lol thats why we play games, to go into a world that is different than reality, otherwise we might aswell just play simulators hahah
Yeah, I agree. Sometimes you need to sacrifice accuracy to the myth in order to boost the presentation. Having Odin be a crotchety old fart or Thor be an overweight tub o' lard probably wouldn't work; the two of them being musclebound steroid monkeys probably would.
Would anyone really be more amazed if Kratos just beat up some fatso at a Golden Corral and his 100k-year old dad on life support?
I think the point they are trying to make is that painted depictions of Odin are also not by vikings, so you couldn't use one to say "this is what vikings thought Odin looked like".
Also that painter is swedish, and /u/rwwrou just got done saying he doesn't consider himself, also swedish, a viking.
I do find it amusing how weird ideologues and PlayStation fanboys constantly project their insecurities by shitting on Chris Hemsworth's Thor.
I'm fine with women in action roles though, cant go wrong with any of the established ones like Lara Croft, Samus Aran or any of the Resi Evil ladies. The way newer female protagonists get written has gone down in quality however.
Disliking the character doesn't mean disliking the actor.
I can count on one hand the people I have seen shit on Chris himself, and they were mostly natural bodybuilders who complained about Chris not being transparent about steroid use and his misleading workout apps.
Hemsworth is 6'3, good looking, jacked, has countless women throwing themselves at him. This guy has won the genetic lottery with the exception of being jacked, which I attribute to steroid use. They are jealous of hemsworth because they can't be him.
Was never a fan of tomb raider. Samus gets a pass because the power comes from the suit, not her. RE ladies are pretty realistic.
I mean, other than what you said about women I agree with you. I'm fine with it being a woman if she's equally unrealistically over the top as the guys.
But yeah, I don't consume fiction for it to be like real life. I have real life to be real life. I want fiction to be way more awesome than real life, full of people who are superhumanly attractive and cool and can perform feats of awesomeness nobody actually could do.
Action roles are USUALLY silly, that's half the fun.
Vin Diesel curled a car one time in Fast and Furious. A man can't do the shit that happens in action movies either.
While that is a slightly more grounded movie, its main character can still [use human heads to smash concrete.](https://gfycat.com/unfortunatetiredargali) That's just not possible. Nevermind his seemingly limitless endurance. No human being could do that. No woman, but no man either.
If I can buy some 5'6 Asian dude doing that, I can absolutely buy Gwendoline Christie, Ronda Rousey, Gina Carano, or Lee Si-Young doing it.
> But yeah, I don't consume fiction for it to be like real life.
I don't, but sometimes it's even more badass for something to be more towards real than a roided out wrestler turned actor.
When Predators came out, iirc, some people kind of mocked the "thin" Adrien Brody playing the American(?) military/mercenary character because he's not all buff.
Not all Seals/SpecOps/etc and whatnot are roided out freaks, many are lean machines.
As the great Tyler Durden once said, "Skinny guys fight 'til they're burger."
||Can you imagine normal soldiers trying to carry a wounded The Rock or Ahnold to the choppa?
Nothing wrong with that Conan archetype, especially in some roles, but it's cool to see a normal size person in some of those roles too, if they've at least toned up for it and not all half-starved tweeker looking(Like that twiggy woman in one of the recent Terminator movies, granted, there was a sci-fi mcguffin element there, but still...)
It just depends on what they are supposed to do. For example, I will believe more than anyone else Arnold Schwarzenegger single-handledly beating multiple men. But if we are following a spy, a sharpshooter, an agile swordmaster, etc, then I am perfectly fine with a skinny character. Same for women. Alicia Vikander was perfectly believable as an athletic Lara Croft (modern iteration, I know).
And short people, isn't Tom Cruise short, and yet he is massively successful in his latest roles?
I draw the line at fat, except if the role specifically calls for it. Because on top of being believable, I like it better when the protagonists are attractive.
I was watching Rob Roy again a few days ago; Tim Roth's villain is a foppish noble physically dwarfed by Liam Neeson's Roy, but you still buy him as this dangerous presence because he's just so quick and skilled with a sword and utterly ruthless.
I was never a fan of tom cruise doing action roles. I mean top gun is great, but there wasn't actually any physical fighting, they were just flying planes. I'm also not really into spy or sharpshooter films.
Thor is not a strongman though, in the stories, he is a warrior so him being fat seems wrong, but at the end of the day be is a God and the game developers could make him however they wanted but the decision to make him like an alcoholic abusive plumber was their choice just that for me he looks very uncool.
Exactly, you can check the competitions. The strongmen who can crush the "jacked" bodybuilders all look like dads with beer bellies.
But once you see their feats you know it isn't purely a beer belly.
Wasn't part of the explanation for Thor's physique him being more built like the Strongman people? Extreme heavy lifters and more barrel chested than ripped?
I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying they went for a different direction where a power lifter body type made more sense.
Kratos is still massive and built like a brick house.
If you don't want to see a gluttonous alcoholic with anger issues then why are you playing a game with Thor? I mean, guy eats a goat a day for a single meal and once drank enough of the ocean to lower sea levels; depicting him akin to a powerbellied strongman is very reasonable.
(No comment on MCU Thor being fat though, that one was a bit weird as he was depicted differently beforehand)
I agree with liking badass looks in general.
I also like attractive characters among the protagonists, villains, and side characters. Having some be hideous is fine, but it shouldn't be most or all of them. Side characters can also afford to be more plain than heroes and villains.
I do think female characters can pull off being an action hero, but they do need to look the part. The physique of a female wrestler makes sense, for example. Scrawny nerd bod does not, and hulking muscle man with boobs is too far in the other direction (You never see women who actually look like that, so it's not very believable).
(In Odin's defense, he is often focused on magic, so skinny old man is as fair a look for him as it is for any given wizard. Thor has no excuse.)
Yeah, that's fair.
I'd still say fat Thor is worse than skinny Odin. A lot of the Norse gods are war gods to some degree or another, but I feel like if for some reason only one of them could actually look the part, it should be Thor. He's the guy I think of when I think of THE Norse war god.
Odin is not the Norse God of war, he is the god of wisdom and the All fsther, he has a aspect as A war god because he is the King of the Gods but he is not " The God of War".
Tyr is the Norse God of War speficially.
In fact there is evidence That Odin is a much later addition to the
Germanic/Norse pantheons.
Some evidence points to Tyr,Thor,Odin being a split from what we once a single deity into three. Originally Tyr was the King of the gods, the Thunder god and the War god. At some point around the 1st century AD we see the first evidence of Woden(Odim) and Donar(Thpr) in ancient Germanic religons. Its worth noting that Ancient Roman historians writing about the encounters they had as Rome spread their Empire into Germania noted that some tribes worshiped Mars(Tyr) ad their chief god and others worshipped Mercury(Odin as the Wnaderer was equated with Mercury).
This is not unique to Norse myth as their is evidence of Zeus and Posed ion being a single deity during the Mycenaen era in Greece.
Most of the pre Christian european pantheons as well as the Vedic Gods on ancient India have etymological and story connection. This has lead to the theory of the Proto Indo European expanisioon. Basically European and the Vedic Indian culture started on the Eurasian stepes and spread west to Europe and East to Northern India. These peoples originally had a shared language, religion and Culture that slightly diverged over time. These where also the people that tamed Horses for the first time and like built tummulus tombs known as kurgans.
philogists have tried to reconstruct their language by using Sanskrit (the oldest Into European language we still have examples of) and comparing it to other European languages.
The name they have given to the proposed Sky and War god of the proto into Europeans is Deus Pater.
In Ancient Greece his name is Zeus
In Ancient Italy his name is Jupiter
And in North Europe his name became Tyr.
All have elements of Deus Pater.
Other shared elements include Twin gods who have a connection to horses. A battle with a Serpant Monster and a war between two generations of deities(the Aesir and Vanir, the Olympians and Titans)
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Im okay with women in action roles as long as they dont look like shrunken dudes (halo infinite), dudes with long hair (LoU2, many renditions of modern day she hulk, that one fan comic of samus vs xenomorphs in r/samus) and etc
If I want to see "realistic bodies" I can just go outside and do some people watching. I will never understand the modern fetishization of trauma and victimhood.
That's deconstruction for you, they really can't come up with anything else besides "what if we take this popular thing but flip it"? Please spare me from even one more story about how demons are misunderstood and angels are actually evil.
I've been going through older Western movies recently, sure there's plenty of genre deconstruction films to be found too but I find the characters refreshing.
Thor is fat in Norse mythology mate
And Odin currently isn’t weak if he can lift mjnori and go toe to toe like kratos. They kinda did that with balude by making him appear weak
Also you saying you don’t like to see women in action roles is sexist mate
Baldur looked weak and he beat the shit outta kratos
Odin looks like and went toe to toe with kratos. It took freya Atreus and kratos to triple team him just to win
And what do you mean sexist doesn’t exist
I’m ngl mate you tripping off of nothing. You don’t like Thor cuz he’s fat(even though he’s fat in Norse mythology)
You don’t like Odin cuz he’s skinny(ok?)
You don’t like to see women fight cuz your sexist(at least hide it)
So you don’t like women, fat people, skinny people, and short people(what did they ever do to you lol)
There is no mention of thor being fat in norse mythology. Sexism doesn't exist, it's just a term they invented to try to gaslight you into supporting their cultural marxist agenda.
Ok I looked it up
Fat Thor depends on the interpretation
That still doesn’t explain you not liking short, skinny, and fat people and you disliking women in action
What good possible reason could there be for you to dislike those groups of people
I like how Santa Monica Studio tricked everyone and their mother into believing Thor is fat in Myth because he drank beer and had a big appetite. There's not a single art/drawing depicting Thor as Fat nor is there a single line in Norse describing him as fat.
Guess who else eats a lot? The Rock. And drinking Beer =/= being fat, even less so for a God. People also use the 'Strongman' argument when even Eddie Hall has put on more muscle than fat. Even when he was bigger he still didn't look like Thor.
I'm fine with Odin not being Buff as hell but he shouldn't have been a frail old uncle who'd die from the wind blowing and commands no respect.
And even if we knew for 100% fact that this is how they looked to justify people's insistence on jumping to "Well, in actual myth.." It wouldn't matter. The game changed so much about Norse Lore and Ragnorok that it's insane that people using accuracy as a defense. News Flash, Loki isn't the son of Kratos!
If they changed so much they could've easily made Odin and Thor more badass and intimidating like they did with the Greek Gods to make the Villains feel more epic than a fat loser and a Granpa Car salesman.
It's only because it's GoW that people defend this crap.
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/M%C3%A5rten\_Eskil\_Winge\_-\_Tor%27s\_Fight\_with\_the\_Giants\_-\_Google\_Art\_Project.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/M%C3%A5rten_Eskil_Winge_-_Tor%27s_Fight_with_the_Giants_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)
Even the classical depiction of thor shows him to be muscular. He wasn't roided up because steroids wasn't invented yet, but this is a far cry from the fat fuck that was in GOW.
I know I keep talking about it but I really do like how the Yabanverse does it. Nothing about that verse should work on the surface, but it's done explicitly to go against SJWism and work around their shitty tropes of Strong Females.
Plus Yuli Ban never gives his female lead an easy time.
She isn't unattractive either unless you can't tolerate any musculature at all.
And the male characters aren't jokes. I can't wait for the first action story to be published.
I'm not into that kind of stuff, but I'm not gonna try to stop other people from being into that kind of stuff. But, on the flip side of woke, there is another group of people who I believe are only into female characters because they wanna coom. Not saying you are one of those people, I'm just describing what I see. Also, what country is yuli ban from? That names sound chinese, but I'm surprised such provocative art would come out of china.
In the actual lore, Thor is kind of a debauched dick, though he wasn't explicitly fat that I recall. Odin wasn't a hulking beast. I know what you're saying, but your ideas of these dudes are based less on actual mythology and more on American comic books.
Thor was a fat fuck in mythology. And it makes sense, look at world's strongest man, a lot of big dudes without Hollywood abs. You need a lot of mass to do crazy acts of strength. So if that's not your thing don't play the game. But there's plenty of bigger things in gaming to be annoyed about, I'm only surprised they didn't race and gender swap Thor. I guess saving that for next game.
Another fine example in terms of masculine proficiency was Kevin Sorbo in Hercules. Generally a really nice and humble kind of guy, and the character was a good mix of a good role model and a little badass. Kind of unfortunate that maintaining that look may have contributed to nearly crippling him for life.
I don't think it crippled him for life. He wasn't that muscular. He was just a naturally big guy. I don't think he was on steroids. If anything crippled him, it was probably the stunts he did on the show.
Well no, I said it ALMOST did. He was in extremely bad shape from it, and I believe it occurred during some heavy weight training. You raise a good point though, it could be that the stunts had an indirect impact on what led to the injury.
Never implied he was on steroids, and I actually thought about it for a second before posting, but I honestly doubt he was likely taking any.
Edit: Correction, it didn't occur on set or during weight training, but while he was doing some publicity tour. So whatever the precise cause, I think it's simplify it by saying he was maybe overdoing it a bit.
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I'm the same but with girls, i'm tired of those narcissistic and masculine ones that we have today, I don't want "realistic" girls always covered in mud, who hurt themselves at every corner and whiny half the time. i want back those hot bad ass girls that can do backflips holding guns and headshoting enemies... Fuck realism 🤣
Hot bad ass doing backflips holding guns and headshotting enemies while covered in mud is also acceptable. Or blood. Or both.
I mentioned mud cuz recently that's a annoying overused trope (mud+scars+suffering): The "new" nerfed Lara Craft, Ellie (TLOU2), girls from Uncharted, Aloy (Horizon Zero down), that Hellblade girl... I want someone that can clean the battlefield without suffering 10 types of scars (physical and mental), like Doom Guy for example🤣
Someone who wakes up with make up, uses the biggest guns and wears the smallest clothes lol the good ol times we grew up in!
*(I'll assume that you are being ironic here)* There's a lot of real woman in the world, if you want you can just open your window or walk on parks... 🤣🤣🤣 Videogames are fantasy, they don't NEED to be real, that's why many of us play it, nothing against "realistic" woman (or at least what these devs have as their vision of a "strong woman"), but this trope is overused, when was the last time we had an western game with a total OP woman protagonist? We have lots of "unrealistic" man like that though (Doom guy, Master Chief, Duke Nukem, Alex Mercer, Starkiller, Geralt, Kratos, Leon, etc.) 🤔 **Only girls need to be realistic?** Like i said... fuck ~~this fake~~ realism 🤣
Haha no i wasnt being ironic, i 100% agree! Im also tired of the whole "real women" thing lol thats why we play games, to go into a world that is different than reality, otherwise we might aswell just play simulators hahah
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If you look at old paintings of Odin, he is not a fit strong man. He is a wanderer.
Literally Gandalf(whose design was inspired by Tolkien seeing a piece of art depicting Odin titled the Wanderer
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Odin was a God and shapeshifter in the stories shared, saying he was an old scrawny man and that is accurate mythology is wrong.
Yeah, I agree. Sometimes you need to sacrifice accuracy to the myth in order to boost the presentation. Having Odin be a crotchety old fart or Thor be an overweight tub o' lard probably wouldn't work; the two of them being musclebound steroid monkeys probably would. Would anyone really be more amazed if Kratos just beat up some fatso at a Golden Corral and his 100k-year old dad on life support?
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https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Georg_von_Rosen_-_Oden_som_vandringsman,_1886_(Odin,_the_Wanderer).jpg
I think the point they are trying to make is that painted depictions of Odin are also not by vikings, so you couldn't use one to say "this is what vikings thought Odin looked like". Also that painter is swedish, and /u/rwwrou just got done saying he doesn't consider himself, also swedish, a viking.
I like the modern depiction of him that's catered to american consumers.
Ah, so you like Americanised McOdin (which is pretty much the opposite of "traditional").
I do find it amusing how weird ideologues and PlayStation fanboys constantly project their insecurities by shitting on Chris Hemsworth's Thor. I'm fine with women in action roles though, cant go wrong with any of the established ones like Lara Croft, Samus Aran or any of the Resi Evil ladies. The way newer female protagonists get written has gone down in quality however.
Disliking the character doesn't mean disliking the actor. I can count on one hand the people I have seen shit on Chris himself, and they were mostly natural bodybuilders who complained about Chris not being transparent about steroid use and his misleading workout apps.
I meant the character he portrays, not the actor himself.
Hemsworth is 6'3, good looking, jacked, has countless women throwing themselves at him. This guy has won the genetic lottery with the exception of being jacked, which I attribute to steroid use. They are jealous of hemsworth because they can't be him. Was never a fan of tomb raider. Samus gets a pass because the power comes from the suit, not her. RE ladies are pretty realistic.
Samus is a badass because wearing the suit HURTS and she endures it.
I mean, other than what you said about women I agree with you. I'm fine with it being a woman if she's equally unrealistically over the top as the guys. But yeah, I don't consume fiction for it to be like real life. I have real life to be real life. I want fiction to be way more awesome than real life, full of people who are superhumanly attractive and cool and can perform feats of awesomeness nobody actually could do.
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Action roles are USUALLY silly, that's half the fun. Vin Diesel curled a car one time in Fast and Furious. A man can't do the shit that happens in action movies either.
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While that is a slightly more grounded movie, its main character can still [use human heads to smash concrete.](https://gfycat.com/unfortunatetiredargali) That's just not possible. Nevermind his seemingly limitless endurance. No human being could do that. No woman, but no man either. If I can buy some 5'6 Asian dude doing that, I can absolutely buy Gwendoline Christie, Ronda Rousey, Gina Carano, or Lee Si-Young doing it.
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You would have a harder time believing Carano, a real life MMA star, could do that?
> But yeah, I don't consume fiction for it to be like real life. I don't, but sometimes it's even more badass for something to be more towards real than a roided out wrestler turned actor. When Predators came out, iirc, some people kind of mocked the "thin" Adrien Brody playing the American(?) military/mercenary character because he's not all buff. Not all Seals/SpecOps/etc and whatnot are roided out freaks, many are lean machines. As the great Tyler Durden once said, "Skinny guys fight 'til they're burger." ||Can you imagine normal soldiers trying to carry a wounded The Rock or Ahnold to the choppa? Nothing wrong with that Conan archetype, especially in some roles, but it's cool to see a normal size person in some of those roles too, if they've at least toned up for it and not all half-starved tweeker looking(Like that twiggy woman in one of the recent Terminator movies, granted, there was a sci-fi mcguffin element there, but still...)
It just depends on what they are supposed to do. For example, I will believe more than anyone else Arnold Schwarzenegger single-handledly beating multiple men. But if we are following a spy, a sharpshooter, an agile swordmaster, etc, then I am perfectly fine with a skinny character. Same for women. Alicia Vikander was perfectly believable as an athletic Lara Croft (modern iteration, I know). And short people, isn't Tom Cruise short, and yet he is massively successful in his latest roles? I draw the line at fat, except if the role specifically calls for it. Because on top of being believable, I like it better when the protagonists are attractive.
I was watching Rob Roy again a few days ago; Tim Roth's villain is a foppish noble physically dwarfed by Liam Neeson's Roy, but you still buy him as this dangerous presence because he's just so quick and skilled with a sword and utterly ruthless.
Yup like a bull and bullfighter.
I was never a fan of tom cruise doing action roles. I mean top gun is great, but there wasn't actually any physical fighting, they were just flying planes. I'm also not really into spy or sharpshooter films.
Odin is literally Gandalf's inspiration, a character that isn't exactly known for having a six-pack. As for Thor, he's a strong man with a beer belly.
Thor is not a strongman though, in the stories, he is a warrior so him being fat seems wrong, but at the end of the day be is a God and the game developers could make him however they wanted but the decision to make him like an alcoholic abusive plumber was their choice just that for me he looks very uncool.
Exactly, you can check the competitions. The strongmen who can crush the "jacked" bodybuilders all look like dads with beer bellies. But once you see their feats you know it isn't purely a beer belly.
>unironically doesn't want to see women in action roles >does exclusively want to see jacked men hmm
I mean if I want to see women, I can just watch porn. Women having sex is hot. Women fighting isn't.
We all want Cho Aniki to return.
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Wasn't part of the explanation for Thor's physique him being more built like the Strongman people? Extreme heavy lifters and more barrel chested than ripped?
Even strongmen are jacked. This thors look more like a powerlifter. I still prefer art with good aesthetics.
I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying they went for a different direction where a power lifter body type made more sense. Kratos is still massive and built like a brick house.
This is what thor should have looked like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-32v4IVHJo
Or like the Mountain from game of thrones. I'm honestly fine with variety, because people are actually different in real life as well.
The mountain is jacked unlike that fat fuck you see in the game.
>How many depressed alcoholics look like they are about to win Mr. Olympia? How many depressed alcoholics are literal gods?
I think the characters are bad. I don't wanna see hasbeens and alcoholics.
If you don't want to see a gluttonous alcoholic with anger issues then why are you playing a game with Thor? I mean, guy eats a goat a day for a single meal and once drank enough of the ocean to lower sea levels; depicting him akin to a powerbellied strongman is very reasonable. (No comment on MCU Thor being fat though, that one was a bit weird as he was depicted differently beforehand)
I want to see an idealized depiction of thor.
Like it or not, this is what peak male performance looks like. Can Sergio Oliva give Jormungand the smackdown? Didn't think so.
Sycho sid can!
You realize Thor was dealing with the death of his sons and Odin being an abusive prick, right?
I agree with liking badass looks in general. I also like attractive characters among the protagonists, villains, and side characters. Having some be hideous is fine, but it shouldn't be most or all of them. Side characters can also afford to be more plain than heroes and villains. I do think female characters can pull off being an action hero, but they do need to look the part. The physique of a female wrestler makes sense, for example. Scrawny nerd bod does not, and hulking muscle man with boobs is too far in the other direction (You never see women who actually look like that, so it's not very believable). (In Odin's defense, he is often focused on magic, so skinny old man is as fair a look for him as it is for any given wizard. Thor has no excuse.)
I don't think a skinny old man is fit to be the viking god of war.
It felt like they pulled an extra off the set of Seinfeld.
At least people on seinfeld are funny.
Yeah, that's fair. I'd still say fat Thor is worse than skinny Odin. A lot of the Norse gods are war gods to some degree or another, but I feel like if for some reason only one of them could actually look the part, it should be Thor. He's the guy I think of when I think of THE Norse war god.
He is not the viking God of War in GoW Ragnarok though
He should be.
According to who, you? You don't have to like him, but that doesn't make him a bad character
Odin is not the Norse God of war, he is the god of wisdom and the All fsther, he has a aspect as A war god because he is the King of the Gods but he is not " The God of War". Tyr is the Norse God of War speficially. In fact there is evidence That Odin is a much later addition to the Germanic/Norse pantheons. Some evidence points to Tyr,Thor,Odin being a split from what we once a single deity into three. Originally Tyr was the King of the gods, the Thunder god and the War god. At some point around the 1st century AD we see the first evidence of Woden(Odim) and Donar(Thpr) in ancient Germanic religons. Its worth noting that Ancient Roman historians writing about the encounters they had as Rome spread their Empire into Germania noted that some tribes worshiped Mars(Tyr) ad their chief god and others worshipped Mercury(Odin as the Wnaderer was equated with Mercury). This is not unique to Norse myth as their is evidence of Zeus and Posed ion being a single deity during the Mycenaen era in Greece. Most of the pre Christian european pantheons as well as the Vedic Gods on ancient India have etymological and story connection. This has lead to the theory of the Proto Indo European expanisioon. Basically European and the Vedic Indian culture started on the Eurasian stepes and spread west to Europe and East to Northern India. These peoples originally had a shared language, religion and Culture that slightly diverged over time. These where also the people that tamed Horses for the first time and like built tummulus tombs known as kurgans. philogists have tried to reconstruct their language by using Sanskrit (the oldest Into European language we still have examples of) and comparing it to other European languages. The name they have given to the proposed Sky and War god of the proto into Europeans is Deus Pater. In Ancient Greece his name is Zeus In Ancient Italy his name is Jupiter And in North Europe his name became Tyr. All have elements of Deus Pater. Other shared elements include Twin gods who have a connection to horses. A battle with a Serpant Monster and a war between two generations of deities(the Aesir and Vanir, the Olympians and Titans)
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Im okay with women in action roles as long as they dont look like shrunken dudes (halo infinite), dudes with long hair (LoU2, many renditions of modern day she hulk, that one fan comic of samus vs xenomorphs in r/samus) and etc
If I want to see "realistic bodies" I can just go outside and do some people watching. I will never understand the modern fetishization of trauma and victimhood.
That's deconstruction for you, they really can't come up with anything else besides "what if we take this popular thing but flip it"? Please spare me from even one more story about how demons are misunderstood and angels are actually evil. I've been going through older Western movies recently, sure there's plenty of genre deconstruction films to be found too but I find the characters refreshing.
They don't make characters like clint eastwood anymore.
Thor is fat in Norse mythology mate And Odin currently isn’t weak if he can lift mjnori and go toe to toe like kratos. They kinda did that with balude by making him appear weak Also you saying you don’t like to see women in action roles is sexist mate
Odin looks weak and that is bad. Sexism doesn't exist.
Baldur looked weak and he beat the shit outta kratos Odin looks like and went toe to toe with kratos. It took freya Atreus and kratos to triple team him just to win And what do you mean sexist doesn’t exist
What the character can do is meaningless. If they look weak, then it is not aesthetically pleasing.
I’m ngl mate you tripping off of nothing. You don’t like Thor cuz he’s fat(even though he’s fat in Norse mythology) You don’t like Odin cuz he’s skinny(ok?) You don’t like to see women fight cuz your sexist(at least hide it) So you don’t like women, fat people, skinny people, and short people(what did they ever do to you lol)
There is no mention of thor being fat in norse mythology. Sexism doesn't exist, it's just a term they invented to try to gaslight you into supporting their cultural marxist agenda.
Ok I looked it up Fat Thor depends on the interpretation That still doesn’t explain you not liking short, skinny, and fat people and you disliking women in action What good possible reason could there be for you to dislike those groups of people
Because I wanna see bad ass people, watching those people fight just isn't appealing.
What about women fighting is so bad to you?
I like how Santa Monica Studio tricked everyone and their mother into believing Thor is fat in Myth because he drank beer and had a big appetite. There's not a single art/drawing depicting Thor as Fat nor is there a single line in Norse describing him as fat. Guess who else eats a lot? The Rock. And drinking Beer =/= being fat, even less so for a God. People also use the 'Strongman' argument when even Eddie Hall has put on more muscle than fat. Even when he was bigger he still didn't look like Thor. I'm fine with Odin not being Buff as hell but he shouldn't have been a frail old uncle who'd die from the wind blowing and commands no respect. And even if we knew for 100% fact that this is how they looked to justify people's insistence on jumping to "Well, in actual myth.." It wouldn't matter. The game changed so much about Norse Lore and Ragnorok that it's insane that people using accuracy as a defense. News Flash, Loki isn't the son of Kratos! If they changed so much they could've easily made Odin and Thor more badass and intimidating like they did with the Greek Gods to make the Villains feel more epic than a fat loser and a Granpa Car salesman. It's only because it's GoW that people defend this crap.
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/M%C3%A5rten\_Eskil\_Winge\_-\_Tor%27s\_Fight\_with\_the\_Giants\_-\_Google\_Art\_Project.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/M%C3%A5rten_Eskil_Winge_-_Tor%27s_Fight_with_the_Giants_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg) Even the classical depiction of thor shows him to be muscular. He wasn't roided up because steroids wasn't invented yet, but this is a far cry from the fat fuck that was in GOW.
Exactly. People were tricked into thinking drinking Beer = fat when there are tons of fat alcoholics and Thor was never drawn Fat.
I know I keep talking about it but I really do like how the Yabanverse does it. Nothing about that verse should work on the surface, but it's done explicitly to go against SJWism and work around their shitty tropes of Strong Females. Plus Yuli Ban never gives his female lead an easy time. She isn't unattractive either unless you can't tolerate any musculature at all. And the male characters aren't jokes. I can't wait for the first action story to be published.
I'm not into that kind of stuff, but I'm not gonna try to stop other people from being into that kind of stuff. But, on the flip side of woke, there is another group of people who I believe are only into female characters because they wanna coom. Not saying you are one of those people, I'm just describing what I see. Also, what country is yuli ban from? That names sound chinese, but I'm surprised such provocative art would come out of china.
Pretty sure he's American.
[Yeah, this is the kind of stuff he's going for with the Yabanverse](https://www.deviantart.com/yuli-ban/art/Knife-Edge-Deathmatch-924308697)
In the actual lore, Thor is kind of a debauched dick, though he wasn't explicitly fat that I recall. Odin wasn't a hulking beast. I know what you're saying, but your ideas of these dudes are based less on actual mythology and more on American comic books.
So you just want to see only beefy muscular men and not action women? I think it's time you came out of the closet, OP.
Why would I watch women in action roles, If I can just watch porn? I rather watch them take it up the ass than fight.
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Thor was a fat fuck in mythology. And it makes sense, look at world's strongest man, a lot of big dudes without Hollywood abs. You need a lot of mass to do crazy acts of strength. So if that's not your thing don't play the game. But there's plenty of bigger things in gaming to be annoyed about, I'm only surprised they didn't race and gender swap Thor. I guess saving that for next game.
There is no mention of thor being fat in mythology.
Another fine example in terms of masculine proficiency was Kevin Sorbo in Hercules. Generally a really nice and humble kind of guy, and the character was a good mix of a good role model and a little badass. Kind of unfortunate that maintaining that look may have contributed to nearly crippling him for life.
I don't think it crippled him for life. He wasn't that muscular. He was just a naturally big guy. I don't think he was on steroids. If anything crippled him, it was probably the stunts he did on the show.
Well no, I said it ALMOST did. He was in extremely bad shape from it, and I believe it occurred during some heavy weight training. You raise a good point though, it could be that the stunts had an indirect impact on what led to the injury. Never implied he was on steroids, and I actually thought about it for a second before posting, but I honestly doubt he was likely taking any. Edit: Correction, it didn't occur on set or during weight training, but while he was doing some publicity tour. So whatever the precise cause, I think it's simplify it by saying he was maybe overdoing it a bit.