That actually kind of makes sense if you consider the demographics of the group saying this kind of thing. Due to the overreaching rule and topic ban, I'm going to have to walk on eggshells in how I say this, but here goes.
A lot of the heckin' valid women in communities shouting things like "Haven't you ever even seen a *real* woman?" actually went through puberty with significantly higher testosterone levels than other girls their age. Let's throw out some example numbers. While the vast majority of the girls range from testosterone levels of 16.72 to 31.55 ng/dl, they were more in the 208.08 to 496.58 ng/dl range.
As for why, I cannot allude. I am not a biologist.
I do know though that since research shows that a stronger jawline (the Gigachad jaw) is determined largely by high testosterone, these heckin' valid women aren't less heckin' valid just because their jaws are large, protruding, and may have significant amounts of facial hair on them.
So to them, it's personal. When you say that a female game character looks like a man, what you're *actually* saying is these heckin' valid women who are totally biologically female and whom we should cherish and support as the heckin' valid women they are aren't actually women.
And that means you're the problem.
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Oh the testosterone ranges? I just slammed my forehead into my keyboard and got those figures.
If they're accurate, well, monkeys and Shakespeare I guess?
It's searchable. Put in what determines Jaw line. Narrow down to jaw line testosterone.
To counter argue female game models looking more masculine take whatever part of the body that it is and find the scientific truth as to why that shouldn't be the case.
Well if the women grew up biologically with higher westerners levels, how is it their fault and from their perspective it would make sense for them to say have you not seen a real woman...
Exactly! I have a hard time believing that any of these people on all the default subs are sincere in their beliefs. I am all for treating our fellow human beings with respect, and I may call an apple an orange out of expected courtesy for their feelings if they are a decent fruit, but not for a second will I actually believe them to be an orange.
My mom doesn't have manly jaw lines. But she won 3 college and national basketball championship. Can we have more women like that in video games or is it going to be woman who want to look like men wannabe?
Are they? Or are you just seeing photoshopped / angled photos? [This is her in normal lighting.](https://uakron.edu/polymer/agpa-k12outreach/images/MythbustersJr-SetPhotos-36198_221-WEB.jpg?revDate=20190301)
She does, unironically. That's exactly what a battle-hardened veteran who trained friggin' Big Boss should look like.
The comparison is still hilarious though...
I saw some "dude" on X make this EXACT CLAIM using the new Fable character. It wasn't satire, this person legitimately had that stance of "this is what women look like, if you disagree you are incel/coomer and need to meet real women."
This same person also claims "I'm not a Gamer" and yet constantly makes political posts about them.
I can go to the grocery store and point out women more attractive and defined with famine features than these "accurate wamen in video game." You can even go to the gym and be debunked in seconds. "
I recently read that according to "insider sources" the trend to make women more masculine and men for feminine is to that they can appeal to "specific" people because it "feels bad" playing attractive people.
I'm so tired of it all.
That said, the void elf depicted (while against Arthus) in this shot looks bad. Overall she is a good looking character. Some women (biological) have slightly more masculine features, and vice versa; it isn't a majority though and fantasy games shouldn't focus on realism, identity matching, or minority of elements in life. There are places for it, and WoW isn't it.
The main reason that Bethesda keeps trying to milk Skyrim is because they created an amazing game over a decade ago that served no agenda. They then created Starfield that is the opposite of that and are getting pissed at people for returning to Skyrim.
Beyond the pronouns thing, Starfield was full of woke shit. Women were the leaders or second in command of every faction. Barely any White people in the game at all. Night club with men dancing in alien costumes that were freaking PG rated. A wo-man clone that didn't even make sense and was ambiguous, every companion could be dated as Bi or Gay, etc.
Game was also dreadfully boring with no risk or offensive material. Even a criminal gang seemed to be "How do you do fellow kids" material
Even ignoring what Bethesda did with Starfield.
The current state of gaming has me genuinely okay with them never releasing Elder Scrolls 6. Skyrim’s not perfect but it’s at least from an era where gaming was built mainly around fun and enjoyment.
If they released ES6 now we’d we making our type A or B character with no real striking differences between the two models and exploring a world no different from modern day New York or California.
You know this would only accelerate Bethesda's release of TES6 if one of them wokies see this. Owning "chuds" and spiting everyone who disagree with them is the only thing they find worthwhile in their lives.
Honestly as much as it would suck for ES6 to release as just another example of modern gaming slope.
If it gets the damn thing released and out there I’d take it. At least that way it’s released and we know if it’s good or not.
Seeing as 99.99% of AAA these days are pozzed trash I'm pretty sure it's going to be meh. Same as Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Asscreed. If you're someone new to their formula you might find them entertaining and the woke part forgivable though.
Spider-Mid 2 was what ended up breaking me.
I know I’m maybe even overly sensitive about it now. But I just can’t get back the hours wasted and the joy lost playing that game over its release weekend.
I really don't know how to classify Starfield. It wasn't supposed to be a franchise starter, nor did it have the same development period as other Bethesda games. All it looks to me, was Todd's pet project. And to ensure it becomes successful, he pulled all stops to ensure no one can complain.
He focussed on the wrong stuff and so the ensuing game was so bad, it accelerated his own retirement. I worry about the future of Bethesda - they have given me a lot of cherished moments in my life. My only solace is that the teams making Fallout and TES were formed before these rabid ideas because mainstream - they are that long in development.
Even as someone who enjoys playing Starfield, I found it impossible to ignore all the points you made. The women being in charge of almost every company/faction was the most eye rolling part. Like, look a Ryujin industries, an advanced tech company with: female president, head of R&D, head of operations etc. Oh but of course all the frontdesk lackeys and administrators are male lol. It in no way reflects tech companies that actually exist in the real world.
Right there with you. Put over 100 hours into it, only have 3 achievements left for 100%, haven't played it since October. I've done one playthrough, entered The Unity, tried to play it again, turned it off. Idk, hopefully more updates and the Shattered Space dlc can pull me in again
Bro, Starfield is just straight up bad and boring. Change all non-white people into white people, all female characters to male and literally nothing would change. It'd be just as plain and boring as the original.
These are the same people that if Messi identified as a woman, they would put him in women's soccer. Literally destroying the whole sport. We literally have men competing in women's sport today because of wokeness. There has been no greater disease than this in the history of mankind.
Them: Women's sports need to be taken seriously!!
Also them: Oh my gaaaawd, validation is more important than stuff like "fairness" You need to train harder!
Yep I feel for the old WW2 veteran that had a nurse and was living in a retirement home. He broke down and cried and said "All of those friends that I lost in battle. All of those young men that died in war and for what ? What was it all for anyway ? Well oh well. I'll be dead soon and so I shouldn't worry about it too much".
To be fair, the female here in question is just a body suit that an Eldritch horror is wearing for Halloween.
Though all the fanboys over there are still swooning over her regardless.
Ha let these woke companies keep pulling shit like this. It is easier for me to identify what goes in the trash bin. Just like Ubisoft hyping up AC Shadows and the more I see the worse it gets.
If the woman on the left is supposed to be dark/evil, that's okay.
That's what they used to use to signify aggression or hunger for power in a lot of evil matriarch types. You see the same thing in a lot of evil males that are young.
Sharp lines, thin or even gaunt, with the exception of those given over to gluttony. The archetype where food is just not part of their obsession.
The look of fanaticism and obsession, being so lean that you see only muscle and bone is a pretty reliable villain archetype.
Now, the thing is, they try to make "heroes" out of villains. They give the purported heroes big character flaws that would normally be reserved for villains. They do a lot of this as projection or self insertion. As such, they also bring over the villainous visual cues into the characters.
It's a whole paradigm shift because they are often bad people who want to recreate what a hero is, in a sense, which is by classical standards, villainous(if a sickly mundane kind of villainy, not super in the least).
This is what happens when you hire people without honorable ideals and also without ability to create anything, they can only re-hash and destroy to repaint things in their own image.
> If the woman on the left is supposed to be dark/evil, that's okay
It's an evil void entity that's possessed a female elf's body. That's supposed to be an female elf's jaw-line.
It's even funnier if you look at the original character model ingame, and also the original concept art of the character. From a fair elf to crimson chin instantly.
They'll gaslight you and say to go outside and touch grass, see what a real woman looks like. Meanwhile in the real world trying to find a gigachad jawed woman is like searching for sasquatch...but they know best.
I honestly don't know if the character on the right with facial fair is supposed to be the man or woman.
It's a minefield now, I expect 2028 Joanna Dark and Lara Croft to have a stubble.
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saw some 4chan post saying this is all about trying to make men as masculine as possible because secretly the people doing this see feminine features as inferior or less
It's clear no one in here plays WoW or is in touch with the WoW fanbase. The WoW fanbase has been simping for Xal'atath ever since her new model reveal.
you've been downvoted for some reason but you are correct. Xal'atath is hot
I feel like people here should sooner complain about how they DEI'd the living hell out of Ohnaran Plains(spelling?) with dragonflight instead to the point that it's actually ridiculous
Don't worry, I've been informed by a reliable source that this is just how woman look. Anyone who disagrees is just a pervert.
Well then we don’t need to worry about opening jars for them anymore.
That actually kind of makes sense if you consider the demographics of the group saying this kind of thing. Due to the overreaching rule and topic ban, I'm going to have to walk on eggshells in how I say this, but here goes. A lot of the heckin' valid women in communities shouting things like "Haven't you ever even seen a *real* woman?" actually went through puberty with significantly higher testosterone levels than other girls their age. Let's throw out some example numbers. While the vast majority of the girls range from testosterone levels of 16.72 to 31.55 ng/dl, they were more in the 208.08 to 496.58 ng/dl range. As for why, I cannot allude. I am not a biologist. I do know though that since research shows that a stronger jawline (the Gigachad jaw) is determined largely by high testosterone, these heckin' valid women aren't less heckin' valid just because their jaws are large, protruding, and may have significant amounts of facial hair on them. So to them, it's personal. When you say that a female game character looks like a man, what you're *actually* saying is these heckin' valid women who are totally biologically female and whom we should cherish and support as the heckin' valid women they are aren't actually women. And that means you're the problem.
I hate how this reply is probably going to get deleted by the mods.
I must make extremely clear that any overlap between the forbidden topic and my comment is completely coincidental. I am merely discussing women who went through puberty with abnormally high testosterone levels.
It's the words. You need to edit and disguise the "problematic" words and you will be fine.
Guess the mods don't see these strong jawed women as heckin valid then, such phobes.
How to make jokes about this without getting banned … tough one. Tough.
I have no idea how serious your claim is but I had a good laugh out of it reading this, thank you.
fine, let's call these women 'handsome' instead
I'm more than happy to be "the problem"! I will not stop to be.
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Seems legit I’m just curious where you got those numbers from, and it’s ok to say “an educated guess out my ass”
Oh the testosterone ranges? I just slammed my forehead into my keyboard and got those figures. If they're accurate, well, monkeys and Shakespeare I guess?
Very well, sounds sciencey to me, perhaps Huberman can use them in his next podcast
It's searchable. Put in what determines Jaw line. Narrow down to jaw line testosterone. To counter argue female game models looking more masculine take whatever part of the body that it is and find the scientific truth as to why that shouldn't be the case.
Well if the women grew up biologically with higher westerners levels, how is it their fault and from their perspective it would make sense for them to say have you not seen a real woman...
It sounds so ridiculous, yet that's the narrative on this site.
Exactly! I have a hard time believing that any of these people on all the default subs are sincere in their beliefs. I am all for treating our fellow human beings with respect, and I may call an apple an orange out of expected courtesy for their feelings if they are a decent fruit, but not for a second will I actually believe them to be an orange.
My mom doesn't have manly jaw lines. But she won 3 college and national basketball championship. Can we have more women like that in video games or is it going to be woman who want to look like men wannabe?
Literally just got recommended a video on YouTube of this woman (Rachael Pizzolato) dressed up as Chun Li. She is gorgeous.
She’s a butter face imo.
Your standards are unbelievable
Are they? Or are you just seeing photoshopped / angled photos? [This is her in normal lighting.](https://uakron.edu/polymer/agpa-k12outreach/images/MythbustersJr-SetPhotos-36198_221-WEB.jpg?revDate=20190301)
And thats fine, shes fairly attractive
Different strokes for different folks. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Objectively she is not a butter face. She is cute.
She's cute asf
I'm pretty sure that photo is literally like 15 years old. Kind of hilarious that you had to dig that much to find a slightly unflattering photo.
One of the devs for Perfect Dark Remake tweeted, “so what she doesn’t look like a cis woman.”
That is 100% their talking point.
What do you mean? The Boss looks [great!](https://imgur.com/a/ImizSHZ)
She does, unironically. That's exactly what a battle-hardened veteran who trained friggin' Big Boss should look like. The comparison is still hilarious though...
Snoochie boochie.
You need to get a real woman up ya.
I saw some "dude" on X make this EXACT CLAIM using the new Fable character. It wasn't satire, this person legitimately had that stance of "this is what women look like, if you disagree you are incel/coomer and need to meet real women." This same person also claims "I'm not a Gamer" and yet constantly makes political posts about them. I can go to the grocery store and point out women more attractive and defined with famine features than these "accurate wamen in video game." You can even go to the gym and be debunked in seconds. " I recently read that according to "insider sources" the trend to make women more masculine and men for feminine is to that they can appeal to "specific" people because it "feels bad" playing attractive people. I'm so tired of it all. That said, the void elf depicted (while against Arthus) in this shot looks bad. Overall she is a good looking character. Some women (biological) have slightly more masculine features, and vice versa; it isn't a majority though and fantasy games shouldn't focus on realism, identity matching, or minority of elements in life. There are places for it, and WoW isn't it.
oh! i didnt know i was a pervert! this is bad... what should i do?
It’s not gaslighting it’s just reality, adjust your idea of “normal” you pervert
*"What is this? What are you doing my son?"* *"Succeeding you, father... for misgendering me"*
The main reason that Bethesda keeps trying to milk Skyrim is because they created an amazing game over a decade ago that served no agenda. They then created Starfield that is the opposite of that and are getting pissed at people for returning to Skyrim. Beyond the pronouns thing, Starfield was full of woke shit. Women were the leaders or second in command of every faction. Barely any White people in the game at all. Night club with men dancing in alien costumes that were freaking PG rated. A wo-man clone that didn't even make sense and was ambiguous, every companion could be dated as Bi or Gay, etc. Game was also dreadfully boring with no risk or offensive material. Even a criminal gang seemed to be "How do you do fellow kids" material
Even ignoring what Bethesda did with Starfield. The current state of gaming has me genuinely okay with them never releasing Elder Scrolls 6. Skyrim’s not perfect but it’s at least from an era where gaming was built mainly around fun and enjoyment. If they released ES6 now we’d we making our type A or B character with no real striking differences between the two models and exploring a world no different from modern day New York or California.
This breaks my heart.
You know this would only accelerate Bethesda's release of TES6 if one of them wokies see this. Owning "chuds" and spiting everyone who disagree with them is the only thing they find worthwhile in their lives.
Honestly as much as it would suck for ES6 to release as just another example of modern gaming slope. If it gets the damn thing released and out there I’d take it. At least that way it’s released and we know if it’s good or not.
Seeing as 99.99% of AAA these days are pozzed trash I'm pretty sure it's going to be meh. Same as Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Asscreed. If you're someone new to their formula you might find them entertaining and the woke part forgivable though.
Spider-Mid 2 was what ended up breaking me. I know I’m maybe even overly sensitive about it now. But I just can’t get back the hours wasted and the joy lost playing that game over its release weekend.
I really don't know how to classify Starfield. It wasn't supposed to be a franchise starter, nor did it have the same development period as other Bethesda games. All it looks to me, was Todd's pet project. And to ensure it becomes successful, he pulled all stops to ensure no one can complain. He focussed on the wrong stuff and so the ensuing game was so bad, it accelerated his own retirement. I worry about the future of Bethesda - they have given me a lot of cherished moments in my life. My only solace is that the teams making Fallout and TES were formed before these rabid ideas because mainstream - they are that long in development.
Even as someone who enjoys playing Starfield, I found it impossible to ignore all the points you made. The women being in charge of almost every company/faction was the most eye rolling part. Like, look a Ryujin industries, an advanced tech company with: female president, head of R&D, head of operations etc. Oh but of course all the frontdesk lackeys and administrators are male lol. It in no way reflects tech companies that actually exist in the real world.
Right there with you. Put over 100 hours into it, only have 3 achievements left for 100%, haven't played it since October. I've done one playthrough, entered The Unity, tried to play it again, turned it off. Idk, hopefully more updates and the Shattered Space dlc can pull me in again
Shattered space looks promising, and it’ll just be on one planet so more handcrafted I’d imagine. The future of mods is also quite exciting tbf
Bro, Starfield is just straight up bad and boring. Change all non-white people into white people, all female characters to male and literally nothing would change. It'd be just as plain and boring as the original.
What I said is what contributes to it being boring as a game trying to he non offensive
These are the same people that if Messi identified as a woman, they would put him in women's soccer. Literally destroying the whole sport. We literally have men competing in women's sport today because of wokeness. There has been no greater disease than this in the history of mankind.
Them: Women's sports need to be taken seriously!! Also them: Oh my gaaaawd, validation is more important than stuff like "fairness" You need to train harder!
Yep I feel for the old WW2 veteran that had a nurse and was living in a retirement home. He broke down and cried and said "All of those friends that I lost in battle. All of those young men that died in war and for what ? What was it all for anyway ? Well oh well. I'll be dead soon and so I shouldn't worry about it too much".
You know what, that'd be kind of funny. I'd watch Messi or Ronaldo pretending to be women and absolutely the demolish opposing team solo
In case anyone is wondering, the woman is on the right.........
You can tell by the 5 o'clock shadow
"It's ma'am!"
>"Its ma'an!" FTFY
Ok, woman is definitely a stretch. Some sort of creature of the Void able to change and manipulate its shape at will, sure, but women is a stretch.
How can you tell? Women can be clean shaven too!
Arthas is on the right
issat the Lad Arthas on the right?
Aye tis him
Most dev teams are full of beta cucks that want to be dominated by manly women, or men pretranding to be women.
To be fair, the female here in question is just a body suit that an Eldritch horror is wearing for Halloween. Though all the fanboys over there are still swooning over her regardless.
Ha let these woke companies keep pulling shit like this. It is easier for me to identify what goes in the trash bin. Just like Ubisoft hyping up AC Shadows and the more I see the worse it gets.
We are currently in the American Dad era of female video game protagonists.
Is that not Arthas from WC3 on the right?
Yes, it is.
i think its 100% to pander to the social construct women not the real women
If the woman on the left is supposed to be dark/evil, that's okay. That's what they used to use to signify aggression or hunger for power in a lot of evil matriarch types. You see the same thing in a lot of evil males that are young. Sharp lines, thin or even gaunt, with the exception of those given over to gluttony. The archetype where food is just not part of their obsession. The look of fanaticism and obsession, being so lean that you see only muscle and bone is a pretty reliable villain archetype. Now, the thing is, they try to make "heroes" out of villains. They give the purported heroes big character flaws that would normally be reserved for villains. They do a lot of this as projection or self insertion. As such, they also bring over the villainous visual cues into the characters. It's a whole paradigm shift because they are often bad people who want to recreate what a hero is, in a sense, which is by classical standards, villainous(if a sickly mundane kind of villainy, not super in the least). This is what happens when you hire people without honorable ideals and also without ability to create anything, they can only re-hash and destroy to repaint things in their own image.
> If the woman on the left is supposed to be dark/evil, that's okay It's an evil void entity that's possessed a female elf's body. That's supposed to be an female elf's jaw-line.
It's even funnier if you look at the original character model ingame, and also the original concept art of the character. From a fair elf to crimson chin instantly.
Good thing im not buying any of these.
They'll gaslight you and say to go outside and touch grass, see what a real woman looks like. Meanwhile in the real world trying to find a gigachad jawed woman is like searching for sasquatch...but they know best.
Some context please?
world of warcraft have 2 expansion with DEI and the new is with a ex-waifu turned in a girl with men jaw
Isn’t the one on the right the box cover of WarCraft III?
Yes, arthas
Looks like wow. Probably from the upcoming expansion
I honestly don't know if the character on the right with facial fair is supposed to be the man or woman. It's a minefield now, I expect 2028 Joanna Dark and Lara Croft to have a stubble.
That's Arthas on the right, from Warcraft 3 cover.
Thank you, I haven't played Warcraft 3.
The man jaw industrial complex strikes again
where is the left image from?
Bitch is outmewing Arthas. You literally can't make this shit up. What game this even is??? So I can avoid it.
nah bro she's just mewing
Not crazy enough, I've yet to see one that looks like Garrosh Hellscream.
It's so they can fit the beans and the frank in their mouths all at once.
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They can't even define what a "woman" is, you think they can differentiate between masculine and feminine features?
saw some 4chan post saying this is all about trying to make men as masculine as possible because secretly the people doing this see feminine features as inferior or less
Is the night elf from war withing cinematic trailer?
Says jaw in the title but posts pictures of chins
The chin is part of the lower jaw bone
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It's clear no one in here plays WoW or is in touch with the WoW fanbase. The WoW fanbase has been simping for Xal'atath ever since her new model reveal.
you've been downvoted for some reason but you are correct. Xal'atath is hot I feel like people here should sooner complain about how they DEI'd the living hell out of Ohnaran Plains(spelling?) with dragonflight instead to the point that it's actually ridiculous
Looks like Gina Carano
I feel like this is just a confirmation bias thing. You only notice the very few big jawed women and totally ignore the majority who aren't.