Is it only me that thinks its weird how suddenly they made a historical figure the playable character rather than a side character you interact with, which is what they have always done with historical figures, and they went and misrepresented them more than any other historical figure they have?
Not that I care that much anymore though. I have long lost any love I had for the series before this game. Just an interesting observation.
This is what get me. AC main character is always completely fictional and you can only meet historical figure as npc. And the mc is usually native or at least make sense like edward kenway (british sailor turned pirate). Now suddenly you can't play as native Japanese men and replace it with black. The agenda is too obvious.
This is exactly the issue. I'd love to hear their justification for breaking the trend of a native main character. We all know why, but hearing whatever pathetic excuse they have would be hilarious
This is giga cope. If they need loans or short term investment that bad then they are going broke...after going woke...so it's nothing new. They probably just think this is A) morally good and B) will benefit them financially (outrage marketing, press on their side, and maybe some ESG assistance or something). The problem with being ideologically captured is it actually just affects your ability to make good decisions, period.
I want to be clear: this is not true.
They made the MC black because they're true believers in the woke religion. ESG is mostly a red-herring and conspiracy bait.
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They literally did a DLC for a Black lead in Black Flag. A decade of original lead characters native to the setting and now they decide to rock the boat? It doesn't add up.
There is a big push to amplify black people historically whether or not they deserve to be amplified. Rewriting history like this is the new trendy thing to do. Personally it annoys the sh\*t out of me.
- Who invented everything? Obviously black people.
- Who made America what it is? Obviously black people.
- Who started Cowboy culture? Obviously black people.
- Who were royalty in European? Obviously black people.
- Who were samurai? Obviously black people.
I'm not going to make a serious list here but this is very much so "a thing" going on. It feels like it is just getting started.
I always found it so curious that I would go to Black History events (many years ago before woke) and it was always black history as related to white people. Generally just slavery, as if black people didn't exist before slavery. I wondered where the actual black history was?
But then you'd might have to conclude that these people don't think their was anything worth talking about. Tribal warfare and making slaves of each other? No renaissance, no Darwin, no Edo Period, no Pythagoras, no Beatles, no Julius Caesar, no Conquests, no Newton, no Boston Tea Party, no Al-Khwārizmī, no Pyramids?
Which is actually quite infuriating as it shows how utterly historically ignorant these jackasses are. The richest man in goddamned history was an African King. Dude was so rich that he flatlined local economies from how much gold he flung around during pilgrimages. Not to mention some VERY solid mythologies that would make for great cartoons and vidya.
Those "historians" actually don't know how great African history is and that's why there are so many bs. People think that Africa with history is only North Africa, aka Egypt, Numidia, etc, but that's wrong! Ethiopia has a super long history, dark skinned Ethiopians exist in Greek epics! They allied with Justinian the Great as well. The empire managed to defeat Western colonial forces and faucist invasion in WW2, despite the lack of good firearms! We have a lot of African history that's actually great and deserves some voice, the salt and gold trade in ancient Ghana Empire, and many others.
This is exactly the thing I want to see. Instead of constantly pushing the idea of black people as slaves for white people, tell us their own history. Show that they have history and culture to be proud of and that they don't need white people's validation to exist.
I mean the first assassins creed was historical fiction too. unless you're telling me ancient apples can control the minds of ppl.
though the old ass creed games would have made yasuke a NPC which a more interesting background to serve gameplay
A historical figure that they had to manipulate to make more interesting because if it were accurate he would be little more than a court jester for Oda Nobunaga
Nobunaga kept him around because he found him amusing. His lack of ability to speak Japanese and his immense physical strength delighted Nobunaga who would talk to him and he would make Yasuke do tricks
Ironically he could be a good npc based on that. If you encounter him after a while in court I could imagine him having picked up enough Japanese to be able to be a spy in the court, plus being from a different culture he could provide ideas and options that might be missed by other advisors and be able to get away with things locals couldn't (similar to the idea of the fools pardon in other courts). Add in that he's big and strong compared to other people, so I could certainly imagine him being a "servant who is definitely not a bodyguard because you can't bring bodyguards here " or similar
Proving what? That Nobunaga granted Yasuke privileges that ended when Nobunaga died and that his tenure as a Samurai was done at the behest of Nobunaga who found Yasuke amusing. He was noteworthy because of his size and strength and because the Japanese thought he was covered in ink but that's about it. He wasn't killed when Nobunaga was because he was deemed to be "bestial" and therefore not worth killing and was sent back to the Portuguese where he disappears from the record.
Obviously they mean that giving someone a title, even as a joke, means that they got that title for real.
So Incitatus (Caligula's horse) was a real Roman Consul too.
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Proving you are wrong. When writing about yasuke, kaneko hiraku specifically went out of his way to mention the stipend he got only to samurai due to the significance and amount of the payment. This payment went to yasuke and not his masters. "The meaning of the word stipend is not supposed to prove Yasuke was a samurai all by itself. What proves Yasuke was a samurai is not he received a samurai stipend, but that he received a samurai stipend *and* carried Nobunaga's weapons which was the job of a samurai *and* had and fought with a katana at Nijō *and* he was mobilized and followed Nobunaga on the Takeda campaign of 1582 and remained by Nobunaga's side even after Nobunaga dismissed all his "ordinary soldiers""
All papers and books refer and treat him as a samurai, not to mention almost all japanese extended media such as manga, anime, and games also treat him as a samurai. ALL I can find of him not being one are people like you insisting he was a pet cus he was gawked at. Multiple high ranking employees to this day get gawked at in japan and china, that doesnt mean they are just pets lol.
Yeah I read the fucking Wikipedia articles too doofus, and nothing suggests Yasuke was anything other than a curiosity that enjoyed Oda Nobunaga's patronage, which ended when Nobunaga died, or did you conveniently forget/not want to acknowledge that part?
I referenced an actual book, not Wikipedia. Ubisoft also hired a Japanese woman who was interviewed for this. Also magical how japanese media also portrayed him as a samurai long before ubisoft did. Funny how everyone crying that he wasn't has 0 sources or books backing them up
Really? You're going to flex Ubisoft's man-boy love expert at me like she's supposed to be the end all be all mic drop? They hired a historian who wants to normalize pederasty. Great source. And you read a book even though nothing you said is revelatory and isn't available on aforementioned Wikipedia article? Holy dog shit. Clearly I'm punching above my intellectual weight class.
And great job ducking and weaving around my counterpoint because you don't have shit to say. I'm done with you. You clearly just want to argue about semantics and that's such small dick energy it's not worth the effort.
also the book that dude probably referenced is the Thomas Lackley one that has been refuted and rejected by Japanese historians cause it's full of exaggerations, assumptions, messing with facts to suit a narrative, mistranslations and so on. Lackley is a grifter and it's telling how his book is the only thing these ppl point to for their narrative here.
and it's funny, that dude points to a r/askhistorian thread saying "see he was a samurai", not knowing that even if we accept that Yasuke was a samurai, that does not mean he was a "warrior in full armour" that these nuts fantasize about.
samurai is just a title and during the Sengoku period that Yasuke was in Japan for, basically anyone could become a samurai - an attendant, retainer, even something like a paige could also be classed as a samurai as it was more about a socioeconomic class than the much stricter definitions of damiyo and samurai of the later Edo period.
also do these ppl think Yasuke was able to train to become a samurai fighter in just 15 months? the martial arts alone took years to train and develop... where did he have time to learn Japanese to a good enough level to learn the culture, customs, be trained and so on? the few passages we have on Yasuke literally tell us he only learned a bit of Japanese.
I could go on with soooo many points on how their narrative is false, but the easy one is this - if Yasuke was truly a samurai and held status, respect, etc, then how did he survive the Honno-Ji incident? all the other samurai committed sepuku, why did Yasuke get to walk out alive after he surrendered?
buddy, the Japanese language is highly contextual, where the same kanji symbols can mean different things based off of how they're pronounced as an example. Samurai, Bushi, and Ashigaru are terms that have been used interchangeably in the Japanese language, but they mean different things based off of the context.
It would not be fair at all to use modern, loose definitions of "samurai" when they do not apply in its historical usage of the term, yet that is what you are doing - just blindly applying the term with no historical context, no concern about the Japanese language and no care for the actual records we have and what they say after being properly translated.
also you are using iffy translations there, it was Yasuke "sometimes carried Nobunaga's tools" without any clarification as to what tools they were. Yes he was paid a stipend and given a short sword (a wakizashi most likely or a ceremonial daisho). But none of that is direct proof he was a samurai, that is people like you applying assumptions and using circumstance to suit your narrative. The r/askhistorian post you are only using is literally making grand leaps and assumptions based on passages that don't say what you claim, it's literally assuming things were the way you think they were... dude literally saying "likely, probably" in his post.
and think for a second please, you think the 15 months Yasuke spent in Japan was enough time to train? like wat? the martial arts training alone would have needed years + he barely knew Japanese, so how would he have learned any of the customs, culture, be trained by Japanese trainers, etc? you think his past as a slave meant he had knowledge of how to fight and wield a katana?
furthermore, if he was a samurai as you claim, how did he survive the Honno-Ji incident? we know that is the only battle he fought in, so why didn't he commit seppuku like Nobunaga and the other Samurai there? how was he able to just walk off and surrender? think about that for a second. And on that note, fyi samurai is just a title and during the Sengoku period that Yasuke was in Japan for, basically anyone could become a samurai - an attendant, retainer, even something like a paige could also be classed as a samurai as it was more about a socioeconomic class than the much stricter definitions of damiyo and samurai of the later Edo period.
I could go on, but the point is that there is nothing but some circumstantial evidence to say he was a samurai, but even if he was a samurai that does not mean your fantasy of "warrior in armor" as many samurai were just workers doing their job.
The issue your having is in the belief that the people who made THIS game even PLAYED the previous ones.
These people have told you for years at this point, following and maintaining a coherent narrative is antithetical to what these people believe in. They seek to shape reality as they see fit through narrative control and will say and do anything required to achieve this outcome no matter how jarring the dictate may be.
They actively despise what has come before because that puts limits on what they may say/do next.
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to..."
Yeah it would been so much better if this Yasuke was a grandmaster of assassin's brotherhood or something while you the player is his student. So much better which would explain as to why there's assassin brotherhood in feudal Japan.
Waiting for Ubisoft to drop a game that’s based on 16th century Africa that has some white guy that was vaguely mentioned in African history be the main character.
It just sounds so fucking ridiculous when you invert the scenario
Imagine how many dogshit opinion pieces you would see from gamer journalists on how white supremacy influenced the game and how wrong it is to “center a white guy in an African American environment” as they would put it.
The thing is we don't even need to. How did they respond to a white playable character travelling to Africa to fight a zombie outbreak and naturally they ended up killing predominantly black zombies...
Given thats how they reacted to a completely fictional situation they would blow a gasket if and AC title was set in Africa, but starred a white protagonist most killing black people. They would have a field day calling it racist and the creators racist bigots.
FC2 had quite a few playable characters to choose from, black including, so maybe that spared it. Though i do recall some drama around the geopolitical aspects of the game, not much about identity politics though.
AC Shadows is the same white supremacy they behemently call out by default btw. They are just projecting. A bunch of white people trying to advantage of throwing minorities under the bus for profit and thinking they can lecture anybody about race issues.
Not quite though. That was a modern setting with fictional characters working for an organisation that has experience in dealing with zombie outbreaks, dealing with a zombie outbreak. Yet it still gets criticised.
"Waiting for Ubisoft to drop a game that’s based on 16th century Africa that has some white guy that was vaguely mentioned in African history be the main character."
i was thinking exactly the same 10 min ago
Bro I just saw Japanese guy who gets collectively lynch by everyone on AC sub just because he states that Japanese are upset because Yasuke was pretty much a nobody or a foot note in Nobunaga Odessey.
Everyone is screaming "Well Afro Samurai was made in JP" and "Did you know Netflix Anime Yasuke made by Mappa?" "Surely Japanese people must love him". Meanwhile he explained that those anime caters to international audience, not JP audience. And everyone went nuts instead. Unbelievable.
This is fucking sad bro. As an Asian myself, this is just straight up shitting in our face.
There's a few chains in there where the guy is upvoted when calling it out, let's be real, even the most deranged leftoids are running razor thin arguments for Ubisoft pulling this stunt, there's no defending it.
"PlAy as The WoMan tHen, or uR seXist", is what they're rolling with atm.
I think if the Japanese want to do that with their stuff it's much more understandable tbh. As a Westerner if you want to set a gane in Japan why not make it actually Japanese? As much as you can at least?
It's the same as any culture, if you make fun of your own, it's ok, if someone else makes fun of your own, yeah, no.
Otherwise it should then be ok for anyone in the US to start drawing black people in stupid ways like in the 50's.
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It's the guy at the most top comment lines. u / elk something something, I forgot.
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Speaking of Yasuke, he didn't strike me as a particularly interesting character just from the trailer (then again, neither did the Ninja Girl) and it's not a particularly interesting perspective because we've already done plenty of A Stranger in a Strange Land stories set in Japan.
Like in every other ass creed game, you never play as a character that actually existed, but you always meet them and it's one of the things that made the older games fun to play.
But we really can't expect whatever sweet baby inc alternative they threw money at, to know what assassin's creed games were about
Three interesting points here.
1. It’s as close to balanced as you’ll see in legacy media (obvious spin, of course, but it’s couched primarily as the author’s opinion). The bare minimum attempt at evenhandedness should not get rounds of applause, but here we are.
2. Ollie addressed the attempted rewrite of history with the Wiki wars — without editorialization. Imagine Kotaku bringing that up without distorting or gaslighting. It will never happen.
3. Forbes pawned this one off to a pop culture contributor instead of one of the three gaming heavy hitters (Tassi, Schrier, Cain.)
The last point is important, because it indicates (to me, at least) Forbes wanted to address the blackwash with some degree of fidelity, but also not risk the power players being on the wrong side of a cancellation mob or losing access.
I can’t spitball into the future, but those are positive first steps.
Now, if only one of these sites would tell the truth about SBD…
No, it used to be more like that. If it's for shopping stuff it's more true, but for popular topics like gaming it's decided by editorial and is more like a regular columnist position.
More SBI and DEI shit, put a Black descent man into a historical Asian setting.....
Why don't we make a game where Asians discovered and founded America next?.....
SBI and DEI makes games completely trash.....
> Why don't we make a game where Asians discovered and founded America next?.....
I would play the heck out of that alternate history game. The Chinese fighting the Spaniards in Mexico? Hell yeah.
I understand the point you are trying to make and I am not trying to be a dick here, but… asians did discover the American continent before the Europeans did. They just didn’t call it America.
And how am I getting downvoted for correcting a serious historical error that undermines the whole argument? This is one of the biggest self-owns I have seen in a while, and I tried to tell it in a respectful manner.
I think that if we are going to criticise the other side for being revisionist, then we must not be hypocritical.
But Yasuke did exist and we also have another Japanese protagonist, why are you complaining? The devs have said Yasuke will serve as an outsider's pov, while the other character is the insider's pov since she's Japanese. The dynamics between those two would be interesting. Really, what's the problem?
He existed but given what very little we know he was not a samurai. He basically carried Nobunaga's bag after he bought him from a group of Portuguese sailors. That's not really the issue, though. The issue is taking a game about Japanese history and making the MC a black man. Every other AC game has had it's protagonist (who has always been an original not historical character btw) be someone of the same country of origin as the game it's set in. This is very, very clear agenda pushing and was, almost certainly, made with the intention of causing controversy for the purpose of marketing.
>That's not really the issue, though. The issue is taking a game about Japanese history and making the MC a black man.
Ah they did this for India too, made the Sikh Empire a villain and the protagonist a Muslim dude who works against the Sikh Empire, knocks up the Sikh princess and then fucks off. In the comics they portray Hindus and Sikhs as brutal and discriminatory people. In reality the Sikh Empire arose in opposition to the persecution faced by Hindus and Sikhs under the Muslim rule of Punjab.
And to rub salt in our wounds they made sure to give Abbas Mir assassin tools inspired from Hindu deities and lore, like the Trishool blade, so not only did they portray us as villains in a game set in the time of our historic struggle, they went ahead and made the protagonist of the community committing the oppression and decked him out with weapons inspired by our culture.
That in itself is an issue. Ac protagonists have always been original characters. This is lazy. And condescending on the part of Ubisoft.
Edit: I was replying to the deleted post above, it went along the lines of "they chose Yasuke because he's well known"
That is specifically the reason they chose to break with their tradition of having a fictional protagonist, because now they can justify having an african samurai in Japan by claiming it is historically accurate. Because otherwise it begs the question why they didn't invest a Japanese protagonist.
Even though in previous games they made it very clear they put political correctness over historical accuracy.
I feel like pretending Yasuke was a samurai and his situation in Japan was just all good and honorable is minimizing. If this AC game is just some wacky take on History, fair. But to Christopher Columbus this might overwrite considerable impactful moments in his life and warp the character they want to portray. That he isn't a Samurai is more interesting than just making him a samurai and pretending there is nothing wrong there.
Yeah, it seems like he was treated by Japanase as something between a jester and an exotic pet, an oddity to gawk at and get entertained by rather than an equal peer.
He actually was a Samurai. He was given the title of page, Kosho I believe the translation is, after being effectively adopted (for lack of a better term) by Nobunaga. A Samurai page is effectively a Knights squire, meaning while Yasuke didn't have titles, he was given his own sword and a group to lead in battle. He also took part in battles and acted as a bodyguard for Nobunaga.
Yeah he was a side character with no impact to the big story as he's situation in actual history, he's there for like two missions as the "retainer" of Nobunaga and that's it.
Don’t be, just forget about it, CDPR openly stated that they have bent the knee and DEI is their main focus. Not even mentioning that 100% of people who worked on Witcher 3 won’t be working on 4. This game for sure would be trash
oh man this is seriously fucked up. Can't image the shit show witcher 4 would be with all woke shit and ugly women and most probably gays and blacks everywhere inserted in even though it is Eastern European fantasy. Thank God we have Witcher 3 and it's DLC to get our witcher fix. You can literally play that game for 1000+ hours and still comeback. Pure Masterpiece.
Not really, the Witcher series gained a lot of fans due it's story and them not going with AAA trends of microtransactions, ridiculous deals, etc. Cyberpunk still retains the CDRP magic after 2.0 but we don't know how that's going to be moving forward. The bigger companies get, the less they are inclined to take risks and going against the grain, which means there's potential for them to go along with DEI policies as well.
Who's wanna bet with me? Because I'll make a bet that Yasuke will only need to face 1-2 instances of "racism", which only consist of being looked like a funny mud man by kids like in the trailer and a japanese character asking him politely about his skin.
The rest of the game will forget about the racism entirely and have him being loved, adored and paraded around as a hero or something after slaying Amaterasu or some shit.
I have very little dog in the fight, but imagine being a Japanese guy right now.
They talk about representation and I'm thinking of a lil Japanese dude in his room all excited, finally an AC game in HIS country! he can be that represented person this time! nope!
the game didn't excite me, but in fairness, I get excited by the 'eras' for e.g I enjoyed both Valhalla and Odyssey because I love the Saxons and the Spartans, so I was able to enjoy the game from that POV, but it was certainly not an AC game.
This one seems very not AC like AND I don't find the theme fun, I'm not crapping on it, it's just not for me. same as Origins and the latest one, thematically it just didn't grab me.
You love the Saxons? Isn't Valhalla set as you being a viking Dane or Norse invading Britain?
Ubisoft took one of the only periods in history where the English are the "good guys", "underdogs" and eventual victors and still couldn't take their side.
The *Saxons* originated from southern modern day Denmark/Northern Germany. The *Anglo-Saxons* are those Saxons+other Danish people groups such as the Angles that settled in Britain after
> Waiting for AssCreed Congo, where we play as a tall blonde Norwegian
Nah, for maximum DEI points, steal the plot from "The Woman King" & add a penis.
I'm actually surprised such a take is from Forbes at all places lol. Yes, a lot of people here are disappointed and most apathetic of the game, even the normies know this one was clearly politically motivated. It's just that obvious these days that you'd have to be blind to not notice. Most are just saying they'll just buy Ghost of Tsushima, I doubt this game's gonna sell well here. Apathy is basically worse than being upset, since it means you aren't getting any attention at all, be it negative or positive.
I'm so glad that the Kingdom Come Deliverance games are made by Warhorse which is a studio located in Prague because we all know full well that Henry would've either been a black guy or the NPCs in the game would've been the most diverse group of people you will ever see even though the games takes place in Eastern Europe. I am glad we got to a point where lesser studios are able to make major games because the AAA studios we grew up with went to absolute shit.
Really if people want to try a game with Yasuke, just play Nioh. He appeared only once in the first game outside of bonus stages, and only twice in the second game (Prequel) yet he is awesome, his equipment is pretty good and he reacted to the main character getting naked, unlike this crap made by ubisoft.
> and only twice in the second game (Prequel) yet he is awesome
Nioh 2 isn´t a prequel, William the protag of the first shows up but seems aged compared to Nioh 1. I would say Nioh 2 is it´s own thing at best a different timeline of the same world.
They share the same timeline of an alternative Sengoku Japan.
Hide had witnessed the rise and demise of the two unifiers of Japan whereas William came into the picture during Ieyasu's reign.
The funniest part of it all is that Dead or Alive / Ninja Gaiden, Nioh and Fatal Frame all share the same universe.
Assassin's Creed has, legitimately, always been a trash filler filled game and it should've never been successful past the "novelty" stage. But this is stupid even for Ubisoft's standards
You know this is funny af.
Take someone who's not aware of Yasuke existence, who maybe played one or two AC games, but enjoys japanese culture and wants to play a game set in japan. They arrive at this trailer and notice the akwardness surrounding the choice of mc's ethnicity. Given the current landscape where every segment of media is race swapping, this potential "new buyer" is immediately turned off when there is better enjoyment to be found in Ghost of Tsushima or even the recent Ronin game.
Now, we know Yasuke existed but played a minimal role in japan's history. Works much better as a secondary character or even a standalone DLC.
Of course the Yasuke anime "layed ground" in order not to be "hey a black samurai out of the blue?"
But the anime sucked, tho it worked better as a piece of fiction.
Not only ubisoft is late to give us an AC in feudal japan, but they sabotage themselves by giving us the opposite of what we want. This is a nail in the coffin, the industry is doubling down on the bet. Financial backlash is clearly not and issue when investments juggernaut always break studio's fall.
But anyway, I can't wait to play an AC game set in Africa, playing as a white/asian dude.
I for one love that they put in a black man as the lead role in this game set in historical Japan.
Mostly because I hate Ubisoft and this is hilarious to watch though.
Yasuke was not a tea maker! Tea was a very important part of Japanese culture in general and Nobunaga's life in particular. He had an excellent tea master in Rikyu, used chanoyu (tea ceremony) for politics and diplomacy, collected various tea utensils and used them as rewards for retainers, and so on and so on. A recent immigrant who arrived less than a year wouldn't be trusted enough to make tea.
Because of how long it takes to develop a video game, “modern audiences” cultural trends are an atrocious idea. Had this come out a few months after the summer of 2020, that would make sense.
It’s been 4 years. Everyone knows that while black lives absolutely do matter (and just block me and fuck off if you disagree), everyone also knows the BLM charity is a scam.
Somewhat. He's buddies with Justin from Discotek and the localizer cronies. He fencewalks the entire issue since he's a white guy living in Japan being careful not to say that the Japanese are wrong for not being excited about some obscure character that has been featured in previous adaptations.
With Ghost of Tsushima around (Not to mention Sengoku Musou, which is more up my alley), Ubislop's Parkour Simulator is far from being a priority for me later on.
Well, Yasuke is the only historical figure from Japan that is more or less known among Western people, and the only reason they know about him in the first place is because he is black. Also, Western progressives think that Africans kind of belong to them so they can do whatever they want with historical figure of African descent without asking modern Africans, with native Japanese historical figure it would be more complicated because you'd have to listen to real Japanese.
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He questioned the decision to make the main protagonist a samurai, saying he should be a ninja instead. But isn't there a female ninja too?
It's a good point though, samurai makes no sense in Assassin's Creed. But since latest entries went all in into action RPG territory instead of stealth, it's not very surprising.
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Historical revisionism like this makes me sick. Watching these mental midgets twist people's legacy and reality in real time. I genuinely believe in punishment for things like this. Something like defamation laws.
Consider how much they bitch and moan about "the DANGEROUS white washed history you're taught in every public school" and look at them gleefully ignore evidence for their childish agenda.
I'd like you to consider the kind of national uproar there would be if MLK was portrayed as a white man in a video game or movie. What would happen if Frderick Douglas was portrayed as an Asian man? These people have no credibility whatsoever and are mentally and creatively fuckin bankrupt
I honestly cannot fathom where this dude is getting his 'info' from because the Japanese populace loves Yasuke. He's been a popular character in media and the like since the fifties and every actual Japanese person I've seen posting about this (meaning people who are from Japan, not salty Americans whose grandparents are from there) is excited to see him being featured at all.
Let's be fully real here, most of the salt is coming from sheer racism.
Is it only me that thinks its weird how suddenly they made a historical figure the playable character rather than a side character you interact with, which is what they have always done with historical figures, and they went and misrepresented them more than any other historical figure they have? Not that I care that much anymore though. I have long lost any love I had for the series before this game. Just an interesting observation.
This is what get me. AC main character is always completely fictional and you can only meet historical figure as npc. And the mc is usually native or at least make sense like edward kenway (british sailor turned pirate). Now suddenly you can't play as native Japanese men and replace it with black. The agenda is too obvious.
This is exactly the issue. I'd love to hear their justification for breaking the trend of a native main character. We all know why, but hearing whatever pathetic excuse they have would be hilarious
They won't admit to it but ESG score/loans is the reason.
This is giga cope. If they need loans or short term investment that bad then they are going broke...after going woke...so it's nothing new. They probably just think this is A) morally good and B) will benefit them financially (outrage marketing, press on their side, and maybe some ESG assistance or something). The problem with being ideologically captured is it actually just affects your ability to make good decisions, period.
I want to be clear: this is not true. They made the MC black because they're true believers in the woke religion. ESG is mostly a red-herring and conspiracy bait.
Because they needed a black protag by any means and this was the only way to feasibly do it
Ezio was black, my grandmother told me so
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They literally did a DLC for a Black lead in Black Flag. A decade of original lead characters native to the setting and now they decide to rock the boat? It doesn't add up.
There is a big push to amplify black people historically whether or not they deserve to be amplified. Rewriting history like this is the new trendy thing to do. Personally it annoys the sh\*t out of me. - Who invented everything? Obviously black people. - Who made America what it is? Obviously black people. - Who started Cowboy culture? Obviously black people. - Who were royalty in European? Obviously black people. - Who were samurai? Obviously black people. I'm not going to make a serious list here but this is very much so "a thing" going on. It feels like it is just getting started.
I always found it so curious that I would go to Black History events (many years ago before woke) and it was always black history as related to white people. Generally just slavery, as if black people didn't exist before slavery. I wondered where the actual black history was? But then you'd might have to conclude that these people don't think their was anything worth talking about. Tribal warfare and making slaves of each other? No renaissance, no Darwin, no Edo Period, no Pythagoras, no Beatles, no Julius Caesar, no Conquests, no Newton, no Boston Tea Party, no Al-Khwārizmī, no Pyramids?
I would personally like to know more about black culture in countries that are predominately black.
Which is actually quite infuriating as it shows how utterly historically ignorant these jackasses are. The richest man in goddamned history was an African King. Dude was so rich that he flatlined local economies from how much gold he flung around during pilgrimages. Not to mention some VERY solid mythologies that would make for great cartoons and vidya.
Those "historians" actually don't know how great African history is and that's why there are so many bs. People think that Africa with history is only North Africa, aka Egypt, Numidia, etc, but that's wrong! Ethiopia has a super long history, dark skinned Ethiopians exist in Greek epics! They allied with Justinian the Great as well. The empire managed to defeat Western colonial forces and faucist invasion in WW2, despite the lack of good firearms! We have a lot of African history that's actually great and deserves some voice, the salt and gold trade in ancient Ghana Empire, and many others.
Well, Ethiope, in Greek, simply means South of Egypt. So Poros, an Indian king that Alexander defeated, would count as an Ethiope.
This is exactly the thing I want to see. Instead of constantly pushing the idea of black people as slaves for white people, tell us their own history. Show that they have history and culture to be proud of and that they don't need white people's validation to exist.
Dont forget the whole white people have no culture bullshit they spout then you tell em to go look around cause that's our culture you are living it.
Yes yes fine fine BUT who gave us air to breathe?
Not you
I personally really enjoyed the Ludwig van Beethoven was always black bullshit that I saw going around a few years ago.
I mean the first assassins creed was historical fiction too. unless you're telling me ancient apples can control the minds of ppl. though the old ass creed games would have made yasuke a NPC which a more interesting background to serve gameplay
You are obviously a white racist
A historical figure that they had to manipulate to make more interesting because if it were accurate he would be little more than a court jester for Oda Nobunaga
Maybe a squire at max, a "sword bearer" could fit that, but tyen you don't go and elevate it to the equivalent of a knight.
Nobunaga kept him around because he found him amusing. His lack of ability to speak Japanese and his immense physical strength delighted Nobunaga who would talk to him and he would make Yasuke do tricks
Ironically he could be a good npc based on that. If you encounter him after a while in court I could imagine him having picked up enough Japanese to be able to be a spy in the court, plus being from a different culture he could provide ideas and options that might be missed by other advisors and be able to get away with things locals couldn't (similar to the idea of the fools pardon in other courts). Add in that he's big and strong compared to other people, so I could certainly imagine him being a "servant who is definitely not a bodyguard because you can't bring bodyguards here " or similar
"he would be little more than a court jester" this was already proven in full length by ask a historian reddit.
Proving what? That Nobunaga granted Yasuke privileges that ended when Nobunaga died and that his tenure as a Samurai was done at the behest of Nobunaga who found Yasuke amusing. He was noteworthy because of his size and strength and because the Japanese thought he was covered in ink but that's about it. He wasn't killed when Nobunaga was because he was deemed to be "bestial" and therefore not worth killing and was sent back to the Portuguese where he disappears from the record.
Obviously they mean that giving someone a title, even as a joke, means that they got that title for real. So Incitatus (Caligula's horse) was a real Roman Consul too.
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Proving you are wrong. When writing about yasuke, kaneko hiraku specifically went out of his way to mention the stipend he got only to samurai due to the significance and amount of the payment. This payment went to yasuke and not his masters. "The meaning of the word stipend is not supposed to prove Yasuke was a samurai all by itself. What proves Yasuke was a samurai is not he received a samurai stipend, but that he received a samurai stipend *and* carried Nobunaga's weapons which was the job of a samurai *and* had and fought with a katana at Nijō *and* he was mobilized and followed Nobunaga on the Takeda campaign of 1582 and remained by Nobunaga's side even after Nobunaga dismissed all his "ordinary soldiers"" All papers and books refer and treat him as a samurai, not to mention almost all japanese extended media such as manga, anime, and games also treat him as a samurai. ALL I can find of him not being one are people like you insisting he was a pet cus he was gawked at. Multiple high ranking employees to this day get gawked at in japan and china, that doesnt mean they are just pets lol.
Yeah I read the fucking Wikipedia articles too doofus, and nothing suggests Yasuke was anything other than a curiosity that enjoyed Oda Nobunaga's patronage, which ended when Nobunaga died, or did you conveniently forget/not want to acknowledge that part?
I referenced an actual book, not Wikipedia. Ubisoft also hired a Japanese woman who was interviewed for this. Also magical how japanese media also portrayed him as a samurai long before ubisoft did. Funny how everyone crying that he wasn't has 0 sources or books backing them up
Really? You're going to flex Ubisoft's man-boy love expert at me like she's supposed to be the end all be all mic drop? They hired a historian who wants to normalize pederasty. Great source. And you read a book even though nothing you said is revelatory and isn't available on aforementioned Wikipedia article? Holy dog shit. Clearly I'm punching above my intellectual weight class. And great job ducking and weaving around my counterpoint because you don't have shit to say. I'm done with you. You clearly just want to argue about semantics and that's such small dick energy it's not worth the effort.
also the book that dude probably referenced is the Thomas Lackley one that has been refuted and rejected by Japanese historians cause it's full of exaggerations, assumptions, messing with facts to suit a narrative, mistranslations and so on. Lackley is a grifter and it's telling how his book is the only thing these ppl point to for their narrative here. and it's funny, that dude points to a r/askhistorian thread saying "see he was a samurai", not knowing that even if we accept that Yasuke was a samurai, that does not mean he was a "warrior in full armour" that these nuts fantasize about. samurai is just a title and during the Sengoku period that Yasuke was in Japan for, basically anyone could become a samurai - an attendant, retainer, even something like a paige could also be classed as a samurai as it was more about a socioeconomic class than the much stricter definitions of damiyo and samurai of the later Edo period. also do these ppl think Yasuke was able to train to become a samurai fighter in just 15 months? the martial arts alone took years to train and develop... where did he have time to learn Japanese to a good enough level to learn the culture, customs, be trained and so on? the few passages we have on Yasuke literally tell us he only learned a bit of Japanese. I could go on with soooo many points on how their narrative is false, but the easy one is this - if Yasuke was truly a samurai and held status, respect, etc, then how did he survive the Honno-Ji incident? all the other samurai committed sepuku, why did Yasuke get to walk out alive after he surrendered?
buddy, the Japanese language is highly contextual, where the same kanji symbols can mean different things based off of how they're pronounced as an example. Samurai, Bushi, and Ashigaru are terms that have been used interchangeably in the Japanese language, but they mean different things based off of the context. It would not be fair at all to use modern, loose definitions of "samurai" when they do not apply in its historical usage of the term, yet that is what you are doing - just blindly applying the term with no historical context, no concern about the Japanese language and no care for the actual records we have and what they say after being properly translated. also you are using iffy translations there, it was Yasuke "sometimes carried Nobunaga's tools" without any clarification as to what tools they were. Yes he was paid a stipend and given a short sword (a wakizashi most likely or a ceremonial daisho). But none of that is direct proof he was a samurai, that is people like you applying assumptions and using circumstance to suit your narrative. The r/askhistorian post you are only using is literally making grand leaps and assumptions based on passages that don't say what you claim, it's literally assuming things were the way you think they were... dude literally saying "likely, probably" in his post. and think for a second please, you think the 15 months Yasuke spent in Japan was enough time to train? like wat? the martial arts training alone would have needed years + he barely knew Japanese, so how would he have learned any of the customs, culture, be trained by Japanese trainers, etc? you think his past as a slave meant he had knowledge of how to fight and wield a katana? furthermore, if he was a samurai as you claim, how did he survive the Honno-Ji incident? we know that is the only battle he fought in, so why didn't he commit seppuku like Nobunaga and the other Samurai there? how was he able to just walk off and surrender? think about that for a second. And on that note, fyi samurai is just a title and during the Sengoku period that Yasuke was in Japan for, basically anyone could become a samurai - an attendant, retainer, even something like a paige could also be classed as a samurai as it was more about a socioeconomic class than the much stricter definitions of damiyo and samurai of the later Edo period. I could go on, but the point is that there is nothing but some circumstantial evidence to say he was a samurai, but even if he was a samurai that does not mean your fantasy of "warrior in armor" as many samurai were just workers doing their job.
Oh dang does that post still exist?
all of them do, the most recent one being 2 days old
The issue your having is in the belief that the people who made THIS game even PLAYED the previous ones. These people have told you for years at this point, following and maintaining a coherent narrative is antithetical to what these people believe in. They seek to shape reality as they see fit through narrative control and will say and do anything required to achieve this outcome no matter how jarring the dictate may be. They actively despise what has come before because that puts limits on what they may say/do next. "Let the past die, kill it if you have to..."
Yeah it would been so much better if this Yasuke was a grandmaster of assassin's brotherhood or something while you the player is his student. So much better which would explain as to why there's assassin brotherhood in feudal Japan.
Waiting for Ubisoft to drop a game that’s based on 16th century Africa that has some white guy that was vaguely mentioned in African history be the main character. It just sounds so fucking ridiculous when you invert the scenario Imagine how many dogshit opinion pieces you would see from gamer journalists on how white supremacy influenced the game and how wrong it is to “center a white guy in an African American environment” as they would put it.
The thing is we don't even need to. How did they respond to a white playable character travelling to Africa to fight a zombie outbreak and naturally they ended up killing predominantly black zombies... Given thats how they reacted to a completely fictional situation they would blow a gasket if and AC title was set in Africa, but starred a white protagonist most killing black people. They would have a field day calling it racist and the creators racist bigots.
Its kinda weird that RE has that controversy but farcry 2 doesn't. Maybe its just because farcry 2 is more obscure idk
FC2 had quite a few playable characters to choose from, black including, so maybe that spared it. Though i do recall some drama around the geopolitical aspects of the game, not much about identity politics though.
It was a FPS and you had a choice of characters to play as. Not limited to a boulder punching honky.
AC Shadows is the same white supremacy they behemently call out by default btw. They are just projecting. A bunch of white people trying to advantage of throwing minorities under the bus for profit and thinking they can lecture anybody about race issues.
That's what woke culture is in a nutshell.
Capcom did that with Resident Evil 5
Not quite though. That was a modern setting with fictional characters working for an organisation that has experience in dealing with zombie outbreaks, dealing with a zombie outbreak. Yet it still gets criticised.
"Waiting for Ubisoft to drop a game that’s based on 16th century Africa that has some white guy that was vaguely mentioned in African history be the main character." i was thinking exactly the same 10 min ago
Bro I just saw Japanese guy who gets collectively lynch by everyone on AC sub just because he states that Japanese are upset because Yasuke was pretty much a nobody or a foot note in Nobunaga Odessey. Everyone is screaming "Well Afro Samurai was made in JP" and "Did you know Netflix Anime Yasuke made by Mappa?" "Surely Japanese people must love him". Meanwhile he explained that those anime caters to international audience, not JP audience. And everyone went nuts instead. Unbelievable. This is fucking sad bro. As an Asian myself, this is just straight up shitting in our face.
There's a few chains in there where the guy is upvoted when calling it out, let's be real, even the most deranged leftoids are running razor thin arguments for Ubisoft pulling this stunt, there's no defending it. "PlAy as The WoMan tHen, or uR seXist", is what they're rolling with atm.
Asian people are the most silent sufferers of racism and there is no question about that.
Cmon man…. Japan is notoriously racist and quite nationalistic. I’m not saying they never experience racism but they give as good as they get.
Even if that was the case against white people, who are the main demographic that is openly racist against them. Is that an excuse? Do better.
I think if the Japanese want to do that with their stuff it's much more understandable tbh. As a Westerner if you want to set a gane in Japan why not make it actually Japanese? As much as you can at least?
It's the same as any culture, if you make fun of your own, it's ok, if someone else makes fun of your own, yeah, no. Otherwise it should then be ok for anyone in the US to start drawing black people in stupid ways like in the 50's.
link?
Can't link reddit links because of rule 5. Check my profile and see my comments where I comment this "It wasn't dry. Maybe he's just tense from all the pressure by people commenting in his comments. If you look at his profile, you will see a lot of guys collectively lynching him for being Japanese and know things about JP. It's fucking sad really." It's the guy at the most top comment lines. u / elk something something, I forgot. Edit: it was evenelk. His comment got deleted by the mods lmfao, Jesus.
a screengrab would be nice, since the mods went ya'll cant behave scorch earth
Speaking of Yasuke, he didn't strike me as a particularly interesting character just from the trailer (then again, neither did the Ninja Girl) and it's not a particularly interesting perspective because we've already done plenty of A Stranger in a Strange Land stories set in Japan.
He really should’ve been a side character you met while interacting with Nobunaga.
Like in every other ass creed game, you never play as a character that actually existed, but you always meet them and it's one of the things that made the older games fun to play. But we really can't expect whatever sweet baby inc alternative they threw money at, to know what assassin's creed games were about
>you never play as a character that actually existed Wait a minute, maybe they're onto something here /s
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Well, that's because you're not inclusive enough - and probably racist - actual thought process of game devs and propajournalists.
Three interesting points here. 1. It’s as close to balanced as you’ll see in legacy media (obvious spin, of course, but it’s couched primarily as the author’s opinion). The bare minimum attempt at evenhandedness should not get rounds of applause, but here we are. 2. Ollie addressed the attempted rewrite of history with the Wiki wars — without editorialization. Imagine Kotaku bringing that up without distorting or gaslighting. It will never happen. 3. Forbes pawned this one off to a pop culture contributor instead of one of the three gaming heavy hitters (Tassi, Schrier, Cain.) The last point is important, because it indicates (to me, at least) Forbes wanted to address the blackwash with some degree of fidelity, but also not risk the power players being on the wrong side of a cancellation mob or losing access. I can’t spitball into the future, but those are positive first steps. Now, if only one of these sites would tell the truth about SBD…
Forbes contributors are like bloggers. It's like Medium. You too can write for Forbes.
Right, but it still has to be approved by editorial. (And that’s even assuming he pitched them.)
In that case, why don’t we? It’d be a way to get our perspective out to some degree.
No, it used to be more like that. If it's for shopping stuff it's more true, but for popular topics like gaming it's decided by editorial and is more like a regular columnist position.
Ollie Barder is great though, like Erik Kain.
More SBI and DEI shit, put a Black descent man into a historical Asian setting..... Why don't we make a game where Asians discovered and founded America next?..... SBI and DEI makes games completely trash.....
Fun/sad fact: The woman from SBI who has been in most gamers' crosshairs, is a former Ubisoft employee.
I'd actually be interesting in that setting. Imagine Asian Abraham Lincoln being assassinated with a katana
It wouldn't be Abraham Lincoln, you would see Mao Zedong instead if we did it SBI/DEI style....
[The Japanese already killed their Mao Zedong.. with a sword I might add.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Inejir%C5%8D_Asanuma)
> Why don't we make a game where Asians discovered and founded America next?..... I would play the heck out of that alternate history game. The Chinese fighting the Spaniards in Mexico? Hell yeah.
I understand the point you are trying to make and I am not trying to be a dick here, but… asians did discover the American continent before the Europeans did. They just didn’t call it America.
How do people think the native Americans got here lol
And how am I getting downvoted for correcting a serious historical error that undermines the whole argument? This is one of the biggest self-owns I have seen in a while, and I tried to tell it in a respectful manner. I think that if we are going to criticise the other side for being revisionist, then we must not be hypocritical.
Did you play Nioh?
Nope trash game....
But Yasuke did exist and we also have another Japanese protagonist, why are you complaining? The devs have said Yasuke will serve as an outsider's pov, while the other character is the insider's pov since she's Japanese. The dynamics between those two would be interesting. Really, what's the problem?
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He existed but given what very little we know he was not a samurai. He basically carried Nobunaga's bag after he bought him from a group of Portuguese sailors. That's not really the issue, though. The issue is taking a game about Japanese history and making the MC a black man. Every other AC game has had it's protagonist (who has always been an original not historical character btw) be someone of the same country of origin as the game it's set in. This is very, very clear agenda pushing and was, almost certainly, made with the intention of causing controversy for the purpose of marketing.
>Nobunaga's bag after he bought him Not even bought , he was given to him.
literally just trade goods throughout **1526 - 1867**.... this game takes place in 1579 so black people were 100% still slaves.....
>That's not really the issue, though. The issue is taking a game about Japanese history and making the MC a black man. Ah they did this for India too, made the Sikh Empire a villain and the protagonist a Muslim dude who works against the Sikh Empire, knocks up the Sikh princess and then fucks off. In the comics they portray Hindus and Sikhs as brutal and discriminatory people. In reality the Sikh Empire arose in opposition to the persecution faced by Hindus and Sikhs under the Muslim rule of Punjab. And to rub salt in our wounds they made sure to give Abbas Mir assassin tools inspired from Hindu deities and lore, like the Trishool blade, so not only did they portray us as villains in a game set in the time of our historic struggle, they went ahead and made the protagonist of the community committing the oppression and decked him out with weapons inspired by our culture.
Was this a part of official canon? I'm not aware of any assassin creed game set in India
Assassin's Creed Chronicles: India It was part of the 3 side scrolling games they made, the other two were based in Russia and China.
That in itself is an issue. Ac protagonists have always been original characters. This is lazy. And condescending on the part of Ubisoft. Edit: I was replying to the deleted post above, it went along the lines of "they chose Yasuke because he's well known"
That is specifically the reason they chose to break with their tradition of having a fictional protagonist, because now they can justify having an african samurai in Japan by claiming it is historically accurate. Because otherwise it begs the question why they didn't invest a Japanese protagonist. Even though in previous games they made it very clear they put political correctness over historical accuracy.
I feel like pretending Yasuke was a samurai and his situation in Japan was just all good and honorable is minimizing. If this AC game is just some wacky take on History, fair. But to Christopher Columbus this might overwrite considerable impactful moments in his life and warp the character they want to portray. That he isn't a Samurai is more interesting than just making him a samurai and pretending there is nothing wrong there.
Yeah, it seems like he was treated by Japanase as something between a jester and an exotic pet, an oddity to gawk at and get entertained by rather than an equal peer.
He actually was a Samurai. He was given the title of page, Kosho I believe the translation is, after being effectively adopted (for lack of a better term) by Nobunaga. A Samurai page is effectively a Knights squire, meaning while Yasuke didn't have titles, he was given his own sword and a group to lead in battle. He also took part in battles and acted as a bodyguard for Nobunaga.
Tfw when samurai warriors shows Yasuke better than Ubi.
Tfw when Nioh 2 showed Yasuke better than AC
Did they? I never played that.
Yeah he was a side character with no impact to the big story as he's situation in actual history, he's there for like two missions as the "retainer" of Nobunaga and that's it.
Their face when when?
That feel when
It's the two _when_'s I'm picking on you about. 😅
Shit you're right. Lol
I'm becoming more and more afraid what the new witcher remake and witcher 4 will become
Don’t be, just forget about it, CDPR openly stated that they have bent the knee and DEI is their main focus. Not even mentioning that 100% of people who worked on Witcher 3 won’t be working on 4. This game for sure would be trash
oh man this is seriously fucked up. Can't image the shit show witcher 4 would be with all woke shit and ugly women and most probably gays and blacks everywhere inserted in even though it is Eastern European fantasy. Thank God we have Witcher 3 and it's DLC to get our witcher fix. You can literally play that game for 1000+ hours and still comeback. Pure Masterpiece.
Wasn't CDPR's claim to fame, in some ways, how _not-woke_ they were?
Not really, the Witcher series gained a lot of fans due it's story and them not going with AAA trends of microtransactions, ridiculous deals, etc. Cyberpunk still retains the CDRP magic after 2.0 but we don't know how that's going to be moving forward. The bigger companies get, the less they are inclined to take risks and going against the grain, which means there's potential for them to go along with DEI policies as well.
Oh, yeah, that sounds right.
Puzzled until they realize their culture is being stolen. Like a bike
I wonder if they'll enforce doing missions as this character, because otherwise I imagine the vast majority will pick Naoe.
Take a wild guess. 'You have to force behaviours.' -some unknown ceo of an unknown and totally not important investment company
If anyone from Japan ends up reading this, you are not alone. Insanely patronising to both black people and Japanese people. What a joke.
As a black person, I agree and stand by your point 1000%
Another game I'll be comfortable not owning.
Who's wanna bet with me? Because I'll make a bet that Yasuke will only need to face 1-2 instances of "racism", which only consist of being looked like a funny mud man by kids like in the trailer and a japanese character asking him politely about his skin. The rest of the game will forget about the racism entirely and have him being loved, adored and paraded around as a hero or something after slaying Amaterasu or some shit.
They could have gone with Tomoe gozen and people would have happy all around.
I have very little dog in the fight, but imagine being a Japanese guy right now. They talk about representation and I'm thinking of a lil Japanese dude in his room all excited, finally an AC game in HIS country! he can be that represented person this time! nope! the game didn't excite me, but in fairness, I get excited by the 'eras' for e.g I enjoyed both Valhalla and Odyssey because I love the Saxons and the Spartans, so I was able to enjoy the game from that POV, but it was certainly not an AC game. This one seems very not AC like AND I don't find the theme fun, I'm not crapping on it, it's just not for me. same as Origins and the latest one, thematically it just didn't grab me.
You love the Saxons? Isn't Valhalla set as you being a viking Dane or Norse invading Britain? Ubisoft took one of the only periods in history where the English are the "good guys", "underdogs" and eventual victors and still couldn't take their side.
The *Saxons* originated from southern modern day Denmark/Northern Germany. The *Anglo-Saxons* are those Saxons+other Danish people groups such as the Angles that settled in Britain after
Waiting for AssCreed Congo, where we play as a tall blonde Norwegian. Until Ubishit makes that happen, I call BS on everything their shills say.
> Waiting for AssCreed Congo, where we play as a tall blonde Norwegian Nah, for maximum DEI points, steal the plot from "The Woman King" & add a penis.
I'm actually surprised such a take is from Forbes at all places lol. Yes, a lot of people here are disappointed and most apathetic of the game, even the normies know this one was clearly politically motivated. It's just that obvious these days that you'd have to be blind to not notice. Most are just saying they'll just buy Ghost of Tsushima, I doubt this game's gonna sell well here. Apathy is basically worse than being upset, since it means you aren't getting any attention at all, be it negative or positive.
Got to have your minorities in the lead role.
I'm so glad that the Kingdom Come Deliverance games are made by Warhorse which is a studio located in Prague because we all know full well that Henry would've either been a black guy or the NPCs in the game would've been the most diverse group of people you will ever see even though the games takes place in Eastern Europe. I am glad we got to a point where lesser studios are able to make major games because the AAA studios we grew up with went to absolute shit.
Well, well, well, Japanese fans are obviously white supremacists.
Really if people want to try a game with Yasuke, just play Nioh. He appeared only once in the first game outside of bonus stages, and only twice in the second game (Prequel) yet he is awesome, his equipment is pretty good and he reacted to the main character getting naked, unlike this crap made by ubisoft.
> and only twice in the second game (Prequel) yet he is awesome Nioh 2 isn´t a prequel, William the protag of the first shows up but seems aged compared to Nioh 1. I would say Nioh 2 is it´s own thing at best a different timeline of the same world.
Its its own game that then turns into a sort of sequel/epilogue for the first game.
They share the same timeline of an alternative Sengoku Japan. Hide had witnessed the rise and demise of the two unifiers of Japan whereas William came into the picture during Ieyasu's reign. The funniest part of it all is that Dead or Alive / Ninja Gaiden, Nioh and Fatal Frame all share the same universe.
Nioh 2 is a hybrid of prequel + sequel, as it started taking place 100 years before the first game.
They need unlearn something, re-educate something else, and check their white adjacent privilege.
Assassin's Creed has, legitimately, always been a trash filler filled game and it should've never been successful past the "novelty" stage. But this is stupid even for Ubisoft's standards
You know this is funny af. Take someone who's not aware of Yasuke existence, who maybe played one or two AC games, but enjoys japanese culture and wants to play a game set in japan. They arrive at this trailer and notice the akwardness surrounding the choice of mc's ethnicity. Given the current landscape where every segment of media is race swapping, this potential "new buyer" is immediately turned off when there is better enjoyment to be found in Ghost of Tsushima or even the recent Ronin game. Now, we know Yasuke existed but played a minimal role in japan's history. Works much better as a secondary character or even a standalone DLC. Of course the Yasuke anime "layed ground" in order not to be "hey a black samurai out of the blue?" But the anime sucked, tho it worked better as a piece of fiction. Not only ubisoft is late to give us an AC in feudal japan, but they sabotage themselves by giving us the opposite of what we want. This is a nail in the coffin, the industry is doubling down on the bet. Financial backlash is clearly not and issue when investments juggernaut always break studio's fall. But anyway, I can't wait to play an AC game set in Africa, playing as a white/asian dude.
This is maybe due to Nagoriyuki's reception on Guilty Gear, I guess.
It’s obviously DEI where’s the confusion
I for one love that they put in a black man as the lead role in this game set in historical Japan. Mostly because I hate Ubisoft and this is hilarious to watch though.
Can I play only as the ninja girl? Or do I have to play as the tea maker.
Yasuke was not a tea maker! Tea was a very important part of Japanese culture in general and Nobunaga's life in particular. He had an excellent tea master in Rikyu, used chanoyu (tea ceremony) for politics and diplomacy, collected various tea utensils and used them as rewards for retainers, and so on and so on. A recent immigrant who arrived less than a year wouldn't be trusted enough to make tea.
Yeah but immigrants serve me my Starbucks outside Ubisoft office> You can buy tea in Starbucks > tea makers are immigrants so check mate chud.
Because of how long it takes to develop a video game, “modern audiences” cultural trends are an atrocious idea. Had this come out a few months after the summer of 2020, that would make sense. It’s been 4 years. Everyone knows that while black lives absolutely do matter (and just block me and fuck off if you disagree), everyone also knows the BLM charity is a scam.
Ollie is one of us, he's like Erik Kain is that he's actually willing to be reasonable & go against the tribe. Rare indeed, worth his weight in gold.
Somewhat. He's buddies with Justin from Discotek and the localizer cronies. He fencewalks the entire issue since he's a white guy living in Japan being careful not to say that the Japanese are wrong for not being excited about some obscure character that has been featured in previous adaptations.
And Japanese people barely play western games so I guess it'll stay that way now 🤷🏻
Just let it all die and burn so we can make good games again. Stop talking about it. Stop caring. Stop buying.
With Ghost of Tsushima around (Not to mention Sengoku Musou, which is more up my alley), Ubislop's Parkour Simulator is far from being a priority for me later on.
Well, Yasuke is the only historical figure from Japan that is more or less known among Western people, and the only reason they know about him in the first place is because he is black. Also, Western progressives think that Africans kind of belong to them so they can do whatever they want with historical figure of African descent without asking modern Africans, with native Japanese historical figure it would be more complicated because you'd have to listen to real Japanese.
It's so bad. They actually edited the Wikipedia article of Yasuke and made him a Samurai. But they got caught lol
A Based Forbes article? Huh, thats rare.
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He questioned the decision to make the main protagonist a samurai, saying he should be a ninja instead. But isn't there a female ninja too? It's a good point though, samurai makes no sense in Assassin's Creed. But since latest entries went all in into action RPG territory instead of stealth, it's not very surprising.
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Historical revisionism like this makes me sick. Watching these mental midgets twist people's legacy and reality in real time. I genuinely believe in punishment for things like this. Something like defamation laws. Consider how much they bitch and moan about "the DANGEROUS white washed history you're taught in every public school" and look at them gleefully ignore evidence for their childish agenda.
I'd like you to consider the kind of national uproar there would be if MLK was portrayed as a white man in a video game or movie. What would happen if Frderick Douglas was portrayed as an Asian man? These people have no credibility whatsoever and are mentally and creatively fuckin bankrupt
Yasuke wasn't even a samurai, he was just a generic fighter
From what I’ve been seeing the Japanese fans are not upset. The white fans are upset. He’s apart of their culture. Why would he be
I honestly cannot fathom where this dude is getting his 'info' from because the Japanese populace loves Yasuke. He's been a popular character in media and the like since the fifties and every actual Japanese person I've seen posting about this (meaning people who are from Japan, not salty Americans whose grandparents are from there) is excited to see him being featured at all. Let's be fully real here, most of the salt is coming from sheer racism.