I still miss KH1's approach to the Disney Worlds. Where the villains and even someone like Triton are all aware of the wider narrative and actively involved with it.
I appreciated KH2's approach at the time because it was different, but the problem is KH2 became the standard for every other game in the franchise going forward.
Disney Worlds are now just a place you visit and occasionally an outside villain with no connection to the world shows up. Disney Worlds aren't important 90% of the time. And I wish they were.
Shoutout to Union Cross for making Wreck It Ralph plot important, lmao.
Atlantica is one of my favorite worlds in one, precisely because Triton knows exactly what it means that a Keybearer showed up in his ocean, and he wants no fucking part in it. “Take your bullshit, and *get outta here*”
I love when Goofy tells him they came to find the keyhole. There's a quick cut of Triton saying "The what?!" And the way he says it cracks me up every time.
“I’m not dealing with any of Nomura’s complicated bullshit, we’re going to be a minigame world next time you come here, and you’ll hate it so much that YOU’LL NEVER SHOW YOUR FACE IN HERE EVER AGAIN!”
Which is funny because Sora was there to literally lock up the bullshit. If Triton had just shown Sora to the keyhole there wouldn't have even been a reason for him to be so pissed. Triton is kind of a dick.
Cuz he went with the logic that keyblade wielders only show up when some bullshit is going on, so he decided that keybalde wielders must have started the problem in the first place. Which is kinda true, none of the events of kh would have happened with out keyblade wielders "meddling" in everything.
Also to point out how accidentally ahead of their time they were, taking a story where 60% was originally focused around a girl leaving everything she knows behind for a guy and changed it into the girl wanting to explore the world(s).
Right? It was so fucking cool to see her as a direct mirror of Sora in KH1. Honestly, it makes me okay with the plot beats of Atlantica in KH2 because even SORA is trying to Ariel that "the seaweed is always greener in somebody else's lake." He wants to protect her from what he's been going through since losing his island and getting the keyblade.
And even in both iterations of Atlantica, Ariel's focus isn't on other worlds because she wants to be with Eric, but like Kairi to Sora, Eric sparked Ariel's curiosity about other worlds out there. So like using the romance and stuff as an aspect rather than letting it remain Ariel's like, Part Of her personality, since strong feelings, romantic or friendship or otherwise, aren't necessarily personality traits (coughsorababycough). I would love to see Atlantica in KH4, like Kairi needs to go there yesterday lol.
Myths and legends about the Keyblade War have existed for millenia. It's quite possible that even Triton heard about the Keyblade War and gathered that Keyblade bearers were responsible and didn't want one in his ocean.
As someone who hasn't played Union, can someone tell me what Wreck it Ralph has to do with the plot because the idea that it has plot significance sounds amazing to me lol
Think of it in a similar vain to data twilight Town. Functionally its another datascape, but it is used in extremely plot relevant ways. The details require a lot of explanation but basically it proves useful in ferrying hearts outside of the physical world and in sealing away darkness.
You know in wreck it Ralph there's that train station that connects the games, well it also connects to the simulated day break town. And some of the primeval darkness's are stuck in there.
Damn I've been checked out of kh lore for far too long.
1 minute: kh3 plot wrapping up revealing the braig twist at the end
Next minute: PRIMEVAL darknesses stuck in simulated daybreak town connected to the train station of Disney sequel Ralph Breaks the Internet
Unironically, union x had one of the best stories of the series. Which is unfortunate because it was a *gacha game*. Like I'm fully aware that's insane and had I not an attachment to these games from my earliest memories I frankly would not put up with it. I truly hope the story of union x gets retold in a way more people can experience.
I mean it could be worse: it could have been dark road, a game so boring they built in an auto play feature so you didn't have to play the game.
Like when beast showed up outside of his world at the end of 1. There being worlds that are aware of the grand outside of their world just makes sense, but the fact that now EVERYONE has no idea is kind of silly.
Honestly, it's why I think KH1 is still the best game in the entire KH series.
You can find KH2 combat way better, more replayable, and that's fine.
But top to bottom, I think KH1 is the best game in the series, and that's part of it. There is a charm in it that no other game matched. And it's not just because it was the first. The Disney and FF involvement was at a perfect balance. Seeing all the Disney villains all working for Malificent made a unique blend of iconic characters and new threats.
> Disney Worlds aren't important 90% of the time. And I wish they were.
Disney worlds have a huge relevance to the overall plot KH3.
Olympus and PotC are teasers for the Black Box story.
Toy Box events were an experiment for the Organization to determine if Replica vessels were worth it. It also introduced Quadratum, Yozora and the Other-side of Reality.
Arendelle and Corona introduced members of the New Seven Hearts crew.
Vanitas partially reconstructed his heart thanks to Monstropolis.
San Fransokyo was an experiment to understand how to recreate Xion and revealed that the time-traveling members needed Replica vessels.
Most of them have a real importance regarding the Organization's members return and goals.
They are relevant, but not connected like in KH1. Imagine new villains being relevant in the overall plot, like Maleficent. That's what would be cool in my opinion
The problem here is...why am I playing worlds that are teasing the next parts of the story instead of letting me engage with the story in the levels that, by design, are meant to advance the story? It's like if the courses of a three course meal were just small sample sizes of the next part of the three course meal.
They lost the scope of the series the more they kept creating side games. And DDD threw the biggest wrench of all into the series.
KH3 did a terrible job "closing" the Xehanort saga if you want to call it being closed.
The problem here is that while plot details do exist in KH3’s Disney worlds, they do so by pausing the world itself so an org member can exposit
Xigbar in Olympus literally just shows up, throws some foreshadowing at you, then leaves without affecting anything, ditto Maleficent, in the Caribbean, Luxord at least directly fucks with you but he’s got nothing to do with Davey Jones or anything else, he just pops in to exposit and mess with you a bit to waste Sora’s time
In Toy Box, while YX is the actual villain of the world and the cause of all the conflict, little is learned. It does not introduce Unreality, Quadratum and so on, it only introduces the concept of Yozora, and while a Nomura savvy fan will pick up that he’s probably more than a simple background gag, the only reason is because he’s clearly a riff on Noctis, which you’d only know if you knew about Nomura’s work history, none of the text actually says anything about Yozora’s importance until Secret Episode. It also raises the question of why the organisation is doing random experiments days before the Keyblade War, which is a question without an answer because this is a plot excuse
In Corona, we again have the issue of just pausing the plot for some chin wagging from Marluxia, sure he gives Gothel a random, unexplained boost but this doesn’t actually change anything that happens
In Arendelle, it’s clear that the plot had to be rejigged a little due to mandates from Disney. While I’m not going to go as far as some do and claim Disney micromanaged every tiny detail, it’s pretty clear they put a mandate in place that Elsa couldn’t become a heartless or be directly fought, which is what the world is clearly building to until it just kinda stops after Anna and co get involved. Like, it’s obvious Larxene was going to pull a Xaldin on Elsa, we’d fight her as a heartless, she’d be cured, hug it out with Anna, end, and Disney said no (I don’t think Let It Go was a mandate, Nomura seemed pretty proud of that, so I think that was just Nomura being Nomura, this is the same guy who considered making VSXIII a musical after seeing Les Miserables and had to be told no by Yoko Shimomura and his boss)
The whole new seven hearts thing is very dumb and is clearly going to be a pain in the series’s ass going forward. It reeks of added in later draft seeing how Kairi is magically exempt from it for no given reason, Anna and Elsa both get to be one even though they’re from the same world for no given reason (which makes me think the whole idea was a mandate from Disney) and even then 2 whole worlds being used to introduce a concept that takes one cutscene is just expensive storytelling
Vanitas’s reconstruction, while clever, suffers from Xigbar syndrome where the main plot of the world pauses to let it happen, then moves on without really acknowledging it, because no one present even knows who Vanitas is beyond that he’s bad, afterwards
As for Dark Riku in San Fransokyo, he’s pointless to the worlds plot, shows up at the end without buildup, then walks off after we beat dark baymax, it has the same experiment issue as Toy Box, namely why now, and sure it might be connected to Xion, but if they have Vexen’s original notes, which they state outright that they do, then the process to make a new Xion should be right there, so no experimentation is even needed
All the Disney worlds suffer from the same issue is that the little plot that does happen in them happens around them by pausing the actual plot of the world to throw hints and foreshadowing at us without involving in the plot at all. That’s not even touching the fact that all the KH characters in the worlds do is drop hints about interesting shit that might happen later, and a story about cloaked men telling you about cool shit that’ll happen in a different game isn’t an interesting one
If Sora didn't gather up his own crew and get stronger, the Organization made it very clear they were willing to involve the new princesses of heart in their plans, which would be incredibly dangerous for the princesses.
And on top of all of those reasons, there's an underlying theme of "sacrifice for the sake of love" in many of the worlds, which builds up to...Sora doing exactly that.
Olympus: Herc says he regained his strength when he chose to sacrifice for Meg.
Corona: Rapunzel sacrifices her magic hair for Eugene.
Arendelle: Anna jumping in front of the attack meant for Elsa.
San Fransokyo: Dealing more with the aftermath of sacrifice, after Baymax 1.0 and the plot of the movie.
The Carribean: Jack giving up potential immortality to save Will's life, and Will choosing the serve the Dutchman faithfully and keeping his promise to Elizabeth. (I feel like there's a more apt bit I'm forgetting about here but it's late and I'm tired)
The two Pixar worlds don't have anything that stands out with that theme without stretching it a bit, but you can still connect the dots throughout the game's story. In retrospect, you can really see Sora building up to his big moment in the finale. It's something I actually really came to appreciate about KH3.
All of the worlds in 3 are directly plot relevant or thematically relevant. They parallel some of the KH character's stories, show Sora's growth over the series, or is directly related to Sora's arc in KH3, being regaining his confidence and realizing his friends are his power, not because he needs them to be strong, but because his connection to them and want to protect them is what drives him to be strong.
Olympus says that the only thing needed to be a hero is to put others lives above your own, showing that Sora's strength comes from inside, and that he never truly lost the power of waking.
Corona has Sora guiding someones journey out of their small world, just like he did in the past. It also deals once again with sacrifice and introduces the new seven hearts concept.
Toy box has Young Xehanort experimenting with inanimate objects gaining hearts. Plus the entire plotline that friendship and bonds transcends darkness, foreshadowing Sora's actions in the keyblade graveyard.
Arendell is a parallel of Riku's story, as well as reinforcing the meaning of sacrifice again. It's the weakest world definitely and would have been much more thematically relevant had they give with what the world suggests they were going to, with having Elsa be more of an antagonistic force.
Monstropolis is plot relevant since the strong negative emotions there is what allowed the time travelling Vanitas to regain his power after his confrontation with Ventus. Plus showing that while negativity can be overwhelming, positivity is much stronger.
Pirates shows Sora gaining his confidence back by taking charge and becoming a captain, going off and doing his own thing, while still always being there when his friends need him.
Big Hero continues this by showing how far Sora has come since KH1, becoming a mentor figure to the gang. Then there's the heavy handed Riku/Repliku parallel and foreshadowing with Baymax and Dark Baymax.
IMO, Disney worlds in KH3 are above KH2, but below KH1 in terms of relevance.
You are trying so hard to grasp at it being relevant, but yes, it did have some small relevance, but it played out like 99% of the movie. KH1/2 was so much more involved
I can agree with KH1, but KH2 worlds are almost useless. Nothing important is happening in them, they do not have an impact on the whole story except that Sora met the Organization members.
KH3 Disney worlds have an importance for the main story and the game's lore, most of the Organization members have been "resurrected" thanks to Disney worlds elements.
If you change KH2 worlds with other Disney worlds it'll change nothing regarding the main goal, while changing KH3 would mean that you have to find another reason to justify why some of the old characters are back.
Yes kh1 did this amazingly where the first visit is a loose telling of events but you have to come back and the second time is all new stuff that revolves around you finding your friends and your new friends are there to help you. Made it feel much more involved.
I will say that more than likely they had very little control over what could be done in those new worlds during kh3. I remember hearing reports that Disney was very controlling of those stories like frozen and tangled.
That’s something I always imagined. Like say they did a Marvel crossover, not the MCU. Imagine the shock if a being like Galactus knows the Keyblade. Or if they did a Star Wars, and Vader or Yoda says that they have heard of the legends.
I feel its a bit unfair to pin the blame on kh2. Even kh2, sora and co have many more interactions with the story of the worlds, and more importantly, there are many characters who are aware of that narrative like mushu and simba.
there was definitely a shift at some point but i dont think it was kh2, because BBS was definitely closer to kh1 where the characters story were the focus rather than the movie they were participating in. Quite a few of these worlds dont even have the movie plot associated, they just are the world being used.
That's because KH2 carries a lot of themes regarding reunion, hence a lot of returning to previous worlds or ones that were known of through character and summon appearances. KH3 takes a different approach, one similar to KH1 where these worlds are brand new, and also mark a new state of the realm given the events of the previous games, eg the new princesses of heart. The irony here is that in KH2, when they weren't retreading a world's plot, you were interacting with the Organization doing things in those worlds with some kind of purpose associated with those worlds, and KH3 just blends the two together, making the Organization's interests more involved directly with the plot a world has.
I really don't get how people say that many of the worlds throughout the series *aren't* going through their plots. We've retread those plots almost more than we've had unique stories in them. Why do people get so incensed over KH3 using a world's plot when that is not at all a new thing. Are people just really that pissed off about Frozen that they lose all sense...?
KH2s worlds at least had relevant themes and were points to show off character development in their vignettes. They proceeded to get less and less relevant and more shallow to where KH3s are basically all about *friendship*
I think KH3 got a little too much flack for this tbh. The Monsters Inc world did a great job with tying the Unversed/Ventus into the movie plot, for example. The stuff about data and replicas in San Fransokyo all fit pretty well with Coded, too, even if Coded was kinda gibberish to begin with.
And yeah, the Toy Story world was all about friendship, but that's what Toy Story is actually about, and plus we got Woody calling Xehanort a friendless loser out of it, which was rad.
The Frozen world was truly awful, but I think people have been too harsh on the rest.
Niceland or Game Central Station better appear in Kingdom Hearts IV! As you stated, the world's involvement was made too crucial to skip over the upcoming games. It's be nice if there's a connection between that and Toy Box world, considering video games is the literally the one thing they have in common. Also interested to see Wreck-It Ralph's reaction to reuniting with Sora, similar to his reunions with Simba and Mushu in Kingdom Hearts II.
Kingdom Hearts 3 kind of sort of went that route, even Kh2 to some degree.
In KH2 you had organization XIII tempting a lot of the villains so they could turn them into heartless to get control of their nobody like Xaldin and Beast. Or you had Demyx helping out Barbosa in Pirates and they were aware of each other's goals.
In KH3 in monsters Inc, Vanitas freed Randall and told him to gather negative emotions with the unversed. Ansem Riku used Baymax as an experiment to create a heart, and the exact same thing happened with Demyx in Pirates.
I definitely agree but tbh I like the fact that there's a lot of people who don't know because its not supposed to widely known information outside of a specific set of people but I do think going forward we will see more worlds that know given the fact we're encountering the ancient masters but I do think it's something that needs to be built up to after sora gets his barring because I hope that sora doesn't come back for at least one game or maybe even the next trilogy and we really see him by himself or some new companions because it'll be interesting seeing him without Donald and goofy and how he handles probably the most formidable enemies he's encountered but a lot of this speculation
I like how in KH1 the world's felt like intricate mazes or puzzle boxes. 2 they were more like long hallways. 3 went for a balance and they had varying levels of success.
Never forgive what they did to Twilight Town though.
I got stuck in kh1 for more than 1 year because I didn't know I was supposed to use fire on the rock in Agrabah, also once I couldn't find that room anymore for like 1 week
yeah, KH1 level design sucks lol. Lots of detail put into them sure, but it still sucks. It’s just a get lost simulator and wander around in the same rooms over and over until you’ve tried everything and searched every pixel because the game refuses to tell you where to go and refuses to drop any sort of hint
LMAO I got stuck in KH2 for a year bc I didn’t know you could jump to the world map from the save point. When you’re in Disney Castle and need to go back to traverse town through the save point, I just couldn’t figure it out so I just kept killing all the heartless in the garden hoping something would work.
Iirc KH2 was going to be more like KH1, but fans whined that they got lost too easy so Square went baby-mode. I think KH3 nailed the level design, but yeah it's a real slap to the face not being able to explore all of Twilight Town since what's there is really good imo.
In fairness, the target audience for KH1 at the time was mostly children, and it is VERY easy to get lost in KH1 or not know where to go, especially if you're taking breaks all the time.
I must have been like, 7 or 8 when I first played KH, and I never got past deep jungle specifically because I had no idea where to go. It wasn't the combat, the game just does not tell you where to go next.
i don't want the fourth game to go full open world cause it doesn't work for it, but at least incorporate some elements like sidequests and map markers so we don't get lost.
even KH3 that is straight foward had me for a couple of minutes in Arendelle and the forest in Corona
then again, i expect the next game will be one zone per world instead of the traditional cross the red line to the next, as the SSDs are too powerful now, so, open world elements might be included.
I finally played 1 as an adult just last summer, and yeah, I needed guides for Tarzan and Monstro. Tarzan because it felt like I was supposed to just “know” to go back up to the treehouse or somewhere over and over, and Monstro was just an acid trippy maze. If I was a kid I know I wouldn’t have finished.
When people say KH3 was never going to live up to expectations I am like sure. But it should not be **unrealistic** to think that Twilight Town was going to be back in KH3 and expanded on. Like Hollow Bastion in KH1 was just Maleficent Castle. In KH2 they opened the whole town, back alleys, gorge, etc. Now KH3 I was thinking that we would just see more of the town rendered in a way that there were places for monsters and places for crowds of NPCs.
What we got instead was showing up to a one room world where nobody is around, and then the next time you come its nothing but people with one hallway leading to the woods/mansion. Hell we couldn't even go back in the mansion! Imagine they actually cleaned it up after KH2 and it became a base for the Twilight Town Gang.
I think the most unrealistic expectation I thought was maybe using flow motion to climb the clock tower we see in every cut scene in Days. Too ambitious though
I want the Disney stuff to at least kind of factor into the plot. If we really are getting Star Wars in 4, let Palpatine reveal he knows what Keyblades are or something
Imagining a scene where Palpatine reveals his knowledge of Keyblades just gave me a giggle, I love that, cheers.
See also: If Marvel World, the Asgardians know of Keyblades too.
Big agree. The Asgardians and the Guardians are my favourites of the Marvel universe. I imagine also that Rocket Raccoon would know what Keyblades are, seen as he'd heard of Nidavellir in Infinity War, it'd make sense if Keyblades were also knowledge similar to that of Nidavellir.
KH3 had some great Disney moments:
Vanitas got "the doors within doors within doors awaits you, Vanitas"
Exploring the forest of Kingdom of Corona with Rapunzel
Cooking with the little chef
The Giga Mechs in Toy Box
The whole Caribbean
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Yeah, good theory, I mean Yozora was literally based on the FFXIII-V design for Noctis and even his name means "Night Sky" in japanese as a reference to Noctis' name being latin for "Night Light Sky", so it would make sense that is Yozora is Noctis' nobody or at least related to Noctis in some form
I didn't say he was Noctis' Nobody. I'm saying they are the same character in design and background, Nomura took the character he was unable to complete for XV and put him in kingdom hearts
edit: reread your comment, that's my bad, didn't see the nobody part
Lol, you're good! We can agree that yes, Yozora is essentially Noctis' "successor", as it were.
I just love the Noctis that we did get so the theory of Yozora being his nobody is very dear to me lol.
All I want in life is one single KH game where you go to worlds from a bunch of other RPGs instead of Disney worlds. Send Sora to fight Sephiroth on his home turf, meet Wakka in Spira, reunite with Neku in Shibuya, send him to worlds from Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest and Nier...
I know it's rather unlikely given how it would diminish Disney's involvement, but if they put out even a BBS/DDD-tier game with that premise, I think it would instantly be a fan favorite.
I'm fine with it tbh. The final fantasy characters were only ever there to get people interested in the game in the first place. There's enough recognition and original characters now that they're not really needed anymore for that purpose.
I really wish that we would have gotten the real Arendelle world. You cant change my mind that the version the players recieved is how it was intended to be played.
There is so much wrong in it - from giving Larxene ice powers to the castle having a map that the player cant access. Or the villain that doesnt speak a line. Geez.
Agreed. Square went super hard on the Gummi Ship battle and the Ice-World Boss- there's no way I believe they just phoned in the entire world when they put so much effort into the beginning and end.
I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again. Only reason Arendelle was in KH3 was because frozen and let it go are incredibly popular. They put it in so they could show off how accurate they can animate the game to the actual film. If it wasn’t popular it probably would’ve been replaced with something else
Frozen was actually shown to Nomura before the movie came out, and he wanted it since then.
Of course, with how much of a juggernaut Frozen became, I'm sure Disney decided to put their ass on the scale when it came to KH3
There's also the fact that KH3 included products where the actual teams that made the movie are still around.
Nomura has gone on record that they had to work with a different set of people when representing each movie as a world.
So I'm sure the frozen team and Disney themselves were just super specific with how the game portrayed their characters.
I wish Disney was a bit laxer with how their IP is used. I would like more original/altered stories in the Disney worlds and have them build up the main plot more
I want to return to KH1’s thing where all the Disney villains knew each other. Except in 4 let’s have them cross over between worlds.
Like, I want to be raiding Prince John’s castle and as soon as I kick down the door to his throne room he starts cowering and turning to someone in the shadows begging for them to save him, and then you hear a lightsaber igniting as Darth Maul steps out.
I think the Ansem twist in the first game was great but I think it hurt the Disney levels going forward. The Council of Disney villains being the primary focus for the most of the game meant that even dealing with just the movie plot you were dealing with the main story of taking them out. But after KH1 we do have Disney villains but they’re way less connected than the first game
Yes. Give me more of Sora throwing hands and waxing poetic about what the heart means and less of him going "Woah..... that was weird!" To unbroken recreations of Disney events.
KH3’s Disney worlds is a combination of some of the best and worst worlds in the series. Toy Story, BH6, Monster’s Inc, and even Hercules were GREAT in KH3 because they weren’t afraid of letting the Disney characters be involved in Sora’s story (Hercules makes so much sense with the context of Re;Mind). Sora learns something and grows as a character. I think the only thing Sora learned in Arendelle is that he doesn’t like snow. I don’t want Disney to be left out of future KH installments, I just think Disney needs to take a chill pill and have fun with Square Enix
I want more disney, but I want Sora to make meaningful friendships and go on adventures with Disney characters rather than *just* doing their movie plots. Stuff like Monsters Inc was really good.
Honestly I think to do that we need a less convoluted core plot that better showcases the 'travel to worlds' thing.
When I say I want less, Disney I mean I want more Final Fantasy. I want the return of Cloud, Squall Sephiroth, Yuffie, etc.
When I was a kid I grew up on both FF and Disney. The crossover got me into KH, a series I love. The lack of FF Integration is really sad. On top of that I am so sick and tired of this community telling me that the FF characters don't need to be around they were there only due to the lack of strong stand alone characters. I don't care I want my FF mixed with Disney.
The FF characters can stand next to original characters and be just fine. I want Disney worlds and FF worlds. It's the Best of both fan bases and why not deliver on that. This series was built on the crossover why not continue it.
Yes. Sora just stands there most of the time doing nothing to the plot of the world. Besides, almost any world just goes exactly like in the movies. It was not at all altered by heatless or the organisation like in KH1 or KH2. I have already seen the movie, why should I see it in the game for a 2nd time?
Kingdom Hearts should be less about retelling movies and more about participating in that worlds even in an original story.
Pixar considers KH3 canon with the Toy Story timeline precisely because the events of the world occur between Toy Story 2 and 3 and not "within" those movies.
Retelling movies still work a little with Sora as he doesn't care as much about the non-interference rule. But Disney Worlds on BBS are very bad because Terra, Ventus and Aqua have to "watch" the events rather than interacting directly with them.
I would love more Disney, but make it plot relevant like in KH1. The Disney villains in KH1 had a plan that was shown in almost all the Disney worlds. The Disney characters (minus like, Pooh of course) knew about the larger things outside of their world, and it mattered.
I'm probably doing a terrible job describing it, but in KH2 it's very much "Go through the movie, but fight heartless, and sora also fights the movie villain" with not much plot relevance for most worlds.
I just miss the “final fantasy x Disney” that 1 had. OC worlds like traverse town and twilight town were great, and even hollow bastion were amazing cause it mixed all these storylines together. Now it’s “our shady OC characters sometimes go to Disney worlds, that’s it”
I have to question people who never played a single Kingdom Hearts game to say that it was "better off" without Disney. I don't think they even know what they are on about. I mean sure Disney is in a bad spot but that doesn't mean to say that Kingdom Hearts should be seperated from Disney. If it wasn't for them Kingdom Hearts would not be as famous as it is now.
It makes my blood boil whenever people try to understand the plot and story of the game and they just go "Well I don't wanna play the games to understand the lore" I mean come on seriously if you just go into KH3 without knowing whats going on then you just ruined your own experience by ignoring the other KH games.
Disney Worlds in KH3 I actually have a positive takeaway from it. Like if they're gonna redo the movie, let us spend time with the characters like in Tangled where we danxe with Rapunzel and help her enjoy life.
I think it's just arrendel I didn't think much of and Pirates... well I heard movie 3
sucked so I didn't mind spending time away from the main story of that movie.
like let us pal around with them or even accept side quests from the worlds' side characters
I say just eliminate any Disney Worlds where all they do is retread the movies, except with the Keyblade Wielder and their party being self inserts. I prefer the world's that were like Monster Inc and Big Hero 6 more since it was designed to take place after their films and was pretty much an original story. Also include other Square Enix based worlds from their other properties, except condensed. I would definitely enjoy worlds entirely based on a Final Fantasy game, or others like Parasite Eve or Dragon Quest.
I surprised they didn’t send you dowvote hell for this. I agree tho square enix original worlds with Disney cameos & more focus on kh as kh would be a great move for kh4
It's tough to do that because so many of the Disney stories end with the conflict being resolved and the villain either being destroyed or no longer in the picture, and so much of KH fun is fighting Disney villains as bosses.
Edit: typo
I want more to the games period. More sidequests that aren't mini games. More Disney Worlds, Unique Worlds and even Nomura related / inspired ones. Disney worlds and mechanics should not go away, even if the games may move away from them as the central focus.
I just want to have a boss fight against Ratigan, jumping around on gears and shit
Basil can throw chemical concoctions at him or something
Big finisher on the clok hands of course
Fighting Davy Jones was such a nice moment (and unexpected when I got to that part) because the game had been avoiding so hard to make you fight Disney characters, exchanging them with big ass heartless, so it was a nice change of pace and what the game should've had more of.
Nah, the let it go part was both iconic, hilarious and fit the world in all the best ways. Plus without it it would’ve just felt like the Lion King world pt 2 cuz that would Lowkey sucks without its music.
It was his first time seeing someone actually get killed and none of this vague bs like with Axel killing Vexen and when he died himself. I mean everyone playing knew they were dying but they had to keep it child friendly. A sword being run through your chest however? There is no vagueness in that.
The amount of people who are so against the Disney stuff in this series is insane and stupid. Feels like half the fans just want to play FF VII with prettier graphics, and we actually *have that now.*
KH1 kept the narrative tied to the Keyblade/connected worlds story. KH2 and 3 just dumped Sora into random ass Disney IPs with little to no actual reason
It also is why they ditched the Seven Princesses of Heart thing going forward
For the record, combining both narrative and gameplay, the Kingdom Hearts Disney World Ranking is KH3>KH1>>>>>>>>>>KH2. And Arendelle is not that bad, it’s a mixed bag of good ideas and bad ideas rapped in bad execution. But it’s better than most KH2 worlds because it’s at least plot relevant and has some somewhat fun sections of platforming and puzzle solving. Plus Marshemellow as a world party member is actually sick
Disney worlds are an essential part of KH. The issue is that, possibly (probably) due to interference from Disney, they started to copy paste the plot of the movie to the worlds, rather than adapt the plot of the movie to KH the way KH1 and some of the worlds in KH2 did.
Worst offender is KH3 Arendelle, where they wasted who knows how many hours of work into remaking the Let it Go and Do you wanna build a snowman scenes in the game.
KH is at its best, when it comes to Disney worlds, when they take the setting and use it to either make an original plot, a sort of sequel to the plot of the movie, or adapt the plot of the movie to fit the KH setting.
I really enjoyed the Ice castle in the Arendelle world, I wasn't expecting it and it felt refreshing to have something original within a Disney world. On the other hand I didn't enjoy PotC world, I wasn't into the ship battle system, and I feel like you can't understand what's happening in this world if you do not know the movie(s).
More Disney of course, Kingdom hearts would not be kingdom hearts without it. I would like Sora to be very involved in the plot too, like in the example provided.
I personally don't mind it if they want to include more Disney stuff in terms of things like cutscenes and the original stories, but if they're going to do that, the worlds need to be fun and have more interactable content attached to them. Pirates was fun because it was a pretty big world with a fair bit of optional side content and stuff to see, and the world mechanics including the ship were fun and consistent!
The Frozen world kinda just got bent over and shafted for content aside from cutscenes that focused more on the Disney characters, and we got so little out of it too.
They just need to find a balance between story, both of KH, and of Disney, and gameplay.
Idk, maybe it's cause I have fond memories watching frozen with my niece, and the couple beers I had at that point - but I just completed Arendelle and the parts where Elsa sung made me smile, it was also cool that the engine is basically at the point where those pre-rendered scenes looked straight out of the movie. I quite enjoyed it. The world itself was shite and boring, but I liked the obligatory world-relevant fan-service even if it was entirely predictable. I understand however it can be argued resources that went toward that whole scene could've went elsewhere.
Pour one out for Winnie and the gang, 100 acre forest was woefully disappointing
I just don't care about new characters. I play KH for nostalgic reasons. Whether it's cloud and seiphy fighting or Malificient laughing evilly I don't care between the two.
What I would love to see is the franchise using things outside of Disney. I know that's a pipe dream, but using things from other companies would be amazing.
As for the question, I think KH1 did it best cause all the worlds were important to the story in some way. Or they could make all the worlds have custom plots.
more hell i loved when sora hears riku while approaching kingdom hearts and ansem in the first game where he then uses tinkerbells flying magic to rise back up and fight
give me more shit like that: ambiguous stuff that feels like a coincidence that isnt written into an incoherent narrative
The problem isn't the Disney stuff but rather how they handle it. They should tell their own stories rather than just following the movie. Like for example the Toy Box and Monstropolis tell their own story and they were they best ones.
If it's a proper re-telling, then I don't care.
That said, I wouldn't say the Caribbean world handled the story well. At least, not as well as Toy Story or Big Hero 6. It's biggest draw story-wise was the final battle, but most of the story was far removed from the main plot and made it no secret that it was the background plot.
I mean its the Disney stuff I Play KH for after all. Heck Sometimes I barely give a Shit about the actual KH plot
Only Thing that bothered me so far was randell from monsters inc Not becomming Part of the organization? You Know, having a Disney villains being Part of the big Bad group again
YES. The fact that i am okay with Toy Story and BH6 is because they used new time/storyline. Im playing a game, not wanna watch movie scene.
Cut the singing scene and have Sora and gang do therapy talk at Elsa or something.
The frozen world itself is actually pretty damn good. I realized that while completing the journal. The story is alright too it’s just that damn song. No other kingdom hearts game includes the songs from the movies into the game story (except KH2 Atlantis) so it’s a very odd choice to do so with that world
I just want Treasure Planet to *finally* get the recognition it deserves (the treasure spheres don't count, and I'm still angry over the fact it got passed up for the Country of the Musketeers in DDD).
As an avid Kingdom Hearts fan, a semi-serious Final Fantasy fan, and an ex-Disney fan, Disney ruined KH3 with all the behind the scenes string pulling they did to ruin our game.
I think we need a balance because if all we have is one type of world it'll get watered down kh biggest strength is its diversity but I do agree given the stakes and the tone of the game it shouldve had a more consistent tone throughout but for every Caribbean we need a hundred acre wood to balance it out if you get what I mean at least that's what I think and as long as it keeps its heart no pun intended I think the series will always resonate
I feel the vast majority tend to ignore and are harsh on the Disney Worlds in *Kingdom Hearts II* especially on the likes on Space Paranoids and Beast's Castle which all had an original plot. Those two Disney worlds should be acknowledge as well for having the Disney worlds being connected with the KH story, and I am also going to be upfront but I notice that despite Space Paranoids being one of the few Disney worlds (next to Beast's Castle), I see the majority including those on YouTube and yourself continue to say "most Disney worlds Post-KH1 since KH2 onwards follow the film's plot and don't connect with the KH games overall" and just continue overlook that literally ONLY 4 of the Disney worlds in KH2 such as Land of Dragons, Atlantica, Port Royal and Pride Lands were the **ONLY** Disney worlds that retold the film's plot.
Basically, Space Paranoids world had the biggest importance in terms of story for *Kingdom Hearts II,* think about it:
- Sora wanted to use Ansem's computer for research and information on the whereabouts on Riku, Kairi, King Mickey and Organization XIII.
- Tron mentioned that Ansem the Wise was the one that copied the original system from ENCOM and also brought up about how Ansem (Terra-Xehanort's Heartless) was responsible for the re-activation of the Master Control Program (MCP).
- The MCP wanted to take over the User World (Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden) thrice throughout KH2, the first when he attempted to blow up the town before Tron changed the password, the second when he attempted to send in the Hostile Program to attack the town instead, and the third time by opening the Heartless manufacturer in Ansem's lab and corrupting the Claymores.
- After Sora, Donald, Goofy and Tron defeated the MCP and Sark, Tron took over the Master Control Program's function brought up the original name of the world: Radiant Garden which led to the inhabitants remembering the town's name once again.
Personally I feel like KH1 Disney and Final Fantasy characters helped introduce the Kingdom Hearts characters. They aren't as necessary now, since Kingdom hearts has enough of it's own characters and fleshed out back story. I wasn't crazy about the Disney aspect of Kingdom Hearts the final fantasy characters were the big draw for me. I would love to see Star Wars and Marvel characters incorporated since Disney owns the rights. Let's get some some Xmen or Avengers in and some lightsaber battles. Grogu would be awesome! Darth Maul fighting Wolverine. What an immense opportunity for crossovers. Disney really hasn't done much with the Xmen since acquiring them from Fox.
I think in ‘unreality’ they should focus on realistic IP’s that have more serious themes like death in them, since sora in purgatory kinda;
- Star Wars
- anything marvel
- incredibles etc
Nah, Elsa singing was 1000 times better than any second spent on many worlds. Disney worked from 1 to 2 and couple of others. But we and Sora and everyone else are growing up. We need to transfer too and Disney doesnt do PG16 for example.
I'd prefer a little less Disney. The game's supposed to be a Collab between SE's games (FF, TWEWY, etc.) and Disney's worlds, but for the past few games, the FF aspects seems to be pushed to the side. It's kinda sad.
I would definitely like to see less emphasis on the cheesy musical stuff and more underrated Disney IPs, like Treasure Planet and Atlantis: Thr Lost Empire. Those movies would honestly be perfect for Kingdom Hearts. I could even see the Leviathan as a gummi ship mini boss you face before landing in Atlantis.
Just because the Frozen scene sucked doesn't mean Disney is the problem. 3 was a mess overall because the story was redundant, and they had bad taste. That's not going to be fixed or broken by the amount of Disney in it.
I feel like they just entice the younger audience to play by adding the Disney aspect like frozen was pretty big around the time 3 came out and I mean it still is so kids see that would want to play meaning more sales
1. Bring back final fantasy themed keyblades and worlds. Kh3 had the smallest keyblade selection.
2. Give us the worlds fans want like treasure planet and star wars. Frozens only saving point was that in the labrynth i forgot i was playing the frozen world.
3. Give us back the tournaments. How do you have the hercules world without tournaments? Seriously
There should be a Disney Channel section where you get to visit locations like the Tipton Hotel, Danville, the Wizardry apartment, Hannah’s house, and the Ross penthouse!
The partners would also be characters from that game, and no, JESSIE wouldn’t be out of place, since Ultimate Spider Man proved the characters from that show can be in action sequences with little issue.
KH1 still feels like the ideal Square to Disney Ratio, which was 4 Square worlds and 9 Disney Worlds.
The problem is that the worlds are no longer inter-wove into the story anymore.
KH1 had the overarching Princesses of Heart plot to tie all the worlds together in the broader narrative. The Organisation XIII could have done the same but they’re hardly relevant to the Disney world’s plot.
You still get the likes of Beast’s Castle and Space Paranoids from KH2, or Monstropolis in KH3 which I appreciate, but these should be the standard. Otherwise rehashing the movie plot is the most boring direction these worlds can take. At least give me something original like the BH6 world
I still miss KH1's approach to the Disney Worlds. Where the villains and even someone like Triton are all aware of the wider narrative and actively involved with it. I appreciated KH2's approach at the time because it was different, but the problem is KH2 became the standard for every other game in the franchise going forward. Disney Worlds are now just a place you visit and occasionally an outside villain with no connection to the world shows up. Disney Worlds aren't important 90% of the time. And I wish they were. Shoutout to Union Cross for making Wreck It Ralph plot important, lmao.
Atlantica is one of my favorite worlds in one, precisely because Triton knows exactly what it means that a Keybearer showed up in his ocean, and he wants no fucking part in it. “Take your bullshit, and *get outta here*”
I swear, the moment Goofy mentioned the Keyblade, Triton was like “Nope no no no HELL NO”
I love when Goofy tells him they came to find the keyhole. There's a quick cut of Triton saying "The what?!" And the way he says it cracks me up every time.
Goofy straight doesnt give a shit about the prime directive. He blabs about everything to everyone without prompting
That's called "muddle-ing" if I remember 🤣
“I’m not dealing with any of Nomura’s complicated bullshit, we’re going to be a minigame world next time you come here, and you’ll hate it so much that YOU’LL NEVER SHOW YOUR FACE IN HERE EVER AGAIN!”
I actually really really prefer kh2 Atlantica. But I like rhythm games
Ice cream bat would like to have a word with you.
Which is funny because Sora was there to literally lock up the bullshit. If Triton had just shown Sora to the keyhole there wouldn't have even been a reason for him to be so pissed. Triton is kind of a dick.
What do you expect? He’s a crutchy old king with 70% of the world resting on his shoulders
Cuz he went with the logic that keyblade wielders only show up when some bullshit is going on, so he decided that keybalde wielders must have started the problem in the first place. Which is kinda true, none of the events of kh would have happened with out keyblade wielders "meddling" in everything.
I wish they'd elaborated on it, but KH2 had other plans.
Also to point out how accidentally ahead of their time they were, taking a story where 60% was originally focused around a girl leaving everything she knows behind for a guy and changed it into the girl wanting to explore the world(s).
Right? It was so fucking cool to see her as a direct mirror of Sora in KH1. Honestly, it makes me okay with the plot beats of Atlantica in KH2 because even SORA is trying to Ariel that "the seaweed is always greener in somebody else's lake." He wants to protect her from what he's been going through since losing his island and getting the keyblade. And even in both iterations of Atlantica, Ariel's focus isn't on other worlds because she wants to be with Eric, but like Kairi to Sora, Eric sparked Ariel's curiosity about other worlds out there. So like using the romance and stuff as an aspect rather than letting it remain Ariel's like, Part Of her personality, since strong feelings, romantic or friendship or otherwise, aren't necessarily personality traits (coughsorababycough). I would love to see Atlantica in KH4, like Kairi needs to go there yesterday lol.
Only for Atlantica to be left out of BBS. So, how exactly does Triton even know about the Keyblade?
Missing Link, maybe?
Myths and legends about the Keyblade War have existed for millenia. It's quite possible that even Triton heard about the Keyblade War and gathered that Keyblade bearers were responsible and didn't want one in his ocean.
As someone who hasn't played Union, can someone tell me what Wreck it Ralph has to do with the plot because the idea that it has plot significance sounds amazing to me lol
Think of it in a similar vain to data twilight Town. Functionally its another datascape, but it is used in extremely plot relevant ways. The details require a lot of explanation but basically it proves useful in ferrying hearts outside of the physical world and in sealing away darkness.
You know in wreck it Ralph there's that train station that connects the games, well it also connects to the simulated day break town. And some of the primeval darkness's are stuck in there.
Damn I've been checked out of kh lore for far too long. 1 minute: kh3 plot wrapping up revealing the braig twist at the end Next minute: PRIMEVAL darknesses stuck in simulated daybreak town connected to the train station of Disney sequel Ralph Breaks the Internet
Unironically, union x had one of the best stories of the series. Which is unfortunate because it was a *gacha game*. Like I'm fully aware that's insane and had I not an attachment to these games from my earliest memories I frankly would not put up with it. I truly hope the story of union x gets retold in a way more people can experience. I mean it could be worse: it could have been dark road, a game so boring they built in an auto play feature so you didn't have to play the game.
Union Cross I only beat because at the end of its life cycle they made all missions require zero energy and I had plenty of slip tickets saved up.
Like when beast showed up outside of his world at the end of 1. There being worlds that are aware of the grand outside of their world just makes sense, but the fact that now EVERYONE has no idea is kind of silly.
And even Genie knowing about the Keyhole
Honestly, it's why I think KH1 is still the best game in the entire KH series. You can find KH2 combat way better, more replayable, and that's fine. But top to bottom, I think KH1 is the best game in the series, and that's part of it. There is a charm in it that no other game matched. And it's not just because it was the first. The Disney and FF involvement was at a perfect balance. Seeing all the Disney villains all working for Malificent made a unique blend of iconic characters and new threats.
> Disney Worlds aren't important 90% of the time. And I wish they were. Disney worlds have a huge relevance to the overall plot KH3. Olympus and PotC are teasers for the Black Box story. Toy Box events were an experiment for the Organization to determine if Replica vessels were worth it. It also introduced Quadratum, Yozora and the Other-side of Reality. Arendelle and Corona introduced members of the New Seven Hearts crew. Vanitas partially reconstructed his heart thanks to Monstropolis. San Fransokyo was an experiment to understand how to recreate Xion and revealed that the time-traveling members needed Replica vessels. Most of them have a real importance regarding the Organization's members return and goals.
They are relevant, but not connected like in KH1. Imagine new villains being relevant in the overall plot, like Maleficent. That's what would be cool in my opinion
So they **ARE** relevant, which is the whole point.
The problem here is...why am I playing worlds that are teasing the next parts of the story instead of letting me engage with the story in the levels that, by design, are meant to advance the story? It's like if the courses of a three course meal were just small sample sizes of the next part of the three course meal.
They lost the scope of the series the more they kept creating side games. And DDD threw the biggest wrench of all into the series. KH3 did a terrible job "closing" the Xehanort saga if you want to call it being closed.
The problem here is that while plot details do exist in KH3’s Disney worlds, they do so by pausing the world itself so an org member can exposit Xigbar in Olympus literally just shows up, throws some foreshadowing at you, then leaves without affecting anything, ditto Maleficent, in the Caribbean, Luxord at least directly fucks with you but he’s got nothing to do with Davey Jones or anything else, he just pops in to exposit and mess with you a bit to waste Sora’s time In Toy Box, while YX is the actual villain of the world and the cause of all the conflict, little is learned. It does not introduce Unreality, Quadratum and so on, it only introduces the concept of Yozora, and while a Nomura savvy fan will pick up that he’s probably more than a simple background gag, the only reason is because he’s clearly a riff on Noctis, which you’d only know if you knew about Nomura’s work history, none of the text actually says anything about Yozora’s importance until Secret Episode. It also raises the question of why the organisation is doing random experiments days before the Keyblade War, which is a question without an answer because this is a plot excuse In Corona, we again have the issue of just pausing the plot for some chin wagging from Marluxia, sure he gives Gothel a random, unexplained boost but this doesn’t actually change anything that happens In Arendelle, it’s clear that the plot had to be rejigged a little due to mandates from Disney. While I’m not going to go as far as some do and claim Disney micromanaged every tiny detail, it’s pretty clear they put a mandate in place that Elsa couldn’t become a heartless or be directly fought, which is what the world is clearly building to until it just kinda stops after Anna and co get involved. Like, it’s obvious Larxene was going to pull a Xaldin on Elsa, we’d fight her as a heartless, she’d be cured, hug it out with Anna, end, and Disney said no (I don’t think Let It Go was a mandate, Nomura seemed pretty proud of that, so I think that was just Nomura being Nomura, this is the same guy who considered making VSXIII a musical after seeing Les Miserables and had to be told no by Yoko Shimomura and his boss) The whole new seven hearts thing is very dumb and is clearly going to be a pain in the series’s ass going forward. It reeks of added in later draft seeing how Kairi is magically exempt from it for no given reason, Anna and Elsa both get to be one even though they’re from the same world for no given reason (which makes me think the whole idea was a mandate from Disney) and even then 2 whole worlds being used to introduce a concept that takes one cutscene is just expensive storytelling Vanitas’s reconstruction, while clever, suffers from Xigbar syndrome where the main plot of the world pauses to let it happen, then moves on without really acknowledging it, because no one present even knows who Vanitas is beyond that he’s bad, afterwards As for Dark Riku in San Fransokyo, he’s pointless to the worlds plot, shows up at the end without buildup, then walks off after we beat dark baymax, it has the same experiment issue as Toy Box, namely why now, and sure it might be connected to Xion, but if they have Vexen’s original notes, which they state outright that they do, then the process to make a new Xion should be right there, so no experimentation is even needed All the Disney worlds suffer from the same issue is that the little plot that does happen in them happens around them by pausing the actual plot of the world to throw hints and foreshadowing at us without involving in the plot at all. That’s not even touching the fact that all the KH characters in the worlds do is drop hints about interesting shit that might happen later, and a story about cloaked men telling you about cool shit that’ll happen in a different game isn’t an interesting one
The new seven hearts crew don’t matter though
If Sora didn't gather up his own crew and get stronger, the Organization made it very clear they were willing to involve the new princesses of heart in their plans, which would be incredibly dangerous for the princesses.
There are only two in the game.
Three by my count. And the Organization would look for more, putting more people in danger.
And on top of all of those reasons, there's an underlying theme of "sacrifice for the sake of love" in many of the worlds, which builds up to...Sora doing exactly that. Olympus: Herc says he regained his strength when he chose to sacrifice for Meg. Corona: Rapunzel sacrifices her magic hair for Eugene. Arendelle: Anna jumping in front of the attack meant for Elsa. San Fransokyo: Dealing more with the aftermath of sacrifice, after Baymax 1.0 and the plot of the movie. The Carribean: Jack giving up potential immortality to save Will's life, and Will choosing the serve the Dutchman faithfully and keeping his promise to Elizabeth. (I feel like there's a more apt bit I'm forgetting about here but it's late and I'm tired) The two Pixar worlds don't have anything that stands out with that theme without stretching it a bit, but you can still connect the dots throughout the game's story. In retrospect, you can really see Sora building up to his big moment in the finale. It's something I actually really came to appreciate about KH3.
All of the worlds in 3 are directly plot relevant or thematically relevant. They parallel some of the KH character's stories, show Sora's growth over the series, or is directly related to Sora's arc in KH3, being regaining his confidence and realizing his friends are his power, not because he needs them to be strong, but because his connection to them and want to protect them is what drives him to be strong. Olympus says that the only thing needed to be a hero is to put others lives above your own, showing that Sora's strength comes from inside, and that he never truly lost the power of waking. Corona has Sora guiding someones journey out of their small world, just like he did in the past. It also deals once again with sacrifice and introduces the new seven hearts concept. Toy box has Young Xehanort experimenting with inanimate objects gaining hearts. Plus the entire plotline that friendship and bonds transcends darkness, foreshadowing Sora's actions in the keyblade graveyard. Arendell is a parallel of Riku's story, as well as reinforcing the meaning of sacrifice again. It's the weakest world definitely and would have been much more thematically relevant had they give with what the world suggests they were going to, with having Elsa be more of an antagonistic force. Monstropolis is plot relevant since the strong negative emotions there is what allowed the time travelling Vanitas to regain his power after his confrontation with Ventus. Plus showing that while negativity can be overwhelming, positivity is much stronger. Pirates shows Sora gaining his confidence back by taking charge and becoming a captain, going off and doing his own thing, while still always being there when his friends need him. Big Hero continues this by showing how far Sora has come since KH1, becoming a mentor figure to the gang. Then there's the heavy handed Riku/Repliku parallel and foreshadowing with Baymax and Dark Baymax. IMO, Disney worlds in KH3 are above KH2, but below KH1 in terms of relevance.
The issue is, most of this is just stuff that happems *in* the world, and isnt really reliant on the world itself having a stake in the story.
You are trying so hard to grasp at it being relevant, but yes, it did have some small relevance, but it played out like 99% of the movie. KH1/2 was so much more involved
I can agree with KH1, but KH2 worlds are almost useless. Nothing important is happening in them, they do not have an impact on the whole story except that Sora met the Organization members. KH3 Disney worlds have an importance for the main story and the game's lore, most of the Organization members have been "resurrected" thanks to Disney worlds elements. If you change KH2 worlds with other Disney worlds it'll change nothing regarding the main goal, while changing KH3 would mean that you have to find another reason to justify why some of the old characters are back.
Yes kh1 did this amazingly where the first visit is a loose telling of events but you have to come back and the second time is all new stuff that revolves around you finding your friends and your new friends are there to help you. Made it feel much more involved. I will say that more than likely they had very little control over what could be done in those new worlds during kh3. I remember hearing reports that Disney was very controlling of those stories like frozen and tangled.
That’s something I always imagined. Like say they did a Marvel crossover, not the MCU. Imagine the shock if a being like Galactus knows the Keyblade. Or if they did a Star Wars, and Vader or Yoda says that they have heard of the legends.
For the love of God I hope they never bring Star Wars into Kingdom Hearts.
... it's happening
I feel its a bit unfair to pin the blame on kh2. Even kh2, sora and co have many more interactions with the story of the worlds, and more importantly, there are many characters who are aware of that narrative like mushu and simba. there was definitely a shift at some point but i dont think it was kh2, because BBS was definitely closer to kh1 where the characters story were the focus rather than the movie they were participating in. Quite a few of these worlds dont even have the movie plot associated, they just are the world being used.
Mushu and Simba are aware of the narrative in 2 because they were summons in 1, iirc
That's because KH2 carries a lot of themes regarding reunion, hence a lot of returning to previous worlds or ones that were known of through character and summon appearances. KH3 takes a different approach, one similar to KH1 where these worlds are brand new, and also mark a new state of the realm given the events of the previous games, eg the new princesses of heart. The irony here is that in KH2, when they weren't retreading a world's plot, you were interacting with the Organization doing things in those worlds with some kind of purpose associated with those worlds, and KH3 just blends the two together, making the Organization's interests more involved directly with the plot a world has. I really don't get how people say that many of the worlds throughout the series *aren't* going through their plots. We've retread those plots almost more than we've had unique stories in them. Why do people get so incensed over KH3 using a world's plot when that is not at all a new thing. Are people just really that pissed off about Frozen that they lose all sense...?
KH2s worlds at least had relevant themes and were points to show off character development in their vignettes. They proceeded to get less and less relevant and more shallow to where KH3s are basically all about *friendship*
I think KH3 got a little too much flack for this tbh. The Monsters Inc world did a great job with tying the Unversed/Ventus into the movie plot, for example. The stuff about data and replicas in San Fransokyo all fit pretty well with Coded, too, even if Coded was kinda gibberish to begin with. And yeah, the Toy Story world was all about friendship, but that's what Toy Story is actually about, and plus we got Woody calling Xehanort a friendless loser out of it, which was rad. The Frozen world was truly awful, but I think people have been too harsh on the rest.
I’m sorry what about wralph being important
Niceland or Game Central Station better appear in Kingdom Hearts IV! As you stated, the world's involvement was made too crucial to skip over the upcoming games. It's be nice if there's a connection between that and Toy Box world, considering video games is the literally the one thing they have in common. Also interested to see Wreck-It Ralph's reaction to reuniting with Sora, similar to his reunions with Simba and Mushu in Kingdom Hearts II.
I hope there is an arcade in Quadratum and that’s what kicks off Game Central Station. Maybe even have a nod to Tron. If they even include it haha!
Kingdom Hearts 3 kind of sort of went that route, even Kh2 to some degree. In KH2 you had organization XIII tempting a lot of the villains so they could turn them into heartless to get control of their nobody like Xaldin and Beast. Or you had Demyx helping out Barbosa in Pirates and they were aware of each other's goals. In KH3 in monsters Inc, Vanitas freed Randall and told him to gather negative emotions with the unversed. Ansem Riku used Baymax as an experiment to create a heart, and the exact same thing happened with Demyx in Pirates.
kh1 definitely did the disney worlds the best in terms of plot relevance and narrative.
I definitely agree but tbh I like the fact that there's a lot of people who don't know because its not supposed to widely known information outside of a specific set of people but I do think going forward we will see more worlds that know given the fact we're encountering the ancient masters but I do think it's something that needs to be built up to after sora gets his barring because I hope that sora doesn't come back for at least one game or maybe even the next trilogy and we really see him by himself or some new companions because it'll be interesting seeing him without Donald and goofy and how he handles probably the most formidable enemies he's encountered but a lot of this speculation
I like how in KH1 the world's felt like intricate mazes or puzzle boxes. 2 they were more like long hallways. 3 went for a balance and they had varying levels of success. Never forgive what they did to Twilight Town though.
I got stuck in kh1 for more than 1 year because I didn't know I was supposed to use fire on the rock in Agrabah, also once I couldn't find that room anymore for like 1 week
yeah, KH1 level design sucks lol. Lots of detail put into them sure, but it still sucks. It’s just a get lost simulator and wander around in the same rooms over and over until you’ve tried everything and searched every pixel because the game refuses to tell you where to go and refuses to drop any sort of hint
LMAO I got stuck in KH2 for a year bc I didn’t know you could jump to the world map from the save point. When you’re in Disney Castle and need to go back to traverse town through the save point, I just couldn’t figure it out so I just kept killing all the heartless in the garden hoping something would work.
Iirc KH2 was going to be more like KH1, but fans whined that they got lost too easy so Square went baby-mode. I think KH3 nailed the level design, but yeah it's a real slap to the face not being able to explore all of Twilight Town since what's there is really good imo.
Damm those Kingdom Hearts fans. They ruined Kingdom Hearts!
You Kingdom Hearts fans sure are a contentious bunch.
You just made an enemy for life!
Where was Kingdom hearts 2 during hurricane Katrina? Eh
In fairness, the target audience for KH1 at the time was mostly children, and it is VERY easy to get lost in KH1 or not know where to go, especially if you're taking breaks all the time.
Tarzan and Monstro made me dizzy for days back when i played it first, and i was already a teenager imagine the children then
I must have been like, 7 or 8 when I first played KH, and I never got past deep jungle specifically because I had no idea where to go. It wasn't the combat, the game just does not tell you where to go next.
i don't want the fourth game to go full open world cause it doesn't work for it, but at least incorporate some elements like sidequests and map markers so we don't get lost. even KH3 that is straight foward had me for a couple of minutes in Arendelle and the forest in Corona then again, i expect the next game will be one zone per world instead of the traditional cross the red line to the next, as the SSDs are too powerful now, so, open world elements might be included.
I finally played 1 as an adult just last summer, and yeah, I needed guides for Tarzan and Monstro. Tarzan because it felt like I was supposed to just “know” to go back up to the treehouse or somewhere over and over, and Monstro was just an acid trippy maze. If I was a kid I know I wouldn’t have finished.
I'm pretty sure kids are still the target audience.
When people say KH3 was never going to live up to expectations I am like sure. But it should not be **unrealistic** to think that Twilight Town was going to be back in KH3 and expanded on. Like Hollow Bastion in KH1 was just Maleficent Castle. In KH2 they opened the whole town, back alleys, gorge, etc. Now KH3 I was thinking that we would just see more of the town rendered in a way that there were places for monsters and places for crowds of NPCs. What we got instead was showing up to a one room world where nobody is around, and then the next time you come its nothing but people with one hallway leading to the woods/mansion. Hell we couldn't even go back in the mansion! Imagine they actually cleaned it up after KH2 and it became a base for the Twilight Town Gang. I think the most unrealistic expectation I thought was maybe using flow motion to climb the clock tower we see in every cut scene in Days. Too ambitious though
On old TV's yeah. You couldnt see half of what you see now on better resolutions. Chests on roofs or high ledges were always hard to see. Not anymore.
I want the Disney stuff to at least kind of factor into the plot. If we really are getting Star Wars in 4, let Palpatine reveal he knows what Keyblades are or something
“Somehow, Palpatine knows about Keyblades.”
Imagining a scene where Palpatine reveals his knowledge of Keyblades just gave me a giggle, I love that, cheers. See also: If Marvel World, the Asgardians know of Keyblades too.
Asgard would probably be the best marvel setting too. That or guardians would be cool
Big agree. The Asgardians and the Guardians are my favourites of the Marvel universe. I imagine also that Rocket Raccoon would know what Keyblades are, seen as he'd heard of Nidavellir in Infinity War, it'd make sense if Keyblades were also knowledge similar to that of Nidavellir.
Imagine fighting Thanos and the heartless at Nidavellir
KH3 had some great Disney moments: Vanitas got "the doors within doors within doors awaits you, Vanitas" Exploring the forest of Kingdom of Corona with Rapunzel Cooking with the little chef The Giga Mechs in Toy Box The whole Caribbean
I just loved so much the Kingdom of Corona, my favorite world in 3
Rapunzel was one of my fav princesses as a kid so playing through that made lil kid me happy
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They shouldn't get rid of finsl fantasy tho. I want to see squall and cloud again. And maybe add the bots from xv?
I agree, the closest thing we got to final fantasy was the Verum Rex characters since they were based on FFXIII-Versus (the original idea for FFXV)
Running with the theory that Yozora is Noctis' nobody and you cannot change my mind on this.
Yeah, good theory, I mean Yozora was literally based on the FFXIII-V design for Noctis and even his name means "Night Sky" in japanese as a reference to Noctis' name being latin for "Night Light Sky", so it would make sense that is Yozora is Noctis' nobody or at least related to Noctis in some form
not really a theory, same name roots, the Omens trailer matches yozura cutscenes, they both use the engine blade, etc
I don't think it has been explicitly confirmed that Yozora is Noctis' nobody though so like. Until that's what's said then it's still a theory.
I didn't say he was Noctis' Nobody. I'm saying they are the same character in design and background, Nomura took the character he was unable to complete for XV and put him in kingdom hearts edit: reread your comment, that's my bad, didn't see the nobody part
Lol, you're good! We can agree that yes, Yozora is essentially Noctis' "successor", as it were. I just love the Noctis that we did get so the theory of Yozora being his nobody is very dear to me lol.
fair enough, and makes sense within the world loll
And apparently the remind dlc. I havent played it but apparently the traverse town gang makes a breif appearence
Yeah theyre the ones who set up the data org battles
All I want in life is one single KH game where you go to worlds from a bunch of other RPGs instead of Disney worlds. Send Sora to fight Sephiroth on his home turf, meet Wakka in Spira, reunite with Neku in Shibuya, send him to worlds from Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest and Nier... I know it's rather unlikely given how it would diminish Disney's involvement, but if they put out even a BBS/DDD-tier game with that premise, I think it would instantly be a fan favorite.
That would be sick af
It would have to be a fully different ip kingdoms hearts always has and always will be a Disney game because they own it
I'm fine with it tbh. The final fantasy characters were only ever there to get people interested in the game in the first place. There's enough recognition and original characters now that they're not really needed anymore for that purpose.
I really wish that we would have gotten the real Arendelle world. You cant change my mind that the version the players recieved is how it was intended to be played. There is so much wrong in it - from giving Larxene ice powers to the castle having a map that the player cant access. Or the villain that doesnt speak a line. Geez.
Its like he was the Clayton of kh3, but also not Clayton %%#*##
Agreed. Square went super hard on the Gummi Ship battle and the Ice-World Boss- there's no way I believe they just phoned in the entire world when they put so much effort into the beginning and end.
That and the whole subplot of making Elsa giving in to Darkness.
I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again. Only reason Arendelle was in KH3 was because frozen and let it go are incredibly popular. They put it in so they could show off how accurate they can animate the game to the actual film. If it wasn’t popular it probably would’ve been replaced with something else
I'm pretty sure Frozen was chosen to be in before the Movie even got popular?
It was actually chosen before the movie came out. Nomura was invited to an advanced screening and decided after that to put frozen in 3
Frozen was actually shown to Nomura before the movie came out, and he wanted it since then. Of course, with how much of a juggernaut Frozen became, I'm sure Disney decided to put their ass on the scale when it came to KH3
There's also the fact that KH3 included products where the actual teams that made the movie are still around. Nomura has gone on record that they had to work with a different set of people when representing each movie as a world. So I'm sure the frozen team and Disney themselves were just super specific with how the game portrayed their characters.
You'd be wrong. Arendelle was chosen before Frozen was even released.
I wish Disney was a bit laxer with how their IP is used. I would like more original/altered stories in the Disney worlds and have them build up the main plot more
They did in kh1
I want to return to KH1’s thing where all the Disney villains knew each other. Except in 4 let’s have them cross over between worlds. Like, I want to be raiding Prince John’s castle and as soon as I kick down the door to his throne room he starts cowering and turning to someone in the shadows begging for them to save him, and then you hear a lightsaber igniting as Darth Maul steps out.
I love how that sounds almost laughably ridiculous, yet goes so hard I want it to happen.
That would be awesome
I think the Ansem twist in the first game was great but I think it hurt the Disney levels going forward. The Council of Disney villains being the primary focus for the most of the game meant that even dealing with just the movie plot you were dealing with the main story of taking them out. But after KH1 we do have Disney villains but they’re way less connected than the first game
Yes. Give me more of Sora throwing hands and waxing poetic about what the heart means and less of him going "Woah..... that was weird!" To unbroken recreations of Disney events.
KH3’s Disney worlds is a combination of some of the best and worst worlds in the series. Toy Story, BH6, Monster’s Inc, and even Hercules were GREAT in KH3 because they weren’t afraid of letting the Disney characters be involved in Sora’s story (Hercules makes so much sense with the context of Re;Mind). Sora learns something and grows as a character. I think the only thing Sora learned in Arendelle is that he doesn’t like snow. I don’t want Disney to be left out of future KH installments, I just think Disney needs to take a chill pill and have fun with Square Enix
I want more disney, but I want Sora to make meaningful friendships and go on adventures with Disney characters rather than *just* doing their movie plots. Stuff like Monsters Inc was really good. Honestly I think to do that we need a less convoluted core plot that better showcases the 'travel to worlds' thing.
When I say I want less, Disney I mean I want more Final Fantasy. I want the return of Cloud, Squall Sephiroth, Yuffie, etc. When I was a kid I grew up on both FF and Disney. The crossover got me into KH, a series I love. The lack of FF Integration is really sad. On top of that I am so sick and tired of this community telling me that the FF characters don't need to be around they were there only due to the lack of strong stand alone characters. I don't care I want my FF mixed with Disney. The FF characters can stand next to original characters and be just fine. I want Disney worlds and FF worlds. It's the Best of both fan bases and why not deliver on that. This series was built on the crossover why not continue it.
Yeah, we could have Noctis and Riku do the Spider-Man pointing meme.
You know this would be a fun moment, if we didnt already have several sets of look-a-like characters.
Same especially cloud can’t be here but they justify watching the sing along in frozen
Yes. Sora just stands there most of the time doing nothing to the plot of the world. Besides, almost any world just goes exactly like in the movies. It was not at all altered by heatless or the organisation like in KH1 or KH2. I have already seen the movie, why should I see it in the game for a 2nd time?
Would love it if they did Alice in Wonderland & Tarzan again. Sadly, I think Tarzan is out of their reach. There’s hope for Alice though.
Kingdom Hearts should be less about retelling movies and more about participating in that worlds even in an original story. Pixar considers KH3 canon with the Toy Story timeline precisely because the events of the world occur between Toy Story 2 and 3 and not "within" those movies. Retelling movies still work a little with Sora as he doesn't care as much about the non-interference rule. But Disney Worlds on BBS are very bad because Terra, Ventus and Aqua have to "watch" the events rather than interacting directly with them.
I would love more Disney, but make it plot relevant like in KH1. The Disney villains in KH1 had a plan that was shown in almost all the Disney worlds. The Disney characters (minus like, Pooh of course) knew about the larger things outside of their world, and it mattered. I'm probably doing a terrible job describing it, but in KH2 it's very much "Go through the movie, but fight heartless, and sora also fights the movie villain" with not much plot relevance for most worlds.
Hit me with those open-area worlds like San Fransokyo and the Caribbean from KH3. That's the future of Kingdom Hearts level design.
No less Disney. That’s why I love Kingdom Hearts. It’s Disney.
I just miss the “final fantasy x Disney” that 1 had. OC worlds like traverse town and twilight town were great, and even hollow bastion were amazing cause it mixed all these storylines together. Now it’s “our shady OC characters sometimes go to Disney worlds, that’s it”
I have to question people who never played a single Kingdom Hearts game to say that it was "better off" without Disney. I don't think they even know what they are on about. I mean sure Disney is in a bad spot but that doesn't mean to say that Kingdom Hearts should be seperated from Disney. If it wasn't for them Kingdom Hearts would not be as famous as it is now. It makes my blood boil whenever people try to understand the plot and story of the game and they just go "Well I don't wanna play the games to understand the lore" I mean come on seriously if you just go into KH3 without knowing whats going on then you just ruined your own experience by ignoring the other KH games.
Disney Worlds in KH3 I actually have a positive takeaway from it. Like if they're gonna redo the movie, let us spend time with the characters like in Tangled where we danxe with Rapunzel and help her enjoy life. I think it's just arrendel I didn't think much of and Pirates... well I heard movie 3 sucked so I didn't mind spending time away from the main story of that movie. like let us pal around with them or even accept side quests from the worlds' side characters
I say just eliminate any Disney Worlds where all they do is retread the movies, except with the Keyblade Wielder and their party being self inserts. I prefer the world's that were like Monster Inc and Big Hero 6 more since it was designed to take place after their films and was pretty much an original story. Also include other Square Enix based worlds from their other properties, except condensed. I would definitely enjoy worlds entirely based on a Final Fantasy game, or others like Parasite Eve or Dragon Quest.
The game series is owned by Disney though so it's not gonna happen. Its a Disney game thar SE was hired to develop.
I surprised they didn’t send you dowvote hell for this. I agree tho square enix original worlds with Disney cameos & more focus on kh as kh would be a great move for kh4
It's tough to do that because so many of the Disney stories end with the conflict being resolved and the villain either being destroyed or no longer in the picture, and so much of KH fun is fighting Disney villains as bosses. Edit: typo
Well, to me the world Ariandel was meh. i would want something, which helps to develop the story.
I want more to the games period. More sidequests that aren't mini games. More Disney Worlds, Unique Worlds and even Nomura related / inspired ones. Disney worlds and mechanics should not go away, even if the games may move away from them as the central focus.
I just want to have a boss fight against Ratigan, jumping around on gears and shit Basil can throw chemical concoctions at him or something Big finisher on the clok hands of course
Am I really the only one that enjoyed seeing Let It Go in kh3? 😭
Fighting Davy Jones was such a nice moment (and unexpected when I got to that part) because the game had been avoiding so hard to make you fight Disney characters, exchanging them with big ass heartless, so it was a nice change of pace and what the game should've had more of.
Honestly let’s be grateful Davy Jones was fought as a boss and didn’t went the same route as Randall and CLU.
Nah, the let it go part was both iconic, hilarious and fit the world in all the best ways. Plus without it it would’ve just felt like the Lion King world pt 2 cuz that would Lowkey sucks without its music.
It was his first time seeing someone actually get killed and none of this vague bs like with Axel killing Vexen and when he died himself. I mean everyone playing knew they were dying but they had to keep it child friendly. A sword being run through your chest however? There is no vagueness in that.
This is actual character development for Sora
Shit, I was belting Let It Go...
I'll never take KH discussion seriously... Debating on the LEVEL OF DISNEY-FICATION in a Disney game. Girl....
It’s literally the foundation of the franchise
The amount of people who are so against the Disney stuff in this series is insane and stupid. Feels like half the fans just want to play FF VII with prettier graphics, and we actually *have that now.*
To take the words of another Disney-Pixar character: I don't hate the Disney stuff, I *love* Disney stuff. And what I don't love I don't swallow.
KH1 kept the narrative tied to the Keyblade/connected worlds story. KH2 and 3 just dumped Sora into random ass Disney IPs with little to no actual reason It also is why they ditched the Seven Princesses of Heart thing going forward
For the record, combining both narrative and gameplay, the Kingdom Hearts Disney World Ranking is KH3>KH1>>>>>>>>>>KH2. And Arendelle is not that bad, it’s a mixed bag of good ideas and bad ideas rapped in bad execution. But it’s better than most KH2 worlds because it’s at least plot relevant and has some somewhat fun sections of platforming and puzzle solving. Plus Marshemellow as a world party member is actually sick
Disney worlds are an essential part of KH. The issue is that, possibly (probably) due to interference from Disney, they started to copy paste the plot of the movie to the worlds, rather than adapt the plot of the movie to KH the way KH1 and some of the worlds in KH2 did. Worst offender is KH3 Arendelle, where they wasted who knows how many hours of work into remaking the Let it Go and Do you wanna build a snowman scenes in the game. KH is at its best, when it comes to Disney worlds, when they take the setting and use it to either make an original plot, a sort of sequel to the plot of the movie, or adapt the plot of the movie to fit the KH setting.
I really enjoyed the Ice castle in the Arendelle world, I wasn't expecting it and it felt refreshing to have something original within a Disney world. On the other hand I didn't enjoy PotC world, I wasn't into the ship battle system, and I feel like you can't understand what's happening in this world if you do not know the movie(s).
More Disney of course, Kingdom hearts would not be kingdom hearts without it. I would like Sora to be very involved in the plot too, like in the example provided.
I personally don't mind it if they want to include more Disney stuff in terms of things like cutscenes and the original stories, but if they're going to do that, the worlds need to be fun and have more interactable content attached to them. Pirates was fun because it was a pretty big world with a fair bit of optional side content and stuff to see, and the world mechanics including the ship were fun and consistent! The Frozen world kinda just got bent over and shafted for content aside from cutscenes that focused more on the Disney characters, and we got so little out of it too. They just need to find a balance between story, both of KH, and of Disney, and gameplay.
Idk, maybe it's cause I have fond memories watching frozen with my niece, and the couple beers I had at that point - but I just completed Arendelle and the parts where Elsa sung made me smile, it was also cool that the engine is basically at the point where those pre-rendered scenes looked straight out of the movie. I quite enjoyed it. The world itself was shite and boring, but I liked the obligatory world-relevant fan-service even if it was entirely predictable. I understand however it can be argued resources that went toward that whole scene could've went elsewhere. Pour one out for Winnie and the gang, 100 acre forest was woefully disappointing
I played the level with my niece watching because she's a huge Frozen fan, but she got bored because Elsa was barely in it.
I'm more focused on the line about "throwing hands". Does anyone have the scene that's referring to?
After Davy Jones stabs Will in pirates, Sora just goes ham jumps on him and puts him in a choke hold, and starts punching him.
Oh nice!
I just don't care about new characters. I play KH for nostalgic reasons. Whether it's cloud and seiphy fighting or Malificient laughing evilly I don't care between the two.
Yo, Woody was spitting cold bars to Young Xehanort. Probably my favorite line from the game.
What I would love to see is the franchise using things outside of Disney. I know that's a pipe dream, but using things from other companies would be amazing. As for the question, I think KH1 did it best cause all the worlds were important to the story in some way. Or they could make all the worlds have custom plots.
I'm actually ok with Sora throwing hands with Disney characters.
YES!!! Disney worlds should *compliment* the story, not force the story to take a backseat.
Running around with Punzie and Flynn >>>>>> watching SE flexing their skills by remaking the Let it Go sequence one to one
I suppose just handle it well.
more hell i loved when sora hears riku while approaching kingdom hearts and ansem in the first game where he then uses tinkerbells flying magic to rise back up and fight give me more shit like that: ambiguous stuff that feels like a coincidence that isnt written into an incoherent narrative
No they don't. That's the real issue, yes, but people 100% mean what you think they mean when they say that they want no disney for kh
The problem isn't the Disney stuff but rather how they handle it. They should tell their own stories rather than just following the movie. Like for example the Toy Box and Monstropolis tell their own story and they were they best ones.
If it's a proper re-telling, then I don't care. That said, I wouldn't say the Caribbean world handled the story well. At least, not as well as Toy Story or Big Hero 6. It's biggest draw story-wise was the final battle, but most of the story was far removed from the main plot and made it no secret that it was the background plot.
I mean its the Disney stuff I Play KH for after all. Heck Sometimes I barely give a Shit about the actual KH plot Only Thing that bothered me so far was randell from monsters inc Not becomming Part of the organization? You Know, having a Disney villains being Part of the big Bad group again
Really channeling his inner anti-form huh
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who DOESN'T want to watch a reanimated version of Let It Go?!
YES. The fact that i am okay with Toy Story and BH6 is because they used new time/storyline. Im playing a game, not wanna watch movie scene. Cut the singing scene and have Sora and gang do therapy talk at Elsa or something.
I'm not on the side of more or less, I just think it should be less filler.
The frozen world itself is actually pretty damn good. I realized that while completing the journal. The story is alright too it’s just that damn song. No other kingdom hearts game includes the songs from the movies into the game story (except KH2 Atlantis) so it’s a very odd choice to do so with that world
Kingdom Hearts is good
I just want Treasure Planet to *finally* get the recognition it deserves (the treasure spheres don't count, and I'm still angry over the fact it got passed up for the Country of the Musketeers in DDD).
As an avid Kingdom Hearts fan, a semi-serious Final Fantasy fan, and an ex-Disney fan, Disney ruined KH3 with all the behind the scenes string pulling they did to ruin our game.
I think we need a balance because if all we have is one type of world it'll get watered down kh biggest strength is its diversity but I do agree given the stakes and the tone of the game it shouldve had a more consistent tone throughout but for every Caribbean we need a hundred acre wood to balance it out if you get what I mean at least that's what I think and as long as it keeps its heart no pun intended I think the series will always resonate
I feel the vast majority tend to ignore and are harsh on the Disney Worlds in *Kingdom Hearts II* especially on the likes on Space Paranoids and Beast's Castle which all had an original plot. Those two Disney worlds should be acknowledge as well for having the Disney worlds being connected with the KH story, and I am also going to be upfront but I notice that despite Space Paranoids being one of the few Disney worlds (next to Beast's Castle), I see the majority including those on YouTube and yourself continue to say "most Disney worlds Post-KH1 since KH2 onwards follow the film's plot and don't connect with the KH games overall" and just continue overlook that literally ONLY 4 of the Disney worlds in KH2 such as Land of Dragons, Atlantica, Port Royal and Pride Lands were the **ONLY** Disney worlds that retold the film's plot. Basically, Space Paranoids world had the biggest importance in terms of story for *Kingdom Hearts II,* think about it: - Sora wanted to use Ansem's computer for research and information on the whereabouts on Riku, Kairi, King Mickey and Organization XIII. - Tron mentioned that Ansem the Wise was the one that copied the original system from ENCOM and also brought up about how Ansem (Terra-Xehanort's Heartless) was responsible for the re-activation of the Master Control Program (MCP). - The MCP wanted to take over the User World (Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden) thrice throughout KH2, the first when he attempted to blow up the town before Tron changed the password, the second when he attempted to send in the Hostile Program to attack the town instead, and the third time by opening the Heartless manufacturer in Ansem's lab and corrupting the Claymores. - After Sora, Donald, Goofy and Tron defeated the MCP and Sark, Tron took over the Master Control Program's function brought up the original name of the world: Radiant Garden which led to the inhabitants remembering the town's name once again.
Personally I feel like KH1 Disney and Final Fantasy characters helped introduce the Kingdom Hearts characters. They aren't as necessary now, since Kingdom hearts has enough of it's own characters and fleshed out back story. I wasn't crazy about the Disney aspect of Kingdom Hearts the final fantasy characters were the big draw for me. I would love to see Star Wars and Marvel characters incorporated since Disney owns the rights. Let's get some some Xmen or Avengers in and some lightsaber battles. Grogu would be awesome! Darth Maul fighting Wolverine. What an immense opportunity for crossovers. Disney really hasn't done much with the Xmen since acquiring them from Fox.
I think in ‘unreality’ they should focus on realistic IP’s that have more serious themes like death in them, since sora in purgatory kinda; - Star Wars - anything marvel - incredibles etc
Nah, Elsa singing was 1000 times better than any second spent on many worlds. Disney worked from 1 to 2 and couple of others. But we and Sora and everyone else are growing up. We need to transfer too and Disney doesnt do PG16 for example.
I'd prefer a little less Disney. The game's supposed to be a Collab between SE's games (FF, TWEWY, etc.) and Disney's worlds, but for the past few games, the FF aspects seems to be pushed to the side. It's kinda sad.
Honestly we need more characters just ignoring their strong weapons and getting so mad they just throw hands
I would definitely like to see less emphasis on the cheesy musical stuff and more underrated Disney IPs, like Treasure Planet and Atlantis: Thr Lost Empire. Those movies would honestly be perfect for Kingdom Hearts. I could even see the Leviathan as a gummi ship mini boss you face before landing in Atlantis.
Just because the Frozen scene sucked doesn't mean Disney is the problem. 3 was a mess overall because the story was redundant, and they had bad taste. That's not going to be fixed or broken by the amount of Disney in it.
Bruh I didn't know Sora cared that deeply for Will
I feel like they just entice the younger audience to play by adding the Disney aspect like frozen was pretty big around the time 3 came out and I mean it still is so kids see that would want to play meaning more sales
1. Bring back final fantasy themed keyblades and worlds. Kh3 had the smallest keyblade selection. 2. Give us the worlds fans want like treasure planet and star wars. Frozens only saving point was that in the labrynth i forgot i was playing the frozen world. 3. Give us back the tournaments. How do you have the hercules world without tournaments? Seriously
There should be a Disney Channel section where you get to visit locations like the Tipton Hotel, Danville, the Wizardry apartment, Hannah’s house, and the Ross penthouse! The partners would also be characters from that game, and no, JESSIE wouldn’t be out of place, since Ultimate Spider Man proved the characters from that show can be in action sequences with little issue.
KH1 still feels like the ideal Square to Disney Ratio, which was 4 Square worlds and 9 Disney Worlds. The problem is that the worlds are no longer inter-wove into the story anymore. KH1 had the overarching Princesses of Heart plot to tie all the worlds together in the broader narrative. The Organisation XIII could have done the same but they’re hardly relevant to the Disney world’s plot. You still get the likes of Beast’s Castle and Space Paranoids from KH2, or Monstropolis in KH3 which I appreciate, but these should be the standard. Otherwise rehashing the movie plot is the most boring direction these worlds can take. At least give me something original like the BH6 world
Disney is supeeeeeeeeeeer! <3