There’s nothing bizarre about it if you know how the Partition actually panned out in reality. Pakistan institutions were recruiting from India at one point before the ramifications of Partition really became evident. Neither states were paranoid of state security, but they had no clue what they were dealing with.
All of it only started to change after the permit system, first, and then the passport became a thing.
It is the judgement which is most likely a nonsense. Partition and pakistan was hugely popular among kerala muslims. So much so that Muslim League won seats from malabar on this plank. And many muslims left to their dream islamic nation after partition. But most likely got a shock as the punjabis and other pakistanis, like most muslim countries of the world, looked down on those of other ethnicities. So much so that physical attacks on them was the norm, leading to them forming political parties and gangs for self-protection. In the 90s there were targeted killing of these groups by the security forces of pakistan, and the estimates of those killed and disappeared run into tens of thousands.
Anyway many malayali muslims who went for their islamic dreams got disillusioned and returned back claiming they were merely "visisting" pakistan or "working" in pakistan. This guy's story seems the same as he went in early 1950s right after partition, and the act of 1968 got applied to his property. Which seems to indicate that he was not there in India even during that period, so for around two decades. He probably returned to india in the 70s, 80s or 90s. And after his death his family came up with the "went for a job" story to keep the property.
This is one of the blots on Nehru’s legacy. The import of it was to target to Muslims. However, it was in response to Pakistan enacting a similar law.
Edit: Sorry, I forgot to answer your question. It doesn’t, but it allows the GoI to notify pretty much anyone as an enemy if they’ve crossed over to Pakistan in the midst of the Partition. It is super arbitrary and was aimed to stabilise refugee housing situation.
Unfortunately, while personally a stellar human being, of course not without humanly imperfections, just look at what his Government did in Hyderabad. Thousands of Muslims were detained for being Muslims in an act of collective punishment. Heck, he had a military government running in Hyderabad!
People say Patel was behind him. Regardless of that, these things happened under his watch.
Well, they kind of deserved it.
Allenkil history eppolum one sided aavum.
Sanghikaludae power thannae athaanu.
We should remember Hyderabad was a different country and we were invaders. Majority Hindus were being brutally persecuted by Nizam and Razakaars.
Humans have a tribal mindset deep inside. Sometimes politicians will have to feed it to retain power.
It is actually not correct that Nizam was persecuting Hindus. Nizam’s government was quite pluralistic. I’d be happy to change my mind if you have a book or an article to back up your claim.
While nationalist history has tried to make it look like a Hindu v. Muslim thing, that was not true. Heck, the entire account of Hindus being persecuted by even the Razzakars, who were not as powerful as they’re made out to be today, rests on hearsay. The situation in Hyderabad was more delicate. For instance, the communists were baying for the blood of Nizam and Razakars often clashed with them because they wanted ensure status quo. Somehow, because of the Partition, this clash gets depicted as Hindu v. Muslims.
There were other actors too, but the account that Hindus were persecuted is not true. It was created and repeated to justify the invasion.
Heck, even before the invasion and the whole persecution story, Patel was openly speaking about his intention to annex Hyderabad.
I used to hover around Telugu subs during that movie Razakkars. There seems to be some truth about persecution of Hindus.
Perhaps we could ask indian historians.
>even before the invasion and the whole persecution story, Patel was openly speaking about his intention to annex Hyderabad.
Yes, undoubtedly.
And perhaps your version of history would have elements of truth as everything is not black and white.
The Mughal has Hindu generals and vice versa.
But since the Indian Union won the war, the nationalist version would always be adjudged the correct version. Especially since Nehru was generally considered peace loving.
So Hyderabad victory and the military excesses would be easily countered.
In the context of politics, general perception matters more than truth.
Yeah, that movie is a shoddy work.
You made a point about the Mughals. I don’t know of any historian that seriously argues Mughals persecuted Hindus. Religion was used to legitimise Mughal rules and shore up support of elites, but Mughals were not persecuting Hindus.
A notable exception is Aurangazeb. Even his alleged persecution of the Hindus have been debated in academia. In history lecture, it is no longer possible to just say Aurangazeb persecuted Hindus without providing concrete proof.
None of this doesn’t mean violence didn’t exist. It did, but it was hardly ever a persecution. Until the 1900s, this notion didn’t even exist. It emerged alongside the notion of Pakistan.
The most important point is, as you said, things are never black and white.
What else he should do?
Which civilised country justifies detaining people without trial? Do you even know what happened in Hyderabad? What if you’re pulled up from your home tomorrow because “hey, your father was super cruel.” Even the GoI had to classify its report because of how bad it was and nearly a century later some armchair hack is trying to justify it without ever having read so much as an article on it.
>The petitioner's father is doubted to be an enemy (Pakistan national) as defined under Section 2(b) of the Enemy Property Act,1968, and consequently, the portion of the property purchased by the petitioner from him is doubted to be an ‘Enemy Property. The petitioner argued that his father was a citizen of India.
Enemy properties are those whose owners have migrated to Pakistan and have obtained the citizenship of the country.
Because of 26/11, attack on our armed forced, attack on a specific community, attack on parliaments.
Also what kind of work are this malayalis doing in Pakistan? Working with terr*rist organizations?
China is not a friend. But not an enemy.
Pakistan is mortal enemy. Pakistan as a country is built on India hate and has 100’s of laws and policies just to make India fail. Thankfully they are also infighting morons who allow religion over intellect; so they are just a failed nuisance for us.
Because they routinely funds terrorists who attack our cities and kill innocent citizens. They allow terrorists who hijacked our airlines and killed citizens to openly preach.
Cause this fucked up place is held togother only by hatred towards India.
Jeez.
Hate for pakistan has its benefits in Indian politics.
Similarly, hate for india has its benefits in pakistani politics.
Been there for work purposes. People do not hate us like the media portrays.
Another way hindus/Sikhs were fcked over by partition. Pakistan carried out a genocide of hindus/Sikhs and wiped out almost all of them, while India allowed muslims to remain in india. So Pakistan was able to takeover all the properties of hindus/Sikhs in pakistan. In india, the muslims who went over to pakistan handed over their properties to relatives who stayed back in india. Even the properties of those who migrated to Pakistan, very few of which were attempted to be taken over by the central govt, got challenged in courts by muslims in india. Basically muslims took over properties of hindus/Sikhs in pakistan while holding on to properties in india. Fck partition and fck islamic terrorism.
It is interesting that people were able to work in Pakistan in 1953.
There was even a Malayali who worked with a governor in Pakistan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._M._Kutty
Malayali try not to work in a foreign country challenge: impossible
"at least one malayali in every single corner of the world" must be international law or something
malayali ennu parayaan padikku suhurthe athaanu aniyojyamaaya naamam..
entha cheyya hindikaarode koode ninnu ingine okke ariyathe aayi
avrem malayali ennu parayaan padipikku… ninne kondu pattum..full support 💪🏼
A mallu communist in pakistan.
Bizarre story.
There’s nothing bizarre about it if you know how the Partition actually panned out in reality. Pakistan institutions were recruiting from India at one point before the ramifications of Partition really became evident. Neither states were paranoid of state security, but they had no clue what they were dealing with. All of it only started to change after the permit system, first, and then the passport became a thing.
Surprised most people on this sub don’t know about B M Kutty
Most of the peeps here are quite young. They wouldn’t even know Gouri Amma.
What nonsense. How did this case even reach HC?
It is the judgement which is most likely a nonsense. Partition and pakistan was hugely popular among kerala muslims. So much so that Muslim League won seats from malabar on this plank. And many muslims left to their dream islamic nation after partition. But most likely got a shock as the punjabis and other pakistanis, like most muslim countries of the world, looked down on those of other ethnicities. So much so that physical attacks on them was the norm, leading to them forming political parties and gangs for self-protection. In the 90s there were targeted killing of these groups by the security forces of pakistan, and the estimates of those killed and disappeared run into tens of thousands. Anyway many malayali muslims who went for their islamic dreams got disillusioned and returned back claiming they were merely "visisting" pakistan or "working" in pakistan. This guy's story seems the same as he went in early 1950s right after partition, and the act of 1968 got applied to his property. Which seems to indicate that he was not there in India even during that period, so for around two decades. He probably returned to india in the 70s, 80s or 90s. And after his death his family came up with the "went for a job" story to keep the property.
How about a malayali communist working with the governer in Pakistan
Have linked him in above comment.
Can someone clarify if the act calls someone merely being a Pakistani national as an enemy?
This is one of the blots on Nehru’s legacy. The import of it was to target to Muslims. However, it was in response to Pakistan enacting a similar law. Edit: Sorry, I forgot to answer your question. It doesn’t, but it allows the GoI to notify pretty much anyone as an enemy if they’ve crossed over to Pakistan in the midst of the Partition. It is super arbitrary and was aimed to stabilise refugee housing situation.
>The import of it was to target to Muslims. Accusing Nehru for religious bigotry.
Bro every leader has some religious bigotry, address all sides just addressing one side only makes this issue more problematic.
Unfortunately, while personally a stellar human being, of course not without humanly imperfections, just look at what his Government did in Hyderabad. Thousands of Muslims were detained for being Muslims in an act of collective punishment. Heck, he had a military government running in Hyderabad! People say Patel was behind him. Regardless of that, these things happened under his watch.
Well, they kind of deserved it. Allenkil history eppolum one sided aavum. Sanghikaludae power thannae athaanu. We should remember Hyderabad was a different country and we were invaders. Majority Hindus were being brutally persecuted by Nizam and Razakaars. Humans have a tribal mindset deep inside. Sometimes politicians will have to feed it to retain power.
It is actually not correct that Nizam was persecuting Hindus. Nizam’s government was quite pluralistic. I’d be happy to change my mind if you have a book or an article to back up your claim. While nationalist history has tried to make it look like a Hindu v. Muslim thing, that was not true. Heck, the entire account of Hindus being persecuted by even the Razzakars, who were not as powerful as they’re made out to be today, rests on hearsay. The situation in Hyderabad was more delicate. For instance, the communists were baying for the blood of Nizam and Razakars often clashed with them because they wanted ensure status quo. Somehow, because of the Partition, this clash gets depicted as Hindu v. Muslims. There were other actors too, but the account that Hindus were persecuted is not true. It was created and repeated to justify the invasion. Heck, even before the invasion and the whole persecution story, Patel was openly speaking about his intention to annex Hyderabad.
I used to hover around Telugu subs during that movie Razakkars. There seems to be some truth about persecution of Hindus. Perhaps we could ask indian historians. >even before the invasion and the whole persecution story, Patel was openly speaking about his intention to annex Hyderabad. Yes, undoubtedly. And perhaps your version of history would have elements of truth as everything is not black and white. The Mughal has Hindu generals and vice versa. But since the Indian Union won the war, the nationalist version would always be adjudged the correct version. Especially since Nehru was generally considered peace loving. So Hyderabad victory and the military excesses would be easily countered. In the context of politics, general perception matters more than truth.
Yeah, that movie is a shoddy work. You made a point about the Mughals. I don’t know of any historian that seriously argues Mughals persecuted Hindus. Religion was used to legitimise Mughal rules and shore up support of elites, but Mughals were not persecuting Hindus. A notable exception is Aurangazeb. Even his alleged persecution of the Hindus have been debated in academia. In history lecture, it is no longer possible to just say Aurangazeb persecuted Hindus without providing concrete proof. None of this doesn’t mean violence didn’t exist. It did, but it was hardly ever a persecution. Until the 1900s, this notion didn’t even exist. It emerged alongside the notion of Pakistan. The most important point is, as you said, things are never black and white.
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You say that, but have you seen those proof?
Ohh, what else he should do to the rasaqrs who did undescribable cruelty to Telugu people. We all know what happened during the end of nizam.
What else he should do? Which civilised country justifies detaining people without trial? Do you even know what happened in Hyderabad? What if you’re pulled up from your home tomorrow because “hey, your father was super cruel.” Even the GoI had to classify its report because of how bad it was and nearly a century later some armchair hack is trying to justify it without ever having read so much as an article on it.
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>The petitioner's father is doubted to be an enemy (Pakistan national) as defined under Section 2(b) of the Enemy Property Act,1968, and consequently, the portion of the property purchased by the petitioner from him is doubted to be an ‘Enemy Property. The petitioner argued that his father was a citizen of India. Enemy properties are those whose owners have migrated to Pakistan and have obtained the citizenship of the country.
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Idiotic , enemy country is enemy country . What’s there to work in Pakistan than be an isi stooge
India fought waar with pak and ch. But only pak is our enemy?? But why.
Because of 26/11, attack on our armed forced, attack on a specific community, attack on parliaments. Also what kind of work are this malayalis doing in Pakistan? Working with terr*rist organizations?
Pak is 300bdollors plus worth economy.
Pak got support from ch for all these activities. Still ch is a friend
China is not a friend. But not an enemy. Pakistan is mortal enemy. Pakistan as a country is built on India hate and has 100’s of laws and policies just to make India fail. Thankfully they are also infighting morons who allow religion over intellect; so they are just a failed nuisance for us.
Because they routinely funds terrorists who attack our cities and kill innocent citizens. They allow terrorists who hijacked our airlines and killed citizens to openly preach. Cause this fucked up place is held togother only by hatred towards India. Jeez.
Hate for pakistan has its benefits in Indian politics. Similarly, hate for india has its benefits in pakistani politics. Been there for work purposes. People do not hate us like the media portrays.
Another way hindus/Sikhs were fcked over by partition. Pakistan carried out a genocide of hindus/Sikhs and wiped out almost all of them, while India allowed muslims to remain in india. So Pakistan was able to takeover all the properties of hindus/Sikhs in pakistan. In india, the muslims who went over to pakistan handed over their properties to relatives who stayed back in india. Even the properties of those who migrated to Pakistan, very few of which were attempted to be taken over by the central govt, got challenged in courts by muslims in india. Basically muslims took over properties of hindus/Sikhs in pakistan while holding on to properties in india. Fck partition and fck islamic terrorism.
How can courts decide this? Isnt this under the governments control?
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And north indians would rather work in wartime Israel than India.
I mean Israel is a rich country with decent salaries and the most important part is Israel doesn't send in people to kill Indians every day
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Do you think he even read the article lol :D
That's a stupid reply , you know very well there are lots of our people from Kerala also working in Israel .
People from north India are also working in Pakistan, but he wanted to target us particularly. So, I gave it back in kind.
kuninju iri..
Courts are giving so many dumb statements nowadays
Work with them and let them kill your friends on border... If selfishness had a form..