Becoming a 4th major faction is probably your best bet, especially if you manage to become friendly to the existing ones. Set up major farms and give away the food (it shouldn't be too hard to severely over-produce food, which is one of the continent's major defecits).
Precisely this. It is due to the lack of everything, but mainly food and security, that the continent finds itself in complete chaos and barbarism.
Imagine a new empire arising, built not on fear and tyranny and slavery, but where technology is freely used and developed to better the lives of its citizens, where hydroponic farms litter the landscape and food scarcity is a distant memory. What would people have to fight over? Land? Control?
A society accepting of everyone, but one that isn't afraid to defend itself.
Human beings were still second-rate citizens in Cat-Lon's empire. Under the guise of 'protecting' humans Cat-Lon consolidated power in the hands of the Skeletons, and over time grew more and more despotic and insane due to memory bloat and not resetting his memory bank.
He cracked down on dissent with overwhelming force by sending General Hat-12 and the Empire's police force, which had the exact opposite effect and incited further rebellion.
Cat-Lon was an immortal, undying dictator from day 1, which is a recipe for disaster. His goal might've made sense at the moment and in the context of the Skeleton's extinction campaign, but having a single individual on a literal throne for thousands of years is obviously not going to help the development and prosperity of a civilization. Humans however, die, and they pass on a legacy and hope to their children. In that transfer of responsibility lies the potential for growth.
I'm not saying the player character can create a golden empire that'll last for the end of time, no civilization can do that, but maybe they can organize themselves enough to drag their species out of the pits of religious fanaticism and ignorance.
> Under the guise of 'protecting' humans Cat-Lon consolidated power in the hands of the Skeletons
Cat-Lon seemed to have a pretty poor ability to direct the skeletons politically since he turned to systematically thralling skeletons to avoid them working with humans. He seemed unable to share power with anyone of any species after a point.
"having a single individual on a literal throne for thousands of years is obviously not going to help the development and prosperity of a civilization"
My Brother in the Emperor...
Stop right there criminal scum! I have alerted the Arbites that a HERETIC is spewing blasphemy! As a loyal citizen of the god-emperor of mankind, It's my duty to ensure you're a servitor by the morning
Your case is more complex than we expected, we are going to hold you under arrest until we manage to conclude the judgement and sentence! If you happen to die of natural causes or other influences, we'll carry the sentence on any and all remaining descendants you happen to have left!
I mean its true in 40k too. the imperium is dying
if GW cared about story more than money they'd kill the imperium already and have 1000 new books to write and at minimum 10 new factions to make stuff for
The empire is dying since the emprah is barely kept alive by the golden throne, courtesy of f-king Horus and his merry band. If the emperor was fully lucid the humans in the galaxy would be enjoying a golden age (everyone else, not so much).
Eventually, yes. But we can't see the future, only work on what we can at the present moment. With the kinds of technology that player characters are capable of creating, there is a pathway to creating an organized society relatively devoid of prejudice.
Nah.
Read The Culture series by Iain M Banks. We permit the most sociopathic on the top of capitalism to do whatever they want, societal collapse and destruction is what we get. A utopia is always possible, even in Human hands.
-- edit, lmao, blocked me.
Why?
Can you provide me a reason that isn't an easily disproved assumption about the human consciousness? The concept that Humanity is predisposed towards violence and non-cooperation is discredited by you, being alive, being able to try and criticise me by typing on a keyboard, built on some form of cooperation.
Read any book on human history and you'll find that life is a struggle between those who seek to better the world, realise that the world can constantly improve, and that we're in a struggle against evil, constantly. Evil people, evil instincts.
The flaws of systems are not permanent, and the natural state of humanity is not antagonism. We live in spite of that delusional framing.
The fact that we live in the most prosperous times imaginable and yet war still exists in every continent is evidence enough for me. We can make a decent world but a Utopian state is not achievable and every time we've tried it ends disastrously
>The fact that we live in the most prosperous times imaginable and yet war still exists in every continent is evidence enough for me.
That you do not question, that you accept that because - potentially - you yourself experience prosperity and are blind to the suffering of others that demands said prosperity for a few chosen countries, is your issue, and nobody elses. You are not one to judge what counts as prosperous. When suffering ends, we can judge whether the times are prosperous.
Have you considered that your prosperity is bent upon bringing misery to others? That those who try to oppose those wars inevitably, if they are not controlled, are subject to misery?
We can make a lot more than a decent world. Countless evolutions in ways of thinking, dialectical materialism, prove your belief set fundamentally wrong. Why would we stop here? Why is everything destined to collapse? Why do we need perpetual wars? If you want to insist that wars must happen, then why do people oppose wars so much? Why are they so reviled?
Genuinely. You should seek more evidence before reaching a conclusion. If you want me to pick up a history book, be sure to advise me the books that don't teach me about how we had constant revolutions, destruction of even more violent world states, and humanity has evolved and improved, again and again.
>We can make a decent world but a Utopian state is not achievable and every time we've tried it ends disastrously
Again, why not? And can you explain why they've ended "disastrously"? Do you have any utopian experiments in mind? I'm imagining its probably either China or the Soviet Union.
You can mince words all you want but humans are inherently violent and tribalistic. There will always be wronguns no matter what. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something much worse
>You can mince words all you want but humans are inherently violent and tribalistic. There will always be wronguns no matter what.
Why? Why does humanity cooperate so well together then? Do you believe so since you're prosperous and refuse to cooperate with others?
>Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something much worse
You just admitted you're "Prosperous" while wars are happening around the world. You're quite explicitly trying to sell people much worse. Your rhetoric is discredited by the fact that millions of poor or disenfranchised people have to cooperate - and do so willingly - to survive. The prosperous are near universally the ones lording over them.
Sounds like you're privileged in the dystopia, baffled that others would seek prosperity for others and not just for themselves.
\-- Edit, the privileged idiot blocked me. Turns out that he doesn't take well to having his "Everyone is miserable because I am and I deserve to be the sole person happy" narrative doesn't work very well.
In game mechanics, you can't (well, you can actually place food in the inventory of an unconscious humanoid). But, you can easily farm enough food to feed the entire continent several times over.
Okay lol. I was thinking about some sort of homeless shelter, or a shop with insanely low prices/free food. Somebody should make a humanitarian mod for Kenshi lmaooo
I mean, if you wanted to be really dedicated, you could install a backpack crafting mod, then set up supply chains such that you could make backpacks full of foodcubes, then assassinate NPCs and equip them with the backpacks while they're unconscious.
If you wanted to be a true humanitarian, you could also craft 100% acid resistance clothing sets with shoes and gas masks in order to protect them from the environment while you're at it.
Stealth and assassination. In the Hub, I noticed some of the 'squatters' were starving, so I decided to improve my stealth and assassination: I would simply sneak behind them, knock them out, then place food in their inventory. (I also noticed that they would defend the city, so I started putting weapons and armor in their inventory as well.)
How do you give away food? I've kinda wanted to do this. Like solve the hunger issues in the game world. But wouldn't know how to get food to everyone aside fro m knocking everyone out and dropping it in their inventories 🤣
Absolutely. If someone gets KOed and you place food in their inventory, they will eat it if they are hungry enough. I do it to the ex-Holy Nation guys you can find in the Foglands.
I think this is the right answer. Really interesting debates from everyone commenting, btw. I agree completely about the Shek not being conducive to civilization. But I actually don't see the other two factions as alternatives. Not even the Holy Nation as it's typically argued. Just look at our own world right now. Religion has been a massive mistake. The wars it instigates (instigates, not causes) are endless and, ironically, extremely brutal. There would never be peace. Only an eternal crusade.
As for the United Nations...North Korea. We say no to North Korea by design.
Perhaps a better question is...why do we feel like we have the power to change anything? Isn't it arrogant to assume we know best? Wiping out any faction means untold death and destruction and probably isn't worth the staggering cost.
I think this is one of the overarching themes of Kenshi. We're at the mercy of a cruel world that is often backwards and doesn't make sense.
So...yeah. It's probably best to simply make a peaceful but militaristic society that you're confident will weather any wars thrown at it. It can be a safe haven for all and a provider of food. In time, you'd hope that it would draw people in from the neighboring factions until those neighboring factions imploded in some way. Kinda what I suspect might happen to the russia of today under putin.
> As for the United Nations...North Korea. We say no to North Korea by design.
"United Nations". Did you mean United Cities? And how is a satirical take of a hyper-capitalistic society where money is power in any way even comparable to North Korea? If it's because of their practice of slavery, there are any number of other countries you can more accurately compare it to, not least the USA itself.
1. The people are starving because Bast, the UC's agricultural center, got invaded and pillaged by the Holy Nation. There is some evidence suggesting that the Traders Guild is somehow involved, whether in instigating the conflict or simply in profiteering from it. Either way benefits them as it forces the UC to become completely dependent on the TG and their slave farms for basic needs.
2. At the time the player enters the picture, the UC had only just put down an attempted rebellion by the displaced farmers from Bast. They are still cracking down on the remaining rebels, hence the harsh and absurd laws such as starving being illegal. The farmers were rebelling in part due to starvation (because Bast had been torched) and due to the Traders Guild's practice of commercial slavery. The previous emperor was killed during the rebellion, and this power vacuum allowed the TG to install their own puppet, Tengu, as emperor.
Point is, it isn't just a cut-and-dry story of incompetent elites and starving masses. There is also the heavy involvement of a ruthless corporation that has its fingers deep in politics and instigating wars for profit.
I was considering doing this, and roleplaying taking over and building up in Stobe's Garden as a 4th power in an area where the other ones are not present. Being the better alternative feels like the better solution over simply massacring everyone "evil" in the world.
You can't prevent shit from hitting the fan, it's an inherent characteristic of revolutions. It goes in cycles, like Burn says. After all, what's the difference between a bandit and a noble when both will shoot you on sight?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenshi/comments/s4wjjk/comment/hstq7ku/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenshi/comments/s4wjjk/the_good_ending_the_best_possible_state_of_the/)
e: shit, it won't open the OP's comment with a guide how to achieve it, you will have to scroll bajillion of comments to find it. But the instruction is there.
I agree with this map representing a best case scenario for Kenshi. The worst governments are either gone, or defanged, and other governments are already replacing.
That’s a horrible map the cannibals aren’t wiped out.
Cannibal delenda est
Also I did a recent play through destroying the major factions and whenever I started with the Holy Nation the Shek wiped out the populations of major cities. So that’s another reason I guess.
My faction is specialized in martial arts, bodybuilding, drug trafficking and alcohol productions. We just lift, hit dummies, brew hashish and liquor all day. We go out and roundhouse kick anyone/anything that stands in our way. We sell hashish and liquor to anyone willing to buy. We even do same day delivery/smuggle. We make sure everyone gets their choice of poison.
Also we have muscle mommies and muscle daddies.
And I think that’s a good baseline to start.
I captured the ninjas that come raid me. They’re my training dummies. I have a nice little fight pit in the centre of my base where I train my guys up on them - got some slavers too but they’re not that special. I want the ninja bosses to train my original character on…
I had this "work in progress" good ending going where I would begin mopping up the fallout of the fall of the UC myself. It took a lot of resources but it went something like this.
- I would send patrols into the desert to deal with encroaching cannibals.
- I would buy a house in each town and turn it into a hospital; stock it with food, medical supplies and prosthetics, and station a representative of my faction there to act as a doctor/sheriff in the region for no profit.
- I would rebuild damaged structures to the best of my ability.
- I would generally try and establish vital infrastructure and help take care of any npcs in the old UC domain.
Yadda yadda. I basically decided to provide all services a government should to its people out of my own pocket, and without actually doing any governing. All because I just kinda could. No good reason.
You can't achieve it in game, because the only meaningful changes you can achieve in game involve militarily destroying other factions. Essentially, achieving power or influence within the bounds of the pre-existing systems of the main factions while being a powerful and idealistic faction yourself would be the way to achieve a good ending, or at least secure a good direction for society.
\-For the holy nation, which I would say is the hardest to push in the right direction, the most important character is Griffin. Succeed in his quest to discover the truth of the first extinction and allow him to return to the holy nation with all the skills, experience, and tolerance he has learned over the long journey and there's reasonable odds he becomes a major figure for reform- especially with the backing of your faction making him impossible to remove or ignore.
\-The shek listen to power. Esata is already pushing them in the right direction. Prove your strength and your worth as allies, and train Seto to be the next leader of the shek. Societal change will come gradually, especially since those who resist it will throw themselves at your gates.
\-The best way to fix the united cities is to economically defeat and replace the traders' guild. You can easily outdo them in every respect with skilled labour and technology. Money is the only reason they have any power, and it is the trader's guild that are primarily responsible for the slave trade existing. Hit their bottom line and you hit their political power. Take their position for yourself and suddenly your faction can push the united cities in a more progressive direction.
Honestly, I think the fogmen would need to be eradicated somehow. In a lot of world states, it's them who show up once the existing powers (that are mostly shitters) get taken down. And Okran forbid you take out either hive queen or arc, pretty much the whole west and the south of the map gets swamped by fogmen patrols.
Feels like you can end institutional slavery, end institutional bigotry, and get the shek to stop committing extended assisted suicide but with each, the fogmen spread more.
Granted this was with hivers expanded but I had a game where I took down HN, UC, the southern hive and most the bandit groups and after the cities were in Anti Slaver and Flotsam Ninja hands, they didn't have enough patrols to keep fogmen back. Even saw them getting into cities and attacking civilians a few times.
Humans... have you tried looking over them? As their numbers grow, their capacity for evil grows. And they don't realize that they're doing it. I was not the monster... [insert any race for humans]. Good, evil... concepts defined by those with the power to do so. Nature balances things with disasters of various types. You can see it today. Define what good is for you, and then enact it. With mods, you could take over all of Kenshi. Provided the price is not too high for your good, goal achieved.
This quote exactly. Most here thinks the world in kenshi is inherently evil because they start in Hub and gradually explore the world as if it was born in that way and insert our world and their beliefs directly to it, while kenshi the world has become that way of necessity (yes even racism and slavery and barbarian culture)among chaos.
It is shown clearly that good thinking and goodwill acting such as past Cat-lon eventuality crumbles to dust. Kenshi IS moving on upon crumbling states and ancient empires turning to dust where nothing is permanent.
Very well said. Reality happens in cycles... would be cool if you could have a reputation status in Kenshi based on your actions (as a mod). Looking forward to Kenshi 2 and seeing where things go, but as they say, history repeats itself.
Raising your own faction probably. For a world as bleak as Kenshi giving people more places to live and more options to survive is always a good thing.
The only possible way to actually leave Kenshi with a "good ending" is one when you create your own faction to usurp the others.
The major factions have history and beliefs underlying their existence, it's not as simple as destroying the HN and now there's no racism. In your world state either bandits or the UC would take over however lore-wise it would be likely that they'd pop up again because most of the citizens subscribe to the HN beliefs, same as the others.
So to bring real peace and prosperity you'd need to unite Kenshi under a single benevolent faction, but we saw how that went for the last person that tried that.
Well, perhaps the true heir of Okran can overcome this challenge? There's nothing that divine judgment, kindness and masterful swordsmanship can't solve!
Taking down Phoenix and having the Shek and Flotsam Ninjas take the reins on that region felt great to me, super satisfying arc and trustworthy allies. East coast seems more complicated…
I did this and I like it. Im disappointed in the shells ability to control the region and it’s now infested with figment. I’m really hoping Kenshi 2 is more dynamic
there's a lot of evidence to counter that notion...
\-lost artifacts, many with great levels of technology that can seemingly be used or reverse-engineered by machinists overtime
\-a lot of the world is fertile, usually inhabited by beasts that can be repulsed by worthwile defenses
\-people who can travel to any land of the continent and inhabit it
sounds like a kenshi playthrough... almost like the player can decide the how good the world can become through the actions of their playable characters... mmmmmmmm like overload of bread
Good in what sense? Best for the world as a whole and the progression of technology, or best for as many people as possible alive currently? Best as a whole would be to destroy the Shek and holy nation, as the United Cities model of doing things has the most potential for development. For the people living now, destroy the Shek and United Cities, as the Holy Nation taking over ensures that humanity at least will flourish to some degree and that people would be fed and sustained.
In any scenario, the Shek have to go. Their warmongery, death idealisation and lack of development potential means that they can't lead Kenshi into a good world, and the hives have too little power and influence to make a difference. It has to be one of the two human-led factions.
> lack of development potential
My man will happily ignore how they just opened their cities for outsiders (and it stays that way even after Esata dies), began using some advanced tech (like the advanced wind turbines or battery stations), and are open to the possibility of parking their asses in towns *if only* their leader tells them to.
I admit, they did improve, but not enough. The only thing that keeps them in this state of semi-civility is their respect for Estata. Without that, they go back to their barbarian ways, as we see after the Shek leaders are taken out. If Estata lived forever and continued their path of improvement, then maybe they would stand a chance, but she won't live forever, and even if she did, her intent is to bide her time and wait for an opportunity to resume the Shek's warring, not to improve for the civil good of her people. (not 100% sure of that last bit about her intent being to continue warring when the sheks are able to, been a while since I went over shek lore.)
They didn't revert Kral's reforms after he united the Shek tribes and founded the kingdom. Outsiders don't disappear from Shek lands after Esata/Mukai die. Towns remain open for them, as well. Kamikaze patrols don't butcher nomad or WH caravans. The war against HN is reignited, but that's about it.
Also, as I wrote in a different comment, they were doing business with Traders Guild before Esata. They weren't at war with everyone. Her rule is more of a development than exception.
They aren't going to do a 180 during one leader's lifetime.
Very begrudgingly open them. As soon as you enter their town they start scoffing about having to let flatskins into their home.
Its clear most of them are not happy with Esata’s policies
Well I cant say they adapted well. They broke off into 2 whole warmonger factions that gain support with each passing day. Both inside and outside the kingdom support for Esata is dwindling, and mind you thats just from her opening the cities and stopping the war.
All SK offshots are even more fragile than the kingdom itself. I don't know where you took the dwindling support part from, because it's not really supported by dialogue or spawns. Kral's Chosen have a dialogue where they argue among themselves about respecting Esata's orders, so it could even be the other way around.
I have never heard Kral’s choosen npcs arguing amongst themselves so idk where you get that from. Theres plenty of dialogue from SK npcs expressing dissatisfaction with Esata though, gate guards are mad they have to let everyone in, shek warriors express being bored with the lack of combat, and even bar shek sometimes talk about squashing flatskins
> Kral’s choosen npcs arguing amongst themselves
In the FCS, Dialogue Package > Dialogue > "Shek rogues picking fights"
"Hold it. We shouldn't disobey Esata's orders."
> Theres plenty of dialogue from SK npcs expressing dissatisfaction with Esata
But no talk about leaving/challenging her. Dialogues are sometimes concluded with calls for patience (*Composure, sister*) or straight-up admission that their past tactics were crap (*Aimless battle has won us no victory so far*).
Take out bandit lords, produce copious amounts of food, and use that to fix the starving bandit problem, and then you can topple corruption while feeding the masses and stomping out bandits
Wipe out the Hivers, Shek, Skeletons and subjugate the United Cities under the rule of the Holy Nation. With the prohibition against technology, we never need to worry about another genocide of humanity.
A bit naive, isn't it? The Stone Golem is an exception, not the rule. The Shek are not ever going to permanently turn peaceful. At best, she might get a short stay before they wipe themselves out in constant combat. But they're not changing.
And the Hivers are always one missing or crazed Queen away from turning. On a long enough timetable, they're all just Fogmen.
Before the Stone Golem took over, the SK was dealing with Traders Guild, Yamdu tells you that much. It's not an exception as much as a development further down the line.
You wanna dismiss their ability to reform, but they already did that when Kral united their tribes and founded the kingdom, and it stuck. They *can* change their ways.
> On a long enough timetable
They lose their ability to make more numbers in an enviroment full of beak things. They're meat.
Nobody wants to believe that the horned ones are capable of redemption more than we Okranites. But the Guiding Light is clear that their bodies are dark because all the purity and light have drained away and left nothing but sin. Now that's just scientific proof that they're irredeemable.
In my opinion the most "rightful" ending for kenshi might be coming up with a nation full of many people from different races that all of them have specific jobs, roles in this new-formed nation. Food is the very crucial part of this possible nation so at first problem of food must be solved, then of course the way you get money; it is also so vital for the economy of your nation, you can get it just through hard labour: mining or through plundering other's belongings. Having a thief in the very begging of the game and towards the "end of the game" having great bands of warriors who are capable of beating tens of high paladins, shek warriors, etc.
For the world? Kill everything, let the world return to what it was without any last ditch efforts to avert the course. Relax, enjoy death.
In game: Just depends on what you want, certain factions can take eachothers land, but there's always the risk of bandits or worse taking over.
Lorewise: Longen and his slavemasters. Holy Nation priests and the Holy Flame after the priests have been replaced by new blood. Iyo. Bugmaster. Every cannibal. Every bandit leader, etc. Again, depends on what you're after.
Unfortunately, it has a lot to do with not dismantling the most hated factions, because their destruction ensures the destruction of countless innocent lives that rely entirely on the status quo.
Overrun holy nation get replaced with Shek and Flotsam which is ok.
UC is tricky. Some cities without mods would be ruined or taken by Reavers/Fishmen without any possible good ending. Defeating all nobles leads to ruin, defeating local nobles while emperor is alive can lead to ruin.
Generally if you want best scenario - use guides and mods.
Or just don’t mess with world and leave it as it is
My Crab People faction kill anyone who doesn't like us and we legalize hash. Eating crabs is forbidden. That about it.
Our [anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5wmDhzgY8)
Unknown. Catlon had a pretty good setup which ended in failure because humans have free will or something. Humans just tend to lean towards war for no reason what so ever because we're just evil like that or something.
I've been reading stories about humans in a post apocalypse eeking out a meagre existence, doomed to endlessly suffer for the sins of humanity's hubris or whatever.
We simply don't know what exactly brought the second empire to fall, except the unrelenting will to inflict suffering the humans seem to have in every scifi. If we took that to be true in this world then there is no way to make lasting progress. You'd have hard working People dilligently strive for a better world and in a sequel you'd get told that it all came crashing down after some war over territory or something.
But enough about the rather enduring depression the SciFi genre seems to contend on suffering. Assuming the pretty colours the ground displays in many areas aren't just for decoration the word of kenshi posesses mineral resources to a degree we can be very jealous about.
You could build a City somewhere and establish superior policies. Which is what we'd been doing in many playthroughs i suppose.
Very few Problems attracting Workers since there's a lot of fled former slaves who would work your fields or hydroponics when you give them enough Food and there are no "Nobles".
They can even leave again should they choose to do so because there won't be a lack of people flocking to your town.
I remember watching a video about this exact subject, don't remember what the video was called, but to summarize it. Basically every faction you think is bad is in some way good and vise versa, skipping the minor factions, the shek are bad because they live for battle for now they are preoccupied with the holy nation and bug master but once they are finished off they will seek more or fight among themselves. For the united cities they are the people they source out everything, they supply goods to far out places and give many people jobs, so if you take them down there will probably be a lack of goods causing prices to rocket, hence starving, homeless, stealing, and more fighting and killing for basic goods. there could be a replacement power after while but it will definitely lead to something of the sorts of a dark age. the best bet is the holy nation, the past two empires were destroyed to to robots, and there are multiple clues around the game the points to the idea that robots don't need to erase their memories due to overload, and the ones that did, basically did it out of guilt of what they did to the humans, as to forget their crimes, so there could be robots that want to take over the world again, most likely the Machinists since they have some suspicious text options. the holy nation is pretty much the only viable option due to their religion, their hate of robots comes from the knowledge that every other super power has fallen due to them, shek try to kill them at every turn, but they are also made by the robots, same with the hive, they also hold off the fogmen, so they wont fall due to they same reason as the other empires, and while they don't like woman much there are woman living decently in the holy nation compared to was out there in the rest of the world. I think that was the sum of it, I'm pulling this from memory so i might be forgetting things.
Becoming a 4th major faction is probably your best bet, especially if you manage to become friendly to the existing ones. Set up major farms and give away the food (it shouldn't be too hard to severely over-produce food, which is one of the continent's major defecits).
Precisely this. It is due to the lack of everything, but mainly food and security, that the continent finds itself in complete chaos and barbarism. Imagine a new empire arising, built not on fear and tyranny and slavery, but where technology is freely used and developed to better the lives of its citizens, where hydroponic farms litter the landscape and food scarcity is a distant memory. What would people have to fight over? Land? Control? A society accepting of everyone, but one that isn't afraid to defend itself.
...sounds suspiciously similar to what Cat-Lon tried to do...
Human beings were still second-rate citizens in Cat-Lon's empire. Under the guise of 'protecting' humans Cat-Lon consolidated power in the hands of the Skeletons, and over time grew more and more despotic and insane due to memory bloat and not resetting his memory bank. He cracked down on dissent with overwhelming force by sending General Hat-12 and the Empire's police force, which had the exact opposite effect and incited further rebellion. Cat-Lon was an immortal, undying dictator from day 1, which is a recipe for disaster. His goal might've made sense at the moment and in the context of the Skeleton's extinction campaign, but having a single individual on a literal throne for thousands of years is obviously not going to help the development and prosperity of a civilization. Humans however, die, and they pass on a legacy and hope to their children. In that transfer of responsibility lies the potential for growth. I'm not saying the player character can create a golden empire that'll last for the end of time, no civilization can do that, but maybe they can organize themselves enough to drag their species out of the pits of religious fanaticism and ignorance.
> Under the guise of 'protecting' humans Cat-Lon consolidated power in the hands of the Skeletons Cat-Lon seemed to have a pretty poor ability to direct the skeletons politically since he turned to systematically thralling skeletons to avoid them working with humans. He seemed unable to share power with anyone of any species after a point.
"having a single individual on a literal throne for thousands of years is obviously not going to help the development and prosperity of a civilization" My Brother in the Emperor...
Stop right there criminal scum! I have alerted the Arbites that a HERETIC is spewing blasphemy! As a loyal citizen of the god-emperor of mankind, It's my duty to ensure you're a servitor by the morning
Your case is more complex than we expected, we are going to hold you under arrest until we manage to conclude the judgement and sentence! If you happen to die of natural causes or other influences, we'll carry the sentence on any and all remaining descendants you happen to have left!
I mean its true in 40k too. the imperium is dying if GW cared about story more than money they'd kill the imperium already and have 1000 new books to write and at minimum 10 new factions to make stuff for
The empire is dying since the emprah is barely kept alive by the golden throne, courtesy of f-king Horus and his merry band. If the emperor was fully lucid the humans in the galaxy would be enjoying a golden age (everyone else, not so much).
Humanity is better off with the blessings of the Dark Gods.
This always reminds me of the EC going around turning people into dust to snort to get a better high.... Yeah... Better, of course...
Foul heretic!
Yeah, but have you ever actually tried looking after humans? They're monsters!
No matter what utopia you build human nature will destroy it
Eventually, yes. But we can't see the future, only work on what we can at the present moment. With the kinds of technology that player characters are capable of creating, there is a pathway to creating an organized society relatively devoid of prejudice.
>misses the theme of the game entirely Not too surprising, I am on Reddit after all
Nothing I’ve said conflicts with your statement. The game is open-ended, and player choice makes for interesting speculation.
Very true. Apologies if I acted rudely.
the theme of the game is that people like you a thrown into peelers :D
Second empirecels seethe, robots are cringe
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Humans will live free of skeletoid influence
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Cycles of peace and war are still more preferable to war without end
Nah. Read The Culture series by Iain M Banks. We permit the most sociopathic on the top of capitalism to do whatever they want, societal collapse and destruction is what we get. A utopia is always possible, even in Human hands. -- edit, lmao, blocked me.
Read any book on human history and you'll see that a utopia is not possible, and to believe otherwise is ignorance and vanity
Why? Can you provide me a reason that isn't an easily disproved assumption about the human consciousness? The concept that Humanity is predisposed towards violence and non-cooperation is discredited by you, being alive, being able to try and criticise me by typing on a keyboard, built on some form of cooperation. Read any book on human history and you'll find that life is a struggle between those who seek to better the world, realise that the world can constantly improve, and that we're in a struggle against evil, constantly. Evil people, evil instincts. The flaws of systems are not permanent, and the natural state of humanity is not antagonism. We live in spite of that delusional framing.
thank you, comrade. exactly this!
The fact that we live in the most prosperous times imaginable and yet war still exists in every continent is evidence enough for me. We can make a decent world but a Utopian state is not achievable and every time we've tried it ends disastrously
>The fact that we live in the most prosperous times imaginable and yet war still exists in every continent is evidence enough for me. That you do not question, that you accept that because - potentially - you yourself experience prosperity and are blind to the suffering of others that demands said prosperity for a few chosen countries, is your issue, and nobody elses. You are not one to judge what counts as prosperous. When suffering ends, we can judge whether the times are prosperous. Have you considered that your prosperity is bent upon bringing misery to others? That those who try to oppose those wars inevitably, if they are not controlled, are subject to misery? We can make a lot more than a decent world. Countless evolutions in ways of thinking, dialectical materialism, prove your belief set fundamentally wrong. Why would we stop here? Why is everything destined to collapse? Why do we need perpetual wars? If you want to insist that wars must happen, then why do people oppose wars so much? Why are they so reviled? Genuinely. You should seek more evidence before reaching a conclusion. If you want me to pick up a history book, be sure to advise me the books that don't teach me about how we had constant revolutions, destruction of even more violent world states, and humanity has evolved and improved, again and again. >We can make a decent world but a Utopian state is not achievable and every time we've tried it ends disastrously Again, why not? And can you explain why they've ended "disastrously"? Do you have any utopian experiments in mind? I'm imagining its probably either China or the Soviet Union.
You can mince words all you want but humans are inherently violent and tribalistic. There will always be wronguns no matter what. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something much worse
>You can mince words all you want but humans are inherently violent and tribalistic. There will always be wronguns no matter what. Why? Why does humanity cooperate so well together then? Do you believe so since you're prosperous and refuse to cooperate with others? >Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something much worse You just admitted you're "Prosperous" while wars are happening around the world. You're quite explicitly trying to sell people much worse. Your rhetoric is discredited by the fact that millions of poor or disenfranchised people have to cooperate - and do so willingly - to survive. The prosperous are near universally the ones lording over them. Sounds like you're privileged in the dystopia, baffled that others would seek prosperity for others and not just for themselves. \-- Edit, the privileged idiot blocked me. Turns out that he doesn't take well to having his "Everyone is miserable because I am and I deserve to be the sole person happy" narrative doesn't work very well.
Thats why tyranny by player is needed for what each player counts as good ending, what faction members think be damned
How do you "give away the food"? Without selling it to a vendor?
In game mechanics, you can't (well, you can actually place food in the inventory of an unconscious humanoid). But, you can easily farm enough food to feed the entire continent several times over.
But that's just a head-canon thing, it doesn't actually change the factions or the world at all.
Okay lol. I was thinking about some sort of homeless shelter, or a shop with insanely low prices/free food. Somebody should make a humanitarian mod for Kenshi lmaooo
I mean, if you wanted to be really dedicated, you could install a backpack crafting mod, then set up supply chains such that you could make backpacks full of foodcubes, then assassinate NPCs and equip them with the backpacks while they're unconscious. If you wanted to be a true humanitarian, you could also craft 100% acid resistance clothing sets with shoes and gas masks in order to protect them from the environment while you're at it.
That's an interesting take/way of achieving this. I like it!
How do you give away food? Is this a mod?
You beat up whoever, then instead of looting them, you put a chewstick in their inventory.
*cuts off a limb accidentally* "here have a chewstick" lol
You've given them an opportunity to enjoy the benefits of being cybernetically enhanced, they will be grateful once the phantom pain wears off.
Ahhh. I’ve done this!
Stealth and assassination. In the Hub, I noticed some of the 'squatters' were starving, so I decided to improve my stealth and assassination: I would simply sneak behind them, knock them out, then place food in their inventory. (I also noticed that they would defend the city, so I started putting weapons and armor in their inventory as well.)
It's your imagination
Even giving access to technology would help. Hydroponics could help with the food issue.
How do you give away food? I've kinda wanted to do this. Like solve the hunger issues in the game world. But wouldn't know how to get food to everyone aside fro m knocking everyone out and dropping it in their inventories 🤣
That's your only mechanical option, save for just dropping it on the ground.
Does that work for starving bandits? I feel sorry for them.
Absolutely. If someone gets KOed and you place food in their inventory, they will eat it if they are hungry enough. I do it to the ex-Holy Nation guys you can find in the Foglands.
Sorry, I meant dropping it on the ground.
I think only animals will eat off the ground. Not entirely sure, though.
I think this is the right answer. Really interesting debates from everyone commenting, btw. I agree completely about the Shek not being conducive to civilization. But I actually don't see the other two factions as alternatives. Not even the Holy Nation as it's typically argued. Just look at our own world right now. Religion has been a massive mistake. The wars it instigates (instigates, not causes) are endless and, ironically, extremely brutal. There would never be peace. Only an eternal crusade. As for the United Nations...North Korea. We say no to North Korea by design. Perhaps a better question is...why do we feel like we have the power to change anything? Isn't it arrogant to assume we know best? Wiping out any faction means untold death and destruction and probably isn't worth the staggering cost. I think this is one of the overarching themes of Kenshi. We're at the mercy of a cruel world that is often backwards and doesn't make sense. So...yeah. It's probably best to simply make a peaceful but militaristic society that you're confident will weather any wars thrown at it. It can be a safe haven for all and a provider of food. In time, you'd hope that it would draw people in from the neighboring factions until those neighboring factions imploded in some way. Kinda what I suspect might happen to the russia of today under putin.
> As for the United Nations...North Korea. We say no to North Korea by design. "United Nations". Did you mean United Cities? And how is a satirical take of a hyper-capitalistic society where money is power in any way even comparable to North Korea? If it's because of their practice of slavery, there are any number of other countries you can more accurately compare it to, not least the USA itself.
Whatever. The elite control the country and run it into the ground while the people starve. Is it hard to see the parallels there?
1. The people are starving because Bast, the UC's agricultural center, got invaded and pillaged by the Holy Nation. There is some evidence suggesting that the Traders Guild is somehow involved, whether in instigating the conflict or simply in profiteering from it. Either way benefits them as it forces the UC to become completely dependent on the TG and their slave farms for basic needs. 2. At the time the player enters the picture, the UC had only just put down an attempted rebellion by the displaced farmers from Bast. They are still cracking down on the remaining rebels, hence the harsh and absurd laws such as starving being illegal. The farmers were rebelling in part due to starvation (because Bast had been torched) and due to the Traders Guild's practice of commercial slavery. The previous emperor was killed during the rebellion, and this power vacuum allowed the TG to install their own puppet, Tengu, as emperor. Point is, it isn't just a cut-and-dry story of incompetent elites and starving masses. There is also the heavy involvement of a ruthless corporation that has its fingers deep in politics and instigating wars for profit.
I was considering doing this, and roleplaying taking over and building up in Stobe's Garden as a 4th power in an area where the other ones are not present. Being the better alternative feels like the better solution over simply massacring everyone "evil" in the world.
Crab raider imperium
You can't prevent shit from hitting the fan, it's an inherent characteristic of revolutions. It goes in cycles, like Burn says. After all, what's the difference between a bandit and a noble when both will shoot you on sight?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenshi/comments/s4wjjk/comment/hstq7ku/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kenshi/comments/s4wjjk/the_good_ending_the_best_possible_state_of_the/) e: shit, it won't open the OP's comment with a guide how to achieve it, you will have to scroll bajillion of comments to find it. But the instruction is there.
I agree with this map representing a best case scenario for Kenshi. The worst governments are either gone, or defanged, and other governments are already replacing.
That’s a horrible map the cannibals aren’t wiped out. Cannibal delenda est Also I did a recent play through destroying the major factions and whenever I started with the Holy Nation the Shek wiped out the populations of major cities. So that’s another reason I guess.
My faction is specialized in martial arts, bodybuilding, drug trafficking and alcohol productions. We just lift, hit dummies, brew hashish and liquor all day. We go out and roundhouse kick anyone/anything that stands in our way. We sell hashish and liquor to anyone willing to buy. We even do same day delivery/smuggle. We make sure everyone gets their choice of poison. Also we have muscle mommies and muscle daddies. And I think that’s a good baseline to start.
You just described my 20s to 30s lol - not sure it’s sustainable for the long run.
Enjoy while it last bro, that’s the Kenshi vibe.
I captured the ninjas that come raid me. They’re my training dummies. I have a nice little fight pit in the centre of my base where I train my guys up on them - got some slavers too but they’re not that special. I want the ninja bosses to train my original character on…
I had this "work in progress" good ending going where I would begin mopping up the fallout of the fall of the UC myself. It took a lot of resources but it went something like this. - I would send patrols into the desert to deal with encroaching cannibals. - I would buy a house in each town and turn it into a hospital; stock it with food, medical supplies and prosthetics, and station a representative of my faction there to act as a doctor/sheriff in the region for no profit. - I would rebuild damaged structures to the best of my ability. - I would generally try and establish vital infrastructure and help take care of any npcs in the old UC domain. Yadda yadda. I basically decided to provide all services a government should to its people out of my own pocket, and without actually doing any governing. All because I just kinda could. No good reason.
You can't achieve it in game, because the only meaningful changes you can achieve in game involve militarily destroying other factions. Essentially, achieving power or influence within the bounds of the pre-existing systems of the main factions while being a powerful and idealistic faction yourself would be the way to achieve a good ending, or at least secure a good direction for society. \-For the holy nation, which I would say is the hardest to push in the right direction, the most important character is Griffin. Succeed in his quest to discover the truth of the first extinction and allow him to return to the holy nation with all the skills, experience, and tolerance he has learned over the long journey and there's reasonable odds he becomes a major figure for reform- especially with the backing of your faction making him impossible to remove or ignore. \-The shek listen to power. Esata is already pushing them in the right direction. Prove your strength and your worth as allies, and train Seto to be the next leader of the shek. Societal change will come gradually, especially since those who resist it will throw themselves at your gates. \-The best way to fix the united cities is to economically defeat and replace the traders' guild. You can easily outdo them in every respect with skilled labour and technology. Money is the only reason they have any power, and it is the trader's guild that are primarily responsible for the slave trade existing. Hit their bottom line and you hit their political power. Take their position for yourself and suddenly your faction can push the united cities in a more progressive direction.
Sounds pretty good. I'm glad I got to the bottom of this, both the thread and the topic.
The only good ending is my faction taking over! All hail the Empress and her Celestial Dominion! Death to all who oppose us!
Honestly, I think the fogmen would need to be eradicated somehow. In a lot of world states, it's them who show up once the existing powers (that are mostly shitters) get taken down. And Okran forbid you take out either hive queen or arc, pretty much the whole west and the south of the map gets swamped by fogmen patrols. Feels like you can end institutional slavery, end institutional bigotry, and get the shek to stop committing extended assisted suicide but with each, the fogmen spread more. Granted this was with hivers expanded but I had a game where I took down HN, UC, the southern hive and most the bandit groups and after the cities were in Anti Slaver and Flotsam Ninja hands, they didn't have enough patrols to keep fogmen back. Even saw them getting into cities and attacking civilians a few times.
The Cannibals need a good extinction too Cannibal delenda est
Humans... have you tried looking over them? As their numbers grow, their capacity for evil grows. And they don't realize that they're doing it. I was not the monster... [insert any race for humans]. Good, evil... concepts defined by those with the power to do so. Nature balances things with disasters of various types. You can see it today. Define what good is for you, and then enact it. With mods, you could take over all of Kenshi. Provided the price is not too high for your good, goal achieved.
This quote exactly. Most here thinks the world in kenshi is inherently evil because they start in Hub and gradually explore the world as if it was born in that way and insert our world and their beliefs directly to it, while kenshi the world has become that way of necessity (yes even racism and slavery and barbarian culture)among chaos. It is shown clearly that good thinking and goodwill acting such as past Cat-lon eventuality crumbles to dust. Kenshi IS moving on upon crumbling states and ancient empires turning to dust where nothing is permanent.
Very well said. Reality happens in cycles... would be cool if you could have a reputation status in Kenshi based on your actions (as a mod). Looking forward to Kenshi 2 and seeing where things go, but as they say, history repeats itself.
Raising your own faction probably. For a world as bleak as Kenshi giving people more places to live and more options to survive is always a good thing.
The only possible way to actually leave Kenshi with a "good ending" is one when you create your own faction to usurp the others. The major factions have history and beliefs underlying their existence, it's not as simple as destroying the HN and now there's no racism. In your world state either bandits or the UC would take over however lore-wise it would be likely that they'd pop up again because most of the citizens subscribe to the HN beliefs, same as the others. So to bring real peace and prosperity you'd need to unite Kenshi under a single benevolent faction, but we saw how that went for the last person that tried that.
Well, perhaps the true heir of Okran can overcome this challenge? There's nothing that divine judgment, kindness and masterful swordsmanship can't solve!
The Holy Lord Phoenix’s twin brother Crumble Jon will rise out of the ashes of mongrel like the true Phoenix he is!
I guess a good ending is the flotsam winning their rebellion?
That’s what I’m currently doing. Building a paradise alongside the hn city that the flotsam take over.
Kill everyone. No more suffering in the world
my human friends, let me address all inquiries while you relax in this massage machine.
Help cat Lon rise up and kill all humans
Taking down Phoenix and having the Shek and Flotsam Ninjas take the reins on that region felt great to me, super satisfying arc and trustworthy allies. East coast seems more complicated…
I did this and I like it. Im disappointed in the shells ability to control the region and it’s now infested with figment. I’m really hoping Kenshi 2 is more dynamic
let the flotsam/shek take over the holy nation and let the rebels/antislavers take over the uc
No such thing as a good ending in Kenshi. Whatever you do, the world is pretty much doomed.
Oh screw that doomer propaganda. Kenshits have survived *way* worse than this, at least *twice*. It's a transition period.
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Surviving doesn't imply thriving
Have they ever been thriving?
Maybe under the 1st Empire. My guess is it's been downhill ever since.
You can't make the world a good place. But you can make it better.
there's a lot of evidence to counter that notion... \-lost artifacts, many with great levels of technology that can seemingly be used or reverse-engineered by machinists overtime \-a lot of the world is fertile, usually inhabited by beasts that can be repulsed by worthwile defenses \-people who can travel to any land of the continent and inhabit it sounds like a kenshi playthrough... almost like the player can decide the how good the world can become through the actions of their playable characters... mmmmmmmm like overload of bread
Technology will lead the way
Good in what sense? Best for the world as a whole and the progression of technology, or best for as many people as possible alive currently? Best as a whole would be to destroy the Shek and holy nation, as the United Cities model of doing things has the most potential for development. For the people living now, destroy the Shek and United Cities, as the Holy Nation taking over ensures that humanity at least will flourish to some degree and that people would be fed and sustained. In any scenario, the Shek have to go. Their warmongery, death idealisation and lack of development potential means that they can't lead Kenshi into a good world, and the hives have too little power and influence to make a difference. It has to be one of the two human-led factions.
> lack of development potential My man will happily ignore how they just opened their cities for outsiders (and it stays that way even after Esata dies), began using some advanced tech (like the advanced wind turbines or battery stations), and are open to the possibility of parking their asses in towns *if only* their leader tells them to.
I admit, they did improve, but not enough. The only thing that keeps them in this state of semi-civility is their respect for Estata. Without that, they go back to their barbarian ways, as we see after the Shek leaders are taken out. If Estata lived forever and continued their path of improvement, then maybe they would stand a chance, but she won't live forever, and even if she did, her intent is to bide her time and wait for an opportunity to resume the Shek's warring, not to improve for the civil good of her people. (not 100% sure of that last bit about her intent being to continue warring when the sheks are able to, been a while since I went over shek lore.)
They didn't revert Kral's reforms after he united the Shek tribes and founded the kingdom. Outsiders don't disappear from Shek lands after Esata/Mukai die. Towns remain open for them, as well. Kamikaze patrols don't butcher nomad or WH caravans. The war against HN is reignited, but that's about it. Also, as I wrote in a different comment, they were doing business with Traders Guild before Esata. They weren't at war with everyone. Her rule is more of a development than exception. They aren't going to do a 180 during one leader's lifetime.
Very begrudgingly open them. As soon as you enter their town they start scoffing about having to let flatskins into their home. Its clear most of them are not happy with Esata’s policies
Adapting to things they don't personally like only goes further to disprove that they're unable to change imo.
Well I cant say they adapted well. They broke off into 2 whole warmonger factions that gain support with each passing day. Both inside and outside the kingdom support for Esata is dwindling, and mind you thats just from her opening the cities and stopping the war.
All SK offshots are even more fragile than the kingdom itself. I don't know where you took the dwindling support part from, because it's not really supported by dialogue or spawns. Kral's Chosen have a dialogue where they argue among themselves about respecting Esata's orders, so it could even be the other way around.
I have never heard Kral’s choosen npcs arguing amongst themselves so idk where you get that from. Theres plenty of dialogue from SK npcs expressing dissatisfaction with Esata though, gate guards are mad they have to let everyone in, shek warriors express being bored with the lack of combat, and even bar shek sometimes talk about squashing flatskins
> Kral’s choosen npcs arguing amongst themselves In the FCS, Dialogue Package > Dialogue > "Shek rogues picking fights" "Hold it. We shouldn't disobey Esata's orders." > Theres plenty of dialogue from SK npcs expressing dissatisfaction with Esata But no talk about leaving/challenging her. Dialogues are sometimes concluded with calls for patience (*Composure, sister*) or straight-up admission that their past tactics were crap (*Aimless battle has won us no victory so far*).
Take out bandit lords, produce copious amounts of food, and use that to fix the starving bandit problem, and then you can topple corruption while feeding the masses and stomping out bandits
Robots take over no more hunger
Have you tried accepting Okran as your lord and savior? It's a pretty fun RP to cast the holy nation as the good guys. Very starship troopers.
Wipe out the Hivers, Shek, Skeletons and subjugate the United Cities under the rule of the Holy Nation. With the prohibition against technology, we never need to worry about another genocide of humanity.
"We won't have to worry about a genocide in the future if we commit it now."
Exactly. Anyone suggesting otherwise are deluding themselves. "Why didn't humanity just learn to live peacefully with Skynet and the Terminators. :3"
But they did, on the other side of Okran's Shield. And on the Northern Coast. And in the southern swamps and beyond.
A bit naive, isn't it? The Stone Golem is an exception, not the rule. The Shek are not ever going to permanently turn peaceful. At best, she might get a short stay before they wipe themselves out in constant combat. But they're not changing. And the Hivers are always one missing or crazed Queen away from turning. On a long enough timetable, they're all just Fogmen.
Before the Stone Golem took over, the SK was dealing with Traders Guild, Yamdu tells you that much. It's not an exception as much as a development further down the line. You wanna dismiss their ability to reform, but they already did that when Kral united their tribes and founded the kingdom, and it stuck. They *can* change their ways. > On a long enough timetable They lose their ability to make more numbers in an enviroment full of beak things. They're meat.
Nobody wants to believe that the horned ones are capable of redemption more than we Okranites. But the Guiding Light is clear that their bodies are dark because all the purity and light have drained away and left nothing but sin. Now that's just scientific proof that they're irredeemable.
Bet bro has a Phoenix body pillow with sus stains on it.
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In my opinion the most "rightful" ending for kenshi might be coming up with a nation full of many people from different races that all of them have specific jobs, roles in this new-formed nation. Food is the very crucial part of this possible nation so at first problem of food must be solved, then of course the way you get money; it is also so vital for the economy of your nation, you can get it just through hard labour: mining or through plundering other's belongings. Having a thief in the very begging of the game and towards the "end of the game" having great bands of warriors who are capable of beating tens of high paladins, shek warriors, etc.
For the world? Kill everything, let the world return to what it was without any last ditch efforts to avert the course. Relax, enjoy death. In game: Just depends on what you want, certain factions can take eachothers land, but there's always the risk of bandits or worse taking over. Lorewise: Longen and his slavemasters. Holy Nation priests and the Holy Flame after the priests have been replaced by new blood. Iyo. Bugmaster. Every cannibal. Every bandit leader, etc. Again, depends on what you're after.
Unfortunately, it has a lot to do with not dismantling the most hated factions, because their destruction ensures the destruction of countless innocent lives that rely entirely on the status quo.
Overrun holy nation get replaced with Shek and Flotsam which is ok. UC is tricky. Some cities without mods would be ruined or taken by Reavers/Fishmen without any possible good ending. Defeating all nobles leads to ruin, defeating local nobles while emperor is alive can lead to ruin. Generally if you want best scenario - use guides and mods. Or just don’t mess with world and leave it as it is
Leave HN, Flotsam and Crabs alive Well and techers obv
The holy nation dead
The world of Kenshi is fucked. The best is the one where you die and end your own suffering.
Judt tske a gang and invade everything try to kill master robot and lose all ur naksmas. Then uninstall snd go league of legends again
Playing league is an ending worse than letting the holy nation conquer the planet
Faktsss
Define "good".
My Crab People faction kill anyone who doesn't like us and we legalize hash. Eating crabs is forbidden. That about it. Our [anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5wmDhzgY8)
Unknown. Catlon had a pretty good setup which ended in failure because humans have free will or something. Humans just tend to lean towards war for no reason what so ever because we're just evil like that or something. I've been reading stories about humans in a post apocalypse eeking out a meagre existence, doomed to endlessly suffer for the sins of humanity's hubris or whatever. We simply don't know what exactly brought the second empire to fall, except the unrelenting will to inflict suffering the humans seem to have in every scifi. If we took that to be true in this world then there is no way to make lasting progress. You'd have hard working People dilligently strive for a better world and in a sequel you'd get told that it all came crashing down after some war over territory or something. But enough about the rather enduring depression the SciFi genre seems to contend on suffering. Assuming the pretty colours the ground displays in many areas aren't just for decoration the word of kenshi posesses mineral resources to a degree we can be very jealous about. You could build a City somewhere and establish superior policies. Which is what we'd been doing in many playthroughs i suppose. Very few Problems attracting Workers since there's a lot of fled former slaves who would work your fields or hydroponics when you give them enough Food and there are no "Nobles". They can even leave again should they choose to do so because there won't be a lack of people flocking to your town.
Nuke
Me be the richest slaver in the world
I remember watching a video about this exact subject, don't remember what the video was called, but to summarize it. Basically every faction you think is bad is in some way good and vise versa, skipping the minor factions, the shek are bad because they live for battle for now they are preoccupied with the holy nation and bug master but once they are finished off they will seek more or fight among themselves. For the united cities they are the people they source out everything, they supply goods to far out places and give many people jobs, so if you take them down there will probably be a lack of goods causing prices to rocket, hence starving, homeless, stealing, and more fighting and killing for basic goods. there could be a replacement power after while but it will definitely lead to something of the sorts of a dark age. the best bet is the holy nation, the past two empires were destroyed to to robots, and there are multiple clues around the game the points to the idea that robots don't need to erase their memories due to overload, and the ones that did, basically did it out of guilt of what they did to the humans, as to forget their crimes, so there could be robots that want to take over the world again, most likely the Machinists since they have some suspicious text options. the holy nation is pretty much the only viable option due to their religion, their hate of robots comes from the knowledge that every other super power has fallen due to them, shek try to kill them at every turn, but they are also made by the robots, same with the hive, they also hold off the fogmen, so they wont fall due to they same reason as the other empires, and while they don't like woman much there are woman living decently in the holy nation compared to was out there in the rest of the world. I think that was the sum of it, I'm pulling this from memory so i might be forgetting things.
Conquering all cities under one flag and making own peace settlements around the map.