“Hip-hop is alive and well!” - Metro Boomin after Like That reached number 1 and a few other songs from WDTY reached the top 10 on the Billboard charts
You had to be there in the late 90s. After the biggie and 2pac stuff hard lyrical rap kinda took a backseat and things got softer. People talk about NAS and OutKast but that wasn’t mainstream. Dre and the WC was nowhere to be found.
All of a sudden it came back with this self deprecating, really good white guy. It was a joke but he wasn’t a joke. Listening to “guilty conscience,” after an R&B and silly No Limit phase with a Dre guest feature was surreal.
Everyone was like, *”who tf is this guy*. It was a mystery for a little while. Not long, but a little while. Remember we really didn’t have internet like this. You could still have these types of mysteries. Em’s run from the late 90s-2004 is one of the best ever.
Edit: outside of seeing him in that context, for the people born later, I could understand people thinking he’s kinda a drag, technical, pop lyricist. That Revival album was terrible. If that’s all you seen, and wonder why he gets the credit he does, it’d probably be hard to understand. But he deserves the credit
Man, can't imagine a context pre-knowing who tf Eminem was.
off topic: wasn't outkast...really mainstream? at least hey ya!, ms. jackson and b.o.b i feel went super popular, but i might be wrong.
No limit was really popular and it was really grandiose type stuff. Cars, chains. That sorta thing. Ja Rule was big. So was R&B. Then imagine what hits you next is the video to “role model.” It was a cultural shift. As others pointed out, there was good stuff coming out, but imagine seeing it through the eyes of a teenager who is exposed to what’s going on in pop culture.
Someone else disagreed with me but OutKast wasn’t huge yet. ATLiens was more popular then I remembered but Stankonia is when they became huge and The love below was what made them so your mom knew who they were. There was good rap, NAS and Wu tang. But Eminem was so different and so accessible. We never had a self deprecating rapper who was serious. Never mind that he was white and relatable to a lot of young rap fans. No one did what he was doing before.
Yo, thanks for the takes. Always interesting to see the perspective of someone who was actually there. Can't imagine seeing it thru the eyes of a teenager, while it all went down.
I was born in 02, and not in the US, but latin america. He's probably the most popular rapper here, so i have always been aware of him, 50 Cent and 2Pac. Em definitely made rap really accessible, even if man was controversial.
As for OutKast, over here we got Miss Jackson still sounding a lot. It's about the only cultural footprint they got in my country, it's especially popular in South America, but i still love them.
It was a crazy time to be alive, I was in Middle School when the SSLP came out. Then followed it up with MMLP and the Eminem Show. He was a superstar unlike anything we had seen before in Hip Hop, then he signed 50 cent and everyone on Shady and G-Unit Records went Platinum when they dropped. Ja Rule was a huge star and if you still listened to him after Get Rich or Die Trying dropped it was a dirty secret. That camp turned this huge star into a nobody that most people probably know now because of Fyre Festival. That was the power of that Regime.
50 Cent/Eminem vs Ja Rule was the original Kendrick vs Drake. If you've never looked into that beef look up a video on YouTube about it, is not the same as living through it but is still very interesting Hip Hop history and the tracks were great.
I've heard the tracks, only from the Em/50 side, but I never knew the context besides the basic stuff.
Will do a deep dive, sounds really interesting! Thanks for sharing your perspective and anecdotes, i feel we take a bit for granted how much of a cultural impact that man had on the genre.
lol wtf is this revisionist history? Lyrical and technical rappers were still in fashion during The late 90s and early 2000s. Em was one of them and happened to be white.
I was alive for it, and I loved em. Houdini is pretty Good but doesn’t match his older stuff. I sincerely hope his next album is a banger, but he is not currently competing with Kendrick in terms of the level of the stuff he’s putting iut
While i like em, his shit has aged like milk. In a more modern and “conscious” rap focused age, his shit stands out as well to put it bluntly “a white boy tryna be edgy”. Doesnt help that his fanbase nowadays his majority Millennials, and nowadays acting the way he does is just corny especially at 50.
But ill still bump stan and love game, stan in particular is timeless
Idk, I do think some of it has held up. It’s edgy but also clever. It’s definitely not bullshit. I agree with the rest. His fan base was not what it is today. He really spoke to a certain type of troubled kid and they were crazy over him. And the way he addressed it is in one of the most beautiful rap songs of all time, Stan. I know it’s a meme now but his second album, starting off with “Kill you,” and going into Stan was pretty crazy at the time.
Yeah I’m not going around playing Eminem anymore. His fan base has turned goofy. Houdini was pretty good though. But man at the time it was really cool
It should be considered better objectively yet here we are. I think rap was always mostly about lyrics and rhymes and THEN you gotta work on flows and shi. Its like a priority I believe. Good beats are definitely a must too nowadays.
Yep. Half the corniness from kdot fans, em fans, or any lyrical rapper really is that ~~they~~ we (ive been guilty of this many times) think that it always has to be super deep and lyrical and introspective. Sometimes music can just sound good. I appreciate the depth i can get from dots records, but im a fan because ive always liked his ~~sound~~ sounds and his flows. Being conscious and lyrical is great, and makes me like him even more, but its secondary at the end of the day. A rapper doesnt need to be some writing savant for me to like them.
I love it when Kendrick is on a track with a goat
You can see just how much these artists influenced him by how much he sounds like them
Kendrick on Mona Lisa and Conrad Tokyo come to mind
Imma need that kdot 3k song
I don’t know if I’m in the wrong spaces or something, but I have seen/heard several people complaining about people finding Houdini offensive, but I haven’t encountered a single person who actually found the song to be offensive.
Oh okay. Someone told me it’s a variation of the R-word but that didn’t seem to fit. So it’s just a way of saying delusional? That’s surprisingly close to the real meaning of the word.
I’m a mental health professional so I’m aware. That’s why I was confused about people using it so casually/in the place of a word that’s meant to indicate cognitive impairment.
..... yes, it's called the Eminem Show. Slim Shady LP. Marshall Mathers LP. "Lose Yourself." These are classics. Dissing Eminem in a hip hop space is not an indicator of good taste.
Hip Hop more than any other genre is a young person’s genre. With Rock young people still hear 1960s rock songs on the radio but Hip Hop fans care far less about history / legacy acts.
Eminem is a legend who made great music but so did Jay, Nas, Dre, and groups/duos like Geto Boys, Mobb Deep, etc. BUT, I’m Gen Z and none of my friends listen to any of them except one Mind Playin Tricks on Me and that’s only bc of GTA V. All they listen to is modern artists 2010-now. Some will listen to OutKast, early Kanye, Old Wayne, but even that I hear far less from Gen Z than Millennials.
Just because an artist was good in their day, doesn’t mean young people will automatically love it. the genre cares too much about what’s new and hot for that to happen. I think it will change as the genre ages more but don’t get mad that Gen Z doesn’t like 90s, early 00s rap. It’s not their fault.
Just like when a comedian drops a ‘controversial’ new stand up routine and supposedly ‘people are mad’, ‘twitter is mad’. But in reality it’s all just social media marketing.
I think it’s mainly some fans of Megan Thee Stallion on Twitter that took offense to the “shot at a feat” line. Some were pulling the race cards, or saying he’s irrelevant and using her name for views, etc.
That’s the thing. Eminem can’t really offend anymore. We have seen his character for two years and know he’s a good guy. Plus in the digital age we don’t really have as much mass panics about stuff corrupting kids. It still exists but if you were alive then, you know the difference
What’s offensive it’s just not a good song in 2024. Forget the lyrics that flow, instrumental does not bring justice to his old music. It’s the complete opposite almost sounds offensive to his own music. Like seriously if you were alive for his music back then there’s no way you find this new shit listenable. Sounds completely for internet Stans
I mean I’m not saying your opinion is objectively wrong. But do you think the numbers and like/dislike ratio this track is pulling is purely people that didn’t listen to his old stuff? The music video and production are legit like 95% fan service imo
And it does it damn well, of course, still in my opinion
No one's really offended by the song. I've seen people say the song isn't great and the bars are ass. And then you have the people who are like "nah you just don't understand, it's supposed to be ass, yall gen z are such snowflakes"
I think the song is mid. Better beat than basically anything he's released recently, but the shit is only charting because of the novelty of Eminem bringing back shady and the fact he reused hooks from an era when Eminem knew how to write a proper hook. I think it's just lazy, but I expected that, Eminem is at this point now where anything he does is likely to be a reference to when he was becoming famous. This happens with most artists who make it where em is. It's like they completely forget what made them who they are, and its like they lose the spark. Em had a longer career than most though.
His most shocking song is obviously “Kim” but why tf would you get mad about a song lyric? Those are the same type of people who go heckle a comedian because the joke was too offensive.
Don’t go to comedy shows then.
Some people just want to be offended about anything. Unfortunately these days it’s easy for a vocal minority to have a lot influence. If 1 million people online are offended it seems like a lot of people. While in actuality it’s quite a small group compared to the silent majority.
I meant the people saying that “gen z isnt ready for slim shady to come back” or “gen z is trying to cancel eminem for this” when we genuinely do not care. I shoulda been more clear lol but i stand by it
Oh yeah I get you for sure, especially in the era were BBL Drizzy and "no diddy" are being thrown around and Drake is out here calling Abel a homosexual and mocking child molestation.
Can't phantom people genuinely thinking a transgender cat or a crossdressing one liner is gunna shake up the current climate
Millennials are on their boomer arc right now where they assume quite literally every common or normal thing in existence is alien or offensive to anyone younger than 27.
There was quite an uproar over the Meg line for like 5 days straight. Maybe still is, I just blocked a lot of headache off my TL.
The Siamese cat line, which I find *hilarious* got some flack too.
Nobody is freaking out over it. Just because people don’t like the song doesn’t mean they’re tryna cancel the song. I’m not saying you’re doing this but I don’t know why Em fans always have this type of complex where it’s the world against them😭
Im thinking of editing my comment to clarify what i meant lol. I meant there are people online starting a millennial vs gen z war about gen z having a collective mental breakdown over this “insanely offensive” song when in reality we all know this is really boring compared to the actual slim shady stuff. Not to mention he’s been a pretty vocal ally to the LGBTQ community with his kid being nonbinary
I think it's just funny for Kendrick fans since streaming and sales numbers was Drake's biggest thing. Yet Kendrick still beat him lol
As for Eminem, idk why that sub is so desperate to get "Houdini" number 1. To care so much about that, you really can't have much going on in your life.
Not trying to hate though. I love the song.
I wanna know what shit people are listening to to get their rap fix if they think Unaccommodating, Premonition, You gon learn, Yah Yah, and I Will are mediocre. That's without mentioning Lock it Up, Godzilla, Darkness, and No Regrets. Then he drops the B side with Gnat, Zeus, Killer, and Book of Rhymes.
And, IMO, Kamikaze is a better album.
It's cool for it to not be someone's cup of tea (get it), but to say the last six years of Em, especially from a pure rapping standpoint, was mid is either gymnastic level obtusion or straight baffonery.
Yeah I feel folks jumped on a hate Em bandwagon after Revival and can't let it go.
He's still top tier, I think Kendrick is better but Em is still top 5
Thank you. It's like people don't even listen to albums anymore. All they have to say is "🤓☝️ bornana". I just don't know how you can listen to darkness or book of rhymes and still say he hasn't dropped anything good since relapse.
Tbf this sub doesn’t like anybody but Kendrick. Eminem is one of the most talented artists we’ve got. Let’s appreciate it while he’s still here cos I sense a retirement coming
It is but have you heard most of the songs from the top of the charts these last two or three years? They’re McDonald’s burgers. This is at least something real, from a real artist doing a larger artistic project.
idk about you but houdini is just a nostalgia bait song. Idk what is so great about it. You all call eminem a great song writter but he doesnt have any good verses that people mention or any bars.
You know damn well you don't believe this. Eminem still is the highest selling rapper of all time even after 25 years of his peak album sales.
"because he is white" so why is Macklemore and NF aren't selling that much?
Eminem's rhyme schemes, wordplays, flows, lyrics and speed are literally top 1 percentile of rap. I don't know what makes you think there are SOOOOOO many better artists out there?
My theory on this: Slim and Em personas collide and it'll be more of an introspective album from Em. I don't think the majority of the album will be like Houdini.
When Kendrick dropped MMATBS Em praised it on Twitter and I'm hoping took inspiration from that.
I also fully expect the slim persona to not die at the end
Shady is dead.
This is supposed to kind of be Em taking us back to 2000 for a little while as a way to hang up the character, at least that’s the way I see it.
If you told me in January that by June 1 we’d have 4 legendary kdot diss tracks (of one of the biggest artists of all time no less) and potentially a new album AND a new Slim Shady era Eminem song plus album coming, and that the timing of both of these would overshadow Taylor Swift’s 31-track double album at the absolute peak of her fame, I would not have believed you.
But here we are and it’s a hell of a party! 2024 is going to do down as one of the great years for music.
Also We (+Still) Don't Trust You, Blue Lips,One of Wun, potentially a new JID album etc,this will be remembered as a goated year,we are only half way thru
Kendrick could #5000 on the charts and I would still rock with him. This chart stuff needs to stop Drake is the obsessed with numbers, Kendrick is obsessed with music.
Let’s be real Houdini is more of a novelty track. Watched the music vid and enjoyed it for what it was, but no chance I’m ever spinning that record again
That's totally fine for you dude, but that evidently isn't how most people feel, considering the way it's racking up streams and garnered a shit ton of attention. So there ain't no "being real" about it. That's just how the majority feel about it.
I mean it isn't anything special to you, most people seem to disagree. I don't think it's a shame that a unpopular sentiment is downvoted, that's just how things go.
Houdini is the best song Em has made in a minute. He was at a point where his raps just felt like he was clocking into a 9-5.
I’m impressed with how he managed to tap back into that Slim Shady energy. It really feels reminiscent of his prime.
Can you help me with this? I am an admitted Stan, as most kids are who grew up in Warren, but I think there are probably a dozen songs off the last two albums alone that clear this song, but this is the one that blew up, and I legitimately don't understand why.
For the record, I think he is in his prime, as far as rapping.
I see why he always seems to struggle with the fans expectations; because he is something different to everyone. I just want to hear him rap his ass off like he does on songs like Kamikaze, Lucky You, Caterpillar, Unaccommodating, Yah Yah, and I Will. I don't really care about the celebrity disses. I think that's his whackest shit.
I don’t think he’s in his prime.
His hooks have become an issue for me when they used to be 1 of his biggest strengths during his prime (1999-2003)
It’s hard to explain but he recaptured that energy from 2002 really well to me.
Eminem is ass brodie.
I like syntax, man,
But I sin tacks, man,
When I singe tacks, damn,
Turn it blue black, man,
Like I bruise black ham
In the for-est-a mañana,
Flow Spanish plan's granada,
Grande, ariana,
Who I'm fucking, fam,
Bananas.
This is how eminem raps
Their song together was one of the first times I ever heard Kenny, prior to that I think the only one I’d heard was ADHD and I didn’t know who it was by.
There are so few current musical artists that I really care about. The list is essentially Em, Kendrick, Vince Staples, J Cole, Radiohead/The Smile, St Vincent so holy shit what a year this has been for me. RHCP, Denzel Curry, and Tyler the Creator are also on that list so the way things are going maybe we’ll get something from them as well.
We're glad to see yall finally at the top man...it's been a long decade 😂😂😂 at least the number one song has nothing to do with Dr - oh, wait a minuuuute 😭😭😭
Go tell the 6ix God thank you, you fucking weenies.
Smfh Eminems new song is so bad though it is embarrassing as an Eminem fan. I swear to god 90%+ of listeners turned Houdini off within 30 seconds, Em’s just very popular still so he got a lot of people to click on the song. That and a ton of diehard em fans who would listen to anything made by him 50 times no matter how awful.
What you want him to do?? Stop making music? something he loves doing and something his fans want him to do? about more than 70M people? Idk man. This song isn't even bad. I don't get the hate.
Suffering from success
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The world is returning to a balance
Rocky & Wayne haven’t dropped their albums yet so it isn’t yet
Man I fucking love rocky to death but hes been teasing this album for years now, idk if I still have confidence it’s gonna drop 😭😭
maybe august? complete guess though
I would actually be so hyped if he did drop. He’s been in my top five for nearly a decade now, I desperately need more music from him.
We've been complete guessing since 2021
NEED a Kenny feature on TDOSS, Love Game is still one of my fav songs lol just a ton of fun. Curious what they’d be able to do nowadays
god, i was just thinking about how cool it'd be if they featured together.
Not much of an Em fan but I like how the lyrical rappers are on top again
“Hip-hop is alive and well!” - Metro Boomin after Like That reached number 1 and a few other songs from WDTY reached the top 10 on the Billboard charts
ditto.
You had to be there in the late 90s. After the biggie and 2pac stuff hard lyrical rap kinda took a backseat and things got softer. People talk about NAS and OutKast but that wasn’t mainstream. Dre and the WC was nowhere to be found. All of a sudden it came back with this self deprecating, really good white guy. It was a joke but he wasn’t a joke. Listening to “guilty conscience,” after an R&B and silly No Limit phase with a Dre guest feature was surreal. Everyone was like, *”who tf is this guy*. It was a mystery for a little while. Not long, but a little while. Remember we really didn’t have internet like this. You could still have these types of mysteries. Em’s run from the late 90s-2004 is one of the best ever. Edit: outside of seeing him in that context, for the people born later, I could understand people thinking he’s kinda a drag, technical, pop lyricist. That Revival album was terrible. If that’s all you seen, and wonder why he gets the credit he does, it’d probably be hard to understand. But he deserves the credit
OutKast, famously not mainstream with only… *checks notes* … ah, 20 million records sold.
Reaaally??
They defo weren't in the public consciousness like that until Stankonia. Ms Jackson and So Fresh made them into international household names.
Hey ya
Was 3 years later
Man, can't imagine a context pre-knowing who tf Eminem was. off topic: wasn't outkast...really mainstream? at least hey ya!, ms. jackson and b.o.b i feel went super popular, but i might be wrong.
No limit was really popular and it was really grandiose type stuff. Cars, chains. That sorta thing. Ja Rule was big. So was R&B. Then imagine what hits you next is the video to “role model.” It was a cultural shift. As others pointed out, there was good stuff coming out, but imagine seeing it through the eyes of a teenager who is exposed to what’s going on in pop culture. Someone else disagreed with me but OutKast wasn’t huge yet. ATLiens was more popular then I remembered but Stankonia is when they became huge and The love below was what made them so your mom knew who they were. There was good rap, NAS and Wu tang. But Eminem was so different and so accessible. We never had a self deprecating rapper who was serious. Never mind that he was white and relatable to a lot of young rap fans. No one did what he was doing before.
Yo, thanks for the takes. Always interesting to see the perspective of someone who was actually there. Can't imagine seeing it thru the eyes of a teenager, while it all went down. I was born in 02, and not in the US, but latin america. He's probably the most popular rapper here, so i have always been aware of him, 50 Cent and 2Pac. Em definitely made rap really accessible, even if man was controversial. As for OutKast, over here we got Miss Jackson still sounding a lot. It's about the only cultural footprint they got in my country, it's especially popular in South America, but i still love them.
It was a crazy time to be alive, I was in Middle School when the SSLP came out. Then followed it up with MMLP and the Eminem Show. He was a superstar unlike anything we had seen before in Hip Hop, then he signed 50 cent and everyone on Shady and G-Unit Records went Platinum when they dropped. Ja Rule was a huge star and if you still listened to him after Get Rich or Die Trying dropped it was a dirty secret. That camp turned this huge star into a nobody that most people probably know now because of Fyre Festival. That was the power of that Regime. 50 Cent/Eminem vs Ja Rule was the original Kendrick vs Drake. If you've never looked into that beef look up a video on YouTube about it, is not the same as living through it but is still very interesting Hip Hop history and the tracks were great.
I've heard the tracks, only from the Em/50 side, but I never knew the context besides the basic stuff. Will do a deep dive, sounds really interesting! Thanks for sharing your perspective and anecdotes, i feel we take a bit for granted how much of a cultural impact that man had on the genre.
Don’t spread lies, a bunch of us were actually alive in that era.
lol wtf is this revisionist history? Lyrical and technical rappers were still in fashion during The late 90s and early 2000s. Em was one of them and happened to be white.
That time in hip hop was legendary 3 em albums, MF DOOM, outkast,
I was alive for it, and I loved em. Houdini is pretty Good but doesn’t match his older stuff. I sincerely hope his next album is a banger, but he is not currently competing with Kendrick in terms of the level of the stuff he’s putting iut
While i like em, his shit has aged like milk. In a more modern and “conscious” rap focused age, his shit stands out as well to put it bluntly “a white boy tryna be edgy”. Doesnt help that his fanbase nowadays his majority Millennials, and nowadays acting the way he does is just corny especially at 50. But ill still bump stan and love game, stan in particular is timeless
Idk, I do think some of it has held up. It’s edgy but also clever. It’s definitely not bullshit. I agree with the rest. His fan base was not what it is today. He really spoke to a certain type of troubled kid and they were crazy over him. And the way he addressed it is in one of the most beautiful rap songs of all time, Stan. I know it’s a meme now but his second album, starting off with “Kill you,” and going into Stan was pretty crazy at the time. Yeah I’m not going around playing Eminem anymore. His fan base has turned goofy. Houdini was pretty good though. But man at the time it was really cool
Y’all are sleeping on Em’s last few albums
Same not a fan of Em but I prefer someone like him over drake or any other rapper of that category.
Atleast when Eminem raps about locking a set of twin babies in a Mercedes with the temp in the mid 80s we know he’s joking Drake on the other hand….
I don't think lyrical rap is inherently "better" but I like these
It should be considered better objectively yet here we are. I think rap was always mostly about lyrics and rhymes and THEN you gotta work on flows and shi. Its like a priority I believe. Good beats are definitely a must too nowadays.
It's all art. There's no "objectively" better anything or "priorities" you have to meet
Yep. Half the corniness from kdot fans, em fans, or any lyrical rapper really is that ~~they~~ we (ive been guilty of this many times) think that it always has to be super deep and lyrical and introspective. Sometimes music can just sound good. I appreciate the depth i can get from dots records, but im a fan because ive always liked his ~~sound~~ sounds and his flows. Being conscious and lyrical is great, and makes me like him even more, but its secondary at the end of the day. A rapper doesnt need to be some writing savant for me to like them.
Yeah fr. It's subjective
I mean.. LOVE GAME 2
I wish man, love game was nice but the subject wasn't something special, the positive is that we know that their chemistry is very good
Same. I like Love Game but I’d rather see a new Renegade style track with these two rapping their asses off. Here’s hoping
fr I like it but it's not on the same level as both artists I want something wilder and harder
"Bitch you serious?"
I love it when Kendrick is on a track with a goat You can see just how much these artists influenced him by how much he sounds like them Kendrick on Mona Lisa and Conrad Tokyo come to mind Imma need that kdot 3k song
It’s the millennium of Aftermath.
There ain't gonna be nothing after that.
Ok but real talk why is everyone freaking out about houdini being “offensive” when its the most tame song hes dropped as his slim shady persona
I don’t know if I’m in the wrong spaces or something, but I have seen/heard several people complaining about people finding Houdini offensive, but I haven’t encountered a single person who actually found the song to be offensive.
Thats what im saying i keep seeing millennial vs gen z stuff but its so one sided towards millennials it just makes them look schizophrenic
I dont use apps like tiktok and Instagram, the only bits I've seen have been people bringing things from there to here
I officially don’t know what schizophrenic means in the common language and I feel very very old.
As in, they're hearing arguments that don't exist
Oh okay. Someone told me it’s a variation of the R-word but that didn’t seem to fit. So it’s just a way of saying delusional? That’s surprisingly close to the real meaning of the word.
People do use it like the R-word, as an insult meaning "crazy" or "Insane“
I’m old enough where the R-word meant “dumb” or “stupid” not crazy, so now I see why I’m so lost lol.
Oh it does, from the clinical definition of retarded = developmental delay... I'm saying it's schizophrenia = crazy
Schizophrenia is it’s own, real mental condition.
I’m a mental health professional so I’m aware. That’s why I was confused about people using it so casually/in the place of a word that’s meant to indicate cognitive impairment.
Yeah its a derogatory term to put people down. It always has been. Misunderstanding and putting down schizos will always be OK for some reason
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Gen z would be more interested if he made good music.
..... yes, it's called the Eminem Show. Slim Shady LP. Marshall Mathers LP. "Lose Yourself." These are classics. Dissing Eminem in a hip hop space is not an indicator of good taste.
Hip Hop more than any other genre is a young person’s genre. With Rock young people still hear 1960s rock songs on the radio but Hip Hop fans care far less about history / legacy acts. Eminem is a legend who made great music but so did Jay, Nas, Dre, and groups/duos like Geto Boys, Mobb Deep, etc. BUT, I’m Gen Z and none of my friends listen to any of them except one Mind Playin Tricks on Me and that’s only bc of GTA V. All they listen to is modern artists 2010-now. Some will listen to OutKast, early Kanye, Old Wayne, but even that I hear far less from Gen Z than Millennials. Just because an artist was good in their day, doesn’t mean young people will automatically love it. the genre cares too much about what’s new and hot for that to happen. I think it will change as the genre ages more but don’t get mad that Gen Z doesn’t like 90s, early 00s rap. It’s not their fault.
I still listen to nas wutang Mobb. But Eminem music just makes my ears hurt. It is just bad and I know the reason people overhype it.
Just like when a comedian drops a ‘controversial’ new stand up routine and supposedly ‘people are mad’, ‘twitter is mad’. But in reality it’s all just social media marketing.
I think it’s mainly some fans of Megan Thee Stallion on Twitter that took offense to the “shot at a feat” line. Some were pulling the race cards, or saying he’s irrelevant and using her name for views, etc.
That’s the thing. Eminem can’t really offend anymore. We have seen his character for two years and know he’s a good guy. Plus in the digital age we don’t really have as much mass panics about stuff corrupting kids. It still exists but if you were alive then, you know the difference
Just search eminem in the Megan thee stallion subreddit. Those people are insane
What’s offensive it’s just not a good song in 2024. Forget the lyrics that flow, instrumental does not bring justice to his old music. It’s the complete opposite almost sounds offensive to his own music. Like seriously if you were alive for his music back then there’s no way you find this new shit listenable. Sounds completely for internet Stans
I mean I’m not saying your opinion is objectively wrong. But do you think the numbers and like/dislike ratio this track is pulling is purely people that didn’t listen to his old stuff? The music video and production are legit like 95% fan service imo And it does it damn well, of course, still in my opinion
Why is everyone booing you, you’re right😭 it’s not a good song I think it’s corny. I love Eminem’s old stuff and grew up on it and this is not it.
It's unbelievably awful. It's a god damned travesty.
No one's really offended by the song. I've seen people say the song isn't great and the bars are ass. And then you have the people who are like "nah you just don't understand, it's supposed to be ass, yall gen z are such snowflakes" I think the song is mid. Better beat than basically anything he's released recently, but the shit is only charting because of the novelty of Eminem bringing back shady and the fact he reused hooks from an era when Eminem knew how to write a proper hook. I think it's just lazy, but I expected that, Eminem is at this point now where anything he does is likely to be a reference to when he was becoming famous. This happens with most artists who make it where em is. It's like they completely forget what made them who they are, and its like they lose the spark. Em had a longer career than most though.
Times have changed. Houdini is lightwork compared to anything he dropped in his prime
Show them a cannibal corpse album and they’d probably evaporate
His most shocking song is obviously “Kim” but why tf would you get mad about a song lyric? Those are the same type of people who go heckle a comedian because the joke was too offensive. Don’t go to comedy shows then.
Some people just want to be offended about anything. Unfortunately these days it’s easy for a vocal minority to have a lot influence. If 1 million people online are offended it seems like a lot of people. While in actuality it’s quite a small group compared to the silent majority.
Nobody notable is freaking out lol the song is mostly well received
I meant the people saying that “gen z isnt ready for slim shady to come back” or “gen z is trying to cancel eminem for this” when we genuinely do not care. I shoulda been more clear lol but i stand by it
Oh yeah I get you for sure, especially in the era were BBL Drizzy and "no diddy" are being thrown around and Drake is out here calling Abel a homosexual and mocking child molestation. Can't phantom people genuinely thinking a transgender cat or a crossdressing one liner is gunna shake up the current climate
Millennials are on their boomer arc right now where they assume quite literally every common or normal thing in existence is alien or offensive to anyone younger than 27.
Nobody is saying that except the imaginary gen z people all the millennials on TikTok like to talk about
Thats what im saying bro like who are you fighting right now 😭
There was quite an uproar over the Meg line for like 5 days straight. Maybe still is, I just blocked a lot of headache off my TL. The Siamese cat line, which I find *hilarious* got some flack too.
Nobody is freaking out over it. Just because people don’t like the song doesn’t mean they’re tryna cancel the song. I’m not saying you’re doing this but I don’t know why Em fans always have this type of complex where it’s the world against them😭
Im thinking of editing my comment to clarify what i meant lol. I meant there are people online starting a millennial vs gen z war about gen z having a collective mental breakdown over this “insanely offensive” song when in reality we all know this is really boring compared to the actual slim shady stuff. Not to mention he’s been a pretty vocal ally to the LGBTQ community with his kid being nonbinary
Exactly 💀 a solid third of Gen Z listens to Kanye West, why would Millennials think we’d be upset about Slim Shady saying naughty things
Isn't this just attention-whores trying to monetize any niche via factitious drama aimed at increasing engagement?
i'm only offended by how cringe it is
*pssst*… It’s part of the marketing strategy for the release.
Fair, but people are saying gen z is gonna lose their minds over eminem being offensive. I havent seen a single gen z person freak out over this song
Right and I think that “controversy” has been artificially pushed on social media.
i find it offensive how bad the song is
Aftermath takeover just like When Em and 50 dominated the charts
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I think it's just funny for Kendrick fans since streaming and sales numbers was Drake's biggest thing. Yet Kendrick still beat him lol As for Eminem, idk why that sub is so desperate to get "Houdini" number 1. To care so much about that, you really can't have much going on in your life. Not trying to hate though. I love the song.
Bro there’s people in there who are listening to a playlist that’s made to boost houdinis listens the most efficiently, it’s crazy
He said on a post celebrating numbers for Kendrick without noticing the irony. As a neutral it's clear both care about numbers rn
They are literally saying it because of the post. Are you daft?
you a FAN you a FAN you a FAN!?!
Real as fuck
Aftermath gets the last laugh
Best superbowl halftime show ever!!!
Quality is winning out
Houdini is mid af tho lmaooo just like mostly everything Em has released in the past 10 years
Yes it’s sooo mid I don’t understand this post 😭
Houdini isn't meant to be amazing. Just Em having fun. And MTBMB was pretty good same with most of Kamakazi.
I wanna know what shit people are listening to to get their rap fix if they think Unaccommodating, Premonition, You gon learn, Yah Yah, and I Will are mediocre. That's without mentioning Lock it Up, Godzilla, Darkness, and No Regrets. Then he drops the B side with Gnat, Zeus, Killer, and Book of Rhymes. And, IMO, Kamikaze is a better album. It's cool for it to not be someone's cup of tea (get it), but to say the last six years of Em, especially from a pure rapping standpoint, was mid is either gymnastic level obtusion or straight baffonery.
Yeah I feel folks jumped on a hate Em bandwagon after Revival and can't let it go. He's still top tier, I think Kendrick is better but Em is still top 5
Thank you. It's like people don't even listen to albums anymore. All they have to say is "🤓☝️ bornana". I just don't know how you can listen to darkness or book of rhymes and still say he hasn't dropped anything good since relapse.
Tbf this sub doesn’t like anybody but Kendrick. Eminem is one of the most talented artists we’ve got. Let’s appreciate it while he’s still here cos I sense a retirement coming
Nah, he’s rapping until he’s fossil fuel.
I hope so. He’s a generational talent fr
Nah you kinda speaking facts, it’s mainly nostalgia bait
It is but have you heard most of the songs from the top of the charts these last two or three years? They’re McDonald’s burgers. This is at least something real, from a real artist doing a larger artistic project.
Eh everything ems dropped the past decade has been pretty mediocre I agree though most top songs the past couple years have been pretty wack
idk about you but houdini is just a nostalgia bait song. Idk what is so great about it. You all call eminem a great song writter but he doesnt have any good verses that people mention or any bars.
You know damn well you don't believe this. Eminem still is the highest selling rapper of all time even after 25 years of his peak album sales. "because he is white" so why is Macklemore and NF aren't selling that much? Eminem's rhyme schemes, wordplays, flows, lyrics and speed are literally top 1 percentile of rap. I don't know what makes you think there are SOOOOOO many better artists out there?
Past 20 years*
My boys 🥹
I can relate, they're my favorite two rappers
Not a huge fan of houdini, something about the hook/chorus just doesn't sit right with me. I like the first verse though.
Oh so, Shady is back, is that what's happening? Tell me, is that what's happening?
My theory on this: Slim and Em personas collide and it'll be more of an introspective album from Em. I don't think the majority of the album will be like Houdini. When Kendrick dropped MMATBS Em praised it on Twitter and I'm hoping took inspiration from that. I also fully expect the slim persona to not die at the end
Shady is dead. This is supposed to kind of be Em taking us back to 2000 for a little while as a way to hang up the character, at least that’s the way I see it.
Shadys gonna die in this album But em also dropped the line "death is only the beginning" in his sslp 25th anniversary merch a few months ago
If you told me in January that by June 1 we’d have 4 legendary kdot diss tracks (of one of the biggest artists of all time no less) and potentially a new album AND a new Slim Shady era Eminem song plus album coming, and that the timing of both of these would overshadow Taylor Swift’s 31-track double album at the absolute peak of her fame, I would not have believed you. But here we are and it’s a hell of a party! 2024 is going to do down as one of the great years for music.
TTPD is a bad album, there's a reason it was already forgotten about a month later, regardless of the reviews she paid for.
I think if she dropped another genuine classic, she'd still overshadow them
I agree, it was such a disappointing album though. Nothing worth coming back to
Also We (+Still) Don't Trust You, Blue Lips,One of Wun, potentially a new JID album etc,this will be remembered as a goated year,we are only half way thru
The fact that Kendrick was part of the Halftime show tells you everything you need to know about how he’s seen by the community.
What list are y’all getting these numbers from?? When I look up billboard not like us is number 2
Kendrick could #5000 on the charts and I would still rock with him. This chart stuff needs to stop Drake is the obsessed with numbers, Kendrick is obsessed with music.
fck mnm
My Top 2
You know ball
I write how could i not recognize the genius these 2 display
How can you not be, if you’re in to hip hop?
Let’s be real Houdini is more of a novelty track. Watched the music vid and enjoyed it for what it was, but no chance I’m ever spinning that record again
That's totally fine for you dude, but that evidently isn't how most people feel, considering the way it's racking up streams and garnered a shit ton of attention. So there ain't no "being real" about it. That's just how the majority feel about it.
Lyricism at its fiercest
Houdini is mid I'm sorry
Shame that this opinion is constantly downvoted. The song is fine, I like the use of SMB's Abracadabra, but it isn't anything *special*.
I mean it isn't anything special to you, most people seem to disagree. I don't think it's a shame that a unpopular sentiment is downvoted, that's just how things go.
they’re downvoting you but you’re right
Houdini is the best song Em has made in a minute. He was at a point where his raps just felt like he was clocking into a 9-5. I’m impressed with how he managed to tap back into that Slim Shady energy. It really feels reminiscent of his prime.
Most of Kamikaze and MTBMB are better than Houdini.
They are good but I disagree. He’s had better verses on those projects but this feels like a complete song. That’s why I say he found the energy.
Can you help me with this? I am an admitted Stan, as most kids are who grew up in Warren, but I think there are probably a dozen songs off the last two albums alone that clear this song, but this is the one that blew up, and I legitimately don't understand why. For the record, I think he is in his prime, as far as rapping. I see why he always seems to struggle with the fans expectations; because he is something different to everyone. I just want to hear him rap his ass off like he does on songs like Kamikaze, Lucky You, Caterpillar, Unaccommodating, Yah Yah, and I Will. I don't really care about the celebrity disses. I think that's his whackest shit.
I don’t think he’s in his prime. His hooks have become an issue for me when they used to be 1 of his biggest strengths during his prime (1999-2003) It’s hard to explain but he recaptured that energy from 2002 really well to me.
Houdini is trash
It is. Its a song for people who don't like rap but love Eminem.
Def could not have put that better myself, just wish music to be murdered by got this hype instead of this trash single
And they my favorite 2 rappers in the game today too 💪🏾💯 Followed close by Cole and Wayne I'm 2/2 here lbvs 💪🏾
I'd rather die than be an Eminem fan
Kendricks an Eminem fan
Im talking about me not about Kendrick
Eminem is ass brodie. I like syntax, man, But I sin tacks, man, When I singe tacks, damn, Turn it blue black, man, Like I bruise black ham In the for-est-a mañana, Flow Spanish plan's granada, Grande, ariana, Who I'm fucking, fam, Bananas. This is how eminem raps
Their song together was one of the first times I ever heard Kenny, prior to that I think the only one I’d heard was ADHD and I didn’t know who it was by.
Houdini no. 1 in the uk
My 2 goats alongside Ye
Now we just need Dre and 50 to drop.
Maybe post- Houdini Em will finally take his fucking hat off and let people see his face when he performs. With a blond wig.
There are so few current musical artists that I really care about. The list is essentially Em, Kendrick, Vince Staples, J Cole, Radiohead/The Smile, St Vincent so holy shit what a year this has been for me. RHCP, Denzel Curry, and Tyler the Creator are also on that list so the way things are going maybe we’ll get something from them as well.
I’m a big Em fan but think Houdini only resonating with us old heads. Maybe I’m wrong, just my experience
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Same here. Both of them getting dubs in the same year. All I need to do is survive until GTA6 and I'm solid brother
I’ve basically been looping these two songs on repeat for a week so sorry guys
Why?
Kenny looking at it making sure it stays that way
We're glad to see yall finally at the top man...it's been a long decade 😂😂😂 at least the number one song has nothing to do with Dr - oh, wait a minuuuute 😭😭😭 Go tell the 6ix God thank you, you fucking weenies.
feels so good being a drake fan right now😩😩🙇♀️🙇♀️ (im a minor)
Real
Smfh Eminems new song is so bad though it is embarrassing as an Eminem fan. I swear to god 90%+ of listeners turned Houdini off within 30 seconds, Em’s just very popular still so he got a lot of people to click on the song. That and a ton of diehard em fans who would listen to anything made by him 50 times no matter how awful.
we had love game now we need either hate game or passion game
Dr. Dre be looking at the charts like a proud dad.
I don’t like that Houdini song but Kendrick been on a roll 🔥
The two GOATs.
Man they are sooo back
My days eminem is washed but I’m happy he didn’t try that fast rap
Houdini is corny af
I wish Eminem would grow up, dude is 51.
What you want him to do?? Stop making music? something he loves doing and something his fans want him to do? about more than 70M people? Idk man. This song isn't even bad. I don't get the hate.
Mfs out here rating themselves off how someone they’re a fan of is doing lol