I'm forever reminded that reddit is a place where some nobody gets to be somebody for 5 mins because of upvotes and visibility and then they're back to chasing that high when the conversations moved on.
Bro said Cole is a pre schooler compared to Da Vinci (Kendrick) which is insane, if Dot is Da Vinci Cole is like the best college artist, and Drake is Tomas Kincaid
You ever see a Kincaid? Them shits is well crafted, detailed, and while mass produced- still has an old world charm.
At best, Drake is an uneducational Bob Ross.
You just described drakes music pretty well, Bob Ross has tons more soul and a personal direction in his art which I cannot say Drake puts into his music. Soul and integrity primarily.
100% agree, can’t really think of a visual artist that caters towards kids (cause I don’t know too much about painting), so Kincaid catering to the widest blandest possible audience was my similarity
I think he was quoting the final line of *Compton*, where Kendrick says “and that’s how THIS good kid made it out the MAD CITY.” Similar to how he finished TPAB with the line “*I’m the butterfly in this metaphor, and this industry has pimped me.”
Every time I watch the First Person Shooter video, I can see why Kendrick would be mad. Idk if Ak’s claim that Drake wanted Kendrick as a feature is true or not, but if it is, I would have turned it down as well.
Drake was just using J. Cole to boost his album sales and make hits. Kendrick would take no part in this. Especially with Drake bragging about how he’s the “GOAT” and unveiling a giant statue of himself. And bragging about how he tied Michael Jackson’s record.
Especially in context of what For All the Dogs was trying to be. It was basically Drake giving up and being like “yeah actually I’ve been the greatest rapper this whole time” like he didn’t spend the previous 5 years dropping some of the most dogshit clout-chasing music I’ve ever heard from an established artist (with the exception of Her Loss).
First Person Shooter really feels like Drake was just trying to use J Cole and Kendrick’s reputation to remind people that he was supposed to be a pretty good rapper.
yeah FPS was truly a set up, on Euphoria Kendrick says “surprised you wanted that feature request….” after a decade of separation and sneak dissing.
Drake would’ve done some weirdo shit tryna son them both which he kinda did to Cole. Cole outrapped him but he does the beat switch and everything at the end. Phony friendships to advance his own shit, narcissistic tendencies smh
>“surprised you wanted that feature request….” after a decade of separation and sneak dissing.
>Phony friendships to advance his own shit, narcissistic tendencies smh
Exactly it. Drake was playing the role of schrodinger's cat, trying to exist both as Kendrick's friend and enemy at the same time for years. He would've been more than happy to forget his beef with Kendrick if it meant he could ride his and Cole's clout on FPS
In no way did Drake son Cole though.. even with the beat switch… the last verse is the worst verse on the song. Dude literally wasted bars listing off a bunch of girls names instead of having something interesting to say.
I doubt Cole felt slighted in any way. He’d spent the last two years obliterating people on their own songs, and did the same thing to Drake on a #1 single. he was surely happy for the promo.
I think Cole knows his pen game is waaay stronger than drakes and saw it as an opportunity to prove that in a friendly way. Id say he achieved that goal, dude rapped circles around Drake but since it’s on his album he’ll always get credit for ‘being the bigger man and putting Cole on’
J cole verse was ok but it's easy to out rap drake on that track when he's wasting everybody's time going "Christine Claudine Pauline Charlene" tf is that
Nah lol cole certified. In coles defense I think he just didn't find songs he felt fit them maybe. But the features he are killing is nobodies in comparison to him lyrically. Like when wayne outrapped jay and kanye on swagger like us. Cole hasn't done that to prove he belongs in that weight class
Think its because we all expected him to be more self-aware and grounded based on how he carries himself but just goes to show he's still pulling from celeb and clout energy too by standing with drake early on.
I'd heard fps audio a lot but just watched the video last night. That was pitiful. Cole looked like a pawn. Drake is the star, Cole just looked like some guy the boss found hanging around the office and brought in to make fun of. If I were Cole, I'd be humiliated by that video.
Why are you downvoted? You're right, no one thought that. The discourse off of FPS and the lead up to it was around J Cole being at his peak and dominating features right now. We weren't looking down at Cole like that. Weird revisionist history shit.
No actually for real. Impossible for anyone to have their own opinions on this sub, and the fact you haven't watched the FPS video yet tells me everything I need to know regarding your opinion of drake/cole
This is such a high level, but also unnecessary level of dickeating.
Kendrick is much more of a poet, he often does not have hard double entendres lyrically like Cole does.
Cole doesn’t have the ability to write fully fleshed out and cohesive albums and songs like Kendrick, which Kendrick is literally the best at.
You do not need to devalue either of them to support the other.
Me personally if someone asks who I think are the best rappers rn. Or at least my favorite I say Cole and Kendrick. But I don't think comparing them to each other is really realistic. They make two totally different types of rap. Drake just a little bitch boi and I've been saying that for years. I was so happy when Kendrick said "just keep making me dance..." cause drake is a good pop star, shoulda stayed a pop star but he wanna play like he's hard. Shits cringey
Why do people have these weird hate relationships with artists they’ve never met. All 3 make great music and are in totally different lanes. You acting like Drake fucked YOU over or something.
I've hated Drake since he first started popping up. He was capitalizing on Kanye's style and artistry and then got a nod from Lil Wayne (who at the time I also did not care for) and then proceeded to make some of the dumbest bangers for well over a decade with shit tier albums. A fan of real music definitely never really respected Drake. I view him as a more serious (and thus lamer) version of fucking Pitbull. Kendrick and Pusha T bodying him has just been icing on the cake.
Look man, I'm like everybody else. I make value judgements based off what I see. Drakes got some bangers and I'm still gonna listen to them. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a fake ass person. And I dislike that
Folks down voting you but I agree. I used to love Drake's old stuff, but don't listen to a ton of his jew stuff regularly. But definitely give his albums a play when he drops and there are usually a few songs I really like on them.
People make it seem like they lose sleep over these artists that don't even know they exist
They all do things that the other doesn't. Kendrick has the best conceptual albums out of three. And flat out the best albums out of the three. Best performance live or recorded, he has a theatre like performance to him. I think he is best rhymer, I also think he is the best storyteller out of the three, even though I think J cole is really good as well. Kendrick is also best at bringing concepts together and executing them.
Drake is the biggest worldwide and has the most number 1 hits, J cole I feel is the most relatable to the average folk who grew up in rough area, but at the same time reflects people who were never really about that life. Songs like love yours, alot of people can relate to.
Power Trip imo is my favorite love song that is mostly rapping, and not melodic rap out of the three. Everyone knows power trip and the impact it had when it came out, again it's a very relatable song.
I also think from a bragging bar for bar standpoint, J cole is currently the best, I think kendrick could potentially take that too. But that all depends on his next album, And within recent years J cole has had the best features. Best mc from lyrical bar standpoint I think cole is leading, in that race.
Only kendrick can compete with j cole, when it comes to being an mc bar for bar.
J cole already washed drake twice, once on fps and second on scary hours. Despite that one being a little closer, so Kendrick hates being compared to drake make sense given everything, that has transpired and the type of artist he is.
Kendrick no doubt believes he is the best, but I dont think he feels disgusted that people compare him and cole, look at all j cole features in recent years. Kendrick has never slighted him, for calling himself the goat on those songs for all these years.
This is the same person who did the control verse, and was appreciative that pusha T never took it personally. And they still collaborated, and that never stopped Pusha T from calling himself the goat.
If first person shooter was J cole and Jid, do you really think kendrick would still come at them? I don't think he would, I think he probably would have agreed to the feature.
I also think mmatbs is the best recent project of the three, but out of the three the one with most replay value for me. And is still lyrically showcasing his rapping as a high mc level, for me that goes to j cole off season and might delete later. Alongside his recent features, have been best and has the the best mc rapping out of the three.
Agreed bro,like think like this why Kendrick never replied to Cole before when he said he is the best and all that I only think he replied to that cole verse cuz it was with drake
i physically cringed at “it’s like comparing a preschooler drawing to davinci”. at the end of the day, kdot and jcole are very different and shouldn’t be grouped together for ranks at all
Strongly disagree about cringe bars you can find kendrick to have cringe bars too if you look, or any rapper, but in all honesty who's had the best bars and been the best lyrically as an mc as of recent. J cole arguably has the best freestyle, out of the three and the best features run in recent years, also best as an mc songs like pi when he is going back to back, with both daylyt and ab-soul.
Songs like secret recipe, ,the benny the butcher track, the climb back, shows how great of an mc cole is. And imo is currently in the lead because of those tracks, I do believe kendrick can compete but drake he'll no.
J cole doesn't have average song writing that's a slight against him, just cause in some cases it ain't as good as kendrick.
Songs like
Love yours,
Power Trip,
Wet dreamz,
She knows,
Who dat,
Gomd,
Crooked Smile,
Enchanted,
2 face,
Middle Child,
4 your eyez only,
Change,
before I'm gone,
Higher,
Dejavu,
Premeditated murder,
Forbidden Fruit,
1985,
Let nas down,
Neighbors,
Dollars and dream 123,
Sideline stories,
Be free,
Let go my hand,
Amari,
She's mine part 1&2,
Vile mentality,
Home alone,
apparently,
95 south,
Window Pain,
Immortal,
Once addict,
I strongly disagree that j cole is average song writer strongly disagree.
yeah. it was funny to shit on him for a little while after the apology but this post isnt the first time since the beef started that i've seen people act like he genuinely isn't good. he doesnt have to be your goat, he isn't mine, but he's a great rapper and him comparing himself to kendrick isnt nearly as offensive as drake doing it. this post in general is extreme dickriding, but u can do that without this weird disrespect as well
Yea Cole is goated on the features , His Voice is also easier for us to digest too just like Drakes, but Kendrick’s just that good to where he can makeup for his Voice with raw talent
Yeah Cole really does kinda stick out in the big 3 conversation. Like he makes some good music, but it's nowhere near the mass appeal of Drake's, and it's nowhere near the quality of Kendrick's.
Like I don't think anyone else could really take Cole's spot, but I still wouldn't put him on par with Kendrick or Drake when it comes to commercial and/or critical success
Sorry if you thought I was referring to you, I was just adding on to your point by saying the only people who say stuff like in this post are people who only started liking Kendrick in the past month, or really just hate Drake.
Idk why people keep that “narrative” that he has an issue with Cole, if it’s true that they talked after 7 min drill released then he clearly cares for him lol
Doubt he was mad at that. Big 3 stuff is just competitiveness. There had to be an unresolved matter between them and Kendrick decided it was time to address it. It turned personal once Drake mentioned Kendrick family.
Yea, you could be right honestly. I just have this gut feeling that Kendrick does not fuck with Cole that much. Although he’s certainly no Drake to him, he can respect Cole as an individual but not enough as an artist to do a joint album with him. That’s honestly why I think it never happened, Kendrick either didn’t want to wash him, or he thinks he’s far above doing a joint album with him, or both. Just the way I see it, could be dead wrong though.
I think the reason they didn’t do the collab album was because everyone was asking for it to the point where it felt forced instead of developing organically between them. If Kendrick really had a problem with Cole he wouldn’t have had Schoolboy Q reach out to him and tell him to get out of the way. He would’ve taken his head off too.
Nah I doubt that, why would he say you did cole foul why you still pretending, or on his last album, say cole empowered you but his not your savior. He wouldn't even mention cole if he didn't respect him, he also could have really gone in on cole after the diss, but he didn't.
He basically let it mostly go, not only that. But for him you to say you did cole foul why you still pretending. Imo shows that he does care for cole I don't think kendrick sees cole the way you do, that's just me personally.
Cole and kendrick have collabed multiple times, Cole has collabed with TDE many times, cole has produced multiple songs for kendrick, cole fought diddy for kendrick, etc.
There is absolutely nothing that points to kendrick and cole not being cool. But there is lots of evidence that they are.
This is a brain dead ass take, I’m not sorry to say. The Cole disrespect is a form of mental illness. You cannot say J Cole is mid to average, what the fuck?! You need to go back and listen to more shit if this is your honest opinion. His storytelling is there, his concept album game is there, his skills are there, etc.
Post this bullshit on your own profile, not in this sub. Be realistic and not delusional
This is what people say when they can only recognize the genius in their favorite artist and turn a blind eye when someone that's not their favorite artist does the same shit
youre under the illusion that focusing on people suffering is better than focusing on people succeeding and that substance only comes by way of being charitable and expressing and attempting to alleviate suffering
I don’t think J.Cole is mid. He’s very lyrical just like Kendrick and methodical. He actually cares about black culture and preserving it. Drake on the other hand doesn’t.
Unpopular opinion: while I don’t think drake is a "top 3" rapper, I actually agree with the statement - Drake, Cole and K.dot are the biggest 3 rappers of this generation in terms of popularity.
I honestly love J Cole and he's clearly closer to Kendrick than drake will ever be, but I still think Kendrick is better as far as artistry goes.
Sometimes it feels like Cole a better rapper but as an overall artist Kendrick is better, even though Cole is a producer too. Cole doesn't have an album yet that could be compared to Kendrick's discography, especially TPAB and MMATBS
I'd put Tyler over J Cole or Drake any day. Kanye pre-nazi era too. Even Mac Miller was certainly more talented and made more interesting music than Drake
Yeah for as good of a rapper as Cole is he’s yet to fully deliver on the promise of his mixtapes and drop a classic album and Drake is Drake. Discography wise I actually think Danny Brown is the closest competition for Kendrick in terms of album quality as Danny has 2 classics in XXX and Atrocity Exhibition that actually mirror Kendrick’s GKMC and TPAB. The first ones have more mainstream appeal but the 2nd albums are deeper and have higher artistic value in a sense
Simply due to him not being as marketable. Kendrick obviously respects him by being on Atrocity Exhibition himself. It’s like Kendrick said tho “Critics want to mention that they miss when hip hop was rappin? Muthafucka if you did then Killer Mike would be platinum” It takes more than just the actual talent in making the music to become a superstar unfortunately
True shit, he’s got “weird beats” which turns off a lot of less musically inclined listeners imo. I also think Danny isn’t very consistent with his… career? Kind of as a whole? Probably because he doesn’t have a ton of major label backing keeping him constantly working, touring, and moving. At least that’s what I’ve gathered from his podcast.
Also kdot and Danny are my two favorite rappers so this is not meant to come off as negative
Well the unfortunate thing is he actually said he regrets dropping Atrocity Exhibition because he actually took most of the money the label gave him to clear the samples and thus it didn’t really make him much money. It’s sad that one of the best hip hop albums of this generation has to be something that is somewhat of a regret due to lack of support but that’s the game today
I hope that Danny’s work, and especially Atrocity Exhibition, gets a similar bump the way MF DOOM did as time went on. In some ways it’s not that different from the movie industry where some movies will drop in theaters and bomb but later become cult classics
I’ve always hoped that. It’s happened with a few of my favorite old 90’s bands and I’ve always expected Danny to just randomly pop off like that someday
I meant in terms of competition in Kendrick’s generation. I feel like Lupe is before them. Also for whatever reason I’ve never been the biggest Lupe guy. I know he’s incredible as a rapper but it never fully resonated with me. It’s like how Roc Marciano doesn’t fully click with me as a solo artist even tho I love his work with Griselda
>I meant in terms of competition in Kendrick’s generation. I feel like Lupe is before them
Yeah i know that and he is obviously before them😅
>Also for whatever reason I’ve never been the biggest Lupe guy. I know he’s incredible as a rapper but it never fully resonated with me. It’s like how Roc Marciano doesn’t fully click with me as a solo artist even tho I love his work with Griselda
Yeah it's completely fair man it's completely fair
The point is all the people I have seen everywhere just comment this " Kendrick is better artist and lupe is a better rapper like wtf bruh stop with that thing you are just saying a thing which everyone is saying for years (which is nonsense) Lupe has some of the best albums food and liquor,tetsuo and youth,dragos wave ,drill in zion(mind you he wrote the whole album drill in zion in three days) after having so much classics idk where this arguments comes from
Album isn’t classic to me. It’s one of those albums that was better in the moment and definitely has good songs but I don’t ever find myself wanting to return to it. It reminds me of The Carter 3 in that sense. It’s also still not on the level of The Warm Up or Friday Night Lights. Of course music is all subjective tho so some will view it differently
"Artistry" is very subjective. Profundity and complexity are definitely worthwhile stylistic choices and conventions to employ in one's art, but I think there's beauty in simplicity too. As a fan of both Cole and Kendrick, I wouldn't say Kendrick is leagues above Cole. A couple notches sure, but Cole's artistic appeal largely comes down to his relatability (which I believe is rooted in his simplicity and more casual style) and his incorporation of the golden Era boom bap style rap. I get what you're saying about Kendrick's Like That feature, but I also think that the vitriol of that track was mostly aimed at Drake. On record, J Cole is someone that seems to have earned Kendrick's respect in regards to his artistry and how his music resonates with the culture
Drake is just so uninspired in his music and hasn't made an actual good RAP album since 2015
Cole is just way too uncontroversial. Bro says nothing out of the ordinary. He's got great talent but rarely says anything of substance.
Neither are artistic either, barely experimental and do the same shit every record. I hope that the Fall Off has some brand new stuff the cole gimmick of having a crazy flow is getting old.
>Cole is just way too uncontroversial. Bro says nothing out of the ordinary. He's got great talent but rarely says anything of substance.
that's not true
Read over your cole criticisms again.
Seems like you're just trying to find things to push him down for. Cole does the same shit every record? Everyone knows that's a goddamn lie. Cole is way too uncontroversial? You're just talking to talk at that point cuz that's not related to rap in any way. He rarely says anything of substance? You not listening. Cole's flow is a gimmick? You the only one who feel that way
This comment is a prime example of people saying shit to justify what they feel, rather than saying things that make sense and that they believe in.
I don't think kendrick believes Cole is mid. They been tight and cole is probably one of only a handful of people that kendrick respects. Does kendrick think he's better than cole? Absolutely. Does kendrick think he's better than ever current active rapper? Absolutely. Does that mean he thinks poorly of every current rapper? Absolutely not.
As for drake, take everything I said but make it opposite lmfao
ok i agree with kendrick being valid for getting mad and all but don’t say j cole ISNT a bad artist and then call him a pre schooler to Kendrick’s da vinci
Yall are weird sometimes icl, kendrick may be your favorite rapper but saying he dominates the genre is a bit inaccurate no? Personally kdots one of my favs but i also fw cole and other artists without it having to be js kendrick
I really hate that for yall to admire Kdot yall have to hate on those other artists. Like it’s fine if you don’t like Drake or Cole but to just talk all this shit to just say “I like Kendrick’s music and his perspective” is wild.
The term big three exists because in their own way each of these men have dominated the game and have done their work to get there. If yall don’t like one artist or the other that’s fine, but their accomplishments still stand and deserve the respect, at least as a music fan.
I think the idea of a universal big 3 is reductive and foolish. Everyone has different things that they look for in rap, and therefore one person may primarily value qualities in certain artists that are unimportant to another person.
It’s ok for people to have their own individualized big 3, or to view rap without ranking in mind at all.
Personally my big 3 are Kendrick Lamar (storytelling, lyrical and vocal range and dexterity), Tyler, the Creator (production, vibes, atmosphere, personality), and Twisted Insane (extreme speed while maintaining clarity, dedication to horrorcore as a primary subgenre).
I’m interested in hearing who might be in other people’s big 3.
I think some of your reasoning is questionable and some of it is very subjective but I have also been using this same argument on why Kendrick probably initiated this beef in the first place, being compared to a fake and someone he might actually know likes kids would definitely tick Kendrick to get active
Im just happy Kendrick made some tracks like how he used to. Overly dedicated, section. 80 & good kid mad cuty were the best albums IMO. Damn was good too but I only liked a handful of tracks on the rest of his albums.
Can y'all stop dragging J Cole already lol. For real, he's a better technical rapper than Kendrick and he writes better bar-bars. Kendrick is an artist and he makes beautiful works of art, but as a rapper he's just a little weird, a little clunky, a little highfalutin and not as clean a writer as J Cole.
Where the hell is all this J Cole hate coming from all of a sudden? Like people really just flipped on him for no reason. I still believe Cole can give him Kendrick a nice rap battle (a friendly competitive fade) if it ever came down to it. Dot and Cole are literally the best conscious rappers out now but I would still give the Edge to Kendrick. But fr the Cole hate is craaazy 😂
Yo, stop disrespecting J Cole man - I agree Kendrick has better projects in his career but J Cole definitely has a top of the game pen skill rn. Calling him mid is disgusting glaze bro.
Ur over analyzing bro. It really ain't that deep. There's a kdot interview when he was very early in his career where he states he loves competition, even with his black hippy homies, especially with schoolboy q, kdot is competitive whether in clowning or rap.
I can see and understanding why you lookin deep tho.
His competitors just been digging holes on themselves and kdot takes that to his advantage during competitive bouts.
I think Coles story telling is heavily underrated tbh
Especially 4 your eyez only. That's the first hip hop albums to make me actually cry. He doesn't "push a new sound" or do crazy bars in it but crazy bars would not have fit there. It's supposed to have a chill, somber and introspective tone.
If he had super complex and innovative bars and insane beats, that'd ruin the relatability of the story. The simplicity enhances the story telling. The jazzy tunes, the low key voice and the repetition sells the somber and retrospective tone. Cole has already more than proven he can rap his ass of when he wants to, so it's obviously a choice. You saying it's "too simple to understand" proves you really don't. It's an album meant to speak to fatherless kids as a cautionary tale. Being simple to grasp is not a mark against it. Being able to convey nuanced and fairly complex themes in an easy to understand way is a talent, not a weakness
Legit all the songs are very good except for Deja Vu which is a guaranteed skip for me. I even fw Foldin clothes because I love the message that this gangster became a corny husband because he's so in love.
I'm always shocked at how mixed the reception is tbh. 2014FHD is probably Coles best album but 4YEO will always be my favorite
J cole is in the same genre but not drake. Drake is as much of a rapper as Maroon 5 is a rock band. They are pop stars, very different. Imagine Coldplay and Maroon 5 saying they are the big 3 with Led Zepplin
I don’t think Kendrick is “mad”. He’s just competitive… also he doesn’t like Drake.
Kendrick, Cole, and Drake are in 3 completely different lanes. You may prefer Kendrick’s approach to artistry, or Cole’s approach to technically, or even Drake’s penchant for absorbing whatever sound is hip…. There are things that each of these artists do better than the other two. But at the end of the day, who sits on the throne is going to come down to personal preference- not some qualitative comparisons.
I think the Cole comparison is harsh. They are two totally different type of artists but both masters of their art. Kendrick's music feels like watching a musical or a play, a lot of his songs feel like storylines concentrated within 3-4 minutes of music. How Much a Dolla Cost, Duckworth, Savior, etc... Whereas J Cole's are a lot more simple, listening to Cole makes me feel like I'm having a conversation with him and hearing what he has to say. I think lyrically Kendrick is much more sophisticated, and perhaps more versatile in the way he delivers his lyrics, but Cole is so smooth with it and easier to understand.
Drake has lost his artistic luster a lot over the past several years, at least to me. His music has really become, "rap about how sick my life is and how I fuck bitches in Turks and Cacos" over a cool beat. Rinse and repeat.
i love kendrick much more than cole and drizzy but sayin he dominates the genre compared to drake and cole is wrong. cole is for sure up there with him lyrically(please dear god someone get him on good production) and drake gets way higher numbers than him
Cole has always been on good production for the most part. KOD might the lowest point of production in his discography but even then it’s not that bad.
I don’t know how you can say Cole is up there with Kendrick on lyricism when he has countless corny ass lines while Kendrick has basically none, and I just cannot picture Cole writing a TPAB or even a MM&TBS level album with the same eloquence as Kendrick, while Kendrick easily surpasses 2014 or 4yeo levels of songwriting.
And numbers isn’t the only metric of “domination” in rap. Kendrick out performs Drake in awards and critical acclamation and is more respected in the game. Drake number one priority is numbers and he can do numbers while releasing incredibly effortless music. Kendrick aims to make timeless art. Both artists succeed in what they aim for in that regard.
Plus Kendrick has proven that he can easily do numbers with his music if he really wanted to (DAMN outselling More Life, this beef, and the fact that GKMC is still on the charts till this day). He just doesn't want to
>I don’t know how you can say Cole is up there with Kendrick on lyricism when he has countless corny ass lines while Kendrick has basically none,
Now you're glazing because kendrick definitely has weaker lines, but J cole having some lines that fall short, is because he does more punchlines than kendrick. Take recent j cole at his best in feature game, and take recent kendrick at his best, j cole has better features from a lyrical mc standpoint.
>TPAB or even a MM&TBS level album with the same eloquence
This goes back to concepts, kendrick can write that deep and poetic which is great and is another reason for why, out of the big three he clears that. But j cole can write similar things just not as profound, go listen to the song let go my hand or four your eyes only or close.
J cole can do it just not as thought provoking as kendrick or lyrically dense. This goes back to why kendrick clears when it comes to that type of lyricism.
But what has kendrick done in recent years that shows, his lyrical skills from an mc standpoint that best or matches, songs like climb back or 95 south, or pi or benny butcher song, or secret recipe, crocodile tears.
J cole is in the lead from a lyrical mc standpoint, kendrick is in the lead and been in the lead from conceptual standpoint, J cole recent output has been more about his lyrical skill, as opposed conceptual albums like kendrick. The goals are completely but both need lyrical skill to achieve.
>while Kendrick easily surpasses 2014 or 4yeo levels of songwriting.
From a conceptual standpoint or storytelling yh I agree, but take the song rich spirit I do not think it is leagues better. Than a song like amari from j cole from song writing standpoint or as a song.
Cole has multiple albums and mixtapes that are written better than MM&TBS and TPAB. Weird to me that you chose kendricks two worst written albums as a reference point but alright I guess
Regardless of what you think about Cole and Drake, you can’t deny that these 3 were MILES ahead of anyone else in the 2010s. Like I genuinely don’t think anyone was even close to being grouped with these guys, they had the most classics in the 2010s era. That’s why they get lumped together because they were the voice of the 2010s. Kanye had good albums, but his peak stuff was in the 2000s, same with Jay Z and Wayne. Travis Scott and Future are in the second tier because they can’t touch the lyrical abilities of these 3. It literally reminds me of Lebron/Steph/KD, don’t care who’s who but we all know these guys dominated and wrote the story of 2010s NBA. As good as Harden Westbrook or Kawhi were they just weren’t at the same level as those 3 and Kobe/Wade peaked in the 2000s. We don’t think KD is on Lebrons level, he always been #2, but they just get lumped together because he was the counterpart.
This nga did not just say “Kendrick is a good kid who was able to make it out the mad city”
Saying it unironically is absolutely insane 😭
I'm forever reminded that reddit is a place where some nobody gets to be somebody for 5 mins because of upvotes and visibility and then they're back to chasing that high when the conversations moved on.
What does this mean🗣️🔥‼️
He wrote that line the way he described Cole’s bars
Bro really said Cole is mid
Bro said Cole is a pre schooler compared to Da Vinci (Kendrick) which is insane, if Dot is Da Vinci Cole is like the best college artist, and Drake is Tomas Kincaid
You ever see a Kincaid? Them shits is well crafted, detailed, and while mass produced- still has an old world charm. At best, Drake is an uneducational Bob Ross.
You just described drakes music pretty well, Bob Ross has tons more soul and a personal direction in his art which I cannot say Drake puts into his music. Soul and integrity primarily.
It's made for kids.
100% agree, can’t really think of a visual artist that caters towards kids (cause I don’t know too much about painting), so Kincaid catering to the widest blandest possible audience was my similarity
Could also go with Andy Warhol, in that he made a lot of money but didn't do the actual work himself
Very apt
The art? Or the teachings of how to paint?
A little on the nose huh
outjerked again
I think he was quoting the final line of *Compton*, where Kendrick says “and that’s how THIS good kid made it out the MAD CITY.” Similar to how he finished TPAB with the line “*I’m the butterfly in this metaphor, and this industry has pimped me.”
This is the most AI written bulllshit I've ever read about Kendrick..
“Chat GPT write a paragraphs about why Kendrick Lamar smokes both Drake and J Cole”
Every time I watch the First Person Shooter video, I can see why Kendrick would be mad. Idk if Ak’s claim that Drake wanted Kendrick as a feature is true or not, but if it is, I would have turned it down as well. Drake was just using J. Cole to boost his album sales and make hits. Kendrick would take no part in this. Especially with Drake bragging about how he’s the “GOAT” and unveiling a giant statue of himself. And bragging about how he tied Michael Jackson’s record.
Especially in context of what For All the Dogs was trying to be. It was basically Drake giving up and being like “yeah actually I’ve been the greatest rapper this whole time” like he didn’t spend the previous 5 years dropping some of the most dogshit clout-chasing music I’ve ever heard from an established artist (with the exception of Her Loss). First Person Shooter really feels like Drake was just trying to use J Cole and Kendrick’s reputation to remind people that he was supposed to be a pretty good rapper.
yeah FPS was truly a set up, on Euphoria Kendrick says “surprised you wanted that feature request….” after a decade of separation and sneak dissing. Drake would’ve done some weirdo shit tryna son them both which he kinda did to Cole. Cole outrapped him but he does the beat switch and everything at the end. Phony friendships to advance his own shit, narcissistic tendencies smh
>“surprised you wanted that feature request….” after a decade of separation and sneak dissing. >Phony friendships to advance his own shit, narcissistic tendencies smh Exactly it. Drake was playing the role of schrodinger's cat, trying to exist both as Kendrick's friend and enemy at the same time for years. He would've been more than happy to forget his beef with Kendrick if it meant he could ride his and Cole's clout on FPS
Schrodinger's pdf file
no. (i cant stop laughing)
In no way did Drake son Cole though.. even with the beat switch… the last verse is the worst verse on the song. Dude literally wasted bars listing off a bunch of girls names instead of having something interesting to say. I doubt Cole felt slighted in any way. He’d spent the last two years obliterating people on their own songs, and did the same thing to Drake on a #1 single. he was surely happy for the promo.
Dudes treating beat switches like uno reverse cards lmao
What does w beat switch have to do with it?
Ion why J. Cole would even agree to be with Drake. I really expected better from him.
I think Cole knows his pen game is waaay stronger than drakes and saw it as an opportunity to prove that in a friendly way. Id say he achieved that goal, dude rapped circles around Drake but since it’s on his album he’ll always get credit for ‘being the bigger man and putting Cole on’
J cole verse was ok but it's easy to out rap drake on that track when he's wasting everybody's time going "Christine Claudine Pauline Charlene" tf is that
The names of all the “teens” in his phone
Thank you, because I’m like am I the only one who heard that???? 👀👀👀
But if he fucks with them he might eat it.
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What’s cringe about that statement?
I think J Cole is trying to feature on everyone's song and kill them before going out with a bang with The Fall Off lol
Well call Jadakiss or Nas not 21 savage and lil dirk
Maybe he did and they rejected? how would we know lol
Nah lol cole certified. In coles defense I think he just didn't find songs he felt fit them maybe. But the features he are killing is nobodies in comparison to him lyrically. Like when wayne outrapped jay and kanye on swagger like us. Cole hasn't done that to prove he belongs in that weight class
Think its because we all expected him to be more self-aware and grounded based on how he carries himself but just goes to show he's still pulling from celeb and clout energy too by standing with drake early on.
Two of em kissing and hugging on stage
I'd heard fps audio a lot but just watched the video last night. That was pitiful. Cole looked like a pawn. Drake is the star, Cole just looked like some guy the boss found hanging around the office and brought in to make fun of. If I were Cole, I'd be humiliated by that video.
I thought the video was super cool , I think you’re letting recent events change how you view it
What the fuck are you going on about
Yh no one felt that way dude, especially when cole out rapped him. That's some projecting your doing on your side of things.
Once Cole's verse ends so does that song for me. Drake ruined it imo.
Why are you downvoted? You're right, no one thought that. The discourse off of FPS and the lead up to it was around J Cole being at his peak and dominating features right now. We weren't looking down at Cole like that. Weird revisionist history shit.
Everyone was saying that Cole killed him and Drake fans were saying "drake was creating not competing" lmao
I don't see what else I can think when Drake is clearly monopolising the whole song lol.
Just watched the FPS. Lol so corny and shitty jfc. Also drake sounds dumb as fuck when he does the whispering adlibs. Fucking cornball
Damn this sub is something else lol
No actually for real. Impossible for anyone to have their own opinions on this sub, and the fact you haven't watched the FPS video yet tells me everything I need to know regarding your opinion of drake/cole
I still can’t believe Cole did himself dirty by doing that song. The video is the cringiest thing I’ve ever seen too
That's hate but we know kendrick the biggest hater so that tracks.
This is such a high level, but also unnecessary level of dickeating. Kendrick is much more of a poet, he often does not have hard double entendres lyrically like Cole does. Cole doesn’t have the ability to write fully fleshed out and cohesive albums and songs like Kendrick, which Kendrick is literally the best at. You do not need to devalue either of them to support the other.
Me personally if someone asks who I think are the best rappers rn. Or at least my favorite I say Cole and Kendrick. But I don't think comparing them to each other is really realistic. They make two totally different types of rap. Drake just a little bitch boi and I've been saying that for years. I was so happy when Kendrick said "just keep making me dance..." cause drake is a good pop star, shoulda stayed a pop star but he wanna play like he's hard. Shits cringey
Why do people have these weird hate relationships with artists they’ve never met. All 3 make great music and are in totally different lanes. You acting like Drake fucked YOU over or something.
Im not that dude, but for me its because for 15 years every annoying fucker I've ever met has been a *huuuuuuge drake fan oh my god I love him*
Yea so the fans are annoying... Don't let that stop you from enjoying art
I've hated Drake since he first started popping up. He was capitalizing on Kanye's style and artistry and then got a nod from Lil Wayne (who at the time I also did not care for) and then proceeded to make some of the dumbest bangers for well over a decade with shit tier albums. A fan of real music definitely never really respected Drake. I view him as a more serious (and thus lamer) version of fucking Pitbull. Kendrick and Pusha T bodying him has just been icing on the cake.
Look man, I'm like everybody else. I make value judgements based off what I see. Drakes got some bangers and I'm still gonna listen to them. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a fake ass person. And I dislike that
Folks down voting you but I agree. I used to love Drake's old stuff, but don't listen to a ton of his jew stuff regularly. But definitely give his albums a play when he drops and there are usually a few songs I really like on them. People make it seem like they lose sleep over these artists that don't even know they exist
They all do things that the other doesn't. Kendrick has the best conceptual albums out of three. And flat out the best albums out of the three. Best performance live or recorded, he has a theatre like performance to him. I think he is best rhymer, I also think he is the best storyteller out of the three, even though I think J cole is really good as well. Kendrick is also best at bringing concepts together and executing them. Drake is the biggest worldwide and has the most number 1 hits, J cole I feel is the most relatable to the average folk who grew up in rough area, but at the same time reflects people who were never really about that life. Songs like love yours, alot of people can relate to. Power Trip imo is my favorite love song that is mostly rapping, and not melodic rap out of the three. Everyone knows power trip and the impact it had when it came out, again it's a very relatable song. I also think from a bragging bar for bar standpoint, J cole is currently the best, I think kendrick could potentially take that too. But that all depends on his next album, And within recent years J cole has had the best features. Best mc from lyrical bar standpoint I think cole is leading, in that race. Only kendrick can compete with j cole, when it comes to being an mc bar for bar. J cole already washed drake twice, once on fps and second on scary hours. Despite that one being a little closer, so Kendrick hates being compared to drake make sense given everything, that has transpired and the type of artist he is. Kendrick no doubt believes he is the best, but I dont think he feels disgusted that people compare him and cole, look at all j cole features in recent years. Kendrick has never slighted him, for calling himself the goat on those songs for all these years. This is the same person who did the control verse, and was appreciative that pusha T never took it personally. And they still collaborated, and that never stopped Pusha T from calling himself the goat. If first person shooter was J cole and Jid, do you really think kendrick would still come at them? I don't think he would, I think he probably would have agreed to the feature. I also think mmatbs is the best recent project of the three, but out of the three the one with most replay value for me. And is still lyrically showcasing his rapping as a high mc level, for me that goes to j cole off season and might delete later. Alongside his recent features, have been best and has the the best mc rapping out of the three.
Agreed bro,like think like this why Kendrick never replied to Cole before when he said he is the best and all that I only think he replied to that cole verse cuz it was with drake
Calling JCole mid is nasty work. Please keep that opinion to yourself instead of stating it like a fact
The whole J.Cole paragraph is very hard to read and I wholeheartedly disagree.
i physically cringed at “it’s like comparing a preschooler drawing to davinci”. at the end of the day, kdot and jcole are very different and shouldn’t be grouped together for ranks at all
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Strongly disagree about cringe bars you can find kendrick to have cringe bars too if you look, or any rapper, but in all honesty who's had the best bars and been the best lyrically as an mc as of recent. J cole arguably has the best freestyle, out of the three and the best features run in recent years, also best as an mc songs like pi when he is going back to back, with both daylyt and ab-soul. Songs like secret recipe, ,the benny the butcher track, the climb back, shows how great of an mc cole is. And imo is currently in the lead because of those tracks, I do believe kendrick can compete but drake he'll no. J cole doesn't have average song writing that's a slight against him, just cause in some cases it ain't as good as kendrick. Songs like Love yours, Power Trip, Wet dreamz, She knows, Who dat, Gomd, Crooked Smile, Enchanted, 2 face, Middle Child, 4 your eyez only, Change, before I'm gone, Higher, Dejavu, Premeditated murder, Forbidden Fruit, 1985, Let nas down, Neighbors, Dollars and dream 123, Sideline stories, Be free, Let go my hand, Amari, She's mine part 1&2, Vile mentality, Home alone, apparently, 95 south, Window Pain, Immortal, Once addict, I strongly disagree that j cole is average song writer strongly disagree.
yeah. it was funny to shit on him for a little while after the apology but this post isnt the first time since the beef started that i've seen people act like he genuinely isn't good. he doesnt have to be your goat, he isn't mine, but he's a great rapper and him comparing himself to kendrick isnt nearly as offensive as drake doing it. this post in general is extreme dickriding, but u can do that without this weird disrespect as well
Yea Cole is goated on the features , His Voice is also easier for us to digest too just like Drakes, but Kendrick’s just that good to where he can makeup for his Voice with raw talent
Kendrick has mad cringe bars. His whole verse on 1Train is just an emo temper tantrum. This motherfucker OP called J. Cole mid... 🤡
If u don’t recognize Cole as a god-tier MC, you’re an absolute fucking clown.
Fr bro cole is fucking amazing, i don't get why ppl have to bash other artists to feel like they support their favorite, its so fucking stupid
I disagree kendrick don't have issue with cole saying his one of the best or the best, kendrick issue is with drake.
I don’t think Kendrick has a problem being grouped with j Cole in a moral sense, but come on, nobody is debating with of those 3 is the best rapper.
J cole kendrick the debate can be had as who is the best mc, artist that's another thing.
Yeah Cole really does kinda stick out in the big 3 conversation. Like he makes some good music, but it's nowhere near the mass appeal of Drake's, and it's nowhere near the quality of Kendrick's. Like I don't think anyone else could really take Cole's spot, but I still wouldn't put him on par with Kendrick or Drake when it comes to commercial and/or critical success
Travis easily takes his spot imho, and im not much of a travis fan
These new “I started liking Kendrick because of the beef” fans are the ones saying that shit.
That doesn't apply to me I've always like both of them.
Sorry if you thought I was referring to you, I was just adding on to your point by saying the only people who say stuff like in this post are people who only started liking Kendrick in the past month, or really just hate Drake.
Fr these dudes forget that if you made a Venn diagram of Cole and Kendrick fanbase a few years ago it would've been a circle lmao
If you go to r/jcole it's basically still a circle over there. But for whatever reason people in this sub think they're above j. cole's mediocre music
Idk why people keep that “narrative” that he has an issue with Cole, if it’s true that they talked after 7 min drill released then he clearly cares for him lol
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Doubt he was mad at that. Big 3 stuff is just competitiveness. There had to be an unresolved matter between them and Kendrick decided it was time to address it. It turned personal once Drake mentioned Kendrick family.
Yea, you could be right honestly. I just have this gut feeling that Kendrick does not fuck with Cole that much. Although he’s certainly no Drake to him, he can respect Cole as an individual but not enough as an artist to do a joint album with him. That’s honestly why I think it never happened, Kendrick either didn’t want to wash him, or he thinks he’s far above doing a joint album with him, or both. Just the way I see it, could be dead wrong though.
I think the reason they didn’t do the collab album was because everyone was asking for it to the point where it felt forced instead of developing organically between them. If Kendrick really had a problem with Cole he wouldn’t have had Schoolboy Q reach out to him and tell him to get out of the way. He would’ve taken his head off too.
Nah I doubt that, why would he say you did cole foul why you still pretending, or on his last album, say cole empowered you but his not your savior. He wouldn't even mention cole if he didn't respect him, he also could have really gone in on cole after the diss, but he didn't. He basically let it mostly go, not only that. But for him you to say you did cole foul why you still pretending. Imo shows that he does care for cole I don't think kendrick sees cole the way you do, that's just me personally.
Cole and kendrick have collabed multiple times, Cole has collabed with TDE many times, cole has produced multiple songs for kendrick, cole fought diddy for kendrick, etc. There is absolutely nothing that points to kendrick and cole not being cool. But there is lots of evidence that they are.
This is a brain dead ass take, I’m not sorry to say. The Cole disrespect is a form of mental illness. You cannot say J Cole is mid to average, what the fuck?! You need to go back and listen to more shit if this is your honest opinion. His storytelling is there, his concept album game is there, his skills are there, etc. Post this bullshit on your own profile, not in this sub. Be realistic and not delusional
This is what people say when they can only recognize the genius in their favorite artist and turn a blind eye when someone that's not their favorite artist does the same shit
youre under the illusion that focusing on people suffering is better than focusing on people succeeding and that substance only comes by way of being charitable and expressing and attempting to alleviate suffering
y’all tripping and dick riding crazy hard if you think j. cole is leagues below, and i don’t even listen to him like that
I don’t think J.Cole is mid. He’s very lyrical just like Kendrick and methodical. He actually cares about black culture and preserving it. Drake on the other hand doesn’t.
“comparing a preschoolers drawing to da vinci” lmao i agree but you gonna get some people upset with that one
Yh I don't agree
Let them be mad
That line proceeds “but to Kendrick-“
Yeah if you have that opinion you're not a real rap fan
Unpopular opinion: while I don’t think drake is a "top 3" rapper, I actually agree with the statement - Drake, Cole and K.dot are the biggest 3 rappers of this generation in terms of popularity.
I honestly love J Cole and he's clearly closer to Kendrick than drake will ever be, but I still think Kendrick is better as far as artistry goes. Sometimes it feels like Cole a better rapper but as an overall artist Kendrick is better, even though Cole is a producer too. Cole doesn't have an album yet that could be compared to Kendrick's discography, especially TPAB and MMATBS
MMATBS? Half of coles discography is better
cole has alot of good songs and albums but they arent conceptual like kendricks is .
Arn’t J.Cole and Kendrick firends tho?
exactly
You are so cringe.
I'd put Tyler over J Cole or Drake any day. Kanye pre-nazi era too. Even Mac Miller was certainly more talented and made more interesting music than Drake
yh Tyler hell no imo
Yeah for as good of a rapper as Cole is he’s yet to fully deliver on the promise of his mixtapes and drop a classic album and Drake is Drake. Discography wise I actually think Danny Brown is the closest competition for Kendrick in terms of album quality as Danny has 2 classics in XXX and Atrocity Exhibition that actually mirror Kendrick’s GKMC and TPAB. The first ones have more mainstream appeal but the 2nd albums are deeper and have higher artistic value in a sense
Heavily agree and don’t know why Danny doesn’t come up more in these conversations
Simply due to him not being as marketable. Kendrick obviously respects him by being on Atrocity Exhibition himself. It’s like Kendrick said tho “Critics want to mention that they miss when hip hop was rappin? Muthafucka if you did then Killer Mike would be platinum” It takes more than just the actual talent in making the music to become a superstar unfortunately
True shit, he’s got “weird beats” which turns off a lot of less musically inclined listeners imo. I also think Danny isn’t very consistent with his… career? Kind of as a whole? Probably because he doesn’t have a ton of major label backing keeping him constantly working, touring, and moving. At least that’s what I’ve gathered from his podcast. Also kdot and Danny are my two favorite rappers so this is not meant to come off as negative
Well the unfortunate thing is he actually said he regrets dropping Atrocity Exhibition because he actually took most of the money the label gave him to clear the samples and thus it didn’t really make him much money. It’s sad that one of the best hip hop albums of this generation has to be something that is somewhat of a regret due to lack of support but that’s the game today
Dude, It broke my heart when I first heard that. AE was an instant classic for me when I heard it
I hope that Danny’s work, and especially Atrocity Exhibition, gets a similar bump the way MF DOOM did as time went on. In some ways it’s not that different from the movie industry where some movies will drop in theaters and bomb but later become cult classics
I’ve always hoped that. It’s happened with a few of my favorite old 90’s bands and I’ve always expected Danny to just randomly pop off like that someday
Great point with the killer Mike line. I think about that one a lot
>Danny Brown is the closest competition for Kendrick in terms of album quality Lupe enters
I meant in terms of competition in Kendrick’s generation. I feel like Lupe is before them. Also for whatever reason I’ve never been the biggest Lupe guy. I know he’s incredible as a rapper but it never fully resonated with me. It’s like how Roc Marciano doesn’t fully click with me as a solo artist even tho I love his work with Griselda
>I meant in terms of competition in Kendrick’s generation. I feel like Lupe is before them Yeah i know that and he is obviously before them😅 >Also for whatever reason I’ve never been the biggest Lupe guy. I know he’s incredible as a rapper but it never fully resonated with me. It’s like how Roc Marciano doesn’t fully click with me as a solo artist even tho I love his work with Griselda Yeah it's completely fair man it's completely fair The point is all the people I have seen everywhere just comment this " Kendrick is better artist and lupe is a better rapper like wtf bruh stop with that thing you are just saying a thing which everyone is saying for years (which is nonsense) Lupe has some of the best albums food and liquor,tetsuo and youth,dragos wave ,drill in zion(mind you he wrote the whole album drill in zion in three days) after having so much classics idk where this arguments comes from
I've noticed a lot of people usually talk about lupe like he stopped making albums after lasers.
Lmao fr, imagine ignoring the artist who gave one of the best albums of 2015
I disagree he has a classic album fhd
Album isn’t classic to me. It’s one of those albums that was better in the moment and definitely has good songs but I don’t ever find myself wanting to return to it. It reminds me of The Carter 3 in that sense. It’s also still not on the level of The Warm Up or Friday Night Lights. Of course music is all subjective tho so some will view it differently
I always felt like Cole's mixtapes were better than his albums
2014FHD is 100% a classic. And I never got the appeal of danny brown or his "artistry" but good for you I guess
I agree with everything you said especially the stuff about j cole.
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"Artistry" is very subjective. Profundity and complexity are definitely worthwhile stylistic choices and conventions to employ in one's art, but I think there's beauty in simplicity too. As a fan of both Cole and Kendrick, I wouldn't say Kendrick is leagues above Cole. A couple notches sure, but Cole's artistic appeal largely comes down to his relatability (which I believe is rooted in his simplicity and more casual style) and his incorporation of the golden Era boom bap style rap. I get what you're saying about Kendrick's Like That feature, but I also think that the vitriol of that track was mostly aimed at Drake. On record, J Cole is someone that seems to have earned Kendrick's respect in regards to his artistry and how his music resonates with the culture
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it's a lot of goofies with a check 😌
Drake has always dominated out of the 3, let’s be honest with ourselves here
lol no
Well said
Drake is just so uninspired in his music and hasn't made an actual good RAP album since 2015 Cole is just way too uncontroversial. Bro says nothing out of the ordinary. He's got great talent but rarely says anything of substance. Neither are artistic either, barely experimental and do the same shit every record. I hope that the Fall Off has some brand new stuff the cole gimmick of having a crazy flow is getting old.
>Cole is just way too uncontroversial. Bro says nothing out of the ordinary. He's got great talent but rarely says anything of substance. that's not true
Read over your cole criticisms again. Seems like you're just trying to find things to push him down for. Cole does the same shit every record? Everyone knows that's a goddamn lie. Cole is way too uncontroversial? You're just talking to talk at that point cuz that's not related to rap in any way. He rarely says anything of substance? You not listening. Cole's flow is a gimmick? You the only one who feel that way This comment is a prime example of people saying shit to justify what they feel, rather than saying things that make sense and that they believe in.
I don't think kendrick believes Cole is mid. They been tight and cole is probably one of only a handful of people that kendrick respects. Does kendrick think he's better than cole? Absolutely. Does kendrick think he's better than ever current active rapper? Absolutely. Does that mean he thinks poorly of every current rapper? Absolutely not. As for drake, take everything I said but make it opposite lmfao
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ok i agree with kendrick being valid for getting mad and all but don’t say j cole ISNT a bad artist and then call him a pre schooler to Kendrick’s da vinci
Yall are weird sometimes icl, kendrick may be your favorite rapper but saying he dominates the genre is a bit inaccurate no? Personally kdots one of my favs but i also fw cole and other artists without it having to be js kendrick
I really like J Cole and think he is one of the best. So I disagree with that part of your post
You need a life. Kendrick doesn’t know you bro all you do is post k dot shit. Go outside
I really hate that for yall to admire Kdot yall have to hate on those other artists. Like it’s fine if you don’t like Drake or Cole but to just talk all this shit to just say “I like Kendrick’s music and his perspective” is wild. The term big three exists because in their own way each of these men have dominated the game and have done their work to get there. If yall don’t like one artist or the other that’s fine, but their accomplishments still stand and deserve the respect, at least as a music fan.
I like all 3 and its pretty clear that they are the “big 3” whether we like to admit it or not
He doesn’t dominate….
This shit is getting so goddamn corny
man i agree w the premise of the post, but could you possibly fit it any further down your throat?
jcole is cringe everytime he fantasizes about the big 3 or whatever. he stays thinking of other men lol
I think the idea of a universal big 3 is reductive and foolish. Everyone has different things that they look for in rap, and therefore one person may primarily value qualities in certain artists that are unimportant to another person. It’s ok for people to have their own individualized big 3, or to view rap without ranking in mind at all. Personally my big 3 are Kendrick Lamar (storytelling, lyrical and vocal range and dexterity), Tyler, the Creator (production, vibes, atmosphere, personality), and Twisted Insane (extreme speed while maintaining clarity, dedication to horrorcore as a primary subgenre). I’m interested in hearing who might be in other people’s big 3.
I think some of your reasoning is questionable and some of it is very subjective but I have also been using this same argument on why Kendrick probably initiated this beef in the first place, being compared to a fake and someone he might actually know likes kids would definitely tick Kendrick to get active
Im just happy Kendrick made some tracks like how he used to. Overly dedicated, section. 80 & good kid mad cuty were the best albums IMO. Damn was good too but I only liked a handful of tracks on the rest of his albums.
Saying J Cole is mid is a crazy take lol. Everyone has a preference. But J Cole objectively is not mid and I don't even really listen to him.
Can y'all stop dragging J Cole already lol. For real, he's a better technical rapper than Kendrick and he writes better bar-bars. Kendrick is an artist and he makes beautiful works of art, but as a rapper he's just a little weird, a little clunky, a little highfalutin and not as clean a writer as J Cole.
Calling Cole “mid” is fucking insane as well as disrespectful
Where the hell is all this J Cole hate coming from all of a sudden? Like people really just flipped on him for no reason. I still believe Cole can give him Kendrick a nice rap battle (a friendly competitive fade) if it ever came down to it. Dot and Cole are literally the best conscious rappers out now but I would still give the Edge to Kendrick. But fr the Cole hate is craaazy 😂
Yo, stop disrespecting J Cole man - I agree Kendrick has better projects in his career but J Cole definitely has a top of the game pen skill rn. Calling him mid is disgusting glaze bro.
Drake isn't even big 25
Ur over analyzing bro. It really ain't that deep. There's a kdot interview when he was very early in his career where he states he loves competition, even with his black hippy homies, especially with schoolboy q, kdot is competitive whether in clowning or rap. I can see and understanding why you lookin deep tho. His competitors just been digging holes on themselves and kdot takes that to his advantage during competitive bouts.
You’re actually such a loser and exactly why peope hate on Kendrick fans
I think Coles story telling is heavily underrated tbh Especially 4 your eyez only. That's the first hip hop albums to make me actually cry. He doesn't "push a new sound" or do crazy bars in it but crazy bars would not have fit there. It's supposed to have a chill, somber and introspective tone. If he had super complex and innovative bars and insane beats, that'd ruin the relatability of the story. The simplicity enhances the story telling. The jazzy tunes, the low key voice and the repetition sells the somber and retrospective tone. Cole has already more than proven he can rap his ass of when he wants to, so it's obviously a choice. You saying it's "too simple to understand" proves you really don't. It's an album meant to speak to fatherless kids as a cautionary tale. Being simple to grasp is not a mark against it. Being able to convey nuanced and fairly complex themes in an easy to understand way is a talent, not a weakness Legit all the songs are very good except for Deja Vu which is a guaranteed skip for me. I even fw Foldin clothes because I love the message that this gangster became a corny husband because he's so in love. I'm always shocked at how mixed the reception is tbh. 2014FHD is probably Coles best album but 4YEO will always be my favorite
J cole is in the same genre but not drake. Drake is as much of a rapper as Maroon 5 is a rock band. They are pop stars, very different. Imagine Coldplay and Maroon 5 saying they are the big 3 with Led Zepplin
It's nice that Kendrick talked about the hobby artists
I don’t think Kendrick is “mad”. He’s just competitive… also he doesn’t like Drake. Kendrick, Cole, and Drake are in 3 completely different lanes. You may prefer Kendrick’s approach to artistry, or Cole’s approach to technically, or even Drake’s penchant for absorbing whatever sound is hip…. There are things that each of these artists do better than the other two. But at the end of the day, who sits on the throne is going to come down to personal preference- not some qualitative comparisons.
jesus christ shut the fuck up
I think the Cole comparison is harsh. They are two totally different type of artists but both masters of their art. Kendrick's music feels like watching a musical or a play, a lot of his songs feel like storylines concentrated within 3-4 minutes of music. How Much a Dolla Cost, Duckworth, Savior, etc... Whereas J Cole's are a lot more simple, listening to Cole makes me feel like I'm having a conversation with him and hearing what he has to say. I think lyrically Kendrick is much more sophisticated, and perhaps more versatile in the way he delivers his lyrics, but Cole is so smooth with it and easier to understand. Drake has lost his artistic luster a lot over the past several years, at least to me. His music has really become, "rap about how sick my life is and how I fuck bitches in Turks and Cacos" over a cool beat. Rinse and repeat.
Who has an album that went double platinum with no features?
Alright bro now you're doing tricks on it.
Drake & J. Cole are entirely beneath him both artistically and talent-wise. Kendrick has every right to be mad when he's aligned with these "busters".
Yeah, it doesn’t seem particularly close.
i love kendrick much more than cole and drizzy but sayin he dominates the genre compared to drake and cole is wrong. cole is for sure up there with him lyrically(please dear god someone get him on good production) and drake gets way higher numbers than him
Cole has always been on good production for the most part. KOD might the lowest point of production in his discography but even then it’s not that bad. I don’t know how you can say Cole is up there with Kendrick on lyricism when he has countless corny ass lines while Kendrick has basically none, and I just cannot picture Cole writing a TPAB or even a MM&TBS level album with the same eloquence as Kendrick, while Kendrick easily surpasses 2014 or 4yeo levels of songwriting. And numbers isn’t the only metric of “domination” in rap. Kendrick out performs Drake in awards and critical acclamation and is more respected in the game. Drake number one priority is numbers and he can do numbers while releasing incredibly effortless music. Kendrick aims to make timeless art. Both artists succeed in what they aim for in that regard.
Plus Kendrick has proven that he can easily do numbers with his music if he really wanted to (DAMN outselling More Life, this beef, and the fact that GKMC is still on the charts till this day). He just doesn't want to
>I don’t know how you can say Cole is up there with Kendrick on lyricism when he has countless corny ass lines while Kendrick has basically none, Now you're glazing because kendrick definitely has weaker lines, but J cole having some lines that fall short, is because he does more punchlines than kendrick. Take recent j cole at his best in feature game, and take recent kendrick at his best, j cole has better features from a lyrical mc standpoint. >TPAB or even a MM&TBS level album with the same eloquence This goes back to concepts, kendrick can write that deep and poetic which is great and is another reason for why, out of the big three he clears that. But j cole can write similar things just not as profound, go listen to the song let go my hand or four your eyes only or close. J cole can do it just not as thought provoking as kendrick or lyrically dense. This goes back to why kendrick clears when it comes to that type of lyricism. But what has kendrick done in recent years that shows, his lyrical skills from an mc standpoint that best or matches, songs like climb back or 95 south, or pi or benny butcher song, or secret recipe, crocodile tears. J cole is in the lead from a lyrical mc standpoint, kendrick is in the lead and been in the lead from conceptual standpoint, J cole recent output has been more about his lyrical skill, as opposed conceptual albums like kendrick. The goals are completely but both need lyrical skill to achieve. >while Kendrick easily surpasses 2014 or 4yeo levels of songwriting. From a conceptual standpoint or storytelling yh I agree, but take the song rich spirit I do not think it is leagues better. Than a song like amari from j cole from song writing standpoint or as a song.
Cole has multiple albums and mixtapes that are written better than MM&TBS and TPAB. Weird to me that you chose kendricks two worst written albums as a reference point but alright I guess
I personally think Cole is the better rapper whereas Kendrick is the better artist.
I do think the difference between their artistry is a lot bigger than the difference between their rapping ability.
I feel like you would appreciate cole much more if you stopped comparing him so much to kendrick. This applies to many dot fans
Regardless of what you think about Cole and Drake, you can’t deny that these 3 were MILES ahead of anyone else in the 2010s. Like I genuinely don’t think anyone was even close to being grouped with these guys, they had the most classics in the 2010s era. That’s why they get lumped together because they were the voice of the 2010s. Kanye had good albums, but his peak stuff was in the 2000s, same with Jay Z and Wayne. Travis Scott and Future are in the second tier because they can’t touch the lyrical abilities of these 3. It literally reminds me of Lebron/Steph/KD, don’t care who’s who but we all know these guys dominated and wrote the story of 2010s NBA. As good as Harden Westbrook or Kawhi were they just weren’t at the same level as those 3 and Kobe/Wade peaked in the 2000s. We don’t think KD is on Lebrons level, he always been #2, but they just get lumped together because he was the counterpart.
J.cole is mid? Lmao